GT5 Dated At Japanese Online Retailer

i guess I'll be out there with the last minute shoppers

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I have heard the game was delayed before because the director is a Perfectionist, and that is completely understandable. Why was it delayed again this month? It should have been out tomorrow! Regardless, I expect nothing but perfection from the premier exclusive racing franchise. Come on Rally Racing!

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Last edited by BeezleDrop on 11/1/2010 10:38:06 AM

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The official reason for delay is "production issues."

Personally, I believe it's over Kaz wanting the game perfect. Last I heard, GT5 was only around 85% of where he wanted it to be.

I want the game as bad as anyone, but dare I say that I wouldn't mind PD getting GT5 up to 100% of Kaz's vision?

I just might.

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The reason for the delay appears to be that Sony mandated that all new games after a certain date use SDK 3.5 (the software development kit that matches firmware 3.5) for the game build. Apparently there are additional/new encryption features/keys involved in the new firmware that will mean that games made with 3.5 or later will not be accessible to consoles exploited with one of the USB based exploits. That is almost certain the reason behind the delay. In which case, we should really 'thank' the moronic hackers who have effectively rained on everyone's parade.

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Highlander, I hate hackers as much as you do, but that reason is really minor even if it's true. If Sony cared so much about GT5, surely they would prompt PD on the new firmware, which was released way back in September. It doesn't make sense for them to just realize it and start updating the firmware weeks before the intended release date.

The funny thing about all this is we're getting our sources indirectly from Sony and PD themselves. A lot of us GT fans like me look for any bit of info on this matter, and in a way it's ridiculous because it's third party sources. The only thing we get from Sony are broken promises. I mean if they're not sure they can give us a release date by the end of October, then don't say so.

Am I the only that's really bothered by this? I doubt it.

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Daus

3.5 was released in late September. They changed encryption keys and methods in that most recent firmware. The delay to GT5 was announced in mid October, about 3 weeks after the firmware dropped. It's likely that Sony decided to mandate 3.5 some time in late September, but the impact of that requirement was not known until mid October. Since there is a multi-week lead time from a game getting final QA and going gold to the time when discs are actually produced, any minor delay in getting the game to manufacture has a much longer knock on effect as new schedules have to worked out, and the new production runs have to somehow be fit into the existing schedule.

It makes a lot of sense that this would not be known ahead of time since the rush changes to firmware with 3.42 were not planned, and the encryption changes to 3.5 were not originally planned to be part of that firmware update. There are so many downstream impacts of having to add security changes at the last moment both to the SDK and firmware. To be honest, this is the most logical and reasonable explanation for the delay with the only other reasonable idea being that they were still trying to lock the framerate at 60. Personally, I buy the security related explanation as it makes so much more sense and we've seen other games affected by the same issue.

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Highlander, i hear you but there a few important factors to consider.

Like many of the "oldies" here we have been into computing and gaming for quite some time. I for one have come through the days of the ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64, Amiga, CD32, PS1 and now PS3.

During the 8bit, 16bit and 32bit days most of the gaming computers I owned were able to play games, but were also used by the "homebrew" community to create some incredible productions,, pushing the hardware to its limits.

The scene, is made up of mostly enthusiasts who try to do things on hardware that maybe the developers did not intend. I don't know if you follow the "demo scene", on PC, Amiga, Atari ST etc, but there are many famous groups, artists, musicians and programmers making incredible art on these machines in the form of demos. I love this scene and watch many productions. During the good 'ol days I made quite a few productions with a group, those were the best days of my life to be honest. To be creative on the machines I owned.

Unfortunately, to some extent, time has moved on. Sony, like Nintendo and Microsoft... and now Apple, have really changed the game with regards to how the business is run and the huge amounts of investment needed to make anything decent today.

Their aim is to bring the "Hollywood" experience into the home, that means big budgets and "un-hackable" hardware to boot in order to protect their investments. Understandably, Sony and others are miffed if their systems are compromised by "pirates", however I feel strongly, that "pirates" and "homebrew" coders and developers should not be lumped together and criticised.

Organised crime will not go away, and pirating has become that big that there is a lot of money in it. Groups exist in the scene to release bootleg movies, software, music and the like, and these people will not go away while there is a market for their warez.. and let me tell you, the market is huge for their warez, especially in poorer third world nations where people can only afford to pop 2 dollars on a pirated game, dvd or movie.

The "homebrew" scene on the other hand do not condone piracy. All they wish for is that the system is "open" so that they can learn how to programme the hardware and make scene productions. Groups competing against each other at demo competitions are there to show off their technical prowess and not to condone piracy.

:: sigh :: "Piracy" and the "homebrew" scene are too different things and I want to make sure our community understand this.

On the "homebrew" scene I am already seeing some great (but simple) games coming out for jailbroken PS3's. Reminds me of the old days when people were writing games in their bedrooms... lots of innovation going on and I think it is a healthy thing.

Another point that cannot be denied, is many of the young people 20 years ago who were part of the Spectrum, Commodore, Atari and Amiga scenes are now actively working in the games industry. They cut their teeth on "homebrew" productions and demo's, pushing the hardware to the limits...

On the PS3 specifically, the "homebrew" scene (not the pirates) were particularly miffed Sony took away Linux, because in their eyes, it gave them an OS to tinker with programming the Cell in a cheap and cheerful way.

Initially Sony intended it anyway, encouraging people to make use of the Cell SDK and "learn" how to write code for the Cell.

It was popular amongst researches and bedroom programmers. They could experiment with PPC code and make productions running on Linux. It also doubled up as their games machine and blu ray player. It was the perfect combination. When "Linux" was taken away a lot of traditional "homebrewers" who had no intention to ever pirate a thing were hell bent on revenge to some extent. There was a lot of anger, toward the initial exploiters (such as Geohot etc) and subsequent pirates trying to compromise the system further. Their actions ruined it for a lot of people, including myself. No I have space issues in my room because I have to run two machines, whilst before I was doing everything on my PS3 :(

Again I say, there are two camps, the "pirates" and the "homebrewers".

I like what the "homebrewers" are doing and I really hope they start making some great demo productions for the system. I am technical whore so I like to see hardware being pushed to the limits, either by the "homebrewers" and/or the commercial game developers.

I am not fussed about GT5 being delayed, I think it will turn out to be an exceptional game that we will all enjoy...

But I must ask, how can a release of a game affect your life so much?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Last edited by Qubex on 11/1/2010 10:10:32 PM

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Remember back when firmware was used for adding features? Those were the days.

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I hear you Qubex, and i folloed the demo scene for a while, but not for years now.

The problem now is that even those who feel that they are doing no wrong when hacking into a system, because *they* don't pirate, as still doing something 'wrong'. Their wrong is that they imagine that no one will take their work and abuse it. If someone creates an open source hack for a console, whether the originator does so or not, it will be used within days to copy games and allow them to be played. You saw that with PS Groove.

Technology is at the point now where there are knock on effects that everyone has to be aware of and consider. So when someone hacks into a console it's no surprise to see the console maker protect it's investment. The interconnected nature of everything also blends the service, software and hardware into a single integrated platform. If you compromise the hardware or firmware, you potentially compromise the lot. That's intolerable for a platform owner.

Is it right or fair that the non-infringing work of folks like those in the demo scene is abused by others? No, but it has to be the expectation that it will happen. In which case there will be an expected response and so on, and so forth. Sadly it's not like it was back in the days of the ZX81/Spectrum/BBC Micro/Archimedes/520ST/Amiga. Those were discrete systems, the lines were not blurred, and besides, they were all created to be hacked about by their users, they were home computers for home-brew software. Consoles are sealed consumer electronics units, they are a different animal - at least IMHO they are.

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I hear you Highlander, that is true, the whole system is compromised. I think what is sad to some respects is that Sony came out with such good hardware, that I think a portion of the computer engineering scene wished they had reasonably powered computer version of the PS3, that could really be used for just that - "homebrew" development. I think the deep seated wish is that some sort of open laptop rendition of the PS3 hardware existed with more memory, whereby Linux could be used per normal, accelerated and open for modding and homebrew development.

I guess though it defeats the purpose of creating "cheap" hardware that is actually, in the end, subsidised by the games themselves. Then again, with the way costs have been reduced, Sony is not breaking even on the hardware and even making a small profit on it.

Anyway, I have to say, I do wish I could have my Linux back.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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You know, Sony could/should have put out a unlocked system with the cellbe and Rex the homebrew and Linux fans could have bought. Back when the ps3 arrived that would haves sold well. I liked the idea that you could use Linux on the PS3 but the fear was always what would happen if someone hacked tshe system. Still, a laptop or cheap desktop Linux system with a cellbe would be a good idea today, although I would hope that they'd put more memory in it...

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Man, this sucks. I was ready to throw down GT5 come tomorrow, lol.

I am not to bothered by it however, since I know that GT5 will be the "definitive racing experience for this generation.

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i'm in you guys only if it comes out this year.

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Looking at "The drop" on the PS blog and the forums at GT planet, last night was very depressing. I hope it's out a bit sooner than that, but hey, that would be a good Christmas present. After the game comes out I would like to race with some of the you other PSXE members. We should set up an event for everyone.

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I am down for a PSX GT5 club.

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I am very interested in this idea. I am not the biggest online player but I have always loved the GT series and think it would be really cool. I'm not super good at the games but I've always had great fun with them.

PSN is Groovy341 if anyone is so inclined when the game comes out.

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Really depressing...

Count me in Pontiac!!! PSN=jlch777

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Last edited by jlch777 on 11/1/2010 11:00:57 AM

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I'll send you a friend request. My PSN is "maxpontiac".

I am down for FUN and CLEAN racing.

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A great idea! I am MOGUNS82, and if anyone cares to race on Wipeout HD I am always game.

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That's a great idea. I want in! Maxpontiac is already on my list, I'll add a few of u guys as well!

My psn is my name on here as well.

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That'd be nice, add me too, my name is "NoXSaJ".
Mine is a Singapore account and here's hoping Gt5 is not region locked.
But hey, I also have a US account but I hardly use it.

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Last edited by Snaaaake on 11/1/2010 12:16:29 PM

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spiderboi56 here. hope it comes out as R1 in our country

*or if no region-lock, R3 sounds good as well*

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Last edited by spiderboi on 11/1/2010 12:32:33 PM

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I would love to see guys form some type of organization. It should be fun to challenge you all.

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Count me in on that too.

PSN ID: Shaydey77

I'm only round at the weekends with college but I'd love to race against you guys sometime. :)

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You guys can count me in too.... PSNID: TJO_82

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im keen too, my psn: MrStinker

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i want in this. psn is same as here

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I think having something in the forums would be better. That way it could be updated, and events managed more easily.

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Nerull1025
I'm not just jumping on the bandwagon. GT1 was my first ps1 game, even though I never got that great either.

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Last edited by Nerull on 11/1/2010 10:14:31 PM

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yawn. no sale. to little to late in my book should've been out tomorrow.

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I don't know what to say to you, with the exception of me questioning whether or not you even wanted the game.

A delay shouldn't detract you from picking this game up.

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Max, it's easy. All you need to say is..."Go Awaaaaaay!"

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see below...

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The month is over and no word on A release date yet. Depressing!

Anyways I still can't wait!

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Roll up midnight launch :)

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If that's the case, and it's a world wide thing, then Sony needs to move heaven and earth to make the pre-order deliveries happen on time so that everyone get's their game by the 23rd, otherwise there will be a lot of ungiven Xmas gifts.

This is actually really bad timing in my opinion because being so close to Xmas there won't be as many pre-Chritsmas sales and after Christmas with so many people having spent their money already, sales will suffer. What a great way to screw up the launch of what ought to be one of the PS3s system selling, definitive titles. Thanks Sony...

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Yeah Highlander, I agree with you on the 23rd cutting the holidays short.

If the date is true, then I sadly foresee GT5 now becoming the PS3's best "POST"-Christmas seller, causing lots of boys(and grown men) to become a little sadder after opening the last of their gifts on Xmas morn.

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Totally agree with you. That would be a very stupid move! If buyers are given more time, not only would 2010 close stronger than ever, it would give consumers time to but racing accessories without worrying about yet another delay past that point.

Let's face it. It's not the first xmas to see this.

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@TheHighlander

I reckon sony have planned this through. I mean, it's not like sony to mess up a a great selling oppurtunity, hell they've being one of the leading companies for years now. I think theirs tactics in this move, maybe they've tracked how UC2 sold, like its highest peaks, for all we know it sold the most copies on 23rd of december. (BTW I chose UC2 considering its highest selling PS3 first party game). But then again why would they announce it on Nov 2nd and delay...maybe thats in the tactics too. :P

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Nope, give the big fat ol' sarcastic thanks to the pirates, who made made PD upgrade the firmware requirement for the game to avert piracy (or something like that).

Even if the timing is not as ideal, imagine how much more they would've lost if piracy got hold of their "open" game.

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I'm in for that club. My tag is THEVERDIN.

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Don't the japanese always get these first?

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They have historically gotten the games like GT:Prologue, and I think they may have gotten the games a couple weeks early if that, but PD has stated they want a simultaneous release.

I think they probably want that because of the online functionality. That thought leads me to the thought that this will be universally open across all regions i.e. you can play with anyone anywhere, which is a nice thought. Hopefully that's true, I have a Scot that I want to take to the asphalt.

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For the GT series, I think they have, but regularly, the NA version was suppose to be released before any other region on November of this year. Actually, technically, it would be the same day globally since Japan is a day ahead of NA.

Also, since a pretty close global release was intended, any date we receive from any region should be very close to other regions as well. So if it's Dec. 23 for Japan, it should be days closer for other regions. I honestly believe they're done developing the "final" build.

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Its going to be busy out there if it really is December 23...all the last minute shoppers....great.

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GOTYX5

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I don't know about any of you, but GT5 launching on Christmas certainly means Christmas' all over the world will be affected. I may actually, scratch that, I will be bringing my PS3 to my Father's house on Xmas day just so I don't have to be away from the game that long (Dinner is never ready when you first arrive duh!).

That having been said, I still take this with a grain of salt until otherwise informed by Sony and Polyphony Digital. Online retailers have always proven to be incorrect, and therefore not a reliable source to base your information off of. I certainly hope, and expect it'll launch before Christmas, but not sold on a date yet until they tell me.

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Count me in. I'v bin waiting for this for a long time.My Logitech g25 wheel is primed and ready.

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PSN GT5 CLUB that sounds like fun psn I.D.aviatorman78.

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@BIG_E: your id is not working. add me infamousgodV2_0

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Isn't this just a placeholder date, though? Many online retailers have placeholder dates for GT5, ranging from December 8th to December 31st. Why have you highlighted this Japanese retailer in particular? I say don't believe anything until it comes straight from the horse's mouth, unless there's any evidence to suggest that this site has inside information?

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I think Sony's got to announce something soon. This delay is retarded.

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Like I said before. Release just before Christmas. 12/02/2010 would be ideal. Announce that date a week before. Just enough time for Christmas! Fans will be rabid from the wait and satiated the week after as well as extremely happy that it was not pushed to 2011. Merry Christmas indeed! We are counting on this Sony.

...from above.

Ben, Is it possible to institute some sort of member voting system? You know, "You have been voted OFF the Island" type of thing. I ask this because everyday I see a comment or two that are simply there to derail the entire thread. This site is not alone of course but this is the only site I actually care to protect from just plain illogical behavior. I admit that the exchanges are quite entertaining but it seems that in general the membership prefers to remain on topic and if there is to be a debate it will be with true passion and honest opinion. As well as respect for those personal opinions. I know that it is a very sensitive topic looking at it from an administrative point of view but give it some consideration.

P.S. Please excuse the duplication of this statement.

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Last edited by FATHASUN on 11/1/2010 6:46:49 PM

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Gamestop/EBgames call for Jan 1st, 2011 launch date. I think anything past the 10th of December is just plain bad news bears for all those wanting to purchase and gift this game. A lot of buyers pass up releases/purchases past the 20th because of how busy things get and the sheer chaos. Giving consumers a couple weeks to pick this up is really an essential goal I think Sony should abide by.

I generally spend ~$200 in gaming gifts every Xmas. If I could gift my nephew a copy of this, I would, but that won't happen if I'm pitted in the craze of late buyers. Not only is it rough to deal with, it's also very hard to keep copies in supply with demand. A slightly earlier release will buy suppliers a cushion to cope with along with an impressive burst of bang by the end of the whole deal (holidays).

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This is just a placeholder. GameStop has January 1st and I saw one the other day for December 31st and the 16th(Dec). What makes this date any different. I think any date beyond the 2nd week of December is to late. The sooner the better(sells wise). It will be stupid of Sony and PD to release it passed mid December.
I still see a early December release(Dec 2).
If you have gave up on GT5 because of this delay then you either didn't know enough about the game(see the perfection) or you never really wanted the game in the first place. A delay is never a good enough reason for not getting the game.

@ Sony/PD where is the release date? You were suppose to give us one before today(end of Oct).

I'm all for the PSN GT5 club as well,

chevkilla79

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Last edited by StangMan80 on 11/1/2010 8:52:49 PM

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doubt it will be that late in december, but looks like it definitely will be december.
EB just moved the face plate release back from the 4th to TBC december.
canceling my preorder tomorrow.

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I know the manager in a certain "GAME" store and she recieved an email saying it has been pushed back to easter next year.

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