Is Killzone 3 A Disappointing Sequel?

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:38:09 PM
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FYI, this article exists partly to keep everyone here from talking about the KZ3 review scores in other topics. ;)

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PasteNuggs
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:41:26 PM

Sorry Ben. I posted something about this in another topic. Feel free to delete it.

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kellett007
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:19:32 PM

just watched the youtube video and it looks amazing. I can not wait to play this game

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Gregory Freeman
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:17:29 PM

play the beta... its on the store

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Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:43:51 PM

@kellet007

Thanks.This guy's review r very frank.

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kellett007
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:50:17 AM

I just started playing the beta today and I am really liking it but am in to the campaign more. The youtube video showed some new characters that have me very interested in the story

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Teddie9
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:48:49 PM

ah, good, cause late yesterday I read some of the reviews....that the game didn't improve much from KZ2, and I was ready to bring it up here.
I don't think the beta is the best representation for the scores because I hear the multiplayer is still getting the praise it deserves. Personally I think it failed to improve on the one thing it had left, story and creating interesting characters.

Last edited by Teddie9 on 2/4/2011 1:51:12 PM

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xenris
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 9:04:09 AM

I wont say what any particular review site said but a trend that I have noticed is that games like Halo:Reach and Gears of War both have pretty bad stories but for those games you see the review sites brush it off, saying the story isn't that tight but your not playing a shooter for the story its for the game play and set pieces etc. Then KZ3 comes along and....apparently the opposite holds true. Marcus Fenix has the depth of my coffee mug, why can he get away with it but Sev can't? Most of Halos characters aren't that fleshed out either, but I guess that doesn't matter either right?

I like this sites reviews because I feel like its a friend telling me about the game, not some cocky pro gamer journalist who is teh own. I'm mainly tired of inconsistent journalism and the bias I see from the big review sites.

I gained this sites trust when they gave White Knight Chronicles the score it deserved. =)

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PasteNuggs
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:42:30 PM
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I don't think the weight is the issue for the low scores. Everyone I read talk about how they got rid of "floaty" controls and it made it better.

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Neo_Aeon666
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:46:43 PM

The weight of microsoft's **** in their mouth is an issue though XD

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 3:30:07 PM

The 3.5/5 from Joystiq was precisely because Andrew thought the game lost its Killzone-ness (plus a few other things).

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:45:02 PM
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Wait, doesn't this game come out on the 22nd? Why are review scores already posting? Didn't they have a review embargo?

BTW, never been too impressed with the Killzone series. Great games, just not my cup of tea, so I can understand the mixed results.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:29:13 PM

Professional reviews shouldn't ever get low scores because they aren't someone's cup of tea. That's how you know which sites are crap.

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TheAgingHipster
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:06:48 AM

Agreed.

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TheAgingHipster
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:08:24 AM

BTW, love the avatar, WEWM.

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Simcoe
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:32:45 PM

The embargo was lifted on February 3. Plus I ao think the early reviewers got a "review" copy, which isn't the final copy of the game. I wonder how much more polishing and refining continues to occur between the review code, "gold" code and any updates slated for the first day.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:27:18 PM

Thanks Hipster, my little homage to Bioshock. My own personal propaganda poster :)

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 2/4/2011 2:28:24 PM

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 3:34:48 PM

Review copies are often based off the gold master build; they just aren't retail discs.

Even 3 weeks before release, these review builds could very well be final code. It depends when the game went gold, but that usually happens almost a month before the release date.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:45:29 PM
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Perhaps I'm being cynical but in general, most of the big establishment takes marks off ps3 exclusives it seems to me. Doesn't matter how great the game is, the exclusivity of it changes the reception it gets.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:30:00 PM

I think I've read at least one review that claimed a big problem with the game was that it wasn't multiplat.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:03:53 PM

At least their honest with their bias.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:08:59 PM

Correction: I didn't mean that about KZ3, it was a different PS3 exclusive.

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Highlander
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:09:39 AM

Spot on Smokey, spot on. You really hit the nail on the head there. It's getting increasingly tiresome to see the same sites marking PS3 exclusive games down. It's either a slightly biased agenda, or they are literally punishing games for being exclusive, although they apparently have no problem lavishing praise on exclusives for another HD gaming platform...

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kevinater321
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:10:45 PM

I only go here and ign and i don't find the ign review scores to be biased toward the 360, but i usually depend on this site for the more honest score.

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Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:50:48 PM
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Y is there a need to talk about those reviews when the public haven't even experienced the game yet.

Please people watch the Killzone 3 Review by a gamer who has already played the game at this Youtube Channel

Watch this review and get back to me.

youtube/ZeitgeistReview

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:30:45 PM

To be fair the multiplayer beta is open for anyone that wants to try that. It wouldn't help on the story issue but whatever.

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TheShadow
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:18:58 AM

I saw the review and it was a very good review, been playin the beta and its awesome. jUst one thing trhough I have move and been using it in botzone (probably gtet my butt handed in Multiplayer with move) and move is way awesome, takes some time to get used to but its a great alternative.

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Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:38:19 AM

Yeah in the review he said,the move function in Killzone 3 needs a little more work.

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TheShadow
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 12:40:40 PM

true, but its a lot of fun, you just gotta go to options and re-work it for you.

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matt99
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:54:00 PM
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Maybe people are just First Person Shootered out?

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sirbob6
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 9:58:12 PM
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As a KZ fanboy (I'll admit it) I would love to go off on the various forums/comments, but I am restraining myself because I have yet to play the game. It seems slightly unfair for me to attack people without actually knowing anything about the game. However I will be more than happy to when the game comes out and I bask in it's awesomeness.

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Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:09:04 PM

Yeah right y do we care abut the review's if we still haven't played the game.So many people make this mistake and don't play the game.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:32:10 PM

Reviews are supposed to be indicative of the quality and thus inform the public as to where to put their cash.

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Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:31:26 PM

@world
But the world is made up of mostly complaining idiots who bash on these masterpieces.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:42:29 PM

I would not have it so.

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sirbob6
Monday, February 07, 2011 @ 7:24:59 PM

Well the way I look at it, the reasons we care are split 50/50.
50% is that it is what people look at to decide wither people will buy it. The other 50% is that it helps us rationalize our idea, that being KZ3 is pure awesomeness.

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sha4dowknight05
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:04:38 PM
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I love the beta i liek how they fixed the gun movment as it is like cod now. I find it a mixture of killzone universe with cod gameplay mixed in a bit. However this will be a purchase for me!!!!!! Framereate is poor however.

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Shams
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:07:56 PM
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Titles that are top of their game, but are purely of a particular genre typically do garner a spectrum of such scores. Fans of the genre will recognize the excellence found therein, while others often will pick at things that are simply part & parcel of the genre: "It's too linear, "it's a pretty shooting gallery", etc... Moreover, reviewers predisposed to having such impressions are often swayed by them regarding other things. A fan will say the story and voice-acting is better, while a naysayer won't even take notice, or more even say the opposite. A person who enjoyed the mp of the prequel will appreciate and praise the improvements in the sequel's mp, where as someone who doesn't care for mp might not even try or consider the offering when assigning the game a score.

So with games like these, it's more telling to read the reviews individually, than to rely simply on the "general consensus".

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sha4dowknight05
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:10:50 PM
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However I must say the reviews are very fair. I must address the main issues of:

- Bad framerate
- Need more weapons to balance both fractions
- menu can use retouching
- more customizable

there is many more i can list but those are the ones i can think off the top of my head now. But really it is not a bad game and everyone should give this a try!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:34:45 PM

If the framerate comes out bad on the final product I blame 3D.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:50:36 PM

I haunt read one review about bad frame rate. All I've ears is praise that I never drops except in one circumstance. And most just let that go. But well see when it drops!

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Xombito
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:44:24 AM

+1. Any framerate issues seem to be isolated to local two player co-op. Kind of understandable. And for the reviewers who did see the game in 3-D gave it praise and mentioned no framerate hitches.

Last edited by Xombito on 2/4/2011 2:45:50 AM

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sha4dowknight05
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:46:12 PM

I don;t have 3-d i wish i did. However no matter what the beta had a bad framerate. Until I get my copy we'll see. I just hope the final product doesn't have it.

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Xombito
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 11:03:58 PM

I'm not sure if you were having problems with your system or if the private beta had a bad framerate if you had access to it but I played the public beta just now and didn't notice anything wrong with the framerate. I mean, its no 60 frames per sec. but it runs pretty smooth to me.

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Victor321
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:14:15 PM
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For me, KZ3 is a D1P regardless of reviews and scores. KZ2 was one of the best PS3 exclusives that I experienced, so although I may sound biased (adding to that, I'm a Killzone fan), there's nothing anyone can say that will cause me to decide against buying it.

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FM23
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:54:29 PM

Right...I could care less for any other release before the summer if KZ3 isn't in my possession.

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Fane1024
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 3:39:13 PM

How much less could you care? A little? A lot?

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mexgeo86
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:18:50 PM
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I'm normally not a fan of FPS titles but I downloaded the beta and had a great time playing it. Controls feel very balanced and responsive; the pacing is quick but not too fast and it looks very good. Definitely gonna be a week 1 purchase.

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HighOnFire
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:24:24 PM
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I could really care less what any of the sites say. I remember when KZ2 came out and a couple sites gave it a low score and thats where all the traffic went. They know exactly what theyre doing. F*ck em. I just spent three hours in a Helgast snowstorm on a one map beta that was better than Black Ops entire broken multiplayer.

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TheShadow
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:21:29 AM

A MEN

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Bugzbunny109
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:35:25 PM
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Well, considering that most of those "reviewers" that gave it an 8.5 and below are not very playstation frendly, calls for little concern. For example, IGN gave Mass Effect 2 a 9.5 because it came out a year late on ps3. They also gave Uncharted 2 a 9.5 without stating one fault with it. If you look at the other websites, you will find similar things. I KNOW Killzone 3 will be amazing; so I won't worry about these so called "reviewers". I will get the Killzone 3 review from here ;)

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aaronisbla
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:27:50 AM

to be fair, IGN scored the ps3 version of Mass Effect 2 less simply because now they grade on a .5 grade scale, meaning no more 9.7s or things of that nature. So that wasn't because of bias

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Beamboom
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:37:44 PM

9.5 is like a STELLAR score. Next to perfection. To accuse anyone for being biased against a game because they do not hand out perfect ten's without explaining themselves is so stupid it borders to fanaticm, pardon my french.

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:46:19 PM

@aaronisbla
I am the only who believes that IGN's "Final Verdict" is a summary of a game's pros and cons? IGN stated that Mass Effect 2's delayed launch date was a con; then gave the game a 9.5. Considering that the other points were positive, and the reviewer praised the game throughout the review, it would make sense to think that Mass Effect 2's year late launch was the cause of the 9.5 instead of a 10. The game’s launch date has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the game, and should not affect the score of the game. This leads me to believe that there is some bias in the review.

@Beamboom
Giving any type of score without proper justification is completely unprofessional. As a reader, I expect a reviewer to dictate a game's quality and WHY he or she believes it deserves a particular score. A statement is worthless without support. I also expect a reviewer to state the pros and cons of a game in his or her review. Henceforth, if a reviewer only discusses the positive aspects of a game, it causes me to conclude that the game is a perfect 10/10. If it receives anything different from this score, it will lead me to believe that there is either some degree of bias; or the reviewer is not very good at his or her job.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:39:43 PM
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Okay, I don't HAVE to play the game to know it isn't a 3.5. What the f*ck is going on in this world?

Anyway, it doesn't matter because I'm sure the game is cream of the crop. I'm getting it when I have the cash. And let's face it, haters are always gonna hate on the best. We know we'll get an up front review here at PSXE and that's what counts. Nevermind those who exist to pull down Metacritic and rake in "rage hits".

Some people say that a review is just one person's "opinion" on the game. Well, it shouldn't be, but that is becoming a reality when it comes to PS3 exclusives. Why? Well, you figure it out.

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carl0975
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:49:46 PM

Well, joystiq's reviews are out of 5 stars, but a 3.5 still only equates to a 7 out of 10, which I doubt is accurate.

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Alienange
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:57:12 PM

One of the reasons it got a 3.5 is because GG has made it control more like CoD. It's a complaint I've read many times around here.

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bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:14:37 AM

It doesn't matter what the controls are like it'll get docked. People hated it when it was too heavy, now reviewers are complaining they went away from the weighty feel. What can GG do?

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Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:39:53 AM

That's only true if you're jumping all over the internet. Joystiq, who gave this score, praised KZ2. So it's no surprise that they didn't like the change.

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bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:23:28 AM

Well I understand that. I also loved the weighty feel of KZ2, but the change doesn't tell me I should say the games any better or worse, but the difference is obviously noticeable, but the controls are far more precise this time around.

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Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:38:44 AM

I never felt strongly either way about the weighty controls. I liked them in KZ2. Now having played the KZ3 beta demo I will say it feels different because of the change. I couldn't demerit the game for it as it was more of a user preference issue rather than a fundamental one. I still can't get over how good it looks 0.o

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Neo_Aeon666
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:41:45 PM
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Same thing happened with GT5. And alot of PS3 exclusives. Would have been a 360 exclusive and IGN woulda given it a 10 as well as gamespot and other fanboy websites... And some other more PS3 oriented websites might have given it lower. Sucks that IGN and gamespot are some of the most viewed websites with their poor intellect. Most reviews from them are trash and they don't even know half of the features of the game they are reviewing and still bash on it just for the sake of looking cool or something.

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Temjin001
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:45:16 PM
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I keep trying to understand the lesser than stellar scores and it just doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I don't buy any sort of organized conspiracy theory to trash PS3 exclusives. And in Edge magazine's case, it's not a theory, they are statistically biased when it comes to PS3 exclusives--for whatever purpose I don't know.

Many of the reviews I've looked at seem to speak very positively about the game. Like it's one heck of a ride shooter with a somewhat weak and boring story. But the soft scores just don't seem to matching the body of the reviews. Everyone seems to agree the game looks great, plays great, has a strong multiplayer component and is an all around top notch product. Since when did FPS stories create a crater sized hole in a score? Gametailers was one of the few I saw that made no bones that the story wasn't great but didn't let that point destroy it's overall score.

A few thoughts are running through my mind. And no, I'm not going to jump on the 360 fanboy'ism bandwagon of petty hatreds as a theory.
So are critics becoming disillusioned by FPS games? That this convoluted over saturated genre just isn't doing enough to impress them? If KZ3 released during a launch window of the PS3 I'm sure it would've garnered very high marks even with a not so incredible story. Do people remember the 2D fighter craze Street Fighter 2 kicked off on SNES over a decade ago? Or the platformer craze from Mario;s NES/SNES days? Newer, fundamentally, "better" games released, but over time the demand and interest for these types diminished and the fad receded and the genres were restored to their proper place in the gaming pantheon.
I have a theory that maybe this is where FPS is headed. After 6+ years of FPS overload, we're beginning to see the bubble burst and the fad recede. This may be a good thing for the industry, after all.

As for myself, KZ3 looks like more than what I expected and I can't wait to play it no matter how desensitized the critics have become.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:06:55 PM

I think the bubble will burst soon, but not yet. We aren't there yet. The next CoD will still score higher than KZ3 at most sites despite being the same game in a new wrapper.

As far as I'm concerned about the story in an FPS is that it hardly matters at all. They are all essentially the same. I think people are just used to the schizophrenic switching of characters all over the world and are so damn twitchy that without picking up a new gun every 30 seconds or jumping into somebody elses boots every fifteen minutes they might somehow get bored to death.

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Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:49:41 AM

Black Ops got an aggregate 87 (x360) and an 88 (PS3) on Metacritic. IGN gave it an 8.5
Right now KZ3 has an 87 aggregate. The next CoD is being patch worked together.
Really, CoD has lost it's elitist stature with the critics over the past year, or so. This only fuels my belief that the FPS genre in general is nose diving with critics as the genre continues to over saturate.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:01:01 AM

Don't forget Respawn's soon to be announced FPS. I can't wait until the whole genre just crashes like the stock market did.

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Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:53:55 AM

oh, I forgot another genre that flatlined after being over baked. The Tony Hawk craze. Last gen Tony Hawk games tore it up with near perfect reviews. Game after game they were some of the highest reviewed, and great selling, games. They spawned clones like Aggressive Inline and BMX. After THPS4 the series began a slight decline with critical acclaim. Now, Best Buy practically can't give away that stupid newer THPS game that comes with that crap looking skateboard prop.
Granted, THPS never spawned a competitive online market the same way as Halo and CoD did, but it does show that some genres can over stay their welcome.

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sawao_yamanaka
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:59:27 PM

Don't forget temjin the reason tony hawk tanked was when Skate was released so going back to unrealistic controls was worse. Tony hawk couldn't compare to skate.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:47:57 PM
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Demo
Demo
Demo
Demo

Sorry for the spam, but man I keep telling you. ALL GAMES SHOULD HAVE DEMOS.

Reviews are meaningless these days.

Fact

I do respect psxe's reviews, but even then a demo is the final word for me. And that's how it should be for everyone.

I can still vividly remember the 8s MGS4 got.

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:18:30 PM

The problem is that for me, demos rarely represent properly either. They have technical problems and give you no real idea of what the actual experience will be like in terms of narrative and maybe even gameplay.

For me in the end I just go by the developers involved, and what the game actually is setting out to do. Does the tone, setting interest me and actually watch interviews with the developers themselves.

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Alienange
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:58:57 PM

Demos are garbage. The day I base my purchases on demos is the day games don't drop to $20 after six months.

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bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:07:13 AM

Yea I mean demos are ok. But a lot of times they make a great game bad. For instance I hated the dead space demo. Thought it was terrible. That was round the time it released. Well since dead space 2 was coming out I finally decided to disregard that demo and try the retail version of dead space. Guess what I absolutely loved it! And even though I didn't necessarily hate the KZ2 demo it absolutely didn't highlight the game by any means.

But I can't disagree that a demo is useful in getting a taste I guess...

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 2/4/2011 12:09:58 AM

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Scarecrow
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:33:38 AM

They gotta stop uploading year old builds of the games.

That's the problem with all these demos you guys are complaining about.

But when a demo is done right (release build) it truly does the job in terms of showing you if you'll like the game or not.

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SmokeyPSD
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:15:59 AM

Yeah but the problem is most of the time demos need to be done that way. Your playing a early preview of the game, early. Unless you get a demo months after release your going to get a early version fullstop. That's just how it is to get the demo out. Demos just plain take up time of the developers which in my opinion is wasted.

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hiverious
Monday, February 07, 2011 @ 4:10:57 AM

I do remember the demo for Killzone 2 nearly turned me off buying the game. There was a noticeable input lag way beyond what the final product had and I was afraid it had stayed in when reviewers were talking about said lag. But when I got the game, I fell in love with the weighty feel of the controls.

I also remember EA releasing a Brutal Legend demo that almost completely misrepresented the game. Demos are just another marketing strategy and are not necessarily safe to trust.

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Auntie Phanboi
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 10:57:41 PM
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Are PS3 owners so sensitive, that they can't look at an exclusive game objectively any more? PS3 focused sites giving way above the curve scores to exclusives kind of looks like damage control. I hope this site isn't like that.

At least OPM had the good sense to give GT5 an 8.

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King James
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:09:47 PM

you're in luck. This site isn't like that.

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matt99
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:10:47 PM

I know what you mean, but don't forget the bias happens on all sides. The best thing you can do really is find a site or even specific reviewer who has similar taste as you and stick with them, because one can talk about the technical flaws or attributes all they want but in the end everyone has their own preferences and reasons as to why some games just "click".

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SmokeyPSD
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:15:17 PM

Are other console owners and critics so protective they can't remain objective over exclusives not for them? Two sides boyo

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Scarecrow
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:48:14 PM

Auntie, simmer down and understand that lies are not acceptable.

Many of these big sites flat out lie and spread erroneous information in their reviews.

A lot of them don't even understand what a genre is about.

Just look at the sites that gave MGS4 7s and 8s.

You can ask anyone who has actually played GT5 past the 10 hour mark that the game is not an 8, and more of a 9-10.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:56:05 PM

Considering that PS3 exclusives rarely get any "objective reviews" from many major sources these days, maybe you're complaining about the wrong thing.

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Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:24:06 AM

The fact that you think OPM had "Sense" to give GT5 an 8, tells me you have no credibility and are clearly among the folks who don't understand the genre as a whole.

You really need to find a better example than GT5. It's stupid excellent.

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Hezzron
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:59:58 AM

@Scarecrow - I'm seriously curious. What sites gave MGS4 7? I've been looking and can't find them.

I would of ripped them a new one over that back then.

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Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:03:51 PM

If you check Metacritic you'll see NONE of them did. It's just Scarecrow being over the top again.

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Teddie9
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:03:19 PM

@Auntie
you haven't been here long have you?

Why would you be here if your argument is that general critics are more accurate and that sites like psx give overrated scores.

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King James
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:08:37 PM
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Can't wait to buy KZ3!!!

I saw G4tv knocking it b/c the lacking co-op. I can't remember the last AAA fps that has an outstanding co-op to go w/ the single player. And a couple ppl a actually making a big deal outta the Move controls and how they're not better than the controller. Why would they be? Its motion control.

Anyway I read enuff outta those reviews to no that I'll love KZ3 just like I loved KZ2. So i don't care about the 8.5 scores. Nothing bad about a 17/20. But that 3.5 that Joystiq gave it is a lil' fishy...could be some KZ animosity there.

Plus, reviews nowadays (esp. from the big sites) have a formula for scoring games now. They rarely just play that game and give it a score. The analyze that graphics, the presentation, the story, the sound, the characters, etc. This is fine but what generally happens is the review gets hung up on one small part of the whole and knocks the overall game score down a pt or two. They never just give a score that reflects how much fun the game is.

I mean knocking KZ3 for story is just dumb. NO ONE DOES THIS FOR THE CODs GAMES!!! NO ONE DID IT FOR HALO 2 & 3. Look I like the KZ universe but after KZ2 I knew that story isn't Guerilla's strong pts. Am I disappointed that they came with a weak story again? Yes. Will that make me knock the game for it? NO.

<If I ever talked w/ a bad reviewer>
Did you have fun playing the game, reviewer? You did?! Great!...wait y does your review score say 3.5?...The co-op sucked? The move controls weren't as good as the regular controls? What about the stuff ppl care about like the single player campaign, the multiplayer, the awesome set prices, the graphics, and the overall fun factor? That was all great?!!! So why did u score....? Nevermind. *sigh* Thanks, reviewer.

Last edited by King James on 2/3/2011 11:31:27 PM

11 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:10:34 PM

That's the stuff I speak of when I'm saying there is something clearly going on behind the scenes. I'm not all "Hey if you don't give this a 10 you are a fanboy" but a 3.5? That's like Quantum Theory and Naughty Bear territory.

4 up, 1 down

Lenoxseer
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:18:47 PM

They were just upset because it was better than their 'mighty' Call of Duty.

5 up, 1 down

PorkChopGamer
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:54:22 PM

Joystiq rates on a 5 point scale so 3.5 = 7. Low but not as bad as you're thinking.

Last edited by PorkChopGamer on 2/3/2011 11:56:10 PM

1 up, 1 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:57:38 AM

They do use a 5 point scale? I stand corrected on that point then. A 5 point scale can hardly grasp the nuance in games anyway. And if that translates to a 7, a 7 is usually a game that nobody would have much fun with anyway.

4 up, 0 down

Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:39:58 AM

As far as my interests are concerned a 7 might as well be a 4 or 1 or 6. It's basically too crappy for me to care.

3 up, 1 down

TheShadow
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:38:20 AM

the motion controls are not to replace the regular controller-their to give you an ALTERNATIVE. I love the motion control for KZ3 and will be using it during the campaign.

An example:

If someone got 2 copies of Uncharted 3 (yes uncharted 3) and one copy had move controls and the other did not, would you lower the score of the one with move controls cause their "not as good as the regular controls"

to me thats like saying: Here's the best racing game EVER, Perfect, no flaws what so ever, also their is a story.....an average but good story....you going to lower the score because of that?

1 up, 0 down

LittleBigMidget
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:10:09 PM
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I played KZ3...I'm disappointed. I mean, they totally made the game noob and COD friendly...sorry GG, I'll stick with KZ2.

3 up, 8 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:11:08 PM

If a review said they marked it down for being CoD friendly I'd actually buy that reason.

6 up, 0 down

Fane1024
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 3:49:21 PM

That's precisely what the 3.5/5 review said.

0 up, 0 down

AshT
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:10:47 PM
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what is going on with the review for PS3 exclusives, why are they so biased?

7 up, 2 down

main_event05
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:15:49 PM
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Its possible. Sometimes its just hard to top what you did before. I've never played KZ some i'm not entirely sure what was done, but I've heard nothing but good things about it.

0 up, 1 down

Lenoxseer
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:16:48 PM
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I can tell just by playing the Beta that it is full of epic gameplay. The AI was just amazing. Something other developers should take note of.

4 up, 0 down

godsman
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:23:44 PM
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I think gametrailers is a bit biased favoring the 360, but even that, they still gave a 7 to the story of killzone 3. Even so, they still manage to give them a 9.4 overall. There may be some truth to the bad story telling that other reviewers may not like.

1 up, 1 down

Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:34:25 PM

So ur not going to play the story urself and see if their true or false?

4 up, 0 down

Scarecrow
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:50:28 PM

Kiryu! Now that's how real men approach games.

Instead of going by sites "reviews" it's better to actually go by experiencing the game yourself.

Another alternative is to ask close friends. Why would close friends lie?

But ultimately one's experience should be the final word.

We all know these sites get it wrong when they give COD 9s and 10s

4 up, 2 down

Hezzron
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:34:56 PM
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Most sites are reporting numerous issues concerning KZ3. The one that I'm paying most attention to is "story", which is being called out for being worse than KZ2. This is greatly disappointing because Guerrilla promised to rectify that.

Seeing as how playing through KZ2's story made me feel like I was being beaten over the head with a "stupid stick", I'm not too eager for this one.....besides, I have enough shooters for now.

0 up, 9 down

Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:45:15 PM

So ur not going to play the story urself and see if their true or false?
Yeah like name another shooter with fun multiplayer and singleplayer shooter with a better story.

5 up, 3 down

booze925
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:35:40 AM

call of duty 4 modern warfare

5 up, 2 down

Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:34:57 AM

LOL!

Never finished CoD4: MW.

1 up, 5 down

Godslim
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:38:14 AM

couldnt aggree more booze!

3 up, 2 down

Hezzron
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:59:12 AM

@Kiryu - I'm certainly not the type to buy a game new at a $60 launch price, just to see if certain reviews are "true or false".

4 up, 1 down

BeezleDrop
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:14:54 PM

Yep, we get it Booze your the biggest cod fanboy on this site how lame.

Last edited by BeezleDrop on 2/4/2011 1:17:40 PM

1 up, 5 down

Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:47:14 PM

What? 3 people disagree that I didn't finish the game?

It's true! I didn't! ;p

2 up, 4 down

booze925
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:42:38 PM

@BeezleDrop
im a battlefield fanboy now, but i fondly remember cod4 was the game some multiplayer games took a tip or two from, and the SP was not a ridiculous plot hole fest like mw2. it was legit, had heart pounding set pieces, and had a down to earth story.
it was the last truly great call of duty.

1 up, 0 down

hiverious
Monday, February 07, 2011 @ 4:23:40 AM

Having read most of the reviews on metacritic, I can say that they're all over the place when it comes to story. True many say the story is awful, but what makes the story awful? "It's the Helghast power struggle! It's painfully stupid and hammy. At least Sev and co.'s story is fun in an action movie way." vs. "It's the portions that deal with Sev and co. because they feel like stupid and dull action movies. The segments dealing with the politics on Helghan are the truly entertaining parts that almost save the campaign story." There seems to be a split, really. It seems like if you enjoy slimy political posturing and brainless summer action movies, the campaign may not be that bad after all.

In any case, almost all reviews went on to say the pacing and gameplay more than made up for the perceived shortcomings in the story. Rico's been toned down too, and I remember him being a major sticking point for the Killzone 2 story. Why not give it a try after a price drop?

0 up, 0 down

Gregory Freeman
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:36:28 PM
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going through the beta for 2 hours straight, and i've found numerous glitches... i went to melee a guy and right when i stuck my combat knife through his eye, he shoots me and i die, And he still had the knife in him..

also when i'm using the infiltrator X3 unlock 'Perk' i'm supposed to melee without breaking cover, but yet i do... aswell, i get hooked on crates and walls often...

where do i go to report these errors to Guerilla??

0 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:43:33 PM

I dunno Gregory, usually the closed beta participators are the ones asked about these things so hopefully many already addressed your issues. Perhaps there is a forum on the GG website.

4 up, 0 down

Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:46:57 PM

Watch this guy's review on

youtube/ZeitgeistReview

This guy replies to one of the comments,says

"I already played the online multiplayer. Quite balanced and not laggy at all."

5 up, 0 down

Deleted User
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:44:13 PM
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Who cares about reviews? The only review that matters is mine.

7 up, 0 down

Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:47:27 PM

That's Right.I hope the world understands this.

4 up, 0 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:54:38 PM

Your review can't be done until you've paid $60.

13 up, 0 down

Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:19:40 AM

@ben

That's y i look to this website ben.When can u put up your review?

3 up, 0 down

Scarecrow
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:34:51 AM

A demo = best alternative.

1 up, 4 down

Shams
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:36:14 AM

@Ben, lol, I was about to say; "unless you get a review copy mailed to you, might as well do some research."

3 up, 0 down

GuyverLT
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:11:25 PM

Rent 1st, then buy later if you like it enough. works like a charm.

3 up, 0 down

Nlayer
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:51:39 PM

Guyver might be on to something...I might have to start trying that.

One of the main reasons I want to buy KZ3 is because I'd like to have such a game in my collection. Whenever we get to all downloadable media, then I might skip a lot of games. :[

1 up, 0 down

BTNwarrior
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:44:45 PM
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its funny I read the review on 1up and one of their complaints was that the characters weren't cussing as much as they were in KZ2

2 up, 0 down

hiverious
Monday, February 07, 2011 @ 4:25:58 AM

There's just no winning for GG is there?

0 up, 0 down

WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:45:10 PM
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Everybody, just prepare yourselves, no STEEL yourselves for when Last Guardian drops cuz that game is gonna pull in the hate big time for being epic. Sixes across the board are likely. I warned you.

7 up, 0 down

Kiryu
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:48:55 PM

Uncharted Series,Yakuza Series,Team Ico Games are the 3 series which i go buy day one without reading any reviews because i know they are already Epic!

6 up, 0 down

Scarecrow
Thursday, February 03, 2011 @ 11:52:31 PM

"The game has no action." -IGN
"You're doing the same thing" -Gamespot
"It's nothing new" -Gamespot
"The graphics are not that impressive" -IGN

It's predictable

5 up, 5 down

Lotusflow3r
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:54:43 AM

I actually think the opposite, i think it's going to be one of the highest rated games of the gen, just like the other two.

They'll mark it highly to say "hey! look, we GET art.....are we cool?", though.

2 up, 0 down

TheShadow
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:42:57 AM

Read my mind, that ticks me off.

If TLG is as good and deep as something like Heavy rain (story wise) and gameplay wise (gameplay as in- a new type of gameplay) then these people should not review.

I heard so much about SOTC and I am getting the collection day one.

1 up, 0 down

King James
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:42:14 PM

LOL @ World

This game is a 6/10 for its "epic-ness" and trying to make me feel things like emotion.

0 up, 0 down

Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:07:41 AM
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Well... you've managed to draw out all the sensitive PS3 fanboys with this article. I mean look at this. Nobody here has played the game and yet the reviews are wrong. Where's all the "Since when is an 8.5 a bad score" comments?

6 up, 7 down

bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:18:04 AM

8.5 are not bad at all. That's a score I'll usually use as my day one purchasing medium.

Here's my problem with those scores though. The reviewers are saying KZ3 is great, it's a beast, and that the graphics are amazing. The only negative is the story but how can the story be completely enticing to many reviewers yet justify docking the game 1.5 points for others? That's my issue. These lower scores particularly the 7's are not justifying the score. Only saying great things about the game but those things not reflecting in the final score. Don't make much sense to me.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 2/4/2011 12:18:22 AM

4 up, 0 down

Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:18:24 AM

Since when is an 8.5 a bad score?

4 up, 1 down

Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:48:09 AM

The reviews I'm reading are saying more than that. So the story's not fantastic after all, so what? How does it play? Well, apparently there's a lot of gimmickry in it. Which to me is believable considering GG felt it necessary to add 3D and Move support along with the now tired jetpack mechanic.

Then there's the issue of graphics don't make the game. A shooter relies heavily on the weapons on offer and fun scenarios to use them in. I'm seeing a lot of praise over the graphics but the gameplay, which is being described in a lot of detail, is kinda boring. The choice of weapons is being blamed along with many "on rails" levels that are just there to showcase graphics, but are boring for the player.

It looks to me like there's plenty to think about before dropping $60 for just another shooter.

2 up, 9 down

bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:26:52 AM

Yeah I'm not reading what you are then. Simple as that. But That's ok cus I'm buying the game regardless. As I've said an 8.5 is worthy of a purchase any day!

4 up, 0 down

Hezzron
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:11:15 AM

KZ3 doesn't seem to be an awful game by any means. I see an 8.5 and I'm thrilled for it. I find it amusing that fanboys insist that PS3 exclusives score a 9.something, and if it doesn't, then out come the conspiracies.

Also when games are scored by critics, they don't all start with a "10", then proceed to dock 1.5 for deficiencies. There's a bigger picture to the overall score.

3 up, 1 down

Highlander
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:20:33 AM

The tired jetpack mechanic?

It's tired now? Really? So, how many jetpacks were there in KZ2? are there a lot of jetpacks in CoD games?

Come on, that's just snobbery on your part.

7 up, 0 down

Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:24:30 PM

You MUST be joking TheHighlander. You're naming KZ2 and CoD as proof of my snobbery?

Honestly, are you even a gamer?

0 up, 6 down

Highlander
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:08:03 PM

Well, you're the one claiming jetpacks are tired. I simply asked you for some evidence to support that assertion. So, why are jetpacks such a tired mechanic?

5 up, 0 down

aaronisbla
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:55:14 PM

i didn't realize that jetpacks have been featured in just about every fps game to make it a tired feature....

4 up, 0 down

Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:02:08 PM

Well, I can't think of a single game with Jetpacks... I suppose the old MechWarrior games had jumpers... Halo KIND-of has them...

It's definitely not old or tired though...

Sound wike somewun's a wittle bit cwanky!

3 up, 0 down

Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:05:27 PM

Tired. As in it's been over 25 years of seeing jetpacks and using jetpacks in videogames.

Do you really need examples?

0 up, 4 down

Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:38:38 PM

no more tired than you know... using a gun...

"Honestly, are you even a gamer?"

Wow... You're hard cooooOOOOOOOoooooorrreee...

3 up, 0 down

Lairfan
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:39:12 PM

Yes, I believe we'd all like several examples of jetpacks being used prominently in FPS's (not the gaming industry as a whole, just in the FPS genre specifically), enough to make them a "tired mechanic".

1 up, 0 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:59:53 PM

Yeah, I'd like some examples, please.

I've probably sampled more games than all of you combined, and I can't remember the last time I used a jet pack.

Oh wait, you could get one in GTA: San Andreas, I remember. Does that count?

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 2/4/2011 9:00:33 PM

3 up, 0 down

bigrailer19
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 1:48:29 AM

LBP ;)

1 up, 0 down

Fane1024
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 4:01:37 PM

Tribes (FPS?).

Not that I agree they're "tired".

0 up, 0 down

JonahFalcon
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:38:45 AM
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Magazines devoted to the PS3 scored Killzone 3 highly?

GASP!!!

2 up, 15 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:41:55 AM

...does that include GameTrailers and GameZone?

12 up, 0 down

Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:52:56 AM

even crazy Destructoid has managed to puill it through for PS3 gamers. 100% for both KZ3 and GT5.

I've been playing the KZ3 open beta just now (it's on PSN go get it!) and dang the graphics are amazing. They added the fine close up texture work to the character models. Now you can see fine threaded looking clothing up close. The game is gorgeous and easily an improvement over KZ2.

8 up, 1 down

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:54:36 AM

Of course Destructoid did that. It's a score that will turn heads amidst controversy.

...it's sort of what they do, for better or worse.

10 up, 4 down

aaronisbla
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:40:39 AM

i remember Jim saying he was a huge kz2 fanboy, and i will say this, his review was informative for a change lol.

3 up, 1 down

Bloodysilence19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:04:45 AM
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i cant believe the game is already being reviewed were barley in feb. i don't think any site should review the game until the day the game comes out or alteast a week before. the sites like ign giving it 8.5 its a good score but its at-least 9. some review sites complaints on the game are just stupid. like gamespot saying its the same game over again. ok so is all the halo games and cod games yet they never complain. g4 complained cause the move controls weren't good, omg really. its motion control of course it wont be good. review sits are just nip picking the crap out these game, its ridicules. hate to see what ign gamespot, gt, etc give uc3 when it comes out, tech its the same as uc2 just different story, and improve game play mechanics.

4 up, 0 down

___________
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:20:59 AM
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ABSOLUTELY!
hell, i could of given you the answer a year ago!
im sorry, but it looks like they have really improved nothing on this game, added things they did not need, changed things that should of not been changed and thats about it!
i think gamespots review sums it up perfectly!
2 steps forward, but 2 steps back.
looks better than 2, but then thats not exactly a compliment, thats like saying a kick to the chest is better than a kick to the balls.
neither is ideal!

3 up, 20 down

bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:39:19 AM

How is it looking better than KZ2 not a compliment? KZ2 set the bar for FPS graphics and to this day is one of the best looking games on consoles.

Your outta ur mind man...

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 2/4/2011 1:40:22 AM

13 up, 0 down

aaronisbla
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:44:45 AM

name a console fps game that looks better currently...

10 up, 0 down

maxpontiac
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:02:34 AM

Your "kick" analogy was not only a poor choice, but as Bigrailer said, improving on KZ2's graphics is quite the accomplishment.

10 up, 0 down

___________
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:15:01 AM

not looking better graphically, looking better as in looking like a better game.
why does everything have to be taken so literal here?

1 up, 12 down

maxpontiac
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:53:15 AM

Well, here is a suggestion. Use capitalization in your sentences.

That might help.

10 up, 0 down

bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:55:39 AM

Your still outta your mind. Wether it looks like it'll be a better game than 2 or looks better graphically than 2 both are very high achievements. Last I heard KZ2 was an amazing FPS. I mean I'd tell you how I feel about it but I'll let the majority speak for me. KZ2 was a very good game.

5 up, 0 down

jaybiv
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:52:29 AM
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KZ3 in 3D is the icing on the cake. I don't think I can play it in 2d anymore.

4 up, 0 down

BTNwarrior
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:25:11 AM

I really wish I had a 3d tv, and they got a 73 inch one on amazon for 1200 that has got me seriously considering buying one

3 up, 0 down

leatherface
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:42:25 AM

@BTNwarrior
ti yub ti yub ti yub

0 up, 1 down

Wrote
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:11:14 AM
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how can anyone knock this for being the same as kz2? by that logic every cod since 2 on the xbox at launch should be going down in score every year but there not really, they all get 9s accross the board it seems. but fear not, it seems some sights are waiting for the retail copy, I wouldn't be surprised if ben can review it but is just waiting. I mean isnt the beta thats out now supposed to help the actual game? well its not done yet so when the game comes out im sure it'll be great.

like a lot of the ppl around here I've noticed all sorts of negative ps3 bias goin around the web, gt5 wasn't the 1st but it was a big one. in fact my best friend doesn't understand why I have gt5, he never actually played it either. so yeah im sticking with this sight for reviews, and since I get game informer them to, but even they kinda suck at reviews sometimes. also word of mouth decides my games.

peace out ppl

3 up, 0 down

Lawless SXE
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:57:04 AM
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A mid-range eight is hardly disappointing. Particularly when compared to some of the reviews that the original KZ received. I have read a couple of the reviews, and they praised the graphics, the fact that you're never doing the same thing for too long, and the overall immersion of the game, making it feel like a real war. But, they take away points because of a weak, predictable story.

I mean, it's a war story. There have to be good guys and bad guys. There has to be a reason for the actions of the characters. There has to be conflict. Besides, since when have FPSes ever had great stories? Bioshock was the exception rather than the rule. I've never heard of anyone praising CoD because of the story. The same largely goes for MoH. Resistance is better than most, IMO, because of the mystery of the Chimera. The story of Singularity was a pretext for the time mechanics.

I mean, sure, the story has to be taken into consideration, but only compared to what else is out there in the same genre, rather than by any failed ambition on the part of the developers. If the rest of the game is as stellar as the reviewers are saying, why take off a point, or more, because the story isn't as good as Uncharted, or MGS? At no point was I expecting all that much out of the story. There's no precedent for it.

I'll play, and enjoy, the game for what it is, not what it is hyped to be. Now give us a trustworthy review PSXE.
Peace.

6 up, 0 down

Jed
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:35:58 AM
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I'm not worried about this. KZ2 didn't get amazing reviews but I still really liked the game. I've got my Helghast edition ordered and can't wait for the 22nd.

4 up, 0 down

Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:48:11 AM

I've got my steelbook edition preordered so no worries for me.

3 up, 0 down

kraygen
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:56:22 AM
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Honestly I could care less what most other places post as scores for ps3 games, they just want some attention.

I played the MP Beta for several hours and I'll tell you what I saw as someone who is not a shooter fan and never played KZ, played KZ2 for only a few hours.

The graphics are what you would expect from a ps3 exclusive, top notch, amazing.

The controls have lost some of the weighty feeling, but not completely. Try jumping to some ledges for sniping positions, you'll notice the weight.

The biggest complaint I had is the same complaint I have with every FPS MP I have ever played. Melee attacks are stronger than guns. I understand if you sneak up on someone and slit their throat, but when you put several shots into someone and they just run at you and stab you in the chest, yeah.

Like I said, not a shooter fan, but I play a few hours a year and my next FPS purchase will be KZ3. I really have enjoyed the beta and while it won't give you the full game experience, it's still fun.

Oh and I tried the move controls quite a bit. The best move controls for a shooter yet, my only complaint is that on the demo, it doesn't show you the control scheme for the move and you can't change it at all. Hopefully that is not the case for the full game.

I will get a gun mod so I can play the game when I purchase it as that will make holding the controller easier for this type of gameplay.

All in all, it was really good and I look forward to playing it some more.

3 up, 0 down

Qubex
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:58:18 AM
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I have not read any of the aforementioned reviews thankfully, and don't intend to until I have Ben's review here at PSXeXtreme...

I am in the midst of playing the online KZ3 Beta, and I can say this, it must be the best FPS I have ever played. It may not have the destructible environments, but it is noddles of fun.

I don't know how many PsxExtremer's have EU accounts, but if you do, you need to try KZ3 now!

I must mention the stunning visuals. Unfortunately it has taken 5 years to start getting the kind of visuals we see in KZ3 out of the PS3. It is difficult to fault, and I really do pay attention to detail. Gong up close to textures, or analysing parts of the map with intense scrutiny - KZ3 doesn't fail to amaze me. What they have done with the PS3 hardware is extra-ordinary.

To see the Cell and RSX combination to great affect, the AA is superb with every frame post processed with layer upon layer of graphical goodness. The blooming effect of the lighting, the sheer number of lights is incredible. There are also no shadow artifacts to talk about.

It is a superlative production and the Guerrilla need to be re-warded. I can't stop raving about how good and how well this game plays. I love every "bit" and "byte" of it...

It is a day one buy for me, and I am sure millions more... see you on the battlefield come February 22nd.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

2 up, 0 down

RadioHeader
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:15:52 AM

That's exactly what I wanted to say, but could never have said it so well :)

Had an hour with it last night and it is some next-level sh**!!

1 up, 0 down

Qubex
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:18:40 AM

Thanks RadioHead :) ... i'll add you to my PSN friends list... we play together when this b*tch is released! What is your PSN I.D?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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bigrailer19
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 11:29:33 AM

I've been plating it as well. All I can say is what a step forward, more like a leap. The mp is so refreshing and just plain fun! I love it so far. I'm hooked on it, but I wish we were closer to release because of that. I wonder does my unlocks transfer from beta to retail copy? If not o-well.

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Looking Glass
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:57:52 AM
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That depends on how you define "disappointing". True, it's not doing as well as it's predecessor did in terms of review scores. But I get the strong impression that it's going to be much more popular than it's predecessor ever was and sell many more copies. For instance, some reviewers are lamenting the removal of much of the weight but it was the weight that alienated a lot of FPS players. Now that's what I call ironic.

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nilos95
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:19:30 AM
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If Call of Duty is considered better compared to Killzone(according to IGN score)graphics-wise, I will be ashamed of myself being called a gamer when the majority of gamers believes that. And story-wise, I don't know what earned Killzone's bad story comment. Was MW2's story better(haven't played KZ3 story but it's not that bad)?

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Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 6:27:00 AM

Watch his review at his channel,this guy is very frank in his review.

youtube/ZeitgeistReview

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Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:41:04 AM

It's you, isn't it Kiryu? ;p

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Mamills
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 7:03:13 AM
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i just played the beta, i had to stop for 5 mins and order my collectors edition.
lol i really dont care the game is amazing they can say what they want, ill b in halghan killing ppl.

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jaynet333
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 7:52:05 AM
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I think KZ3 looks like it's going to be incredible. I've got a feeling that the story isn't going to be the greatest, but that's an area I am usually more forgiving in. The game play is going to be great! This will be D1P for me as well.

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TheUglyBassist
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:09:15 AM
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I don't get it. I played the beta last night and thought all of the gameplay changes were great. The change in weight really didn't affect how I played. The new weapons and options were really nice, too.

I mean, can the story be that bad? I thought Killzone 2's story was quite entertaining, for the most part.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:40:24 AM
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The thing that upsets me about these fanboy sites that give KZ3 a bad score is that they don't review the whole game! They give it a bad score or lower score than it deserves. This means that the game may lose some sales which is not fair. IGN and Gamespot are horrible sites that are X360 biased. I cannot wait to read the real review right here!

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Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:45:09 AM

Yeah that's the thing they don't finish games.
They just assume it's good or bad.

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booze925
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:48:58 AM

have you played killzone 3 through and through?
i didn't think so.
play it first, then pass judgement on the review bias

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:20:05 AM

Yes, well, I got news for you...I won't be finishing the entire game before doing a review, either.

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maxpontiac
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:24:39 AM

Man.. reviewers not finishing games? That's an ugly topic.

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Hezzron
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:27:57 AM

@CrusaderForever

GameSpot gave GOTY to PS3 exclusives 2 years in a row. The 360 has had one, Gears of War, which came out before the PS3 launched.

Here' some Gamespot review scores for some recent 360 exclusives...

Fable 3 - 7.5
Crackdown 2 - 7.0
Alan Wake - 8.5

I won't even bother with the Kinect stuff.

Your comment is an inaccurate, silly attempt at brown-nosing here.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:50:28 AM

I don't see GameSpot or IGN as 360 biased.

...it does seem clear that they score PS3 exclusives on the low side, though, in relation to all other sources.

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Hezzron
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 11:20:55 AM

I'm not too familiar with IGN, I don't frequent there on a regular basis.

LBP2, GOW3, UC2 all scored really well at GS. GS's only low scores for a PS3 exclusive that fans have taken an exception to (that I've noticed), is GT5 and now KZ3. However, they are hardly the only ones to do so. As mentioned by someone else, GT5 scored lower than expected around the net, including an 8 from Official Playstation Magazine.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:01:36 PM

And we've already explained how video game reviewers aren't typically qualified to analyze GT5.

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maxpontiac
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:37:17 PM

Indeed PSX did, Ben. GT5 will burn out a lot quicker to the NFS types.

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booze925
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:45:30 AM
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the main gripe i noticed reviewers had was the story.
i have not played the story mode yet, but when multiple sites note flat characters and a weak story... im a little suspicious that when GG said they got hollywood to help they hired the people who wrote movies like doom, resident evil, or pirahna 3D.

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Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:55:42 AM

What right do you have to be suspicious about the story when u haven't even played it?

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swapnilgyani
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:20:47 AM

We're just suspecting a weak story, not asserting it. What's wrong with that?

The story has been almost universally criticized, so it seems only logical to suspect that it may not be that great. That, and the fact that the previous one had a pretty bad story and characters.

It's the same reason why a lot of us feel that the game will have jaw dropping presentation and a satisfying combat mechanic.

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Highlander
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:10:49 AM

Oh come one though, since what has a weak story in an FPS been sufficient grounds to give it a crap review? Hell, if that were the case there can't be many fps games on any platform that would score well. That's simply an excuse in my mind.

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Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:46:59 PM

Actually a lot of FPS have great stories in their campaigns. Ask people who play them, they'll tell you.

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Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:08:41 PM

Hi. My name's Chris. And you don't need to ask people like me who play FPS', Highlander! I've played lots of FPS. And while I enjoy the occasional shooter, I can guarantee that in relation to other genres, FPS' are not known for a killer story.

Come on... Highlander's got a point. FPS's don't sell because the masses are drawn to a good story. You ALWAYS hear of CoD nuts buying black ops or MW2 for the multiplayer. Many never even TOUCH the campaign.

I guarantee you the story had nothing to do with Black Ops success. Or did you think that was a good story too? Honestly... does no one understand good character development these days?

You see... the difference between me and someone who will defend FPS storylines is that I play more than FPS to understand there are much better storylines out there. CoD nuts keep bragging about CoD4:MW's story... and yeah.. it's good... for a shooter... But come on... these people act like it's some accomplished narrative...

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Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:49:16 PM

@ Underdog15 - But didn't you JUST write that you never finished the MW campaign?

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Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:10:20 PM

Yup! It's a good case-in-point, eh? I somehow managed to finish Black Ops and MW2... and Killzone1, and 3 Halo games, and a few Medal of Honors, Resistance, and even some obscure Normandy game for PC.

CoD4:MW? yuk. Couldn't finish it. Thanks for bringing that to the forefront to make my point a little more poignant, though! Crappy story. Didn't give one rat's iota about the characters. MW2 kept me in because I was interested in learning more about Makarov after that airport scene. Other than that, it wasn't much either.

Nice try at that little red herring, though.

EDIT: By the way, I platinum'd MW2 and BO, so it's not like I didn't play them enough to be able to say the stories were weak. If CoD4:MW had trophies, I might have finished it... me and my friends had a race to plat BO. MW2 I plat'd because I honestly wanted to.

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sirbob6
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:23:57 PM

@ Alienange I play a lot of FPS and I will admit that most have bad to decent stories. A few have real good stories, Bioshock being #1 really. However as a whole their stories aren't great.

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Underdog15
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 10:40:28 AM

I think the reason I get so uptight about stories is because a plot or narrative isn't enough for me. (There's a difference between plot and story, fyi, although most people combine the two descriptions)

The biggest thing for me is the characters. Look at Forest Gump. The plot/storyline was pretty good, but what MADE that movie was the characters. You need characters you like or love to hate, who are deep with descriptive backstories beyond their motivation, and yeah... I guess that's just a major element the FPS's rarely investigate. Which is too bad. Mason in Black Ops? Yeah... we get his motivation and the plot twist is kinda neat, but Mason himself? Who really cared about him? No one. We know nothing about him beyond what happens through the gameplay. Result? Boring character... and therefore... boring story.

I'm just saying... I gotta actually CARE what happens.

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hadouken
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:02:16 AM
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I haven't played KZ3 like most of us but I know this game is at least better than reach because Halo is overrated so bad it's not even funny.

As for the scores I don't know but honestly who was expecting an epic story? Most FPS don't have good stories anyway.

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0_o
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:30:19 AM
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They also say that the Move support to Killzone 3 isn't good.

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Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:55:44 AM

Only that needs a little work.

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Norrin Radd
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:13:43 PM

That's crap. I've been playing the Beta with Move just fine, thanks. Yeah - it takes some getting used to, but what new control scheme wouldn't?

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Dustinwp
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:08:54 AM
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I can't speak for the singleplayer but the multiplayer beta is nothing but awesome sauce! I think the controls are very balanced in the KZ3 beta, even though I did like the controls in KZ2. The multiplayer is so addictive and fun it should score the game 8 to 8.5 on it's own!

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telly
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:16:50 AM
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Never understand why reviewers don't ask that obvious question about games -- how does this title compare to other games in the genre that have been released recently? It's a really important question!

My two cents -- I liked KZ2, but the story was just not fleshed out nearly enough, nor were the characters, and some of the voice acting was absolutely terrible. Rico was an effin' nightmare. It was doubly frustrating because it seems like there is some sweet sci-fi fiction lurking just below the game's surface. The world, the Helghast, the technology from sides of the conflict, etc. is all superb. So why does Guerrilla games refuse to give more backstory, cut scenes, etc. explaining that world? It's a problem I have with a lot of FPS games -- to this day, I have absolutely no idea what the hell was going on in Halo 3 -- and it doesn't need to be that way. Just because a game has fast, violent gameplay mechanics does not mean context and story development are not needed. Quite the contrary.

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Highlander
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:18:22 AM
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Considering when the game arrives at retail, how are they giving the game a truly exhaustive review?

Apart from that if they felt that there was too little story, they are enforcing a huge double standard, I mean, it's not like FPS games are renowned for their incredibly long story modes. If you can mark a game down for have a short or crap story mode, then there are virtually no shooters around that should score above 8.5 - ever.

Actually that story excuse is basically a tissue of lies anyway, I can thinkl of plenty of times that reviewers at the same sites have dogged a PS2 or PS3 game because it was too story heavy or had too much time watching a story unfold via cut scenes. So now they are flip-flopping and complaining of too little story in a shooter!? Total BS.

If a sequel to a game that get's 8-9 ratings arrives and has an equivalent or better story mode, better graphics, more extensive levels, the same or better game play, same or better sound and support for things like 3D and Move, there's really no excuse for giving the sequel a worse review than the original game. That's like all the times I see some pretentious reviewer nee fanboy giving say, Ratchet and Clank : Tools of Destruction a poor review because the game wasn't different enough from it's predecessors, it didn't innovate sufficiently to impress the discerning reviewer. Excuse me!? The entire point of a sequel is that it's supplying fans of the original game with a large does of 'more of the same'. That's the freaking purpose of the game.

I haven't read any previews (can't call them reviews if the game is still more than two weeks away), and won't But I will wait for reviews by people who I trust will actually play the game before putting pen to paper.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:45:42 AM

Stories are all relative, look at UC2; it's a complete fabrication. What ND did do was to give an incredulous story excitment and immersion. If reviewers are saying that the story doenst immerse the player - that's fair enough, no matter how far fetched it is.

HL, it's a bit unfair to assume reviewers are not playing the game before reviewing it; it's a personal opinion at the end of the day.

What can be garnered from the review scores is that, generally speaking, it's a great game - not revolutionary.

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Highlander
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 11:22:06 AM

Yes, but where does it say that a game has to be revolutionary to earn a high score? As for my thought that reviewers may not have played the full game. Since the game is not releasing for nearly three weeks, I find it difficult to believe that reviewers have had a complete final copy long enough to play it through. That though doesn't alter the point I am making about story length. Yes immersion is important - less so in fps games however.

I don't believe that a game has to be revolutionary to get a high score, it simply has to be very well executed. A game could be poorly executed and yet be the most revolutionary game concept yet. Sure that revolutionary game would deserve points for innovation, but a poorly executed game is still a poor game.

I don't believe that reviewers should drop review points based on their personal value judgments on whether a game is sufficiently innovative, or whether they personally feel the story is immersive enough. If the game is a great game, give it the review and score it deserves, and reserve those value judgments for your opinion.

Ben recently reviewed Mass Effect 2, he openly admitted that the setting was not his cup of tea, and yet the game got a very good review because Be reviewed the game without allowing his personal feeling about the setting to influence his scoring. Is it asking too much to expect similar conduct elsewhere?

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tes37
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:21:21 AM
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Looks like I get to give all the naysayers the bird, when I break out my wallet to purchase KZ3.

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Deleted User
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:25:56 AM
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I think serious PS3 gamers ignore reviews. We know the whole story already, that many "so-called" unbiased websites are biased towards MS and will always be as long as MS pays them favors. Reviews are meaningless, it's sales that matter and Killzone 3 will sell millions.

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Alienange
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:49:07 PM

Reviews don't matter? It's sales that matters??

ahem ... Ooookay then

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Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:36:21 PM

I don't think so much that serious gamers ignore reviews, so much as they are able to read between the lines.

Really, the best thing is to find a reviewer that has the same views and tastes as you and weigh in heavilly on the things they say.

Additionally, you need to be able to determine which aspects of the game are important. If a reviewer harps on a bad story and praises the multiplayer, and gives a 7 based on a poor story... and you were only ever going to play the multiplayer... then why pay so close attention to the 7?

The last thing I don't get, is why people continue to let a reviewer they disagree with continually get under their skin. If you hate some dude over at Destructoid or IGN... STOP READING HIM and complaining about what they say! lol

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Deleted User
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:10:18 PM

Why should I accept these poorly written reviews done by people who have no business doing such a task? The days of Greg Kasavin are over. Other than Ben and Arnold and Alex Navarro, who can you trust? I'll stand by my view that sales are more important than reviews and smart PS3 video gamers will ignore the BS from these Xbox lovers that seem to dominate the reviewing landscape. If you're going to let a review deter you, then you've pretty much proved that you need others to make your decisions for you.

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Underdog15
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:14:24 PM

There's a massive difference between letting someone make a decision for you and making an informed decision. In fact, I would argue it's wiser to hear a few points of view before making a decision. I've made many blind purchases before. Some worked out (Happened with Kingdom Hearts for me) and some didn't at all. However, there are some games I would never have considered had I not read reviews from reviewers I trust. And never has a reviewer I trust let me down.

If it was just some nobody I was unfamiliar with altering my decision making, you'd have a point. But it isn't. I'm actually quite capable of making my own decisions. It's also much wiser than investing in a rental only to reinvest further once I've proven a games worth. I only rent if either A) I'm comPLETELY unsure and curious about something no research has been able to help which is rare or B) I only want to play a game a little bit.

It wasn't someone else's decisions that got me married, 2 degrees, a career, a house, a car, and whatever else I wanted by the time I was 23.

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D1g1tal5torm
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:38:03 AM
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Not played the game - not read any reviews.

From a multi aspect...

If in the opening comments where Ben mentions Guerilla tweaking the weight in relation to controls, it turns KZ turns into a direct path to COD (PS3 version). Not good.

I hasten to add, only by this admission, KZ needs to be graphically, gameplay, storywise, longevity, in every conceivable aspect more slickly polished than COD to beat it.

If they had retained the weight, they would 've retained the tactics, elevaating it past cod.

It's a shame they've appeared to have sold out - I absolutely loved KZ2.

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Kiryu
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:42:25 AM

It's a combination of both killzone 2's weight controls and call of duty's light controls.

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FM23
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:56:43 PM

Agreed...I loved KZ2's controls because I hated them first. It took getting uset too, but then again...KZ2 controls are too heavy in certain instances like fighting Radec with default controls on harder levels. I hate they made this change, but also strongly welcome it.

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sirbob6
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 5:27:13 PM

You do have to remember they did give LBP 2 a 7.

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swapnilgyani
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 11:16:54 AM
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I'm not a FPS type person at all. Killzone 2 was the first FPS I played on PS3. I did not play a single shooter on PS2. My previous experience of the genre was Project IGI on the PC!

Having said that, I absoloutely loved Killzone 2. It is the only shooter I own, and rate it as one of the best games I've played. Based on my experience with the game, Killzone 3 automatically qualifies itself for a spot on my game shelf.

It's a shame really that the critics in the gaming industry are going the hollywood way.

PSX is the only review site I trust, and I have based quite a few of my purchase decisions on what Ben and Arnold say. I will get Killzone 3 even if they both say that it causes cancer.

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Ignitus
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 12:54:03 PM
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Well, I read the reviews and I will make my final decision when I play the game, but I understand why it lost points.

Even dough I enjoyed KZ2 I didn't think it was that great of a game because of this short comings:

1.- I found the game levels very repetitive, I found my self in corridors or cramped spaces most of the time, after a while the pacing felt the same.

2.- No vehicles to play with, no ground, no air assaults. Well, you were foot soldier and that was about it. It was enjoyable but it could have been much more fun the other way around.

3.- No online co-op play or any co-op play at all! This was an incredible omission on their part. To me, the level desing felt as if it was desinged to be played in a co-op way (you know, you could keep the enemy busy while your friend flanked them from another side).

Reading the reviews it seems they have fixed some of these omissions.

GG has now included vehicles, the game now includes open levels and it features local co-op play but it's still missing online co-op play!!!

It's 2011 and GG can´t ship a game with that feature? What's going on? one of the strong points of the Playstation it's that 80% of the consoles are conected and for zero $$$. Why let it go to waste?

Even bungie's 2007 game, Halo 3 had 4 player online co-op play!

Seriosly peole, I don't think reviewers are biased against PS3 exclusives it has to do with the fact that some first party developers are getting behind with what is expected with games this generation.

The same thing happened to GT5. After 5 years, PD shipped a game with broken game components in online play, yeah, after they shipped they began the patching. But seriosly, with a game launched in that state you expected a 10 score, of course it was going to lose points.

Now back to killzone 3, I'm glad they fixed the aforementioned things and I will be cheking it out but I'm disapointed they still can't do online co-op play, come on, the PS3 turns 5 this year and almost every other FPS developer can do it.
Now let the downthumbers loose. Lol.

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tanner1
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:43:28 PM
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All i can say is i soooooooooo love Ps3 exclusives, they look so good and they continue to raise that bar out the friggin stratosphere. I have KZ2 and this is a day 1 for me.

If GG could have added online co-op i think this game would have been perfect in my eyes.
Congratulations GG, a job well done again.

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FatherSun
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:58:35 PM

CO-OP can always be added in the future. I feel that is the Plan.

100% agree with your PS3 exclusives comment. Stratosphere and beyond! They have not failed me!

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FatherSun
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 1:56:08 PM
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So much passion in these comments. I am not one to try and convince anyone of anything so I wont even get into it. I also do not depend on a review by someone to make a decision. I am a need to see it to believe it type. Killzone 3 is excellent from what I have seen so far. 3D is exceptional and game play is fun and detailed. Graphics are top of the line too. I hope the story is better for me than what some portray it to be. I tested the beta on COD addicts without telling them that it was KILLZONE 3. They were amazed. I may have actually helped them get that ugly monkey off their backs. I look forward to the 22nd!

Gamesites and reviewers are bias no matter what they say. Its just human nature. Some may be able to separate that bias and give an honest review but it just seem rare nowadays. What I have noticed is that they write an excellent review but turn around and give a bad score. They even give GOTY awards. Seems Two-Faced to me. I think the reason for that is because they can play both sides that way. In the end though the review score affect sales and it seems like they DO NOT want PS3 games to sell. What incentive they have to do this beyond me. Lately some sites and reviewers have been giving more positive reviews but I think that is because regardless of all the bull the Playstation Brand is making a turnaround. The attempt to bury Playstation has failed. 2011 will confirm this.

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Teddie9
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:14:15 PM
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At the end of the day - I will patiently wait for BEN'S REVIEW.

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Danny007
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:18:25 PM
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The beta for Killzone 3 reassured me that I made the right choice when I pre ordered it.

The people on my friends list seem to be enjoying it as well.

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SiLeNt sOuL
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:47:44 PM
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cant wait to play it. i got it in my Q list

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ABUrabad
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:49:34 PM
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I know its a little bit late to comment here but let me assure on a couple of things
1- THIS GAME WILL BE A BIG HIT , there is a lot of loyal PS3 gamers that will buy this game despite the bi-assed reviewes from couple of bi-assed web-sites we can see that clearly from what happened to GT5
2-the game has the best ever graphics for any FPS over there
3-the commitment by GG to improve the game better and better after release
4-any changes for the game was made after tons of request by KZ and FPS fans so there no excuse for reviewers to make these changes as a set-back for the game , like the way of heavy movement
5-the CO-OP thing can be fixed by GG sooner or later by request
6-this game will be a D1P for me so I dont care about their reviews { i only care for this website }
7-ALL Sony's exclusives will be greater in general than all other exclusives

but there one thing should be mentioned , that KZ3 a short campaign in terms of these day which is around 6 hours , but as reviewers have said there are all the elements to make it greater and better than other FPS

Last edited by ABUrabad on 2/4/2011 2:54:23 PM

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ABUrabad
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 2:57:26 PM

and im a Proud to be a holder for KZ2's Platinum

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Beamboom
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:38:36 PM

What would a company do without their fanboys. Easy income!

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ABUrabad
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:07:17 PM

that thing when they listen to us they will produce for us what we prefer , what we like and what we enjoy . thats way we keep doing feedbacks when ever its possible

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sha4dowknight05
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:37:12 PM

you are godly if you gotten the platitum. Did you get all the maps and get all the trophies for that as well?>

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ABUrabad
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 5:10:46 AM

I didnt buy any DLC , I know its a big shame for me , but once I love a game I must work to get all of its trophies

you can sign me into ur friend list to check out

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King James
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 3:46:04 PM
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I'm think that ppl are just harder on KZ because that game's universe has the potential to tell a great story. The same can't be said for a lot of FPS's out there. I think the reviewers are more disappointed by the fact that they feel a story should be there. And when that story falls flat, their disappointment reflects in their reviews.

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Nickjcal
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:13:33 PM
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I'm sorry but if KZ3 gets a lower score than any COD or HALO game i'm going to have to punch someones eye out. There's so much more production value in a Killzone game.

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sha4dowknight05
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:18:34 PM
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The story couldn't be that bad, since compared to cod 4 their story isn't any better. I like how they improved many things form kz2 like th way you move the gun. I know many here don't like me saying my opinion but they are true. However i like the gameplay very much as it really draws me into the game. I just hope there will be enought helgast editions left for me.

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wakkaoaka
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:31:24 PM
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i remember killzone 1 getting a 6.something from gamespot, i saw that score after i already played it and loved it (the demo sold me on killzone).

so yeah, meh to reviews, free dl'able demos are the best to see if you'll like the game.

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packersfan66
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 4:56:10 PM
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Who gives a ****

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:57:50 PM

Came back to drop that gem, did you?

Next time, don't waste the effort.

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packersfan66
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:48:19 PM

Man seriously? Don't really get why you're complaining about a sequel fps getting an average of 8.7 on metacritic(last time I checked).

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Underdog15
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 10:42:52 AM

Was he complaining? I'm not sure why people are so black/white on issues... I got far more out of the article than "he's complaining".

And i kind of agree with Ben... just posting "who gives a rip" doesn't benefit anyone... It's not even an opinion... It's downright indifference... Why not focus your time on reading/posting on articles you DO care about?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 3:57:06 PM

Still don't feel like reading anything but headlines, huh?

Nobody's "complaining" about anything. Try reading the article next time.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 7:33:40 PM
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Played the beta today for the first time it was fantastic! Cannot wait for 2/22. The control is more responsive and I like it! Going to play again tonight.

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arcanoid
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:29:48 PM
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Killzone all the way!!...

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sha4dowknight05
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:41:31 PM
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Those sites give the game a low score for a reason. True the majority gives a awesome score but there are still those out there that actually give the game a low score for a reason unknown. I just know they didn't address all the main issues of KZ2 but they got a major one from KZ2 that really set me back from even thking of KZ3 was the way you move the gun around with the right analog. It was almost terrible in KZ2 but it has improved in KZ3. Also the graphics are a lot better in KZ3 simply of the fact the enviroment is much more brighter. I mean KZ2 wasn't bad but it wasn; the best since all the beautiful enviroments were drowned out by the game's darkness as most levels were quite dark it was hard to enjoy eveythign else other then that gun you always use. I'de say killzone 3 really improved that is why i want to get the helgast edition.

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Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:43:35 PM
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Predictably, EDGE magazine gives KZ3 a 7 out of 10.

I feel inclined to remind everyone they gave ODST a 9.
A 9?
A 9!
'shakes head slowly mumbling under my breath' a 9

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 8:57:22 PM

I predicted that months ago. Want to know what they're going to give Gears 3? I can tell you that, too.

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Temjin001
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:40:31 PM

lol yeah, they're just unbelievable. I'm guessing Gears 3 will get no lower than a 9.

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packersfan66
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 10:51:08 PM

True edge is horse manure

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STAY3R
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 11:59:21 PM

If this game was a Xbox exclusive, IGN would have definitely scored it at the least a 9.5 and they would have shat their pants about the 3D and the graphics and then they would repost the review saying the game is achieved a 10! wooohoooo.....but unlucky Killzone is on the playstation and IGN will just turn up its big nose at it saying its just okay and not good enough....so sad IGN, so sad

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Beamboom
Friday, February 04, 2011 @ 9:42:04 PM
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One thing I don't get: Is this game already released in the USA or some other part of the world? The reason I ask is that many of the comments here indicate that you have already played it and know it well, but it's not even released here in Norway?

Last edited by Beamboom on 2/4/2011 9:42:59 PM

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ABUrabad
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 7:38:53 AM

you can figure a lot of things by just playing the Beta beside reading all reviews from all over the web

thats easy

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patv3dgamer
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 12:52:14 AM
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Actually the Multiplayer is Worse than KZ2. I am really upset with what they have thrown at us. Did they not care about the fans? It Feels completely like Call of Duty. There is really nothing distinguishable between them now except the time period at which the game takes place. Im seeing people saying the graphics are better than Kz2. Only to the untrained eye. There are major differences, but not in a good way. I can easily tell just based on the beta they got rid of a lot of needed eye candy. All the bloom effects are gone. Kz2 had that Anamorphic lens feel to it. there even seems to be less motion blur on things. There is a lot of strange things to me. It probably doesn't help That I do 3d all day. It may just be a bad map to judge. The game has lost the overall depth it had. Everything looks very flat like call of duy. I think it is obvious what game will beat out Killzone 3 this year. Crysis 2 will look Legendary compared to what I have seen the last couple of days. At least Crysis will feel the same. You dont scrape things that are working, for things that are in every game out currently. Guerrilla has definitely hit a brick wall with KZ3. I am hoping the campaign is better than the current crappy multiplayer. The bad thing is for Kz2 the only reason I bought it and continued playing it was for the multiplayer experience.

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FM23
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 4:38:58 AM
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KZ3 beta?...Sucks. I can't believe what has happened to my all time favorite KZ2. This literally looks and feels like Battlefield Company. The menus, the reward points, the movement, etc...nothing reminds me of KZ2 here...just other games. The menu though, this looks nothing like KZ2's.

As far as the gameplay goes, it feels like the FPS I hate so dearly and that is a pure negative. KZ2 felt just right, this feels lame. Even if they left a little bit of the weight feeling, it isn't enough. Bioshock 2 seems to feel more weighthy than this. Wow...just wow...how did Guerilla do this? Like I know they listen to their fanbase, so what gives. This isn't KZ3. All guns are too accurate and compared to KZ2, it is too easy to die. The impact of the guns feel like BC2, but look like KZ2. What gives?

Now I'm kind of rethinking my purchase. With it soul gone, I have another generic shooter with maybe a good story. Spent about 2hrs playing this and I came to the conclusion, Guerilla sold out. They made the controls more responsive, but destroyed its unique trait in the process. Well, I guess Infamous 2, Batman, and Dragon Age 2 will have to blow me away becasue so far...KZ3 is looking like a bust in my book. Hoope this isn't true.

But then again, I might just have to get adjusted to the new controls and CoD ripoff look/feel. Why? Just Why?

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VampDeLeon
Saturday, February 05, 2011 @ 9:33:39 PM

I think the ship has sailed long ago on Killzone being as unique since the transition from Killzone PS2 to Killzone 2 on PS3. In the first game you had literally only 4 main characters against an entire army and race, each with their own unique pathway to continue every level. None of that was in Killzone 2 (new cast, now part of an entire army against another army and no choosing any character), which turned me completely off not too long into the game because it felt like every other FPS title. Even it's online was flat compared to it's predecessor. I think KZ3 is just continuing what it already established in the 2nd game, no more gritty feel although I like that the feel of the controls and movement feel just like the first game.
I dunno, maybe I might have needed to spend more time (I think it gave it an hour online and offline each) on the 2nd game to understand what you mean about how KZ3 felt more like every FPS title and not KZ2. So far, the 3rd one has got me interested again when I had no expectations but I know I'll still miss the gritty old age feeling of the 1st game.

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CaptainWinkie
Sunday, February 06, 2011 @ 10:17:27 AM
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That is SAD if only the paid off PS3 aka Playstation mag and other critics gave it a 9 or better! Looks a little obvious. Means the game deserves around an 8.2 or So. See how ratings for games are all biased. There needs to be a non-profit (consumer reports like) magazine or site that reviews. In other words the game is not that good and just an upgraded version of Killzone 2.

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cadpig
Sunday, February 06, 2011 @ 10:45:02 AM
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I'm a big Killzone fan. I'm going to reserve judgement on folks bias and review scores until after i play it.
I like the beta so far

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ScreaminBanshie
Sunday, February 06, 2011 @ 7:31:30 PM
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I thought that the first Killzone on the PS2 was great, I loved that game. I hated KZ2, wasted $60.00. After playing the KZ3 beta I will be keeping my money in my pocket. It still has quite a bit of weight in it. Too much for my liking.

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Mornelithe
Monday, February 07, 2011 @ 5:57:12 AM
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I don't think there's really even a question here Ben, I think it's been plainly obvious this generation that the PS3 at large has been the whipping post of the reviewer community.

A highly criticized launch lineup (when 95% of the launch for the 360 was also available on PC). Reviewers and Scoring systems that fluctuate from week to week, day to day. One complaint against a PS3 game, is a bonus for a 360 game. Reviewers who refuse to actually _play_ the game they're reviewing (GT5 comes to mind), before making fallacious statements about its quality.

Bottom line, I just don't trust reviewers, any reviewers (no offense to any here), anymore. Nor will I ever. Now that I'm old enough to think for myself, and do my own research (because it's MY money being spent) I have little to no reason to read anyone elses reviews. I simply watch the game during its development cycle. And then play the demo, or have already been sold on wanting it.

Relying on someone elses opinion on a game to influence your own, seems fairly silly. Akin to having a a preacher, tell YOU what your faith is.

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