Is GT5 The Last System Seller For PlayStation 3?

As the world braces for the impact caused by Gran Turismo 5 this week, it's probably safe to assume that PlayStation 3 sales will see a nice little spike. In truth, this franchise has always been one of the top reasons to own a PlayStation console; I still remember how important Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec was to the early career of the PS2.

And of course, fans of both GT and PlayStation have been waiting for GT5 since the start of the generation. But now that we're exactly four years into the PS3's lifespan (from the North American viewpoint, at least), I'm wondering if the game in question is the very last system-seller. In other words, is it the last PS3 exclusive that finally pushes someone over the top and convinces them to buy Sony's console? Think about it- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots was a legitimate console pusher and by now, the entire world should be aware of the greatness of the Uncharted franchise. Who the heck needs Uncharted 3 to prove they need a PS3? Then there were people lying in wait for Final Fantasy XIII but as that went to the 360, it wasn't exactly the system-seller one might've expected.

By now, the purchase of a PS3 for any serious gamer has long since been justified. The cost is half the price it was at launch, Blu-Ray is the one and only in the world of high definition, the Network is basically on par with Xbox Live (and surpasses it when it comes to exclusive downloadable games, in my eyes), the reliability has remained quite solid over the years, and the overall exclusive greatness is undeniable. In addition to the games listed above, there's inFamous, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2 (sequels for all slated for 2011), several stellar Ratchet & Clank installments, the quality Resistance series, God of War III finally came and rocked our worlds, Demon's Souls was a Godsend for hardcore role-players everywhere, and Heavy Rain was innovation personified and was received extremely well this year. And of course, Gran Turismo 5 hits this week.

Look, if you can't find a reason to own a PS3 now, you're A. not a big gamer, and B. likely won't be swayed by anything else in the future. GT5 might be the last big boost for the PS3; from now on, it will come down to more price reductions in the hardware and the growing library to convince a bunch of late adopters. I'm just not sure there's one single huge title on the horizon that can, this late in the day, be considered a "system seller." Really, if you can't find a reason yet...

Related Game(s): Gran Turismo 5

Tags: gt5, gran turismo 5, ps3, playstation 3, gt5 ps3

11/21/2010 9:33:32 PM Ben Dutka

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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:01:20 PM
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Hmmm. I wasnt sure about the title at first, but you make a good point, Ben. Its not that GT5 is the last incredible game the ps3 will have, but its the last hurdle this generation. We've seen excellent shooters, RPGs, action/adventure games, etc. A great racing sim is the only thing the ps3 hasnt seen so far (Shift was good, but its no GT replacement by a long shot).

So i agree, if GT5 doesnt make someone want to buy a ps3 there is no game that will.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:18:40 PM

I believe people who like racing games will buy it, and the hardcore car enthuthiast.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:02:33 PM
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I think the PS3 is just getting started, especially the exclusives.

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:09:50 PM

Yea, me too. I think Ps3 has a lot more to do, it's tol much to do in one 'lifetime' lol

We still ne Cross-Game chat & Agent, KILLZONE3, LBP2, inFAMOUS2, SOCOM4, MOVE titles, legendary status, FIRMWARE UPDATES, and more in my eyes... Maybe there working on a ne MGS who knows?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:27:39 PM

Unless Agent somehow blows the minds of the entire world, none of that will move big numbers.

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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:02:30 PM

Nobody is denying that, its jsut that GT5 is the only kind of game the Ps3 has been missing. If someone doesnt want a ps3 for christmas this year they probably never will.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:04:15 PM

We don't know that for sure World, the future is unpredictable anything could happen.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:08:08 PM

Killzone 2 and inFamous were the reasons to own a PS3; if they weren't interested the first time around, people probably don't care about the sequels by now.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:10:20 PM

You guys need to be more positive, I'm sure people are going to buy a PS3 and new games will move some units but we don't know how much we can't predict whats going to happen and yes some people won't buy a PS3 but there will be others who will, that's how things work people like things some will not like it.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:13:26 PM

@Ben

Indeed, we don't know what is driving them, it could be fanboy intent or it's just not what they like. But people will pick the games up and system.

What i like is if one doesn't like it there is always some one else who will.

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Temjin001
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:27:25 PM

Yeah, I hope this gen sits and bakes longer. When I play something like Uncharted 2 and GoW3 (and soon to be GT5). I'm convinced that until the average game can at least approach their level in design and overall quality there's a long ways to go before needing more hardware to further expand the creative capacity of today's game designers.
I think we're in a real crazy console cycle this gen. It's very different from the prior generations. Who knows, if we don't see a PS4 for another 6 years, or so, I'm sure there's gotta be at least one more major game that'll draw in a few more gamers on the PS3 side. ANd perhaps, when more gamers realize that this console gen isn't going anywhere anytime soon, they may just suck it up and buy a PS3... and especially looking at what MS has prepared for the coming months I can't help but think why they wouldn't want to jump over and play some of these great games they've been missing out on.

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archs13
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:29:37 PM

i think you guys haven't mentioned the new Twisted Metal game.. just saying :D

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:40:41 PM

Indeed Temjin.

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Shams
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:42:06 PM

And ya gotta figure that with games like Shadow of the Colossus (spiritual successor to ICO) and GOW2 coming out close to 10 years into the lifetime of the ps2, Sony's always got something under their sleeve, even if it's not a new IP.

Granted, SOC didn't sell in droves, but I'd take one gem like that game over 10 system-selling COD iterations any day.

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godsman
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 11:34:37 AM

I think any "sequels" that is jumping from PS2 to PS3 are considered as a system seller. GT5, GoW3, MGS4 and FFXIII are good examples. Gamers anticipate playing the game by buying the new system. Uncharted and Resistance series are not system sellers, because the game got popular on the PS3. The only games I see that are potential system sellers are Last Guardian and Twisted Metal.

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:04:41 PM
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No, there are a lot of other stuff out there.

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Riku994
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:07:39 PM
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There's still the crowd of people who were saying they'd buy a PS3 for FF13 AND FFV13. Don't forget that if KH3 is PS3 exclusive, that will draw in a huge crowd aswell. Anyone who's played Uncharted but doesn't have a PS3 will want to pick one up when the third one comes out.. Sorry Ben, but this is one article I've gotta disagree with.

People may be getting impatient on the release of the key titles I mentioned, but anyone who truly wants the best system but can't find the right reason (god help them if U2 isn't a good enough reason) will have to just inhale deeply and purge their wallets for the select gems we know are coming. And let's face it, even if FFv13 goes to 360, it will be a port, and vastly inferior. It will probably be more discs than FF13 itself.

My last point, albeit probably a moot one, if the often rumored, hinted, teased and hope-dashing FF7 remake comes to pass and some smart person at SE decides to name it PS3 exclusive, then the sale will do nothing but skyrocket to the edges of the universe. I know that probably won't happen, but if it does then all the better for the PS3.

Edit: When I started typing this, there were no comments on the article XD

Last edited by Riku994 on 11/21/2010 10:13:05 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:59:26 PM

I'm sorry, but Kingdom Hearts III wouldn't move much of anything in regards to PS3 hardware. Sadly, we live in a very different world these days and while I know the series still has fans, this isn't the PS2 generation. KH would not be a system seller, no.

And I seriously doubt Final Fantasy/RPG fans have been holding out on the PS3 until Versus XIII. That's at least a year off, if not more. It's also not Final Fantasy XV; it's a spin-off. No, as much as I want to say such titles are "system sellers" - and they might have been for the PS2 - they really won't be this generation.

Only Versus XIII has an outside shot, really.

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Riku994
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:02:53 PM

I'm aware it's not FFXV, but we don't even know what to expect from that. As far as we know it'll be a shooter and then the days of RPGs will probably truly be dead. Perhaps the peoople saying they'd buy a PS3 for FFV13 have since moved past that phase, or even already got one. But if I didn't have my ps3 yet, I would probably buy one when FFV13 release, then expand my collection further. I do see your point Ben, but I refuse to believe that GT5 is the very last massive system seller for the PS3.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:05:55 PM

That's fine. Like I said, I really wish this industry was still the same place where a KHIII and a FFv13 would be gigantic. And in all honesty, I hope it still is.

...but it doesn't look or feel like it.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:15:38 PM

Indeed Ben, I think it's quite sad actually that a game like that won't sell very well in this generation.

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Riku994
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 2:50:28 PM

It is very sad. I miss the days when RPGs wer ethe king of gaming.

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Arvis
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:36:06 PM

@Ben,

That's because RPGs (and Kingdom Hearts) have been killed by handheld consoles. Specifically the DS. Thanks to the dual-screened monstrosity, RPGs are looked at as simple, dumbed down novelties. DQIX is a perfect example.

When Kingdom Hearts 3 comes out on a REAL console, people aren't going to remember KH2 and go "Ooooh, yeah!" They're going to remember all the stupid handheld KH titles and go "Isn't that the Disney game thing on the DS or PSP or something?"

Blah.

-Arvis

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AntDC
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:12:45 PM
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That's a good point, it's kinda the last of the big Sony icons to be released on PS3. I think people underestimate The Last Guardian though. The Shadow of the Colossus was a huge seller in Japan, and did surprisingly well in EUR/US. I reckon with some decent support and advertising LG could do really well, but of course it's a little unrealistic expecting it to reach anywhere near the heights of the other big franchises.

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AntDC
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:58:07 PM

I take this back, Kingdom Hearts III, and sequels to already established franchises are sure to make a huge splash, not to mention further price cuts.

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Killa Tequilla
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:15:06 PM
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"GT5 might be the last big boost for the PS3; from now on, it will come down to more price reductions in the hardware and the growing library to convince a bunch of late adopters. I'm just not sure there's one single huge title on the horizon that can, this late in the day, be considered a "system seller." Really, if you can't find a reason yet..."

What if you're wrong?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:07:04 PM

That's...why it's a questioning editorial, and not one where I make a definitive statement.

Pretty sure that's obvious.

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Underdog15
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 8:31:42 AM

To some, Ben. Sense isn't common.

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Kiryu
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:17:47 PM
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What in the hell are you talking about ben?The lasts ystem seller?There are so may other exclusives coming out.

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Riku994
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:19:49 PM

Exclusives are one thing, system selling exclusives are another.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:02:23 PM

Well, you could try reading the article for the answer.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:20:53 PM

A game that causes a significant spike in hardware sales.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:19:14 PM
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It'd be the last big selling franchise to make it's debut on the PS3 though.
I doubt that Twisted Metal would push the PS3 sale.
And no worries, Uncharted 3 would get the job done too.

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556pineapple
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:19:24 PM
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I may be contributing to the spike, but not because of the game. It seems my old 60 GB model is showing it's age. The disc drive only works when it wants to, and just today, the system turned off suddenly, and wouldn't turn back on. No standby light even. After a couple of minutes, I heard a click and the light came back on, but I have the feeling that problem isn't solved. If both problems trace to the power supply, I'll just buy a refurbished PSU. However, if it's more complicated than that, I'll probably just have to bite the bullet and get a slim.

I know some people who would buy a PS3 for The Last Guardian, but sadly, as great a game as it will be, I'm sure it just doesn't have the mass appeal to be a system seller.

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Deleted User
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:24:12 PM

I had a similar problem with my 60 GB. The console would slooooow to a crawl and then just shut off or freeze. The guy couldn't fix it. Your console is probably going to get the Yellow Light Of Death soon.

I sold the console to him for parts and used the funds to buy a 160 GB Slim. I hated giving up my 60 GB but it had to be done.

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eLLeJuss
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:21:34 PM
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uhmmm FFVII Remake will definately be a system seller...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:28:22 PM

Yeah, on PS9.

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Underdog15
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:57:43 PM

lol ya. According to stats, there are at least 10 million people that would consider it.

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Gordo
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:24:27 PM
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I've only got 5 "keepers" in my collection (those games that I would never get rid of for love nor money).

Demons Souls
Uncharted 2
God of War III
Metal Gear Solid 4
Heavy Rain.

GT5 will be welcomed into the "keeper" club with open arms.

GT5 is a massive system seller. Nothing else comes close...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:28:38 PM

Agree with Wreckless.

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Gordo
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:27:22 PM

Agreed that it's a shame to have to get rid of any game and in an ideal world they would all sit there with pride of place.

Limited gaming time and limited budget however tends to see my "turnover" my games quite quickly.

Some games I can't trade in quick enough whilst others leave me with a twinge of regret!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:31:22 AM

Money is always a problem, but I'm a collector and I generally keep even the games I didn't like.

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SvenMD
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 11:04:26 AM

Agreed World - I've never sold a game in my life....I just can't bring myself to do it. And I don't really see the point...a few bucks isn't worth it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:25:03 PM
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I think what Ben mean's is it is potentially the last game that will have a chance to move massive units. I tend to agree. Even though we will still be getting unbelievable exclusives and sequels for some time to come, anybody who finally comes to the Sony side for one particular game that is not yet out will be a member of a rather small club. As such, you wouldn't consider that game a serious "system seller"

Though I am glad to see you no longer believe Twisted Metal is a system seller, it is kind of sad to agree with this article. MAN they really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by making FFXIII multiplat.

Anyway, yeah I agree, if you haven't found a reason to get a PS3 yet then you don't have a heartbeat or don't like great games.

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laxpro2001
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:32:03 PM

lol very well put World.

Still I'm optimistic that there may be a few more epic titles capable of making gamers turn their heads in awe. Even so though thats not needed as I agree with you that there is already plentiful amount of arguments of why you need to own one by now.

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BikerSaint
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:06:11 PM

World,
As a gaming collector too, I'm with the same thinking as you

Except I keep even those games I don't like, but just to fill out my collections.

Hell, I even bought a inferior Zone60 gaming console yesterday, just because it has 60 games included in it(although most of them look & play like 8-bit shovelware) LOL

Last edited by BikerSaint on 11/22/2010 4:07:26 PM

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RebelJD
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:27:43 PM
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I agree, Gran Turismo 5 is thee system seller of the PS3. If the PS3 doesn't just spike, but blow the heck out of the box then it's doomed.

Sadly, Halo has had three, count them, THREE, next gen system sellers during the 360 life span. That's just envious right there. PS3? Has been playing catch up all the way up to the Gran Turismo 5 release date.

There are, and will continue to be, great exclusives for the PS3. I expect people to no longer miss out on them from here on out.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:29:51 PM

The problem is that PS3 owners are a discerning type, most won't buy a reskinned game because of the name on the label.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:40:12 PM

A very important difference World

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AntDC
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:59:42 PM

I have to disagree, Metal Gear Solid put a huge spike in PS3 sales, although yeah not to the extent of the Halo series, despite its immense quality.

Last edited by AntDC on 11/21/2010 11:00:30 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:01:25 PM

The depressing part is that with the exception of Halo: Reach, I can name at least 5 PS3 exclusives that are superior to the Halo titles.

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aaronisbla
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 2:02:59 PM

people still say the ps3 is doomed if such and such don't move systems? wtf is this, 2006-7? Yeah, lets just ignore the fact its been steadily closing the gap shall we?

Last edited by aaronisbla on 11/22/2010 2:03:51 PM

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laxpro2001
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:28:51 PM
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Initially I was ready to go berserk but I totally see what you mean Ben. A sequel to the other franchises wouldn't be system sellers, as the originals would have done just that. Perhaps it is but this still remains to be seen.

Who knows what awesome new titles lie in wait in the years ahead?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:30:55 PM
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I know of one person who is considering it for The Last Guardian, but honestly there are probably just a few thousand like him. Those aren't big money numbers.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:33:46 PM

We know it is an artistic endeavor, stack that up against an FPS that the masses literally rob gaming stores to get early and you won't come up with a system seller that moves like 5 million consoles.

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Scarecrow
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:42:44 PM
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Yup completely understand Ben's analysis here.

Though there could be surprises down the road: A GOOD FFXV (exclusive(, Legend of Dragoon sequel?, or a brand new exclusive that just captures everyone imaginations.

But for now, GT5 is one of the few redefining experiences with a huge fanbase behind it for ps3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:34:14 PM

lol, why would someone thumb you down for that?

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Underdog15
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 8:35:23 AM

The days of FF being exclusive are over.

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DemonNeno
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:43:49 PM
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Ben, you make a valid point, to an extent. We still have the possibility of a break through in motion gaming along with this big announcement..

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 10:45:47 PM
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here's another reason some people might not own/want a ps3....

they are a nintendork or an xbot that believe nothing cool/good will ever come from the playstation brand

trust me, i know a guy (i'm sure everybody else knows people like him too) that just bashes PS, but holds up nintendo as if it were God.

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Jawknee
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:04:34 AM

Everyone i know who likes Nintendo or the Wii either has or plans on getting a PS3. It's only the Xbots i know how refuse to see the light. This fool at Target tried to convince me Halo Reach had better graphics than God of War III. I couldn't believe how delusional they guy was.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 3:00:49 AM

same here, I been getting that at stores to. Employees these days, not to bright whenever the customer brings up a certain subject.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:19:06 PM
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Just to clarify what I mean-

We've all heard people say things like, "I'm waiting to get a PS3 for MGS4," or "I'm waiting to get a PS3 for GT5," or "Man, I want it for Blu-Ray and Netlfix," or, "Uncharted 2 is just too damn good...think I need a PS3 now."

While on the flip side, I'm pretty sure I've never heard anyone ever say, "I'm waiting for Kingdom Hearts III before buying a PS3." That's sort of my point.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:23:12 PM

I don't think i have either Ben.

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Scarecrow
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 11:07:16 AM

Ben's right, some of you are just not understanding the point.

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DemonNeno
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:29:50 PM

I do agree ben. My only question its whether Sony is working on a Move hardware seller. That, to me, would be the final hurrah.

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Jawknee
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:34:01 PM
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"Look, if you can't find a reason to own a PS3 now, you're A. not a big gamer, and B. likely won't be swayed by anything else in the future."

or C) you're one of idiots who swears the Xbox is still better than the PS3 regardless of the evidence to the contrary.

I hope Sony can come up with another killer IP that would attract those hold outs who haven't bought a PS3 already.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:41:05 PM

D) You're just an idiot, it's that simple.

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StangMan80
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:47:37 AM

Sony will get the Xbots, there getting tired of replacing there 360. But then then their is those Xbots who are on the 13th+ 360 and still claim it's the best console ever.
It's really sad if your one of those people.

Well... GT5 is less then 2 days away.
1 DAY 22 HOURS!!!!!

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Lawless SXE
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:17:20 AM

Snaaaake,
I think your point is pretty much synonymous with Jawknee's C.

No offense to any XBots here :P
Peace.

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xS7SxSNIPER
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:36:28 AM

halo dosen't have better graphics but it's funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Clamedeus
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:37:15 AM

I don't think Halo is fun anymore, I've played 1 and 2 back in the day those were fun when it came out after a couple of years it grew stale pretty quickly i don't like the way Reach plays nothing really exciting same old boring formula.

Last edited by Clamedeus on 11/22/2010 4:41:08 AM

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Underdog15
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 8:39:35 AM

Beat Halo 1 and 2, and liked them. Stopped Halo 3 part-way through the campaign, and have no urge to go back. Played ODST and beat it with 3 friends in an afternoon... Haven't given Reach a shot. If I do, I hope it's the best one yet. Halo 3 felt old to me, and ODST was severely underwhelming.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:37:26 PM
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I think the only way we get a massive system seller again would be the impossible, Sony would have to shell out more than the US spent on actual modern warfare in order to secure a PS3 exclusive Call of Duty title that was developed by Infinity Ward AND Treyarch, under the guidance of Guerrilla Games and Insomniac.

Don't see that happening. Nor would I want it to.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, November 21, 2010 @ 11:55:16 PM

I thought of Resistance 3 as this is a shooter-happy industry now, but that franchise has never gotten enough love.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:30:02 AM

No, no it hasn't. I was surprised at how R2 was just kind of shrugged off by the industry. I loved it. It did get rid of some of the great stuff from R1, but it was still a better game imo. I actually played the online.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:40:31 AM

Of course, who wants to play any other shooter when Halo series and Call of Duty series are constantly in the spot light?

History goes in cycles. This is indeed a very bizarre gaming generation for me. And the funny thing is that before the high def consoles even came out we were under the impression that dev support for the PS3 would florish much like the previous generations. Microsoft pulled a direction changing fast one and third party support for the PS3 became almost instantly non-existant.

I have hope though. I'm sure Sony will learn from past mistakes and regarding the gaming industry, interests will shift. I don't know what it is but when something becomes so scarce it automatically becomes more valuable. When devs find that they can produce this product that has become scarce and valuable they will. This product that I am referring to is the true JRPG.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:45:47 AM

shadow: I can only hope industry tastes will shift but unfortunately, I see it being a lot like Hollywood now...where flashy big-budget, but necessarily top quality, titles get all the sales.

World: I actually played R2 online as well. I wasn't about to miss 60 players at one time. And I agree it was a better game than the original overall...have high hopes for R3.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 11/22/2010 12:46:04 AM

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 9:59:53 AM

@shadowscorpio

I wouldn't say that third party support for the PS3 became non-existent, but it was certainly lacking from a few key developers who'd had their hands tied into exclusive contracts for games that meant that they were not developing for the PS3 because they are busy developing exclusives for Microsoft. Sadly a notable few have utterly dropped the ball on the PS3 even since their exclusivity crap ended - Namco Games I *am* looking at you. But other third parties have stepped up, and Sony's strategy in the past of growing in-house talent and independent talent has paid off big time.

However the impact of Microsoft's money and strategy has definitely hurt the industry, and many of the publishers that dealt with the devil (so to speak) have paid a price for doing so. Many of those Japanese developers that signed contracts with the man from Redmond (aka MS) have suffered financially since then. Of course, that might have more than a little to do with abandoning their home markets...

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shadowscorpio
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 2:53:16 PM

Can't say I dissagree with you Highlander.

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___________
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:20:38 AM
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of course not!
there will be plenty of system sellers to come, Agent for one, GTA has always been a massive system seller and R* has a gigantic fan base they will follow over to the new series.
than theres MGS, there is no way MGS4 is going to be the last true MGS we see on the ps3, its far too popular a game to stop at one.
than socom 4, one of the most famous playstation series of all time!
if ND really do a crash bandicoot remake, peoples heads are going to implode!
than there will probably be a new GT game, GT6 should not take that long to do since they already have the engine in place.
im sure will see FFXVI before the ps3s death too.
were only getting started, allot of games which made the ps2 what it was have not had iterations released this gen.
and the games that made the ps3 what it is, will more than likely get new iterations too.
you make it sound like this is the last year for the ps3, its not, the ps3 aint going anywhere for another 4 or 5 years so theres plenty of time to create some more system sellers.
GT5 will probably be the biggest, no doubt GT5 will be the biggest seller for the ps3 during its whole life!
but that does not mean it will be the last.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:42:36 AM

I don't at all make it sound like this is the last year for the PS3.

And no offense, but you're too insane to respond to the rest of it.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:56:20 AM

I prayed Allah for you to post a positive comment.

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___________
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 6:34:29 AM

you do.
what about MGS5?
theres no way there is only going to be one MGS game on the ps3.
what about GT6?
what about the last guardian?
what about FFVXIII?
you cant say FF is not a system seller, hell the anticipation was so high here when $E announced the advanced screenings across the country the tickets were sold out in 12 minutes!
now thats not high anticipation?
there are plenty iterations of games released this gen that would be system sellers, and even more iterations of games that have not graced the ps3 yet.
what about the getaway?
that was the only game that could really go toe to toe with GTA, one of the industries best selling series!

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Underdog15
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 8:42:39 AM

Mark my words. Final Fantasy will now and forever remain a multi-plat franchise.

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NiteKrawler
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 5:26:35 PM

Someone put this kid out of his misery. And please learn the difference between "then" and "than".

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StangMan80
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:42:11 AM
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I see a bright future ahead for PS3. There's a bunch of games coming. Move just released. Price reduction will help out a lot too. $300 might be to much for a lot of people in our economy today. With updates, move and the endless amount of exclusive games coming. I think Sony will move plenty of Consoles moving off store shelves.

Plus, I keep hearing Xbots are going to try the PS3. I don't know how many times I've heard "If this 360 breaks, I'm going to try the PS3".
I also see the 360's life ending... next year. The kinect is a joke, the only way there moving those things is giving them away. Who knows whats going to happen with Halo. Gears of war... Allen wake sequel... The 360 has nothing. You have to pay to play online.
Come on... the Microsoft needs a new console. Nintendo needs it worse though. I actually see the next gen consoles coming in between 2-3 years. Microsoft will rush a console out to keep sales up and it end up being a piece of junk as well. The PS4 will be released when it's ready. The PS3 will have a long life after the PS4, when it's $99 and the PS4 is $400.

GT5(GOTY) countdown: 1 day 21 hours!!!!!!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:43:59 AM

I have no doubt the PS3 will continue to sell, and I have no doubt the informed 360 players will buy one as well. I'm also sure the PS3 will end up on top of the 360 in worldwide sales, if not in North America.

But that's not really the point I was trying to make.

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spiderboi
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:00:26 AM
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Completely agree. While we have coming exclusives Infamous 2, LBP2, Killzone 3 (and perhaps Uncharted 3 woohoo), I don't also consider these "sequels" as sytsem sellers. Why? If you will buy these upcoming games, more likely than not because you've played their predecessors already, hence you have a PS3.

Games like MGS4 and now GTA5, have no preceding games before them in the PS3. Granted, Heavy Rain is a great game, but let's face it--it's not a system seller.

And to top it off, we have not been too gifted with racing simulators this gen (well, what are other racing simulators other than GT anyways?)

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:04:23 AM
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What about that BIG ANNOUNCEMENT on Dec 12th? If its a Ps3 exclusive im sure people will want to buy a Ps3 for it... Could be as big as GT5. Or MGS4.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:19:10 AM

people who are stubbornly loyal to a certain console will go "Psh, that's stupid I don't want that" so it doesn't matter.

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swapnilgyani
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:20:41 AM
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I think for the casual gamer, some solid, well developed Move titles might still prove to be pretty big system movers.

Also, if the next gen xbox comes out before the ps4 - lets say, a year before - quality titles released within that window of 1 year will be potential system movers, as the new xbox's price would certainly be higher that the ps3 at that point.

Thirdly, great new IPs can move a lot of systems, so can bigger and better sequels to relatively new IPs - just what GoW II did late in the life cycle of PS2.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:24:45 AM
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I think that, if Sony wants another system seller, they will need to advertise it to the level of CoD and Halo. They cannot simply sit back on their laurels and expect a game to sell if they don't promote it.

Saying this, I do feel as if any game can be a system seller, provided there is enough widespread interest in it. Unfortunately, I do sort of agree that GT5 will be the last new title that will really sell the PS3 hardware, unless Sony can pull off a few more third party exclusives in established franchises. GTA:Next, CoD, FFXV, DMC, RDR. Of course, this will NEVER happen.

Still there is always hope, particularly with the Move, as it opens up a whole new avenue. Sorcery is key among them, and if Sony can get it in the public spotlight, and deliver on the promises, then I can definitely see it being a system seller.
Peace.

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xS7SxSNIPER
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:31:03 AM
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i have been on my xbox for 3 years no rrod lol i laugh when ps3 fanboy say that xbox breaks a lot and they need to buy a new one ms offer a 3 year warranti no need to buy a other xbox they cover the xbox that breaks anyways i don;t think that the ps3 has any good games at all i do have a ps3 my psn id is killzonegnasher i use my ps3 has a blueray player i did play uncharted and i saw nothing good about it it has hyped up for nothing it was only graphics and nothing more...

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swapnilgyani
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:53:29 AM

Thanks a lot for your extremely insightful post, particularly because you have understood the topic at hand so intelligently, and have articulated an appropriate reponse.

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MadPowerBomber
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:13:18 AM

I was wondering to myself about two hours ago if these kind of people still existed. The whole, "THE PS3 HAS NO GOOD GAMES" children and the like.

I'm guessing they do.

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Clamedeus
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:30:50 AM

@xS7SxSNIPER

I bet you don't know a quality game even if it hit you in the face.

**cough**

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swapnilgyani
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 7:49:31 AM

@ Clamedeus

Obviously, coz those kind of experiences are few and far between for the xbots.

One sympathises :P

Last edited by swapnilgyani on 11/22/2010 7:50:03 AM

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:03:26 AM

My, what a Truly Remarkable, Outstandingly Literate, Loquacious reply that was.

Yep totally a...

Truly
Remarkable
Outstandingly
Literate
Loquacious

...post. Well done you

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:21:07 AM

'sigh'

I'm really sorry, but why are ALL trolling 360 fanboy comments written like this? Why? Are they ALL 14-year-olds who know less about gaming than Lieberman?

Not exactly helping the stereotypical image some of us have of Microsoft lemmings, my friend.

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Fane1024
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 3:56:43 PM

Are we sure this isn't sarcasm/parody? Someone couldn't possibly be that stupid, right? ;)

p.s. The POS Microsoft keyboard here at work keeps omitting letters I've typed.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 11/22/2010 3:57:43 PM

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BikerSaint
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:55:49 PM

Hey,
I think you forgot about his perfect penmanship & superb punctuation placement skills too

xS7SxSNIPER,

Garbled dribble that never says anything?

Oh yes, just what we need here at a non-botbox site!......."NOT"

Maybe you'll become a much better 8 year old if only you would hunker down and complete all of your "Atroturfing" studies at MS's site....
www.Paid-Trolls-R-Us(dot)com

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SixSpeedKing
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 5:45:29 PM

@ Highlander I like that. You come up with it?

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 9:33:40 PM

Yep, as far as I know I did make it up. I mean I've never seen anything like it elsewhere, not even google had it listed - until now...

Last edited by Highlander on 11/22/2010 9:33:56 PM

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jaybiv
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:36:30 AM
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marketed right lbp2 could be. moreso had it hit pre xmas.

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Scarecrow
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 11:13:09 AM

I agree, if there's an Christmas game that could maximize its sells in December it's LBP.... But hey it'll still be a solid Winter (January-February-March) title.

There's a reason why a lot of games are coming out early next year. Lot of people seem to have money around that time :P

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gangan19
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 2:00:50 AM
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people sometimes don't read articles, they based their comments off the title of the article...this explains some comments on the board

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Qubex
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 2:01:37 AM
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The Last Guardian could push more system... Sony will blow people away again at next years E3!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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The X Factor 9
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 2:25:31 AM
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Hey Ben...The Last Guardian and Agent have something to say about that.

Agent in particular, is the exclusive that could make a big difference.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:24:50 AM

I don't think either has a shot at significantly raising PS3 sales, to be honest with you. As much as I love the look of Last Guardian.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 11/22/2010 10:24:58 AM

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 6:39:28 AM
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GT5 is the biggest system seller left of this current iteration, due to the legacy GT has.

It's hype has been built up over the course of it's massive development cycle.

The nearest game (at the moment) to GT5 in terms of expectation is The Last Guardian; but whilst generating great publicity it doesn't have a legacy to aid its promotion.

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mikedifr
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 7:10:51 AM
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Last time I checked, didnt 3/4 of the FFXIII sales come on PS3?? Not quite sure it could have had THAT much bigger of an impact on hardware sales.....Besides, who give a crap...We will all enjoy our PS3's for years to come, if people dont want to buy one its their loss.

Many of you are confusing "system seller" with exclusives. We will always have great exlcusives, that is why I give the edge to Sony ove the other companies, I love the variety and quality of their first party studios....However, the only true system sellers they have this generation are really the MGS, GT and maybe GOW series. Uncharted, Infamous, etc. are all amazing games, however, did they really convince someone that was deciding between a PS3 and 360 to buy a PS3?? I am sure there were a few, but not on the scale that someone decides to buy a 360 for Halo.

For better or worse, Sony just doesnt market their system like that....they let the games speak for themselves.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:24:11 AM

Well, most games that are exclusive are system-sellers, because that console is the only platform that would play the game. A new GTA will push hardware, for instance, but theoretically, it should push sales for both the PS3 and 360 at about an equal clip.

And I know FFXIII prompted plenty to buy a PS3 but that's for two reasons- 1. Final Fantasy had been exclusive to PlayStation for nearly 15 years; most ALL FF fans liked and owned PlayStation. 2. the better version was clearly going to be the PS3 version.

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Fane1024
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:05:06 PM

Now I'm glad I didn't post this in my comment above.

I was going to say that the only game I could see being a real system seller would be an EXCLUSIVE GTA 5, where Rockstar said that they had to cancel a 360 version because they just couldn't make the game right without Blu-ray/Cell processing. But with the mixed reaction to GTA 4, that may not even be the case. What else would get the 360-only crowd to add a PS3?

Perhaps a killer app for Move that convinces Wii owners to join the HD generation? It would have to get huge (Oprah-style) hype, though, to reach the casual market.

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mikedifr
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 7:13:46 AM
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So, I agree with the article to the extent that for existing franchises, this is most likely the last true game with system moving potential....There is always the possiblity some new IP comes along though

New to commenting on here Ben, but have been enjoying your articles/reviews for a long-time. Keep up the great work!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:21:53 AM

Thanks and welcome to the community. :)

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JackC8
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 7:50:42 AM
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There's plenty of time left in the PS3's lifespan for more system sellers.

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maxpontiac
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 8:00:52 AM
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I agree, outside of Ace Combat, most of the big hitters have made a debut on the PS3.

I do think that sequels of big games will drive some console sales though.

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RobiinzZ
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:08:36 AM
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Tbh, i think all our huge catologue of exclusives will still help be system sellers because, like my friend, he has a 360, but wants a ps3 due to the huuggeee amount of awsome exclusives we have compared with xbox, and if he had the money he would buy one. Some people just still cant afford a ps3 even if it is amazing value for money.

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Deleted User
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:15:23 AM
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Sony has more ambition than their competitors. They can probably come up with another system seller in the future. For now, GT5 is the last one out there...unless LittleBigPlanet 2 is even more amazing than the first one.

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:54:15 AM

LBP2 could be a system seller. Uncharted 3, Last Guardian, Move, etc...

But I think that what Ben is getting at is that the traditional system sellers of the PlayStation brand, pretty much end with GT5. Afte GT5 is here, there will be no other significant game that we are waiting on to complete the line up. I mean of course we'll want to get Uncharted 3, LBP2, inFamous 2, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, and so on, and so forth. But, these are new games, and not the consistent system selling titles of the past. That's where I think Ben is going, and I agree with him. GT5 is the last great system selling title of the generation. Other titles will generate some new sales, but not on the scale that a game like GT5 can and will.

It's almost like having GT5 finally completes the set of must have titles that are required for some gamers to feel that they can take the leap from the PS2 to the new system.

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Deleted User
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:52:35 PM

How about Twisted Metal? Do you think David Jaffe's game will be a system seller or do you think most people have forgotten about it? That's the only original series on the horizon that debuted on the PSX.

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:57:25 PM

Hmmm... I think it has potential, but not in the same scale as GT5. Sadly I do think that a lot of gamers playing now have never heard of the game, and so don't know what to expect.

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lcoats69
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 10:55:27 AM
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I'm about to sale my wii for $225.00 to buy playstation move & GTA 5.GTA 5 is going to be th next ps3 saler.The reason im selling my wii cause I got bored playing it.

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BikerSaint
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 5:17:41 PM

Icoats,
How are you gonna sell your Wii for $225, when they're selling brand new at $199 right now.
Or do you also have a ton of extra accessories & games going along with it?

Just curious...

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Amazingskillz
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 11:59:20 AM
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I disagree. Uncharted 3 will be a strong system seller. Any game can be a system seller as long as the proper hype, quality, and value exist.

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Amazingskillz
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 12:02:20 PM
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Tell Killzonegnasher to past that because he is obviously smoking.

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wiley_kyotee
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 1:07:05 PM
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For Sony's sake, GT5 better be a system seller. If not, Sony's chances of outselling the XBOX 360 worldwide this generation will become even slimmer. The only hope will be wtih future price cuts.

It is sad that the PS3 console doesn't sell better, and that the highly rated exclusives don't sell better to those that already own the console. Gaming has really changed from where it was in the PS1 and PS2 generations.

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 4:20:36 PM

Considering that the PS3 is already poised to overtake on the global sales numbers, I feel you're being pessimistic. If you factor in the mortality rate of the 360 over it's first 2-3 years of life, there's a very, very good chance that 3-5 million 360s are filling up landfill space somewhere, which more or less closes any game that people want to imagine exists. Subscriber numbers and software sales point to the consoles being very even - globally

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BikerSaint
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 5:27:43 PM

What highlander just said!!!!

The PS3 has already passed the 360,
Just factor in all this

1.MS cheats their counts..."Shipped" units, not "sold"
2. All their RRODs & new 360 squat's REOD's
3. I highly suspect MS also count all their Kinect/360 contests, give-away's as being counted in their shipped(therefore,"sold") units too.
4 all the modded boxes that MS bannedtwice so far(1.6 million) that the 360-FANaddicts(play on words) just had to replace.

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wiley_kyotee
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 5:49:57 PM

Good point Highlander, the 360 does have a lot of re-purchases due to the RROD during the first few years.

I know this goes into another subject, but it is sad that a phenomenal game like U2 sells less than half the sales of Halo Reach. Sony did market U2, though not in a league with what Microsoft spends. U2 received numerous GOTY awards, was all over the Internet for quite a long period of time, and is the highest rated HD exclusive ever. It has a very good online component for those into online play. Why doesn't it sell better? Especially to those who already own the PS3. Is it mainly because Sony doesn't market as heavily? I would think anyone buying their first PS3 these days would have to heavily consider buying U2 as one of their first games. But this does not seem to be the case.

Like I stated earlier and what I believe Ben refers to, this generation has changed gaming. Story driven games just don't sell like they use to and don't drive big spikes in console sales.

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Highlander
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 9:32:19 PM

I think it's because the gamin audience for PlayStation has always been a much broader church with gamers from many genre all mixed together. So a game like Uncharted which isn't an out and out shooter appeals to a specific genre loving gamer in particular.

On the other hand the 360, and the Xbox before it have a far more homogeneous audience. It's a generalization, but true to say that the majority of 360 owners are shooter fans, so shooters are almost certain to sell better on the 360 than anything else. Not only that but shooters like Call of Duty Black Ops appeal to a very mainstream gamin fashion right now, where Uncharted 2 doesn't appeal so strongly in that way.

So I think you see the impact of both of those factors (along with a bunch of others, causing games to sell better or worse depending on their genre and platform.

As a further example, look at Alan Wake. This was billed as the 360's answer to Heavy Rain. A game that was big on story and character. Yet it sold appallingly low numbers. By comparison Heavy Rain has sold several times as many copies. To me, this shows that the different audience profiles of the PlayStation and 360 do have an effect on game sales.

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KNG201
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 3:13:19 PM
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socom is the only reason (& the fact I like Sony products for years!) I have a PS3 when it was $600. gt5 should be a very good reason too I mean ANYONE can play it and have good times. it can even inspire people to get into cars and driving. its a masterpiece. (bows down in honor)

Last edited by KNG201 on 11/22/2010 3:13:45 PM

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Seamus
Tuesday, November 23, 2010 @ 1:01:46 AM
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There's a variety of factors that contribute to a definitive System Seller but GT5 is definatly one in my opinion.

Here's to my first comment by the way =)

I currently don't have a PS3 and am considering jumping on the bandwagon do you guys think it is worth the £285 pound price tag with the opportunity of a free move starter pack included? Your replies are valued and appreciated by the way.

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Seamus
Friday, November 26, 2010 @ 9:49:57 AM

haha thanks for the reply Luisliu :)

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lcoats69
Wednesday, November 24, 2010 @ 8:42:53 PM
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BikerSaint i have 50 games & tons of accessories for my wii.

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lcoats69
Wednesday, November 24, 2010 @ 8:49:48 PM
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Seamus u should buy a ps3 cause that is a good price for a ps3.

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Seamus
Friday, November 26, 2010 @ 9:49:06 AM

It is in English pounds by the way, do you still think the offer is a good one? By the way theres a free game included too either sports champions or Fifa 11.

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