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Ninja Theory "Did Pursue" Heavenly Sword Sequel

Warning: Massive Heavenly Sword plot spoiler ahead!!!

Many of us had hoped for a sequel to 2007's excellent Heavenly Sword. And although developer Ninja Theory has now "moved on," they did have plans to make HS2 at one point.

In fact, according to VG247, Ninja Theory boss Tameem Antoniades said initially, he had an idea of having Nariko in Hell and her pal Kai on Earth. Basically, the spirit of the sword would have trapped the technically deceased Nariko in Hell, where she would undoubtedly have to battle all sorts of nastiness. Furthermore, Kai would've been playable back on the surface, and she'd try to rescue her friend. An interesting twist was that one day in Hell for Nariko would be an entire year for Kai on Earth, so Kai would actually age; she'd go from a young teenage girl to an old woman during the course of the adventure. ...sounds interesting.

And that's cool and all, but that idea has long since passed. Antoniades says that while he'll "never say never," they working on developing DLC for the recently released Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, which will tell a side-story separate from the tale that revolves around Monkey and Trip. The team is also working on the Devil May Cry reboot. For the record, here's Antoniades' comment concerning a HS2 sequel:

"We did actually want to do a sequel, and we did pursue that, but we're not a first party studio, we're a third party studio, and we knew that over the next few years we've got to be releasing multi-platform games. The game Heavenly Sword didn't sell enough to have a confident sequel, so it would have put ourselves as a development studio in a very precarious situation."

1.5 million wasn't enough, apparently. But we've heard all that before and it's true, they're not a first-party studio. They're not supported by Sony. So, like most every other studio in this crazy game, they need to go multi in order to make enough money. Hence, Enslaved, DMC, etc. But maybe that's a good thing. Did anyone really want to see HS2 go multi with the Unreal Engine...?  Not HS fans, I bet.

Related Game(s): Heavenly Sword

Tags: heavenly sword, ninja theory, enslaved heavenly sword sequel

10/5/2010 10:48:13 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (79 posts)

NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:06:29 AM
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I'm sure a lot of devs would have been ecstatic to sell 1.5 million copies of a new ip on a new console back then.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:33:30 AM

Indeed. But then again, they sure sound like a Microsoft puppet developer..

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:14:57 PM

If they would have just said "Look guys, we like money so we are going multi-plat" instead of blaming sales then they'd get a lot more respect.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:43:13 PM

Truth.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:08:36 PM

this is why i refuse to support enslaved.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:20:18 PM

I'm against slavery in general. And c'mon, how racist is it to name the slave "Monkey"?

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Kevadu
Wednesday, October 06, 2010 @ 2:20:19 AM

How is that racist? I've never heard 'monkey' used as a racial slur...we're all monkeys, after all. Unless you mean it's speci-ist.

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pillz81
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:55:52 PM

Actually, it is not racist. The game and, hence, the Monkey character is based on the classic tale of the Monkey King in Journey to the West. That is why he has a "tail", a staff and a floating mode of transportation.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:11:10 AM
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I'm getting more and more pissed off at Ninja Theory lately.........

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GuardianMode
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:23:59 AM

Agreed. I am beginning to dislike this studio.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:35:12 AM

I actually don't mind anything they do up until I found out that new "Dante" bears resemblance to Antoniades.........

And I'm gonna say it here and now, that hair-style is gay.

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Nlayer
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:39:36 AM

They had potential too. Now they are just an average company that has nothing too special to offer. :(

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:32:22 PM

His hair reminds me of one of the emo kids on South Park, lol.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 6:23:47 PM

£ worlds u get double points for mentioning south park, the one with vamps isn't it

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eLLeJuss
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:29:10 PM

LoL yeah. They messin with dante now. Maybe if they made HS2 they'd make narico look like the main designer of ninja theory too. lolol

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:32:44 AM
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I for one am glad they didn't, because it opens the door for Santa Monica Studios or another PS3 exclusive development house.

So hey Ninja Theory, have fun with 360 crowd...whatever that nets you anyways.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:48:51 AM

More like it's a good thing Sony owned HS, if not, Ninja Theory will be confirming the theory of making an inferior product with multiplat.

No wait.......

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:23:19 PM

dude u just read my mind, just give it to Santa Monica and let them go crazy with it

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:11:38 PM

can you imagine how smooth the gameplay would be if santa monica tocuhed HS? wishful thinking

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:37:04 AM
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How can 1.5 million be a failure?
Was HS a massive budget game like GOWIII, RDR or GT5?
HS was top-notch indeed but in no way it's a game that needs to sell 5 million copies to break even.

And I recently checked on DMC's number, apparently each DMC never sold 3 million copies.
So I think that Capcom's reason to reboot DMC because DMC4 only sold 2 million+ is just an excuse westernize it.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:57:19 AM

It's easy for us to judge them from the outside but keep in mind they're just 3rd party developer so they don't have that financial support or stability as a 1st party developers would & it take helluva lot of money to make those games. But then again maybe Ninja Theory just had to high expectations for HS, maybe they were hoping that it would sell in the whole lot more then it did which is pretty obvious.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:27:57 PM

I don't know the exact figure but I think HS did cost a hefty load of money. The game had the best lip-syncing I have ever seen in a game so far, and the graphics were superb for a new platform

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:30:15 PM

TEG is correct, the only reason I half-forgive them for being upset about a great sales figure on an ailing concole release is that HS was apparently massively over budget.

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laxpro2001
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:50:32 AM
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There is always potential for the future for Heavenly Sword 2 I guess. That concept sounded pretty cool, and I would have liked to see it done. Here's hoping they serve fans further down the line.

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Troy Powers
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:02:54 PM
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I dunno. Nariko...in hell? As if the first game wasn't close enough to God of War.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:33:53 PM

Nariko's Inferno :)

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Drake88
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:13:32 PM
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that would have been very interesting only if they had continue to make it... on ps3... and sold out. But hey like ben said they needed to make more money going multiplatform. just look at uncharted 1 did; it was created on and for the ps3 as an exclusive but it didn't sell well but they did not give up and made U2 which is now known for the greatest playstation game ever (UK pollings,lol).So what's the difference between that? NT just gave up too quick before they even started and ND( and other 1st party ps3 devs) stayed in the fight and broke through. Thats why sony have great games today.

Oh yeah- @ troy powers, every game 3rd person action game like GoW series, its ridiculous...

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:23:45 PM

The difference is Naughty Dog is a 1st party developer for Sony they have they're complete support financially. Ninja Theory doesn't they're not supported by anyone but themselves, that's the difference. What works for some developers ain't gonna work for others, every 3rd party developer can't make that same kind breakthrough like others. So you're gonna persecute Ninja Theory for for playing it safe & not taking unnecessary risks.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:20:59 PM

i'm sure sony would have picked them up as a first party developer.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:49:28 PM

Maybe they would have but they haven't yet cause if they did then of course they would have stayed exclusive.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:24:46 PM
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Now I'm really pissed off, if u are not gonna pursue it YET, then why would u rub this sweet concept of Hell and earth in my face. now you made me want it even more :@

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coverton341
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 1:43:05 PM

Fan reaction. Plan and simple. If there is a big enough outcry for something like this you can bet your bottom dollar that after their done with DmC and the DLC for Enslaved they will pursue something like this.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 5:35:55 PM

other than Sucker punch, I never heard of a company listening to their customers otherwise we would have a proper JRPG

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AntDC
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:15:17 PM

@coverton

Exactly, just like how fans plea to Square Enix to make a FFVII remake forced them too-...

Ah wait... :(

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The_Vandelizer
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:29:20 PM
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why doesn't Ninja theory just re-release Heavenly Sword with some DLC and a Trophy patch guaranteed people will buy it. i know i would its a good game.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:44:40 PM

Great idea. Heck, Sony should give the game to another studio and let them do just that. I would pick the game up long before Enslaved if Heavenly Sword had trophies.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:37:39 PM

I would too. Maybe hammer out a few of those frame rate issues toward the end, and fix the screen tearing.

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The_Vandelizer
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:33:13 PM
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I dont know if you guys know but Heavenly Sword was a Xbox exclusive. Microsoft brushed it off and Sony picked it up and gave them (Ninja Theory) a chance. 1.5 million is not bad at all. They probably had to many problems with Sony for them work with them again.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 12:52:28 PM

I dont believe that. Many devs have said Sony is a joy to work with.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:32:07 PM

That doesn't mean ninja theory had that same joy though.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:39:23 PM

Dead Space was an xbox1 exclusive at one time too, development takes lots of turns.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:03:35 PM

That may be true, Guyver, but whats the chances of everyone having a great time with Sony except Ninja Theory?

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:11:39 PM

I'm well aware that there is a slim possibility of that happening all I'm trying to say is maybe they want to have that same kind of relationship with Sony that it's other 1st party developers but feel like Sony isn't paying them enough attention or something like that who knows.

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Shams
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:19:31 PM

Suckerpunch is 2nd party (independent but exclusive), and Insomniac was 2nd party, now 3rd, but we'll still be seeing high-quality from them, without a doubt.

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Shams
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:23:22 PM

NT's guy is just too busy hair-spraying that creature on his head, and too busy talking about Uncharted 2...

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:54:25 PM

Your mentioning developers who both had helluva lot more success with they're 1st games & made a helluva lot more money then NT, that's not a fair comparison. I'm trying to keep a positive outlook on NT But they're making it hard with all the excuses they make.

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Shams
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 6:34:16 PM

Both Guerilla and MM were 2nd party as well, before they were acquired by Sony as 1st party studios. LBP didn't make record breaking sales, either (nor did Guerilla with their Killzone franchise) but Sony saw quality, and they went for it.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 1:37:09 PM
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Heavenly Sword 2 couldn't go multiplat because Sony owns the IP... still does.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 1:37:37 PM
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Well, that sounds rightly awesome. I remember reading way back when that they had actually planned HS to be a trilogy, so this doesn't actually surprise me. But honestly, I've seen nothing but good comments about HS, and I certainly feel that were they to go back to it, it will sell more than enough to make it worth their while.

But, I would love to see Sony get their story ideas and then outsource the game to a new developer. Maybe they could serve to improve the mechanics and AI of it. BUT they'd also have to use the same engine. I don't think I've ever seen anything with the same sort of sheen to it.
Peace.

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KNG201
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:19:14 PM
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i respect them very much. i mean 1.5 really is not alot. if u look how technology changes and gets more expensive. Heck do anyone know how much money it takes a third-party company to make an exclusive? hmmm....

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gumbi
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:22:55 PM
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Well, I'd rather get no sequel than an Unreal multi-plat HS2.

This was the very first game I played to completion on my PS3, and it's left a lasting impression. I hope they can go back to it one day, keeping it exclusive. But we can't really be angry at them for focusing on multi-plat titles right now, it's business. Just please... please do DMC justice.

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KNG201
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:29:30 PM
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it sounds like they are under contract for a few years to make multi-plat. hopefully they stash some money aside so they can get back to exclusives for the ps3. they do care about their games but what master say goes....4 now

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:31:20 PM
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If you read between the lines this release is simply saying "Sony, if you haul out the big bucks and cover our asses this time, we will give you HS2."

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:34:07 PM

Exactly.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 2:46:56 PM

Not sure thats the best investment Sony could make. They would be better off giving the IP to Santa Monica Studios. They would probably get it done in half the time, with half the resources and the game would come out God of War quality instead of crap.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:02:11 PM

@Jawknee So in other words your saying Heavenly Sword & Enslaved are crap. Both games have they're technical problems but they're still very enjoyable games, they don't fall off into the category of crap.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:43:58 PM

In terms of technical quality...Yes. Thats not to say people who can look past those poopy graphics, glitches and screen tearing won't enjoy the game for its story, characters etc.

I didn't find either game enjoyable as far as gameplay goes but i can see they at least have a decent story and characters behind them. Well Heavenly Sword way. That Monkey character is terrible.

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Victor321
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:57:20 PM

Enslaved's story is loosely based off a chinese novel called Journey to the West, I think, so that's why there are characters such as Monkey, Trip, and Piggy. Unless you hated him because of his design or his voice, you can't really he was terrible.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:16:48 PM

@Jawknee ok so I admit compared to the stylish gameplay of Devil May Cry & the goriness of God Of War the gameplay for both Heavenly Sword & Enslaved are nothing special. but still they have a lot of potential.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:23:56 PM

I rather agree, send it to Santa Monica, they need a massive project. But you can't deny this is NT's way of saying to Sony that now that they have a decent new IP and are the go-to guys to reboot DMC that they are worth spending money on.

Who knows if that's true or not, but this is their way of wooing some cash fo sho.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 5:12:12 PM

@Victor, Yes his design is why i dislike him so. The name isn't that great either.

@Guyver, fair enough.

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Nynja
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:12:58 PM
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I believe Sony owns the rights to Heavenly Sword. So if the developer did decide on HS2, they would be forced to a single platform. I'd hate to see such a talented group go under. All is forgiven... on that note...

Hey Sony, is it just me or did Tameem Antoniades' comment sound like a pitch for you to make them a 1st party developer? What are you waiting for?

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Victor321
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:14:01 PM
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Kojima Productions is a third party studio, and a title such as MGS4 isn't multi, last time I checked.

What a stupid excuse to use when you're answering someone why you went from 3rd Party exclusive to 3rd Party multi, which apparently is to Mr. Antoniades, is what a standard, "normal" 3rd Party studio is.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:45:15 PM

Thats because Kojima cares more about his work than making big bucks. He still made a lot of money off MGS4 im sure but i think hes willing to sacrifice a few million sales in order to get his gaming running the best that it can on the best console at the moment.

Besides, you know Kojima is a Sony fanboy. haha

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Victor321
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:55:14 PM

Lol true, but regardless, it's not a smart thing to say.

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Crabba
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 3:57:51 PM
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Well they can say they need to go multi-platform to make more money, that doesn't necessarily mean they will. It will be interesting to see the sales numbers for Enslaved, and I guess we'll see how many million copies it will sell on ps3/360...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:25:12 PM

I predict more sales on PS3, not because I'm a Sony fanman, but because Enslaved isn't a straight up shooter.

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ace_boon_coon
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:46:10 PM

this game will sale a million tops between both consoles.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 4:37:25 PM
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Thank god they didn't go for it. A more dedicated dev will someday give it a proper sequel.

Santa Monica, go wild with this game! And don't make Kai an old womwan (wtf was Antoniades thinking of anyway?) Old woman? wtf?

From Software is a 3rd party and they sure as hell are comfortable with the 700K+ they sold with Demon's Souls.

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FxTales
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 5:10:51 PM
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Well I believe they're a talented studio but I'm glad they didn't pursue it, not with that attitude. If sony wanted to show them up then yeah hand that project over to someone else. Again another studio whose artistic focus is second only to money.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 6:11:21 PM
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after just finishing the enslaved demo. Although I can see the benefits of exclusivity, the game is still freakn awesome, I will buy it for sure

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Mr Bitey
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 7:10:18 PM
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They can make whatever they want, I just hope they decide not to destroy Devil May Cry.

Dante deserves another game. That little meth addict they are trying to pass of as him, is insulting.

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TEG3SH
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 7:22:22 PM

but the old Dante looked like a badass emo, from what I have seen soo far that game looks awesome

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Temjin001
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 7:36:30 PM
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I think NT's ambitions were over-budgeted.
Perhaps, it was smarter for them to become known as a great game developer within a more realistic game budget.

Then after having some clout with a larger fan-base, escalate production values for actors, theatrical musical scores etc.

Considering the size of the PS3's user-base at the time, it would seem that 1.5million in sales would be a great number or products sold. Were there even 10-15million in PS3-owners at the time?
A 10% chunk of that audience buying into your game should always spell success for those who properly budgeted a game.

I took SC: Conviction back to Blockbuster to pick up LoS... Unfortunately, they didn't have LoS yet, and so I went ahead and grabbed Enslaved.



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acolyte
Tuesday, October 05, 2010 @ 11:21:35 PM
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#1 - Heavenly Sword is a Sony Ip, part of the deal.

#2 - Sony ponied up all the development cost when Ninja Theory signed the contract.

#3 - SCE Cambridge was called in to help with the game on a technical, and it seems game design level.

#4 - A sequel was offered to Ninja Theory, they seemed to have declined.

#5 - SCE Cambridge seems to have had a sequel in the works for HS2, when the relations broke down between Sony and Ninja Theory. It was also canceled.

#6 - The next game was going to feature a different culture if you will, was going to follow in look with Indian style.

#7 - how do I know?

heh.

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___________
Wednesday, October 06, 2010 @ 3:52:36 AM
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW COME ON THAT WOULD OF BEEN SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FREAKING COOL!!!!!!!!!!
:(
oh well i guess enslaved will have to do.
in really enjoying it so far, actually even better than what i was expecting!
up to chapter 6 now, NEVER! has a games had such a effect on my that during the day im constantly thinking about it.
i wonder what happens next.
if im not playing enslaved im thinking about it, i cant get it out of my bloody head!
props to NT, they have proven themselves a top tier developer!
they might b*tch and moan like a 80 year old women, but god dam do they know how to make a game!

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atomaweapon
Wednesday, October 06, 2010 @ 12:59:08 PM
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I would have loved a HS sequel. I wish they would have gone that route instead of this enslaved stuff.

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DemonNeno
Wednesday, October 06, 2010 @ 4:46:35 PM
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So a million and a half copies sold when exactly how many ps3 consoles were around? It's such a sad world...

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Libertarian
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:03:20 PM
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Enslaved is a better game, so I'd rather have a sequel to that instead of Heavenly Sword. Enslaved is getting higher reviews, and after finishing both games, I have to agree with the Metacritic average. Enslaved is vastly improved over previous Ninja Theory titles. Well done.

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