FOX News Condemns Bulletstorm As Potentially Harmful

Kiryu
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 9:31:33 PM
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BulletStorm's Point System makes it suck.

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Riku994
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 9:34:17 PM
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...Hal Halpin?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:10:55 PM

And his friend Harry Hairpin.

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OPHIDIAN
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 9:42:57 PM
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Fox's arguments are negated on the basis that young children shouldn't be playing this game in the first place: the idiots that are buying the game should be criticised not the developers.

I have to question though, why? Why not give these achievements proper names instead. The only thing I can think of is that they are trying to be funny, but 'drilldo,' wonder how long it took them to think of that, if it was any more than 2 seconds that person deserves to be shot. Quite pathetic and desperate in my opinion.

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:03:57 PM

FOX has *never* let the truth get in the way of a sensational headline.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:13:08 PM

For some reason it has become fashionable to name trophies something that might produce a chuckle upon earning them. And they usually succeed. These are probably the most sexually suggestive, but not the only that are.

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GuernicaReborn
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:46:19 PM

If any child understands what those skillshots are referring to, they have more problems than playing M-rated video games.

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PorkChopGamer
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:04:36 AM

The worst trophy/ achievement name I've ever seen was 'Smoky Bacon' for Enslaved. To have a moment like that and see that chime in ruined the entire thing for me.

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bridgera
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:17:37 AM

@Highlander

You speak the truth about Fox "News".

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johnld
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:38:55 AM

just for that, the bullet storm devs should rename their trophy for beating the game to "up yours fox news!"

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Temjin001
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 9:49:55 PM
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Every time I buy a mature rated game, I'm ID'd.

On the bright side, I'm sure this media exposure will boost Bulletstorm's sales by a cool million+

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Victor321
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 9:50:59 PM

Bad Publicity is still publicity right? Lol XD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:13:53 PM

I still get ID'd for cigarettes sometimes.

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:19:50 PM

"Every time I buy a mature rated game, I'm ID'd."

Unfortunately, for those of us, like me, that buy most of their games online, there is no ID'ing being done. If stores actually follow the rules and not sell the MA games to the kids like they are supposed to, the kids can just go online and buy it no questions asked except for credit card number or Paypal info.

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:49:45 PM

There aren't many under 16's holding credit cards these days, so the number of kids going online with credit cards to buy M-rated games is directly proportional to the number of parents too stupid to care what their kids are doing with one of Mom or Dad's credit cards online.

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Victor321
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 9:52:29 PM
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*sighs, then facepalms*

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:03:34 PM
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Well, I think a more serious question is which is a bigger threat to our Society, FOX and it's Faux-News or video games?

Personally I think FOX News is far more dangerous than any video game, or even an entire library of video games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:14:56 PM

I agree, especially with confirmed murders done at the behest of false information given by Beck and O'Reilly.

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Nickjcal
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:21:49 PM

Fox condemns the world

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:01:44 AM

FOX News believes that anything other than God and old 1950's American values are harmful and destroying civilisation.

Why anyone watches FOX News is beyond me!! I've seen and heard far more disturbing stuff in films than any video game I have ever played.

I hear about FOX News being popular in America, but outside of the country, others looks in and wonder how a country can be so backwards and confusing in its ideals. Nothing against the U.S. Great country like any Western civilisation. Just so darn confusing to anyone looking in.

As for Bulletstorm, I'm getting it. It looks like insane fun. And if FOX thinks it's for kids, they clearly have no idea what those ESRB funny signs in the corner of the cover are for.

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bridgera
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:20:01 AM

Good old Bill O'Reily trying to claim that the Earth having a moon and not Mars proves the existence of God...... except for the fact that Mars has 2 moons.

Fox doesn't let facts stand in their way.

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Cesar_ser_4
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:44:28 AM

@highlander nu uhh not if the videogame library falls on top of you... jk

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 8:46:23 AM

Well, as of this morning, it looks like there are at least three people that drink the Fox News Kool-Aid regularly!

Also, I read several of the comments left in the comments section of that article yesterday. Most of the comments left at the time were obviously mature gamers that stressed the point that Bulletstorm is for adults and NOT for 9-year old kids.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:15:17 AM

I disagree Highlander (if my sarcasm meter is working). The biggest threat to society is when people become sheep and base their opinions on what others say instead of formulating it for themselves.

Fox News, like CNN, MSN and the other networks are guilty of the same agenda driven reporting.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:48:23 AM

@Max, I'll agree that Sheeple and their inability to think for themselves is about as dangerous as News organizations that claim to be objective and factual actually being biased and non-factual.

When you mix the two, it's a potent and dangerous combination. I think the reason I put the blame on the news media is that they claim that they are objective and factual and trustworthy. When news organizations manufacture news from opinion, when they fabricate information or simply exaggerate it beyond reason, when they dredge up year old opinion pieces as supporting evidence for a piece of heavily biased news reporting, when they... You get the idea. I'm not absolving other news organizations, I just feel that FOX News is the worst of a bad lot.

Like you say though, without sheeple to listen without critical thought, it would all be nothing more than news fiction, opinion and bluster. Unfortunately there are millions upon millions of people who just want to be told what to think.

Whatever happened to critical thought? What ever happened to parenting? Whatever happened to the traditional ethics of news journalism to report nothing but the facts? This is why I sometimes think I was born in the wrong era.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 11:17:24 AM

I agree Highlander.

Society as a whole seems content with not accepting responsibility for their own actions, as well as looking for someone to make their own decisions.

I understand what you are saying in regards to the news agencies, but I just don't see the necessity to focus blame on Fox news (for example).

Ah, parenting. In my eyes, that is a major problem today, and by far one of the worst. I am by no means stating that I am the world's best father, but I am shocked at the general lack of direction that children have these days. I am an active youth sports coach and youth leader, and I can't count the times I see kids with behavior problems.

Ethics? In my book this discussion will lead towards religion (gasp)!!

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Bugzbunny109
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:06:10 PM
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What a surprise. Fox is just trying to get some attention. Before I talk about how this subject shouldn't even be an issue, considering that the game is intended for adults and not for children, I should ask how our very credible and highly esteemed psychologist and author, Carol Lieberman knows that video games are the sole cause of the supposed rise in rapes. I have a feeling he's just making a blanket statement; and happens to throw in the words video games and rape in the same sentence to strengthen his point.
The Fox article forgets to incorporate the fact that the prefrontal cortex of and adult is more developed than a child's frontal lobe. Consequently, a normal adult will not decide to go on a raping spree because he or she saw it in a video game. However, a child is more at risk of doing this. Therefore, to prevent this, the child's parents must exercise good judgment and not buy games that they feel are potentially harmful to their children. And if they fail at exercising right judgment, it is not the game's fault, but rather their fault. Fox should not spend their time bashing a game; but rather reaching out to parents telling them to be more responsible. But as we all know, this is FOX.

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mexgeo86
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:12:09 PM
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Stay classy, FAUX News...

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The Doom
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:15:49 PM

Stay classy, Faux Noise...

-fixed

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:16:58 PM
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As my old man always says to me: World (He doesn't call me that) Consider the Source.

And if I may remind you, Fox News is the same source that was happy to play host to non gamers who called Mass Effect a "Sodomy Simulator"

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Nerull
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:17:43 PM
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I fear for any segment of the population that takes fox news seriously.
The enquirer, or better yet Edge, has more journalistic integrity.

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Lotusflow3r
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:23:05 PM
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How are they gonna react to Duke Nukem?

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:56:15 AM

If The King of video games is censored here is Australia, my money might just have to go overseas.

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The Doom
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:27:10 PM
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Funny that they claim this game will cause an increase in rapes yet they have no proof to back up that claim. They act like there's depictions of rapes in the game itself and there isn't, but they don't say anything about the films and TV shows that do show them. I also don't like how they have the mindset that videogames were meant for kids when the average gamer is over 25 years of age. Kids shouldn't be playing M rated games, but that wouldn't stop parents from buying it for them.

Also notice that she said...
"If a younger kid experiences Bulletstorm's explicit language and violence, the damage COULD be significant."
That means she's assuming its significant. I took psychology and I'm telling you some of the 'educated guesses' they make is bullshit. And hasn't there been studies that proved that games DON'T cause violent behavior? So what the hell is the point in this at all?

...And 'gangbang' is just a term for group sex; it's totally different from 'gangrape'. Lol, like a kid or Faux Noise would know about that xD

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:38:02 PM

Ah, well, I think you will have to argue the point with Ben as to whether video games can cause damage to young and easily influenced minds. He's far more qualified than most to comment on that.

I will say though that based on my experience as a parent and a gamer, I can see how a constant diet of violent games could make kids more aggressive and could result in vulnerable kids (those whoa re more easily influenced than others - yes, they do exist) having their outlook and personality shift permanently.

That said, I don't think that games are truly dangerous for a mature individual. Since this is an M-rated game, the entire argument about damaging kids assumes that parents are utterly failing to keep their kids away from such material. I fail to see how that is the fault of the game. That would be like blaming beer companies every time a kid drinks one of Dad's beers. Total BS. This comes back to parents needing to be parents and stop abdicating their responsibility and blaming video games, TV, the Internet and/or God for their own failure.

What bugs me about this story is the fact that FOX News is once again making a story out of less than nothing except pure speculation and sensationalism, and of course the finger of blame points at video games. FOX doesn't like video games much. Then again, FOX doesn't like a lot of things, including the truth.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:50:55 AM

I would like to see FOX News do something about this other than just rant about it for once.

If they can survey who plays a game like Bulletstorm, who purchases it and what they're daily habits and jobs are, then we can see just how horrible and immoral this game really is.

I'm going to guess, no worse than what Gears of War, Dead Space or Call of Duty are. Violent, but mostly played by adults.

Anyone else here hate hearing a kid's voice whenever going online for a deathmatch?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:00:31 AM

There are multiple studies that prove violent entertainment (movies, video games, music, etc.) certainly causes more aggressive behavior and resistance to authority figures.

But that has only been proven amongst those who are still developing; i.e., children under the age of 14 or 15. I don't believe there's any evidence that supports violent media causing violent behavior in mature, stable adults.

That being said, considering that most all humans in this society start out amongst multiple dangerous influences, there's every chance that they can be impacted by anything they see. Children are like sponges, and their brains don't forget as they grow.

Hence, all games and movies and anything else that could potentially harm children should be be rated. ...and all of it is.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:23:45 AM

Again Ben, like you argue, it all comes down to the parents supervising their children and monitoring what they play. Why FOX News doesn't focus on the parents is beyond me!!

It's like when I was a kid. All my neighbours kids had Mortal Kombat on their SNES and Mega Drives (Genesis), and while I mostly watched others play Mortal Kombat, rarely having a turn myself, there was no way my mum would buy that game for me or my older brother. She didn't even let me watch the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons until I was about 7.

I knew heaps of kids in my street that played Mortal Kombat and even the original GTA on PC, and they were all friendly and nice.

I guess it also comes down to what other factors or influences children are exposed to in the household.

Drunk parents seems to be a common problem, why not create a system where parents are given certain ID from the day of birth of their child that prohibits them from drinking alcohol until the child is 18. But no, alcohol is not a big problem in this day and age, according to FOX News, but it is VIDEO GAMES!!! Oh the horror!!! Think of the children!!!

The ESRB thinks of the children. Who at the breweries or bars think of the children, hmmm??

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:38:01 AM

"it all comes down to the parents supervising their children and monitoring what they play. Why FOX News doesn't focus on the parents is beyond me!! "

The reason that FOX doesn't focus on the parents is that the parents are in their target demographic and attacking them would potentially hurt their viewership.

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Lord carlos
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:31:59 PM
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Parents that let their kids play games like this should be funking ashamed of themselves!
There's been extreme gore in games for like at least 15 forking years now eg resident evil on ps1& doom ect on pc.
If games effected people like what theses news station say then there would be chaos on the streets of most modern countries.
Some kid kills someone and then his lawyer tells him to blame it on dexter,a movie or some videogame to put doubt in the jury's mind,then its all over the papers
It used to be heavy metal and stephen king novels now its south park and videogames.
Videogames at not at fault here crappy childhood upbringing's are,Take that society!
End pointless rant.

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jaynet333
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:40:35 PM
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I'm not sure what's worse. The fact that FOX News actually puts this crap out there, or the fact that there are people that will actually take this seriously.

BTW - I have to admit, the article is quite hilarious. Here are two of my favorite quotes:
"Games without sufficient quality of gameplay -- games that include highly objectionable violent or sexual content -- often pump up the level of this kind of content to gain media attention. This tactic typically fails" - Thank God FOX News has enough intelligence not to play right into their han...oh wait. ;)
And then there's this little gem:
"Remi Sklar, the vice president of Public Relations at Warner Brothers Interactive Entertainment, which makes numerous video games (though is unconnected to Bulletstorm), offered the following statement: 'We don’t have a comment for that story.'" - LOL! Gee, thanks for the awesome insight.

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:47:16 PM

Irony is an advanced concept that totally defeat's Fox News executives ability to comprehend.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:35:23 AM

I love how their tactic to winning an argument is to shout back even louder. And never give the guest a chance to speak. Warping anything a person says into anti-American statements is what FOX do best.

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matt99
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:43:46 AM

I'm glad that at least some of America sees FOX news for what it is, because here in Canada-and pretty much the rest of the world- it's viewed with less journalistic respect than Entertainment Tonight. However, it is scary that there are a relatively large amount of people who think FOX is the only truth telling news network and all the others in the world are lying for their own agenda.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:55:16 AM

Matt,

It's depressing seeing from the inside how many Americans are utterly ignorant (sometimes intentionally so) of the way America is viewed in the rest of the world, and the reasons why. Of course as a transplant to the US, I perhaps have an advantage over most - in that regard at least.

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JDC80
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:56:47 PM
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The idea of video games make people violent is like saying eating too many blueberries and you'll turn into one. I was 12 when I first played Mortal Kombat and I didn't want to rip someone's heart out or try to rip off someone's head off because I knew that's a video game and not reality.

Instead of questioning what's going on in society at large people look for the quick and easy scapegoat what's the easiest scapegoat? A video game that has blood in and cuss words in it.

Early PGU: I beat Star Wars the Force Unleashed II I liked it but man that game was short.. Mass Effect 2:This might sound gross to some but it seems Shepard is going to hook up with Jack.. I'm trying to hook him up with all the female characters but it seems I pissed off Miranda after helping Jack.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 11:04:15 PM

Yeah I pissed off Miranda doing the same thing, but Jack is right about her, she's a total Cerberus b*tch.

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tridon
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 10:59:44 PM
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I work with a guy who has a 7-year old son and he lets him play GTA and CoD all the time. I swear, in one sitting, he can go from a conversation about him and his killing people online to questioning why his son got into a fight in school. Video games aren't the problem, parents are.

Oh, and by the way, it's very hard for me to just bite my tongue and not go off on him in some kind of fanboy pro-violent-video-games rant.

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Highlander
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 11:08:25 PM

Maybe a better rant would be to wonder aloud why any parent would let their child play a game where they do the kinds of things that you do in GTA4 or CoD. I don't mean in an incredibly conservative (small 'c'), but seriously, it doesn't take much parenting talent to understand that M-rated games are not intended for kids.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 11:16:49 PM

Highlander

Exactly. If anything parents are the ones who are responsible for the content their child/ren indulge in. It's like saying let's blow up the world because violence will only continue if we don't. Where does that get you?

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:28:11 AM

If the parent bought the game and says it's okay for their 7 or 8 year old to play, then clearly the fault lies with the developer. :P

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:42:35 AM

just2skillfool,
That reminds me of a quote I read somewhere, although it has almost no relevance here: 'Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity.'

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 11:04:40 PM
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It's not until one gets an idea that he decides to run off with it. Nice one Fox. Nice.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 11:10:43 PM
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Gahlee. When are people gonna see the fun in things again? It's always the link between video games and vulgarity. Can someone look at the many examples of positive reinforcement games have on the young. Like self-defense, or passionate vendettas. Dammit! These ideas need to be stressed just as strictly!

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Temjin001
Tuesday, February 08, 2011 @ 11:54:28 PM
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As I was playing Gears of War I was pondering this news story while shooting alien's heads off and battling out with my gang of AI buds.
I work full-time, I attend college 3/4 time, I go to church every week, I have 2 children and a wife, and, usually, my fav way to spend the end of the night is by playing some fun games. Games like Gears, KZ, Ninja Gaiden etc.

It just seems so backwards to me to have a windowless-padded-room philosophy by these whistleblowers who wish to spend their time censoring more than they do encouraging a lifestyle of growth and prosperity. We really just need to leave it to religious beliefs as the compass for one's morals in these sort of circumstances.

First, Ben hit it good by pointing out that these old-fogies who get all up fired up over this stuff still recognize the medium as a children's one. So whatever gaming is doing, it must be out to get your children screwed up if a game is made like Bulletstorm. Therefore, we need to prevent your children from changing into murderous, raping, thugs.

So follow this thought process through. Where does this restrictive, repressed, censored and regulated, ideology take us? What does Lieberman want? Safer children? or more regulations and laws that limit choice? The more we limit our freedom to choose for ourselves the less capable of a person we become. That is, living a sheltered overly protective life will prevent us from flexing our own decision making muscles, becoming stronger as a result of it. There's plenty of stuff freely available for me to do today that I choose not to do because I've decided for myself it isn't good for me, or my family. Similarly, the quantity of time I choose to spend on tasks are measured out as well. And much of this has come about from freely learning, choosing and growing on my own.
There's only so much a governing body can do to protect us. And preventing or suppressing games like Bulletstorm just isn't one of those areas that the government needs to intervene.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:25:07 AM

Good point about what Ben pointed out. I had no idea rape charges were down 40% in 2009 compared to the year before.

Sounds to me like Fox News has got a bad case of "Temper Tantrum". Bulletstorm is bad for kids and should not have been made, we're right, you're wrong, lalalala, I can't hear you're counter-arguments, lalalala!! Only chldren play video games, lalalala!!

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:26:25 AM

Sometimes parents have got to be parents, no amount of hand wringing on Fox, legislation at the state or federal level will alter the fact that until parents step up to the mark and DO their bloody job, nothing will change except the level of freedom that society in general has. And I don't blame the government for this, it's the sheeple that think that someone has to do something. Anytime it's said that 'someone has to do something', the someone is invariably the government. In this instance, if parents did their job, 'someone' else wouldn't have to try.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:36:02 AM

Good point Highlander.

So the responsibility doesn't lie on the parents, the parents turn to the government to do the parenting for them.

The government already put the ESRB in place to monitor video game content. Certain games with explicit ratings can't be advertised in certain places, eg, M17+ games before 9pm.

With government facilities in place, it is therefore up to the parents to acknowledge the rating system and enforce it. What more can the government do? Ban violent video games? Germany tried that, and everyone there either imports or downloads their games illegally now. They killed off a portion of business in their own country, meaning less money going back into their own infrastructure.

Should the US ban violent video games, money will just go to whatever country doesn't ban them or it won't go anywhere at all with people downloading these games illegally.

Perhaps M or R rated video games should not be displayed or advertised at all? Much like magazines and films, sold upon request from storage? I get the feeling some video games may go this way.

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 9:03:37 AM

@Dancemachine
The ESRB is an industry run ratings board, not government run. Though I do believe they were under threat of having the government create panel to rate games.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:19:33 AM
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Just throwing this out there for arguments' sake.

Perhaps it's the interactive nature of the video games industry that many people like parents, FOX news and church officials are afraid of.

I think many of them know video games are for adults as well as kids. Some might be concerned that the choice of action given to the player in video games creates negative effects on the person's personality or moral choices in life.

But, looking at the article, that's not what they're arguing.

"Bulletstorm is bad for kids!!" - No freaking way!!! Really?!?!? I swear, that M17+ rating gave me no clue!!! And the title sounded something similar to a Nickelodeon cartoon, I mean, seriously?!?!? Violence and swearing in a game called Bulletstorm?!?!?

I wish for once, just ONCE, that FOX can do some REAL reporting on the REAL problem at hand. Lazy or ignorant parents allowing their children to play these games in the first place. I doubt FOX will ever wake up to reality though, cos then the blame would shift to American mums and dads (yes, mums, I'm Aussie), and away from the developer who created such "filth".

It's funny. Democracy really does work. You allow games like Bulletstorm to be sold (legally to mature adult gamers), but then complain about its immorality and terrible themes. Well, only FOX News does the complaining, I'm yet to hear a peep from other News.

I've got a solution. Get the head of ESRB or Cliff Bleszinski to be interviewed on FOX News to explain to the ignorant fools what "adult content" is, what an M17+ rating means and whether or not they directed this game at children at all. Actually, nah, that would make too much sense and make FOX News look bad.

As for Fox News themselves, even funnier than stuff shown on the Comedy Channel, especially those talkback segments. :P

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:30:28 AM

The scariest thing in the world, well the two scariest things in the world, are the facts that John Stewart's show is more news worthy than Fox News, and Stephen Colbert is often more believable than the very people he tries to parody. There are times when I sear you can see in his face that he knows the reality already out did the parody. How can two topical comedy shows that intentionally parody the news be more factual and news worthy than an entire news network? I don't know either, but it's true. As John Stewart would say - you can't make this stuff up.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:44:42 AM

And that's why I love Colbert and Stewart!!

When they interview others, they use the same tactics as FOX News such as shouting louder or interrupting guests frequently. But the questions they ask only strengthen the facts the guests offer.

For example, Colbert interviewed the head of the Socialist political party and argued with him that Obama was a socialist, and kept pushing that topic over and over. The head of the socialist party just simply explained everything Obama does that's different to the socialist party.

Had that been FOX News, they would've interviewed a corrupt politician or bias author that would've agreed with everything FOX News would want them to agree with.

Colbert and Stewart are definitely more news-worthy than FOX simply because of the people they interview being more intelligent and knowledgable of everything going on. And they love making fun of themselves if they're wrong, something FOX would never do.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:21:06 PM

Even scarier is that you think Jon Stewart is a journalist.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:11:47 PM

Jawknee,

I never said John Stewart or Stephen Colbert are or were journalists, merely that their news parody shows have more journalistic integrity than FOX News. And, I'll stand by that comment.

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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:45:23 AM
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Hmmm, fox news, well the bulletstorm game review or dissaproval of it, couldn't be a big hub bub as the so called GREEN PIECE, GLOBAL WARMING crap that's spewed from the other networks.

Or is that global cooling, or is that climate change? Bill Mahr is funny, i give him that, he has conservatives on, but where are the scientists who literally DISAPPROVE of global warming, or meteorologists, or people who can back it up with proof?

Like i said, he's funny, but he is very dangerous when it comes to pushing his left wing agenda.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:54:56 AM

Very true about the whole Global Warming thing.

Here in Australia, average temperatures have dropped over the last few years and rainfall is up a significant amount along the Eastern side of the country.

It's all sensationalist bull that simply aims to attract viewers. I've never watched more than a minute of FOX News and I never plan to. If the clips from Colbert and Stewart are anything to go by, I'd likely change the channel before my IQ slipped down any further.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:27:36 AM

Guys, global warming doesn't necessarily result in local warming in every location of the globe, it simply feeds more energy into the atmosphere that results in more violent storms - like the recent one that hit Australia, and more extremes of weather, both warm and cold. But the thing is, the effect of humans on the atmosphere of the earth is undeniable, we spew billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the air that otherwise would not be there. What's at issue is what effect that has,m and how does it affect the future climate. The jury is still out on that, no one can prove it either way since it's yet to happen.

Incidentally Marcus, no one suggested anything political here, the only comments I've seen have been regarding the factual (or not) nature of FOX News.

Last edited by Highlander on 2/9/2011 2:28:42 AM

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:39:44 AM

Kinda gone off topic, but here's what it comes down to.

FOX News is not always trustworthy and I will never watch it.

Bulletstorm looks like awesome fun, and since I'm 23 years old, I'm gonna buy it and enjoy it.

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matt99
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:50:24 AM

Like Highlander said, Global warming doesn't necessarily mean warmer temps in your area, what it refers to is the overall temperature of the earth which is rising faster than natural cycles, indicating it's man made. The clearest evidence of this is at the polar regions.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:31:54 PM

Uh huh, and a recent increase I sunspot activity surely has NOTHING to do with a changing climate. I guess Martians should stop driving their SUV too because Mars was getting hotter as well. Notice I said was. Because the planets have actually been cooling. Look it up.

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sirbob6
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 3:37:58 PM

@ Jawknee, Well the more sunspots you have the cooler it is so if those were really affecting us it would be cooling.

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matt99
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 3:44:59 PM

Thanks for the advice Jawknee, I did look it up. And you're right some of the other planets are cooling and it is also thought that the sun is cooling as well, but earth however is NOT. This clearly indicates that humans have influenced earth's warming. What is being debated by scientists is the level of human involvement, but the vast majority agree that it is in fact real.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:08:09 PM

Jawknee,

Sorry, but you are so wrong. Humans have had demonstrable effects on our planet's atmosphere and climate. The argument really isn't about whether we have the impact, it's about how much impact there is, and how that will ultimately play out in our climates.

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main_event05
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:05:10 AM
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C'mon. This is Fox, the network that canceled Family Guy 2 or 3 times.

Also, that whole, "Videogames makes kids angry and homicidal", bullshit is getting tired. Parents need to step up and parent and stop blaming outside sources for their f*cked kids.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:22:52 AM

Fox News had nothing to do with the canceling of that show, just thought id point it out

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main_event05
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:06:26 AM

might i ask who was responsible? The leprechaun who tells you to burn things?

Last edited by main_event05 on 2/9/2011 2:08:01 AM

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MadPowerBomber
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:08:04 AM

Same media umbrella, different branch of that umbrella. It's all FOX, sure, but FOXNEWS as a network has little to do with the goings on of their other channels, and/or affiliates, and even less to do with the film studio's goings on. A lot of what FOXNEWS rails against comes off supremely hypocritical when you look at the movies they have and continue to release into the public.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:44:41 AM

How about people accepting responsibility for their actions?

It feels like in this modern age we're constantly playing the blame game, looking for something else to take responsibility for our own actions or the actions of others.

First it was music genres. Then comic books. Then television. Now video games. No more blaming. If these objects of entertainment have an age rating on it, then there is no excuse.

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main_event05
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 9:30:53 AM

haha, sry arron. I misread and didn't see Fox News, but all in all its the same network. I didn't say fox news, i said the fox network.

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:47:45 AM

Regarding the "FOX umbrella" and Fox News and Family Guy being on opposite sides of the umbrella. Responding to how a show like Family Guy can get away with it's making fun of Fox News and it's personalities, Seth MacFarlane once said (in a Family Guy commentary), "Rupert Murdoch is a republican second and a capitalist first. As long as Family Guy is making money for him, he'll put up with just about anything."

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___________
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:41:57 AM
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wait, so its "the worst game ever made" because of the name of the kill shots?
my god, the media are dumber than they look!

"If a younger kid experiences Bulletstorm's explicit language and violence, the damage could be significant."
ahhhh, maybe thats why the games rated M no?
last time i checked M rated games are not for kids!
why dont we here these same people saying the same things about the hills have eyes, or hostel, or the other sick shit out there?
one day these people will wake up and understand games are not only for kids!
...............one day

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MadPowerBomber
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 4:53:38 AM

Oh they had their say about horror flicks. There's a documentary, Going to Pieces: The Rise and Fall of the Slasher Film, which illustrates just how far crazy parents who didn't just want to control what their children viewed, but everyone else's as well went to curb the ticket sales and production of horror flicks in the 1980s.

The issue arises from the idea that video games are for kids -- similar to how comics are viewed that way STILL. These ignorant folks see these kinds of games being made and they'll purposely ignore any kind of ratings systems -- self-regulated, or inflicted alike -- and go with what they believe to be true; which is usually that video games are made and marketed towards children.

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crunchy_nut_kid
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:56:40 AM

@ _______ its very hard for the media to be stupider than they look, because they look VERY stupid.

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___________
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 7:44:39 AM

i know that, its just stupid how the whole things are rated though.
there whining kids could easily get there hands on this.
well kids could not easily get there hands on hostel?
O, and last time i checked getting your hands on a M or MA game is not easy!
i remember up until i was like 19 i was still being asked for ID every single time i bought a MA game which is 15+
its not easy to get a game underage, unless your buying from the black market or online stores but thats to be expected.
plus the ps3 and 360 have parental controls, if parents can be stuffed they can put limitations on there so you need to enter a pin to play a game/ movie over a certain rating.
theres heaps of measures out there to stop this from happening, parents just need to get of their lazy asses and use them!

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:09:49 AM
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Oh, crikey. They just can't bloody help themselves, can they? How much more sensationalist BS are the masses going to have to endure before gaming can be realised as a mature entertainment medium, on par with film, television and radio? The ESRB/OFLC exists for a reason, and that is to keep potentially harmful games out of the hands of the youth that may be harmed by them. Any parent with half an ounce of sense would see the name Killzone, or Bulletstorm, or Grand Theft Auto, or even Call of Duty and do a double-take, realising that the very name gives away something of the nature.

Having such a violent or suggestive name should instantly make one want to delve deeper than the surface, and look at the rating. Perhaps look up some information on the game at hand to see whether it might be suitable for children. Now, of course children can be harmed by seeing violence, drug use and constant coarse language. You only have to look at society to be able to get a gauge of that. And of course seeing it in a video game can have the same effect as reality, and the same goes for movies.

Just as a side note: I remember one parent saying to me that they caught their children (I believe the children were six and eight) having sex. I was, understandably shocked, and when I asked them what might have prompted this, they said that they watched porn in full view of the children. Absolutely disgusting parenting. Children will copy what they see, and being surrounded by this will have an adverse effect on their development into 'normal', law-abiding citizens.

But to get back to the article: How can these people attribute a rise in rape (true or not) on people acting out sexual situations in video games. Besides Heavy Rain and GTA: San Andreas, give me a single, commercially available video game in which you are able to control a sex scene. That's right, only in Japan. Wait...

Look, it doesn't matter. The only real way in which a child will be exposed to a game rated M is if a parent buys it. And if the parent is stupid enough, or naive enough, to do that, then I truly feel sorry for the child.

Sure, Bulletstorm may be a gratuitously violent game with sexual overtones, and an obscene amount of coarse language and content. We know and acknowledge that fact. You don't need to drill it into our heads. What FOXnews, and the general media, as well as the mass populace needs to realise, is that video games are not solely for children. They are not just iPhone apps. Over the past thirty years they have evolved from Pong into fully realised tales, with content that is made for adults. There is a reason for the ratings.
Peace.

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JSwayze
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:55:31 AM
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FoxNews should be ban from life. FoxNews & BET has to be the worst programming on TV

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:50:42 AM

Never heard of BET. What is it?

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:53:52 AM

It's a television network in the US.

http://www.bet.com/

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JSwayze
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 11:10:58 AM

Black Entertainment Tv, sorta like MTV but worst. The owner of the network says the channel is to promote and up lift the race but it does the complete opposite....it's horrible

Like how Lifetime is for up lifting women but all it show is women getting raped, murdered or cheated on

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main_event05
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:25:51 PM

That's what i've been trying to tell people, that BET is destructive but I always get called an Uncle Tom or some equivalent for it.

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FM23
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 4:00:48 AM
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Boy this is pathetic...Fox and the ridiculous need for psychologist. Just like analyst, they can predict the obvious and/or state a reasonable, but unlikely outcome because the present facts back up their 'proposed' future...this is one profession I definitely stayed away from...very pointless and they get paid to do what people do for free with friends and family.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 7:03:08 AM

I have studied psychology, and Ben will agree with me that the profession is a lot more in depth and focused on any topic they study compared to a family conversation or argument between two friends.

I won't go into boring details, but psychology demands a healthy number of samples or participants who must undergo questionnaires or tests that reflect certain aspects of the population. Look up or subscribe to any psychology magazine and you will find several tests completed each year that either prove or disprove the existence of violence linked to video games alone. There are always other factors that lead to acts of violence.

For example, an adult and a child around 6 years of age were in a room with a knock 'em sock 'em blow up clown. The adult punched and kicked the clown, and when they left, the child did the exact same thing. Some other children around 5 - 6 years old were shown the clown, but not demonstrated how to use it. The boys started hitting it, the girls either danced or bounced on it. Does this mean murderous acts of violence and rape are linked to knock 'em sock 'em blow up clowns? Of course not!!! (But we have seen a decline in their production because of this study)

Basically, having one psychologist coming on saying Bulletstorm links to acts of violence is typcial bias reporting from FOX News. I wouldn't be surprised if 20 other psychologists perform this study and it comes back negative or with differing results.

And again, please do not disregard the studies of psychologists. There is a lot of work that goes into any study, many often taking years to complete and showing significant results, one way or another.

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MadPowerBomber
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 4:48:45 AM
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History Lesson:

In the 1950s, some crackpot psychologist by the name of Frederick Wertham wrote a book called Seduction of the Innocent. While Wertham did testify in the Albert Fish trial and declared him insane, he wrote in this book that juvenile delinquency could be attributed to comic books. This led to senate hearings on the subject with the end result being that comics got off the hook as they did nothing of the sort. However, a group of publishers that published the kinds of comics that EC Comics didn't, got together and formed the Comics Code Authority that specifically targeted all the comics that EC DID publish. The CCA ran EC out of business and neutered the comic book medium for over thirty-years.

Current Events:

Crackpot psychologists, journalists, and angry moms across the country are constantly looking for a source to blame for the evils and atrocities that kids do to one another, 'cause their dear sweet little angels are perfectly incapable of doing those things on their own and find solace in blaming the newest form of entertainment available: video games.

If we're not careful, if we don't protect our medium of preference, the same could happen here, I fear.

However, just as Crime SuspenStories didn't make little Jimmy steal that car, and Tales From the Crypt didn't make Billy remove someone's head at the shoulders and raise the dead; Bulletstorm isn't going to make neither Billy and Jimmy rape anyone.

Children can handle and process information a lot better than anyone gives them credit for; and this hiding them behind a cloth of blackness to protect their eyes from anything and everything only creates the desire to experience those things even greater.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:33:43 AM

An interesting parallel to be sure. But it ultimately comes back to censorship in my mind. There was no censorship for comics, so one was created by the CCA in order to drive a competitor out of business.

There is a ratings system for games, which leads me to believe that it would take a governmental level change in ideology to bring mass censorship to video games, and I really don't see that happening. Sure, the Californians are lobbying for a change in the ratings, or trying to censor... something or rather, but I don't think that it's enough to overthrow the ESRB. For now at least, video games are safe from the fate that befell comics.
Peace.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:32:45 AM

Lawless,

What's required is for society to undergo a change where parents are held responsible, and start taking responsibility for their children and what their children have access to. I'm not talking about legal or criminal liability - except where already defined by law, I'm talking about morality, and how we as a society deal with issues. The problem on this issue isn't the games or the developers or the rating system or the retailers, it's the abject failure of parents to control their children's entertainment, and the failure of society to recognize that failure as the problem rather than taking the easy road of blaming the new media.

FOX plays into that kind of agenda because they know it plays well with conservative viewers (small 'c') of all ages, but particularly their main demographic which tends to be older and more conservative (small 'c' again). Other news networks do similar things, just not in such emotive or sensational terms. But the problem starts with poor parenting.

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SplendidBlended
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 4:51:38 AM
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HIDE YO' KIDS, HIDE YO' WIFE, HIDE YO' KIDS HIDE YO' WIFE CUZ VIDEO GAMES ARE GONNA MAKE YOUR KIDS RAPE EVERYBODY OUT HERE.

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crunchy_nut_kid
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:53:05 AM

lol

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crunchy_nut_kid
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:52:39 AM
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im 15 years old, and i'm already screwed up. this game isn't going to show anything i haven't seen before in other games. i would be disappointed if there wasn't any hilarious names for kills!! 'gang bang''rear entry''drilldo', lolol!!

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 7:08:58 AM

Just curious, if your parents don't buy the M rated games and retailers don't sell it to you without the right ID, how do you get your hands on them?

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kraygen
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:03:08 AM
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Man there is a lot of Fox bashing. Is this article dumb? Yes. Have they done other video game articles that were dumb? Yes. However other news sources do the exact same thing.

I'm not a fan of fox news or any news for that matter, but I'd just like to point out that all mainstream media takes this approach to gaming.

It's not just Fox news, it's all news. Mainstream media is controlled not by fact, but by people with money. News is mostly twisted false hoods, so regardless of the source it's usually been twisted by the time we see it anyway.

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Orvisman
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 8:06:35 AM

Amen!

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 11:03:01 AM

Yes, but they sensationalize it. See Highlander's comment a few comments above.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:24:00 PM

Amen Kreygen.

They all do it simcoe. Especially left wing media.

Last edited by Jawknee on 2/9/2011 12:28:26 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:50:20 PM

lol @ Jawknee.

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Simcoe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:04:09 PM

Really? I guess I'm not sure which media outlets you consider left-wing, but so far none of the other major media outlets in the US (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, nytimes) seem to have an issue with Bulletstorm. I suppose that might change, but we'll have to see if they use a headline as sensational as "Worst Video Game in the World", or try and link usage of sexual innuendo's in Bulletstorm with rape.

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kraygen
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:13:08 PM

I wasn't saying that all mainstream media has made these claims about bullet storm, but that they have written these kinds of articles about video games in general.

And to say that fox is the only media that sensationalizes it is silly. What do you call it then when other media outlets write these types of articles? It is the same with all mainstream media, they don't understand video games and so they write these articles to stir people up about things they don't understand.

To be fair though, they do it with other things than video games as well. That is what the news is. Events blown out of proportion and sensationalized to draw attention from the public. This is why I personally hate the news.

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Sir Dan
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 7:29:37 AM
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Yeah the Fox bashing is pretty funny. Silly story yes but I've seen every major news outlet run this kind of story through the years regarding a video game. This is just what the makers of Bulletstorm wanted. Great publicity. It's for adults not kids.

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LightShow
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 7:40:15 AM
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regardless of your opinion of FOX, every network does this. Does anyone know how long it took them to catch on to the internet? And everybody uses the internet. Games arent as popular as the internet, expect it to take much longer and GET OVER IT.

this should have been marked as an editorial piece. half of it was reporting and half was complaining about how the mass media doesnt understand gaming and how much it frustrates the author.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:11:45 AM

Truth. All media outlets and news centers have their own standards and agendas.

It's just cool to thrash Fox the most.

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A2K78
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 8:45:15 AM
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"The ESRB/OFLC exists for a reason, and that is to keep potentially harmful games out of the hands of the youth that may be harmed by them."

You actually trust the ESRB? I don't and you know why? the way they rate games actually tend to inconsisent with the content in the game...it almost like these people half play a game and slap some random label onto it.

Don't get me wrong, but the ESRB is a great alternative to government regulation but at the same time its an organization in dire need of internal reform.

"Good point about what Ben pointed out. I had no idea rape charges were down 40% in 2009 compared to the year before."

rape-related charges are dropping for one reason...much of these so-called rape-related charge are merely based false allegations:

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1719

for video games leading to violent behavior, anbody that clearly believes that violent entertainment cannot lead to violent acts is fooling themselves.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:56:30 PM

The reasons for their ratings may occasionally be off, but I've not yet played a game that I thought was rated incorrectly.

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tes37
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 9:25:14 AM
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The truth never seems to be an issue with network news anymore. The game is clearly made for adults and that fact alone makes Fox News' story pointless and stupid.

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Bigtuna1
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 9:55:45 AM
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Seems to me that this article is no better than the Fox article. I mean using the popularity of Fox news to grab some attention to your site Ben, really pathetic. Most of the commentors are so quick to defend gaming and the stereotypes attached but find it ok to stereotype Fox or conservatism in general. If any of you would use some common sense and do a little research you would find that Fox's main competition(MSNBC) has way more articles bashing video games than Fox.

But hey, don't let those pesky little things called facts get in your way of bashing Fox, since it's the cool thing to do around here. Keep drinking the antiFOX propaganda and come and read articles like this to know all you need to know. That way you never have to actually watch Fox. Just keep reading what others say about others because we all know it's the best way to get your info(sarcasm).

Sorry Ben, but it seems pretty sad that you would let your emotions or personal opinion get in the way of good jurnalism. We all know that there is an age restriction tied to the game and that Fox didn't have a leg to stand on, but to use this as an opportunity to rant and get some attention is just sad, really sad.

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tes37
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:04:12 AM

You evidently don't watch Fox too closely. Anybody that promotes micro chipping your children is not conservative. That was promoted by Sean Hannity, a supposed conservative.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:11:55 AM

Exactly. There are far worse media outlets than FOX News. But it seems that that's being overlooked in the comments here. But whatever. I really try not to pay attention to news stories like this or comment too much on them. It just fuels the fires on all sides.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:23:11 AM

the fact that other news organizations have failings too, does not excuse FOX News' complete disregard for fact or objectivity. FOX is by far the worst offender when it comes to fabricating news from opinion, or simply fabricating news. Do the sins of ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN make FOX any more pure? Of course the other news organizations have their problems, FOX simply is the worst in every way. That's not FOX bashing, that's demonstrable fact.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:24:56 AM

Attention? You really think this is getting us attention? ...okay. I don't care about FOX or any other source. I used to work for a FOX affiliate. I don't really trust any mainstream news source because they're all in it for business purposes.

This is also a piece for discussion and more of an editorial, which is obvious in the wording. Thought you might've caught that. I wrote for the newspapers. I know how to write news, and I know that sans-opinion is the only correct way to do it. I've also written about how running a video game site is a TAD different in today's world. Feel free to find that article if you like.

Sounds to me you're being entirely hypocritical by bashing my integrity due to your OWN emotions. If you want to desperately defend FOX for your own personal reasons, that's your own problem. The article isn't slamming on FOX; the article is slamming on mainstream theories in general. ...again, thought you might've noticed that. Maybe you should read more books, or something.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 2/9/2011 10:26:43 AM

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matt99
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 11:00:28 AM

Ben-1 Bigtuna-0

But seriously, this article was clearly made to incite a conversation about something that affects all gamers. Because if these erroneous mainstream views on gaming spread far enough we will see heavy restrictions on our games. In fact it's already happening with that recent case with the Entertainment Consumers Association(I think that's what it's called). So we need to be aware of these views and correct them-intelligently.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:03:54 PM

Ben, maybe it's just me, but I got the vibe that there was a hatred shot specifically at FOX after you mentioned the percentage decline in rape by saying, "IT'S FOX." Then in the end, it starts talking about the media in general. Plus it looks like you have some personal history that might've leered the hatred a bit more towards Fox.

I don't think Tuna was trying to defend FOX desperately either. He's just trying to say that the article and a lot of the comments MIGHT be focusing too much on FOX specifically than the media in general.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not speaking for anyone's side here, but if I'm honest on what I interpret from the article and from what Tuna's saying, that's it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 3:01:03 PM

Well, it isn't. I don't care one iota about Fox or any other news source.

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Bonampak
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 2:08:11 AM

Wait a minute. This IS about Fox News. Let's not pretend here that it isn't.

It was Fox News who did everything it could to screw up this story about Bulletstorm while at the same time, once again portraying videogaming as the source of all evils.

Jesus. Everyone with a forehead knows that Fox News has a reputation for negatively covering video games without thoroughly investigating them. They just refuse to do it.

And here again we have another example of that.

Its insane that some Fox News fanatics come here trying to defend that network by claiming that "other networks do it". How the fudge is that even an excuse? It isn't.

The fact is Fox News screwed up again and THEY should be made responsible. No one else. Just that network. They did it. They need to own up to it.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:10:14 AM
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After reading the opening line of this article (parents beware) I really don't see the problem with this article as long as that perspective is maintained.

Is it over exaggerated? Yes. Is it by Fox news? Yes. But considering that every news media has an agenda or two, I take it with a grain of salt.

Personally speaking, I will not be allowing my children to play this game. As a parent, that's my right, and this game exceeds my household's tolerance level.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:36:19 PM

I agree that every parents out there needs to set a reasonable tolerance level out there on what their kids are allowed to be exposed to.

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AshT
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:13:06 AM
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Here we go again, dont they(Fox news) have anything better to do?

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Nynja
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:20:28 AM
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Simple answer:

Parents, do your research. It's your responsibility to know what your child is involved in.

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:25:17 AM

Exactly. Parents need to be parents and do their job. the blame resides with the parent, not the game. If a product is meant for adults, then no parent should be allowing their young children near it.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 11:21:13 AM

Logic made simple.

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daus26
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:24:17 PM

People might be surprise how excellent parenting can mean good things for their kids. What I mean by that, is that you can have your kids watch and play violent video games, but they'll have the moral thoughts that it isn't right in the real world.

When I say this, people go, "What?! You'll let your kids watch porn and violence?!" Well no. There are some innocence in younger kids that still must be protected so anything too sexual needs to be avoided. It's violence like shooting games and blood that younger kids shouldn't be influenced to do in real life with good parenting. For example, my little brother watches violent action movies and TV shows, but with the strict parenting they get, they're still what some would call "angels." However, I want to add that if parents out there are not comfortable with their parenting, they should just avoid violence in children all together. Otherwise, they can take a bit of it.

However a kid grows up, all depends on the parents. Freaking media needs to talk about that and not about all the violence from movies, games, etc. Seriously, watch every news shows out there that tell stories about kids doing violent things in real life due to violent video games. They all have one common thing and that's the fact that they hide in their little bedrooms/basement and play the dang game all day long. Compare that to the kids that play the game but with strict parenting and management. It's different!

Last edited by daus26 on 2/9/2011 1:25:58 PM

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Nynja
Thursday, February 10, 2011 @ 11:53:47 AM

@daus26

Didn't feel like elaborating that much on this subject after doing so for many many years. Thank you for doing it for me as I completely agree.

My younger brother is a great example, since he is much younger than me. He would watch me play the most violent games around at the time and all sorts of shooters. Now he's a gun enthusiast, or what I like to call a gun-nut. Yet, he's lead a good life so far. He's only 17 and holds a second degree black belt in TKD and teaches martial arts for part time work. He has been trying to start a weapon disarmament school that he's been petitioning for to present to city hall. Now he's getting ready to ship off to college. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and always attempts to avoid violence whenever possible.

Growing up with violent movies, video games, and media has steered his interests, but not changed the good person he was and still is. That has to do with the quality parenting and martial arts training.

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spiderboi
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:36:21 AM
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If I didn't know any better, maybe someone from EA know someone from Fox. These "issues" things heightens the hype for games, and usually results in the opposite reaction. MoH and CoD are good examples.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 10:41:51 AM
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Fox has always been a joke

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Jawknee
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:25:34 PM
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Wow all this Fox bashing is ridiculous.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:50:37 PM

And yet so warranted.

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Sir Dan
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:03:12 PM

Seriously.

In the contexted of this discussion, which is video games and the media, The fact Fox reported this has no bearing whatsoever. Google ABC, CNN, PBS, 60 minutes, MSNBC etc + "video game violence" and you find loads and loads of stories just like this. Fox has done nothing out of the ordinary here. The Fox news bashing in this thread is a product of a bias. Most likely political. No other explaination.

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 12:40:11 PM
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It's all about the parents looking out for their children. Not an outsider.

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The Doom
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:08:56 PM
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Seems to me that there's either hardcore Faux Noise supporters on this article or the thumbs down addicts are back

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daus26
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:28:54 PM

If there are hardcore FOX supporters, I'd say there are about 3.

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A2K78
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 1:16:53 PM
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"Parents need to be parents and do their job. the blame resides with the parent, not the game. If a product is meant for adults, then no parent should be allowing their young children near it."

Your're right on the fact that parents should be responsibile for the purchases they, but the same time the industry is just as responsible also.

"The reasons for their ratings may occasionally be off, but I've not yet played a game that I thought was rated incorrectly."

I have tons of games in my collection where the discriptor don't correctly match the content. To further add, there are university studies which also find inaccuracies in the ESRB ratings:

http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/249387.html

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jdt1981
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 2:36:30 PM
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Fox news is at it again huh?... I remember them slamming Mass Effect 1 pretty much equating it's sex scenes, which were nothing compared to what most movies have in them, with an interactive porno.

Ben summed it up perfectly in the OP. Soccer moms and the like need to get it through their thick heads that not all video games are made for children and this is why games have a rating system...

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blitz30952
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 4:21:30 PM
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Thought this link might be interesting too..
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/09/churnalism-fox-news-selective-quoting/

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Danny007
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 5:24:56 PM
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I'm going to feel sorry for the people that waste their money on this. Nobody waste your money on this crap.

I agree with Fox news 100%
Bulletstorm Demo = CRAP

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:05:36 PM

That's your opinion.

You don't have to buy the game, but you don't have to demand no one else buy it either.

You sound no worse than those mainstream news outlets trying to make peoples minds up for them.

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main_event05
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:27:10 PM

meh, you and Fox come to the same agreement but for different reasons.

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Lairfan
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 6:50:35 PM
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Well, I don't agree with Fox News in this matter, but I gotta say that some of those skill shot names are childish. Drilldo, really? I doubt all the sexual references have anything to do with the game at all; I guess they're just trying to be funny, but it isn't exactly hilarious IMO.

Anyways, back on topic: everyone's said it a million times, but I'll say it again. Parents need to pay attention to the ratings of games, not all of them are made for kids godd*mnit. There are millions of mature gamers out there that buy these games because of their mature content and stories, but obviously the irresponsible parent faction doesn't understand this. If they did, we wouldn't be having these discussions about why M-rated games are not for little 7-year old Johnny.

Basically, if you see the gigantic M in the bottom lefthand corner of the front cover of a game, don't f***ing buy it for your kid! Why the hell can't some parents understand this? Also, why are there an increasing amount of parents who can't understand this? Is this generation of parents just more irresponsible, lazy, or both (not trying to insult any parents on this site, I'm just talking about the stupid ones in general)?

Its literally as simple as saying, "No, you can't have that one. How about some Mario Kart?" I've done variations of that several times with my kids, and its never failed. I guess some parents just don't know how to say no anymore. Pretty sad, if you ask me.

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Lairfan
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 7:58:18 PM

EDIT that I couldn't make to the original post because it wouldn't let me:

And if we have more government regulation because of all this, and if eventually we have mature games banned in the US, then no form of media will be safe, whether it be movies, games, television, or comics.

In the immortal words of Jean-Luc Picard, "When the first link of the chain is forged, the first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, it chains us all irrevocably." "The first time any man's freedom is trodden upon, we're all damaged."

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Highlander
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 9:56:09 PM

Just an honest question, but why is it that people have this incredible amount of mis-trust in government regulation and yet are quite happy and willing to trust a private regulatory body instead. I don't get it because with government all the decision makers regularly have to run for re-election in free and democratic elections, or have to move on due to term limits. They are therefore completely accountable and almost by definition are there to protect their constituents - us. With a private regulatory body there is no oversight, no control, and the interests of the regulatory body are governed by the industry it represents. There is no democratic control, no way to remove the regulators from office, no accountability at all. The private regulatory body exists for the benefit of the industry, corporations and shareholders, but not the consumer at large.

So why are people so afraid of elected government but so trusting of industry self regulation? It's so counter-intuitive that it hurts my head.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, February 09, 2011 @ 8:43:27 PM
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The demo is great and all, but really this game feels like gears of war but first person and a different settings. Its not bad but that's what it really seems like though. This one won't be in my game collection for awhile. Also FOX should just mind their own business, since I don't see Bulletstorm being played by many immature children, maybe some but probably not enough.

Last edited by sha4dowknight05 on 2/9/2011 8:44:42 PM

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MyParentsRN00Bz
Thursday, February 10, 2011 @ 2:51:40 PM
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wow. I can't believe even this site is attacking conservative sites. I expected better from this site. dang

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GuyverLT
Thursday, February 10, 2011 @ 4:39:54 PM
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I expected to see conversation like this on youtube comment thread not PSX.

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Patri0t
Thursday, February 10, 2011 @ 11:32:02 PM
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Before I rant I want to say I agree 100% that it is the parent's fault that kids get these games and play them! The gaming industry should never be targeted! Now I have to say WOW. All the Fox bashing and what you can point to is one or two articles you disagree with. One of you even claimed to only have watched one minute of Fox and won't watch again? Maybe instead of playing video games 90% of your days you should cut it to 80% and try watching a program of value. I can think of at least four Fox News personalities that would back you all up on the parents/industry argument. Glenn Beck, John Stossel, Judge Andrew Napolitano and Gregg Guttfeld. There are more but I can't name them off the top of my head. Their mantra's are all about personal responsibility and freedom do do what you choose. Just don't come asking for others to fix you up for free after wards. But don't throw the whole network under the bus for a few people. Try it out, you might be surprised.
Now as for the kids. If you see a 40 - 50 y/o woman who looks lost in Gamestop and dressed like she shops at Kohls buying the game, strike up a conversation. Ask if she buying for her kid, let her know about the game. If their kids with them, speak up. Tell them "IT AIN'T FOR KIDS". Smack the parents if you have to, but let them know that their stupidity or indifference about these games is ruining it for us gamers and causing an industry to be targeted needlessly. If we force responsibility on these nitwit parents, we can bask in the glory of gory, the thrill of the kill, the best of the breast! (I think I'll trademark that last statement) Happy gaming!

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