Security Updates For PS3, Sony May Consider Serial Keys

thepill
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:32:59 PM
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This update is taking FOREVER!!! Damn pirates, could screw up an orgasm.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:35:00 PM

I bet that the PSN servers are getting hammered by people trying to download the firmware update and wouldn't be surprised is dome morons were trying to disrupt that service at the same time.

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thepill
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:37:41 PM

the update crashed 3 times during download, but just now finished. The successful try took about 20 min, and another 5 min to install.

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GuernicaReborn
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:56:22 PM

Uh oh. I'm d/l'ing this update to a USB drive and installing it to my PS3... it'll be faster that way.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:27:23 PM

Wow, it took all of 5 seconds to download and about 5 minutes to install. Nice.

Read point 4 of the Terms of Service when the process asks you to accept the terms, it's interesting.

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GuernicaReborn
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:53:54 PM

WTF that's awesome Highlander. Are you on a fiber optic network or something? Of course, if anybody could get the most out of their ISP, it would be you.

Not gonna lie, I'm a little jealous right now.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:13:32 PM

Nah, I was fooling myself. I just realized that I spent about 5 minutes looking at their new Terms and Conditions and it was probably downloading in the background. So it seemed like seconds but was actually about 5 minutes. Still 5 to download and 5 more to install, not bad at all.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:27:50 PM

Wow! I came within about 5 minutes of a fairly permanent bricking. within 5 minutes of completing the firmware install, my power went out. I didn't think about it until just now. That is not a pleasant thought.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:55:02 AM

Indeed. Those that do things to the PS3 such as hacking, stealing and homebrews, I wish upon them a bricked console.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 9:06:07 PM

"Damned crappy Verizon DSL"

I did my update in the middle of the night about 4:30AM & it still took me about 20 minutes & another 5 to install.

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kevinater321
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:42:43 PM
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Damn i hated the security codes for pc. I think Doom 3 had one and when i tried to reinstall it after getting a new computer i couldn't. Hopefully you can enter this code multiple times, like how you can download the same game more than once on psn.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:48:54 PM

If I were doing this... I'd make it a code you enter once, and then you download an unlock from PSN. That would be coded specifically by your PSN id and whatever other secure things Sony wants to do. Just like anything else, you could download that to multiple systems. Then when you try to start the game, it looks for the encrypted unlock key and attempts to verify the key. If it verifies, the game plays, if not, it doesn't. That way, every unlock file is unique to the PSN ID, and never exists in an unencrypted form, making it very hard to crack.

In a way it'd be like any game you buy from PSN because it is activated on your system, and you can activate it multiple times.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/26/2011 9:50:43 PM

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FatherSun
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:50:36 PM

Supposedly this is the route Sony is taking. The 5 system rule. Boy how I wish that Sony anticipated this possibility and had some sort of secondary key that could be activated remotely somehow. This is madness.

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:50:39 PM

But if you dont have internet access you are boned.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:59:20 PM

@Fathasun,

I bet they do that and more with the PSP2 and any PS4 that follows eventually.

@Bandit, I haven't figured that one out yet myself. Unless they put some kind of key-station in retail locations that is essentially a kiosk where you can enter your code and get an unlock file on a small USB stick or something like that. I can't see how else it'd work.

Something like DECE's UltraViolet (formerly digital locker) play anywhere DRM might work too.

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Saffleur
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:03:45 PM

@Fathasun No, This is Spartaaaa!

Seriously though, does it matter what they put in? We're all gonna go and play it anyway right? That's not saying we're sheeple but I'm not giving up something I know I've put a good chunk of money in to.

I'm not in a rush to get the update, PS Plus + automatic DL = win.

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___________
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:30:22 AM

not only PSN but do what antivirus software does, create a unique key consisting of your HDD model, PSN ID and MAC address.
only problem is if you change your HDD.
ok, maybe scrap HDD and use something not changeable like the serial number.

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 11:27:08 AM

That sounds like a huge pain in the ass, Highlander, and i wont buy any game that treats me like a criminal.

Anti-piracy on PC games doesnt stop pirates, it just makes it a huge pain for people who actually bought the game. The same thing will happen with the ps3 if they follow the same model. A lot of people who bought Spore for PC had to use a crack because their legitimate serial for it wouldnt work due to the multiple levels of verification. Ubi made an AP system for Assassins Creed 2 on pc that required a connection to their server to play, even just the single player campaign. One day their servers went down and people who paid for the game couldnt play but pirates kept on playing without even knowing there was a problem.

Instead of screwing around on the customer side of things, just make a more secure console. It took pirates ton more time and effort to crack the ps3 open, and sony should be proud of that, but dont make it a pain in the ass for people who actually buy their games.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 3:12:31 PM

Bandit, they may not do this serial key thing at all - apparently 4Chan was one of the sources of the rumor which in and of itself indicates that it may be a hoax.

Besides the latest firmware fixes the descryption code to use random numbers properly and they are using a new private key. The public keys have already been pulled from the firmware update, but the new private one has not been reversed yet (I'll say yet because you can't say it won't be). Plus I've read comments and reports on a number of sites that suggest Sony did something in the secure processing vault and that PSN will start performing more thorough authentication checks to detect compromised systems. It's believed that the messaging from PSN will be encrypted and authenticated so forging the replies will be nigh on impossible. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but I have read it from two separate sources in the PS3 homebrew community. If that is the case then it means that if you don't have the official Sony firmware 3.56 or higher installed, your PS3 will not be able to access PSN when this is enabled. DNS tricks shouldn't do much to help whenever they decide to start using these deeper authentication procedures. It also means that Sony will have the means to detect and potentially ban compromised systems at will. One of the sources I read seemed to think that Sony can remotely initiate these checks at any time as long as your PS3 is connected. Like I've said before, you might not be able to prevent tampering forever, but you can make your system tamper evident.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:43:54 PM
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this sucks eveytime they release an update i am excited but only until i find out it is another security patch. I like the idea of playing video games for free, but the process is too much for me to do, so i'll not head into there. If I were to get this I'd have 2 systems 1 main one, and 1 secondary that is dedicated to hacking, to play single player games only!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:25:20 PM

If you were to get what? You kinda need the update.

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frylock25
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:06:21 PM

posts like this will not score you points around here man. hacking is not cool, its basically stealing. you do what you want but that mentality that you just showed is the reason we are getting to this point.

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 9:40:14 AM

Which will help you on games that come out before now... each disk has the most recent firmware update at the time the game was released. You'd have to get it eventually anyways.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:47:00 PM
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Couldn't update on the fat PS3 so I gave up for the night. I will take a wait and see stance till later to avoid any inadvertent system problems. The slim has been in use for the last few hours and thankfully no issues have arisen. Will update later. Hope it will update before the Home Killzone invasion.

Dam Security Researchers!

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thepill
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:49:29 PM

my update was on a fat, and it took almost an hour to get it to download. No problems after install so far. (fingers crossed)

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:50:03 PM

Security Researchers - yes, they would call themselves that wouldn't they....

;)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:27:44 PM

I am a security researcher, I want to test the building security at Square Enix.

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Vitron
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:09:07 AM

Ha, I wonder about that :)

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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:49:24 PM
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I wont buy any game that has a serial number.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:01:58 PM

Good Luck with that. It seems that we may have no choice if we wish to enjoy the Exclusive Assault of 2011.

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 9:47:00 AM

Why not?

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 11:22:13 AM

I shouldnt be inconvenienced because Sony can't make a safe OS. I wont be able to borrow my friend's games, nor will they be able to borrow mine. You can forget about used games, trading, anything other than playing the game yourself.

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:06:08 PM

mm... that's not necessarilly quite true. Based on the references to the potential of a 'digital key' being similar to how PSN purchases are organized, you should be able to put your game on anyone's system you would trust with your PSN id to get it assigned to their system.

So you will likely be able to assign the key to 3-5 different systems between you and friends. You would trust your PSN id on a friends PS3 to install a key. You wouldn't give it to some random guy over EBAY. They just want to prevent piracy, copying, and transfer of ownership. They don't want to limit how you, the purchaser, handle your copy.

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NoSmokingBandit
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 2:43:51 PM

So i have to give up my accounts privacy (even if to a friend) just to share a game? No thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
"Copyright, as the name suggests, is the right to copy a work of some form. If one resells or gives as a gift a book (or CD or DVD) that one has bought, a new copy has not been made, therefore it is legal under US copyright law."

Publishers have no right to dictate how i can or cannot sell something i own. If i want to sell my copy of a game they shouldnt charge the 2nd owner for a new key. If you think they should then you should probably start rallying against libraries. Can't have people reading books they didnt pay for, how will the authors survive :0

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 3:16:00 PM

First off, you quoted Wikipedia under a section that has absolutely no citation. It's not citable or reputable. Law is not black and white, as you wish it was. If they REALLY were motivated enough, they could take you to small claims court and win $60 off you. They never will do that, but they WOULD win. Small scale musicians have done that to local bars/clubs playing their local music, and won.

Second, stop comparing physical goods to digital media. To people who understand this differentiated piece of law, you sound really silly. So these lame claims that it's the same as used cars, books, or dental floss, just brutally make it obvious that I'm again entering into an argument with someone that lacks the ability to understand the most basic concepts of law. And I will get nowhere, because you'll just argue based on information I've already explained is NOT legitimate... And around in circles we'll go... I'm a sucker too apparently...

They aren't the same, and modern law hasn't caught up yet to define the differences throughout the whole of copyright law. It's only written in parts. But enough to make both you and the publisher right. And rest assured, some day, your case will be wrong.

Third, while there are too many loopholes that make it impossible to stop you from reselling a game or playing a used copy, the law is so inefficient for both parties, that game publishers ALSO have enough holes to say they own the data and can charge for additional keys.

So while you continue pretending your type 2 morality gives you some sort of entitlement to declare who deserves the money for the production you now use (not own), which apparently is fine, eventually the publishers are going to have enough and do what you're so upset they're going to do.

And guess what?!?!

Used game buyer? They DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU!!!! Oh no!!! You aren't going to buy their games anymore?!?! Well, who gives a flying rats buttocks. You never got them any money in the first place!

So stop pretending like you making some vow to not buy their games ever again is going to make some sort of difference. Losing you from the modern game market isn't hurting any of the publishers. You're the only one missing out of the future of gaming.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 1/27/2011 3:18:57 PM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 3:53:29 PM

Bandit's favorite reply in copyright discussions is doctrine of first sale. However that doctrine was established in law as a precedent during an era of physical reproduction of copyright materials. Because physical media such as books and vinyl records do deteriorate, there is an inherent disadvantage of buying a used book or record. This represents an incentive to continue paying for the new item even though a used one is available. The courts recognized that restricting the ability of a person to sell a physical article based on the copyright of the content contained in the article.

In the digital age, the used item doesn't deteriorate, and there is no disadvantage in owning the used copy because it's identical to the new one. This removes the balancing effect that physical deterioration has prompting people to buy new. So, doctrine of first sale doesn't necessarily apply. So far the copyright office has indicated that digital goods are not covered by the doctrine of first sale for these reasons.

Games fall into an odd area because they are sold as physical items but do not significantly deteriorate, because the content is digital. So discs are covered by the doctrine, but downloads are not.

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 29, 2011 @ 2:46:46 PM

Just because something is the law doesn't mean it should be.

Slavery was the law of the land at one time.

The exception for digital goods (software) is ridiculous and should be repealed.

This coming from someone who rarely buys used games and almost never re-sells. I also have never rented a game nor swapped games with friends. I pay the developers for the games I play.

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Highlander
Monday, February 07, 2011 @ 10:13:31 AM

Fane,

I realize that you may not catch this reply, but I do have to post it anyway. The doctrine of first sale cannot and will not apply to digital goods because digital goods remain perfect no matter how many times they are passed from consumer to consumer. Because every copy made during any transfer of a digital work is perfect. Consumers can take a copy of a digital work and sell the 'original' to someone else, keeping their copy. The copyright holder loses completely in that regard because unlike the books and records that physically deteriorate, there is no reason for anyone to buy new if they can buy a perfect copy from someone else for cheap.

Copyright laws exist to protect the creators of works and ensure that they are fairly paid for their work. In a digital age, allowing the doctrine of first sale on digital works utterly destroys the point of copyright in the first place. If you do not protect the rights of content creators to be paid for their effort, they will not make the effort.

Copyrights exist for a reason, and it's a compelling reason for anyone interested in artistic innovation in any media.

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Alienange
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:50:23 PM
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Like I want to enter serial keys when I get a new game. Yeesh. There's got to be a better way.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:57:01 PM
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What burns me up is those who defend the blatant theft of the Security Keys. Modify, alter and change all you want to your property. I have no issue with that. Sony sold you the hardware and the hardware only. The data belongs to them no matter how some chose to twist the words to justify such actions.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 9:58:06 PM
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Man, this could really destroy the used game re-sell market.
THe sad thing is, with a digital medium like this, it seems to be one of the only ways a company can protect itself from this form of loss
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While I think the concept of marketing a digital and easily duplicable product is more of the fault of the business who chooses to try and protect itself only by intellectual property laws and stop-gap solutions to hackers, I also understand that I value the gaming entertainment we have today and I'm willing to play according to these economic rules to have access to evolving content going into the future. I would hate for gaming to de-evolve or reduce it's momentum due to massive piracy problems that erodes away at the bottom line and ultimately hurts the health of the industry.

Do the right thing for gaming. Pay for your games and support the industry that supports you with the kind of entertainment you want to play.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:02:46 PM

Only a loser would be proud of his pile of worthless pirated games.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:03:07 PM

You know, in all those discussions we've had on this side about DRM, copy protection, piracy and used games. I made the point time and again that if people didn't modify their behavior, this was one of the possibilities. The hackers have simply accelerated this. The content providers *have* to protect their products. That is the only way they can make a profit from their work. Since so many people seem hell bent on copyright infringement through piracy, it's only common sense that this - or something like it - would happen. Perhaps this time I won't get down voted into oblivion for stating the blindingly obvious.

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DemonNeno
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:53:33 PM

Not to mention the "loyalty" fees these companies pay to Sony to ensure this exact problem (hacking) won't keep them up at night. I'm all for trying games before buying them if I'm skeptical about it, but that's what rental stores are for.

Hackers simply enjoy the challenge as it tests their abilities. Unfortunately, hacks have to be somewhat clarified to seal their works legitimacy. What's more unfortunate are the douchebags who think this is an acceptable way of getting their game on..

If your so damn hell bent on stealing these games, rob the store instead of the honest community. Pussycats!

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FatherSun
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:55:14 PM

@Highlander, Common Sense is not Common.

Downvoted for that? I must've missed that conversation. Glad I did.

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 9:58:42 AM

@FATHASON
Be glad you missed it. I'm pretty sure I was the only one that sided with Highlander. Anyone else that agreed didn't say anything and/or didn't say much.

It's not like it's some complicated issue. People just have this false sense of entitlement... that they deserve to buy things or pirate things in a way that hurts the industry.

Really, though, people just get upset when you challenge a particular stance on morality. For some reason, in it means a person has to say they may have been wrong or have been doing something illegal, they feel like their self worth will depreciate if they shed the former self and donne a new one. When, in fact, the best way to become a more worthwhile person is to constantly look for more ways of improving otherwise questionable behavior.

In this case, pirating, stealing, and buying used. All 3 take profits away from the publishers and developers. The only difference is that by buying used, you're a sucker for paying. Might as well have just stole or pirated it and saved some cash.

But lo... and behold... my and especially Highlanders predictions are beginning to flourish. Perhaps sooner rather than later thanks to pirates. Funny thing is, people will STILL defend their stance as if they've somehow achieved this otherworldly enlightenment of justice. It's as if these people think if they paid for it, it automatically becomes legit. Well... in fact no... you're just a sucker.

Next thing to happen? Used game stores will either begin to sell new only, or become novelty stores.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:02:08 PM
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I'm going to wait a few days before I download anything. I wasn't planning to go online for anything anytime soon anyway.

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Simcoe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:04:43 PM
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This isn't going to be good for those in the game rental business ie. Blockbuster.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:30:51 PM

Gamefly = collapsed.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:30:32 AM

Blockbuster has already been going down the tubes fast ever since Netflix showed up.

As for Gamefly, I think it will be just fine. Gamefly in fact goes a long way toward making piracy unnecessary and impractical. Which is not to say that the vast majority of PS3 gamers would resort to piracy even if this was not the case. They wouldn't. All hail the fanboys!

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:04:46 AM

Major rental companies like Blockbuster already have rental agreements with the gaming industry. Last I heard (and this was during the PS2/XBOX/Gamecube era, so it may have changed or even be non-existent for all I know), the stores buy the games at retailer cost, and then a percentage of rental revenue would go back to the major publisher. (Which is why last gen you saw such a huge rise in cost on game rentals)

So it wouldn't be beyond reason for them to provide rental serial keys that are temporary or limited game access. I'm not sure if or how they would do that, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility. It generates additional income for everyone.

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Hezzron
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:16:48 PM
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You do whatever you have to do to deter thieves. Sony will use what they see fit to protect theirs, just like I use my house alarm and a BFG under the bed to protect mine.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:28:50 PM

Sony's BFG is the permaban-hammer. I think some people better prepare to feel it's sting.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:30:32 PM
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No more used games? That means I won't be buying very many games any more. I can't be paying full price for the games that are years old that I wanna get around to. That is SUCK. I hope this doesn't go down this way.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:44:38 PM

Luckily you don't have to pay full price for a year old game - in 90% of the time they are on sale long before a year has passed.

The pricing of used games on Game Stop where I live are usually twice the price for the same game bought new at Play.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:37:06 AM

But on ebay I can get em as cheap as the plastic in an xbox.

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:38:29 AM

Prices from where I am seldom drop even after a year. They only go down if its become a greatest hits. And c'mon, who can wait that long... Please please still support used games. Yes, while that's not supporting the publishers, its perfectly legal, and who do I prioritize, publishers or myself?

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:09:46 AM

@World
I believe you'd only have to wait just a little longer. There is a point (and maybe Highlander or someone can clarify the amount of time) when the licensing wanes. I believe once production of a title is shut down permanently, they lose the right to license out the software. (And even that has a wait time... something like 3 or 6 months after the last print).

In other words, if you wanted to buy Super Mario Kart for your old SNES, you wouldn't be breaking any licensing laws. Same thing with something like FFX. I believe production was stopped on that a long time ago, so it is not illegal to buy it used.

I believe there are a large number of PS3 games no longer in print now, and are 100% legal to purchase and play used.

EDIT: And chances are, that you could buy a game on EBAY for $5 used and then just have to pay another $10 for the key on PSN. This would drive the cost of buying used down quite a huge bit, I'd imagine.

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 3:43:07 PM

@underdog,

Sadly Abandonware isn't quite as legal as that. The copyrights on a game last for many, many more years than any game ever remains in production. Music for example passes into the public domain 50 years after it's last copyright registration (that's in the UK). In the US I believe that the term is even longer.

In practice though, it's not worth the while of any publisher to go after people for old games that are out of print because the damages cause by the infringement are negligible and the product isn't available, so it's unlike that individuals would be pursued. Users of MAME for example are not under great threat, but web sites hosting ROM images are subject to - at very least - take down notices because of copyright infringement.

Some publishers have a more enlightened view. I have the original Grand Theft Auto on my PC because the folks that published it released it for free as it was old and out of print.

Personally, I think that if a game publisher stepped forward and said that on the 1st anniversary of a game's launch it will have it's retail price cut to $39.99, and then annual reductions of $10 the following two years to a base price of $19.99. Personally, I think this would help combat used game sales, and drive increased sales to consumers who are somewhat behind the curve.

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LittleBigMidget
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:39:29 PM
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Well the PS3 is done. It's been less than 12 hours and theres already a new 3.56 homebrew exploit out. The PS3 is on the same road to the PSP: Piracy. Thanks alot, Geodouche.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:40:03 AM

I suspect that 3.56 actually has more to do with the PSN, which Sony has direct control over. And no, piracy or not, the PS3 is not going to end up like the PSP. The PSP faltering due to piracy is a myth. The real reason it happened is because the device just didn't have enough appeal.

Case in point, the PSP is actually thriving in Japan. Why? Because the device actually has widespread appeal there. In the west the PSP never had the kind of mass market appeal, huge fan following, and large and growing market share that the PS3 now enjoys.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:42:40 PM
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Ye ole shell game. Now you see it now you don't. This is the beginning of the game Sony will play with hackers.

Ben, I wish to thank you for creating this post. I agree with you that hackers should not get any publicity because this is their lifeblood but at the same time to me ignorance is not always bliss. The industry needs to send a serious message to those who break the law. It is clear cut to me. Some say that Sony is wrong for going after GEONOT! Why? He opened the door and distributed the key to protected information and he should be held accountable. As far as pirating is concerned that is the world we live in today. Once the ability is there it WILL happen. Whether we like it or not. The trick is to not let it happen in the first place.

Now, If I may. Was it not when the PS2 was hacked that sales began to skyrocket? Someone who was paying attention please clarify. I say this because it is funny how GEO first began his attempts to hack the PS3 then he resigned from the task. Now all of a sudden he is back in the limelight with this current predicament. Although he is not the one who cracked the code he is now the face of this vulnerability. I look at every angle and part of me wishes that this was an elaborate conspiracy by Sony to recover its former dominance. I will explain.

PS3 keys are found. The system is wide open. Sales skyrocket. The spotlight intensifies thousandfold. Naysayers unite and the competition points it pointy fingers stating that Sony PlayStation is finished. Then suddenly Sony magically reveals a secondary hidden security measure and locks down the console once again. Sony can then state that PlayStation is where you need to be if you wish to have a secure entertainment experience and that the company anticipates possible flaws beforehand and can and will take the necessary action to ensure the security to developers and consumers. Sony is triumphant.

Please excuse the fantasy. It is just upsetting that this discussing even exists in the first place. just as Ben stated, "Whatever happened to just playing games?".

Last edited by FatherSun on 1/26/2011 10:48:28 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:56:56 PM

Yeah that's a little too elaborate of a plan there, but the Xbox has been cracked for a long time and it still won't die so I think Sony is okay.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:24:22 AM

Exactly. I've said this before but piracy has been rampant on the Xbox, Wii, and DS platforms for years and they are doing just fine. There is no real reason to believe that things will be any different for the PS3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 10:51:00 PM
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Oh crap, I better get online for all this crap now if I wanna play a few hours from now.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:03:56 PM
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I guess a lot of people on this site are really sony-active. Which I mean that you guys don't support pirated games for the consoles. I guess sony is taking a big hit after the ps2 and psp, I mean those 2 were the most popular among all game consoles to get hacked. Microsfot is taking a hit too with flashed xbox 360 and nintendo is taking it's toll on the wii and ds games that are hacked. It's just simply cheap consumers don't want to pay much for a game. It's hurting the game industry, with people doing this. Meaning prices have to be kept higher to fight piracy. I have to admit it is very convienent and cheaper on the wallet, but you are hurting the people that made those games. It's just the people who steal don't experience it first hand, so they don't have a sense of hurt. I think shouldn't go with codes because that would take out all of the simplicity of thier system. What I think they should do is just consistanly updating the ps3 whenever they find out a hack. One of my friends bought 3 ps3-jailbreaks usbs and hacked his system, adn he can still go online and play hacked games online. I told him he was wasting his money and effort, since whenever they release a new update he is going to be screwed. But still I pay money for all my games, so I'm not doing anything that is hurting sony, in fact i have never sold any of my games, because selling a game i bought and getting $10 back after paying $70 for it really isn't worth it. Because no one wants to pay full price and no one wants to sell thier old games cheap because they want every penny back. So thoese people go to hacking and piracy, and the funny thing is, they can do it all they want.

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:14:10 PM

No, I call pirated games what they are, stolen merchandise. And I call people that pirate games what they are, thieves.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/26/2011 11:14:22 PM

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:25:51 PM

I agree too, you really are stealing cleverly under the radar. However, I am avoiding to doing this since I think the process is very stupid, where you need to do bunch of stuff to your system, like you need an external hdd and the usb key, as well as you are restricted to stay with 1 firmware update at a time. Where as I go online and play online games so doing this will only stop me from playing online.

My question is, how come sony hasn't went directly to the source and shut them down? Like stop these usbs from even being made and distributed? It just doesn't make sense, to me how sony has known this for a long time now, and hasn't physically removed the source yet?

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Highlander
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:31:46 PM

They got an injunction against the PS3Jailbreak thing, and they are suing various folks in court over the publishing of the keys. But the USB hack can be done with just about any smart USB device - including smart phones. Sony does everything it can, but there are so many non-infringing uses of the various USB devices that it's really hard to prosecute any of them except the ones that actually cloned the real Sony security dongle.. It's hard to even prosecute people for hacking the system since the courts so far do not want to recognize that interfering with the system software is not he same as modifying a case or some other physical modification/enhancement of a system. Courts also don't seem to understand the implications of system software being hacked on devices that connect to proprietary networks like PSN. So, in ignorance, the courts rarely take such cases very far.

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Culoslap
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:24:44 PM
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So if Sony actually does go this route, I won't be able to physically borrow a game from a friend or vice versa?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:28:19 PM

Hell no. That's Socialism!

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:31:51 PM

Exactly i understand you, i enjoy borrowing a game once and a while, but in all honesty i don't think that is a very big deal, with games getting borrowed and sold again. I mean people just do it, no one besides the highlander read the terms and policy's in the back. I read the back of the manual for black ops and it says clearly I am not to sell this game again. However i could If i wanted too which I am not going to do. The consumers who paid for thier games should be able to let a friend borrow thier games because they paid for that merchandise already. Also how would blockbuster be able to do business with people, not being able to play a game completly while renting it. Too me after something is paid for, you should be able to sell it again. Like tv and couches I mean, sofa makers are really going to give care when you sell that sofa you bought from them 20 years ago, and they will go to the person that you sold them too and ask for full price on that sofa. It's idiotic and selfish if someone was to do that.

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:33:13 AM

No, that is not true. There would likely be a system similar to PSN bought games. You can use it on up to 5 systems that have your PSN id attached to it. You might trust your friend to allow your PSN id be on his system to download a key or a game, but you sure as heck wouldn't give it to some stranger over EBAY for a quick download. They don't want to limit what you can do with your own fairly purchased piece of hardware-containing-software. They merely wish to limit piracy and transfer of ownership.

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Oxvial
Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 11:29:15 PM
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This is why doing piracy on consoles with the Ps3 those sooooo respected hackers (like some morons call them) are trolling more than giving a service to other gamers.

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Vitron
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:17:23 AM
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I'm sure sony is considering this problem seriously. Serial numbers are not really suitable for consoles and sounds absurd

Sigh... I wish I was a super god-like talented programmer to create a program to stop hacking and viruses forever.

What? We can dream right?

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:23:00 AM
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Sony just announced "PlayStation Suite" and are talking about cross platform gaming, and PlayStation on Android.

So it looks like the PS Phone may not be the only option.

Looks like it's an official PS1 emulation for Android devices.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/27/2011 12:24:09 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:29:06 AM

Apparently it's PSOne games, there's a PlayStation store for Android, and games arrive this year (well, it'd be a bit pointless to announce it now if not...).

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:30:01 AM

Now it's on to NGP - Next Generation Portable. An intriguing name.

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Beamboom
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:30:26 AM

If that is the case then that's a huge score for the android-team in the "android vs iphone"-battle. Not that I ever doubted who the better team was... I've had an android phone a long time already ;)

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:34:20 AM

PSP2 specs;

OLED screen - ** 5-inches **
Twin analogs - micro-analog sticks(?)
Sixaxis motion sensing/control technology
front and rear cameras
touch pad on back
bigger screen
new game media
*Touch screen also*

...more as I can get it...

3G and WiFi
flash memory based.
It looks like a honking big PSP.
Gyrosensor

Available in the Holiday season 2011

They actually said PS3 quality graphics.

Launch games mentioned....

Hot Shots Golf
Killzone
Garvity Daze
LBP
Uncharted!!!
Resistance
Wipeout
something called Little Deviants
Hustle Kings
Smart as Broken (???)

Uncharted is being demo'd on the thing! The trackpad on the back can be used to control Drake in the game.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/27/2011 12:44:37 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:46:37 AM

...more...from Sony

They show a picture of the new PSP in someone's hands, it looks about the same size as the original PSP, but the screen is 5-inches now.

New PSP's design is called super-oval. It's more rounded than the original PSP.

The system doesn't appear to slide open (yet), and the controls are laid out roughly like a PSP except with a second analog mirroring the one on the left of the original PSP.

The rear touch panel is 5 inches on the diagonal - the same as the screen and it is set up so where you touch the panel is where you 'touch' the screen - 1-1 control so to speak.

The NGP (new PSP) looks a bit thinner than the original PSP, more like the current PSP-3000, but it's overall length and width are a bit larger.

New user interface called "Live Area".

Online friends information, tracking, in other words the kinds of things you expect now.

The screen resolution is 960x544 - exactly half the resolution (horizontal and vertical) of 1080p. So it has about 1/4 of the number of pixels of a full HD TV - actually it works out at about 200 pixels per inch, which isn't far off laser printing resolution.

Seems to have a tag mode, and can sense when other players are near by, and what they are playing. Nice for ad-hoc mobile gaming.

Still not enough hardware detail for me....Grrrr!

Last edited by Highlander on 1/27/2011 1:05:21 AM

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:50:10 AM

HIGHLANDER!!! You just made my day, in a hella big way. I was looking for the info, and you deliver! How many thumbs up can I give you?

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:09:03 AM

Demoing the new Hot Shots Golf, they switched to 1st person mode and literally looked around the course by moving the NGP around.

The NGP will play anything playable in PlayStation Suite, so PlayStation suite is a platform independent virtual environment that allows any Android to play, as long as it meets the minimum specs.

NGP (aka PSP2) will also have trophies - yay....

Downloadable PSP titles will work on the NGP.

Capcom, Koei, Konami, Sega, Epic and Activision all onstage at the conference - no doubt showing games and commitment.

Monster Hunter Portable 3rd - downloadable on NGP - being demo'd by Takeuchi-san from CapCom.

Apparently Takeuchi-san hasn't seen the game on a real unit before and is impressed by the visual quality and the feel/control of the analog sticks.

The analog stick in the NGP is a real analogy stick, it actually pivots instead of sliding. Much better feel and control.

Now they're showing Lost Planet running on the NGP. Seems like it's still being polished, but still looks good.

Capcom apparently has other games for NGP in the works.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/27/2011 1:17:56 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:37:33 AM

Yakuza 4
Metal Gear game (MGS4) that uses the same models as MGS4 on PS3.
Kojima says he's working on a game that can be played on PS3 and NGP, so you can take your game with you. This new game will be revealed at E3.

Dungeon Defenders, previously developed for PS3, moved to NGP in a very short time.

Last edited by Highlander on 1/27/2011 1:40:40 AM

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:43:00 AM

It looks like Sony is really stepping up it's game.

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frylock25
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:32:43 AM
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Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog:
We're seeing NGP - dual analogs sticks, 5 inch OLED display, 3G and GPS, front and rear touchpads, electronic compass on 3 axes. Awesome iconography on the back.

pics will be on the blog shortly

the analog sticks are raised not like the psp

"the OLED boasts 4x the resolution of the current PSP"

There are cameras on both the front and rear of the device.

There will be physical media for games, a New Game Media, a flash memory-based card.

"We will also incorporate 3G networks and accessibility in addition to Wi-Fi"

"NGP will be released starting from the holiday season this year"

Last edited by frylock25 on 1/27/2011 12:36:08 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:37:03 AM

image of PSP2...

http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201101/phpgqVje6_thumb_photo4.JPG

Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXoVDJWP12I

Last edited by Highlander on 1/27/2011 12:42:03 AM

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Highlander
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:07:03 AM

Frylock, good information. I didn't see the GPS on my source, but good catch on that, and the compass too.

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spiderboi
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:42:02 AM

22:48 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog: Now Shuhei Yoshida is back, showing "Little Deviants." Wednesday January 26, 2011 22:48 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog
22:48 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog: This colorful game features heavy use of the rear touch panel. HIs finger creates hills that move the characters along. Wednesday January 26, 2011 22:48 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog
22:49 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog: The touchscreen on the back is the same size as the OLED screen, so the location of your finger is mapped directly to the game screen. Wednesday January 26, 2011 22:49 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog
22:49 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog: Tapping the rear of the screen makes characters jump. Yoshida-san is showing multi-touch operation on the rear panel. Wednesday January 26, 2011 22:49 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog
22:50 Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog: Using the front touch panel, he can move the camera around. He's using both touch panels at the same time to do complex moves.

Jeff Rubenstein, PlayStation.Blog: 3 words: Call of Duty

Wow, so we all know a lot will flock NGP (i'm assuming next generation PSP?)

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:45:16 AM
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It's good to see that they're trying to keep this whole hacking debacle under control. On the other hand, if they go to a security key for each game that needs to be verified by the PSN, then I am seven shades of f***ed. These cheap, arrogant c***s need to go back to their basements and let us enjoy our games, rather than forcing measures that will be a heavy detriment to everyone.

I don't give a damn if GeoHot claims that he never intended for his workaround to be used for piracy, because really, what else is hacking used for in most cases? I can understand his defiance and determination after Sony took so many measures to protect the system, but that doesn't make it right, not by a damn long shot. Worthless excuses for human beings. Hackers are little more.
Peace.

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:49:31 AM

Geohot is a sack of monkey crap. Regardless of what he claims his intentions were he must have known this kind of thing would happen.

He knew. And he didn't care. He's acting like he's some kind of patriot or something. But he's just a selfish, despicable troublemaker who doesn't care about anyone but himself and his own ego.

He deserves no mercy and no sympathy for any and all retribution that comes his way.

But of course we're all going to get by in spite of him. Every legitimate purchase we make can be seen as our way of flipping him the finger.

Last edited by Looking Glass on 1/27/2011 7:52:33 AM

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Kai200X
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:50:38 AM
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I'm downloading the patch as I type. I always buy those games I wanted to play new so that won't be a problem for me.

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LividFiction
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:02:18 AM
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Supposedly, the serial-key issue is not only a rumor, but also a 4chan creation: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1960936&cid=34955576

::crosses fingers::

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 5:15:35 AM

4chan... The cesspool of the internet. I hope beyond hope that you're right on this, LividFiction.

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___________
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 2:14:57 AM
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and has already been blown wide open!
oh well, i guess it was good while it lasted!
now to sit back and watch the PSN turn into XBLA.

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mehrab2603
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 2:21:14 AM
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To me both piracy and used game sales are the same.neither is giving the developer any money so i don't understand why people hate piracy but support used game sales. Am i missing something? Can someone please enlighten me?

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 3:55:13 AM

I think that's why many people on here don't support used games sales.

But then, pirates are flat out stealing. At least buying used results in the exchange of money.
Peace.

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 29, 2011 @ 3:06:53 PM

The difference is that if someone buys the game new at release with the intention of reselling it (used games don't appear from thin air) and then someone buys it used and keeps it, the developer has still made a full-price sale to one person.

Moreover, both of the buyers in my example probably wouldn't have bought the game at full price if there was no used market, so the publisher may actually have made a full-price sale that they otherwise would not have (though they might eventually have sold two copies at a reduced price).

The current pattern of games having strong sales at release with little "tail" is shaped by the used games market: not just the quick drop-off, but also the initial "surge".

Last edited by Fane1024 on 1/29/2011 3:11:19 PM

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Looking Glass
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:18:09 AM
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I've already said this before but I believe that the PS3 platform is going to thrive in spite of piracy for a number of reasons. Nevertheless I completely understand why Sony would want to take more steps to protect their products.

And it's not just their products they are protecting. As gamers we depend on the industry for satisfaction. And we also know that piracy by nature is harmful to the industry, and therefore harmful to us. Pirates are nothing but despicable parasites trying to bleed us all dry. But the good news is that we vastly outnumber them. So they can gloat and troll all they want. In the end it won't matter. Even if they did win a battle (and that's still a somewhat large if as I think this article demonstrates), we will win the war.

Last edited by Looking Glass on 1/27/2011 7:20:20 AM

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Dreno
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 8:13:53 AM
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This update pissed me off last night. I had to dl it like 10 times cause it kept saying it was unable to download it...

So my fiance picked me up two worlds 2 last night, so I was trying to sample it before hopping back on ac :brotherhood, that's when I had to dl the update....

Anyways to make a long story short I fell asleep before I could sample my new rpg. But it finally downloaded.

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 8:30:00 AM
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I mentioned the patch on Twitter and some Xbot told me to get rid of the PS3 and buy another 360 to play endless games of Halo/Gears/CoD online. Yeah, that sounds like fun. Amazing how brainwashing works.

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Orvisman
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 9:07:33 AM
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I just learned this GeoHot character is from my state of New Jersey. Maybe those of us in the tristate area should form a lynch mob led by Ben and BikerSaint. ;)

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Deleted User
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:21:19 AM

I'll bet the guy lives in a basement somewhere. A swanky basement since he has $$$ but a basement nonetheless.

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BikerSaint
Friday, January 28, 2011 @ 2:28:16 AM

Orvisman,

Yeah, get geoscumbaghotz's address.

Then we can take a ride down to Fort Mott over at Finns Point & borrow a few cannonballs to shove up his a$$.

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BikerSaint
Friday, January 28, 2011 @ 5:36:36 AM

Sony's restraining order against Geohot has been granted

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/27/sonys-restraining-order-against-geohot-granted/

Everything's coming up Sony. First, the NGP is unveiled to a general chorus of *drool*. Now, PSX-Scene has revealed court documents showing that a district judge granted Sony's temporary restraining order against PS3 hacker George "geohot" Hotz.

Hotz is now barred from "offering to the public, creating, posting online, marketing, advertising, promoting, installing, distributing, providing, or otherwise trafficking" (phew) in any software or methods for circumventing the PS3's protection methods.

No longer can he "provide links from any website to any other website" relating to such matters, or publish any information obtained by hacking the PS3. And more to the point, he can no longer "engage in acts of circumvention of TPMS in the PS3 System to access, obtain, remove, or traffic in copyrighted works."

The court allowed this restraining order to go through despite jurisdiction issues (specifically, Hotz residing in a different state than Sony, and a different state from where the claim was filed), granting specific jurisdiction "because he purposefully directed his activities at the forum state" of California.

The judge ordered that all involved parties meet to set a hearing date regarding Sony's motion for an injunction - and Hotz's motion to dismiss on personal jurisdiction grounds - by February 1, 2011.

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Robochic
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:06:52 AM
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I think my husband updated the console if not I guess that what I need to do this morning, and then I can play more LBP 2 (really addictive) being sick can be fun and not fun lol.

@highlander thanks for the picture on the new psp it's sexy! :) sony has done it again :)

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 10:36:26 AM
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What I find funny is when people who buy used complain about pirates. The whole reason we dislike pirates is because they take away from the publisher. Used game buyers do the same thing... So what's the big deal?

Either it's ok or it's not.

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ChronowerX_GT
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:24:02 PM

Yeah but used game buyers give money to the people who buy new games so it doesn't hurt the industry.

If serials mean you can't sell the games on or buy preowned then Sony can stick it where the sun don't shine. Us people who pay for the games shouldn't lose out because some people don't want to. I know Sony has to run a business but find another way that doesn't give the consumer a negative experience.

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Underdog15
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 12:40:45 PM

How does me buying a game from you instead of the publisher NOT hurt the industry?

And if you go through gamestop, it's even worse going through a giant corporation that doesn't develop anything for the industry.

Gamestop made $2 billion this year in USED sales alone.

That's $2 billion dollars that went to Gamestop instead of publishers and developers. Nevermind any other used sales outside of Gamestop with BestBuy, Amazon, Ebay, et al. And guess what? That hurts the industry.

I'm all for used game sales on titles no longer in print, but if a title is still being manufactured, I hope Used Game Sales perish. Gamestop will give me $30 for a new release used. Then they sell it for $55: only $5 cheaper than brand new.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 1/27/2011 12:43:23 PM

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ChronowerX_GT
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 7:23:49 PM

Well gamestop buys the games. We buy then from gamestop (or gamestation where I'm from). What difference does it make if we buy used or new if you're buying from the middle man? Just because you may buy the latest COD from gamestop, it doesn't mean that, that money is going straight into ordering another copy of COD from the publisher. It might go to Rockstar or Polyphony or any other company.

You could apply your logic to anything else though. Are you saying nothing second hand should be bought? What about if I buy a used car. It isn't benefiting the manufacturer but should it be scrapped even though someone else wants it. If everything was throw away (which sadly it seems like it's getting) then the environment wouldn't last a second.

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 29, 2011 @ 3:18:04 PM

It is a faulty assumption that every used game sale would be a new game sale if there were no used game market.

It is also a faulty assumption that every new game sale which currently occurs would occur if there were no used game market.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 1/29/2011 3:18:17 PM

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THEVERDIN
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 1:10:49 PM
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If you go to the Playstation blog they have pics and all the specs for the NGP

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Eld
Thursday, January 27, 2011 @ 5:29:50 PM
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Piracy won't even leave a dent on ps3, but if Sony decides to annoy consumers to the point game renting and used game sales is not possible... that just might.

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Highlander
Friday, January 28, 2011 @ 2:45:59 AM

As of right now, it doesn't look like they will need to annoy consumers.

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Eld
Friday, January 28, 2011 @ 5:30:56 PM

Probably not. It's just that all this is very messy. In the end everyone will lose more freedom one way or the other, including Sony. These are dark times indeed.

Also, I just read this http://www.gamespot.com/news/6294220.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B1

Of course it's a little too late, but still didn't think it would happen.

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BikerSaint
Friday, January 28, 2011 @ 5:41:35 AM
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Since that new update took so long, I'm wondering if Sony might have just done something along the same lines of what Direct TV did against their hackers....

Each month or so, DirecTV would send an update. 10 or 15 minutes later, the hacking community would update the software to work around the latest fixes. This was the status quo for almost two years. 'H' cards regularly sold on eBay for over $400.00. It was apparent that DirecTV had lost this battle, relegating DirecTV to hunting down Web sites that discussed their product and using their legal team to sue and intimidate them into submission.

"Four months ago, however, DirecTV began sending several updates at a time, breaking their pattern. While the hacking community was able to bypass these batches, they did not understand the reasoning behind them. Never before had DirecTV sent 4 and 5 updates at a time, yet alone send these batches every week. Many postulated they were simply trying to annoy the community into submission. The updates contained useless pieces of computer code that were then required to be present on the card in order to receive the transmission. The hacking community accommodated this in their software, applying these updates in their hacking software.

Not until the final batch of updates were sent through the stream did the hacking community understand DirecTV.

Like a final piece of a puzzle allowing the entire picture, the final updates made all the useless bits of computer code join into a dynamic program, existing on the card itself. This dynamic program changed the entire way the older technology worked. In a masterful, planned, and orchestrated manner, DirecTV had updated the old and ailing technology. The hacking community responded, but cautiously, understanding that this new ability for DirecTV to apply more advanced logic in the receiver was a dangerous new weapon. It was still possible to bypass the protections and receive the programming, but DirecTV had not pulled the trigger of this new weapon.

"Last Sunday night, at 8:30 pm est, DirecTV fired their new gun. One week before the Super Bowl, DirecTV launched a series of attacks against the hackers of their product. DirecTV sent programmatic code in the stream, using their new dynamic code ally, that hunted down hacked smart cards and destroyed them.

The IRC DirecTV channels overflowed with thousands of people who had lost the ability to watch their stolen TV. The hacking community by and large lost not only their ability to watch TV, but the cards themselves were likely permanently destroyed. Some estimate that in one evening, 100,000 smart cards were destroyed, removing 98% of the hacking communities' ability to steal their signal.

And to add a little extrapizzazz to their operation, DirecTV personally "signed" the anti-hacker attack. The first 8 computer bytes of all hacked cards were rewritten to read.....
....."GAME OVER".

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Fane1024
Saturday, January 29, 2011 @ 3:20:56 PM

Sweet.

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