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Ninja Theory: Capcom Wanted A "Crazier" Dante For DMC

There has been a lot of talk about Dante's new look in the Devil May Cry remake. Well, it's because Japan (aka Capcom) told Ninja Theory to "go crazy."

In speaking to Develop, Ninja Theory's Nina Kristensen said "the concepts for Dante went through a lot of different iterations" and that the team "went really far out with some." It's becoming clear that Dante's redesign was a major focal point of the game's development, and it's also clear that Capcom - not Ninja Theory - pushed the designers to twist Dante even further. Said Kristensen:

"The first time we sent our initial concepts to Capcom Japan, they said no, no you need to push it way further. Because, obviously, Dante is a big character for Capcom, we stuck fairly close to the original design template. But Japan said we needed to go much further, go crazy with it, and so we did."

The redesign hasn't gone over well with the long-time fans, and even the original Dante's creator, Hideki Kamiya, doesn't seem too thrilled with the overhaul. He recently said he misses his old creation and when pressed on his Twitter page to comment on the DMC reboot, Kamiya simply replied, "whatever."  Hardly an excited comment.

But if you're one of the haters, make sure you point the finger in the right direction. Ninja Theory may have devised the look, but only at the behest of Capcom...a publisher that desperately wants to cater more to Western audiences, like many Japanese game companies today.

Related Game(s): Devil May Cry

Tags: dmc, devil may cry, ninja theory, dante, capcom

10/7/2010 10:51:37 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (76 posts)

spiderboi
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:13:53 AM
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Right. And one word for what they did-- NUTS!

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SayWord
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:36:07 AM
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I know a lot of people are hating on this when barely anything was shown, and what was shown looked pretty interesting. People are scared of change, but change is a normal part of life and I'd rather see new things happen in the video game industry then more of the same. I remember games back on older consoles had so much variety so many different ideas, now its just sequels after sequels with nothing really changing. This is why I love sony so much how they encourage new ips within their developers and when sequels do come there are always some noticable differences that make the game fresh. God bless you sony ahah.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:48:49 AM

If I was a fan of the series I would be more worried about the job NT will do with DMC in general especially since they are using Unreal and their first Unreal multiplat project came out bad as far as tech quality is concerned anyway. There's a good chance this new DMC will come out looking and performing worse than previous installments.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:15:34 PM

Change is good, very very good. bastardization of a story and character that many love is bad. Silent hill Shattered memories was the same way.good, but terrible.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:45:40 AM
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Soooooo...you give Capcom a drug addict from Twilight universe with bad hair?

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GuyverLT
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:52:57 PM

Capcom approved of it so they must like it.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:15:16 PM

Considering were taking about current gen Capcom, that's not saying much.

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wolfsinner
Friday, October 08, 2010 @ 8:06:13 AM

Even so, you can't blame NT at this point, when Capcom approved that one out of a lot of concepts.

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Mr Bitey
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:47:52 AM
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Capcom just keeps the great business decisions coming. They surely know what they're doing.

Just look at how great Lost Planet 2, Bionic Commando, and Dark Void were... oh, wait a minuet. They were all really bad.

Sadly DMC will be added to that list. It's this desperate desire to try to appeal to western gamers, that keeps leading to failure.

Capcom was a great developer at one point. Back when they focused on making great games, and not trying to cater to certain demographics.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:50:53 AM

Street Fighter is the only thing keeping Capcom afloat at the moment.

Oh and their selling of cut content meant for the original release but was cut due to Xbox limitations *coughresidentevil5*cough*lostplanet2*cough*

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:11:16 PM

Adam, i agree with you maybe we should set up a anti-westernization site for games. mo idea where to begin, but it'd be good. or developers can pitch ideas at fans, and they can get the response before their mistakes.

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Wissam
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:52:45 AM
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Talking the usual bs NT.shut up please. and they
said few days ago that they have problems developing for the ps3. so don't have high hopes for this.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 11:53:40 AM
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The proof is in the gameplay, I'm interested in what will be changed there. I can live with dark hair and a more youthful appearance.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:21:30 PM

Me too.

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GuyverLT
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:55:59 PM

I Agree, as long as they gameplay is updated & fun and they can fix those technical issues I know I will enjoy it either way.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:16:39 PM

Me too, but was it really necessary to use Antionidas' hair?

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Shams
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:49:38 PM

Not to be outdone by Naughty Dog and Uncharted 2, he grows out his hair to do mocap on it.

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Sol
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:04:20 PM

Agreed...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 4:47:03 PM

lol "Perfect Hair Forever"

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Snaaaake
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:00:56 PM
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Go crazy with it and give him an ugly Tameem Antoniades' hair?

Now after Enslaved I have confidence that they will deliver in graphic but it's safe to assume this will be the first DMC that doesn't run at 60fps since it's Unreal Engine DmC is gonna use.

I watched the IGN rewind trailer for DmC and it seems that "Dante"'s weapon can shapeshift so this could be interesting.

Yea, as much as I hate "Dante"'s new hair and clothes, I'm actually quite interested in this.

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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:13:03 PM
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What Capcom effectively did here was to push the original DMC fans farther away compared to how NT went "crazy" with Dante. It really seems like most Japanese video game companies are on self-destruct mode since this generation began. And that "whatever" comment from Kamiya was well-deserved.

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ryu
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:17:29 PM
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capcom thought it best to make a crazier dante, they have to get the craziest dev on it,

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Alienange
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:20:57 PM
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There's certainly no lack of haters for Capcom. Sadly, Nina has given them a handful of fresh ammo with this comment. I guess deflecting negative vibes towards NT is her thing. Way to go Nina, you saved them again.

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GuardianMode
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:26:34 PM
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Even after reading this will I buy the game?------No. Will I rent it to see how they killed off Dante-------Yes. Bargin Bin buy?---probably not.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:57:00 PM

So....you're dismissing a game before any concrete information about the gameplay or story comes out? Explain yourself!

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GuardianMode
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:01:57 PM

For me the Dante I grew up playing is DMC. This is not Dante this is a sell out. Others may like playing "Twilight The Game." but I will pass this one up.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:07:13 PM

Thanks for explaining but I think you're being too hard on the game already. It may not have the same character portrait you remember but the gameplay and story may wind up being very similar to past DMC games.

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McClane
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:25:41 PM

@LimitedVertigo:

I'll give you an explanation...

They're trying a reboot....WHY??? No more stories to tell about Dante?? Well, here are some ideas:

--Dante's descendent into Hell itself seen at the end of DMC2 and having another epic battle against Mundus...

--Vergil's journey into Hell after DMC3 and his eventual defeat at the hands of Mundus...

-- How about Lady's story and how she became a devil hunter herself??? We've had other games where a girl is the main protagonist...

Those are my reasons for disliking the new DMC and the whole reboot thing...

I don't want to go into the look because all I had in response from someone here was:

"It's a knee-jerk reaction"....

**Rolls eyes**

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:35:44 PM

You didn't really give reasons for not liking this game but rather examples of storylines you'd like the DMC series to further.

For all you know this latest DMC game will have a great storyline you enjoy and gameplay better than any of the games before it in the series.

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McClane
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:45:31 PM

My reason is the reboot thing...

This is not Hollywood, you know...

EDIT: "For all you know this latest DMC game will have a great storyline you enjoy and gameplay better than any of the games before it in the series. "

How do you know that??

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:55:05 PM

So what if it isn't Hollywood? Reboots are not meant for just one medium of entertainment.


I'm not sure why you're asking me how I know you'll enjoy the storyline and gameplay since my statement clearly didn't convey that I knew.

I was simply pointing out that you're quick to bash the game for not taking directions you feel the series should have yet you know very little about the game and thus for all you know you may end up enjoying the gameplay and storyline.

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KNG201
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:43:19 PM
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really i can care less what a dude looks like. im not gay. i think its good to see something new. the only thing i liked about old dante is his persona. if they screw that up then i might be a little less interested. ppl not liking his hair and clothes sounds femal TO ME...what next his shoes....

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:57:47 PM

So the only way to make an opinion on another man's looks is to be a homosexual?

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Ergi
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:06:05 PM

We are just attached to a characters persona(as you stated, persona is matters) and the way he looks has an influence on the way you experience the character. Atleast for me it does. Same with Cole and he hasn't even been around long.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:07:49 PM

I think he's cute and I'm not gay.



Shut up World.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:19:58 PM

hahaha. Hey I'm with you, if you hadda be gay to comment on a bad look everyone in Hollywood would be gay... wait. oh....

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:22:17 PM

LOL!

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nilos95
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 12:58:48 PM
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Admit it ninja theory, Antoniades wanted to become the hero.
Anyway, bargain bin for this one...why won't they just have a 1-3 collection.............

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:03:19 PM
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I hate westernization, i have over 100 games and guess what only like 6 western games, why? because they are mostly bland and fail at being humorous. Developers need to stop using the unreal engine, it makes the game play of the games feel to connected as well as character design. rather then use that engine on one of capcom's mother-ship titles they should have used the DMC4 engine and modded it.
Westernization killed FF13, good game, but not what it should have been, i look at the first trailers when it was ps3 only, it was much better, but xbox and simplification stepped in, now there's not even a defense stat.

No matter what we look at from DMC, if you like it or not, what are we losing from the original games? what was taken out? what was broken down and simplified for slower thinking westerners? think about that.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:17:23 PM

anyone else notice that despite the fact they changed his look he still looks right in MVC3? i don't think capcom is hanging onto this new design. we'll see DMC they way it should after this flops.

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Slycly
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:08:07 PM
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I hate his new look. Looks like my meth head cousin.

Not like it matters most people will still buy the game just for its name sake like they did Final Fantasy XIII even though probally half even finished that game. The fans of the series who bought every game since the beginning are the ones getting screwed but most of those fans will most likely check this game out no matter what Dante looks like even though they make not like his new look.

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Sogi_Otsa
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:12:27 PM

i bought mine used, i didn't want leona lewis to get any pay from my purchase.

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GuyverLT
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:09:06 PM
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On almost any thread that I've seen so far revolving around the DMC on the web all the complaints are about Dante's looks, I mean really his looks isn't why he was a so-called badass 2 begin with, it was his personality, & from what I seen in the trailer that's pretty much still in intact. How people say that a new game that's doesn't even have a release date yet is gonna suck all because he doesn't have all white hair is beyond me, I had no idea that their were video gamers out there who are apparently psychic and see into the future & tell whether or not A new game is gonna be good or not.

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:14:40 PM

Get used to it, evidently GOW3 would have sucked had Kratos been given a hair-piece.

There's no point trying to sway their asinine reasoning.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:16:02 PM

Depends on what kind of hair piece. ;)

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GuyverLT
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:19:41 PM

Well GOW3 did have some unlockable costumes & I wasn't really trying to sway anyone although it might have seem that way I'm just making a statement that's all.

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Ergi
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:19:53 PM

hehe, maybe a mohawk...
Or a mullet, imagine.

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GuyverLT
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:31:27 PM

Kratos with a Mohawk or mullet, well I don't know about the mullet I would get used to it, but a Mohawk could definitely work cuz he'd still be part bald.

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KNG201
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:14:41 PM
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@ guyver
my point exactly

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DjEezzy
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:16:30 PM
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I'm not going to judge anything until i play it. One trailer has come out for this game. One! It didn't even include gameplay either. Who cares if they overhauled him. I think it's a fresh idea and could and most likely will be pretty awesome. I'm a fan of the series from the first game and i'm not disappointed at all. Times change. Get over it.

Like i said before. Who the hell is going to focus on his hair when he's tearin stuff up?!? If you are, you have way too much time on your hands. Plus, that's just being picky. If the style is still, attitude and gameplay is all there then i'm in.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:19:19 PM
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I like the idea of mental asylum Dante now that I've had time to think and reflect on it. I may not like the new character look, but I'm sure I can get used to it. My biggest worry now is in the combat. Both of NT's games so far have used a simplified combat system in order to keep the focus on the story, but that will need to change for DmC, as that isn't what this franchise is about. It'll still be fast, but I'm worried as to how it will turn out.
Peace.

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GuyverLT
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:24:47 PM

They said that they're fans of the original series themselves & that they wanted to make the gameplay like the cool ass cutscenes DMC is known for so this will probably be the 1st game were they actually do something more with the combat, but what do I know I'm just speculating at this point.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:23:46 PM
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Still looks pretty good, but I have to agree with the folks who say DMC doesn't need a reboot yet, it needs to go forward. But then I had no problem with Nero, I know a lot of people did.

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Ergi
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:31:01 PM

He, I didn't have a problem with Nero either. I had a problem with Raiden though, but got used to it.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 1:32:51 PM

I worry more for fans of the franchise because NT is involved in general. The design is just fun to make fun of. ;) NT are overrated in my humble opinion. :)

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Ergi
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:10:41 PM

I don't think NT is overrated. I do think they are performing below their capabilities, be it for whatever reasons. They haven't met the quality that Heavenly sword had recently, and they also need to develop more to form a proper judgment.

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McClane
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:33:52 PM

@World:

DMC doen't need a reboot, here are my reasons why, from a previous post:

"I'll give you an explanation...

They're trying a reboot....WHY??? No more stories to tell about Dante?? Well, here are some ideas:

--Dante's descendent into Hell itself seen at the end of DMC2 and having another epic battle against Mundus...

--Vergil's journey into Hell after DMC3 and his eventual defeat at the hands of Mundus...

-- How about Lady's story and how she became a devil hunter herself??? We've had other games where a girl is the main protagonist...

Those are my reasons for disliking the new DMC and the whole reboot thing..."

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:36:18 PM

McClane you silly double poster!

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McClane
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:48:24 PM

Nah, I was just trying to make a point, sometimes people don't read the whole thread...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 4:01:47 PM

I agree with you, there was much more universe to explore. Apparently the second your sales slump you have to reboot these days.

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DjEezzy
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 2:37:44 PM
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I'm going to take a shot in the dark here. I think Ninja Theory is probably not that big of a development team. I mean they've come out with 2 games in the past 3-4 years. I will also say that i don't think they are overrated. I think they just need to hone their skills more. I'd say that they'd at least need to have 3 games out to make a proper judgement on them like Ergi said. 2 games is just not enough to really show how versatile they are. In any case their first 2 games are quality titles. Maybe not elite but hey, you gotta start somewhere. Don't think there have been a whole lot of developers that just make an Elite AAA title right off the bat. Oh well most of the bashing comes from the people who are already cynical anyways. People who complain and hate 90% of the time. Nothing is ever good enough. Sad...

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DemonNeno
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 3:40:58 PM
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I don't think dantes new look will kill off my appreciation for the game. It's not like this is a date I'm going on and quite frankly I very rarely pay attention to the character I'm playing.I made it through 8 bit characters and expect to survive a characters appearance despite the difference.

it's a shame that these companies aren't hearing out our voice on this whole japan thing. western style isn't japans business.this fad about our taste in america is getting stupid! If I wanted western style graphics and gameplay, I wouldn't be interested in japanese companies when in fact its the exact opposite.

If japanese game companies fall off the boat, it's purely their own misled fault. Sad. its like they think we all like the same food and haircuts too. stop being r-tards!

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xXxSeTTriPxXx
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 4:31:36 PM
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if they take jump canceling out,i'll never touch this game.

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Naztycuts
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 5:12:15 PM
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In lieu of all the recent character overhauls Gearbox is "re-imagining" Duke Nukem! haha man people would be pissed! The only time I care about how my character looks is if I can see the tops of boots sticking through pant legs or another problem. The Fun Factor, Design Quality, and Playability are all paramount to character design in my opinion.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 5:22:55 PM
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The redesign sucks. Who the hell is actually trying to convince themselves otherwise?

Capcom's only great franchise at the moment is Street Fighter. And they still haven't ruined Megaman and Monster Hunter. But other than that all their other franchises are a shadow of their former selves.

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Jawknee
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 6:14:06 PM

They didn't ruin MeganMan?



Megaman Legends >.<

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FxTales
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 7:17:56 PM
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I've learned in the past not to be too critical of a game till I've actually had a hands on play through of it and I will apply that train of thought to this game. However my jab, like many others, is directed at his new look. So they're trying to appeal to the west yet his redesign is somewhat typical of a Japanese inspired manga character or what have you. Remember when we played as Raiden in mgs2? A lot of people were like "wh...what? Where's Snake?".

I know the demograph they're focusing on is mainly males but as a female I'm not inclined to choose the young male model look. Then again I hate the beefy ones as well. I don't know, heck the game might turn out to be so damn fun that I won't care what he looks like, kinda like mgs2 in the end.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 7:27:02 PM
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I don't know bout you guys but I think more franchise are going to be handed to western developers.

They don't wanna risk it with new IP so they're letting them doing the franchise instead.

Maybe insurance so that if the game failed to live up to expectation it will at least sell based on brand name.

This is just my theory though.

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Temjin001
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 9:03:30 PM
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While I have many doubts. Hopefully this experience helps Ninja Theory become more of a leader in this genre of play.

I just really hope they don't gimp the fps to 30fps. UE3 powered and Ninja Theory's game's have all signs pointing to 30fps.. What makes me more concerned is the hiccuping, popping and skipping that can be felt in Enslaved... lets hope none of that makes it in =

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hadouken
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 9:09:28 PM
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I like ninja theory. I just hate they had to reboot the series. I still have a lot question especially about Sprada.

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BigBoss4ever
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 10:12:15 PM
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Capcom went nuts and will fail, just second behind sqeeeeenix, epic fail!

DMC's Dante is one of the coolest character in video gaming, does not need any change whatsoever!

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___________
Friday, October 08, 2010 @ 4:08:31 AM
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honestly, can someone please explain to me what the ^%$%# is wrong with capcom?
pleasssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!????????
they completely change and f*ck up DMC4, the fans come hurling rocks.
so to fix that they do the same with RE5.
so to fix that they do the same with DMC reboot?
ok, our fans completely hated this so to win them back were going to do the same???????
ok, can someone please explain to me the logic in that?????????
normally if people hate a certain aspect of something, your suppose to change it, NOT KEEP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats it, its official, crapcom are now officially the worst company in the video game industry!!!!!!
worst than $E, sega, and antivision put together!!!!!!!!!!

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wolfsinner
Friday, October 08, 2010 @ 8:07:48 AM
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I was disappointed at first, but now I'm curious to see how it evolves. Let's see some gameplay. :)

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KNG201
Friday, October 08, 2010 @ 12:01:14 PM
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well to those that took my comment personally need to look at it like this...i was talking about me personally. i can be direct with no problem but thats not why im here.
if a strange dude walks up to you and say "hey i like your hair & your clothes" im sure in all honesty you would feel a little akward & slightly think that guy MIGHT be a little gay but if a female say it your confidence gets a little boost. i dont knock anyone on this site I understand everyones point of view but hearing guys complain about another guys hair and clothes makes me a little confused. if it was female character i could understand. like guys who wear pink...i dont understand ( i have friends who do) i wouldnt put pink on my son. i guess im from another era of men. no offence to anyone who do.

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Teddie9
Saturday, October 09, 2010 @ 9:56:46 PM
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Fine I won't blame NT for changing his looks (I don't even mind that part particularly), but I can still blame them if the framerate doesn't hold up and the combat system is inferior to the original series.

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Doomsquirrel
Monday, October 11, 2010 @ 1:04:36 PM
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what i dont like about him now is that he doesnt have white hair, that was one of the many things that made him cool, hell almost every young male protagonist that has white hair is a total badass, now hes plain, because he has black hair

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