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Sony Defends Move Marketing, Claims Kinect Is Limited

The motion sensing war is in full swing and although both PlayStation Move and Microsoft Kinect appear to be successes out of the gate, it's clear that Microsoft's marketing blitz is unparalleled.

But Sony remains undaunted and believes it's content that will win this war, rather than a constant deluge of advertisements. Plus, they believe Move can work with most any genre while Kinect remains limited in potential and implementation. SCEE boss Andrew House told MCV that Microsoft will soon "hit a wall" when creating new Kinect products, and reminds everyone that his company "pioneered camera-based gaming with EyeToy." Said House:

"We learnt from that experience that there are limitations around a camera-only solution. It does work well and lend itself to certain genres, but you do tend to hit a bit of a wall when trying to support it with the broadest range of content available. That’s not the sort of problem we have with Move.

Consumers have understood Move is something that could impact a wide range of games. This is opposed to what I think may dog the competition to a degree, which is basing it solidly around just a family experience – and one that is harder to adapt into traditional game genres."

This was in response to criticism over Sony's perceived lack of marketing, at least in comparison to Kinect. While you will see that Kevin Butler Move commercial every now and then, commercials for Kinect tend to dominate and Sony has been quoted in the past as saying they'll "never compete" with Microsoft when it comes to advertising. But House believes something else matters in the long run:

"We know a marketing push is important around a launch window, but what will really drive adoption of new technology is going to be great content. We’ve got a whole range of experiences that serve the broadest audience and that is a far better long-term bet. You can only sustain a certain amount of momentum just based on trying to ram product at people based on a strong marketing push. It really will be content that defines it."

At some point, we assume companies learn that the actual product itself - rather than incessant pushing - is what matters in regards to longevity. But who knows?

Tags: playstation move, move, kinect, sony move

12/13/2010 9:04:34 PM John Shepard

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Comments (89 posts)

Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 9:42:22 PM
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See, this is what I love about Sony, they look at long-term potential of their products, they're not out to make a quick buck and buy into a fad.

I see Kinect dominating news, sales targets and chat rooms for the next 6-12 months.

But Move will dominate over the next 10 years, especially if they allow it to be used with the PS4.

Honestly, I have a Kinect, but I only bought it for Dance Central. I know, I know, stupid to buy a $200AU camera for one game, but parties have been incredibly fun lately.

As for Move, I plan on getting it once I get my hands on Killzone 3, LBP 2 and SOCOM 4. I got the Move patch for Heavy Rain recently, but money restrictions means waiting for the right time to buy.

BTW, if Harmonix bring out Dance Central on Move and somehow make it as good if not better (meaning using your whole body to dance, not just your hands in a Wii-like fashion), I will sell my Kinect tomorrow and get some Move controllers.

... and yes, I love my music games. Nothing wrong with that!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:53:00 PM

Them dancing games bring in the women, aint no shame in the game. Does the thing work okay?

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Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:26:44 PM

Works brilliant World.

I was actually surprised at how accurate Dance Central was for a Kinect game.

Really, it comes down to the software and how well it uses the hardware. Most other games I've tried have been pretty average, but Dance Central is amazingly good. Not very deep, but still a lot of fun, and it tracks your moves exactly and tells you which limb is slightly off as you dance.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:38:53 PM

Yeah I've heard Dance Central is a powerhouse with Kinect. More power to ya.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:58:20 AM

Holy soft-core porno, Batman! Look at World's avatar!

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:10:50 PM

To bad it's not a real chick.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 2:44:04 AM

Wait...Tifa isn't real?

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xenris
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 9:46:11 PM
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Move is essentially a combination of Kinect and Wii, and is the better overall product. Would I ever buy one? Probably not as I don't think it adds to playing games. However if I see something awesome being done with the move that really appeals to me I would definitely purchase it. I think they need games that track space with the eye and let you dodge things and really feel like your in your environment, that would be very cool.

That said I'm just getting sick of Microsoft being in everyones pocket. I watched reviews on the run today, and they were giving out console ratings based on the year, guess who came in last? PS3, the reasoning was horrible, they kept saying lack of exclusives and stuff like that. Yet they left out a ton of great smaller exclusives, they only mentioned god of war and heavy rain. Plus they left out all the PSN games like scott pilgrim and Dead Nation. Overall it got a 6.5 I think?

Xbox got praised for the summer of xbla games. Apparently Allen wake was better than GoW3 and Heavy rain, of course Halo reach was praised for being the exact same thing. But the real kicker is aside from limbo the xbla games were multi platform...they rated it an 8.5

Anyway I'm glad the people here, although obviously biased towards Sony, at least admit when something is flawed be it exclusive or not. I don't know how these people can actually believe that the Xbox dominated this year....anyway end rant.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:02:43 PM

I stopped watching Reviews On The Run long ago. Everybody on that show is an Xbot. Victor Lucas, Ben Silverman, Scott Jones and especially Jose Sanchez all are madly in love with Microsoft and the money they pay them to lie to the public. The BS that comes out of their mouths make me vomit. They represent why I don't trust any gaming site or television show that is supposed to be "unbiased". All of them are so pro-Xbot, it's not funny. Next year, even with all the exclusives, they will still give the PS3 a 6.5 and come up with more BS.

Victor Lucas, especially, is the biggest loser I've seen on T.V. 42 year-old men do not spike their hair.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:07:44 PM

If the website who wrote that was anything like IGN, Destructoid or Kotaku, you're better of avoiding them. They're all clearly bias towards 360 when they should be unbias and try to share equal views amonst all consoles.

People may say PSXextreme is bias towards Sony, but look at the darn title of the website!!!

I expect 360 based websites to be bias towards 360 products, and that's fine. But when a video games website that covers everything shows a clear bias towards 360 simply becuase of 2 games (Limbo and Halo Reach), then there's clearly something wrong.

Honestly, you're better off just avoiding it all. Any poll or top whatever lists from these websites simply stir up fanboy rage to get more comments, more traffic and therefore get more attention.

This website is my favourite because while it prefers Playstation and anything Sony related, a lot of its members here also appreciate the finer things Microsoft and Nintendo have to offer. I liked Halo Reach, and loved Super Mario Galaxy 2. Since Mario Galaxy 2 got 10 out of 10 nearly everywhere, why not give Wii the console of the year vote?

Idiots. Those editors at IGN and Kotaku just annoy me now. Was the IGN channel on Xbox Live not enough of an indication that MS is lining their pockets?

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JDC80
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:21:48 PM

It seems every gaming giveaway on these kiddie networks are only giving out Kinects BTW if I see that damn Kinectimals ad one more time on tv I swear I will rip off my own head and field goal kick it in Lake Michigan.

As for this year exclusives it might been a light year for the PS3 but come on now God of War 3( I haven't play Heavy Rain yet) in my opinion was the top two along with RDR.

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:26:00 PM

There is definitely a bias towards Sony here, this being a PlayStation site in the first place. But at least we (or most people here at least) are not idiots who put down any game that appear on other consoles. We admit that there are games on other consoles that we would like to play (e.g. Alan Wake and, not a long time ago, the Mass Effect series). And yeah, this site does not just praise Sony at every turn. But then again, what can this site do when Sony has been making mostly right moves for quite some time now?

I have also avoided those sites, particularly when it comes to editorials and opinions, obviously because their unexplainable bias towards the 360 is so hard to justify. I still go to other sites, mainly just for news but that's just about it. I only need to see one video in IGN where they compared Move and Kinect and declared which one is the winner. You don't need me to tell you which one they picked and for what reasons.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:38:16 PM

I like your avatar dude, what's it from?

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:43:13 AM

@World: Who are you asking? Xenris or me? LOL

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:43:17 AM

Uh-oh, double post. Sorry about that!

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:56:12 AM

@Xenris,

OK, look this is exactly the thing that pisses off Sony and actually pisses me off too, when it comes to what Move is and what Kinect is. What you said, is a complete fabrication and mis-characterization of Move and Kinect and the Wii.

First of all Move. Move is a combination of technologies that started with the EyeToy about 8 years ago and extended through the Sixaxis controller and Dual Shock 3 controller of the current generation. The PS3 launched with both the PSEye and Sixaxis controllers. If you look at those two devices, they comprise nearly all of the technology involved in Move. The Dual Shock 3 added back in the feedback in the controller and the new Move controller with the LED ball added the final element - optical tracking of one or more controllers precisely within a 3D space. But the thing is that the SixAxis motion controllers already captured the position and direction and acceleration of the controller, and the PSEye could already handle gesture and full body motion capture. Move simply brought those two technologies together along with the optical tracking of the position of the controller and the feedback of the Dual Shock 3. The PSEye also contains an array of microphones that allow the PSEye to track sound and the position of the source in 2 dimensions around the room. What Move is *not* is a Wii rip off. It's a logical development of technologies that Sony had right from the very start of this generation, and earlier. The accuracy of the Move controller is limited only by the ability of the PSEye to track the LED Ball, and the data from the Move controllers' sixaxis sensors. It is said that it enables true 1-1 control.

The Wii uses some of the same motion capture technology as the Sixaxis to detect the angle of the controller being held, and using infra-red transmitters mounted along the 'sensor bar' and a receiver on the controller the Wii can track the motion of the controller in two dimensions around the room. Combining the data from the accelerometers inside the controller and from the infrared system, the Wii tracks the approximate position of the controller, and therefore the player. But the tracking is limited purely to the Wii-mote. The accuracy of the Wii is limited by the 2D nature of the 'sensor bar', as well as the limits of accuracy triangulating the position of the wii-mote relative to the sensor bar and then the extrapolation of the 3D position based on the other sensor data from the controller. The Wiimote has some control buttons and the motion detection combined with controls allows the wiimote to be used in a wide range of games, although the accuracy of the controller is limited.

Kinect uses two types of data to do it's thing. First it uses a standard optical camera to optically capture the scene. Secondly it uses an infrared based motion detection system to capture movement, much like the ones in a security motion sensor. It's described as an infrared laser, but it's no more sophisticated than any security sensor that can detect motion within a room. The infrared system is similar to the Wii, only without a had held sensor system. Combined with the optical motion tracking data from the standard camera this allows the Kinect to track you in 3D, and capture your motion. However, the detailed motion sensing is performed optically, the infra red system is used to track the position of the gamer, and detect when there is motion. The optical feed from the camera is used to interpret the motions and gestures of the player. The Kinect camera also features an array of microphones (just like the PSEye) to handle audio input and detect the position of the source relative to the camera. In terms of limitations, the Kinect camera has the same resolutions supported by the PSEye, but captures frames at only half the rate of the PSEye. In other words, the PSEye is potentially more sensitive (optically) to movement. Kinect is a development beyond the original Eyetoy, because of the addition of the infra red motion detection. But, Kinect merely matches the Eyetoy's optical capabilities and matches the audio capability of the PSEye. Kinect suffers the same limitations that the Eyetoy originally had when it comes to games that are not well suited to gesture, or full body motion control. The accuracy of Kinect is dependent on the accuracy of the ability of the infra-red detection system to track the player(s) potion(s), and the ability of the camera to detect the movement of the gamers' limbs.

Over all, the Move is an evolution of the Dual Shock controller, the Sixaxis Controller, the EyeToy and the PSEye. It does not copy the Wii-mote in any way. The Wii-mote is a novel system for detecting motion through passive infrared seensors, it uses bluetooth to facilitate communication between the wii-mote and the Wii, but apart from a single accelerometer, that is the limit of it's similarity to anything offered by the PS3.

Kinect builds on the Eyetoy, but other than adding the infrared based motion detection, it is more limited in capability than the PSEye itself. In terms of accuracy, the fine controls are limited to the ability of the camera to detect subtle motions - you need good light for the camera to detect this. the Infrared detection allows the system to do a better job of detecting larger movements in all lighting conditions.

At the end of the Day, Move uses no one else's technology, it builds on several key technologies already pioneered by Sony, and brings the addition of the LED ball(s), which acts just like the technology used by film makers to perform motion capture.

So, please, let's just ditch all the BS about 1)Move being an upgrade Wii - it's nothing like the Wii's technolgy. 2) Kinect being revolutionary - it's far from revolutionary, and is more of a blend of pre-existing Wii and Sony PSEye technology than anything else.

Last, reviews on the run, or whatever it's called, sounds like a load of BS. How in hell anyone can say that Alan Wake is better than Heavy rain is beyond me, but at least the two are often compared, unlike God of War 3 which is nothing *at all* like Alan wake. As for Halo Reach, yet another Halo3 game....Whatever.

Move is a development of key technologies that Sony already used combined with motion capture technology from the movie industry. The Wii is a development of the Infrared security motion detection along with some handheld sensors. Kinect is a conglomeration of existing technologies pioneered by Sony and Nintendo. Who's copying who?

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:16:31 AM

Gotta give it to The Highlander. This guy knows what he's talking about. And yes, you are spot on with everything you said above. I couldn't have said it better myself!

The only problem is, most sheeple would really not bother to do their research and, hence, make stupid, downright-laughable assumptions.

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Deleted User
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 4:51:24 PM

@xenris

I accused Victor Lucas of taking payola from MS on Twitter and he called me an "asshat". A 42 year-old man calling somebody that is real professional.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 6:32:51 AM

@ Highlander

That was the greatest comment I've seen so far. You nailed everything, and I mean EVERYTHING!!

It's just such a shame that MS's ridiculously large amount of advertising and promoting is making sheeple buy the fad over the quality product.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Kinect will go the way of the Wii, or moreso, the PS2 Eyetoy. Heaps of hype and games and first, but then people start seeing repetition of hand flailing, dancing and fitness games, and before long, theose very same sheeple will sell their 360's and Kinect or trade it towards a PS3 and Move so they can play some REAL games.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 2:51:48 AM

To be fair, Victor actually said Sony had better exclusives than M$ (8.0 versus 7.5 IIRC), unlike the other five.

Personally, I think Sony did come third IF you count ME2 as a M$ exclusive, but it was a close race between all three and a virtual dead-heat between PS3 and 360 once you add in multiplats (Wii falls way behind then).

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Snaaaake
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:00:33 PM
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For dancing games or games like Child of Eden, Kinect is definitely best for it but for other games it's just not right.

Forza 4 without controller?
Until the day hologram is part of video games, this idea is just rubbish.

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Orvisman
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:06:36 AM

Child of Eden is coming out day-and-date for the PS3 Move. I wonder which one will be more accurate. I bought a new Xbox Squat Kinect bundle and still haven't opened it yet.

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Scarecrow
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:04:17 PM
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It's always the same:

quality (Sony) > bad hardware (Microsoft)
Sadly consumers are dumb, well some of them, so some might just think that because it's on Microsoft's console that it's better.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:11:18 PM

Unfortunately, many still go by the logic of shoddy ports on PS3 ALL being bad, and therefore use that argument time and time again to try to prove to everyone that 360 is better.

I'll just take that Ultimate Edition of Mass Effect 2 on PS3 with all patches, DLC and improvements on disc to go, please.

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bxshotboi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:21:53 AM

I constantly tell people to get a ps3 when they are trying to choose a system and when I do they to stop to think about it and about 90% of the time they tell me" but I heard the psn is nothing compared to live " god I hate when people say that cuz to me its the same exact crap major differences atleast to me are that live has cross game chat and that your able to see info on your friends more in depth like their friends and nonsense like that but thats not needed to enjoy your gaming experience!!! If only people could get that through their head ( sigh) -__-

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thj_1980
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:10:58 PM
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What I hate the most about the step into motion gaming for sony is that, fanboys keep on blasting the move. Of course we all know the move is heavily based off the wiimote. Alright we get that, but the move is extermely precise and has more accuracy then the wii motion plus and kinect. It's like the frekin kinect they expanded on the eyetoy and playstation eye and we just expanded on the wiimote. I hate how xbox 360 fanboys keep on saying kinect is bradn new technology, even when the playstation eye and eyetoy from so many years ago, has the same technology, just that kinect has expanded the idea into motion tracing with motion sensors then camera eyes. Really it pisses the living **** outta me hearing all this ****!!! Just because it's hands free don't mean **** it's not better. I know there's a large majority of people that don't want to put down the controller down yet so I know there are those that are willing to defend the move. It's just so sad that xbots are so stupid. I don't know how microsoft does it? Maybe every 100 360's that even pass the initial boot-up tests in the facotries are modded to brainwash immature little ***** to diss the ps3.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:20:00 PM

Let's face it. MS ruined a generation of gamers. They literally encouraged this kind of sore competition, the potty mouth language, putting down the competition.

Xbox Live ruined a generation of gamers. Superb single player games like Uncharted are few and far between. Now it's all about having the same console as your friends just to play online with them.

Actually, if you think about it, that was a very smart move on MS' part. Make their console cheaper (and lower quality) to get the first lot of buyers. THEN get them onto XBOX Live. If they're friends wanna play them online, they have to get a 360. Hey, it eventually worked on me. Sure I got a PS3 first, then the Wii, but eventually I missed playing online with friends, so I HAD to get a 360 just to "socialise" with friends online.

I wonder what the percentage of 360 owners are who claim to own a 360 simply because their friends have one, not cos the games or console is better? I'm certainly one.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:24:20 PM

@DanceMachine35

I've heard that reason (my friends have one) a lot. A lot of my friends don't even game any more so I didn't have albatross on my neck. I only bought a 360 because "I" wanted to.

I've also wondered if people still want to "friends" with those individuals who thought the idea of paying for online, paying for a battery charger, paying for etc. was supposed to be a good thing.

I'd also like to add that there are people at 1up who despised me for telling the truth about their "great" Xbox 360 and even guys on Twitter who un-follow me on Twitter for the same reason.

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:33:31 PM

I guess I am lucky that my friends have PS3s and not a 360. Some of my friends do have an xbox, but they also have a PS3. t least I am not pressured to get a shoddy hardware just to socialize with my friends when playing games. LOL

Going back to the topic. I'd take Sony's marketing strategy over Microsoft anytime. As I said on another thread, they do not shove their products down our throats. They give us reasons why we should get them, and at the same time give as a huge laugh since introducing Kevin Butler. Microsoft has a lot of money to burn, but perhaps they had to do that kind of marketing because I doubt it'll get picked up a lot if they promote it like Sony does with the Move. Unfortunately, most people are dazzled with what they see in TV ads but don't bother to do any research about them. No wonder, buyer's remorse is so common in some places.

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Deleted User
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:43:55 PM

@ZettaiSeigi

That buyer's remorse can be real funny. I love the excuses the Xbots give.

There's a hilarious article from some blogger on Game Informer on why the 360 is his "go-to-console". Just the lamest excuses.

http://www.gameinformer.com/members/deanofmedia/default.aspx


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bxshotboi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:32:19 AM

First off the reason I originally got my 360 was to play with my fiends like many others but that soon came to an end when my 360 got 3 red lights and died and anyway my friends joined the dark side and finally came up with the money to get the ps3 at that point I was like I'll never buy a 360 again becuz it only took 1 month to die while up to Now I've had my ps3 for 3 years and was a point where I left it on for 7 months straight and then I bought another 360 just to play wit my nephew and now it just collects dust after we beat gears 2 together... What a shame people including myself make such choices and I don't ever want to hear an xbot say the new 360 is better than the ps3 cuz I will just walk away and put them in my book of shame

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:09:03 AM

@brighat1971: Oh god, that blog post was like a virtual group-hug of xbots trying to make themselves feel better about their choice. True, it is his opinion, but those are funny reasons for owning a 360.

I was looking for someone who'd 'fess up and say they have a 360 to "play games for cheap" (you know what I mean), but I suppose nobody would admit to that. LOL

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bxshotboi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:22:18 AM

I do have my 360 modded but funny thing is that for sum reason It doesn't really give me more reason to play the games cuz there's hardly anything I want for 360 I enjoyed gears but I'm not gonna pay just to play multiplayer that's just blasphemy and last halo I played was odst and it made me think and ask myself WTF like 10 times Fable is cool but I feel like I was more time working to make sum extra money for whatever reason more than why I spend advancing in the story so shame on you 360 for being modable but not having more games I'd like To play and stick to

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Highlander
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:39:12 PM
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Microsoft will *never* leave this lesson

Let's see....Windows ME, Windows Vista, Bob, Zune, Windows CE, Windows Phone,....All pushed with such intense gusto and many millions of marketing. And yet they still continue to play the same game.

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gangan19
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:35:04 PM

I have nothing windows based in my home lol...i hate their softwares. everything i have is UNIX based

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Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:38:24 PM

I can tell you, I have one friend who owns them all.

He hates my iphone, and thinks its a stupid piece of hardware. Then he went out and bought a Windows phone 7 the day it came out, and went around boasting about it and showing it off to everyone. I just said iphone did it first way before, and it made him SO mad. :)

Same thing goes with Kinect. This guy bags the Wii, refuses to even hold a Wii remote, let alone play something fun. But lo and behold!!! He buys a Kinect with Dance Central and Your Shape Fitness evolved and praises it for being the best thing since sliced bread.

He acknowledges the Move, but tries to find excuses all the time for why Kinect is better and why he doesn't need a PS3 or Move or Wii. He's bought 3 360's in his lifetime, 1 cos it red ringed, and the new slim one to use with Kinect even though there was nothing wrong with his old one.

Help me!!! How can I talk sense into this MS loving nutjob of a friend!?!?! He praises Halo, Gears and Mass Effect and only games on 360 or PC!!! He is a masterful brainwasher and arguer who talked all my friends into getting 360's!!! He brushed off Uncharted saying it was alright, but not anything great!!! How can I stop this madness!!!!

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gangan19
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:26:24 AM

I have no idea, i used microsofts stuff since i was 10...through bad experience is why i hate it. it takes a while to sort things out in life

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Underdog15
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 1:05:14 AM

@Dancemachine
My favorite way (whether it effectively changes minds or not is irrelevant. ^.^) is with every brag about microsoft, follow it up with a "you mean like a ____ but not as good?" or "like the ____ did ____ years ago?"

Some examples:

Look at what my windows phone can do!
You mean that thing I got my iphone to do 2 years ago?

Check out this impressive anti-virus software I just bought for 50$ a year!
Yeah... my computer doesn't get viruses.

Check out this game! You only need a camera!
Oh cool! I remember doing that with my PS2 like 8 years ago!

Check out my gaming console! I read somewhere it will be able to play HDDVD's!
Oh yeah, I heard of that! They don't make them anymore... You're gonna need a BluRay player...

You get the idea. Just go along with him with a tone that sounds like, "yeah that is cool!" But follow it up with the obvious negative in a way that makes you seem like you feel nostalgic.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 6:12:39 AM

LOL!!! Thanks Underdog. Good stuff!

Just to let you know, this guy IS smart, very tech savvy. But he bought a Panasonic Blu-ray player over a PS3 to go with his home cinema setup, BUT he did buy a PSP over a DS, he just never plays it anymore.

The most annoying thing is he finds relevent web articles or pieces of research that support all his arguments, and is highly opininated towards Microsoft owning the future of video games with their short term plan to release the cheapest crappiest consoles in succession to keep costs down and slowly destroy the competition. HA!!! Good luck!!! MS can't buy ALL the talent in the world!!!

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bxshotboi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:39:40 AM

I truly don't understand your friend at all becuz why even bother buying a panasonic blu ray player instead of the ps3 and imo i prever the ds over the psp unless I'm playing ps1 classics and burn zombie burn :)

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ZettaiSeigi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:51:04 AM

Dancemachine, your friend is not tech savvy if he keeps buying stuff that has terrible reliability record. If he's tech-savvy, he would know that the PS3 is the one of the best Blu-ray player out there, and it can be easily updated to support new features. If he is tech-savvy, then I feel sorry for him for believing in smoke and mirrors instead of facts.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:20:35 PM

Dancemachine, I wouldn't consider his "tech savvy research" very relevant if all he's using to back it up is internet articles. Until he gets renowned references known for their scientific attention to detail, I wouldn't take anything as truth.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 6:41:20 AM

LOL!!!

I just realised, my friend is a computer engineer who recently took Microsoft tests and virtually works for Microsoft now fixing numerous PC problems for business owners.

HA!!! Funny how it all comes around.

But yeah, this guy will argue the 360 having better games and being the better system until he's blue in the face. But let me just say that he ONLY plays strategy PC games, action and shooters on 360 and links it all to his Windows Phone 7.

Hahaha, he then boasted having Assassin's Creed on his Windows Phone 7, and when he showed it to me I said "Oh, it's the same game that came out on iPhone over a year ago, yeah, I got that." LOL, then he just boasted about it working better on his phone cos of RAM and other crap. Yep, still don't know why I still talk to this guy.

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pillz81
Saturday, December 18, 2010 @ 10:53:03 AM

Maybe you're a masochist?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:50:26 PM
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Hey one thing MS has down pat is advertising. It's false advertising, but it's well done. The Kinect commercials got me watching when the fit young cutie is moving about in her workout outfit.

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Highlander
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 10:54:27 PM

Dude, I think you can do better than the Microsoftie in the Kinect commercials...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:22:34 PM

haha, well yeah I can, have, do, but my standards are REALLY low right now and to be honest I don't even remember how good the girl looked in the commercial.

Know what's funny though? Xbox fangirls tend to be dumb and obese, Sony fangirls tend to be pretty smart and trim. Well, that's just my experience in the brick and mortar gaming world.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 3:17:25 PM

I like Sony commercials there always funny I don't know if it's just me and the region I live in the states I live in or what, but I rarely see any commercials for Microsoft.

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Hezzron
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:07:03 PM
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Enough with the "my tech is bigger than your tech" talk! Show us some damn games worth playing for those of us older than 10.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:23:27 PM

FOCK yeah. Show me the software!

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frylock25
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:39:24 AM

i think Tifa is showing her software in your avatar

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:28:15 PM
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Hey Ben, I'm keepin the Tifa per week series going, but if this one is too risque let me know and I'll change it.

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Highlander
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:35:11 PM

LOL! At least it's only her shirt that she's pulling....

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:37:06 PM

Truth be told we don't know what shes doin downtown :)

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Dancemachine55
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:42:38 PM

Might be risky for anyone at work checkin' out the comments section. Last thing you want is to gain the wrong attention by the wrong people in the wrong setting.

I don't mind it, in fact, I rather like it! :D

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, December 13, 2010 @ 11:55:13 PM

Well, in my opinion, which I respect, I think it's okay in the guidelines but I bow to Benstradamus on these matters. And anything that calls attention to me is good too ;)

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frylock25
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:46:12 AM

"Well, in my opinion, which I respect,"

that is so damn funny to me when i read it

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:46:36 AM

...what's risque about that?

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:52:45 AM

World,
You draw attention to yourself just by your comments.... and that's why we love ya. Oh, and the avatar is ace.
Peace.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 1:06:47 AM

I'll just disable images on mozilla on my work computer. That way it won't be seen. At home, I couldn't care less. Heck, might even get the missus in the mood!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:29:55 AM

Oh, it's changed now. Yeah, that's fine.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:50:17 AM
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They're right on this front. Micro$oft can blow as hard as they like, but when damn near every Kinect has been modded in six months for use as a home SFX machine, instead of games, the Move will still be selling, and gaining increasingly better productions. It isn't smart to aim a gaming device at everyone but gamers. Well, that would be logical, but take a look at where that got Nintendo... As I've stated before, logic is not humanity's strong point.
Peace.

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swapnilgyani
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:23:45 AM
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Move and Kinect both have a different target market, and both can co-exists easily.

I think the ideal motion gaming device would be Move's supreme accuracy (and the fact that it is a physical controller) combined with Kinect's depth perception and camera.

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main_event05
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 3:11:50 AM
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Hmm, I kinda liked the kinect set up. But yea, i can see how it'll be limited. lol, when kinect dominates the market (sarcasm), say good bye to FPS and get ready for RSs (rail shooters).

That being said. I wish move would have been a bit more like kinect with the motion sensing like from the work out games and stuff while still keeping the wand, because that would work well with the idea of a MGS Big Boss training game.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:57:31 AM

First Person Shooters vs On The Rails Shooters...

FPS vs OTRS

Ew......

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main_event05
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 1:15:21 PM

Time Crisis did it very well. And HotD, and Umbrella Chronicles. But I dread the day they try to make it a staple.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 3:08:21 AM

pyew...pyew pyew pyew.

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RebelJD
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 7:05:38 AM
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I know. Make more games and have a catalog of at least 30 awesome games. Continue to build on that and you're money.

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PAKINIPS
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 7:28:21 AM
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If they don't advertise people won't know it exists

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Orvisman
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:09:28 AM
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People are sheeple. Show them enough commercials and they'll think your product is the superior one. Hence, the 360 constantly outselling the PS3 in the U.S. … and now the Kinect.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:59:32 AM

It bugs the crap out of me how Microsoft consistently lies about it's products, or mis-characterizes them and is rewarded for the duplicity. Sony on the other hand generally speaking sticks to the truth about it's product and get's slammed for it.

Huh?

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Kevin5
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:35:19 AM
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Microsoft and SONY are both just as bad as eachother when it comes to big noting and whoring their products. It's what gimps like Pachter get paid for even if you don't agree with half the lukewarm dribble that vents from their mouths.

Both care about your money more than your forum worshipping. I don't take sides with either, they're both full of brainwashing propaganda. If i want either of their products i will experience it myself instead of nodding and applauding every word that comes from PR's.

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:59:16 AM

If you pay attention, you'll find that most here are not 'forum worshiping'. gotta love the way you dismiss others in such a superior way though...

Personally, I've been in technology and computing long enough to have basically seen it all, first hand. I evaluate everything based on my own knowledge and experience.

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:13:32 PM
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That's what I like about Sony, they don't adverstise crazy like M$ does. Sony rather takes the time and see what can be done/upgraded.

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main_event05
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 1:16:30 PM

Ever notice that 90% of all talkers are just that. Silence says a lot about someone.

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:19:26 PM

my points exactly.

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Danny007
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:28:29 PM
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The question is: Who has better motion marketing?
Winner: Sony
Why?


Kevin Butler > Kids Jumping Up and Down In Front Of The TV

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:31:48 PM
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No worries, the Playstation tortoise will always overcome any & all of M$'s split hares.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:35:06 PM
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Here, read this article on the Kinect....

The Terrifying Next Step in Xbox Kinect Evolution

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-terrifying-next-step-in-xbox-kinect-evolution/

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:40:53 PM
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The difference between the Move & the Kinect....

The Move: Would you like to play?

The Kinect: I'M WATCHING YOU!


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thj_1980
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:45:53 PM
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Microsoft isn't a bad company i mean I have nothing wrong with them besides the stupid xbot fanboys. Annoying as **** To all xbots:

"Do yourself a favor and **** off!"

Saying kinect is brand new and hasn't been done in the past before. And now when a mother who decides to go to bestbuy and ask a sales associate about kinect they'll say
"Kinect is hands free way to game, and is brand new technology."

Regardless if they are a xbot or not because the information behind kinect is falsely told to everyone besides the people who look at the tech specs.

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thj_1980
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:44:41 PM

point proven highlander. I understand ia bad company I mean that compnay is acutally good in everyway?

But from so far, I guess i will rephrase it they aren't that bad!!!!!

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thj_1980
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:44:41 PM

point proven highlander. I understand ia bad company I mean that compnay is acutally good in everyway?

But from so far, I guess i will rephrase it they aren't that bad!!!!!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 2:47:55 PM
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Microsoft isn't a bad company?????

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 3:38:04 PM

Oh, I shall resist the temptation to drop a 1,000 word essay on how MS is a bad company. Instead, I'll simply point out that Microsoft is a convicted monopolist, that's bigger now than when they were convicted.

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Gimmedat
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 6:39:35 PM
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I see move becoming the defining force in motion control in a few years,maybe sooner with all the great games it will have support on.

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:30:41 PM
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My Homeboy: Hey man! You'll never guess what I got!

Me: Uh! What?

My Homeboy: Kinect!, YAY!

Me: REALLY! So what kind of games can you play.

My Homeboy: Oh well I can exercise, ....... and activate menus with my voice.

Me: Ok(Blank Stare)....... what ELSE can you do.

My Homeboy: HMMMMMM........ Well!!!!!!! I-I can play Kinectimals?

Me: (Eyebrow Raised)What the hell is that???

My Homeboy: Virtually stuffed animals.... Kinect is awesome you should get one.

Me: (Blank Stare again)........So let me get this straight you paid $150 for a make believe workout thingy, and a game of Virtually stuffed animals.

My Homeboy: YEP(Big Ass Grin on His Face he knows I'm annoyed)!

Me: Naw! I'll pass(Walks Off).

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Highlander
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:11:30 PM

Me: Hey, dude, I got PlayStation Move, and this cool new 3D TV. Wanna try it out?
Guyver's Homeboy: Naw man! I got Kinect, what do I need that Sony BS for? It's so last year.
Me: OK, but I got 3D BluRay too....
Guyver's Homeboy: I think I can get some HD-DVDs going cheap at the Dollar Store, what movie you want?
Me: Well, I have Avatar in 3D, and of course that new Shrek 3D pack.
Guyver's Homeboy: Shrek! Why in hell would I want to watch that kiddie crap?
Me: Well, you told Guyver about Kinectimals, I figured...
Guyver's Homeboy: You figured what!?
Me: Well, you know all cute and furry animals and stuff, kind of kiddie, so I though Shrek would be right up your...
Guyver's Homeboy: No way! Shooters for me. All the damned way. Shooters!
Me: OK, well I have MAG and KZ3 comes out in February. Socom 4 comes out about a month after that. I also have Resident Evil 5, and some other games that got a free Move upgrade like Heavy Rain. Want to play them?
Guyver's Homeboy: Err....nah, Halo rules!
Me: Yes, well, if you change your mind, and get tired of stroking that virtual monkey, I have GT5 set up and ready to go in 3D, and downloaded the free Move patch for Heavy Rain.
Guyver's Homeboy: Free....?
Me: Yep. Free. Some games got 3D for free too.
Guyver's Homeboy: Free? What's that? I don't get it. You mean you don't have to pay?
Me: Nope, only for new games, lots of games already out have Move and/or 3D being added to them - for free.
Guyver's Homeboy: Um....you said GT5 in 3D, and Resident Evil 5 with Move?
Me: Yep, real games, not simulated taxidermy....
Guyver's Homeboy: OK...maybe just a little...

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:30:31 PM

Yo you know what's funny about that he really would say all that too. It sound exactly like him word for word I swear.LOL

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