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Attention: Enslaved Does Not Deserve To Be Ignored

Maybe multiplayer really is taking over the world. Maybe Namco's advertising budget for the game wasn't anywhere near high enough. Maybe it shouldn't have released on the same day as Castlevania: Lords of Shadow. ...or maybe some gamers have simply passed on the game for various, somewhat vague, reasons.

The sales numbers for Enslaved: Odyssey to the West are not good. In fact, rumor has it they sit at only 150,000 copies worldwide and based on the game's inherent quality, that's unacceptable in our eyes. As we said in our review, we admit it has its fair share of technical shortcomings, and it's always difficult to find success with a new IP (especially in the fall), but despite the competition and despite the flaws, Enslaved is a game that should receive more appreciation. You will note the end of our review; the bolded final notes that explain the specific appeal of that particular title. It's story-driven, it relies on its characters, it doesn't offer a multiplayer option, it places plot and artistry above technical achievement. Granted, the latter is sorta necessary for an elite production and because Enslaved lacked that polish, we couldn't possibly give it a 9+. But it was more than worthy of the 8.4 it received and you can easily find other reviews that say the same thing.  There are numerous reasons to play it.

People, Enslaved isn't to be avoided and Ninja Theory should be rewarded. We understand there are a ton of games you wish to have this holiday season, and we understand everyone has priorities when it comes to spending on hobbies. But at the very least, put it on a Christmas list. If you enjoy well-drawn, interesting characters, a decent plot, a really cool, colorful environment, and a nice mix of action, co-op gameplay elements, platforming, and a dash of puzzles and stealth, you shouldn't pass it up. Those of you who have played it and enjoyed it, spread the word!

Related Game(s): Enslaved: Odyssey to the West

Tags: enslaved, odyssey to the west, enslaved sales, ninja theory

11/4/2010 11:03:52 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (187 posts)

coverton341
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:19:18 AM
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Enslaved really was a great game; I just think they botched the ending or set it up for a sequel that won't happen if it doesn't sell better.

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ColTater
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:00:55 PM

I too beat it on Hard during the 1st playthrough, and after the ending, my final impression was just meh. The ending was terrible and absolutely left me with no feeling of accomplishment of my odyssey to the west. The story and plot and the character emotion tries, but it is too cliche *SPOILER* (boo who, I lost my dad and now I want revenge), and just falters imo. No emotional connection for me.

The ungodly texture pop in and tearing were blatently noticable and it did detract from my overall enjoyment. I did want to keep playing to see what would happen hoping the story would get better, but to me it never did. Also, on the hard difficulty, it was just too easy. I did not die once on any of the boss fights. In fact the only parts where I spent my most time dying was the totally unforgiving 2 chase sequences you have to go through which are completely busted when it comes to the controls. Not to mention you can't pass them unless you hit every single blue turbo ball or whatever it was. I had to quit the game a few times and come back because those sequences where just too darn frustrating.

Plus, the stiff animations when you boost Trip up to higher locals is terrible. The humor is god aweful, and the Pigsy pervert shtick was lame. I think there is a total of 5 maybe 6 enemy types and they all prove to be no challenge, and you find you can spam the same attack the whole game.

All it does get right are some of the locals, the sound, and the easy climbing platforming mechanic. The combat never even gets upgradeable enough to where it feels rewarding like in say a GOW title.

Overall a 7 in my book.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:28:05 PM

In just minutes CoD BO will sell 150,000 copies worldwide.

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sirbob6
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:20:56 PM

That be the first 2 seconds Killa

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:29:07 PM

i think one reason it didn't sell is because NT kept bashing the ps3 and they kept bashing fans on heavenly sword. They couldn't kept their mouths shut. they even compared this to uncharted (which is blasphemy). They have made their bed and have to lie in it. i do not fell sorry for them. i was goin to buy thi game, but they didn't stop bashing the ps3, so it was a no sale for me.

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FatherSun
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:44:56 PM

Black Ops has already outsold this game. Some people actually pay in full when they pre-order. I'm sure even a small percentage equals that amount.

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GuyverLT
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:49:27 PM

Of course COD is going to sell more it's 1st person shooter, need I remind you people that most shooter game tend to sell more than the action genre so the comparisons you guys are making doesn't make much sense.

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IrreducibleSUN
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:26:35 AM
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I just don't have the cash on hand to spend right now otherwise I would get this game.
Sorry.

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ValdiPS3
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:25:03 PM

same here friend, have to pre-order Dead Space 2, and in december pick up Castlevania and Vanquish, i will buy Enslaved some time in the future, for the PSX review i am confident that is a great game, but for the other side i'am happy that is bombed so hard, Ninja Theory pay for talking so bad about ps3 and uncharted, if they think that 1,500,000 is not profitable, i imagine 150,000. not good in believe that will conquer the shooter cloud of the "almight" 360.

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:33:25 PM

the got what they deserved. if this we're exclusive it could have gotten more attention from sony and the fans. they brought this on themselves. i see they quiet now. those 1.5 million are looking really appealing right now i bet.

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YesterdysRising
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:27:04 AM
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I actually just got my platinum trophy for Enslaved last night and was thinking the same thing. I thought it was a great game but it seems like nobody has really mentioned it very much. Yes, there's not much replay value but definitely something worth playing through. At least give it a rent.

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booze925
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:39:29 PM

who in the hell would buy a $60 game 4 days before black ops comes out?

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:52:24 PM

People who would rather play another game. Drrr!

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YesterdysRising
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:53:52 PM

Well, I actually got it in a B2G1 free sale so this means that I spent $120 a couple weeks before Black Ops came out. Oh no! What should I do? Is the world gonna end? Oh, I know! I'll just spend another $60 and buy Black Ops too! Oh man, crisis averted. I thought my life was over for a second there.

Seriously though, not everyone's life revolves around COD. I might rent it or borrow it from someone but that's about it. There are so many more games out there that are more important to me than Black Ops.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:26:31 PM

haha that was funny... I mean i am buying black ops, but I realise some people are not buying it. that comment made my day!

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Gabriel013
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 3:44:48 PM

If I had £40 to spend on games then I would buy Enslaved over Black Ops.

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BeezleDrop
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:29:30 AM
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Apparently Irred doesn't have the cash on hand right now, but honestly. The formula for me is bad, they couldn't utilize the Unreal Engine well enough, the character design is awful I just cannot get over how lame Monkey is, and lastly technical issues on the PS3 from the Developers that created Heavenly Sword. Perhaps they can somehow strike gold with the "reboot" of DMC.

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godsman
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:12:20 PM

The sales are laughable. I think if they stuck with Heavenly sword engine and made a PS3 exclusive. They could have enough appeal to sell 300,000 by now on one platform. At the very least, the people on this website will give it more attention when an article about this game is written.

I might get the game when it comes down in price say... $20?

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ColTater
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:04:14 PM

^^^^You can't. Hence too easy.

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RobiinzZ
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:30:39 AM
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Tbh, its a shame, i'd love to support it, but i dont have the time or funds to play video games like i used to. So when i do buy a game, its generally a exclusive.

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frostface
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:18:29 PM

I get that, gotta be choosy these days! But you're missing a lot of great titles by just sticking to exclusives!

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PasteNuggs
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:31:46 AM
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I was on the fence for this for this game after I played the demo. But after reading the review on here it convinced me to buy it and I'm glad I did. I thought it was of the most fun games of the year. Although I do think pigsy took a little out of the story.

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:35:34 AM
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I bought this on the release date, i have yet to play it as my course has suddenly bombarded me with tasks, but i am certainly looking forward playing it, i loved the demo possible GotY condenter

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Alienange
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:11:20 PM

GotY? Never.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:24:23 PM

GOTY...that's funny. Haha

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Qubex
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:21:20 PM

That was funny... Lol!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:36:49 PM

GOTY? are you high? just asking

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:48:31 PM

Oh Hogwash!

Well for me its either that Heavy Rain or FFXIII. since March there was not being any interesting titles.

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Alienange
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:54:04 PM

You should have bought Red Dead Redemption friend. Don't discount it because "wild west" is American.

Unless you've played it. What do I know?

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:04:14 PM

I have to admit i havent got around to that yet. i've played it briefly but i can tell that its a game you have to let consume you to get the full benefit.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:43:50 PM

FFXIII is just as funny. Hahaha!

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Vivi_Gamer
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:41:37 PM

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Snaaaake
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:35:51 AM
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Though I doesn't own a copy of Enslaved, the demo really gave me a good impression of it.
I'm no big fan of Unreal Engine but I find Enslaved to be one of the best looking multiplat game.
And with that being said, 150k sold is a really bad bad bad bad bad number.

Now about NT, if Heavenly Sword 1.5million was a failure, then I'm sure this game is gonna put them in the red.
Oh, for fans of DMC, maybe the closure of NT ain't so bad, just sayin' ya?

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SolidFantasy
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:38:03 AM
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I can't tell if I like this game because of the unique environment visuals, cinematic cut scenes and what not or if it's just because Trip is so hot. I mean seriously that red hair and reveling clothing set she has going.
Either way much like so many I just don't have the money for any games right now.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:37:56 PM

Let's face it- Trip is Nariko's long-lost sister.

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frostface
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:20:31 PM

Lets face it...who wouldn't want a Trip and Noriko sandwich?

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Scarecrow
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:24:08 PM

Kai is better than both.

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spiderboi
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:29:25 PM

I liked making Nariko just walk and stop and walk. Makes the "view" much nicer. LOL :p

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Hezzron
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:43:52 AM
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I will immediately do my part and purchase the game!

**goes off to GameStop and buys the game used because it's a new IP and doesn't have MP**

Sigh.

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Underdog15
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:36:59 PM

lol support fail.

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ColTater
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:06:23 PM

Multiplayer, couldn't even help this game.

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:29:40 PM

There you go, Gamestop is to blame ;)

Them and their gamepass-repeat card, or whatever, it scrapes potential Namco revenue right off the top.
Score for Gamestop. No score, but frown for Namco =(

I wonder if Gamestop will ever become it's own publisher =p They could sell their new games out of their stores for $10 less than anywhere else.

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X_shadowkilla_X
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:55:12 AM
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At first enslaved was a very good game but as you play it more, I noticed a lot of bugs/glitches. I actually fell through the map once (didnt die) when you had to race Pigsy to the top of the junk tower, and had to restart the level, i couldn't get out from under the map. However this did not take away from the story. A definite rent.

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ColTater
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:09:02 PM

You summed it up greatly, but let me add a little to it. Definitly a rental...only since it will only take you 7-8 hours. No replay value except for trophy mongers.

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JackC8
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:57:54 AM
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It looks like a game I'd really enjoy, I'll probably pick it up for Christmas. I thought the demo was excellent. It's a nice breath of fresh air in this market saturated with shooters and umpteen franchise sequels.

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frylock25
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:58:50 AM
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i wont ignore it i will just be renting it from gamefly.

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Highlander
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:58:55 AM
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Too many games, not enough time...

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godsman
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:07:17 PM
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Judging a game by the demo is like judging a book by it's cover, yet it still doesn't appeal me in anyway. I know the original Journey to the West and original Dragonball story WAY too well.

I expected what to happen. Maybe the story is appealing in the middle or end, but I just can't get myself to get through this type of gameplay and story.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:12:27 PM

A demo is made to give people a taste of what's to come. Like a test driving a car. Not the same as judging a book by it's cover.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:11:28 PM
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They couldn't even reach Heavenly Sword numbers going multiplat with this game? Sad. I wasn't impressed at all with the demo. As Beezledrop said, the character designs were horrendous. Monkey and Pigsy? What are we 12? They probably shouldn't have released it with Castlevania. Gabriel Belmont kicks monkeys arse anyday. Konami and Koji Pro spent more time making their game shine on both consoles while Ninja Theory clearly went for a cash grab with this game. Screwing people out of a technically sound product. Especially PS3 owners. That's why I opted for Castlevania instead. Don't regret it either. That game deserves more attention in my opinion.

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godsman
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:16:23 PM

YES! I couldn't stand the names. I thought it was a nickname, but they kept it as "Monkey", which wasn't appealing at all. Instead of giving the girl a fitting name, they called her "Trip", what the hell is that? It's like names made up for an elementary school play.

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enjoi
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:28:53 PM

The game was LOOSELY based on a chinese story. In the english versions the characters names were Monkey King, Tripitaka and Pigsy or Pig.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:31:04 PM

Either was I, and it's why I didn't buy it.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:53:54 PM

Right! Talk about irony! "Heavenly Sword's million or so copies sold wasn't nearly enough, so we're going multi-plat with our next game."

Errr...great job there, guys.

I actually bought Enslaved on release date, but have only played through the first chapter. For some reason, it kept locking up my PS3. Then Naruto and Rock Band 3 came out and...that's all she wrote for Enslaved.

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Mornelithe
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:11:38 PM
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It's too bad for Ninja Theory, really it is. But, I'm willing to bet good money Heavenly Sword 2 would've sold more than 150,000. Hopefully, this doesn't sink them, and hopefully they've learned a valuable lesson.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:15:02 PM

I agree. Heavenly Sword 2 would have sold way more even if it remained exclusive too. They really screwed themselves.

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Mornelithe
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:18:55 PM

Indeed they did. There's so many other games out there right now holding my attention, and with the new Wheel of Time book out 2 days ago, and GT5 out sometime in the near future, I've more than enough to fill my plate.

I preordered HS and I never, once, regretted it. It was a great game, and deserved a sequel imo. Hell, I would've bought it.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:35:12 PM

For sure Heavenly Sword 2 would have sold more on the PS3, and that's being a PS3 exclusive.

Could the low sales be the following ---

- PS3 fans unhappy with NT?
- NT's gross over-estimation of the 360's populace?
- A victim of the economy?
- All the above?

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Alienange
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:19:04 PM
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No offense here Ben, but seriously, a lot of journalists are putting up articles like this one. They're asking gamers to give NT their money for a game that they feel is good. Could it be that critics are losing touch with what gamers want?

Above you give a description of Enslaved that could just as easily describe a $8 book. Gamers want to play, right? We're not stupid. We read the reviews. Just because a critic gives the game an 8-9 score doesn't mean we'll all run out and get it. The description, game length, subject... it all plays a part in our decisions.

I haven't even played the demo of Enslaved so I can't pass judgment on it and am grateful to have reviews to read. But really, nothing in any review on the net has caused me to think that this game is worth a $60 purchase. Over Fallout 3? No. Over Black Ops? No.

Maybe reviewers have to start looking at the value of the game in relation to other games instead of in relation to movies? I think if they did that the scores would be lower and devs wouldn't waste their time on short sp campaigns with a game mechanic that has been done to death.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:38:51 PM

You actually touch on something that I have always felt.

Just because reviewer "A" likes a certain game, it doesn't mean that gamer "B" will. The same could be said if the roles were switched.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:41:25 PM

Let me ask you a question: how often do you see me falling out of touch with "what gamers want?" Let me ask you a follow-up question- do you not think critics are gamers, too? Don't you think I still love to play games, and will only play and complete games I like? Do you think I'd actually recommend something that I don't deem a good value, also in comparison to other titles?

Enslaved is very different than Fallout or Black Ops. It offers a formula that is DYING in this day and age- a story-driven, single-player-oriented adventure with great characters, performances, and atmosphere. I will stand by that and recommend it. You see other articles similar to this one because those critics see the same thing I do.

Now, you can choose to believe it and actually try the game, or you can believe those who are saying it's worth your time. That's your call.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:09:43 PM

Ben -

You make a good point. Story driven singleplayer experiences are dying.

I believe it's because that gamers worldwide are not feeling that game that can beat in one week is worth $60 bucks anymore.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:05:13 PM

Ben, you guys should do a weekly ranking of the games that are released for any given week. Maybe even for a two or 3 week span. Like, "If you only have $60 to spend on video games, these are the games you should consider in THIS order."

In the past couple weeks, we've had Fallout, RB3, Naruto, Force Unleashed 2, Castlevania, Def Jam Rapstar, DJ Hero 2...up against those titles, would you even put Enslaved into the top 3?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:25:02 PM

That's an impossible ranking. It entirely depends on the gamer. I and a lot of people I now couldn't care less about music games, so there go all those. Anime is out. Fallout and Star Wars are well below expectations.

So yeah, Enslaved goes in there. Along with Medal of Honor and Vanquish.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:53:20 PM

Ben -

I don't see how Fallout New Vegas is below expectations when it's close to being the same game as Fallout 3.

Hardcore mode and weapon mods make this game actually better in my book.

As I stated prior -- Reviewer A meets Gamer B.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:00:30 PM

If you think so. Tell that to the legions of Fallout fans - not critics - who are pissed about how New Vegas turned out.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:42:17 PM

That is exactly my point sir.

I think so. That's where it matters most, right?

I respect your (all of PSX) opinion as a professional, but I just don't necessarily agree with it.

I can understand the final score deductions for the freezing and other glitches, but if the gameplay isn't broke? Why fix it?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:06:38 PM

Didn't say you couldn't disagree. But you're separating gamers and critics (as if they're any different) and then say you don't care about what your fellow gamers say, either.

I was just pointing that out.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:07:55 PM

Yeah gotta be honest I wasn't going to buy new Vegas, I was gonnask for it for Christmas. But I found it for 40 bux so I picked It up. And I gotta say if it's anything like fallout 3 I'm gonna love it... I mean realistically it's an rpg with a style and why would u change that? Why would the legions of fallout 3 fans be mad? Except for select reviews I've heard nothing but good things bout it from
People here at Psx, and people I know!

So are the legions of kz3 fans gonna be upset when it releases as a shooter? Cus shooter arguably rely on the same gameplay... I mean if it's a different story and is good, and yet still plays like fallout3 then it's arguably a good game considering F3 was a goty contender.

Really looking forward to getting into new Vegas!

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:36:43 PM

Some good posts there. I agree that critics pretty much have to be a "gamer" in order to be a critic. But I'd also imagine that critics cycle through their games a lot faster than a gamer who doesn't get review copies sent to their doorstep.

I liked Enslaved and it was worth a rental. But frankly, I don't think I'll ever go back to it, even discounted... but I dunno maybe that expansion pack stuff might do it

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Alienange
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:40:40 PM

As you say, "Enslaved offers a formula that is DYING in this day and age."

That should tell both developers and critics that this is not the kind of game they should back. And yet here you are, standing by it, recommending it, and asking gamers to "appreciate" it more (aka: buy it).

Does this mean that you think we gamers "don't get it" and need to listen to the higher intellect of critics? I certainly hope not. Yes critics are gamers, but guess what? Gamers are critics. And we've judged Enslaved as unworthy of the price tag.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:27:06 PM

Alienange, I couldn't agree more.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:33:13 PM

Alienange: Don't be so defensive. I mean Enslaved might be a game that a lot of people missed due to high competition and lack of funds. Nowhere do I imply anything that goes along with your ridiculous idea.

But by your amazingly elitist logic, according to the all-knowing, all-powerful, always-superior-to critics gaming populace, all games that sell poorly suck.

Interesting observation, that. I'll be sure to call Tim Schafer and let him know.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:05:57 PM

I'll just say that I think that all games that sell poorly generally suck. There are some rare awesomely over looked gems, but those are not always common. This game certainly can't be hailed as one.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:08:19 PM

That's true but I think it's dangerous to assume that any game that doesn't sell well contains a formula that should die.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:27:52 PM
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Sometimes life is ironic and the grass isn't (Xbox)greener on the other side of the fence.

NT should have maintained their loyalty to the PS3. I believe that a bulk of the Sony fanbase is very loyal to the PS3, and the developers that are as well. I am sure NT believes that the sales reached on Heavenly Sword look good right now.

The Sony fan in me has to chuckle.

I also believe that the low sales of this title mark a shift in the way consumers actually view games. Unless the game is Uncharted 2 great, the numbers will not be there.

As was the case with Medal of Honor, I refuse to give a developer/publisher my money when a game can't offer me around 20 hours of gameplay.

Games like Fallout New Vegas and Gran Turismo will offer me hundreds of hours each, so why should I spend $60 dollars on a game that only will give me 10 hours? It makes no sense.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:52:26 PM

I too like my games long. Casltevania has lots of play time and it's all fun. But I have also changed my mind about short games. I was complaining about Vanquish's length. It's only about 6 hours long but its a fun game. I remember Resident Evil games only being 4 to 6 hours, some are possible to beat in 3 or less and I was all too happy then to pay full price for those. In retrospect, nothing should have changed. If the game is fun, short won't really matter to me anymore but I do understand where your coming from. From a value for your dollar standpoint. Longer games offer more play for your buck.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:07:55 PM

Indeed.

This year has marked a change in my philosophy when it comes to games.

For example, MAG, HAWX 2, and Fallout New Vegas all have offered me or will offer me hundreds of hours of gameplay for $60.

Nothing else (that I want) in 2010 has either.

I absolutely loved GOW3. But it was done in about 12 hours for me, and I haven't touched it since. That will in all likelihood be the last game like that I buy new.

Maybe I am getting older or too picky. Perhaps it's both.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:24:15 PM

Do you hunt for trophies? i usually don't if the game is just ok or if it's something like Street Fighter IV. But for God of War III i went for platinum and that greatly extended my playtime well beyond 40 plus hours. Even tried to beat the game on Chaos.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:47:24 PM

Maxpontiac is a trophy king! He's got like 14 platinums last time I checked lol! Yea I'm bragging for you! If I remember you almost got MAG platinumed to don't you max?

Anyways jawknee I'm glad you got extended time in gow3 gettin trophies! I only was missing 1 trophy when I finished it on my first playthrough and that was the challenge trophy. But I dont mind short games, again if they are good! To me though a game like GoW and UC2 is pretty lengthy at 12 hours.I was upset that codmw2 and MoH were short! But I really liked both campaigns! MoH in particular. It was really good and it could have made the game way better if they would have extended it another 4 hours or so...

Anyways both you guys have valid points and I understand the bang for your buck, I really do. But im leaning more towards how jawknee feels. Plus max you had mentioned MAG has given you A lot of hours of play, and that's strictly from a mp standpoint. I can vouch for you an say MAG has Cus your always playing lol. But you can get that out of MoH also. I've already got over 24 hours into the mp alone, plus the meesely 5 hours in the sp. So that puts me round 30 hours with it.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:48:34 PM

I used to. Look at my Trophy score. LOL

Like I said, things are changing in my life as compared to how I used to play games.

I want a drawn out experience, whether it be online in versus matches, or a New Vegas type of experience.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:49:19 PM

The Trophy King on my list has 42 Platinums. Amazing. haha

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maxpontiac
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:50:49 PM

bigrailer -

I actually "only" have 10 platinums. But I do not pursue them like I used to. Heck, I even though about starting over with a new PSN ID, but decided against it because of on how I like "maxpontiac" so much.

EDIT -

Yeah, I really wanted MOH for the singleplayer, because I do not care for the DICE experience.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:52:39 PM

Sorry guys I don't know how to use the iPhone and couldnt edit my post correctly. So just to touch on what I was saying, games do need to be longer, regardless if they have mp or not. Cus 5 hours is not long enough. But d I thoroughly enjoyed it then I'm ok and won't complain too much! But I understand both sides.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:57:53 PM

Jawknee, that's outta control! I have a library of over 50 games and I don't even have a 1/4 of the platinum trophies for them, not to mention most of my games didnt come with trophy support, only my later games, but still! I do have 100% on a couple downloadable games but that's not really a platinum.

Haha max I said I was bragging for you! Well for some reason I thought you had more. Still impressive to me.my 9 I'm pretty proud of. Only need one more in MoH tho same with pop the forgotten sands.

Edit: max, I know so did I! I really didn't think it was gonna be short! I really liked the sp but again a longer sp would have made it much much better, considering that's what I was looking forward too.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:06:47 PM

Yea he loves his Platinums. He was the first guy i added to my PSN list too. I have watched him get these Platinums over the course of 2 or 3 years. Funny thing is i don't see him on as much as some of the people i have on my list from PSX.

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Troy Powers
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:08:55 PM

Funny, considering how one of the biggest complaints about Heavenly Sword was that it was too short, but it was an awesome game.

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frylock25
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:28:19 PM

your not talking about me are you jawknee? lol

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:43:14 PM

LOL! You're one of them. JohnLD is another along with Zemus.

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:53:11 PM

@ jawknee



Yeah i bought castlevania instead, i already beat it, but it offer me about 20 of gameplay and i was very polished. There's no way i'd by a 7 hour game, and it's pretty basic.

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Deleted User
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:37:13 PM
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You bring a great point but you allude the fact that there's a market out there. I'm happy with my Medal of Honor & Smackdown 2011. I would be enjoying DC Universe & Gran Turismo 5 if they werent delayed. You asking me to spend another 60 dollars of my money? No, Ben. No thank you

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vicious54
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:38:28 PM
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Played the demo, I didn't really like how the game plays. The platforming element of the demo felt a bit unresponsive. Also, the combat was really weak.

Some of my friends didn't buy the game because of the comments Ninja Theory said.

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Nlayer
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:47:32 PM
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I don't have the money for it now, nor the space on my very short Christmas list. The problem I have is that I wouldn't be buying it for the gameplay, but the story. I can easily buy a cheap book for that and enjoy it just as much.

Although it hurts me to say, I'll probably wait and buy this game when it becomes $30 new. =[

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:53:32 PM

Judging by the numbers, waiting until it's $30 won't take long either.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 12:57:54 PM
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I could buy Enslaved but do not feel it's worth a purchase. It has way more flaws than review scores reflect. Combat is extremely easy (even on hard), platforming without the suspense dying is a joke, and the technical problems(frame rate drops/screen tearing)happen way too often.

The story maybe be great, but that seems to be the only reason too even consider buying Enslaved. Sorry Ben, but I personally feel it's being ignored for a good reason. It seems like a story driven game but Ninja Theory forgot about the game part.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:27:20 PM

Exactly how do you know all this without playing the game?

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Dustinwp
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:41:54 PM

My brother rented it from Gamefly and I played through some of it with him. I will admit I did not get to play through the whole game, but played enough to form an opinion.

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Dustinwp
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:11:29 PM

I actually chose to buy Castlevania:LoS because of my time with Enslaved and feel I made the right choice for me personally. I can see the elements that people enjoy, there's just more cons than pros for my liking. Be careful Ben, trophies can be deceiving;)

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FullmetalX10
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:16:35 PM
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I was very unimpressed by the demo, even more since they used Unreal, though that last one should matter now, seeing what Bioschock Infinite is looking like, even though that's a newer version of the engine.
But still, both with the visuals and the platforming I wasn't impressed, which led me to not buying the game.
Also maybe a bit because Ninja Theory went multiplat. (yeah, I'm a fanboy, get over it -_-)

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:26:13 PM

lol i'm a fanboy too, which is why i refused to reward NT, maybe if they didn't bash ps3 owner i would have considered it.

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DjEezzy
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:24:50 PM
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I'm definitely going to give this game a shot. It looks like alot of fun. I don't mind if a game is 6 or 8 or 10 hours long because honestly... I don't have the time to invest 30 hours into a game. With two kids and Dj'ing as well as the wife and work. I just don't have the time. I would buy the game if i actually had money to buy it with. Unfortunately all of the above doesn't leave me with much spending money. I definitely have to choose wisely now a days. I'm sure alot of you can relate.
When i do buy it usually is the games that i can get the most bang for my buck on. Like games with multiplayer and games like FIFA because of the long ass career mode it has plus online. I'll probably buy Castlevania when it drops in price though because i hear it is ridiculously long for a single player game.

I have to agree with ben though. His reviews are some of the most honest reviews i've come across. Of course everyone has their own preferences but i don't think he's ever tried to steer anyone in the wrong direction with his reviews and recommendations. LIke Jawknee said, just becuase its not a 30 hour game doesn't mean its not a good game. I've seen plenty of shorter games that blow the socks off of longer games. I'm not going to say anyting but i'm just sayin. LOL

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The CEO
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:39:41 PM
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I could not get past the loose controls and repetition of the demo. I know repetition probably wont be a factor in the full game but something about the controls just really put me off. Just too loose or something. To each his own though.

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Mista
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:53:46 PM
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I litterally just went to Target for the 2 for 1 sale and was stuck between picking FFXIII, Rock Band 3, New Vegas, or Enslaved as my free game. Honestly Enslaved was the 1st one I put back on the shelf.

I got FallOut 3 goty and Red Dead so New Vegas was the next go. Bethesda will add DLC to Vegas no doubt so that can wait for next year. My old guitar from RB 2 needs replaced so will get the guitar and game bundle for Xmas. I've wanted FFXIII since release but from the reviews and info from users from here I wanted to wait till was lower in price and I can't beat free so choose it.

I almost got Vanquish but my cousin and my other buds are grabbin black ops so I might get that and figured at least it has sp and mp which beats out a short sp camp on vanquish IMO. As for NT I have my day 1 preorder copy of HS and would have bought HS2 d1p if had released. Looking into Castlevania for Xmas and don't think Enslaved will make my gaming list anytime soon with all the games on my wanted list for next yr.

Nothing I've read on any reviews make Enslaved seem to be a must have game, especially compared to all the recent and upcomings AAA titles that are comin 2011.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:10:00 PM

Vanquish is pretty good. A bit short for fun none the less. The dialog is funny and for some reason it reminds me of the old Resident Evil games. Not as far as gameplay or atmosphere but how characters interact. The directing too. Obviously its because its a Mikami game.

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Roach721
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:55:10 PM
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If it was $20 dollars it might be worth it, the demo sucked.It was quite boring I thought.

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Kiri
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:56:10 PM
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Is this number correct?
Man, they must feel like idiots for complaining about 1,5 million...

The game isn't what i'd call impressive and the demo didn't make me wanna buy it, so i'll save my money for something better...

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opium
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 1:58:38 PM
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tbh i think all the reviews were too generous,the game has too many problems to overlook,screen tear was bad,framerate bad,sound issues bad,i`d honestly hate to see what ninja theory will do to the next devil may cry if they get their hands on it

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Fabi
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:05:47 PM

I was a big fan of the demo, but the game is so damn repetitive. Yeah the story is pretty decent, but what the hell is up with the ending?

I also never felt like I was really fighting against something I wanted to destroy, the only enemies you seem to fight throughout are faceless robots.

I wanted to get revenge for Trip, but found no one to kill that seemed like they truly deserved it.

The platforming was really only for looks, there was no freedom in it, and while the upgrading was decent, the combat was just so simple and plain, and every battle felt the same.

I don't play multiplayer games unless they are called FIFA. I'm one of the few who wants to play a good campaign, but after beating Enslaved, I didn't really feel a sense of accomplishment, it kinda just ended.

Plus the last stage was also repetitive and tedious. The puzzles sucked throughout.

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:08:04 PM

If they don't ditch Unreal or get some people from 2K/Irrational Games to show them how to use Unreal, i think it's safe to say they will probably botch DMC.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:50:09 PM

Then let us pray the failure of Enslaved mean NT will have no choice but to close down.

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oONewcloudOo
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:10:04 PM
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well since the game sold piss poor we might get a HS2 :D

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Scarecrow
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 1:26:33 AM

Wooooh!

Though I've lost faith in them. Sony Santa Monica would do a waaaay better job with a HS2 sequel.

Imagine GOWIII quality graphics and gameplay *faints*

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tridon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:21:53 PM
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This is what you get when you get greedy.

Ninja Theory complained that Heavenly Sword's sales of 1.5 million wasn't enough so they say, 'No more exclusivity, we're going multi-platform!"

The result: a new game using the age-old Unreal Engine and only 150,000 sales. I can guarantee that if they would've released Enslaved as a PS3-exclusive, it would've easily had another 1.5 million sales or more.

However, by going multi, they had no PS3 sales because of a glitchy port (as well as PS3 fans feeling betrayed) and they had no 360 sales because Enslaved is neither a shooter nor a sports game. Doesn't help that it was released against the new Castlevania, either.

I hope this doesn't close down Ninja Theory but by looking at these sales numbers and the early fan response for their DmC reboot, the nail in their coffin may not be too far away.

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:25:05 PM
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Everyone i've asked doesnt want a game that holds your hand the whole way through.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:26:31 PM

Only the platforming. Combat...no.

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Fabi
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:30:20 PM

The combat doesn't give you that much freedom either, it's pretty simple. Plus you never really take on the big bosses, you just knock stuff over and let them knock stuff over and kill them that way. You don't really break them down yourself.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:36:05 PM
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I still plan to get this at some point. But I would like my just dues. Let's face it: I was right. You may now honor me :)

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DjEezzy
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:43:51 PM
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Haters throw salt like rice at a wedding!!!

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Jawknee
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:48:39 PM

Yea because us "haters" couldn't possibly have legitimate reason for passing on this game.

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kraygen
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 2:44:53 PM
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I'm sorry, but I played the demo and while it has pretty good graphics, it has the same flaws that every other unreal engine 3 game has.

The game isn't very long and it just doesn't feel worth $60. Personally after playing the demo I just wasn't impressed. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't over the top either.

You say there aren't a lot of story driven games and while that may be true today, Fallout: new vegas is story driven and in my opinion offers better gameplay and without a doubt many more hours of play time.

I have limited funds and Enslaved just isn't worth my $60.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:26:03 PM

It's about 8 or 9 hours...hardly much shorter than Uncharted 2. And if you didn't play the game, how do you know how long it is...?

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Fabi
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:32:08 PM

You cannot compare Enslaved to Uncharted 2... come on...

Plus Uncharted 2 has multiplayer and co-op and in my opinion, gameplay and sequences that are worth playing over at least 2-3 times.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:55:58 PM

That's subjective. You can't bash a game based on length alone, which is what everyone wants to do without even playing the game. It happened with Modern Warfare, did it not...? A game that has all sorts of multiplayer options to enhance longevity...? And yet, everyone here hates it because it's "too short."

...sounds to me like you can pick and choose what's "too short" and what isn't, based on preset notions. Never a good idea.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:29:34 PM

Thanks Ben for having input on what I always preach about mw2!

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The X Factor 9
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 3:42:00 PM
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To be honest, I think PS3 owners would have embraced this title so much more if it had stayed exclusive. Ninja Theory had begun to build bridges with the hardcore PS3 community and instead chose to $hit the bed and "take the money and run".

Instead, PS3 owners (me included) feel that for $60, you can do a whole lot more with your money. I almost NEVER spend a full $60 on multi-platform games because their price usually drops quickly.

Ben, add me to the list of people who will be willing to buy at game at a $19.99 price point.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:05:47 PM
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Another question is that would Enslaved sold more if it was a PS3 exclusive? Maybe.
Like some above listed, there's a few but logical reasons.
They really should ditch the UE3, the fact that they're using it for DmC is awful enough.
Visually they can make a game pretty but is the screen-tearing and popping so bad it can affect your experience with the game?

My reason for passing this game is that I don't think it's worth it at the moment, there's not much replay value if 8 or 9 hours and then no special stage or multiplayer or bonus challenge.

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Deathb4Dishonor
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:15:47 PM
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I thought the demo was ok but i haven't had the chance to play the whole game... But not to be an ass but i'm kinda glad they sold 150,000 worldwide... Mayb now they can be more appreciative to the 1.5 million ppl who bought heavenly sword but wasn't enough for them... Mayb now they'll really consider making heavenly sword 2

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:39:15 PM

no, i think HS2 will go to santa monica, since sony owns the IP.

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big6
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 4:44:59 PM
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Well, I posted my pros and cons for this, after playing the demo and, from the sounds of the reviews, those points were validated in the final release.
Sad, really...

I'm probably still going to buy this game in the future, but time isn't waiting for anyone, and next in line for me is Assassin's Creed and GT5.
After that, I'll be prepping for Killzone 3.

So, realistically, it'll be after KZ3, before I look at both Vanquish and Enslaved. I'll be getting both, for sure.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:10:06 PM
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Seems as if you don't know gamers as well as you think you do. Not trying to take a jab, but even I myself had to laugh at the article saying to go buy Enslaved. While I respect you are a gamer yourself, this proves we all have different tastes. I am sure you know this. I love this website and visit every day, however, sometimes I do shake my head when I see things like this. Your review of the game should have been enough.

As for Enslaved, I'll eventually play it, but it wont be until the price is at a more respectable point for the length of the game. While I enjoyed the demo very much, the game lacked everything Heavenly Sword had, including graphics. Maybe if you own only a 360 this game would be super amazing for you, but if you've played HS it's nothing new. This is solely point at Ninja Theory.

So many other games have come out that have blown this away, sadly. Ninja Theory deserves the bad karma considering they bad mouthed how Heavenly Swords sales were sub par. At least now they know what sub par sales feel like. Here's looking at the future of Devil May Cry. Maybe they might get some great sales from it. :(

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:52:17 PM

Sounds to me like you're comparing Enslaved to Heavenly Sword. ...any time someone does that, I know they haven't played both, because it's a ridiculous comparison. One is trying to be God of War; the other is trying to be more like Uncharted. Sort of a big difference.

Also, I'm not telling anyone to buy the game. I'm saying it shouldn't be ignored and dismissed as easily as it has been. I don't expect you to shake your head at something that asks gamers to pay attention to a product besides the blockbusters. If you want to encourage Call of Duty to rule the world, go ahead and scoff at articles like this. Be my guest.

I find it incredible that anybody who claims to be any sort of avid gamer can declaim and pass judgment on a game he has apparently never touched, outside the demo, which in no WAY showed off what that game was about.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:19:29 PM

Wow Ben, I must say, you are a very arrogant and judgemental person. I'll have you know that I was one of the original forum members of Ninja Theory's great game before it even came to the light of day. Nothing to really brag about, but I still own the first print copy to this day. So next time be a little careful on your judgements. I respect what Ninja Theory has done and will continue to do. However, liking them doesn't mean I have to eat up all of their games.

Me not having shelled out 60 bucks on Ninja Theorys latest game doesn't make me ignorant to what a good game can be. Just shows you that I make critical decisions before I choose to pick up a game. Sorry we all can't have the cushy review copy sent to us by these big companies.

Also I notice you had to bring up Call of Duty into this. Why? You honestly think I'm a FPS junkie? Again another thing you honestly do not know. While I respect your opinion and your reviews and your awesome designed website, it's this type of attitude that makes me shake my head when I come on here.

As for what the demo showcased. Why don't we make a little comparison for fun. Heavenly Swords demo extremely short and yet the game still went on to sell millions of copies, despite it being a 6 hour game. So while I do agree that demos are not the entire game, it is a presentation that will influence a potential customer in deciding whether or not they will run out and spend 60 dollars on a game. Sorry not all can be like Uncharted 2. Which from the Demo of Enslaved was painfully obvious what NT was trying to do.

Maybe if you'd like to know what kind of gamer I am you could look me up on PSN: DIsmael85. I welcome you to enlighten yourself with the types of games I have played. It would actually be an honor for you to do so. I still think you are an awesome person. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:29:54 PM

Don't condescend to talk to me that way and don't accuse me of something I'm not.

The Call of Duty comment has nothing to do with you. It was a general comment as an explanation, to another wrong accusation of yours, that I'm "telling people to buy the game."

You say you didn't play Enslaved and yet, you're the one passing full judgment and then making it sound like me, someone who has finished the game, isn't allowed to voice an opinion, while you're still allowed to lecture. You're ignorant of the game because you haven't played it. I'm ignorant of any game where I've only played the demo...you, however, can't even admit that.

The only one who's being arrogant is you. Do NOT reply unless you're willing to concede a very obvious point.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:56:17 PM

I'm talking condescending? Maybe you should take one good look inward. Maybe that "I know Gamers" attitude could prove a little something.

You brought up Call of Duty clearly because of my previous comments on topics about the game. It's so painfully obvious. However, I will not dwell on it. No matter my opinion on Enslaved the game still failed to meet expectations. It's written all over this article.

You say you didn't play Enslaved and yet, you're the one passing full judgment and then making it sound like me, someone who has finished the game, isn't allowed to voice an opinion, while you're still allowed to lecture. You're ignorant of the game because you haven't played it. I'm ignorant of any game where I've only played the demo...you, however, can't even admit that.

How about we take off the rage glasses for a bit and read over my comments. You have full right to express your opinion. In doing so, I have full right to express my opinion on yours. Your thought on "Knowing Gamers" is what has made me comment. While you know yourself and your friends, you couldn't possible know all gamers as you have proved you know nothing about the games in which I play. Sure we can all make generalizations. However, unless you actually take time to know which games I play it's a bad judgment call.

I can't call myself arrogant, not something I will even begin to admit to. However, I will call myself informed in the industry of gaming. I don't just confine myself to look at this website as I am all over the Internet. I read and listen before I will make any comments. What I generally see is so much Fanboyism and hatred flying around, it's a wonder games even sell at all.

Again, you can feel free to look me up. It'll give you a better understanding of my personal game choices. I in no way claim to be the all knowing, all mighty game guru. I just play games and make choices on what to buy based on personal preference. I have stated I will be buying Enslaved, just not for 60 bucks. However, feel free to lend me your review copy if you feel you must have everyone try it out. I would be more than happy to accept. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:05:40 PM

Great. Now, do me a favor and point to where I wrote, "I know gamers."

Really. Please do that. As it's the crux of your entire argument, it's sort of essential to prove that I said it, or that I even think it. YOU put such words into my mouth and read something into the article above that isn't there.

But please. Any day you'd like to find that comment I supposedly made, feel free to let me know. By the way, I referred to CoD in a comment above as well; it's a comparison. It has nothing to do with you. But again, you're obviously going to believe what you want to believe.

You didn't play the game. I did. No, you are not in the same position to offer an opinion and/or recommendation. I have NO idea why you can't simply admit this. Is it that hard for you?

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:13:19 PM

"Let me ask you a question: how often do you see me falling out of touch with "what gamers want?"

So let me ask you what makes you think you know what gamers want? Just curious Ben. I could nitpick all day long.


"You didn't play the game. I did. No, you are not in the same position to offer an opinion and/or recommendation. I have NO idea why you can't simply admit this. Is it that hard for you?"

I can offer my opinion on your article all day long as I have sat here and read over it. Whether or not I decide to go out and purchase the game at full price is my ultimate decision. I am not telling anyone to buy or try this game. However, I am commenting on that statement quoted first. I have been in various debates with you over "Knowing Gamers" as I feel that you don't know gamers. People have made various comments on why they will not play this game. Or why they wont just yet. I'm in the category of "Will Play", but will not send 60 bucks to do so. I read reviews, however, I do not use them as my deciding factor. It's good to get another opinion on something.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:37:10 PM

That statement translates to "I know gamers" in your mind, huh? Has nothing to do with that I try to keep a gamer's best interests at heart when reviewing a game, but becomes a blanket statement to support your own incorrect observation...?

I just don't understand why you think playing a demo puts you in a position of judgment, and why you think anything in the article above is out of line. I think it's all in your head.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:42:52 PM

Hm. So you try and put the best interest of the gamer in mind by making an article telling everyone to go out and give this game a try. Ok, but the best interest for most is not to shell out the 60 dollar price tag right now. But what do I know, I only work very hard for my money and have to choose between lively hood and a good game.

Just saying playing a demo gives me a really good idea if I'm going to take 59.99 plus tax to invest in something like that. I don't know, I guess I'm not looking in the right trees where the money is growing. :(

Again, if you would like to send me your copy so that I can experience this game, I would be thrilled. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:11:39 PM

.....and I said everyone should pay $60 for it? I said that, too?

People can rent it. They can ask for it as a gift (mentioned that in the article).

Money seems to be a hot-button issue for a lot of people...and it seems to be affecting their ability to objectively judge games based on length vs. quality.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:23:12 PM

Hey man, cool off a bit. I didn't say you told anyone to spend the 60 bucks. I said telling everyone to try it.

Oh wait I said that here: "Hm. So you try and put the best interest of the gamer in mind by making an article telling everyone to go out and give this game a try."

I've noticed a huge amount of ridiculing from you on above statements that I don't believe deserved it.

Example: "Nowhere do I imply anything that goes along with your ridiculous idea.

But by your amazingly elitist logic, according to the all-knowing, all-powerful, always-superior-to critics gaming populace, all games that sell poorly suck.

Interesting observation, that. I'll be sure to call Tim Schafer and let him know."

I just don't find it cool. And before you point the finger that I did the same, yes I did indeed. Right after a reply to my comment. I have stated numerous times that I respect you and love this place. How about showing the same. We can debate without all that.

The more I read your comments, the more it seems like no one else can say anything to your opinion. Definitely not saying you cannot have one, let me make that clear. It's just that we are all different people, and while some may have felt this game worthy of the price tag others did not. We have that right.

I will say this one more time, I will be purchasing this game at another time. Let us all just get along. Sorry Ninja Theory missed the mark this time. :(

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:05:20 PM

"Seems as if you don't know gamers as well as you think you do. Not trying to take a jab, but even I myself had to laugh at the article saying to go buy Enslaved."

Thanks for your opinion. It's just so very diplomatic and it certainly requires that I don't defend myself against your laughing and false accusations.

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DIsmael85
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 12:41:41 AM

Ok, so taking what I started out with and pasting it again proves? My whole point has been dragged out time and time again. I wont press anymore. Obviously we'll end up doing this dance forever.

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Fabi
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 11:21:27 AM

I'm in the same boat man, while I've been a member of this site for years and enjoy for the most part Ben's articles & reviews, I also think he just has this attitude about always thinking he's right, and back in the day it was worse because everyone on here would back him up on anything he said, making whatever you posted seem ridiculous.

Now I see a lot of more people disagreeing and not getting bashed for doing so.

I know you're incredibly smart Ben, but damn I don't think I have ever seen you show any humility and while I can't say you have never admitted being wrong or admitted being completely off the mark (because I don't read all the articles or all the comments), I can honestly say I have never read a comment with you admitting that on second thought maybe you were wrong.

Like always, I'm a fan of the site for life either way.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 2:58:00 PM

If you ask me, I think everyone just plain old doesn't understand one another. Everyone just keeps focusing on one or two points the other meant without observing the whole package.

@DIsmael85
When I read ben's statement about asking how often he's out of touch with gamers, I immediately thought of his latest "Good, Bad, and Ugly" additions to reviews. I can see how you misinterpreted what he said, but I think if you consider the entirety of the article and his comments, I'm pretty sure he's referring to the fact that he tries to take the time to say who will and won't like the title.

For example: His latest Naruto review, he wasn't big on the title himself, but he fully admitted it was pure fan-service. Fans would love it and should pick it up. He does this type of thing regularly, and for that insight, I believe he is often in touch with gamers. Afterall, he is one. (By the way, he thinks CoD is a good title and his reviews reflect that... I don't think he's hating on CoD at all. Occasionally the business practices of Activision, but not the games)

I actually willing to bet Ben doesn't remember a single one of your CoD posts from the past... there's too many of those from everyone. So I don't think it's all that obvious.

Finally, I don't really remember Ben saying everyone needs to buy it. He said it shouldn't be ignored. No one discusses it for various reasons. Only 150k have been sold. Ben simply feels it deserves to be noticed and that it has been swept under the rug under the shadow of other high quality titles. That's all.

@Ben
Although I perfectly understand you getting defensive, (DIsmael85 started out his response very offensively, and although he tried to tame it down at the end to seem 'nicer', even I felt like he was attacking you until the last sentence...) I don't think his opinion is necessarily wrong. I just think he grossly misinterpreted your opinion, and in trying to correct it, I think through reading, you just missed the one or two points that would have made it more obvious.

@Fabi
Are you seriously gonna be one of those cowards that hates on Ben and waits for someone to insult him then jump on the bandwagon? Dude.... not cool.

I have never read Ben to have an "elitist" attitude. The only time he defends himself vehemently, is on editorials! Which are written about his opinion, for the most part! People like you hate on him and call him elitist because you think he's trying to deliver an "editorial" as if it were news...

Additionally, he only refuses to accept another person's opinion (at least in my experience) if they offer little to no reason for it! It happens ALL the time... people attack his editorials or reviews, and back up their reasoning with excuses like "cuz it sux" or by laying down some lame blanket statement.

And no one has ever blindly defended him. MOST people disagree with him from time to time, but I bet if you polled the regulars, a majority of them would agree with his insight 75%+ of the time. (Which is a huge approval rating for a critic)

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Fabi
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 3:08:50 PM

Please man, how does that make me a coward? Is Ben gonna come through the screen and bite me?

I would tell that to anyone's face, I've actually said it before, but every time I brought it up, the kids always go up in arms about it.

I'm not saying he's a bad dude, I've been known to be stubborn myself, but I can admit it. It has always just seemed like Ben thinks he's right because HE SAYS so. And just because he says so, YOU'RE WRONG and what you're saying is ridiculous and there is no way that he's wrong.

Just like how he thinks that Killzone 2 is what every FPS wants to be like, and talks about it like if the industry looks at it like the pinnacle of FPS this generation. And he pretty much states that as a fact and not an opinion.

I've been reading and posting for I dunno how many years and have seen people point out things to Ben and I seriously can't recall a single time where Ben admitted guilt or said something like, "yeah, maybe you're right".

Either way, it's his world and I just live in it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 8:42:36 PM

Effing BS, Fabi. Want a hundred members to put a hole in your ridiculous theory right now? Or should I just do it? I say I'm wrong about something ten times a week. I've done entire articles about how I was wrong about something. I thought Move was going to be terrible and admitted I was wrong with Sports Champions. I thought inFamous wouldn't be impressive; I admitted I was wrong. I said I never thought the PSN would be worth anything to me; I was wrong. Entire articles. On how I was wrong.

So shut it. This has nothing to do with whether I'm "wrong" or "right." It's about recommending a game to be played and someone getting all personal. End of story. You want my respect? Don't give in to crap like "oh, your opinion is always right" when someone shows up to insult me.

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Fabi
Saturday, November 06, 2010 @ 1:54:42 AM

I don't mean in articles, I MEAN IN ARGUMENTS.

When someone points out a flaw in your article, and please don't tell me to shut it. I have an opinion, and I don't care if you take offense to it. I'm not being disrespectful, I'm just saying how I have always felt that you act.

So don't tell me to shut it, cause I guarantee you that you wouldn't talk to me like that in person.

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hehateme
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 5:31:21 PM
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i bought it used so i wouldnt give them another sale... lol mean huh o well those Devs were sounding alot like aaron greenberg bashing the ps3 and for that one reason i got it used...

other notable factors that may have led to my decision
- dante

face it everyone needs a reality check now and then and well this is a prime example

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:00:49 PM
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I just have one question- am I the only one here who played Enslaved for more than 5 minutes?

I see a lot of outright judgment from people who did nothing more than play a demo or read a review. ...I find that disappointing.

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ace_boon_coon
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:06:42 PM

i have, and that game is straight basura.

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PasteNuggs
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:25:37 PM

i have played it and like i stated earlier i think it was one my favorite games this year. Def not GOTY quality but the story and gameplay was was really good. My problem is that i dont think people get that devs are trying to tell a story and that if they push extra time into a story it can ruin a game just as easily as it being to short

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:21:56 PM

Well in defense of those who read reviews, maybe a higher score would have prompted those to have more interest? Maybe? I'm just saying.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:38:47 PM

Heavenly Sword averages about 80% in review scores at Metacritic. Enslaved averages close to 83%.

So, maybe you can also admit you only choose to believe the reviews that coincide with your own biased notions.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:40:01 PM

Well, I for one haven't bought the game yet, but I was happy with the demo.
And if the demo wasn't as good as the actual game itself, than it's just another plus for me when I do pick it up.

I just have add it after the holidays, cause I can't do any of my usual big hunts for any new batches of games till another big check comes in.

So for right now, I'm just contently chipping away at my PS2 & other older console collections, by buying small bunches of ultra-cheap used games.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:01:20 PM

I don't believe reviews. Which is why I still bought Medal of Honor despite you guys reviewing it as garbage compared to Enslaved. The fact that I could get more bang for my hard earned dollar is what led me to buying it. Just saying in defense of those who read reviews and didn't purchase it. 83% surely doesn't sound like I'm going out immediately to buy this especially when Castlevania was a much better game. Just saying.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:08:01 PM

Won't even do the simplest bit of research, eh?

We gave MoH an 8.6 and defended it BIG TIME from detractors. We gave Enslaved an 8.4.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:16:36 PM

Whoops my bad, was including the general consensus of reviews on Medal of Honor. Sorry about that. The game was overly enjoyable though. :)

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Deleted User
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 6:47:46 PM
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I bought the game on Day One and I'm up to Chapter 9. The game is good but I liked Heavenly Sword better.

I somehow wonder if people were turned off by Ninja Theory's whining about HS sales. Perhaps PS3 loyalists weren't happy about Ninja Theory's decision to make the game on the 360 as well. Those might be factors.

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RebelJD
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:25:02 PM
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Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe Ninja Theory should have made it a PS3 exclusive, lol.

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:31:52 PM
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And lets not forget that gamers just don't have the same kind of money that they used to when they have to fuel their habit with this....

http://www.amazon.com/CytoSport-Twitch-Power-Workout-2-04-Pound/dp/B000G723MK



=p

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opium
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 7:50:28 PM
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i pre ordered the game played & plat`d it,i also own heavenly sword which i honestly think is a far better game,i do think ninja theory should have learnt by now how to develop for the ps3 tho,i dont mind that there`s screen tear on heavenly sword,as it was their 1st game on the ps3,but to not improve on anything 3 years on just says poor development to me,

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Gordo
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:00:13 PM
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I think Enslaved has just fallen through the cracks. Gamers as consumers are always making subjective choices on their purchases.

Someone I'm sure could come up with a decent formula for gamers purchasing:

(Price + Length + Multiplayer) * (Type of Game + Graphics + Gameplay + Story) * (Reviews + Peer Pressure + Competition) = Purchase

We all have a finite amount of money that is available for gaming so it's nothing personal if a game doesn't sell well. It may just not hit too many gamers buttons!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:39:49 PM
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Find it real interesting that Enslaved, which holds a HIGHER average review score than Heavenly Sword, gets bashed while HS is held up like some glorious piece of gaming.

...guys, don't be so obviously slanted towards PS3 exclusives. Please. It's a little embarrassing.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 8:57:49 PM

Maybe because Heavenly Sword was just better. And it has been out a lot longer and has no doubt sold millions of copies?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:06:16 PM

Keep trying to back-pedal. It never works but by all means, give it a shot.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:15:17 PM

I'm just saying Ben. Just saying. That's awesome the game got an 83% on Metacritic *round of applause* Guess it didn't really help out in the end. :(

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Scarecrow
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:34:29 PM

It doesn't matter. Ben you're acting as if Enslaved's ten times better than Heavenly Sword.

They're in the same league in terms of quality.

One could argue that Heavenly Sword is better. At least it had outstanding audio quality as opposed to stereo audio quality (on ps3).

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:38:22 PM

I'm not acting as if Enslaved is "ten times better." I SCORED HS HIGHER. HS also sold a million and a half copies. It wasn't exactly ignored so you wouldn't see articles like this.

Everyone here is acting as if Heavenly Sword is a superior gem while Enslaved sucks. That's wrong.

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Gordo
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:51:55 PM

True, a lot of people seem to be too black and white. "Enslaved is a multiplat piece of crap"... "Vanquish is not worth it for 4 hours"...

The gaming community throws a lot of mud and some of it sticks... In this Internet age it seems like the more you shout sometimes, the more people listen.

Game developers must be sometimes totally bamboozled when something they have worked on for years is shot down in flames.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:00:04 PM

@Gordo: I see this happening to the new DmC. It's just that everyone was really hoping for a HS2, while I always doubted they would, I never expected the amount of hogwash from them just recently. I still respect their creativity. I admire their art and time. However, their sudden arrogance of the company is maybe what led to this type of karma. I can't absolutely say, but I still like them to this day. I think Trip is a beautifully designed female character and love her voice.

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spiderboi
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:33:30 PM

I think fact of the matter is: HS, for the time of its release, was a real gem and had quite a niche market of following. But Enslaved, on the other hand, has to put up with comparisons vs Uncharted 2 and the likes, which have put people's opinion on the game.

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Thinker
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:03:01 PM
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I bought Enslaved (Actually, I pre-ordered Enslaved and Castlevania Limited Ed both) and have had them since release. I, too, finished it on Hard.

The story and characters are good, as is the art style. The ending was quite predictable (or maybe that's just a result of me being an avid movie-watcher) though.

As for the graphics issues, the less said the better, and as others on here have said, this did detract from my enjoyment of the game to some extent. IMO, Heavenly Sword has much better graphics (I should know, I own both).

Looks like Ninja Theory, like Capcom, decided to go with an engine that allows relatively quick and easy development on the 360, and the result is a bit of an underachievement compared to their previous endeavour. Also, Monkey seemed to have an amazing amount of inertia, in that sometimes it took ages for a Controller action to transform into an on-screen reaction.

All that said, however, I do agree that the game is very enjoyable, and I'm just a sucker for lush, green, colorful environments in post-apocalyptic scenarios.

I wholly agree with Ben - despite its technical shortcomings, Enslaved is a good enough new IP to be encouraged (instead of just supporting the usual tat that is COD - although I admit I have that on pre-order too :) ).

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Temjin001
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:07:08 PM

You really found the ending predictable? I don't see how anyone could've predicted how Enslaved would end and be right about it.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 9:19:52 PM
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They desrve it, on the ps3 side at least.

*The game outputs stereo sound only
*A lot of screen tearing
*Ok gameplay
*Ninja Theory's arrogant attitud
*Whining that Heavenly Sword didn't sell well
*Bitching 'bout 3D not being good since they'd have to sacrifice resolution (yet they're gonna add 3D to Enslaved, lol)
*Stepping all over the DMC fanbase
*Wanting to turn Kai into an old woman

Learn to run a company Ninja Theory

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:05:07 PM
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I'm disappointed Ben, lately you've been "pushing" or saying hey, everyone, your not giving this title enough love, why not.

I'm of the opposite opinion of Enslaved, and it's going to stay that way. There's been a few other cases aswell.

I'm not really liking this trend.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:09:21 PM

Odd. Can't remember the last time I wrote any such article. Care to give me a link?

Considering that all I've done over the past few weeks is write reviews for mediocre games, none of which I'd ever want to defend, I'd love to know what the hell you're talking about.

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DIsmael85
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 10:13:09 PM

While I don't agree with his initial post. You might want to calm down a tad bit. Using "Hell" is getting a little out of hand. Not that I can dictate how you run your site, but I don't think using profanity on any level isn't a good idea. I totally respect you Ben and your website. You're a good person by me. I like having these types of debates, as it lets me get to know everyone a bit better. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:08:24 PM

There is no profanity.

Have you noticed that you haven't been able to concede a single solitary point? You first claimed I ordered people to buy Enslaved, then when it was clear I didn't, you tried to say it never happened. Then you said you didn't pass any judgment on a game you never played when in fact, it's the first thing you did. You assumed I related CoD to you in some way, and I didn't.

Nowhere did I insult you and all you keep doing in every post is saying, "calm down." I've always been calm. I'm waiting for you to prove any point whatsoever without making a ton of false accusations against me.

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DIsmael85
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 12:43:50 AM

Got'cha capt. Will back down for now since there is obviously some sort of confusion.

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Underdog15
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 3:10:23 PM

"Using "Hell" is getting a little out of hand."

And you accused Ben of being elitest? ... well... i tried to show you some understanding...

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, November 04, 2010 @ 11:16:01 PM
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I don't want to see any more posts in this thread. Most people who are familiar with the front page of Comments understood the article. One or two decided to show up and make personal "observations" that weren't only untrue, but also insulting.

Opinions are always welcome. The next time you want to make it personal, either e-mail me or DO NOT POST. You're not allowed to attack other posters and that sort of goes for staff, too.

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Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 2:36:13 AM
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biggest disappointment with enslaved was the combat and the story.
NT are famous for those things, they nailed both in heavenly sword so everyone was expecting the same.
the combat is so simplistic, and your fighting the same enemies throughout the whole game, even the boss fights get repetitive.
the characters feel really thin too, in heavenly sword i really developed a relationship with all the characters, really felt for them but enslaved did not do that to me.
i was expecting enslaved to be heavenly sword in a uncharted setting, but what i got was uncharted with different combat.
have to applaud them for the ending though, it was both shocking, unexpected and really makes you think.
leaves the conclusion up to the players interpretation, which i like.
shame not many games do that, have something happen than leave it up to the player to form his interpretation on it.

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Lawless SXE
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 4:14:32 AM
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No more posts Ben. That's not fair, I haven't had my two cents... And yes, I did just take the time to read every single comment on here. What a polarised experience it was.

To be honest, I wholeheartedly agree with the article. Enslaved is a gem of a game, and one that I feel has really underperformed. I can't deny that it had its shortcomings, but like Fallout 3, it manages to overcome them. It's a very rare experience indeed. A crime. That is the best way to describe the appalling treatment of this game. It does deserve to do better, regardless of what NT has said or done.

I get the feeling that this will turn out to be one of this generation's ICOs. A gem that is passed on by many, but ends up with an extremely loyal fanbase that is willing to defend its merits until the bitter end, and I will be proud to stand alongside them.
Peace.

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Gordo
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 8:07:48 AM
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I agree with Lawless... Enslaved is a game that will polarise opinion. I am shocked at its slow take up 150K world wide?

It's a game that definately should sell a million at least. If not then it's us the gamers that will suffer in the long term.

There are not enough cinematic, character driven storey games out there at the moment. We are trying to be an adult, mature industry so we need to embrace such games.

I think however, that it is a game that has totally fallen through the cracks. It may be a poor timeslot as it may have benefited from being released a few months earlier when there was nothing else on the radar.

Gamers now are playing Vanquish, Fallout New Vegas, Castlevania and waiting for COD Black Ops and GT5. We can't really be blamed for acting as "economic rationalists"...

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Underdog15
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 3:15:25 PM
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I would probably pick it up, if I didn't have to make a big payment on my house insurance this month.... >.< I'm almost glad GT5 got delayed a couple paychecks. lol

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X_shadowkilla_X
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 9:16:36 PM
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Enslaved shouldn't be ignored and it shouldn't be bought either (at least not at full price) instead it should be rented

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nogoat23
Tuesday, November 09, 2010 @ 11:16:54 AM
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Not sure how long the deal is going to last, but it's $25 on Amazon today.

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