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Yamauchi Takes GT5 Questions, Talks Updates And Features

Polyphony Digital boss and Gran Turismo creator has been a good sport about fielding questions in regards to the recently released GT5.

In fact, as summarized by GTPlanet, the designer has been taking some questions via Twitter and although it's all in Japanese, GTPlanet was good enough to do some translating. The highlights of the Q&A are as follows:

-- Flexible camera angles and “dynamic and wide-area lighting needs” are to blame for the sometimes blocky shadows. Yamauchi admits they are a problem and wants to improve them.

-- Yamauchi appears to consider the possibility of removing the in-game HUD (heads-up-display features) at some point in the future.

-- To unlock the Red Bull X1, you’ll need to complete the “Sebastian Vettel Challenge”, which appears at Level 30.

-- Online “lounge” functionality and other features will be added "one by one."

-- Polyphony Digital continues to work on fully supporting the Logitech G25 and G27, though Yamauchi admits he would like a “new steering device soon”…

-- Mechanical damage options will be implemented in a new update for GT5 coming “early December”.

-- As you may know, many players noticed that GT5’s face-tracking functionality only worked in Arcade mode. According to Yamauchi, it’s not available in GT mode due to memory issues with the PS3.

-- In-game rewards (such as the monetary prize in GT5 Prologue) for your performance in online events is something Polyphony Digital is considering, and may be implemented in a future update.

-- Gran Turismo 5’s official, 2-disc sound-track will be released soon.

-- Yamauchi wanted to implement a “free roam” gameplay mode in GT5, where players could drive around, respecting speed limits and obeying traffic laws, and even exit the car to walk around and explore the environment on foot.

-- The YouTube replay upload feature had to be pulled from the final version of the game because it took a very long time to render and it consumed too much memory. Yamauchi is still considering it, however.

Thanks, guys. Recently, Yamauchi expressed a desire to support GT5 for a very long time, which means it's one of those games that will only get better with more updates and patches. Even though it isn't an online-only game, due to the sheer size and magnitude of the production, we're actually reminded of MAG, which is a completely different game these days.

Anyway, we'll keep you updated on GT5 developments; they should be quite significant for the next few months or so.

Related Game(s): Gran Turismo 5

Tags: gran turismo 5, gt5, yamauchi, gt5 updates

12/1/2010 10:35:15 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (101 posts)

ABUrabad
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 10:51:28 AM
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They have proven by time that PD are capable of supporting their products by continues free updates online as what happened with GT5 prologue. and they do really listen to their fans and keep developing GT5 in the right way as fans like , the only thing Im sorry about that they haven't release a beta version of the game to get feedbacks from us so they would get the game release in a better way to perform in the eye of reviewers

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 10:53:23 AM
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Woo hoo, awesome stuff.

And EDGE stays true to their form and scores GT5 a 7/10 =(
Which sits snuggly within the lowest of GT5 scores and well below the 86% average.

In statistics class I learned there's a standard deviation to the mean (the average). The standard deviation represents the norm of variation of the mean score. If a score is two times that of the standard deviation, in statistics, it's a strong indicator of bias. While I haven't run the equation for GT5 I can tell you just by looking at Edge's score that they're beyond two standard deviations of the mean.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:01:53 AM

I exactly predicted a 7.

I can predict almost every single Edge score when the game is exclusive to a certain platform.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:45:45 AM

This game isn't getting a fair shake. Shameful what some gamers will stoop to just because the game is a PS3 exclusive. This is MS's legacy. Greentoad must be proud.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:09:33 PM

GT5 was in a no win situation. It could have buttered your bread, and it would have been ripped apart.

Screw em I say.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:20:07 PM

Agreed. These morons have no one to blame but themselves. They hyped up the game immensely then when I finally came out, they were dumbfounded that it didn't meet their unrealistic expectations.

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DemonNeno
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:22:23 PM

Seriously. I'm so boggled by these scores. It's a good thing I'm not a fanboy, idiot or indecisive. I probably wouldn't own this game! It's such a shame to see reviewers going down such a foolish path. I mean, I could see high 8s for those who care about photo mode more than gaming. Beyond that, this games is absolutely solid nines. Shadows and alpha blending are truly its only blemishes. Non premium cars are called non premium for a reason. Sure, it may disappoint you but why else would they be categorized (and sold in-game) separately?

You want photo realistic? get out of your house. We've all seen how beautiful the ps3 graphics can be, but never have they ben pushed in this form. It's not the same as running on foot in uncharted. The environments aren't comparable, imo, between any of gt5 s competition and the physics are just unreal. People that swing by my place and try this game on for size are confused at first... "even when I'm going straight, the car wants to serve.. It shakes for no reason!" No reason? Try an environment that truly interacts with you. roads aren't completely flat and smooth. Dirt tracks aren't about throttle smashing through the entire race.

The reactions I get are unmistakable. Sure, sim racing isn't everyones cup of tea, but the realism is indeed beyond what everyone I know, myself included, expected from a game.

Now, perhaps I should bump down the resolution to 720 and see how that looks and plays!

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 5:46:00 PM

EDGE gave MGS4 an 8/10
And KZ2 a 7/10

Yeah...

I give EDGE a 5/10

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Axe99
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 7:40:42 PM

5/10 is generous - Edge is seriously questionable material, their reviews often omit whole features from games (CoD:BO didn't mention Zombies, RUSE didn't mention online play....). They main raison d'etre seems to be to produce flamebait disguised as reviews.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:01:41 AM
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When I read the article last night & saw that Yamauchi wants to implement “free roam” gameplay mode into the game, man oh man, even if I hated racing, I'd still get GT5 just for that alone.

But I do like racing, so if it doesn't wind up getting in, GT5's still good to go!!!!!

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big6
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:04:37 AM
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After playing GT5 daily since I got it (and having a blast), I think Yamauchi should look at addressing the network play.
It's just too loose right now. People just set up a session and others just join in and race.
There should be proper online multiplayer championships on fixed maps and fixed vehicle requirements.
Then, wins/losses should be recorded in your profile.

Has this already been implemented? If so, maybe I'm not high enough level to have this unlocked for me.

As it stands, I have to create game sessions that restrict horsepower, cuz you always have these people coming on with a mega vehicle that blows everyone away!

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Taha1
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:10:00 AM
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Sounds like it's possible shadows could improve in a future update.
Great news!
The only thing that lets this game's amazing visuals IMO is the shadows sometimes.
I would be seriously impressed if they managed to improve them while staying at 60fps.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:18:16 AM
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BTW, speaking about racing,

Need For Speed:Hot Pursuit is on sale for only $29.99 right now at Amazon's Gold Box Deal
(For the next 2 & 1/2 hours)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox?ref_=pe_36900_17782130

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:05:50 PM

The PC version is $29.99. Xbox and PS3 versions are $34.99. Pretty good deal for those who don't have it already. I've enjoyed that game immensely so far.

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Helghast
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:23:28 AM
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I cant wait to pick this up! A bit short on ca$h, but im defiantly picking this up in January!

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:47:39 AM
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Has anyone else noted that the majority of the more negative reviews focus on three specific elements of the game and then despite the breadth and depth of the game otherwise, kill the game's score?

Reviewers apparently have a hard time understanding that the standard cars are more of a bonus feature, than a core feature, and treat them like they are some plague on the face of GT5.

Reviewers dislike the courses/environment. I've seen it described as sterile, boring and even unchanged since GT4. Now, aside from everything else, the courses are well rendered and high resolution - all of them. But in the case of the real world locations, they are realistically lit and rendered. So in my humble opinion, these criticisms generally fall into the category of people who prefer augmented reality to reality. Other games use lighting effects and additional animated elements to liven up their environment, GT5 does not. Forgetting of course that it has always been this way, people criticize GT as boring because it lacks the video game element.

The third thing criticized is generally the online, although sometimes it's the damage model and sometimes it's the menu structure.

The online server failures have been a major mis-step, but they do not really reflect the game or it's online play. by all accounts the online play itself is very good, but lacking in terms of matchmaking and event generation.

The damage modeling is good, and as some have said it unlocks gradually as your experience grows, and the maximum damage is only evident on the premium cars, so low level drivers in standard cars may not even see dents until they unlock higher levels. But most reviewers have not realized this and continue to ding the game over it.

The menu structure is sometimes criticized as being old fashioned or boring. This one I'll grant you. I preferred the menu style in GT5 Prologue. But, the poor menus are not really a core feature of the game, I can see people slightly reducing a score over this kind of thing, but not majorly.

Other things I've seen criticized;

- The sound; I don't get this one at all, I think the engine notes are well done, and the sound in general is good. the sound of an impact is distressingly familiar tome - I was recently hit by another car.
- The lack of cosmetic customization of the cars; I don't get this, this is Gran Turismo, not need for speed or Ridge Racer. Cosmetic customization beyond wheels, wings and paint have never been part of GT games. Yet some continue to ding the game because it lacks vinyls.
- The soundtrack; amazingly people ding the game because the sound track does not meet their personal taste. That's a subjective judgment if ever there was one. Good god, upload some mp3s that you like to your PS3 and set your own background music.
- Car tuning; The lack of brake tuning options get's a bit of attention from some, and others feel that the tuning options are somehow lacking. Apart from the brakes, I'm not sure what it is that people think we are missing from the tuning. Once you get the full transmission and suspension upgrades, you can tune the settings to your heart's content.
- Some say it's too easy. The only real change I see is the use of levels to open up more powerful cars and race series. OK, you don't have to do the license tests right away, but sooner or later you will. The early races are easy to win - with a higher powered car. but is you start with 20,000 and by yourself a Toyota Vitz or something similar, you are going to be fighting to win those early races. Sure, once you start upgrading, you can start winning the races easily, and a moderately upgraded civic with medium sports tires will make mince meat of the beginner events. But that is the nature of the game, and anyone that's played a GT game before knows that is how it's done. You start slow, add some upgrades, tune the car up and pretty soon you're winning. Then it's off to the next series of races which you need a new car for, and of course that will start you over again on the tuning cycle. This is how it's always been. If you've played GT before, not only do you know this already, but you are probably already a fairly decent driver in GT. Even someone who is proficient at arcade racers can pickup GT5 and handle the beginner and amateur events without too much hassle. But, I'm still not sure why this is a source of criticism.

One other thing I have seen used as a criticism against the game is the length of time to develop it. I have some sympathy with that. This took 6 years to arrive, and honestly I think that some of the overzealous criticism is rooted in the long wait and high expectations.

But, the thing is that the game itself is so broad and so deep that knocking 15%, 20%, 30% or more off it's score over these kinds of issue is rather like criticizing the Mona Lisa because you don't like the way it's hanging, you don't like the frame, you're not fond of her hair color of hair, and you can't tell if she's smiling.

Yes there are some elements of truth in the criticisms. I wish that the standard cars had not been included with the game, but were an additional feature unlocked for a nominal fee. That would at least prevent people from using their inclusion as a stick to bash the game with. But at the end of the day, the game is what it is - Gran Turismo.

Ah well, I kinda predicted patchy reviews for GT5. It's such a pity that agenda and bias continue to afflict game reviews.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:57:24 AM

Most of thes reviewers are inept and are looking for Forza or Need for Speedish traits and they aren't getting it. Good riddens to bad rubbish I say. GT5 is the best racing sim I have ever played. It reminds me a lot of GT2 and I absolutely adored that game. One of the games that got me into the Playstation brand.

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godsman
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:58:00 AM

I agree. I realized that some reviewers are not leveling up enough to see damages and claims the damages are mediocre. If these can even try to play a simulator without their "flashback" modes like in other games, they'll notice its hard to drive at 180 mph with a damaged vehicle. Beginners will never be able to make it beyond level 5.

I'm new to GT5 and I crash often. I would've chucked the game aside if I have to worry about driving a banged up car on top of the difficult driving.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:05:21 PM

Yea I understand why they did the damage system the way they did. I have a friend who saw me playing it the other night and said "man, how do you drive so good, GT games are hard for me to control." It's not your typical arcade racer and some people just can't accept that. This is why catering to the casual crowd has hurt hardcore games and gamers. I only see this nonsense and complaining getting worse as time goes on.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:29:28 PM

The only issues that take GT5 from a perfect 10 in my book are the following.

1 - A loss of 0.2 of a point due to the Race Mod feature not being able to be used on all the premium cars (non race machines, etc.). The RM feature is spectacular on the few cars I have seen.

2 - A loss of 0.1 of a point due to the standard cars not being able to at least use the same wheels from GT4. The standard cars don't bother me at all, and I would have least liked to put some wheels on my 2004 Pontiac GTO.

3 - A loss of 0.1 of a point due to the shadows. Not deal breaker, but not as good as I expected.

4 - A loss of 0.1 of a point due the dynamic night and weather features being limited to a few select tracks. It's an amazing breakthrough, and I would have loved to see it on Deep Forest for example.

GT5 - 9.5 out of 10.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:18:33 PM

@Max,

The car models for the standard cars look to me to be two distinct types. GT4 and GT-PSP. The PSP models are definitely much lower resolution/polygon count. I could deal with not changing their wheels. The cars I think are probably from GT4 have pretty decent models, you can see the difference especially looking at the wheel arches of the standard cars. I agree about allowing you to at least change the wheels on the GT4 models.

I think though that they implement the visuals of these standard cars as skins on a group of basic car templates. The underlying physics of the car are correct for driving, but for visual purposes, they use a basic car model without much specific shape. Which is why the damage deformation on the standard cars is limited. I'm guessing that is why you can't alter the wheels too. Although I'm struggling to see why changing the wheels on the standard models could not have been included to some degree at least.

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G8GTdriver
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:19:39 PM

Max - does your GTO sound like crap after modifying the exhaust. I picked up the Monaro and modding the exhaust on it makes the exhaust note leave ALOT to be desired IMO. I've heard many GTO exhausts and none have sounded like this, which as you know is essentially the same car.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:27:20 PM

Highlander, Have you imported your PSP cars into GT5? They look kinda crappy compared to even the standard cars.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:34:56 PM

@Godsman,

That's actually one of the things that brought me to GT games - you can drive these beautiful cars on beautiful (and real) courses and you don't have to worry that every slight tap scrapes the crap out of the paint or dents the car. I know it's not realistic, but I like my cars to look good....

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:19:08 PM

@Jawknee,

I haven't done that yet. That doesn't surprise me though. Not all the cars from the PSP version are present, and you can only bring them into Arcade mode. So I am assuming they are bringing over the physics information and the visual skin directly from the PSP. The standard cars based on PSP models look to have been processed a bit for inclusion ion GT5.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 8:43:29 PM

Yeah, it would seem conflicting values are rearing their head with GT5.

People have certain expectations from video games, even if it makes sense or not.

It does look like the compositional aspect of GT5 is under heavy scrutiny. That is, having a host of incomplete looking cars with locked out features generated marks against it. I do think that if those cars weren't in the game it may have scored higher because it'd satisfy the compositional consistency that reviewers take into account (but that didn't stop GTA3 from obtaining GotY status despite it's horribly flawed targeting system) But then again, critics may have had an expectation that demanded at least a 400+ lineup of cars because of relativity. I can only speculate at this point because it'd be a clash of relativity (prior GT's had more than 250 cars, but even 250 cars is more than other racers) vs. compositional consistency. YOu can take a compositional perspective and ding the game for menu structure, variating car quality and the model of progression.

But how does relativity work for 1st gen games when a standard has yet to materialize? Or if a new genre happens to emerge? Does relativity hurt and hold back games like Heavy Rain? And if GT5 is the only "real driving simulator" on the PS3 then it doesn't really have a direct peer as it is the current, and only standard bearer. So the closest approximation is drawn from games like Need for Speeds etc. Which seems to have presented a whole host of expectations for GT5 because, relative to Burnout, GT5's car damage isn't as good. And GT5 isn't as "fun" as NFS and it's boring.
Basically, I think GT5 shows how truly "out of whack" and broken review systems are when it comes to trying to "objectively" provide an analysis that doesn't have any real standards.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 8:07:44 AM

Highlander -

I have heard the imported cars look worse then the in game GT5 counterparts. It's why I didn't bother.

G8GTdriver -

I have to touch the car other then do an oil change. I have spent my money on Race Modding the 69 Camaro. If you have yet to do that, I recommend it. It comes out amazing.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 11:53:33 AM
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Nice. Glad they will continue to support this game. Though I do have the impression now that Sony pushed them to release this too soon and I understand now why Polyphony wasnt ready. I actually wouldn't have mused if they delayed this game a but longer so they could give it some extra polish.

My biggest complaints that I think they need to fix are A) the smoke. When it surrounds the car it looks aweful. B) the shadows as they stated and C) wheel swapping on standard cars. I can deal with out a cockpit view but I would like to change the wheels or at least the color of the wheels on standard cars. Ooh and lastely, they should allow us to purchase paint colors instead of having to aquire a car in that color first. Seems a little silly to me. But over all, this game is flipping awesome. I downloaded Dead Nation last night but I didn't get around to playing much of it because I was glued to GT5. Love this game.

By the way, anyone, Highlander, know of turnabout can be fixed via a patch?

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godsman
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:07:36 PM

The smoke I didn't pay attention. I get upset over the shadows, glad PD will address that. It's such an amazing game and graphics, I was a bit lost in the virtual reality until the shadows reminded me that "I'm playing a game."

Another thing is the AI. I tend to like to drive lighter cars. It pisses me off when an AI gets ahead of you because they need to get back on their "track". Then they slam the brakes 1 feet ahead of you, making me spinout.

I don't want to complain about the game, but it's impossible due to these frustrations I have.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:13:20 PM

I haven't had any problems with the AI. Yes they can crash into you and cause you to spin out of control but this is something that I remember being present it just about every racing game I have played, though I can't say I have played many. Mostly GT. As for the shadows, they should call Sony Santa Monica and ask them how they got the shadows to work so well in God of War III. If it's not something they can use in GT5 its certainly something they should consider for GT6.

For the smoke, next time you spin out, reverse so the car is engulfed in the smoke. It looks terrible. You will see what I mean. Not something that should be present on a PS3 game in 2010.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:24:56 PM

I actually wouldn't have *mined if they delayed this game a bit longer so they could give it some extra polish.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:12:10 PM

There's a demo on a wet track, the blending of the spray cloud and car when seen from the front is downright terrible. That is definitely one of those visual flaws that merits a reduction of the graphics score, along with the shadows. The rest of the graphics are stellar so it's hard to go below a 9 for the visuals.

@Jawknee,

"By the way, anyone, Highlander, know of turnabout can be fixed via a patch? "

Not sure what you're asking about.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:20:12 PM

Have you noticed that when smoke from the tired surrounds the car the edges of the car become pixelated? It makes the car look like it was made out of Legos. Are graphics glitches something that can be fixed with a patch?

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:24:59 PM

Gotcha. I've seen that too. I think that the blending of spray, smoke and shadows needs to be improved and can be patched in as time passes. There is also an odd tessellation effect that happens at 1080p resolution on some courses where trees in the distance are blended with each other and the sky. the AA doesn't seem to pick up on the fact that they end up looking like a matrix of green and blue pixels instead of trees in the distance. I hope/suspect that some or all of this can be fixed via patches. Perhaps the guys at studio Liverpool and Naughty dog could lend PD some of their Cell expertize to see if they can't crank a few more GFLOPS out of the SPUs to take care of these things.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:57:10 PM

Yea, I brought my PS3 into the bedroom and hooked it up to my older 1080i Samsung tube TV. I set it to 1080i and noticed the trees as well. Another thing I noticed, LOL! I smashed into a wall by accident and the rear, left tail light and fender were busted. I could see the road through the hole it made in the rear of the car. It's odd. It seems in some instances you can see through the cars when damage is present in certain areas.

To be honest, I could have lived without damage. Like you I like my cars to look good and I always cringe anytime i crash my Blue 2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R. >.<

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big6
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:09:02 PM

@godsman
Yeah, I have a slight complaint with the AI as well. I the CI final license, where you are driving an old Ferrari, and the first car to pass is a white Lambo Countach... I swear he purposely tries to block you, as you try and pass him on the right!

Nothing is more annoying than in Forza where, after you pass someone, the car you just passed will try the PIT maneuver on you! That was a game killer for me...

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:19:58 PM

@Highlander

Doh! I see now why you didn't understand my question. Turnabout? Stupid iPhone predictive dictionary.

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coverton341
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:03:46 PM
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I only have one question, and I am hoping some of the friendly sorts here can help me out.

When all the other GT games came out, I had spiral bound notebooks FULL of custom gear ratios for my favourite cars. These were track specific ratio guides that would give me the perfect engine power utilisation. Now, I can only adjust the maximum speed in a FULLY customisable gear box.

Are individual gear ratio adjustments unlocked later on or is the option just not there?

This is my one gripe on an otherwise perfect game.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:09:25 PM

Yea they are. The game tells you to start out just adjusting the top speeds at first then it will allow you to mess with each gear ratio later on. I got this notice when i purchased the fully customizable transmission for 15,000c for my Nissan Skyline GT-R.

Not sure when they open up each gear ratio but I can assure you the game told me it will allow me to at some point.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:11:00 PM

I sure hope it's soon. I am a level 14 A-Spec player, and I know what I am doing with transmissions, but I can't do my thing as of yet.

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coverton341
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:13:43 PM

Good to know. I bought a fully customisable gear box and I broke out my notebook then went to go a-tweaking and wound up severely disappointed.

If it is unlocked later on I really think it is a less than optimal idea. I spent the credits to adjust gear ratios, I want to adjust gear ratios. I understand unlocking things like damage, because once you have a little experience under your belt you are aware of how to avoid the damage and such, but gear ratio changing isn't going to just become apparent because you reached level 20 or whatnot.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:16:27 PM

I am on level 17 and it's still locked. Have you upgraded any of your cars with the 15,000c transmission? That's the one I bought then it told me it will unlock later on after getting the hang of adjusting the top speeds. After you install the transmission go into the tuning menu and select transmission. It should give you the notice upon opening the window.

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coverton341
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:35:56 PM

Yes, I have bought the fully customisable transmission kit for a number of cars. It may have given me that message but I don't remember. I just think it is a little odd to have it unlock at a certain level. No amount of driving experience is going to get you to the point where you can change the ratio of gears if you don't already have a working knowledge of the subject matter. If they don't want you touching the ratios then they should have the option to buy a fully customisable box at all. Give a semi-custom box or something.

Anyway, like I said it is my only gripe but apparently it is a bigger gripe than I thought as I am honestly bothered by it.

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SvenMD
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:03:55 PM

I don't know about you guys, but that seems alot like Square Enix holding our hand through the first 10-15 hours of FFXIII. Why can't they just open it up and let you go to town?

Why is there so much emphasis on a "learning curve" these days? Aren't we supposed to be older and wiser?

On a side note - I'm loving this game. But I honestly don't see how you have that much time to tune....it seems like I'm buying or using a new and different car for every race event and don't spend that much to tune it up cause I know I wont end up using that Mini Cooper or VW Lupo ever again...haha.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:22:04 PM

Nah, it's not the same as Final Fantasy XIII. I agree they should just let people do what they want with the cars when they want, but I don't liken it to FFXIII considering Square never let go of your hand were as PD does at some point.

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coverton341
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:25:56 PM

@Sven

You're right about most of the cars in the game and not having time to tune them. You're also in line with my thoughts on the hand holding aspect of certain things.

What I am concerned with though is the fact that there are certain cars that I enjoy using. Call them my favourite cars ever. I want FULL control over all the aspects of them. I want to change everything on my 3000GT VR-4, my AMD Stealth, and my 96 Supra. I can't right now.

I won't be using that Vitz for more than the Vitz challenge, I won't be using that Miata I first bought ever again, but unfortunately I won't be using that '72 Challenger because I can't get the perfect gear ratios.

@Jawknee

Too right, S-E had a death grip on my hand until I finally lose circulation.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:26:30 PM

What would work is an "I've played GT since GT1/GT2/GT3, so please let me see everything" mode.

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coverton341
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:40:19 PM

@Highlander

That made me smile. I don't think anyone, given the option, would not select that but it would be nice to have some way to skip the unlocking of certain things.

Has anyone here gotten to a point where they can change individual gear ratios? I have been scouring the interwebs with absolutely no results. Even more discouragingly it is starting to seem like it was something taken out last minute as some people have said they have reached level 40 and still can't change ratios, although they admitted to not having done all the Special Event races and some other things.

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Ultimate_Balla
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:03:59 PM
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Highlander. Damn. Where do you find the time!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:52:37 PM

Hehe he's a talkitive one isnt he xD

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SvenMD
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:04:16 PM

I guess you are too arent you Liam? haha

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:06:14 PM

I can touch type.

Aside from that, who cares?

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:17:44 PM

I care. I like reading your ridiculously long and detailed posts...

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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:53:43 PM

My guess is Highlander is one of those people who does have quite the time in his hands and puts them to use in learning more about the ps3. The man does know his stuff.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:11:53 PM

Thanks Shadow knight, you are correct. I do have quiet time, my workload is sporadic, and I always have a browser open anyway.

I even find time to be a stubborn, pig-headed, fool sometimes - apologies to you as I think s reply to you got some of that yesterday.

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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 4:01:11 PM

Theres no need to be sorry no offense was taken anyways. The convo yesturday was a mere auguement nothing else. But it did put a smile on my face:D

However, I do enjoy reading your really long posts they make sense and you really support you theories with evidence. You sure put a lot of your time into this site always updating us with stuff. Keep it up.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:54:34 PM
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^FAIL lol.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 12:57:30 PM

If you catch the multiple post fast enough. You can delete them yourself.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:16:57 PM
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Some of those updates are mad, and I am actually glad that they didn't implement a free-roam mode, in spite of it being my most desired feature. The shadows do need some work, as does the texturing on some of the Standard cars. I overtook on last night and it was horrible when I glanced over at it. My biggest complaint though, is the screen tearing. I've barely noticed it in most every other game I've played, but here it is god awful. And the AI can be extremely frustating in the special events when you need speed, and some douche is hanging off your tail, or taps you and sends you into a wall. I'm outta time. Many small complaints, but a well-rounded experience.
Peace.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:21:35 PM

I haven't seen screen tearing at any resolution (720p/1080i/1080p). Is it one specific courses?

The AI has a propensity t use the PIT maneuver to take you out if it doesn't like what you did. The only thing I can imagine is if the driver AI for the other cars is done in the same way as the b-spec driver, when you are in low level races, some of the other drivers will be inaccurate, and inexperienced too, and get angry and aggressive quite easily. I'm gonna guess that means that they will try to knock you out of the way if you cut them up on the entry to a corner. It kind of seems that at higher levels the drivers become more sensible and less prone to being provoked into a stupid action.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:24:32 PM

The screen tearing shows up quite a bit in 1080i and 1080p and only when theres multiple cars on screen and taking a sharp corner. If you're always in first place and set to 720p, its practically nonexistent. I hope they fix it, though I am happy that it's minimal compared to the demo I played at Target. It was terrible in the demo and I was worried it wouldn't be fixed. While it's not 100% fixed it's much less of a problem then i feared it would be.

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big6
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:12:09 PM

I've only noticed slight screen tearing on the Top Gear Intermediate race where you drive the VW wagon (hilarious btw).
I'm running on 1080i. I'm going to switch my PS3 to 720p after I get home, and just leave it at that resolution forever. My TV is too old and blurry for 1080i. =(

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SvenMD
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:14:41 PM

I've actually noticed the screen tearing a bit too. And now that I look back, I have to agree with Jawknee a little...it happens more near the beginning of the race, or when I'm in the pack. Once I'm in the lead I don't notice it.

(EDIT: Big6 beat me to it) The place that REALLY made me notice it was the Top Gear race with the buses....it seemed like every time I started that race I noticed some tearing....interesting.

I've never downgraded to 720 to test it out....and I really never noticed it in 3D mode...but it might downgrade automatically to 720 when in 3D, but I'm not sure...I'll have to check on that.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:23:15 PM

Switching to 720p seems to help reduce the tearing. It also helps fix the tessellation effect in the tress.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:15:50 PM

Remember in 720p the game actually performs 4xMSAA and therefore does a better job at most things, plus it appears to be more or less locked at 60fps at the lower resolution.

1080p is nice, but when there are more than 8-10 cars on the track, I suspect that 720p works better.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 12:55:56 AM

The screen tearing for me is evident in every race, regardless of how many cars are on the track, or what else is happening. It could be that I'm playing it in full HD, I've never been bothered to downscale. On the other hand, it could be that it was fixed somewhat by that first patch, which I am unable to download, as always. I'm not letting it distract me too much though. The game is too good for that.
Peace.

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Alienange
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:43:39 PM
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Holy smokes! Did you just mention MAG in the same article as GT5?

I'll be honest. My heart sunk a bit when you wrote that. I may not be a fan of racing games, but I want to believe GT5 is not the day one mess MAG was.

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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 1:52:02 PM
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This game reminds me of MAG, it's a public beta invitation on a disc. Theres just too much that didn't make the final cut that they are still thinking about. I guess even after 6 years they still aren't finished this game. Polyphony might be quite the company about precision, but it doesn't matter how many times you check down the sight, if theres a strong gust of wind i'll blow the bullet away.

I just wished they spent more time making things happen then thinking about what to do.

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JPBooch
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:23:20 PM

I disagree. MAG or GT5 are finished products. What they do have in common is the MMO type of philosophy. Release a product that will evolve into something better after some time.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:28:54 PM

I agree with JBooch. People are unfairly judging this game simply because it took 6 years to create. People forget this is their first PS3 game AND it's still loaded with a ton more features then most games on the market.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:16:31 PM

Jawknee, GT5 Prologue was their first, this is a second bite at the cherry.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:18:01 PM

Aaah yes. I stand corrected. I always forget about GTP. Maybe because I always considered it a glorified demo. Which isn't a bad thing by the way. Funny cause I bought GTP and played it only a few times before selling it. I can't put GT5 down.

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ABUrabad
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:22:51 PM

maybe if they just had released a beta version of the game or a demo for some PS3 users they would discover these very few setbacks before releasing the game thought the game is already a piece of ART.
and I dont think of prologue as a demo since a lot has been changed since its release in game's structure

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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 4:03:47 PM

Still i agree to but at least they could of had a bit more, it's just this game didn't come out the oven the way I thought it would. Gee, the cookies came out almost burnt!!!

But eventually they will but some icing or some chocolate chips in the game later so we'll wait. Kinda reminds me of Burnout Paradise sort of, but burnout was excellent even when it was brand new to me.

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JPBooch
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 2:28:35 PM
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I got my Collectors Edition yesterday and popped it in for the first time. I was very impressed with it. The depth of game and what you can do was staggering. Alas, it will have to wait until I finish BFBC1...going for beans, bullets, bandages. oO

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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 4:04:21 PM

You are lucky to even find one of those around here. You lucky duck!

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t4_robz
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 3:07:37 PM
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well at least they will be realeasing some of this stuff on an update instead of delaying the game again to include it in the original copy!

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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 4:10:40 PM
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105767-U-S-Air-Force-Finishes-PS3-Supercomputer-of-Epic-Proportions


checkout this link it's so epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ABUrabad
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 4:36:59 PM

sad that Linux support has to be removed in slim models and in new software upgrades for the old models
as it mentioned that super-computer ranked 33 as the fastest available and still much cheaper to build using old PS3'3
I would like to see Sony is working with scientists all over the world to provide them super-computer build by using PS3 consoles for science , that would be so epic , not only Sony is delivering fun for each one but also working on improving science to get our lives better .
and beside maybe Sony would work more on delivering new technologies using the cell processor beside that in the PS3 , for example Toshiba has used the same cell processor of the PS3 in their own TV line ,maybe we will see more such inventions in the real future.
Sony,IBM and Toshiba have invested a lot in the new processor technology ,I'd really like to them improving it and spread it for all other technologies



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thj_1980
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 5:14:30 PM

if only we had the linux feature again. Awe such a shame really. I wish, even though I never ever installed linux to my system, it was one of the selling points for the linux guys and another feature to argue with xbots with.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 6:03:10 PM
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Cool, they'll fix those small graphical glitches.

Loving how they'll evolve the online month by month, can't wait!

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 8:15:14 PM
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Removing the HUD would be nice, it just amped up the realism of a simulator.

But Kazu can forget about open world driving, this game is already over budget, better save it for GT6.

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ps3sownsxbox360
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 8:51:36 PM
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cool i like how they give back when you buy their games unlike all the other developers. This game is awesome. I am 28 percent in this game right know and have about 6 hours in it. LOVE ALL THE DIFFERENT CHOICES IN THINGS TO DO AND DRIVE.

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CONTRABAND
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 9:23:55 PM
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The thing i want most is the ability to play my own music from my HDD, im sorry but i just cant stand any of the songs included with the game. it suck having to have 2 different sound systems going at the same time so i can race and rock out.

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Highlander
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 @ 9:57:14 PM

GT5 let's you use your own music as background music. I'm not sure what you're asking for in addition to that. Go to the main options menu, then the Hardware options and scroll to the right. In te audio options you can select an option for user background music.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 1:11:13 AM

I don't like that there is no quick select option to play music off of your HDD, like there was in Burnout Paradise. Don't get me wrong, one of the first things I did was to set up custom soundtracks, but the way it is handled isn't exactly user-friendly.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 2:15:47 AM

LAwless, are you sure?

Once you get to the option to set the user sound track the selection of tracks and playback mode is identical to Burnout Paradise because it's handled in the XMB.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 2:34:33 AM

Oh, I didn't realise that. I tried it to go through the XMB straight away, as I figured that is how it would work, but once I realised that it was necessary to set it, I kind of figured there was no control. I'll see about that in about ten minutes when I fire it up again. Thanks for the tip Highlander.
Peace.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 3:30:40 AM

Nope... It still doesn't seem to work.

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Snaaaake
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 3:55:01 AM

How the custom soundtrack is handled is definitely wrong.
It should have been made like Motorstorm or Castlevania did.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 10:34:17 AM

@Lawless,

Setting user background music (works in races, not sure about menus).

- Make a playlist in the XMB
- Enable user BGM in game (Options > Audio > User BGM)
- Select the Playlist
- Select the first track in the playlist
- Go to Play option (on the right hand side)
- Select shuffle album

These steps also work with any way of categorizing your music, you can re-group the tracks when selecting which of them you want to use. This can include things like genre, year and folder. the shuffle will work within whatever scope you pick to group the tracks. Mine is grouped by genre, and I shuffle the rock tracks for playback.

This is very similar to how Burnout Paradise handles user background music.

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___________
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 1:13:50 AM
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full G25 & G27 support?
already has that, everything works when i play it.
even the rev counter lights work, first game on the ps3 ive played where they actually work!

only thing bugging me is the dumb as bat sh*t AI, and the engine sounds.
the AI brake for corners so freaking early, so it makes it really hard to get past them especially when they group so tightly.
like on the C-10 race, on the first corner its not even really a corner i can take it flat out but the AI always brakes forcing me to brake and since the car has no ABS i end up spinning into the wall!

engines sound crap too!
no where what they do in real life!
a my cuz has a old 98 civic type R, the EXACT same one im using right now and it sounds nothing like it does in the game.
same with allot of cars, the 1 series BMW sounds really weird.
when i did my last track day, the guy next to me had a 1 series, sounded nothing like that does in the game.
they sound so flat, like theres 1000 killos of insulating foam over them, they really lack the punch.
sounds flat, go out to a track day had a few M3s and a few porches mostly boxters.
so freaking loud, makes your ears feel like there going to bleed!

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D1g1tal5torm
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 6:56:09 AM
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The track editor is really bad - very little in the way of customisation and a huge lack of control in the way courses are designed.

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D1g1tal5torm
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 9:02:38 AM

you lots with the thumns down - explain why the rubbish track editor is good then.

Dont hide behind your wall of silence. Say exactly why you think it's a good addition.

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Highlander
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 10:35:12 AM

No thumbs down from me. The course editor is a nice to have, but it is very simplistic, and doesn't really allow you to re-create real courses. Which is a pity.

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Zorigo
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 10:06:18 AM
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-- Yamauchi wanted to implement a “free roam” gameplay mode in GT5, where players could drive around, respecting speed limits and obeying traffic laws, and even exit the car to walk around and explore the environment on foot.

!! i want!!

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Highlander
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 10:36:02 AM

That would be where he passes into the "PS3 is not big enough" territory. Maybe this will happen on the PS4 version in 10 years?

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Qubex
Thursday, December 02, 2010 @ 11:22:52 PM
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So now that I read all the comments above... my initial concern about the polish after 5 years of development was justified, as people play the game and start to see what they should have done right from the outset.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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CaptainWinkie
Friday, December 03, 2010 @ 5:57:26 PM
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Ok... It's a start. ... HUD and full damage would be good in updates. How come Bo mention of more cars or better rendering and cockpits for standards?????!!!!! Puzzling? No it isn't. They took 70% of this game from GT4 and it would gave taken 10 more years to completely finish this game. DONT EXPECT A GT6 EVER! It will NEVER happen! You hear me! NEVER! I am certain. This has gone the way of Metal Gear Solid. Remember that game? Similar. End if GT series...so update the crap/he'll out of this game! They will but, never enough.

-Captain Winkie has spoken

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CaptainWinkie
Friday, December 03, 2010 @ 6:02:16 PM
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Yes how about real engine sounds? PGR3 had this, with real speed and tachometers outside the car. With better cockpit shake, sense if speed and G-Forces. Physics were crap...but that had almost No damage and it was more than I see in GT5! Oct. 2005 Xbox 360 Launch Title!!!! Get with it GT!!!!!!

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BadWolf1
Friday, December 03, 2010 @ 11:52:48 PM
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Where's the update for that promise they made when GT Prolouge came out? The one where we could get a head start when GT 5 was released.

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