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Old Games Are Only For The Old

As much as the gaming veterans don't want to admit it, it has become plain that classics are only for those who played the classics when they first arrived.

Given the huge advancements in the interactive entertainment realm, it certainly seems silly to compare Super Mario Bros. to Uncharted 2: Among Thieves and indeed, it is. Logic and reasoning says we really can't compare those products; it's like comparing a Model T to a Bugatti. And no matter how special that ol' '55 Chevy may seem to a car collector, or to someone who was actually alive when such vehicles roamed the roads, there is no comparison in terms of performance, comfort and just about any other element. I suppose one could like the design of one over the other, but even that doesn't quite fly in the world of old vs. new video games. We can all appreciate how amazing SMB was at the time but of course, it doesn't have better graphics than Uncharted 2. Different universes.

The point is, it seems more and more obvious that if one wasn't around for the early days, they will never appreciate the early days. They will continue to mock those who give the golden age any credit whatsoever, and will wonder how any of us can go back and play something like Final Fantasy VII. It looks archaic, it has archaic gameplay mechanics, and oh dear lord, there aren't even any voices! The further back you go, the less appeal those classic titles have for anybody under the age of 20. Two things are chiefly to blame: first, nostalgia, which is often the bane of objectivity, and second, the aforementioned industry advancements. We've gone so far in such a short span of time, 30-year-olds have very different gaming experiences close to their hearts, when directly compared to 20-year-olds.

I will say this, though. It seems the purity and simplicity of the classics in question will never be replicated, nostalgia or no. It's why so many of those games can be replayed by just about anyone at any time, and they will enjoy themselves. Tetris is only one example. And I question if the new generation will create games the young'uns will want to go back and play in 10 years time. Thing is, I'm not sure I see any huge gameplay innovations on the horizon, and if the only difference between now and 10 years from now is visual, why bother with the inferior visuals? See, I don't go back to play old FFs or other games for the graphics (obviously); I do it because they boast gameplay we simply don't have, anymore.

So what do you think about all this?

Tags: video games, gaming industry, old games, classic games

1/17/2011 12:12:04 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (132 posts)

Oxvial
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:30:32 PM
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My 10 yo bro still appreciate the Mario Nes and Snes games on his Wii, he also wants to have the N64 Zelda's on it...but again when he hits puberty perhaps he gonna turn into a FPS drone trying to prove his maturity with violent games lol.

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archs13
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:01:09 PM

that's awesome, my 8 year old brother's different.. i tried to get him to play the final fantasy games on psx but he didn't want to because it looks 'old'

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SubjectiveTruth
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:46:57 PM

Awesome pic.

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Beamboom
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:38:53 PM
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... Could the same apply to old-fashioned, turn-based rpgs? ;)

/ducks

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Underdog15
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:44:45 PM

uh yup. I think that's kinda the point of the article. lol Hense the 2 different lines referencing the FF franchise. ^.^

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:46:52 PM

Pretty sure he didn't read it.

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Beamboom
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:02:51 PM

Oh I read it, but I was referring to the often requested (or lack of) *new* titles that would have old-school turn based fights, not the old classics itself.

Though I see now how I could be misunderstood. Oh well, it was just meant as a friendly leg-pulling anyways. Nothing serious. :)

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cLoudou
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:58:18 PM

I'll take those rpgs over current ones anyday.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:40:29 PM

These new games don't deserve to be called rpg's. The old school turn base will always be the cream of the crop.

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Underdog15
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:40:28 PM
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"I do it because they boast gameplay we simply don't have, anymore."

This quote pretty much sums the entire thing up. And it's a concept many younger folks might not be able to fully grasp yet, either.

We can all scream and holler til' the cows come home trying to prove which era had the best gameplay. Some hated FFXIII, for example, while many loved it. Perhaps nostalgia plays such a large role, that we can't accurately or fairly criticise such games. Not really, anyways.

But one thing is definitely true... whether it's for the best or for the worse is irrelevant... And that is this:

The reason we go back to the classics so often is because that style of gameplay we fell in love with simply does not exist anymore.

I don't care if anyone thinks it's a good or a bad thing. It's just the way it is.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:42:09 PM

Nostalgia has nothing to do with bad game design... My opinion anyway

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Underdog15
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:46:36 PM

lol yeah, I tend to agree with you on that one. I just wanted to make a point while avoiding anything that could be debated, such as whether or not FFXIII was a good design. I didn't like the battle mechanic either, but some people swear by it. I wanted to make my point while avoiding that debate. lol

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:28:42 PM

Three words;

Demographic market segmentation.

Different demographic groups will prefer different things, this is a fundamental truth in marketing, and video games are *no* different.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:41:04 PM
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Sucks to be them then doesn't it.

Majority of games that are released right now lack maturity,, uniqueness and and design. Sometimes even good taste. I really haven't experienced this so called mocking of retro classics but then I hang out and converse with people above the age of 20.

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Underdog15
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:48:30 PM

I volunteer with youth and I work with youth. In video game talks, I often get asked things like, "I know FFVII is supposed to be great and all, but how can you stand those graphics? There isn't even any voice acting! That's way too much reading."

At least that's a common theme... >.<

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StangMan80
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:11:47 PM

Graphics are not important, yes there nice but after playing U2 and MGS4 I went back and played Crash bandicoot and spyro and I had a blast, the 'horrible' graphics did not bother me at all, People who say that kind of stuff don't realize that FFVII was the U2 of the time(graphics wise)

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:25:28 PM

I agree with you, but at the same time it can be positively painful to go back and watch some of the early silent comedies that literally had people rolling in the aisles in their day, but now just look like a museum curiosity. We have to recognize that higher and higher production values have spoiled current gamers to the point where a game like FFVII just doesn't work because of the lack of voice acting and relatively primitive graphics. They can't look past that, it's to great a cultural barrier for them to overcome.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:01:56 PM

Yeah, and when they complain about "reading" in a game like FFVII, I wonder what they might have thought about something like Vandal Hearts II...

Still one of the best written games ever, by the way.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:47:00 PM

Every kid this generation has "ADHD", so they hate to read causing them to think reading on games is crap.

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totozero18
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:54:22 PM

@Underdog: Man you must have the biggest patience, if a kid ever tells me that I'd slap it in the mouth so it shuts up.

The only thing I hope is to some how get my children to play good old FF-VII.
I'll be like "finish it or you won't go to college!!!"

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PasteNuggs
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 8:01:13 PM

I'm waiting for reading to go to the wayside. All the time with my son I hear "I didn't know this so I looked it up on youtube". Instead of at least finding a text on the internet it has to be a video otherwise it won't hold his attention. It saddens me to think of what the world is will be like after our generations are gone.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 11:09:10 PM

@nuggs

It's only a matter of time before paper pages and ink print become an anachronism in an age of electronic readers and the ever present overmind of the Eye of Moron....er...I mean Internet.

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Nynja
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:49:30 PM
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Interesting that you post this story only days after I started playing the old NES game "Dragon Warrior" again. Gotta love nesoid on Android phones! :)

Man, talk about feeling old.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 12:58:54 PM
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It's more than gameplay design and all that though. I think it ultimately comes down to dated appeal. The games of yesteryear were shorter, harder and focussed towards an audience that had the patience to deal with it. It's why back then almost every core gamer was a complete nerd (generalisation, not a fact). They had the time and patience to learn each and every little trick, jump and shot that was required to complete the game.

Now, the story factors in, the games are easier, the graphics are better, they're more in your face to appeal to the adrenaline junkie youth. I don't believe it. I think that some people are receptive to these older games, regardless of their age. They want to experience the simplicity and joy of ages past, and the burgeoning time in their chosen hobby is as good a place as any.
Peace.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:51:54 PM

I think we developed the patience to deal with it, simply because you only had a few decent games to choose from... like ever. There were like 50 bad games for every good one. So we played the few our parents could afford.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:02:20 PM
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I'm 15 & I can still see how amazing MGS1 was/is. Funny, when it released I DESPISED it, I could never get past the first part. I think once you get past a certain age (11-12) your attention span really starts to widen, maybe its how I was brought up but I could play through MGS4 at that age without ever so much as thinking of skipping the cutscenes (hell even the last (last) one I thought coulda been a bit longer!)

Now I can even read big books, books that are 1000 pages big & I feel tottaly engrossed (though only stephen king books..any other book I can never get into..probably his style of writing).

Though...I'll never know why you guys ever liked final fantasy..maybe it's just not my thing but even things that aren't I can usually see the reason behind people liking it, but not this time :P
But by far & large this generation is the best yet, excluding the obvious fact that it would be...if ya..know what I mean. :D

By the way Ben, wheres those PSHome/Gaming nights you (sorta) promised us! >:o

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:58:40 PM

You may have to just trust the majority on Final Fantasy, it is one of the biggest video game phenomenons in history for a reason.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:02:58 PM

Guess that's my only option..

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:17:21 PM

I'm a little confused. You say you're 15 and when MGS first released, you despised it.

...weren't you like, 3?

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StangMan80
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:03:44 PM
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So, That means Nintendo will be screwed once all these "veterans" die off.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:27:04 PM

I'm kinda surprised they aren't already dead. Most 'mature' gamers I know have a PS3. I think that the Wii and Nintendo in general is the thing that comes to mind first for parents looking to buy a game console for their kids. It's not necessarily the first thing that comes to their kids mind, but remember it's parents that buy them, so that older, more conservative, perspective comes into play - especially if the parents were not gamers themselves.

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PorkChopGamer
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:19:27 PM

Yup. I'm normally surprised as well when a company makes great games on a regular basis stays in business. Shocking... Seriously though, as long as they make great games, super advanced or not, Nintendo will be in this business. The day this industry has no place for them is the day I take my leave as well.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:15:49 PM

PorkChop: Oh yes. An abysmally mediocre average Metacritic score for the whole of the Wii library certainly indicates "great games on a regular basis."

Rather, the standard for Nintendo has been since the late N64 days- one great game a year, layered with a ton of shovelware. So apparently, all a business needs to do to make money is lure everyone with a gimmick, produce the first piece of hardware in the history of the industry that doesn't NEED good software to sell (due to said gimmick), hang on for a bunch of years while the rest of the competition catches up, and then...whatever.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:56:18 PM

Nintendo has pulled the wool over the publics eyes with the wii. If the had made a more powerful console and had price tag like ps3 and 360, nintendo would be dead in the water. They'd be living off of the DS.

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PorkChopGamer
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:19:19 PM

You're completely right, Ben. The Wii's library is less than stellar. But Nintendo has supported it with good games and they've supported their handheld with a steady stream of great games. You seem to despise that Nintendo 'stole' this generation from the competition. In my opinion, the Wii may be the best thing that happened to the industry. Not the motion gaming aspect, but it proves that console makers don't have to rush for newer and more complicated tech every five years. This will allow devs to develop games at cheaper costs and, in turn, producing companies will take a chance on more unique titles and not try to tap into the casual gamer vein to recoup their money. This is why we see the most unique games on handhelds, it's cheaper to make. Most gens, the greatest games come late after the devs have a grasp of the hardware. Look at this fifth year of the PS3. Amazing. I'd rather have another five years of this system firing on all cylinders from this point, then just having another restart with pretty graphics.

And ,on a side note, if your Wii is collecting dust because you didn't buy into SMG2 hype, go pick up Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins Of The Moon. True, there may not be a plethora, but it's games like this that make the Wii worth owning.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:26:51 PM

I'm all for maintaining tradition and providing gamers with what they enjoy. I also give mad props to Nintendo for doing what they did this generation. I and most every analyst and journalist on the planet pronounced Nintendo dead (on the hardware side of things) entering this generation, and they surprised everyone by delivering a product that hit huge. They proved us all wrong and I freely admit that.

But I will also add they did so by actually catering to the NON-gamers. Most of the hardcore didn't see much but the GameCube with motion sensing. However, as clearly seen in the advertisements for the Wii, Nintendo decided to hit everyone ELSE. Girls, senior citizens, those with families who normally don't have a lot of time, etc. It was ingenious. At the same time, I really don't consider those to be "games" as we know them; the titles are so far separated from the cutting edge games on other platforms, I'm more inclined to call the Wii a gadget rather than a legitimate competitor in the console market.

Sony and Microsoft see it the same way, in that they've never said they were in competition with Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are going for a very different audience/demographic, and Nintendo freely admits that. It was the only way Nintendo could survive, really. But in the end, software is what matters. And that's why, despite my absolute respect for Nintendo as a company, I sort of resent the fact that they can succeed without that software.

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PorkChopGamer
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:47:21 PM

Wait. Not games? That's the craziest thing I've ever read, Ben. No offense. The only thing that has changed from this gen and the last are graphics and physics. Are they really that important? There aren't a bunch of new genres being created this gen. By that logic, the simple but beautiful gameplay of Shadow of the Colossus cannot be considered a game becase it had hardly any dialogue and a straight forward story without alot of characterization. Are we really dismissing games like that for Hollywood-type visuals and cutscenes? Does that truly constitute a 'game'?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:00:50 PM

What?

Who said anything about new genres? I don't think I get what you're saying.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:22:54 PM
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Hmm...

I do agree that to a greater extent that I would like to admit, old games really are only appreciated by the older gamer who remembers them when they were new. But, this subject is far broader than that for me.

This kind of goes along with what I have been saying for a while now about the segmentation of the video games market. Older gamers do not like the same games as younger gamers. Yes, there are exceptions, and hardcore gamers tend to worry less about this kind of thing because a really hardcore gamers is looking for the gameplay more so than the visual.

However, If you go back to those 8-bit games, you realize just how incredibly primitive they look and sound. Blocky sprite driven graphics and synthesized sound that runs the gamut of the frequency spectrum just to be heard. Things have come a long way to be sure.

I do think that younger gamers are less tolerant of the shortcomings of these older games. that's not surprising, they are used to far higher production values. I mean you really can't compare Gran Turismo 5 against a racing game running on an 8-bit processor with a 2MHz clock in less than 20KB or RAM. In terms of production value, it's not even a comparison. One cost tens of millions to make took years and a whole team of artists, designers and programmers. The other was programmed by a couple of guys in a few months.

But, that old 8-bit racing game had the core gameplay down pat. I mean seriously, on the courses it included (all 5) the physics, track layout, rise and fall, and all the rest were spot on, and lap times were in line with what was really achievable. So the gameplay was there, even in that primitive game.

The same is true when you look at most game genre. But, some genre have undergone changes that others have not. Platform games have evolved, but still involve learning patterns, timing jumps, collecting things, and beating the bad guys. The core elements remain. Third person shooters are far more sophisticated now than back in the days of Commando but at the heart you are still watching your guy run around the screen shooting things. Operation Wolf may have been an 'on the rails' first person shooter, but a first person shooter it was. Things have come a long way, but still the core mechanics are the same.

Multi-player has added a whole new dimension to many of these games, but the core mechanics remain remarkably intact. But those production values are what have changed, hugely.

One genre that to me has changed considerably in the last 10 years is the RPG. We've discussed RPGs here so many times, but the fact of the matter is that the core game play *has* changed. Production values have gone up, but games like FFXIII are not remotely the same as games like FFVII. The game play is very, very different. If you remade FFVII today with modern production values, would that old game play survive the transition? If it did, would it really work for the current core market of gamers? Or would it be something that only nostalgia drenched older gamers would like?

See, that is one of the questions that market segmentation raises. I used FFVII as the example, but it's true of any game that favors older game play style. but, if the industry asks whether that game would work for younger gamers. May I ask why they do not equally wonder whether the new game play in FFXIII would work for the older gamers?

I have no problem recognizing that gamers over 30 like different things than gamers under 30. I have no problem segmenting the entire gaming market into age groups such as 10 and under, 11-16, 17-30, 30-45, 46+ - or whatever banding you wish to apply. I believe that is a very valid way to view the video game market. you could cut it up using genre and casual gaming vs non-casual gaming. I'm sure that gender has a big impact as well.

When you say old games are for the old, that is true - to a large extent. So does that mean that such games are irrelevant to the *whole* market, or that they are relevant only to specific market groups? Isn't that true of every game genre and type?

If we recognize that old games are not liked by younger gamers for various reasons. Should we not recognize that equally, new games may not be well liked by the older gamers because they abandon certain kinds of game play or aesthetic that they like?

Which brings me back to what I always say. Isn't it time for the industry which has grown so large to start looking at it's market as a group of overlapping market segments instead of a single homogeneous market? Can we start making games for older players, and games for younger players and accept that some gamers in either segment may enjoy both, but the majority do not? There's a lot of money to be made, if the right games are made for the right people.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:55:12 PM

Hmm..

That was one long ass post. LOL.

I think that its just a matter of transition; That style of games were the rage back then, COD is the rage now. I'd even say each generation had a different style of game dominated: PS1 - RPG's, PS2 platformers & PS3 FPS. Gamers tastes just change. Sure age might have become a factor, but still I don't think it would have changed the way games are today.

It's like, in 20 years time when were on PS6, we will see the PS3 as we see the PS1 era now. We'll be like "Argh...what happend to them good ole' FPS's!? Those were the good days..." XD

(BTW sorry if I don't make such long winded, sophisticated post's such as yourself lol)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:12:48 PM

Highlander: And after reading that, it leads me to the biggest question:

If it is true there are a lot of older, hardcore gamers out there, and it's true that we are a separate group - a separate, LARGE group - then why does it seem as if developers believe we don't exist? Or, that we do exist, but we're not big enough to matter, and only a certain demographic exists?

We often lament the loss of gameplay styles we loved but what I don't understand is why some game makers don't get this. It almost seems as if they think that anybody over the age of 30 either doesn't play games anymore, or has adapted their tastes to that of the younger demographics. If they didn't think that, multiple major franchises wouldn't have changed the way they have...

At least, that's how I see it.

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DemonNeno
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:38:00 PM

It's true. I'm probably an exception to some of what is said and thought because, at 28, I've played every US console released in the past... I fell off the console boat when the ps 1 and n64 became mainstream because I hated the gameplay of Mario and didn't like the idea of an ps1 because.. It was out of my budget.

What I didn't like about games in the first "3d" generation was the controls and the layout took more work than fun to get the groove of it all. Fast forward about, what, 15 years and I'm still facing similar problems. My analog abilities are generally for crap and things are generally rushed on to me. I feel every second of a games learning curve, but at this point, d pads don't really help so I'm stuck in the middle.

M 64 was the beginning of the end of performers, to me. Pesky camera angles intruding on mt directional controls, annoying glitches in sensitivity when leaping and immediately stopping your character. The way it became was not fun. Repeating the same 8 jumps for an hour or more because everything spins and alters your directional inputs just pissed me off.

What bothers me the most is non turned based rpgs, for sure. It's not very strategic to just go in guns blazing, to me. It's not as well played when you can't soak in your next move, hoping to make it a quick kill with your well equipped crew. It's not as captivating when you feel dissected from practically all your characters...

Today, you feel like an narrator whereas yesteryear you felt like the legacy that was narrated.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:32:08 PM

Ben,

I think that the industry is focused on the core group of gamers who's ages range between about 16 and 30. I think that the industry has a blind spot when it comes to older gamers. It wants to acknowledge older gamers because they lend an air of adulthood to the games industry. But I think that the gamin industry focuses on the core demographic of male gamers between 16 and 30. Of course they have to also cater to younger gamers because in a few years they will be core demographic gamers and therefore they need to hook them in now. But once you are in that core demographic and get older, you leave their focus. Gaming wants to maintain a young image to continue to attract new consumers, so older gamers are not so welcome. their dollars are, but the industry would rather not pay too much attention to them, except when it's convenient to do so.

I think you are 100% correct when you wonder whether they think that older gamers will simply adapt to the newer games or move on to something else. I think that's exactly what the industry believes. the thing is, if the industry doesn't cater to older gamers, what choice to do they have but to adapt, or find something else to do?

I don't understand it either. Gamers who were in this core group when FFVII launched are now getting older and moving into that 'older gamer' category that the industry doesn't care to pay attention to. We have money, lots of money. I can afford many more games than my younger counterparts. So, why not pay attention to me as a consumer?

The thing is, I agree with you that the industry has made an assumption about older gamers, which is why certain franchises have changed. But I think that the industry's assumption is very wrong. People who grew up with books, continue reading books. People who grew up with radio and cinema, continue to use the Radio and cinema (or did until the movie industry did to them what the gaming industry is currently doing to older gamers). Many of us 'older' gamers have grown up with video games, it's a primary hobby for us, we wouldn't know what to do with out spare time if it weren't for a game console and controller. Even though I'm years past 40, I still game regularly, and will likely continue to do so, as long as there are games for me.

But, if the industry consistently fails to serve me as a consumer, what do I do about it? I can lament the turn of events here on the intenet, I can tweet about it, or email game companies, but nothing changes.

I imagine that for those used to the golden age of cinema and radio, the advent of modern TV and contemporary movies is quite a shocking and unwelcome change. Your average romantic comedy now has more f-bombs than just about anything short of a conversation on XBL. Drama is no longer about story and character so much as it is the action and inherent drama of whatever crisis is the basis of the dramatic story. What passes for 'drama' today in a movie was once called 'action'. So, the movie industry ceased to cater for older consumers. I'm certain those consumers felt displaced and complained bitterly, but in the end, no one listened or cared.

Sadly, I think that the gaming industry will not change, and us aging dinosaurs of gaming will either have to adapt or find something else to do. Complaining about it doesn't appear to work.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:57:04 PM

Highlander: In all respects, I think it's a matter of increased speed. Everything has to be faster and more in your face. You mentioned romantic comedies and one of my favorites is "When Harry Met Sally." But you couldn't even make that movie today; it wouldn't hold the average person's attention. They don't switch the camera view every five seconds, and there's actual writing and dialogue, and nothing in the way of titillating crap for the masses.

I'm afraid we're headed in a similar direction with games as time goes on and the industry becomes more mainstream. And to me, it almost seems as if developers have grabbed this concept of "mainstreaming" and just ran with it. Still, as you say, I don't understand why older gamers aren't part of that mainstream and furthermore, why game publishers haven't latched onto the fact that WE'RE the ones with the money. Well, at least in relation to the 16-25 demographic.

There was a time when that was the single biggest obstacle: when games really were for kids, the game producers had the same problem any maker of an expensive toy had. Which is to say, they needed to sell it to the PARENTS, not the kid. The kid doesn't have the money. Now, WE'RE the parents in this scenario and they don't seem to notice. Nor do they seem to notice that we still play games.

It's all a little disheartening.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:10:32 PM

Ben,

Agreed 100%. You're completely right about the increased speed. Everything is quick cuts and short lines of dialog.

It is disheartening, and I am disheartened. But I was playing White Knight Chronicles last night, and it still rocks, no matter what.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:57:21 PM

I missed out on WKC; will have to play WKC2.

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kraygen
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:27:53 PM

Ben,

With all your love for rpgs and you missed WKC?
WHAT?!?!

It's combat is similar to ff12 and they story is amazing. Best rpg on the ps3. Go buy WKC now, yes it will be bundled with WKC 2, but it's worth the purchase now and when WKC 2 comes out.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 8:30:32 PM

A friend has it and I watched a little, so I know what the deal is. I forget why I didn't play it at the time; I think I was swamped with reviews or something.

But I do plan on getting WKC2.

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Nick42
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:31:01 PM
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I'm 21 and I live with a group of 20 year olds.

In our house we have:

Atari 2600 (With adventure, pacman, pong (we even have the rotational controllers for pong!)
NES (SMB + others)
SNES (Super Star Wars, tetris attacks etc)
N64 (Mariokart 64, Goldeneye, SW Ep 1 Podracer, SW Rogue squadron)
PS1 (All crash bandicoots, a good proportion of the FFs etc)

and you know what... as great as the games of today are... after the exams we have at the moment the best way to recover is still playing Pitfall on the Atari 2600

*bloop* *bleep* *bloop* *tarzan noise*

My housemate and I also recently sat down and did another 100% completion run of crash bandicoot 1. Hours well spent.


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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:49:48 PM

Atari 2600, the best game on that platform is...

Haunted House!

It's one of the the most minimalist games ever, and yet it...just...plain...works.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:08:33 PM

Interesting. But you are in the vast minority, as I'm sure you know. :)

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PS3addict
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:33:17 PM
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My son, who is 8 loves the original Super mario Brothers. He also loves:
Contra
Zelda
Metroid
and many others from my childhood days.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:02:19 PM

That must be kinda cool, see your kid playing the games you loved. Young kids can probably appreciate those games better than anyone.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:07:51 PM

He also lives in an environment where one of his parents tells his impressionable young mind how cool and great those games are. ;)

Try convincing an 18-year-old of the same thing...

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PasteNuggs
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 8:16:03 PM

My son is 10 and I can't get him away from COD. An example to go along with the article. We were watching That 70's Show and they were playing a Space Invaders arcade machine and my son says
"That is dumbest thing I have ever seen"
I reply, "Why?"
His response, "It so boring, all you do is hit a button and move a stick, and it looks horrible."
I went on to tell him that he would not have his precious little COD without games like Space Invaders and Pong, and that without the innovative minds and pioneers of games we would all be up sh*t creek without a paddle.

BTW: It hasn't done any good. I forsee myself always trying to convince him of what he's missing out on because he won't stop playing COD, because "It has guns and helicopters and explosions."

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NoOneSpecial
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:46:29 PM
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You're absolutely right. For me though, it depends on how you are raised. My 10 year old brother and I own a PS3, PSP, Gameboy, Original XBox, Dsi, Wii, and N64, which we have collected over the years. We enjoy playing XBox all the time and he loves playing Super Mario Bros. on the gameboy.

Newer kids who never had siblings who played the early systems think that the classics are old, but those who had older siblings have an appreciation of the "golden oldies." It basically depends on where you come from.

I also agree with your last paragraph. The industry should make games geared towards a specifc crowd, and I believe they have started making small steps. That step was Heavy Rain. It was an intelligent thriller aimed specifically towards the older crowd.

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NoOneSpecial
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:09:13 PM

Whoops, this was meant to be a reply to The Highlander's really long post.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:34:16 PM

Thank you for that, Heavy Rain is a great example of a more mature and sophisticated view by the gaming industry. But, it was still seen as a risky experiment because no one knew whether a more mature game like that would actually sell.

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Alienange
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:51:54 PM
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I am positive that if I exposed my children to the original Mario, that they'd love it and want to play it. Thing is, as one of those "old" gamers, I don't WANT to play those old games anymore. They're not "fun" for me now that I've experienced the latest innovations. So the kids will grow up never really knowing what those first beginnings were all about. So what? As long as they're gamers, I'll be happy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:03:21 PM

Perhaps "Video Game History" will be a class at their college.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:55:15 PM
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Well, if the graphics of the gamer were EVER top of the line, or the gameplay for that matter, then you don't think its too bad. But if you only got into gaming on the PS2, going way back to play 8,16, or 32 bit games just kinda blows.

Some kids appreciate the classics, but in general it has to be the biggest and the baddest and I understand that. I would probably be a CoD slave if I were 15 now, but I ain't.

I mean would you enjoy going back to playing paddleball and cup-and-ball game?

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Ludicrous_Liam
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:59:03 PM

Hell yeah!

For about 5 seconds. lol

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 1:59:22 PM
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My dad will be super glad if had his old '55 Chevy still. The NES days where the sh!t for me, so many damn great memories. I think I'm going to cry.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:04:36 PM

sleepovers man, it's all about setting that goal of which impossible game friends would play all night until it was beat.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:00:00 PM

yah sleepovers was nice. Didn't need that much help back then. But I can say may dad was totally impressed when I rescued the princess.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:09:26 PM
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What is interesting though, is that there is a whole new market there. Namely, old school gamers. Catering to specific old school groups can be lucrative. FROM Software knows what's up, they gave us 3D Dot Game Heroes, a Zelda clone that is totally old school, lots of fun, simple, and it sold better than they thought.

An FFVII remake would be bought by any gamer who loved it and still games, PLUS the younger gamers who can see what we oldsters won't stop talking about in their flashy graphics.

With most PS3 owners being adults, it bears thinking about specifically targeting old school gamers with products.

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Fabi
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:55:37 PM
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What do you guys think about this?...

My feeling is that games like Uncharted, Killzone, Little Big Planet and all the AAA titles of this generation with be playable FOREVER, or until VR exists. Of course, people will choose to play the newer games, but the further we get in the graphics department, the easier it will be for people to pick up games even years after their release.

I don't think the same rules apply to games anymore. I can see why kids wouldn't want to play a NES game, the graphics were just too FAR from resembling reality. But now games are really close to looking like real life, and the graphics allow for gameplay that mimics real life. No matter what you did, you couldn't make a FPS back in the NES to play like real life. Better graphics allow better gameplay, but of course you don't NEED graphics to have good gameplay.

But you just can't experience a lot of things without the level of graphics we have nowadays. Uncharted wasn't possible last generation. I'm sure it coulda been made, but it wouldn't have been as stunning and as great. The graphics just enhance the game so much and are very important in the whole feeling of the game. Just like that level where you don't do anything but walk around in the beautiful town, the graphics themselves are almost the gameplay in that level.

Even the games of the last generation still had a lot to catch up to real life graphics. I'm sure the next generation of consoles is gonna be superior graphically, but I don't see them being such a big leap. I think the big 3 are gonna focus more on digital content, controls and online more than graphics.

Hell, AAA games are already taking FOREVER to be made, I'm fine with games looking the way they do now for at least 3-4 more years.

I rambled way too much, but to sum things up, I feel that in the same way that Avatar will forever look amazing, because they already made everything in that movie look absolutely real, the same will apply to games soon, if it hasn't happened already.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:05:58 PM

I understand what you're saying, but other than nostalgia, I can't see a reason for someone to play the original Uncharted when they've got Uncharted 5 sitting there in the PS4.

If it's only a graphical difference, I don't see the motivation to go back and play the inferior games. Where's the motivation to do that if, as you say, we get more out of more realistic visuals?

Besides, I think you're just making the mistake all of us made dozens of times before. When we first saw SMB after the Atari and Colevision, everyone was like, "OMG, it can't get better than this." They said similar things with every new generation of technology. And you're saying it now, without knowing what games might actually be like in a decade or two.

For me, I have difficulty envisioning a time when I'd want to go back and play Killzone 2 after having played Killzone 4. And I think that's the long and short of it.

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Fabi
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:05:32 PM

I meant more like kids who never played Uncharted could pick it up and still be impressed.

I think that comparison about people who saw SMB after Atari doesn't apply, because you can clearly see that it could get better, because the characters were FAR from being realistic. I understand that those people never imagined something like Uncharted.

But how much more can you add to lets say a premium car in GT5.

It already looks like it's real life counterpart. You can't get more real than real. They can definitely work on the backgrounds, but the cars just can't get that much better looking, unless you add 3D.

Just like how special effects are pretty much giving us what a real alien spaceship would look like if it really existed, what more can you do?

I know there is still space in video games to grow graphically, but not that much. At least not in the same way they used to in leaps and bounds from generation to generation.

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Senergized
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 2:57:00 PM
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You just can't beat the CLASSICS

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Fabi
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:08:05 PM

Yes you can.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:16:42 PM
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Remember how friggin sweet it was when fighting games first became 3D. Hell they even bragged on the box about being a "Polygon fighter" or some such. Cuz they looked amazingly lifelike in the movements and 3D space, but to look at them compared to something like Soul Calibur IV make the polygon games useless.

This is where I totally understand Ben, I still have the first Soul Calibur on my Dreamcast, but why play something so limited when I have the newest one on PS3? And if I do go back and play those old games, it's really just to see how things were. To kind of remind myself of the old days, and after a few minutes it goes back on the honor shelf where it belongs. I still play the PS1 and PS2 final fantasies, but you know I can't really be bothered to play through an entire game of the first FF, it just isn't compelling anymore.

Cloud to Sephiroth: "Stay where you belong, in my memories" ;)

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:50:26 PM

Exactly. To stick to Soul Calibur for a moment, Soul Calibur 2, 3 and 4 are all available to me. I still go back to Soul Calibur 3 very, very occasionally, because it offers me additional game play with a presentation that is not drastically inferior to SCIV. If SCIV included the story elements that SC3 had, I'd never look back. And in fact despite having played SC2, and still having a copy, I don't ever go back to it. Yet I know that some older gamers who cut their teeth on SC2 continue to claim that SC3 is crap and SC4 is crap because of such and such a control issue. For me though, the controls in Sc have always been slightly broken, the AI has always been more than slightly cheap, and the game is simply a fun arcade fighter with great graphics, heavy character customization, and in the case of SC3, a story mode that let you effectively build your own arcade game experience by creating your own roster of fighters. But like you say, if the newest version of the game offers me the same elements as an older version, but with much better visuals and sound, why would I touch the older game?

I can totally see this, and understand why younger gamers without the benefit of nostalgia can't understand the charms of older games. Except where the older game really does offer something to a gamer that they cannot get from current games. That is the core of this - the game mechanics or game play.

I loved playing Elite way back on the Acorn BBC Micro. I played it for hundreds of hours. the next nearest thing I've played is Privateer 2 on the PC, which I also invested numerous hours in. But, there isn't anything like Elite currently available for me to play, so you know what, if I could get my old 8-bit BBC Micro computer to work, I'd boot that game up and play it today, or if Privateer 2 would work properly under XP, I'd replay that. Both offer a unique kind of gameplay that simply doesn't currently exist. But as much as I loved Elite, when I had Privateer 2, Elite got no time. If there was an equivalent game available to me today, I wouldn't even be thinking of Elite or Privateer 2.

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Temjin001
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 8:06:32 PM

Just to add something, the advent of polygonal 3D fighters added very realistic animated movement. Gone was the stiff pre-drawn moves that had very limited motion.

Basically, I think motion in itself creates for much more believability.

As for Soul Calibur, I think that was one of it's greatest strengths when it landed on DC. It didn't just look great, but the movement was so much more fluid and interesting then anything from before. Those characters katas Mitsirugi and Taki would preform were fun to watch and impressive to see in motion. Nothing like that could be done with 2D at the time.

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JDC80
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:26:03 PM
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I wished my NES still works those games were amazing back in the day. I still remember beating the original TMNT game, playing the Ninja Gaiden games, Double Dribble,cussing out Battletoads and even the bad games bring back cool memories. Thank goodness people put up NES/SNES/Gameboy/Genesis emulators up so we can still play those games today.

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556pineapple
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 3:57:36 PM
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I haven't really noticed this myself, but I remember playing NES when it was still that generation. I was pretty damn young at the time, and I wasn't very good, but I still remember playing the SMBs, Duck Hunt, Contra, etc. I've never heard anyone disparage the classics, but once I was at Wal Mart with a group of friends and we were looking at a preview trailer of the new Twisted Metal at the PS3 display. I was the oldest in that group, at 23, and the youngest is 18. We three older ones were telling him to watch the trailer to see if he recognized it, and he had no clue what it was, even after the trailer displayed the name of the game. We couldn't believe he had never heard of it. I'll have to have him play some II and Black next time he's over here.

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FlyingKickPunch
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:08:42 PM
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Those old games engage my imagination more than these newer games ever will. The music in those games is more memorable to me, too. Maybe I'm just too old. I don't know. I had a bad day at work.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:49:01 PM

The old music is just a lot catchier because it's simple. Who wouldn't recognize the Mario or Zelda theme?

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TheAgingHipster
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:13:52 PM
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Just thought I'd say, it's articles like these, and the associated comments, that made me a regular PSXE reader. This is probably the best game site community on the web.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:27:05 PM

Thanks. :)

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Culoslap
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:02:24 PM

I agree. This is the only gaming site I go to. I used to go to IGN until I found the grass was more sapient and greener over here. This community actually makes cognitive arguments. One can only read "PS3/XBOX sucks" or "This game sucks because it's not CoD" so many times in comment threads.

To this disembodied "Ben" nice job on the site.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:56:29 PM

Okay, I guess I am "disembodied" in the virtual world. :)

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AbsoluteZer0
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:36:12 PM
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I think this is often the case, but still only a generalization. For instance, I'm only 17 and I *loved* Ocarina of Time, Link to the Past, Paper Mario 64, Sonic and Knuckles 3, Aladdin(on the SNES), and Earthworm Jim. And the only one of these games I grew up playing was Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Additionally I've played most of these games within the last two years.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:51:24 PM

Ah, but generalizations are always false for specific examples, but true in general - if you see what I mean. You can be the exception to the rule, but the rule still exists.

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AbsoluteZer0
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:36:14 PM
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I think this is often the case, but still only a generalization. For instance, I'm only 17 and I *loved* Ocarina of Time, Link to the Past, Paper Mario 64, Sonic and Knuckles 3, Aladdin(on the SNES), and Earthworm Jim. And the only one of these games I grew up playing was Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Additionally I've played most of these games within the last two years.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:52:32 PM

It does sound like you grew up when those things existed so the gameplay probably grabs you.

Basically it comes down to whether or not a person will bother with a game that "looks like crap" and why that doesn't bother them.

For me, it's gameplay and of course a shot of nostalgia.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 4:51:24 PM
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Simon Belmont brings up a fantastic point, though I'm not sure it's what he meant. When you had those old games with people that were essentially built out of a few blocks (big ass pixels) you had to use your imagination. Those rather small cartoonish backgrounds in games needed some good imagination to turn into a landscape in your mind. Now the landscape is provided right there in hi def.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:06:38 PM
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Atari Jaguar was the Sh!t. Until it got smoked.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:49:41 PM

I loved my Jag, even after it got smoked, games like Iron Soldier just don't exist anywhere and they should.

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BikerSaint
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 9:41:59 PM

I love my Panasonic 3DO way more than my Jaguar, (even with my 64 bit adapter unit).

IMO, although it's a graphically challenged these days now compared to this gen's machines, the 3DO game, "Icebreaker" is still one of the best, & most "innovative" games out there.....
and with 600 levels played over 5 different difficulty settings.

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 2:44:37 PM

LoL, World I meant that their was this one day
I played my Jaguar and it was smoking from the back and scared the sh!t out of me.

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NoOneSpecial
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:22:43 PM
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The whole problem is that many still regard video games as a time waster for the immature. Many still believe that you will eventually "grow out of" games much like one realizes that it is impractical to want to be a pirate when they grow up.

In the past, with some of the older games, that might have been the case, but now with games like Heavy Rain, it's not the same. Video games are becoming like movies in that they can appeal to all ages. In the beginning of movies, no one took them seriously. They thought of it as a fad that would soon die out and everyone would get back to traditional theater. Now, movies are one of the most popular forms of entertainment and a staple of international culture.

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Culoslap
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 5:45:57 PM
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It's really just a generational divide. Kids born with the HD spoon in their mouths. There's nothing wrong with kids owning their generation of games. Saying that, people in general hardly appreciate history. I have a problem with 16-year-olds claiming they grew up watching (G1) Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Voltron, GI Joe, et al. Claiming they used to play NES and actually beat those games. The difficulty of those games would make teens today cry (if the visuals don't already do so).

I have more respect for the kid that says "I guess those games were before my time. They must be something special if they're still talked about today." Sadly all you hear is "That game looks so gay. I have to actually read?! CoD is the best and first game ever made!"

Veterans know what it was like gaming BEFORE the internet. Having to find out everything on your own. Now games just seem to hold your hand every step of the way. Go to this dot on your radar. Push this button/do this when you get there. Blast the bad guys along the way. Repeat until the credits roll. /rant (sorry)

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Rogueagent01
Friday, January 21, 2011 @ 12:46:15 PM

@Culoslap

You just pointed out my main reason for not hating the kids of today. The games pre FFVII and SMB were mostly arcade type games. They never actually intended on us beating them, it was a completely different world of gaming. The piles of broken games/peripherals are a testament to us older gamers dislikes as well. And I can completely understand why they wouldn't like those types of games. Many of us have probably blocked at least a memory or two from that era of gaming.

But the kids that can't understand why games from say FFVII and up are great games mystifies me. That era of gaming was probably my favorite. Games like FFVII, VIII, Persona and 2, Star Ocean: The Second Story, Legend of Dragoon, Vagrant Story, Wild Arms 2, Colony Wars these were games that pushed the size of gaming to its limits. And though they were graphically inferior each and every one of these games surpass just about anything on the market today when it comes to immersion.

Squenix has made comments along the lines of, a free roaming world like FF's of the past are practically impossible(not an exact quote), plus the games made now a days rarely stretch past a 40 hour mark. Are the developers saying that the PS1 was superior to the PS3 or are they just making advances in the wrong areas of development?

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Gone
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:04:15 PM
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I should have kept every system and games that I had. Back in the day I was eager to buy the lastest and greatest system and get rid of my old system as soon as possible. It had something to do with not having enough space and not enough jacks on my TV.

I am glad to see that PSN has some of the old games that I liked on the PS1. Just recently re bought Jet Moto 2 and punched in the cheat codes (gives you both Jet Moto 1 and 2 with the code).

The consoles back then were dead silent compared to the jet engines we have now (the BD on my PS3 Slim 160GB is louder than my computer's CD drive).

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Nick42
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:29:19 PM
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Just got back from a NES session of Mega Man 2. How anyone was ever supposed to beat that game on original 'difficult' difficulty is beyond me. It took us several hours on normal!

The Heat Man jump puzzle is one of the most infuriatingly annoying bits of platforming I have ever done.

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SolidFantasy
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:42:03 PM
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I got a hold of an snes a few months ago and started playing some old school SMB. It was the All Stars addition.
Turns out those games are still incredibly difficult. Just as much as I remember them being when I was 7 or whatever. I'm only 23, but I was so late to the gaming world I still got in the classics. the original 8 bit Zelda, the first Kurby, and on towards FFVII and so so fourth.

What I wonder is what will the games of today feel like ten years down the road? Or 20 for that matter? We're playing future classics now!

man do I miss the 90s. What a grand decade :)

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Nick42
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 6:45:18 PM
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Games were so damn difficult back then and that made them great! You sure got a lot of game time for your money - kids today just wouldn't cope with the endless repetition you had to put in to beat a level... but the feeling of achievement you got for it was huge!

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EvilKen
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:17:06 PM

I agree, and sega had some of the hardest games I've ever played lol

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EvilKen
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:15:42 PM
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All kid gamers these days seem to care about is "Graphics" and whether or not the words "Call Of Duty" are in the title of the game. That's what it seems like. They don't care about games like The Legend Of Dragoon for ps1, or Super Mario RPG for SNES, or Comix Zone for the Sega Genesis

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kraygen
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:31:52 PM
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This is why when I have children, I will start them on on original nes, then eventually move them to snes and sega genesis, then playstation, then ps2, then ps3, and then to whatever is current at the time.

I want them to get the full experience. I'm sorry, but I don't think you can fully appreciate the games we have today if you've never experienced the games of yesterday.

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BikerSaint
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 9:46:45 PM

kraygen,

"Great Dad"

"Kudo's to you"!

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eLLeJuss
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:31:54 PM
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Thats why we need ff7 remake. ='/

Some titles are still enjoyable though. Classic games are kind of like the iphone games anyways.. Tetris pacman mario i know will never go away, Can't say the same for sonic though... oh sonic :(

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Temjin001
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 7:57:25 PM
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Yeah, I have to say nostalgia can hold a lot of weight. For some reason I'm still wanting to play that Sonic Adventure PSN download despite knowing that it's basically crap by today's standards. BUt back then, it was hot stuff to me.
I still value classics like the original Super Mario Bros.; though, Super Mario World is still my all time fav of the 2D Mario's.
I think going back and replaying old classics have a way of unlocking the emotions you felt way back when you first experienced them.
Just like grape Kool-Aid, when I was a kid I drank a ton of grape Kool-Aid at a friends house, and then got sick and puked it up all night...
To this day, I still don't want to drink grape Kool-Aid. =)


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Geobaldi
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 8:36:28 PM
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Hi guys. This is off topic but I just wanted to let you all know. My dad has been really sick and been on life support for the last 2 weeks or so. He's taken a turn for the worst and is now basically brain dead. I'm going to the hospital now to spend our last night together before I give the order to turn off life support tomorrow.

Everybody please appreciate and spend as much time with your parents as you can while you can. I don't wish this experience on anyone.

Talk to you all again in a few days or so I guess.

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BikerSaint
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 9:48:21 PM

Geobaldi,

My prayer's going to you & your family.

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Highlander
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 11:03:46 PM

Geobaldi,

My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. You are right, we should all make and spend more time with those we love. Thank you for taking the time to think of others.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 1:07:57 AM

Condolences from myself and PSXE. All I can say is we all have to take the next step at some point, and it's best to think of it that way: the next step.

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Shams
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 2:21:24 AM

My prayer's and best wishes for you, Geobaldi, and your family, and your father. And I'll make good on your advice. By odd coincidence, that is what exactly has been on my mind for past couple of weeks (while FFxiii was eating my free time). Strange, how I waste all these precious moments with vane stuff. Puts things in perspective.

Speaking of things that put things in perspective, I've also found in such situations, the most consoling advice is what Ben said. This is just a train stop. We all got a ticket. And just maybe, we'll all meet up soon enough. Don't despair. Hey, maybe we're all sleeping, and he's the one who's just waking up?

"We're in this world, as if we were never in it, and we are in the next world as if we were always in it".

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 2:54:28 AM

My condolences to you and your family. Alas, time rolls on, and we must all inevitably meet our fate. All we can do in the meantime is make the most of our lives.

It is good to listen to our parents and learn their lessons, for one day, only the memories will remain. My thoughts are with you.

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Highlander
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 3:01:45 AM

Unlike our fleeting physical form, memories can last forever. We should all seek to do things in our lives that plant memories in those around us. We must also ensure that in turn, we remember those loved ones who live on in our memories.

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PharaohJR
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 6:21:14 PM

keep ya head up bredren. stand tall. salute

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wolfsinner
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 9:24:05 PM
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I must've been the only one who never liked SMB to begin with (from the SNES days, I wasn't really a gamer in '85).
I did like most FFs, and still gladly play FFVII and VIII, etc. I find it a bit harder to replay pre-FFVII FFs on a TV though.. I guess I got spoiled with the current generation.

Either way, yes! I think only people who were amazed at those games when they first released see the true value behind them. :)

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BikerSaint
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 10:11:24 PM
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Well, as the oldest gamer here on-site, I basically agree with the article.

Just try sitting a new young gamer down to play the Uncharted, or GOW, and then swap the console out on a 1977 "Telestar Alpha" to see what their expression & comments will be.

As for myself(even though I'm not into RPG's), after admittedly playing some of FFX, FFXI, FFXII, FFXII-2, & then popping in FFXII & FF Tactics once again, I couldn't play those two games again, even if I did like RPG's.

But don't get me wrong now, I still go back & play many old retro titles on almost all of my older system collections9.
Matter of fact, I just bought "Gubble" for my PSX(strategy puzzles)to try out.

And in the last 2 weeks, I've been on the hunt for another Intellivision, Colecovision & the other three other amigo's....the Atari 2600, 5200, & 7600, so I can get some nostalgic retro fixes on again.

But I haven't seen any low prices on them lately, & nobody's been selling a Colecvision or games lately either.....
*sigh*

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 2:46:59 AM

We used to have an old Atari around here... I'd like to know whatever happened to it. I think Dad took it to the dump. That saddens me.

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hehateme
Monday, January 17, 2011 @ 10:33:48 PM
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my sons 4 and 6 love the new mario bros (they love the bubble feature) and me of course grew up playing it... anyone remember the movie the wizzard? with fred savage ? lol
to me mario is timeless and id buy the next super mario bros 2 in a heart beat its just so much fun for all types of gamers it has alot going for it especially for competition.

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johnld
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 12:50:18 AM
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the game i remember the most was flying warriors for the nes. i think it was the hardest nes game i played back then. whats more is that after i beaten it, it told me there was a sequel. never did find out if there was one. i did play a lot of nes games led by mario, zelda, samus, and megaman. although theres always one game i always have fun playing, ice hockey. it always ended with either fighting the whole game or just running away with the skinny dude around the place.

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___________
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 1:01:28 AM
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thats not true, allot of "classics" i did not play when they released only played them recently and i can see why there called classics.
you dont have to be older to aprreciate them, hell my 8 year old nephew LOVES mario, the old crash games, pandemonium, oddworld, goldeneye, doom.
Im actually playing through the first oddworld now, im amazed how advanced and futuristic it was for its time!
i wish we could have a game exactly the same as that, its just so unique and fun.
no matter how long i play it i never get bored of it, very few games can do that to me.
same goes for pandemonium by one of the best platformer ever released, and definetly the best game crystal dynamics ever made!
why there wasting there time on tomb raider is beyond me, create a new pandemonium game and watch the cash come rolling in!!!!!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 8:47:01 PM

Ahhhh....."OddWorld"

"fart"!

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Kevin5
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 2:18:35 AM
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A true classic game for me was the original Resident Evil on PSone. That was the first game i actually got into & i will never forget it. Seeing the game open up with that real life recorded style cinematic & entering the mansion blew my mind, & that grisly scene where you encounter your first zombie was the true first "WOW" moment for me.

Looking back the controls were pretty wonky & the voice acting was horrid but it didn't bother me as the game was pure class. I bought the game around late 1996 & still have it to this day.

"You were almost a Jill sandwich"

Pure. Win.

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PharaohJR
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 6:50:04 PM

i would roam kingston jamaica late at night hear & seeing violence i slept in tha streets in canada & tx, i could watch endless scary movies bk 2 bk & was never spooked by none of these but when my cuzo introduced me to resident evil the theme, the setting the music & sound would have me shook.... i remember watching his 1st encounter with a zombie & u heard footsteps & then a dying deep voice say ugh... ugh... ugh... & u see this ugly duppy looking man & then u pull out ya pistol & unload but the zombie wouldn't die & thren it reaches u grabbed you & start eating your flesh...... the sound was something so rich for a VG & new to my ears it beat any gruesome scary movie i watched...... i tried to play RE 1 time & never touch the series again untill RE5.

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JoshBall
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 4:58:25 AM
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Ben I don't think all youngsters can't appreciate the old games, my mates and I are all 19 and still go on all the PS classics; Abes Oddysee, Crash Team Racing, MGS etc. I have also owned a Mega Drive and Commodore 64 and still can enjoy the games. I suppose it helps growing up with them aswell, it's a treat that we can still download/play all the old PS1 games on the PS3, hail the 60gb!

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YoMega
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 5:52:40 AM
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I still play final fantasy tactics for hours on end. I love that game. Old friend showed it to me years ago, I bought it for myself, and I just bought it again for the psone classics. Lets say this, I'm addicted to black ops, thats whats mostly in my ps3, but I even got off that to play FFT.

I only wish others would play this game, its amazing.

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Rogueagent01
Saturday, January 22, 2011 @ 11:33:58 AM

I'm with you on Final Fantasy Tactics, it without a doubt is my favorite FF. I've owned at least 3 or 4 copies of that game. I played them so much that the discs would wear out after so long and I still have 2 copies now that I think about it.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 7:57:16 AM
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As much I loved the old games I used to play, I am over them all.

Tecmo Bowl redux was a nice experience that lasted for a few weeks, but once I hit the 100% trophy percentage, I was done.

Haven't touched it since.

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Bjorn77
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 11:38:45 AM
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Last year I downloaded "cannonfodder" because I loved it back in the days. I played that game for months and months, now I was done in 30 minutes. It just was not a whole lot of fun anymore. It was more the nostalgic feeling and in some way I felt I was killing it.

Somethings are better kept in the myth and praise them for the past glory, but leave them alone now... You kill the myth.

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PharaohJR
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 6:07:58 PM
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hmphh... i remember in jamaica staying with my cuzo(cousin) he jus recieved the square box nintendo with 1 controller & super mario as the game. i jus stepped in the house at the time it was either 93 or 94 so i was bout 5-7. i was amazed at seeing this 2d man in a world where he could leap over green tubes and stomp on turtles & power up of stars & shrooms..... i thought 2 myself is this a dream.... how is it we have the ability to interact & controll a character in this fantasy world. from that day i never stopped playing VG.

since im 22 & grew up in tha 90s era of VG games i loved mario & donkey kong but played megaman,kirby & others. i was basically raised on nintendo in 95 or 96 my sis had super nintendo. i never knew other systems were available til i made friends in canada & i discovered sega & sonic..... when i seen this i thought WOW theres another system that allows artist to create there dreams & share it with us to interact in....

i finally got my 1st system in 98 & i chose N64. still to this day i think mario 64 is the best mario.... my choice of games for N64 mario, donkey kong, cruisin usa, 007 golden eye, zelda, rush & the best was super smash bros.... something changed though when i was introduced to playstation. my cousin in canada had it & I remember playing twisted metal, NFS, crash bandicot, spyro & GT.... while playing these i realised this was the system i needed i could relate more to it cause it was mature & more detailed. i recieved my own playstation in 99 when i moved to TX.

from nintendo, super nintendo, sega genesis, sega saturn, N64,playstation,gameboy & sega handhel(cant remember the name), dreamcast PS2,xbox,gamecube,x360,wii,ps3,psp & ds i grew up with these & i enjoy all of them for making the opportunity of a artist to create there vision & allowing us to interact with them..... im a man of appreciation & even though i didnt get to participate in the atari & etc era that came out that time i still enjoy what atari produced cause i acknowledge this is what was available at the time. i can go bk & play the older generations of games cause the main foundation the 1st floor of gaming is FUN.

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thj_1980
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 7:47:11 PM

I totally agree with that you have to say, you are a true gamer!!!!


I'll still be playing my ps3 when I become 256 years old!!!

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, January 18, 2011 @ 9:01:59 PM
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PharaohJR

<<<sega handheld(cant remember the name)>>>

Sega Game Gear

I just picked up a G.G. on eBay real cheap to add to all my other gaming collections.

These 8 games were also included....

5-In-1 Fun Pack
Bust-A-Move
Caesars Palace
Junction
Poker Face Paul's Gin
Sonic 2
Sonic Triple Trouble
Super Columns

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PharaohJR
Thursday, January 20, 2011 @ 12:21:36 PM

(yuh thats the name) i remember playing sonic on game gear. i spent more time with game gear than sega systems..... i always wanted to collect systems but have yet to find stability in life its only a matter of time & i will collect all previous platforms & games. the only problem i will have is tryna find the time to get lost in them cause in my future lies a busy schedule......

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Emini
Thursday, January 20, 2011 @ 6:41:50 PM
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What's 'the old'? I'm 16 and I play old games.

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ninja
Monday, January 24, 2011 @ 8:26:44 PM
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I think I may have a remedy... The young gamers typically dont like the classic games because of dated graphics?? Hey... Lock em in a room for a week, with only ZORK I, and II. They'll appreciate ANY graphics after that. Lol!

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