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Early Sales Say GT5 May Be The Top PS3 Exclusive

With all the hype, many wondered if Gran Turismo 5 would become the best-selling PlayStation 3 exclusive to date. Well, early indications are that such a feat is well within the realm of possibility.

According to GamrFeed citing VGChartz, GT5 has sold 1.8 million copies in its first two days on the market in the Americas and EMEAA territories (this also counts one day of sales in Japan). Total first week sales are expected to be around 2.5 million, which would just about equal to the first-week sales of its predecessor, GT4, and place GT5 in the top five PS3 openings of all time behind Call of Duty: Black Ops, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Final Fantasy XIII, and Grand Theft Auto IV. Ah, but you may notice that all of those games are multiplatform; if GT5 does indeed sell what's predicted, it'll be the fastest-selling PS3 exclusive out of the gate. The hotly anticipated racer also set records in several locations in Europe. The franchise is always huge in the European territories and one can certainly expect big sales numbers in Japan as well.

Also, be on the lookout for that patch this weekend; it should help to deal with the online struggles many have reported. The servers were simply choked with people trying to play during the first week.

Related Game(s): Gran Turismo 5

Tags: gt5, gran turismo 5, gt5 sales, polyphony digital

11/27/2010 10:38:13 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (161 posts)

Temjin001
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 10:52:26 AM
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Woo Hoo and I contributed to that 1.8 million... but I'm curious how does VGchartz get their numbers these days?

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wasim
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:27:23 PM

those are FAKE numbers. actually GT5 might have sold around 4m in 2 days.
VGCHARTZ generate numbers randomly by guesstimates. It is owned by ioi -a banned neogaf user. the real numbers could well be 4-5m for sure though

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 2:37:02 PM

Wasim, I heard you were dead.

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Fane1024
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:03:04 PM

Actually, VGChartz uses a number of metrics to determine their numbers, including the official sales numbers from various territories and statements by the various publishers.

They also apparently contact various distributors and retail outlets to see how well items are selling.

The numbers are estimates and frequently inaccurate, but they are not invented randomly.

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Ricochet
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:29:31 AM

@Fane1024:

When you have Microsoft's Greenburg (where VGchartz is supposedly supportive of) calling out VGChartz, that is a clear sign to stay away from that website. Secondly, it's one thing to take info from different districts but how do they do that from a worldwide perspective?

Do they have an assembly of foreign-language speaking team to contact all the retailers across the board?

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gustave154
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 3:48:14 PM

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82746/a-word-from-brett-why-it-is-so-easy-to-blame-vgchartz/

you guys should read this article for more understanding of what that VGchartz does.

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swapnilgyani
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 10:56:51 AM
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Never has the word "Godspeed" sounded so apt before...

The patch is out BTW, I'm downloading it as I post this comment.

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Gimmedat
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:30:18 AM

Iam downloading the patch also,Iam loving this sim for everything that is, not giving a damn about the little things people are griping about.

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NoOneSpecial
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:44:50 AM

Exactly

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:19:35 PM

Beware of sites with an agenda *cough* Eurogamer, IGN, etc. *cough*

Lest you forget how MGS4 was getting 8s and even 6s in some places.

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jlch777
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 2:00:11 PM

Exactly, There is a lot of hate for Sony this generation especially from the media. The game is incredible, people are complaining for little things. Funny to see people winning and winning, ahh forget it; I am just enjoying every minute of GT5 (GOTY)...

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ABUrabad
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:15:46 PM

by mentioning MGS4 I would really like Sony to get a real MGS sequel exclusively for PS3 it was one of the best ever games released at anytime

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:14:24 PM

Funny you should mention little tiny problems bringing scores down.

If the reviewers from these 360 fan sites bring down GT5 cos of little tiny glitches, texture things, slightly longer than usual load times, then shouldn't most of the games they gave an 8.5 to 10 come down slightly too?

Look at Call of Duty, they give it 9 + out of 10 and it is plagued with tiny glitches and problems, especially the multiplayer. If they're gonna review games, they should put their personal preference aside and review the game for its technical merit, content and fun factor and keep standards equal among all their reviews!!!

I know GT5 far surpasses anything Forza can do cos a friend of mine, a real racing, car loving nut, played GT5 at my place and said that everything about the game was better than Forza. The slick menus, the car handling, the car options, GT Mode being so ridiculously deep and engaging to even the most casual of racing gamers, the detail in the cars, everything about it screams "slick!!!"

Only 2 issues:
1. long load times, which are reduced through frequent install moments during loading or a big HDD install altogether.
2. Problems with online service due to ridiculously high traffic (ba doom tish) which is being fixed by Sony as we speak and a patch will roll out soon.

Other than those things, which are easily patched and fixed, the content, the controls, the realism, the incredibly deep GT mode, all adds up to what should be a 9.5 or 10 out of 10 racing game.

Just don't trust places like IGN, Kotaku or Eurogamer who clearly show a bias towards anything 360.
And to those who view this site, since it says PSXextreme, this is clearly a Playstation fan site, so no need for arguments here.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:18:28 PM

Nice points Dance machine.

You know the irony about PSXextreme? Despite being a Playstation site, they are actually fairly even handed and when a multi-plat comes along where the 360 version is better, they say so. When a PlayStation exclusive comes along, if it's crap, they say it's crap. It's ironic because many visitors here do think it's biased. In my experience though, the bias is not on the part of the site, it's on the visitor.

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Alienange
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:04:13 AM
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"Just about equal the first-week sales of its predecessor."

That's fantastic. GT4 came out at the end of the PS2 life when there was well over 100 million consoles out. With about 40 million consoles the PS3 is bringing in the same numbers??

A big "WOW" from me.

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PasteNuggs
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:15:35 AM
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Just out of curiosity,I preodered GT5 but I didn't pick it up until yesterday because of ice on the roads and my gamestop is an hour away so would that be counted as a first day sale or one for yesterday?

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NoOneSpecial
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:18:42 AM

It depends. When did you give them the money for. If you gave when you picked up the game, i would assume that it would not count as a day one sale.

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NoOneSpecial
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:17:37 AM
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Not surprising. I love this game. I don't give a damn about the shortcomings. It's just pure ecstacy for me right now.

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Taha1
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:34:22 AM
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BEN, STOP QUOTING VGCHARTZ!
Their numbers are way off!
It's proven time and BLOODY TIME again.
/rant

Sorry, I'm just so annoyed people think this is a genuine site and respectable sites like PSX quoting there numbers doesn't help!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:13:04 PM

Stop yelling at me. The numbers are not "way off" and in fact, they haven't been "way off" in a long time. I see the NPD; I see VG. It's never exact but VG is typically a good indication. Much bigger sites than us report on VG results.

Don't believe it? Don't comment.

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Taha1
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:28:19 PM

I can imagine myself yelling at the screen:P
That's how my comment comes across doesn't it?
Anyway their numbers are way off especially inflating xbox game sales and deflating ps3 sales.
You should research how the site came about:)

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wasim
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:28:57 PM

no all those are FAKE numbers

Those numbers are all from ioi-a banned neogaffers ass

the real numbers could be as high as 4m - 5m

SONY will be releasing real numbers soon so dont trust those fake numbers

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:46:23 PM

@taha

If you think anyone is going to listen to some random poster instead of a gaming journalist who's proven himself over years to be both objective and balanced, not to mention having industry contacts and access to information that most gamers do not. If you think that, then you are fooling yourself big time.

@Wasim

Ditto dude.

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:56:41 PM

GT5 is a huge title internationally; I assume those numbers would be higher overall... anyway, as said above, once Sony release their official numbers, we will get a better idea...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:00:35 PM

wasim: No. The numbers aren't that high. Trust me.

All: In no way do we ever say the VG numbers are official. They're merely indications from various retail sources that tend to be relatively close to final results.

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Taha1
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:13:30 PM

@ HIGHLANDER
do your research before you decide.
cant just trust a games journalist because thats his profession proven or not.
Sure, i would be inclined to trust him too, but i wouldn't make a solid judgement based on that

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:31:48 PM

@taha1,

Before you bust a gut to insult someone else, perhaps you could consider that I and others have already done our research about both NPD and VGChartz and their methodology and reliability. NPD only covers NA, and VGChartz are, despite not always being the most accurate numerically, generally in the right order of magnitude and their numbers are more global.

But hey, you come on and insult the lead journalist on the site, and keep on jabbing at the commenters here and we'll see how long you last.

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Taha1
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:48:41 PM

"insult"
really?
insult?
SHUT UP!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 2:41:23 PM

VGChartz hits in the ballpark, that's close enough in this business to form opinions and speculations.

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Oxvial
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:45:10 PM

Hey Rock!

Stop trolling in game sites and get into the ring the WWE needs you!.

Damn is like you would do every damn thing before return to the business that made you what you are now.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:55:50 PM

@Taha,

1) most everyone here knows about VGChartz, so stop acting like you discovered a new shiny toy that no one else has.

2) telling Ben Dukta that he needs to do mor research or should stop quoting this, that or the other source, is insulting.

3) Yelling Shut Up at someone may work at Kotaku or IGN, but it doesn't work here, that's just not how we roll.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:48:22 PM

Warning for you Taha. People don't tell others to "shut up" around here.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:47:21 PM

Apologies for the mis-spelling of the surname Ben, I did of course mean 'Dutka' not 'Dukta'. Transposed letters....

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Temjin001
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 10:44:15 PM

The funny part of all of this is that the one "The Rock" guy said he couldn't imagine himself yelling at the screen. But then he told someone else to shut-up a few posts down.

BTW, I'm just pointing out the irony; it's kinda funny =)
Do you smell what the Rock is cooking?! --that's kinda funny, too

And for my two cents (which should be worth a lot more to everyone else I tell'ya's ;) while I don't rely on VGChartz for exact numbers, they seem at least ball park accurate.

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Temjin001
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:08:55 PM

And sorry, Taha1. You're new around here, right?

There's a few un-official ground rules to follow here at PSXe.

First, Ben D. is ALWAYS right. The sooner you accept that the easier life will be for you.

Second, the only off-topic conversation allowed at PSXe is books. If you've read a book, for whatever reason, it's okay to share it.

Third, you need to like turn based jRPG's. It's okay to like FF13, but not too much.

Fourth, concerning that blue-haired Highlander girl you've met. If you want to disagree with him, you'll need to be prepared to make several long winded posts to try and prove your point. He's a fighter ;)

Fifth, my reputation here isn't trusted because I like XBox 360. That's okay, just not too much.

Anyway, follow these rules and you'll fit in just fine ;)

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:23:11 AM

@Temjin,

LOL! Who says you're not trusted? Why, I'd trust you with my last Udon noodle, or something....

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Temjin001
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 3:54:14 PM

lol, yeah, well, I was being funny. But I do try to be honest in all my dealings.

Anyhow, if you wanna be PSN friends go ahead and send me an invite. It's the same as my PSXe name.

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:45:05 AM
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I have spent quite a bit of time reading a lot about GT5, including watching the Now Playing 1hour gig on GameSpot; and not including the many other gameplay videos and trailers, here at PsXeXtreme and the net.

While I can understand much has been added to GT5, I still cannot help feeling that more should have been achieved considering its 5 year development cycle.

I also read the in-depth technical analysis by Digital Foundry which revealed much about the engine specifications and general quality of visuals being achieved by the game.

On the negative side, the comparatively low polygon models of the non-premium cars is disturbing. Probably not so noticeable of you don't look for it, but there is quite a big different between the premium models and the non premium ones, I just would not have thought it would be so stark when looking at the detail.

The alpha blending is quite poorly implemented (when looking at a cars edge through spray for example), not to mention the nasty blocky shadow maps that are very obvious, both in-car and out. This for me is quite a disappointment. Apparently on the replays there can be some horrible shadowing effects running across car surfaces as well. The dreaded bouncing off invisible walls is back - I notices a nasty invisible wall on the Top Gear track during one of the replays :(

Understandably, from a visualisation perspective, these are the sacrifices needed to keeping the frame rate as high as possible, on the other hand you just wish there was consistency through out the title and not just areas where GT5 traditionally excels in.

The 3D was reported to work quite well, giving the player exactly what they need, a sense of depth so that prospective drivers can better time breaking points and position their cars properly for apexes; its an example where the 3D stereoscopic depth perception works well in a video game and has a real sense of purpose and usefulness.

Some of the tracks look quite bland, and the tree texturing and complexity have been curtailed from earlier demo's of GT such as GTHD and Prologue. Digital Foundry make good comparisons on all these details.

Admittedly the one hour play through I watched was poorly presented. It would have been better if Ben was there presenting it and reviewing in real-time. It didn't make the game look good at all, and I really really disliked the camera POV used during that play through as well... made some of the tracks look very bland.

The worst thing for me was the karting special event... it looked very cheap... The coolest thing I saw was the VW van racing on the Top Gear track :)

I will be watching closely to get an idea from peoples comments and further reviews done on GT5 of how much Polyphony will improve on it with the slew of upcoming patches... I for one can wait 6 months before touching it, by then lets hope its the game it was hyped to be...

Happy for the sales numbers though, this will give Polyphony a good cash injection so they can release GT6 to be the GT5 they had hoped to make... they still have a few years to go though.

Having had GTHD and GT Prologue, I know that GT5 is still a worthy purchase, but I am not going to rush out and buy it yet. Keen to see what the patching does for it and get more feedback from people who own it and play it for a while.

...but still, after 5 years, there should have been no technical complaints and a decent online system upon release... its the least expected from Polyphony and a Sony exclusive...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:58:30 AM

Lol Sweedie :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Xzer0
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:59:50 AM

Dude buy the game and decide for yourself don´t belive what other says, belive what you see and feel. This game is great and the soundtrack is beautiful, especcialy classical music, in my opinion.

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SayWord
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:09:51 PM

Man if you love cars and/or previous gt games then you shouldn't hesitate. You are nitpicking at little things that really doesn't take away from the game. Love the game for what it is and not what you want or wish it to be.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:14:07 PM

The majority of people who have "problems" with GT5 haven't yet played it. That's all I'll say about it right now.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:23:11 PM

@Qubex,

Play the game before you start bitching

You're falling into the "Westerners are whiners" category right about now.

It's not a myth after all.

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:32:26 PM

Gents, thank you for your comments; remember, I am not implying it is a "bad" game; from my experiences of previous GT games, including the latter GT HD and GT Prologue (which I own), GT5 should be very good in what it is trying to achieve... but one cannot ignore some of those technical anomalies and attention to detail that made the whole GT series what it was famous for.

The whole point of GT is its technical prowess, it's mark; both from a physics perspective and visual perspective.

I also come back to the point concerning the long development cycle of 5 years.... 5 years is a long time to get things right, no one can dispute that, and with the hype surrounding the title one would have thought that it would have really moved forward from where it was.

I will still get GT5, but as I said, I am going to wait a while and see how things settle. GT5 won't run away, and will probably have to wait a further 5 years for GT6 - even though by the time GT5 is patched up, it will be GT6 :)

Anyway, I will await Ben's review to get a decent understanding of whether those technical issues are really that "bad"... I don't suspect they detract from the gameplay GT5 offers.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:40:48 PM

I'm sorry man but if you had any respect for the past GT games, and this is truly how you feel, punch your self in the face! ;) I kid... But really this is classic GT but it's so much bigger and better than any before it... For all the people who don't see that either you need to play it, or your just not a fan to begin with... Cus once you play it for yourself, I think your mind will quickly change...

Also about the premium cars... Their is 200 of them... 200 of the most detailed, beautiful, and physically accurate cars you will see in any game! Need I remind you that no other racer comes real close to 200 cars at all? That gripe is simply irrelevant considering with just the premiums alone we still have a very good and huge selection on perfect cars. The standards are just a bonus at this point for me. In fact their are some standard cars I like and have wanted but all my purchases have been of the premiums anyways. Not for any reason other than it's such a huge selection and their will always be a car I want out of those 200'

Play the damn game, if you've always been a fan, youd be doing yourself a favor!

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:50:53 PM

Bigrailer, I hear you buddy... yes, I have to admit, 200 cars is a huge amount come to think about it...

I can understand why it took them 5 years to do, considering the detailed interiors and the like... huge respect for what they have done... and as I stated, I will be getting it, but just not right now...

I will be all ears and eyes to see what the patching does, especially to the online. I am keen to hear how its been improved and what the online experience is like once things are running smoothly...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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bigrailer19
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:13:45 PM

I just have a feeling once you play it you'll love it is all... I was upset when I started reading reviews but once I jumped in for myself, I quickly realized it's the GT I wanted!

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:27:34 PM

@Qubex,

I've posted my first impressions user review for your (and everyone else's pleasure). Whatever Digital Foundry (or any other self appointed technical analysis site) says, the game looks really good. Yes the polygon count on the standard cars is lower than the premiums. Actually I would say it is more akin to the polygon count of GT4, than GT5 Prologue, but that's not a surprise considering a) how few cars there were in Prologue, b) how ridiculously long it takes to fully model a car in HD, and c) how freaking many cars there were in GT4 in the first place.

The thing about complaining about the alpha blending or the jaggies that are evident on a still image of a standard car is that when the game is in motion and you are playing, none of that will matter. The control and physics of the game are awesome. The environments are very realistically rendered, and the cars look great, the premium cars are peerless.

Honestly, the game runs and renders at, or very close to 1080p, very few games can achieve this. It they'd gone for a lower resolution, then perhaps they could have implemented better handling of the lower polygon models and alpha blending, but if they'd dropped the resolution, the game would lack something.

People need to stop relying on others to count pixels and make subjective judgments. Instead of listening to self appointed graphics experts, try the game yourself and make up your own mind. I guarantee that if you are looking for a racing/driving game that provides a high fidelity racing and driving experience, GT5 is the best you will find.

As I said yesterday. This is the Gran Turismo you've been looking for.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:30:00 PM

Pay attention, this is a guy who doesn't even have the game is basing ALL of his statements on youtube videos (compressed quality videos).

I have the game and can say without a doubt that it is the best looking racer out of them all.

Unlike Qubex, I have the game. As does bigrailer and others here.

Sorry to say this Qubex, but you're spewing a lot of bullshit from your mouth.

Come back when you actually played the game.

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Nova77
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:05:29 PM

Seriously? You couldn't be further from the truth about the karting. It's great fun and feels very real. Damn, every race feels spectacular, the graphics - incredible (the shadows are probably the worst part I admit). Try racing around Nurburgring Nordshleife in the rain with a 500+ bhp car and maybe then you can critisise this masterpiece.

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Fane1024
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:22:27 PM

"I also come back to the point concerning the long development cycle of 5 years.... and will probably have to wait a further 5 years for GT6"

If the history of the series is any indication, it'll probably be 6 years. With the exception of GT3 (surprisingly given the jump to PS2), each iteration has taken a number of years (roughly) equal to its "number":

GT Dec 1997/May 1998
GT2 Dec 1999/Jan 2000
GT3 Apr 2001/Jul 2001
GT4 Dec 2004/Feb 2005
GT5 Nov 2010/Nov 2010

Seriously, how did they finish GT3 so quickly and why can't they replicate it?

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Xombito
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:21:46 PM

I've played this game as well. This game looks fantastic. The positives far outweigh the negitives graphically speaking. Digital Foundary is a lame and pointless site.

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Temjin001
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 10:56:20 PM

While 1280x1080 isn't full on 1920x1080p, the horizontal res was the smartest to boost between the two. And it places GT5 a cut above it's closest competition in this regard. Basically, the horizon line in most racers run horizontally. Gaining that pixel boost in this respect yields more precisions as objects recede into the background.

It was a smart move on PD's part.

As for Quincunx AA, at higher res the ill side effects of Quincunx isn't as apparent, but regardless, as a matter of preference, I think I'd prefer to have no Quincunx than any Quincunx.
And besides for any Quincunx haters out there, a person can always run GT5 in an also awesome 720p @ 4xMSAA.

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Qubex
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 6:21:18 AM

Thank you all for your comments. I will definitely be trying it. Considering I have played Prologue intensely I am expecting a similar core experience, just with more cars and tracks. In Prologue those graphical glitches that are present have obviously not been solved in their entirety, but as many of you say, during play they are not so noticeable. On the replays though those graphical glitches would be I expect, as they were in Prologue.

Scarecrow... please don't refer to me "as this guy"... I am not just any guy, I have a name, its "Qubex", and have been on this site for many years commenting. I try to be as fair as possible and appreciate feedback in all its forms. I expect some respect as I would respect you and your opinion... which I do. There is also something you must learn and understand about me. I don't take things at face value, I don't blindly follow the crowds or conform to what is popular.

I like think for myself and deliberate on issues that are important to me... I take my time, and now I am much more careful about spending a dime. I will only purchase something if I feel it satisfies me. If I feel that technically it is not good enough, or I feel the developer has been lazy, I will not reward them.

Interesting to see that the majority of people that did read my comment seemed to have agreed on the number of points I raised. So "this guy" must have been saying something right ...right?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Qubex
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 6:36:07 AM

Thanks the Highlander... I will be reading it shortly :)

Q!

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spiderboi
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 11:32:47 AM

My biggest grip with GT5? As with other GT games, the licenses coz of the fact that I'm not that a great driver :p

But yeah, seeing the cars, the interiors and the tracks, I was expecting to be blown away by the sharpest most realistic graphics. Not quite there, but it was very pretty.

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daus26
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:33:47 PM

"...but still, after 5 years, there should have been no technical complaints and a decent online system upon release... its the least expected from Polyphony and a Sony exclusive..."

To be fair, one must know how things really work in the development process to judge how things get done and how they're executed. Yes, it's been well over 5 years of development, but we have to put in the fact that PD is a very small team compared to others. They don't get third party help like most other games would.

Also, those premium models do take time to achieve, and with them taking 3-6 months each to make, I'm surprised they've reached over 200 of them. Besides the cars, some of the real city/race tracks take about a year to complete. So the content we've recieved out of the gate should do just.

Another factor is that plans were changed midway in the cycle, since 1 or 2 years since starting development, they decided to start from scratch with the game engine. Then consider other things like marketing plans for GT5P as well as the development for GTPSP.

Other than that, Kaz did say that GT5 is not complete yet based on "his" expectation. Whether we'll see that expectation in GT6 or through a later update in GT5 remains to be seen. I'm just glad they released the game already. Besides, it's simply awesome anyway. If you expect more out of it, then wait for GT6, but seriously, would you really do that?

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Xzer0
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:51:26 AM
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I bought my GT5 on a first day. I live in Estonia and it costed to me 69,90 euros.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:53:31 AM
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My dad got me the collector's edition, it hasn't been delivered yet unfortunately. My brother brought over the new Wheel of Time (Towers of Midnight FUCK YEAH!) last night, so I'll be occupying my time with that for the forseeable future.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:25:08 PM

It's ok, I hear a lot of CEs are on back-order... too many people pre-ordered them it seems.

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daus26
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 6:31:47 AM

Yeah, I haven't received my CE pre-order from Amazon either. I know there shouldn't be any type of shortage problem because I did pre-order it as soon as it came up in Amazon.... or does that even matter?

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Athrin
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:13:30 PM
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i wonder if Uncharted 3 will beat GT5

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:24:26 PM

It won't, GT5 is international, and with a dedicated fanbase.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:35:46 PM

Highly doubtful, if not downright impossible. Uncharted is technically a new IP on Sony machines, part of their gamble this gen by letting established developers create new IP for the system (Uncharted rules btw, just to clear the air, not criticizing the choice). It just hasn't had the nearly two decades of pedigree, nor the vast, vast amounts of replayability that the GT series does.

But, I _do_ hope that UC3 sets sales charts on fire. That I certainly hope for.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:27:20 PM
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What I find interesting is that those who actually have the game love it. Those who rely on websites....well they're missing out.

Reminds me of the time MGS4 came out, the game wasn't technically perfect either, yet it was a gem of a game.

Easily GOTY

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:45:43 PM

I hear what you are saying Scarecrow, but I don't do what I used to do 3 to 4 years ago, at the start of this new console generation; which was to rush out and get a game without careful deliberation.

I got burnt on a few earlier titles. Now I am very skeptical; even exclusives... I really do need to read alot about it, hear what people have to say, read multiple reviews and watch as many videos on it as possible before I go out and spend money...

I am just ultra careful and I only want the best of games in my collection from this current generation. When I look at it I must know its the best it could have been for its class of game...

My gut feeling tells me to wait on GT5 until its been patched up and some of its issues are ironed out... nothing wrong with that right!

Also, I do want to drive that Red Bull concept car...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:48:17 PM

To me it's a wonderful game.

I've posted a user review - kind of a first impressions.

There's no point posting an in depth review just yet, I'm just not deeply enough into the game, but I've completed the beginner and amateur license tests and have got gold in all the beginner events, now I am working through the Amateur events. So I think I have played enough to give a reasonable first impression.

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Qubex
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:53:37 PM

Highlander, I look forward to reading your in-depth review. I am also wanting to know in detail how the damage modeling works with the premium car sets as well... please do go into detail with this.

I also haven't seen much on the Nascar and Rally sections, how deep are they?

What did you think of the Karting special event? From what I saw of the play through videos, it didn't look appealing.

Are you using a wheel?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:34:48 PM

Not using a wheel, I haven't found one that I can mount on a surface well enough that I can't yang the darned thing into the air while playing. So it's the DS3 for me.

I haven't done the karting event yet, I'll get to that this evening.

I've only seen light damage so far, so I can't comment on that yet, and the beginner races have not included any weather effects. We'll have to wait and see how that all works out.

I will repeat though that the physics appear to be right there, and the control is perfect.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:36:07 PM

Qubex,

So you're a gamer who likes to read instead of play?

Go to Best Buy, play the demo and decide for yourself.

You're making yourself look bad.

There's nothing like actually playing the game, lol.

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ABUrabad
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:37:50 PM

all these events at GT5 is the big sign for the hard work PD has made during the last 4 years we should all be sure that taking 4 years developing this game was not focusing only on graphics but also on providing new events on game ,this game is hugely much bigger than any other game ever been released to date

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:58:06 PM

@Sweedie,

I may try that, whatever I put the wheel on it has to be permanently mounted on it, a fold yo table might work because I can rest my feet on the base to hold it steady.

Regarding the game itself. I'd sum it all up with this.

No other racing game has such accurate physics or car models. The 200+ premium car models outnumber the cars in any other game, the 800 standard ones are like an added bonus. This is the *only* racing sim to run at anything close to 1080p, and it looks gorgeous. The real world locations are modeled to a 'T'. They look just like the real place. If all you do it look at the game from the point of view of the Premium cars, this is the single best racing game this generation regardless of platform.

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ABUrabad
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:06:14 PM

And the game is still growing

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:52:54 PM

@Qubex,

The karting is interesting. It's very different and you can play a drivers eye view, which I enjoyed best. The tracks are obviously small in scale - they are for go-karts after all. The carts slip and slide white realistically, and the sense of acceleration you get when driving a kart is there. The snap steering is well done too, it's so easy to over-steer in those things, again, just as it is in reality. I've driven some karts before, and this felt quite familiar.

The Nascar event is basically a long tutorial on drafting. The second test in the basic event is to pass four cars using drafting. It's easy enough to get bronze, or silver, but the Gold will elude you until you realize that you have to draft the car on the right, and if you do it just right you come out of the last turn doing about 215 drafting the 2nd place car and then the 1st place car. So it's possible to get that one, but not easy.

I tried the game at 720p and 1080i. I think that despite any perceived frame rate flaws (I don't detect any problems myself) the 1080p looks far better than the 720p. Someone suggested that the game performs anti-aliasing at 720p, but if it does, I was not seeing the benefit. I will say though that the standard cars look a little better around the wheel arch in 720p, they still look better in motion at 1080p.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 10:13:42 PM

I have a wheel, it works like a dream I'm not sure what kind it is i have it somewhere boxed up when i get GT5 I'm going to nab it, it also has a mount for surfaces. :P

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GuardianMode
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 12:36:16 PM
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Other sites with personal agendas are sites to ignore(IGN,Kotaku,1UP). They have sold out to the all mighty advertizing dollars. These people need to buy the game and experience its greatness. Otherwise they should keep quiet.

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hafizahid
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:07:46 PM
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Hey Ben, since we are talking about PS3 exclusives and GT5 sales and all, can you put up the numbers for all the heavyweights like GoW III, Uncharted 2, MGS4 and the others? I think now would be a good time to take another look at how those sold so we can compare them with GT5.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:14:23 PM

Current Top 5:

CoD: MW2 - 8.86m
GTAIV - 6.91m
CoD: MW - 5.42m
MGS4 - 5m
CoD: Black Ops - 4.77m

Current Top 5 PS3 Exclusives:

MGS4 - 5m
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue - 4.01 (this metric is retail sold, it does not include digital downloads via PSN)
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves - 3.81m
LittleBigPlanet - 3.78m
Resistance: Fall of Man - 3.71m

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:03:13 PM

Mornelithe

It was reported this last week that GT5 Prologue had hit 5 million sales.

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Mornelithe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:37:59 PM

@ TheHighlander: I wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to 6m myself, with PSN included. I've always had a sinking suspicion it was probably the highest selling PS3 exclusive, even topping MGS4.

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phade2blaq
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:27:04 PM
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Pre-ordered my copy and missed Fed Ex delivery on Friday so I won't get my game until Monday but I'm still aching to play this puppy ! I almost bought it today when I went to walmart but I resisted the urge and decided to wait for my copy to arrive on Monday !

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STAY3R
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:29:40 PM
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who cares about the sells? my ps3 is on since last night, never played any game like this before, it's sooo addictive. If u got 60bucks in hand and want to spend that cash on gaming than buy this game, this is epic, this is huge and this is awesum.
objections against gt5:
poor damage effects: We are here to race with supercars not any junkyard metal box. A basic principle of driving is not getting into a wreck, and that's something that GT takes to heart. Arcade racers may be all about the crash — and that's fine — but GT is about not getting into crashes, going slow into the corners and coming out fast.
Occasional 45-50 fps: uncheck the 1080p in the display options menue, this way the game runs in 720p wid 4x anti aliasing, results super smooth graphics with no frame rate issues

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Mornelithe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:40:11 PM

Sales are actually fairly important, this game was a huge financial investment for Polyphony, so it doing well is important to the franchise and to their company.

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sawao_yamanaka
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:47:50 PM

The further you get into the game the more of the damage you unlock.

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ABUrabad
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:28:13 PM

mentioning the profit from this game ,the 60 million were spend at both GT5 and GT5 prologue , with prologue sales were over than 4 million beside the the unknown number of the digital download from PSN all of us will easily figure that most of the 60 million has been returned back to SONY so what ever GT5 sells now there will be still a great profit margin , but the other thing that Sony cares about is the hardware sales thats follow the release of this game which will diffidently give the Sony the edge over other consoles at Christmas sales

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:04:38 PM

Hmmm... I shall try it at 720p to see how it looks, if it does in fact turn on 4xAA then it should look pretty awesome at 720p or 1080p.

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JCARROLL
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:20:48 PM

@Stay3r. GT5 has the most realistic damage I've ever seen. It unlocks better damage as you level up.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:57:43 PM

@STAY3R,

I tried 720p, 1080i and 1080p as the maximum enabled resolutions on the PS3 and although I could see a visible difference, IMHO 1080p still looks better. I saw no evidence of any 4xAA happening at 720p, and I would have expected the same AA to happen at 1080i, but again, I didn't see anything that indicated it was being done.

1080p has substantially more visual detail than 720p, and looks fine to me.

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STAY3R
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 4:11:45 AM

@TheHighlander: bro, if your screen is bigger than 32 than you better stick with the forced 1080p, but my1 is 32 sharp aquous, and it looks fantastic in forced 720p.
720p runs with 4x anti aliasing
1080p runs with 2x anti aliasing
u can notice the difference by looking at the cable wires and street lamps and various other slimmer objects
overall, 720p runs smoothest, with no slowdown whatsoever

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 4:10:28 PM

That's possible, but I still think I would see some impact of the 4xAA at 720p on a smaller screen. I couldn't see any impact really.

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jami
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:32:38 PM
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where is psxextreme's GT5 review? i'd have thought it'd be up by now. the game has been out several days now. why the delay with such a high profile title?

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STAY3R
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 1:40:15 PM

lmao, bro 6 years in development and 60million dollars to make; you still need a review?
when you are buying a frap from starbucks means that you are getting it's worth, go and get this game instead of waiting for the review, it's possibly the best racing game since gt3.

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piratedrunk
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:06:14 PM

This game is so huge most reviews that are out now have only skimmed the surface of the game.

As your level increases more and more of the game opens up and that takes quite a while.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:05:48 PM

$60 million, at about a 40% take on retail sales that's $24 per copy sold which translates to anything above 3 million copies sold being extremely profitable for Polyphony.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:49:22 PM

Sorry. We just thought we should play GT5 long enough to issue an accurate review.

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Snaaaake
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 5:31:20 PM

There's no need to rush.
IGN said they wanna experience the online first and they came up with the review FIRST.

Yea, that's good review by rushing out one.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:32:04 PM

@Jami,

In addition to Ben's comment about being thorough, remember that the game went through a last minute build change that delayed manufacturing. Reviewers have probably not had their copies for much longer than we've had the retail version (perhaps no longer at all). With a game of this depth, a good review takes time. That's one of the biggest issues I have with IGN and others who posted Day 1 reviews of a game that you can't possibly play to any depth and properly review in that amount of time.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:58:12 PM

Actually, I recall reading something a while back about that $60 million estimate being for the time of Prologue. The final estimate was going to look more like 80 million.. So, over four million.
Peace.

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JCARROLL
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:18:25 PM

@Ben. Make sure you get to level 40 and see the full damage modelling.

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Ricochet
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:05:02 AM

Ben should at least have an idea of the damage and AI once he reaches lvl 20 and above. The review at least should be able to cover that accurately as oppsed to *cough other *cough reviewers.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:30:31 AM

@Lawless,

Kevin Butler wearing a GT5/Polyphony polo shirt is standing in the background punching the air and chanting - EASY! EASY! EASY!

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 2:12:14 PM
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I haven't played any GT game in the past, I was not that big in racing. I only owned the NFS titles. But if I pick this up this will be my first sim racing game. So I hope this will be a big test for me.

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STAY3R
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 2:29:11 PM

you will obviously enjoy it if you love cars.
My grandpa (68), bought ps3 only for this game.
Do i need to say anything else?

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AcHiLLiA
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:49:46 PM

nope, I do love cars so I will definalety check this game out.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 2:48:52 PM
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You guys are "driving" me crazy. I had a dream I bought this and it sucked. Too much discussion, I'm sure it rules.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:06:17 PM

It does, in fact, rule.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 11:13:54 PM

World,
May I suggest you start dreaming about those jigglie lil T&A's in Onechanbara:Bikini Samurai Squad?

Or maybe all those 44 Double D+ gals in a certain Volleyball game? LOL

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frylock25
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:15:09 AM

world if you play it on b-spec mode you do not have to do the driving. you give them orders. and everything levels up and feels kind of rpg'ish. lol just trying to talk you into buying the game.

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thj_1980
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:31:47 PM
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hopefully the number will go to 6 million.

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DemonNeno
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:44:40 PM
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Yep, this game is everything I expected and then some. First day purchase for me! I must say that smoke effect hinders the visual quality *at times* but it's happens less often than not. Being a PC gamer, I can tell you shadow effects can cost some serious pipeline consumption. To me, this is a cost far too great for what out truly delivers. We're not playing a groundhog game, after all! Haha

For all the nagging going on, I'm just confused about what people wanted..? You don't like the menus..? Really? I hope you're not infatuated with them! The emphasis is on the cars, physics and environmental changes that impact your vehicle and your vision.

What are you waiting for? But this game and I'll put money on it that you'll absolutely LOVE it! If you don't, your not human.

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STAY3R
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 3:59:15 PM

haha, did u notice the environmental shadows that pass you in cockpit view? simply jaw dropping
and so far best use of ssao(screen space ambient occlusion) in a console game

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:44:31 PM

Indeed. As for the menus, things change, as do menus. There's nothing to stop Polyphony modifying or improving the menus over time.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 4:45:34 PM

Special Stage Route 7 (14 mile track)

Tell me that's not the most beautiful track you have ever seen in a racing game.

I literally couldn't believe my eyes

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 5:42:32 PM
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Rather than add to the giant mess of posts up above, i'll just say this:

GT5 is awesome. I'm really picky about what games i buy; i think i have maybe a dozen ps3 games. Theres nothing i hate more than a game that is bad, but GT5 is not at all.
Could it be better? Of course. The shadows could be smoothed out, the AI could be a little more aggressive at times (though i've not advanced too far yet, so it might get better later on), and more premium cars would be great. But that doesnt make GT5 suck, that just makes it less than perfect.
GT5 doesnt do everything right, but its still the best racing game out there. I do feel that after so many years of development it could have been better, but its already the best, so its a minor disappointment up against a slew of awesome aspects of the game.

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STAY3R
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:07:34 PM

16 highly detailed cars, all rendered simultaneously is one heck of a task, soo yeah in some of the tracks some standard car shadows look jaggy i admit, but if u point out fault like this than no video game on earth will get perfect 10 anymore, this is pure awesumness, and we all should be happy enough with what polyphony did, they are infact the best

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RebelJD
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 5:48:49 PM
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I believe GT5 has legs that will extend its life span well past its great first week sales.

For once, continued & scheduled patches to a certain video game are looked forward to, applauded, and welcomed by me.

Gran Turismo 5 is an amazing game, a diamond in the rough.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 6:37:00 PM
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To sum it all up once more;

200+ premium cars fully modeled and rendered in HD (outnumbering the cars in any other game).

800 additional bonus 'standard' cars that are rendred and modeled at a lower level of detail than the premium.

Accurate world, surface and car physics. Very accurate and responsive controls. The cars you drive 'feel' right.

The *only* racing sim on a console to run at anything close to 1080p, and one of the few games of any kind running and rendering at that resolution on a console.

Looks gorgeous.

The real world locations are modeled to a 'T'. They look just like the real place.

If you look at GT5 only using the Premium cars, this is the single best racing game this generation regardless of platform. Everything else is icing on the cake.


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JCARROLL
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:15:24 PM

Don't forget the unbelievable damage modelling, Highlander. Once you get to level 40 you unlock full car deformation. Damage is calculated in real time and affects aerodynamics and car performance. It's sad that all the sites like IGN that rushed out their reviews and couldn't wait to bash it will never get to level 40 and see it. Look up "Gran Turismo 5 advance damage" on Youtube, it's amazing.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:46:15 PM

If IGN was using a retail copy of the game their review really could not have been based on more than the beginner events, the B license and maybe a few of the special events. If they were using a pre-production copy, then they were not reviewing what we are playing.

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AntDC
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:01:28 PM

You bet me too it NaughtyDog Fan!

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:08:11 PM

Gamespot is taking their time playing it. They posted an article saying that PD took their time making the game, so GS is taking their time reviewing it. Fair enough. Theres soooo much in GT5 that rushing a review out right away is just moronic.

I'm interested in what Arnold has to say. I know he will take his time and explore the game enough to make an educated call instead of just slapping on a number.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 8:26:12 AM

It's pathetic of them to complain not enough premium cars when no other racing games even had 100 premium cars.

Kazu could have easily put in just 200 premium cars and leave it at that, but the 800 others is just an extra.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 7:17:42 PM
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Those sales figures are rather epic, but then so is the game. I haven't posted over the last two days for several reasons, and GT5 is one of them. I haven't played much of the game at all so far, but I am loving it. I'm not going to go in depth, as plenty of people have done so above me, but I will be putting up a review... in about three weeks after I've had time to explore it.

Will GT5 be the best selling PS3 exclusive to date? The answer is a simple yes, as it is an established franchise with a near rabid fanbase. Will it be the best selling PS3 exclusive ever? That is doubtful. GT6 will be up there, and I'm sure that Sony will come up with something for the Move that will go ridiculous, but GT5 is deserving of every sale it gets, just like Uncharted 2, GoW3 and Heavy Rain.
Peace.

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AntDC
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 8:59:50 PM
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Hey guys if you were really disappointed with the damage modelling, well, there's a reason for that! It takes until level 40 apparently to unlock the full deal! : Check this out for further clarification! :)

http://n4g.com/news/654183/gran-turismo-5-level-40-advanced-damage-modelling-video-will-shock-you

Early reviewers must feel pretty stupid for slamming the damage eh?

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:06:46 PM

Early reviewers will not give a damn about this, they rush their reviews for a reason. They think that they are somehow taking GT5 and Polyphony down a peg or two with their review, when in fact all they are doing is making themselves look bad by rushing a review of a game that has depth in spades.

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JCARROLL
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:15:38 PM

I doubt they ever even got to see the endurance events either. Some of them are ridiculous!

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:27:28 PM

I heard rumors that there will be another patch soon that adds more detail to the damage and converts some of the standard cars to premium. Idk if this is true at all, but it would be neat. We all know Kaz is a perfectionist so it only makes sense that he'd want to keep adjusting things as time goes on, especially since this is the first GT that can actually be patched.

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Highlander
Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 10:27:46 PM

@Bandit.

I would be truly shocked if future patches or DLC did not include additional premium versions of current standard cars, as well as new cars, and new courses.

Other games charge $1.99 for a new car. Considering the detail level in GT5 that would be cheap at the price, and I would definitely pay $5-$10 for a new course.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 8:27:42 AM

But what's the point of having to unlock full damage?
This thing should be available right from the bat.

Initial impression is very very important if you wanna sell a product.

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dante_zero
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 12:30:00 AM
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looks like Sony will meet their expectation of selling 8 million copies before the end of the year. I'd love to know what effect its had on PS3 console sales. As for place like IGN they need to just go and die. I'm loving GT5 it's everything i expected and more and seeing the negative responses makes me sad but my Signature edition with the stealth SLS AMG more than makes up for that.

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b3mike
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 12:30:58 AM
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Take that haters!

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___________
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:16:52 AM
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not surprising considering this is GT!
if memory serves me, GT5P a glorified 100 dollar demo sold 5M copies!
one thing that ive noticed is not all the cars are listed in the used or new car lots.
i checked in there last night because i wanted to buy a alfa 147GTA or a GTV but neither were there so i stuck with my upgraded civic tpye R.
than, next race i enter 2 of my competitors were racing alfa GTVs.
WTF?
they can use GTVs and i cant?

GT5 is a fantastic game, but its not a GT game.
just like assassins creed brotherhood, just like GOW3, just like almost every sequel this year they have not lived up too the series expectations.
:(
GT5 is a fantastic game, but its not a gran turismo fantastic game!

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:28:36 AM

How is GT5 not a Gran Turismo game? Seriously, how? That's a ridiculous statement to make, let's here something to back it up please.

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STAY3R
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 4:02:42 AM

@ the guy without any name: lol, gow3 have not lived up too the series expectations??? buddy i dunno what kinda ganja u smoke!!! or may be you are one of those guys who comes here to throw the flame and cries with a white game pad with red, blue, green, yellow face buton in their hand.
and brotherhood is awesume too, i expected worse, but ubi has done a decent job, never expected the solo campaign to be this big, max bang for the bucks
and i have nothing to say against the comment u made about gt5, chances are u have not even played it yet, get a life man

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___________
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 6:52:44 AM

GT5 is not a GT game because GT games have always been about purity.
kaz use to spend his time adding one thing, perfecting it rinse and repeat till release.
now its add everything, o oops we dont have time to perfect it, so will release it than perfect it in patches.
starting to get sick of this mentality in developers lately.
especially the AI, why is it that if they crash into me its fine but if i crash into them im instantly disqualified?
im trying to finish the C-10 license which is 2 laps around the Rome circuit with a old Ferrari.
only been on it for a half hour, but if i had a penny for every millionth time the AI has done a PIT on me causing me to spin out i would be a multimillionaire by now!
i spin them out im instantly disqualified, they spin me out meh who cares.
HTF is that fair!?

GT has always been notorious for having pathetic AI, so i thought in the freaking 6 freaking years they spent making this dam game, i dunno, maybe they could put a little of that time to improving the AI?
as i said above they have spent more time saying oh nooooo we dont have enough cars, oh noooo we dont have enough tracks, oh nooo we dont have nascar, rally ect ect.
GT is about the driving experience, so there is no point having all sorts of racing, every car, every track if the racing experience is out of whack!
GT5 should of been just the licenses and the A spec, that way PD would of had heaps of time to polish it and maybe improve the AI, what they REALLY needed to do!
as i always say quality over quantity.
i much rather 1 glass of pure water than 1000 gallons of muddy water!
thats what GT5 is, it should of been one thing done perfectly but instead its 1000 things done meh.

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daus26
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:52:20 PM

If you're applying to the number of standards over premium car models, let me ask you this:

Would you rather just stick with the 200, ultra-detailed models?

or.. the 200, ultra-detailed models PLUS the 800 plus standard models? Just take them as bonuses. If not, PD has chosen their premium models with enough variety to depend on them alone.

You're talking about quality over quantity. Well, 200 premium cars are already a lot more than any other racing games, especially with the level of details they're showing. Yes, FM would have more cars if it stuck with 200, but obviously they're not as detailed and time consuming compared to GT5's premium.

Other than that, just give them credit for trying to please what the fans have hoped for. The fans wanted weather, day/night transition, and other really complicated features, and they got it. Yes, it's not as deep, but we have to keep in mind on other factors that would limit what's been executed, like time, PS3's hardware power, and just the fact that they're trying achieve so much with their small team of theirs.

Honestly, I think a lot of people set their expectation to high, and expected this game to be PlayStation 4 quality, which is just ridiculous.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 10:50:28 PM

Mr. "Zero Credibility"(aka _________ )
has struck once again

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___________
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 6:50:23 AM

im not talking about the standard cars, that i could not care less about.
its the AI thats really let me down in this game, the ONLY thing that needed to be improved from GT4 and its the only thing that really has not.
ive stopped playing GT5 now, seriously thinking about taking it back tomorrow.
really pisses me off because the AI is constantly causing me to crash and im disqualified.
they slam into me meh who cares, i crash into them im instantly disqualified!
HTF is that fair?
im trying to finish the C-10 license but cant because every single frigging time i do it normally on the 2nd or 3rd corner a enemy slams into the side or back of me causing me to go spinning into the wall and i get disqualified.
i pit them causing them to spin i get disqualified, they do the same to me?
ahhhhh, who cares!
HTF is that fair!?
enjoyability is EVERYTHING in a game, if you dont enjoy playing a game than your going to stop playing it now arent you?
everytime i put GT5 in my ps3 it makes me want to hurl my G27 through the TV!

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tanner1
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:58:01 AM
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I love the game, best racing sim on the market. Why oh why cant i upgrade my brakes that came out of a christmas cracker?

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Snaaaake
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 7:22:08 AM
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God damn, my collector's edition faced shipment problem, my source told me that earliest of getting it would be on tuesday or wednesday so yea, **** ME!!

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daus26
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:34:38 PM

May I ask where you ordered from? I pre-ordered mine from Amazon and still haven't received it either.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:08:48 PM

I've gathered that Amazon ran out and had to try to fulfill orders from other sources. The retailers essentially over-committed sales of the CE. I'm thinking they may have to crank out some more, and there will be some annoyed gamers.

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daus26
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 6:42:43 AM

TheHighlander, you know if it matters how early you pre-order it? I pre-ordered waaaay back, as soon as it was available for sale. Do I get priorities, or do I have to deal with the shortages too?

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Highlander
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 2:05:57 PM

Not sure Daus,

I'd have thought that the earlier you pre-ordered, the earlier you'd be on the shipping list. I think you probably need to get onto Amazon or whoever and demand to know where your game is.

One thing, did you make any change to your pre-order at any time? I've been told that any change to an order at Amazon effectively removes it from the original place in line and places it at the end of the line again. So if you modify the order really late, it's possible your game is one of the last to ship.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 12:17:43 PM
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Do you know what - I'm a little disappointed with GT5.

I dont think the massive developement cycle has done them any favours.

I really think they could/should have been able to produce this game a long time ago.

I really wanted this game to be the icing on the cake for PS3, I'm massively dis-appointed. Still at least I've got Uncharted 2!

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 2:11:13 PM

You know, you sound awfully like someone who hasn't played it yet and are making judgments based on bulletin board fodder. Why don't you try the game and make up your mind based on, say, playing half a dozen races in a premium car and a couple of sets of license tests. That should be more than sufficient to convince you that the game is worth it.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 4:09:53 PM

Not at all.

I've owned them all, got GTPSP. Forgot to add - I got this on launch as well.

For a 5yr window I was expecting a lot.

The fun just isnt there in this one. I can nail it down, it's got the Batman thing going.

Apologies if you dont like my opinion - that's all it is; I'm not telling you not to buy it.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 4:13:36 PM

If the fun isn't there for you then it's not there. May I ask, have you gone back to GT4 or Prologue or GT PSP since playing GT5? I can't see any of them feeling like fun if GT5 doesn't to you.

Apologies for wrongly assuming you hadn't played the game, your initial comment kind of came across that way, but I was wrong to assume.

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D1g1tal5torm
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 6:03:15 PM

I have gone back to prologue a few times.

gtpsp - I commute so I've played/play it a lot.

I might have a take on why the fun isnt there.
It's lost some of it's racing edge and gone totally out as a sim.

It's totally a case of having the right car for the job. The AI really isnt great and I think that for 5 yrs in dev, I was maybe hoping for a little more in the brains dept.

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daus26
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 6:39:42 AM

I don't know what you mean by fun, but PD did have plans to make a simple Gran Turismo game that we all love, and that was GTHD. If you wanted a quick GT game it would be that. GT5 however, isn't something that could be finished in a short time.

I don't have the game yet, but I know that the game can't possibly lose whatever racing edge it had in the previous GTs. How would that be possible?

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DeusExMachina
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:01:15 PM
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This is gonna seem a bit off topic, but I just cant take it anymore, I need to at least check if someone else knows the answer: Why does everyone hate sony? When did hating sony become such a fashion statement?

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Scarecrow
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:12:53 PM

Ever heard of "idiotic Americanism?"

Yeah

While it doesn't apply to everyone, it is there.

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Highlander
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 4:26:22 PM

Sony BMG tried to put DRM on music CDs and the people that built the DRM software for them used a very nasty tactic that bricked some PCs. Everyone blamed Sony.

Sony makes (or used to make) lots of Lithium Ion batteries, not long after the DRM debacle, there were some incidents with batteries that 'exploded'. Because Sony was a leading maker of the batteries, a lot of them were Sony batteries. Despite evidence that many (NOT all) of the instances were due to things other than a flaw in the battery , most people - and the US media in particular, blamed Sony. Sony recalled millions of batteries and was ridiculed for doing it.

This was all during the years prior to the PS3 launch. leading up to the launch of the PS3 the press around sony took a decidedly negative turn, possibly due to people wanting to dethrone the kind, possibly due to many geeks having a slightly irrational grudge because of the DRM thing, and possibly due in part to an underhanded marketing campaign by another console maker. However when the PS3 launched at an unheard of, and ridiculous price of $500 and $600, it was as if someone unleashed a firestorm.

Personally, I think that a lot of this has to do with parochial, perhaps even jingoistic, bias among the majority of the web and media's tech writers. Either way, it's gone on for so long now that it's almost ingrained in some of the minds behind it. They literally think that Sony did something terrible and must somehow be punished. I've seen people express the sentiment that Sony should be punished for releasing the PS3 at such a high price. Punished?

In truth, Sony Computer Entertainment International had exactly nothing to do with either the DRM fiasco or the batteries or any other imagined sleight that Sony has committed. SCEI is 'guilty' of launching a video console with supercomputer speed and a high pricetag, that was initially hard to develop for.

The other odd aspect is BluRay. Despite HD-DVD being an almost entirely proprietary standard, and BluRay being a industry standard promoted by 30-odd companies. BluRay was portrayed as being Sony proprietary, and Sony was supposedly forcing this technology on people. There were asrtoturfing campaigns to promote HD-DVD and denigrate BluRay for nearly 18 months until HD-DVD finally did what it should have, and died. In truth, BluRay is/was superior in capacity and data rates. It was often portrayed as slower and somehow less capable than HD-DVD, but as we all know, that really wasnt the case. However it provided yet another focus of negativity against Sony.

In the end, Sony's biggest 'crimes' seem to be 1) Being successful, and 2) not being American.

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DeusExMachina
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 7:00:13 AM

Thanx for that tidbit Highlander, I pretty much figured it was those 2 points, I jus needed to hear it from someone, to kno Im not alone.

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DeusExMachina
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 7:00:35 AM

Thanx for that tidbit Highlander, I pretty much figured it was those 2 points, I jus needed to hear it from someone, to kno Im not alone.

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DeusExMachina
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:09:14 PM
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Just as a side note. You know an online gaming critic loses its credibility when it gives Forza 3 a 94 and 85 to GT5 *cough* IGN *cough*. Seriously how can you be a bigger fanboy? See its stuff like this, these things happen all the time and people just play dumb. Its fricken infuriating, cause for this entire gen Sony's just been getting flack or not their just deserts, while the competition comes out with less and laclustre attempts and they get garnered with honours. What has happened to my beloved game industry, are we doomed in being monopolised by M$ again?

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DeusExMachina
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:14:22 PM

I said again cause you can c what happened with the PC operating system market: M$ monopolised with windows even tho its one of the most unreliable and unstable operating systems around, it gets all the glory (but we already butt fucked ourselves on that one, there's no way of getting loose from M$ and window's grip now. Lets jus hope the same thing doesnt happen to the gaming industry)

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daus26
Sunday, November 28, 2010 @ 1:38:51 PM

I honestly don't know IGN's fanboy status (cause they did gave GT4 a 9.5), but I do know they at least got the wrong guy reviewing it. Seriously, I can easily tell the person who reviewed the game don't know the merits of the GT franchise and what it is really about. What he basically did imo was nitpicking about features and details that applies to the other racing games that have a totally different focus and priority to what it's trying to achieve.

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___________
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 6:52:12 AM

most unreliable OS?
dunno what you have been using, but windows has always been much more reliable than OSX or Linux!
besides vista that was a frigging mess!

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Underdog15
Tuesday, November 30, 2010 @ 8:11:29 AM

"dunno what you have been using, but windows has always been much more reliable than OSX or Linux!"

........................ *sigh*

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BigBoss4ever
Monday, November 29, 2010 @ 11:13:47 AM
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this is such a boring game, in fact, gran turismo has been boring since GT3. cuz same old same old, just improving in graphics. good to see sony did well tho. but that was about it for me. never gonna buy any GT game since GT3

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