Best Idea Yet: Japanese Devs Should Do What They Do Best
See Full ImageYou know, we get the feeling that if all Japanese developers had simply stuck to this simple motto, everything would've turned out just fine.
Much has been made about the East/West divide in the industry, and how many Japanese publishers have sought to appeal to Western gamers. But BlazBlue director Takeshi Yamanaka dismisses the whole mess and just says, "I only see gamers." Speaking to Edge, the Arc System Works boss spoke about the shifting industry trends and changing business models. When asked if his company would ever go in a direction that would appeal more to Westerners, Yamanaka replied:
"Absolutely not. If you want to make a game that appeals to the west, you might as well have westerners doing it.
Personally, I don’t view users according to their nationality, but rather as gamers. I make games for people who like them. If there are people who like fighting games with Japanese-animation-style motions and a fantasy setting, I’m making the game for them. I don’t understand why some of us in the industry want to draw a line between the Japanese and overseas industries. I see only gamers, with various tastes."
Why? Why couldn't Wada have said this years ago? 'cries' It's the perfect philosophy, isn't it? What has become of most Japanese efforts to cater to the Western gamer? Granted, the changing business landscape may force the hand of various developers and publishers, and we understand being intimidated and maybe hitting the panic button. I.e., "oh my God, if we don't create a shooter, we're gonna go bankrupt!"
But right now, Yamanaka's statement should be the new philosophy for the entire Japanese industry. Take the risk. Do what you've always done. Maybe it won't be so bad...could it be worse than suffering a 92% drop in profits ('cough' Square-Enix 'cough')?
Tags: arc system works, blazblue, gaming industry, video games
1/14/2011 10:40:20 AM Ben Dutka
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mastiffchild
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 6:15:09 PM
Christ, IF I can think it out why have so few Japanese industry figures.
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maxpontiac
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 10:55:28 AM
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Money.
Without it, you can't do anything.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:14:21 AM
Thankfully there are developers who put being true to themselves first. Developers like Sucker Punch, NIS, Gust, Quantic Dream, Arc System Works, and others.
And of course games like Heavy Rain and Littlebigplanet are very important because they prove that developers can take risks and stay true to themselves and still get rewarded for it. The entire industry should take note.
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maxpontiac
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:45:42 AM
In the end, the bottom line will always matter when it comes to keeping a business a float.
With the current state of the global economy, the very issue of money will become an even more important facet of the industry.
In regards to studio's staying true to themselves, I agree with the only exception of also having a pulse of the gaming community.
Unfortunately, main stream titles such as Call of Duty have begun to dictate everything, and it's near impossible to ignore the 10-15 million plus sold copies of each title. Every developer want's that, and it's easy to see why.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:13:59 PM
Money is no doubt a significant part of the industry. But it by no means rules the industry.
And it's a damn good thing too. Can you imagine the market being flooded with nothing but Call of Duty clones?
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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:25:22 PM
I wish that more business men and investors could think like this.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:37:20 PM
And it's probably best this way. Ambition doesn't always work out well. Case in point: the current state of Square-Enix.
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maxpontiac
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:57:40 PM
Gust, NIS, and Arc Systems never have put out anything that has appealed to me, so feel free to inform me on their sales and growth.
And yes, some companies are content with their current state, but as an owner of a company for the past 10 years, being content and not having in growth is a failed business model.
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totozero18
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:01:41 PM
The downside is this doesn't generate a games race.
By the way anybody heard of Final Fantasy Type-0???
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:21:31 PM
Sucker Punch going multiplatform? At this point in time that's nothing but rumor and speculation. And they have outright stated before that they don't really do multiplatform games because they love what they do and doing that would take a significant portion of the enjoyment out of it.
They could end up developing a game for the Xbox 360 or something but if they did it would likely be an Xbox 360 exclusive.
A failed business model eh?
Well, I guess we shall see.
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maxpontiac
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:36:10 PM
Yeah, you have to have some level of growth in your business. Not saying it has to be exponential, just an increase.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 2:04:24 PM
Well, if your talking about stuff like hiring more people and acquiring more work space and so forth, then I see nothing wrong with that.
On the other hand, when it comes to things like throwing away principles and identity for the sake of the pursuit of more money, then I do see something wrong with that. I do believe that's what is known as selling out. Or perhaps it could be thought of as capitalism taken too far so to speak. And this is pretty much the kind of thing I was referring to when I said grow.
But I guess there are different kinds of growth: good and bad.
And yes, I am well aware of Insomniac's intention to start a multiplatform project after they get done with Ratchet and Clank: All 4 One and Resistance 3. I have no problem with that. Insomniac has served Playstation fans loyally and competently for many years.
And it's important to note that even during the very hard early years of the PS3 they stood by Sony and the PS3 at a time when other developers were shifting support away from it (thanks a lot Ubisoft).
This upcoming multiplatform thing really seems to be simply more about a desire to try something new and spread their wings as they put it. Sony respects that, and so do I.
Insomniac is a most respectable company and I wish them the best with whatever they do. And of course it would also be nice if the PS3 could get some exclusive content for their multiplatform game.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 3:30:27 PM
Arc System Works is doing well. They very much understand the advantages of being multiplatform and have certainly fully embraced the concept. But as I think the article demonstrates they also know exactly who they are and what they do and they're proud of it. Very much to their credit.
Gust has also been doing very well. They are a company who sticks to Japanese platforms, mostly Sony, and it would seem they are exclusively Sony supporters when it comes to consoles. One of their latest releases, Atelier Rorona, has sold well both in Japan and the states and they are pleased with the numbers. Their latest release, Atelier Totori, is enjoying similar success and will likely eventually follow it's predecessor to the states to continue the success.
NIS on the other hand has recently taken a hit, likely as a result of the global recession. However I seriously doubt that this will continue. As I mentioned before Atelier Rorona has done well in the states and they are the ones who published it. Furthermore, they are also publishing two more promising titles in the west that both have a good shot at financial success, Ar Tonelico Qoga and Hyperdimension Neptunia. Furthermore and most importantly they are releasing Disgaea 4 in both Japan and the west this year. This title is virtually guaranteed to be a financial success. NIS is a very strong supporter of Sony and almost all of their developed and published titles have been on Sony platforms.
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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:35:36 PM
But man, Takeshi Yamanaka deserves a heck lot of kudos for saying those very words. Wada & co. ought to listen and should be ashamed of themselves!
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 10:58:59 AM
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Sogi_Otsa
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:07:01 AM
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Ar_tonelico
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:11:59 AM
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But on a related note, I hope Aksys brings over Arcana Heart 3.
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godsman
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:13:42 AM
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:28:59 AM
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Ar_tonelico
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:37:57 AM
We can still technically get Arcana Heart 3 but will just have to be marketed differently.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:07:47 PM
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Lotusflow3r
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:18:09 PM
I'm getting tired of grouping one another now. No, the Japanese industry is not trying to cater to West, it's a few select (albeit big ones) studios that are. There are countless studios STILL making traditional Japanese games today.
Oh no! Enix and Capcom aren't so that means the whole of Japans development studios are not....
The actual problem is the publishing side of the fence.....many don't make it over seas.
Also, i have stated many times, let Enix go if you have to complain about them everytime. Many others have replaced them so it ain't no biggie, and you know which company alone i replace them with, yup...Level 5. You know, the ones turning out ACTUAL Jrpgs that rival Square in their prime.....Ni No Kuni looks more promising than any Square Rpg i have seen since FF9....So why no talk of games like that? Project Dark...has it been mentioned here yet?
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godsman
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:12:03 AM
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I totally understand the need to appeal to "western" gamers because games are getting expensive to develop, but I think there are better solution than changing their style of gameplay. The better solution is just doing more advertising.
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Temjin001
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:15:27 AM
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Scarecrow
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:35:24 AM
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Ben, can you keep this article up in the front all year long?
Article of the year.
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Oxvial
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:40:10 AM
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AraykuBlu
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:42:22 AM
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Rogueagent01
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:53:35 AM
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This is why I am such a fan of the Yakuza series. They have never catered to the west just removed content that they thought we wouldn't like, and even that was a mistake which they learned from.
Ben please forward this article to every developer in Japan, I don't care if it takes you weeks do it lol.
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Rogueagent01
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:57:42 AM
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Fane1024
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 4:29:03 PM
If you can edit your post, you can usually also delete it. The delete button appears as a grey trash can to the right of the edit button (which also has the text "Edit", though the delete button doesn't have any text).
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:05:19 PM
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THEN go ahead and put a team on a western styled IP and test the market to see what you can make that they like then go ahead and produce Japanese and Western games to keep making money while staying with industry trends.
Do this instead of hacking up Japanese games and pissing off fans and critics alike.
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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:12:33 PM
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Thank you Takeshi Yamanaka, please do keep on doing what you do best and make games for your primary audience and let those who enjoy them in the west buy them as they are. All I ask is a minimal text based localization.
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kraygen
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:31:11 PM
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It's sad that at one point I would have bought a game I knew nothing about just because it said square on it, now I see it and start to feel sick to my stomach.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 2:08:14 PM
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A2K78
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 12:44:09 PM
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For companies like S-E though its a whole different ball game.
Japan is longer a console-friendly market and games are selling less and less(see GT5 which only managed to moved 500,000 copies in japan to date; a 60% drop over previous releases) compared to previous generations and as a consequence large japanese gamemakers have no choice but to move west and adopt western thinking.
With that mind don't blame S-E for the business choice they have made because in the end those decisions were thrust onto them by a changing japanese game market.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:41:43 PM
The notion that business strategies (and not necessarily good ones) were more important than creativity was forced upon them? Flat out lying to their consumers was something that was forced upon them?
I seriously doubt that. The people running Square-Enix got themselves into this mess. It will be interesting to see if they get themselves out of it, and if so how exactly this will be done.
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Alienange
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:12:15 PM
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Alright what are we talking about? A dev in Japan has figured out that gamers are gamers? That's good. Problem is, big game companies don't hire gamers to run them. They hire business men. Business men, in general, know that the money is in the States.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 1:45:33 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 2:16:59 PM
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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:04:26 PM
The European Union is a bigger market of consumers, and the prices for games, systems and accessories in Europe are penny for penny higher, so game companies make more money there. The worldwide market for games (excluding the US) is larger than the US market alone. This notion that the US market rules the roost is due for a bit of a shake up.
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Alienange
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:27:14 PM
TheHighlander, regardless of your wanting to bring in an entire continent against the States, the fact also remains that Japanese games sell just as cruddy over there as they do in the US. Could it be that Japanese devs think they'll satisfy both markets by Westernizing?
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shadowscorpio
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:48:40 PM
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Highlander
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 5:07:28 PM
The European Union is a single market space, economically, and largely speaking politically. It's not bringing a whole continent, it's bringing a coherent economic unit that has existed for decades now. The EU is closer to being a United States of Europe than most people would think. That's not to say it ever will be, but they have open borders, common tax policy, and completely unrestricted markets.
As for Japanese developers westernizing games to cater for the US and Europe, if nothing else, the buying pattern for games like Gran Turismo should be evidence enough that Europeans gamers in general are not the same as US gamers in general. The relative PS3 vs 360 numbers tell the same story.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 5:46:34 PM
Generalizations like that really should be avoided. Japanese games sell cruddy in Japan? Well then......
The Gran Turismo games, the Final Fantasy games, the Atelier games, the Tales games, the Dragonball games, the Naruto games, the Persona games, the Yakuza games, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and who knows what else.
I guess all of that stuff was just a fluke or something then.
And most Japanese developers aren't interested in specifically catering to the west. SE is in a small minority. Why do you think there are so many unimported Japanese PSP games?
If Japanese games sold cruddy in Japan then there most likely wouldn't even be a Japanese video game industry.
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Looking Glass
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 6:08:08 PM
When I said "They've been trying to do that for years now and it's done them no big favors, if any at all" I was referring specifically to Square-Enix, and not the Japanese video game industry in general.
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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:37:44 PM
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shadowscorpio
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 1:47:44 PM
Have tried defeating Orphan in the post game? I swear it feels like he/she is more difficult.
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Alienange
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 8:05:24 PM
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Looking Glass
Sunday, January 16, 2011 @ 12:53:03 AM
It's still as I said. Such generalizations should be avoided. To say that Japanese games "sell cruddy" in the United States is extremely inaccurate to say the least. Few things could be farther from the truth.
There are the Metal Gear Solid games, the Grand Turismo Games, the Final Fantasy Games, the Tales games, the Metroid games, the Super Smash Bros games, the Resident Evil games, the Pokemon games, the Professor Layton games, the Mario games, plus many more.
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shadowscorpio
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 4:49:40 PM
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Sanity is returning to us!
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Lawless SXE
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 5:19:58 PM
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Of course, every region has its dominant sellers, such as racers and sports in Europe, shooters in America and RPGs in Japan (a generalisation, not necessarily stating fact here). So, if you want to cater to a certain area you use those genres, but that isn't to say that Europeans don't like shooters, or Americans don't like RPGs. Individuality at its finest. The mob mentality must take a back seat.
Peace.
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Kellhus
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 9:21:37 PM
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b3mike
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:05:24 PM
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BigBoss4ever
Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 11:16:23 PM
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People who stick to their own turf shall always do well, ie. Kojima and Ueda for their MGS and ICO series respectively.
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Kevin555
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 12:39:35 AM
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FM23
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 2:34:26 AM
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___________
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 2:48:17 AM
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hint hint $E....................
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DrRockso87
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 9:55:00 AM
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How about instead of "appealing to the West", Japanese developers just think of ways to improve their games taking ideas *from* the West? Look at 'Dragon Quest IX'. That game is phenomenal. What's interesting is how diverse it is. Character creation and customization, multiplayer, no random encounters, (mostly qualities you would find it WRPGs) and YET it's turn-based. TURN-BASED. Turn-based, an "outdated system" is receiving better fan reaction in the West than 10 million other "hack-and-slash" games Japanese developers pump out (with the exception of 'Kingdom Hearts') because Dragon Quest IX is... good!
Even developers Fumito Ueda, Hideo Kojima, and Keiji Inafune admit that the idea of "appealing" to the West is nonsense. Just make good games and people will buy them. That's all. If the game receives poor reviews then it was probably because it was a bad game, not because "people are looking at it from a Western point of view" which is a VERY elitist statement by the way.
I wish developers would take note of this. Maybe Level-5 can work on a 'Final Fantasy' game someday like they do with Dragon Quest and show that there's no need to appeal to anyone specifically. Just make a good game and it'll sell.
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b3mike
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 1:41:37 PM
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Looking Glass
Saturday, January 15, 2011 @ 7:31:54 PM
Well, with regard to reviewers, I dare say that I have occasionally encountered a review that I would call biased, bigoted, and ignorant. Particularly towards Japanese culture and/or popular culture. This is one of the reasons why I would suggest that people always be wary of relying too heavily on reviews. I think it's safe to say that whether something is bad or not largely, if not totally, depends on the consumer.
Even so, to conclude that trying to appeal to the west is the answer to a some bad (and possibly biased, bigoted, and ignorant) feedback that you just happen to get from the west, especially when you are also getting at least some negative feedback from Japan, is to put very bluntly just plain dumb.
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coverton341
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Friday, January 14, 2011 @ 10:52:05 AM