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Nomura: Lightning From FFXIII "Must Not Be Forgotten"

"She must not be forgotten."

So said Square-Enix boss Tetsuya Nomura in reference to Lightning, the pretty, fiercely independent protagonist from Final Fantasy XIII. This from a mysterious e-mail Nomura sent out to Square-Enix Ultimate Members; the simple art work and corresponding message can be found at GamersMint, and it has sparked a whirlwind of discussion. Unsurprisingly, the majority believe Nomura is hinting at a sequel, which wouldn't be entirely unwelcome.

Most remember Final Fantasy X-2 and although it still holds a less-than-stellar reputation, many of the fans - myself included - loved it. So if they want to make Final Fantasy XIII-2, this particular franchise follower will be intrigued...after all, Square-Enix has received a ton of feedback concerning FFXIII, and they just might make a few changes... We've given up on the possibility of turn-based, but there are many steps the developers could take to provide us with a "truer" FF experience.

As always, I must add that I thoroughly enjoyed FFXIII - despite my disappointment that it wasn't what I expected - and both Lightning and Fang are two of my favorite characters this generation. In fact, Lightning was just starting to get interesting at the end of FFXIII, so I'm all for a return. Gotta love the strawberry blond hair, too.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy XIII

Tags: ffxiii, ff13, final fantasy xiii, lightning, ffxiii-2

12/14/2010 9:00:28 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (107 posts)

Jonesy555
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:39:06 PM
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I'd welcome a XIII-2 for more Lightning. But Sazh better make a cameo appearance or two. He was easily the most relatable person from the game. Maybe because we're both Black...

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:43:41 PM

Do you both have that sweet fro? =)

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GuyverLT
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:34:51 PM

I got a fro I really don't know if it's sweet or not though seeing how I've never tasted it....... HMMM!!! I'mma have to try that one day.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:37:28 PM

Guyver, it'd probably taste okay just as long as you didn't keep a choco-chic in it 'cause your hair would probably smell and taste like poo.

=p

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GuyverLT
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:41:13 PM

LOL.

I'll try to keep that mind.

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GuyverLT
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 2:13:58 PM

Also would it be too much to ask for developers to use more Black protagonist cause their almost always The side guy/Partner but never hardly the main character asides from a couple game like the Def Jam games or GTA: San Andreas, or 2nd True Crime game but aside from them not many.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 4:01:08 PM

I totally agree: more non-white characters.

I don't want to start seeing tokenism, but there's no reason for every lead to be a white dude. Except for the fact that they're all voiced by Nolan North, I suppose.

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GuardianMode
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:41:26 PM
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A unforgettable character in a very forgettable game.

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Victor321
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:46:53 PM
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Awesomesauce for the comment at the end Ben, I feel so happy that I'm not the only one who notices that....or at the very least, says it out loud to his friends and gets awkward looks in return.

:)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:50:37 PM

Bah, forget your friends. Lightning is cute. :)

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Victor321
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:26:24 PM

Indeed she is, no doubt about that!
I have a very big poster of her to prove it ^__^

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spiderboi
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:31:37 PM

Lightning, when she gets all emo, gets me me frustrated with her and then makes me think of bad things with her :p
Like c'mon, who's a female soldier who comes to battle in a skirt.. (not that I'm whole-ly complaining though)

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Kevin5
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:46:55 PM
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Noone will forget Lightning, but most will forget about FFXIII.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:51:47 PM

So true my friend.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:55:07 PM

I won't forget FF13. The game was a stunning example of artistic design and strong production values that I can't imagine anyone being able to soon forget because, frankly, there aren't many other games that match it on those fronts. The issues "fans" have with it tend to be directed towards the stripped down more linear format. While I loved the combat engine, I didn't love missing the more varied pacing of FF's from say the PSX era. It looks, sounds, and is presented as the part, but the game experience is on a diet compared to prior outings.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:08:37 PM

I could forget Lightening. Vanille on the other hand....

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 2:54:42 AM

@temjin
i'm not surprised you liked the combat system. like how ninja gaiden combat, final fantasy combat system is pretty speedy/fast too. As for why fans dont really like it, its not really about linearity. final fantasy X was pretty linear too but i still loved it. If i was to say why i dont like about it, i would say its more of pacing or the feeling of being rushed. That and the feeling that your characters dont really seem like theyre growing stronger throught the game.

sure, you need to get the best armor or what not but to me armor and weapons should be a secondary type of add on/stat augmentation. your survival shouldnt be dictated by what armor or weapon you equip. they could factor into it but not be solely reliant on it. basically your party hasnt grown that much, they just found armor that allows them to survive a lot longer. maxing out the chrystalium, which is capped depending on story progression by the way, and still being crushed easily isnt satisfying.

I also didnt like how i was being rushed in both story and combat. linearity is fine but a 20 hour tutorial is just mind numbing. being rushed in combat just leads me to just picking whatever command i can get to fast enough. there can be strategy but its kinda meh. i like thoroughly thinking out strategies to defeat enemies. i dont mind if action doesnt stop but the way FF13 did it, you can be defeated easily at any turn. of course, you can be killed any turn as usual but your enemy's power compared to yours at any point in the game is overwhelming. like that last boss, if you dont have your buffs up at all times, he can practically kill your team in one move. couple that with the main character dying means game over, even though you have 2 damn medics right next to you by the way with the revive spell.

All in all, pretty much all the things that made the game great were there, the visuals and story. What they're missing is the final fantasy experience which is why fans feel like they've been screwed. We expected a final fantasy game, which we cant be blamed for seeing that they did use the name, but ended up with a game that was far below our expectations as series fans, even if it was a great game in its own right. basically, if they say they were giving us final fantasy, then give us final fantasy, not a different game bearing the same name. Kinda like how hollywood does their video game movies. all they use is the name to cover up their crap. although in final fantasy 13 sense, this was far from crap.

on a side note, i was really pissed that we couldnt use snow for what seems like have the game. i dont remember if he was weak as hell when he joined but i was irritated that they shelved a character which had personal ties with lightning and her sister for that long. snow wasnt even my favorite character but if they did that with vanille, i'd be really pissed.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:59:10 AM

The battle system was terribly terrible. Worst gaming experience I have had in the last 10 years. Such a stupid and pointless battle system. Didn't even feel like I was playing a game. Who ever designed that system should be fired.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:20:32 AM

Johnld, yeah, the time element I liked. It added a couple dynamics to the battle tactics. Staggering some enemies would reward timing efficiency and understanding how to optimally arrange your team. And secondly, I almost always felt I had plenty of time to choose what command my one character would do. I also liked how I could break the ATB and execute a command early to meet a time sensitive demand.
I also liked the way the game would remember your libra scan and automatically pick the best elemental attack etc. It cuts down on input command redundancy.

I also think liking the FF13 combat is necessary to liking FF13. I just can't see how anyone would like the game if the combat was a turn-off. The game is largely on a one track course with battle after battle after battle, broken up by brief traveling, and story sequences.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 9:48:14 PM
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I don't mind seeing a spin-off return to the characters of FF13. I can't say I was really compelled by FFX-2. In fact, I had a pretty ambivalent disposition towards it. Many of my friends agreed the game had a way too feme'ish vibe for our tastes. But those who actually could stomach the content claimed the game as a jRPG was great and not to be missed. Perhaps if it ever goes PSN I'll take a crack at it... again.

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 2:59:31 AM

yeah, it was more of that "girl power" type thing. I still loved it though, story was great and tied up loose ends. i initially played if after i replayed X so that i dont miss a beat with the story. Combat system was pretty sweet too.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:22:56 AM

Final Fantasy X-2 is one of the greatest video games of all time.

Do yourselves a favor, drop the overly masculine insecurities, and treat yourself to one of the best RPGs of any generation.

-Arvis

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:41:22 AM

Lol! X-2 was not that great.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:37:53 AM

Look Arvis, the content has to be interesting. I love game play too but it better look and sound like a game I want to play. The first couple hours of FFX-2 was really hard to swallow. I'm sure perverts, femme guys or lonely guys who can't get girls may have a voyeuristic kick from playing it but I don't belong to either of those categories.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 11:47:56 AM

How about guys who are comfortable with their masculinity and actually know a thing or two about girls beyond their physiology?

Is that a category you fit into?

-Arvis

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:32:09 PM

No Arvis. How about YOU try coming up with a better argument for why the game is "one of teh best games evah" than just accusing us of misogyny.

Pretty pathetic argument and tells me more about you than it does those who disagree with you.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:44:22 PM

The game speaks for itself. Didn't know this was an argument.

Also, I apologize if I made you think I considered you guys misogynists. I don't think that and didn't mean to convey it.

The game has a very deep story if you pay attention, and understanding Yuna's mind and the way she is dealing with losing a loved one in death is some of the most complex characterization in any RPG.
Admittedly, the story hangs on the first game and wouldn't be anything special without it.

As for gameplay mechanics, read a review if you want to know why it's awesome. JOB CLASSES, man! :)

-Arvis

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:23:37 PM

Always a friendly argument. :) Not the other kind of arguement. I just thought it was a little odd that you kept going back to the "anti-woman" defense for the game.

I will give the game this, it had a more entertaining battle system than FFXIII. I just couldn't get into the whole J-Pop feel of the game.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 4:12:14 PM

Arvis, just go dress up your little girlies, be happy and tell yourself there's nothing wrong with it =p

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oONewcloudOo
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:02:36 PM
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lightning is a cool charactor but im still trying to forget vaan *shivers*

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eLLeJuss
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:12:50 PM

LOL. Vaan is like the worst main guy ever.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:15:52 PM

I didn't really think Vaan was the main character. He was introduced to us first, but his purpose was pretty backseat to a few of the others, like Ashe and the knight dudes(forget their names).

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nilos95
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:09:33 AM

She won't be forgotten.

Anyway, for me the best FF characters are Zack(FFVII), Balthier(FFXII) and.............................Delita(ask Ben if you don't know him)

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:20:28 AM

Well, it's going to be made that little bit harder to forget him, what with his inclusion in Dissidia 012.
Peace.

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:04:33 AM

actually, i think they didnt mean any of the characters to be the "main character". I believe their goal was to focus on the entire world/setting that was happening in it than the experience of a person's perspective. for that reason and that it was a politically motivated setting left me without an attachment to any character. i still enjoyed the game though.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:54:17 PM

yeah, Johnld, now that you mention that, I think I read an interview somewhere where years ago that the story wasn't supposed to have any concrete protagonist.

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Oxvial
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:09:44 PM
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Shes going to be on Dissidia 2 but still I just find her decent but I don't care if we don't see her again.

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eLLeJuss
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:12:16 PM
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WHAT ABOUT VANILLE HUH? Best character EVAR! I bet you guys loved the way she spoke. We need more vanille scenes if u gonna make the ffx13-2 <3

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cLoudou
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:10:25 PM

I like Vanille, Light's cute too.
Would welcome a sequel, hoping it would be somewhat like Crisis Core.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:10:24 AM

Uh...I could do without Vanille. She's what, 13?

No, Fang and Lightning will be fine.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:18:57 AM

Vanille was 16, thank you very much.... Yeah, she was cute, but her cheeriness started to grate towards the end. I'd like to see her back, but Lightning was more my style. :P

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swapnilgyani
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 2:47:33 AM

Oh...Vanille :: facepalm ::

Lightning was a strong character, and for most part, cute! But my favourite character was Fang. She had this "bad girl" vibe about her (which I love in ladies in real life too), yet was really good at heart. And oh, she was super hotttt. In many ways, she reminded me of Chloe from Uncharted 2.

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chedison
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:44:17 AM

Lawless, towards the end? more like right from the beginning lol.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 6:20:14 AM

No, I could deal with it early on. Constant optimism is not something that I can deal with well though.
Peace.

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eLLeJuss
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:07:10 PM

Fang had the Susan Boyle accent so i didn't really like her that much. But yeah, she was hot.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:17:16 PM
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As long as Lightning doesn't get two other female friends to traverse the globe in search of treasure and dresspheres, while high five-ing girl style, laughing and cheering like a 13 year old, we'll be fine.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:35:27 PM

And what about performing Britany Spears concerts? Is that out of the question too?
=)

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:38:14 PM

Stop hating.
If you found treasure you would pump fists with your friends.

The story was extremely compelling and the gameplay was superb.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:31:25 AM

Oops, I accidentally gave you a thumbs down there Underdog. But I can fix that. *click* fixed ;)

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 7:42:35 AM

@Scarecrow
I think you mean the gameplay was superb and then stopped there. The story only advances really at the start and end of a chapter.

If you break it down, there's almost no story. It just feels like there is because you're constantly engaged within a world that echoes the exact same emotions from one end of the globe to the other. I thought it was a nice exclamation point to FFX, but it certainly didn't have it's own compelling story.

I got the good good ending, myself, but there were numerous times I felt like a teenage girl while playing. I also felt like they made Yuna ditzier. And given Paine's past, they really did her character a disservice. She should have been far more compelling. Her entire personality is based on one single event in her life, and they made the illusion of her being complex by simply making her unwilling to talk about the past.

The writing, the music, the characters (LeBlanc and co.? WTF?!), the story... it was pretty poor. In fact, the best characters in that entire game were supporting leads (the 3 guys, I forget their names now... Nooj, Baralai, or something like that and I forget the third). Those three were the best characters.

But you're right about the gameplay. That battle system was one of the best ever, in my opinion. My comment was moreso based on the travesty that was Yuna 2-point-oh. They butchered her character and made her dumber. In fact, the only times she resembled the Yuna I loved, is in her thoughts. I dunno... I thought the writing was weak.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:34:37 AM

Underdog15, your analysis reads like you put an entire 3 minutes worth of consideration into the game's story.

"They made her dumber." Are you SURE?
And yet you say "the only times she resembled the Yuna I loved, is in her thoughts." Hmm, maybe there's a reason for that in the storyline?

Maybe you should play it again and see what you missed?

-Arvis

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 11:06:10 AM

@Underdog,
It's stunning and somewhat sad how you bash the female cast and go "oh the other three, nooj, barilai, and gippal" were badass.

And then you talk about how you felt like a girl.

I think you need to take a deep breath and remember that girls act like..........girls.

And you make no real arguments against the story. There's nothing in your statements that backs up your points in any way shape or form. You're basically voicing your opinion, pure subjective stuff like "she should have been like this and like that."

I instead I invite you to an objective observation. She was traumatized or at least hurt by what happened to her at the end of FFX and how it all unfolded. Yes, she became complex in FFX-2 based on that. OMG but no, she should have stayed simple!!!! The music wasn't as memorable as FFX I agree. But there were some really memorable tracks in the game, Memories of Lightwaves for example, as well as Yuna's songs 1000 words and Real Emotion. You say the writing wasn't great, in what way? If you're counting the mini-games that's extra stuff present in all FFs. In previous FFs we have had to deal with drunken party members, we have had to negotiate stuff between clowns, etc. Those sorts of mini-games have always been present. It doesn't take away from the writing. The writing is in the 1000 year old battles at Zanarkand and how therein existed a songtress named Lenne and a warrior named Shuyin who were intricately connected with Yuna and Tidus.

If you actually play the game (through and through). Not a speed-run to the half-way point like some of you people do. You will understand.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 11:53:45 AM

Scarecrow pretty much has it.

Ask yourself, "WHY does Yuna act one way around her friends, but on the inside she is still the same Yuna from the first game? What is she hiding? What would make her do this? Why does she want to change?"

Sounds like honest-to-god "character development" to me.

-Arvis

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:28:09 PM

Well, first of all, I can already tell you didn't clearly read what I wrote. You say I only played part way, but I clearly stated I played enough to get the good good ending (aka perfect ending). I have beaten the game twice. And I am telling you, the story was not as thick as you think. It is merely a compliment to FFX. On it's own, it is not substantial.

And I did back it up with points about Paine, for example. I also stated the thickest characters were the three guys. I did not say they were "badass". I said they were better contrived. Perhaps that is because they were originals to this title and had much less of a back story to exploit any holes in their writing. And I stand by my points about character development being relatively weak. The story is ONLY strong if you decide to fill in the blanks with what you feel should be in the blanks. But the game does a poor job of properly representing itself on it's own. In fact, without the context of FFX, the game is pretty empty and devoid of meaning. Yuna's entire motive is based upon events from FFX, for example. Without that knowledge of FFX, her motives are weak and simply do NOT make sense. FFX-2 does a poor job of efficiently building up motive.

So here's a more objective look, as requested:

The ingredients to it's story are simple. Give Yuna some longing for a lost loved one. Make Paine SEEM complex by simply making her unwilling to discuss her past, and make Riku hot, cute, full of energy, and lovable. Riku's motivations and purposes in FFX were rich and passionate. In FFX-2, she's just a supportive friend without wisdom. Wisdom I felt she had in FFX. In fact, she regularly showed that wisdom despite her age and "young" vocabulary which sometimes limited her ability to express herself. (Something done well enough that I felt it was intentional in her character's writing in FFX) In FFX-2, she was just a bubbly supporter who rarely understood what was going on. (In FFX, she ALWAYS knew. Inconsistant. FFX she was smart enough to be in charge of an excavation team!)

Again, I think if YOU GUYS go back and play through it and approach it from the perspective of not needing to have played FFX, you will see that there's a lot that is not explained well. There are lots of Easter eggs, and I CLEARLY said it's an excellent compliment to FFX, but on it's own, it is relatively ill-contrived. Too many characters are inconsistant in comparison to their originals.

Also, I don't know ANY 20 year old women that act like 13 year old girls. Maybe it's because I'm only interested in adult women. Maybe it's because my wife is one of the wisest women I know. Or maybe, I complain because I find that behavior inconsistant with both Yuna's thought patterns and previous behaviors. Come on, guys... That's not how mature, battle hardened, formally wise women behave. It just isn't believable. They're hot women put on a screen to tickle the fancy of guys like us who like to watch them jump up and down innocently. It is NOT typical behavior for characters of their background. It just isn't believable... at ALL.

Anyways, my complaints aren't even that bad. Yeah, I find the writers didn't do nearly as well as they could have. But I still admitted a number of times now, that it was an excellent compliment to FFX, and that I loved the gameplay.

I'm sorry if you feel my analysis of the characters is inaccurate, but I don't feel like it's terribly unfounded or without points. I think I've represented my opinion well and in a way I know both of you have, at least in the past, said is something you admire about this site. Why should I have to agree with you if I can at least back myself up with relevant thought patterns?

EDIT: @Scarecrow
The simplest and least respected form of character development is the kind where a character acts completely unlike themselves for the sole reason of "she's hiding something". It's SO easy to write. In fact, it's downright lazy! You can alter the character into any type of character you want with that description; whatever suits the writers needs. Good writing of characters ALWAYS challenges the writer to figure out more about the character they are writing. In this instance, Yuna is merely manufactured into something that is easilly fit into the writers hands. Good character development might have people acting not like they would normally, but not so much to the point that they are a complete reconstruction where the only thing that remains themselves is what's in their head as Yuna was. Your true self ALWAYS comes out. The writing in this game allowed it to be 100% locked away until the expected end. I'm sorry, but FFX-2 is merely a compliment to FFX. It is nothing special on it's own.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 2:04:46 PM

"And I am telling you, the story was not as thick as you think. It is merely a compliment to FFX. On it's own, it is not substantial."

This is fair.


"FFX-2 does a poor job of efficiently building up motive."
"They're hot women put on a screen to tickle the fancy of guys like us who like to watch them jump up and down innocently. It is NOT typical behavior for characters of their background. It just isn't believable... at ALL."

This could be applied to pretty much every JRPG and/or anime (especially bishoujo), but that doesn't invalidate the complaint. I guess I consider it par for the course, depending on the nature of the storytelling medium.


"The simplest and least respected form of character development is the kind where a character acts completely unlike themselves for the sole reason of "she's hiding something". It's SO easy to write. In fact, it's downright lazy! ... Yuna is merely manufactured into something that is easilly fit into the writers hands. Good character development might have people acting not like they would normally, but not so much to the point that they are a complete reconstruction where the only thing that remains themselves is what's in their head as Yuna was. Your true self ALWAYS comes out."

I would agree with this, except that they had to write BOTH versions of Yuna. Her true character came out several times, and was in full force at the game's climax.
Not to mention, but when somebody in real life is trying to change who they are for whatever reason, they'll usually try to imitate somebody they're close to and/or look up to. In Yuna's case, this was Rikku.

I don't know, I didn't consider it a rudimentary character arc at all.

Still, I like this more in-depth analysis of yours MUCH better! I miss the days of debating the merits of all the Final Fantasy games, back when I was a bit younger. :)

-Arvis

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:37:29 PM

"This could be applied to pretty much every JRPG and/or anime (especially bishoujo), but that doesn't invalidate the complaint. I guess I consider it par for the course, depending on the nature of the storytelling medium."

This is actually a really great point. Sometimes I tend to overanalyze characters in storytelling mediums that don't necessarilly work well with such overanalysis.

"Not to mention, but when somebody in real life is trying to change who they are for whatever reason, they'll usually try to imitate somebody they're close to and/or look up to. In Yuna's case, this was Rikku."

First off, I just noticed I've been spelling it Riku like in Kingdom Hearts by accident... Oops!!

Second, this is a good point, and perhaps it could be said that Rikku and Yuna are feeding off each other. That avenue might be worth exploring and prodding a bit more as they develop more of their cousin to cousin relationship. The only reason I say they feed off each other and not just Yuna acting like Rikku is because I felt there was a degeneration in Rikku that took place over 2 years of her life when she would have been more likely to advance. Especially when you take into account the good discernment Rikku had in FFX in everything from how to behave, talk, knowledge on political issues, etc. FFX-2 she seemed to be less informed, for some reason. That attitude could be explained if Rikku and Yuna are feeding off each other and jointly disengaging from their loss of you-know-who. (Rikku really had an almost brother/sister relationship with him, afterall!)

At any rate, after re-reading my earlier posts, I don't want it to seem like I feel FFX-2 has no merrit. I was initially just suggesting I hope they don't write Lightning the same way. She needs to become much more in-depth development to be allowed to bury past emotions. Besides... can any of us picture a bubbly, giddy Lightning? lol

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 5:01:16 PM

@Underdog

Awesome post. I was starting to read it, then got a late call from a client and was stuck on the phone for 25 minutes. Periodically during the call I found myself thinking "I Just wanna read Underdog's response!"
Unhealthy, I'm sure.
I used to be super active in a Facebook group about Final Fantasy, and all the active members all talked like you and I are now, just constantly going back and forth, exploring the worlds, characters, relationships, and so forth. Man, I've forgotten how much I can write about this crap until this thread inspired me.

"Besides... can any of us picture a bubbly, giddy Lightning? lol "

GOD, no! :D

Although making a game where she smiles or even (*gasp*) laughs once or twice might be very interesting for Lightning fans.

Personally, I'm all for direct sequels to EVERY Final Fantasy game ever. I get too attached to the characters, and then I'm forced to say goodbye to them forever. :(

And honestly, I think that might be a tiny bit of why I DO get so defensive about X-2. Since I want more direct sequels, I'd rather people didn't crap all over the only one they've ever done.
Aside from that, I do legitimately adore X-2 with all my heart.

-Arvis

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marcusfrommo
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:20:35 PM
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Please let this be true. I hope they can bring both Vanille and Fang back. You can keep the same play mechanics for all i care.

But seriously, why hint about this when people in Japan are still in the dark (i think) about ff13 versus. FF14 release date is to be announced. And now your hinting at another ff console game.

Please stop.

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Teddie9
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:31:00 PM

Exactly.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 10:34:54 PM

Weird thing is that FF14 will come out earlier than Versus but Versus has a 13 in it.

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frylock25
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:01:35 AM

didnt 11 come out before 10-2?

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:07:42 AM

@snaaake
the ps3 version of final fantasy 14 has been delayed indefinitely because it was a piece of crap. i'm rephrasing of course.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 4:16:25 PM

XI didn't come out before X-2, at least not on the PS2. I got FFX-2 with my PS2 at Xmas 2003 (and returned it for FFX), then bought the HDD with FFXI about 10 months later.

From Wikipedia:

FFXI PS2 JP May 16, 2002
FFXI PC JP November 7, 2002
FFX-2 PS2 JP March 13, 2003
FFXI PC NA October 28, 2003
FFX-2 PS2 NA November 18, 2003
FFX-2 PS2 PAL February 19-20, 2004
FFXI PS2 NA March 23, 2004
FFXI PC PAL September 17, 2004

So, in Japan, yes, but in NA no.

p.s. I swear this is all formatted properly, but the site is ignoring all the extra spaces.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:07:38 PM
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I bet to differ. That entire game needs to be scrubbed from my memory. :P

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:12:35 AM

face it jawk, everything was great with the game. it was very final fantasy like in every way minus the "final fantasy experience" which they forgot to include when they decided to call it a numbered final fantasy game. it would've passed if it was called final fantasy versus 13 or something to that effect. at least we would know that it wasnt a typical final fantasy game. hell, when we heard final fantasy versus 13, we didnt exactly think that this is classic final fantasy, although it helped that they told us its not like previous final fantasy games.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 5:19:19 AM

i agree with jawk, at the end of the day, it was big bowl of meh.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:49:25 AM

Nah, pretty graphics(though that's dabatable too)weren't enough to keep me interested. The game blew chunks from start to finish. Only when you reach Gran Pulse does the dry heaving stop, only to start again an few hours later once you leave Gran Pulse. Easily my biggest disappointment his gen. Even more so than RE5.

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:15:58 PM
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They're gonna use the "full game they had to cut out" for this supposed "sequel."

What a ripoff lol.

I still can't believe some here are even considering in buying this. What a sad world.

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Kiryu
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 11:23:29 PM
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Any news on Final Fantasy versus 13?Have u not even started production on this game Square Enix?

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RebelJD
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:09:30 AM
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Final Fantasy XIII is one of those games I haven't picked up yet but have been thinking about it on & off. If they continue with the story and character(s) that would be cool. Anything to redeem the Final Fantasy name that fans have been disappointed with for quite some time now.

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Fane1024
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 4:26:26 PM

You should be able to get it really cheap soon. I've already seen it new for $30 (regular price, not a sale).

Remember how long it took for FFX to drop in price? It still sells for nearly $30 if you can find a new copy.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:49:26 AM
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I don't care what female dish SE serves up, as long as they make mine......."Vanilla"

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:03:23 AM
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***POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD***

I quite liked the characters of FFXIII, yet for some reason, I kept thinking that Hope was the main character, rather than Lightning. Weird. If this is indeed pointing at a sequel to it, I can see myself getting it. Considering that it would likely be set entirely on Gran Pulse, going by the ending of the first game. Could be good. More likely it refers to her appearance in The 3rd Birthday, and Dissidia Duodecim though.

With that out of the way: S-E, for frick's sake, stop announcing and teasing these games, and get the ones that are in production out the door and make sure they're decent. Forget Lightning for now, and make Noctis and Card-kun your focus. Don't forget about THEM!
Peace.

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:18:11 AM

probably because he was the youngest and well, his name was "hope". other than lightning and in a way, snow, he had an actual family that was with him only to be ripped away from throughout the game.

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Ultimate_Balla
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:39:41 AM
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It wouldn't kill Vanille to have a snack every once in a while ('_'). Actually quite the opposite.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:29:05 AM

Do any of the characters eat? It seems like nobody bathes or eats in these games, and they rarely sleep.

-Arvis

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Underdog15
Saturday, December 18, 2010 @ 2:27:58 PM

The don't NEED to sleep, bathe, or eat! They're l'cie!

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swapnilgyani
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 2:40:13 AM
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For me, personally, Final Fantasy XIII is a classic example of what could have been...!

The graphics were jaw dropping, in-gmae music was neat, voice acting was just what it should have been. Most of the characters were very well scripted. All in all, presentation was simply brilliant.

I also enjoyed most of the gameplay elements. The battle system, while broken at its core, was still fun. The character / weapon upgrade system was well implemented. All the foundations were right there.

But they failed at some really basic stuff, which more or less broke the entire game for many. I'd easily rate it as the best game this generation if:

1. They stop holding your hand after about an hour of gameplay, and give you full access to everything you can do.

2. Give the gamer at least some degree of control over what the other party members do, specifically, the order in which they dish out their buffs and debuffs.

3. Provide a more pronounced sense of increase in power as the characters' abilities are upgraded.

4. A less linear approach would do this game the justice it deserves. Give the gamers more to do outside of battles.

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:21:17 AM

you forgot number 5, no game over screen until the ENTIRE party is wiped out.

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johnld
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:15:06 AM
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damn double posts, i've been downloading this dc universe online beta for a while now, it takes forever, and its screwing up internet connection on my computer.

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Wissam
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 4:29:46 AM
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Maybe they will make it good this time.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 5:26:04 AM
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id play the sequel IF they drop the battle system they used on FFXIII. It was extremely boring after awhile and did too much hand holding. Summons were pretty pointless for the most part except for battling adamantoises and other random parts. Kinda felt bad for Odin, use to be a pretty powerful summon but was reduce to weaksauce on this game

Some believe the game would have scored higher if the game wasn't titled final fantasy, but i tend to think its the opposite, i think the name actually helped it maintain a decent score for some reviewers. I tried my best to like the game but when its all said and done, i was let down, not because of hype but because it just wasn't fun enough.

And please, if a sequel does come along or if they finally decide to make Versus, no more blocky looking fingers and toes.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:26:22 AM

Complaining about fingers and toes...

...what have we become?

-Arvis

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:45:25 AM

C'mon Arvis, they looked ridiculous. How is it Naughty Dog can give Drake and Co nice rounded fingers in 2007 but Square couldn't do it in 2010? This game is a huge example of Square losing it's mojo on all count. The gross block hands were a distraction. Everytime an ingame cutscene started all I noticed was how stupid their hands looked in comparison to the rest of the presentation. It was very disjointing.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 11:50:14 AM

I suppose if you're looking for the flaws, they probably stand out.

Didn't bother me in FFVII.

-Arvis

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:37:09 PM

Err, FFVII came out in 1997. We are in 2010. I think there is a bit of a difference.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 1:46:34 PM

I'm just saying, there were better character models back in 1997 than Cloud and his lego arms. But nobody really used Cloud's lego arms as a valid complaint about the game.

Nobody rational, that is.

-Arvis

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Jawknee
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:26:53 PM

I didn't really have anything to compare VII too until I played Resident Evil 2 and Final Fantasy VIII. I agree no one complained but I think for me it had more to do with the style Square was going for. That game has a certain level of charm to it when it comes to graphics and character models. Square was going for a more realistic vibe with XIII and the cube fingers just seemed way out of place when compared to the rest of the presentation. The game looked great and the FMV's was awesome. If they managed to make everything else look gorgeous, why the halfass job on the hands? I mean, what if Kratos and Drake had hands from PS2 days while the rest of the game looks the way it does? it would be inconsistent.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 3:37:46 PM

"If they managed to make everything else look gorgeous, why the halfass job on the hands?"

Personally, I blame the 360 for everything bad about XIII. ;)

And yeah, those CG sequences.... Square can do some CG, man. Whew.

-Arvis

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Dustinwp
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 8:39:18 AM
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I am really surprised you openly admit too liking FFX-2 Ben! Most of my friends would give me crap for admitting such a thing. I actually really enjoyed it a lot myself! I just never told anyone I own and enjoyed the hell out of it. I thought the story was very good and the battle system different, but excellent.

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Arvis
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:23:40 AM

Never let anyone make you feel bad for liking one of the best games ever!

-Arvis

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:21:11 AM

I'm far too old to care about what anybody else thinks.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:46:50 AM

*pictures Ben leaving his home wearing camouflage sweatpants, sporting a "I love New York" t-shirt, a cape, with headphones on blasting FF7 tunes*


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Scarecrow
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:47:31 AM

Have a lot of respect for Ben. I also love FFX-2, and I'm no sissy, quite the opposite.

I don't get what's the whining about using a female cast which acts like................females.

*shrug* they probably wanna blow something up in COD/Gears of war.

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:00:42 PM

I was not bothered about the cast being female, but for being really immature. I had no problem with lightning as the main(ish) protagonist of XIII

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:00:42 PM

I was not bothered about the cast being female, but for being really immature. I had no problem with lightning as the main(ish) protagonist of XIII

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:01:15 PM

I may not care what other people think, Temjin, but I DO live in reality. ;)

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Underdog15
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 12:30:34 PM

I liked FFX-2 as well. But they did a disservice to some of the, at least originally, well constructed character developments. The "girliness" doesn't bother me unless it is untrue to their character. Vanille? Deserves to be "girly" like the girls in FFX-2. Lightning? Would NOT match.

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 8:40:22 AM
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I hope there is not a Final Fantasy XIII-2, i loved FFXIII, one of my favourite games of this gen, but i want to see square move on to a new one. I want FFXV before the end of the PS3.

FF titles arent meant to have seuqels/prequels or spin offs. Part of the charms of FF is playing a well structured RPG, with familar traits, but having a completely different story and characters, its whats kept the series fresh through out all these years. While i did like Crisis Core i dont want them to dwell due much on each numeral. I also with FFXI and FFXIV were called FF online and FF online 2, just to keep the actual series consistant.

But if they did make an FFXIII-2, i'm rather positive i would buy it.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 9:03:56 AM
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That's fine. But Versus XIII first please.

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Mystearica
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:15:24 AM
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Hmmm... frankly speaking - I already forgot about Lightning... and near the ending of the game I was thinking - so what did the L'Cie want again??? Such impact <...<

Eitherway - I'd welcome a RPG anytime! So dun matter if it's FFXIII-2 or Lightning vs FXIII whatever... just let Versus XIII comes out first PLEASE!

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Lucifer_Light
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 4:46:11 PM
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Strawberry shotgun FTW! Seeing that I would totally turn gay for Lightning, I definitely would not mind playing her again. Have to say that my biggest regret of the game was not being able to see her L'Cie brand. Such a waste.

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bentl78
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:27:25 PM
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I like fang better than lighting~
but if xiii-2 is really in the works i am excited.
i loved x-2 even more then x haha :P

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bentl78
Wednesday, December 15, 2010 @ 10:28:37 PM
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OH.. but please dont bring vanille back...
i cant stand her.. "esp the US version".. for some reason.. the Japanese vanille is a bit more tolerable. lol

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Edito
Thursday, December 16, 2010 @ 5:55:04 AM
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I don't care about FF anymore, i don't care about Square Enix cause for me FF ended with the X i was playing XIII and at some point i just stoped playing cause it wasn't fun and the plot didn't copped me at all and for me storytelling is the X point of games...

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AnonymousPoster
Saturday, December 18, 2010 @ 8:01:28 AM
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Uhg.. but Lightning is the most boring and unlikeable character. Besides Hope. And besides Snow. And besides... wait a minute, all the characters sucked in FF13! We don't need more of them!!

Can't these guys get it through their heads that they made a product unworthy of the Final Fantasy name, and should just move on??

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MattS
Saturday, January 08, 2011 @ 1:31:26 PM
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I loved Lightning, she was an amazing heroine and I would love to see more of her to come. It wouldn't hurt Vanille to eat a hamburger, but she was also a very cool character to have in the party. I really hope they do come out with a XIII-2 however I hope they give us a little more freedom, and not keep us in the dark like SE does so much. It's quite annoying. XII was one of the most beautiful games I've ever played, I think they just need to make it better with the part 2.

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