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What If The Entire Gaming World Went Multiplayer Tomorrow?

Reading up on Jade Raymond's recent comments has really made me think: the industry continues to grow and expand, although it seems to have a definite expansion direction: multiplayer.

Raymond spoke about the emergence of social gaming and how the face of the industry has changed, and let's not forget that the two biggest game franchises - Call of Duty and World of Warcraft - are the most popular due to multiplayer. This is an entirely new phenomenon, although most just take it as par for the course these days; very few games hit store shelves without an online multiplayer option of some kind. That's why certain franchises that have always relied on the quality of a single-player campaign have fallen; it's why so many developers feel the need to either change or grow. And one thing really frightens us: the death of single-player. For some, it's just terrifying.

Realistically, that probably won't happen. Most all analysts and developers agree that the single-player experience won't disappear any time soon, and it remains crucial for the industry. But things are happening so quickly these days, the "distant future" may only be 10 years away. So fast forward and think- if every game went multiplayer tomorrow; if they could only be played online with other humans, what would be your reaction? I imagine some younger gamers, who basically only play online anyway, wouldn't mind in the slightest. They probably wouldn't even notice the loss. But older gamers certainly would...then again, it's a generation that has to disappear at some point, and later generations might not even know "single-player" video games ever existed.

Maybe it's just that one quote of Raymond's that strikes fear into my gaming heart: "it's more fun to play against humans." I really think that's subjective, and game genre does matter, but I also have a feeling I'm in the minority...so what do you say? You wake up in the morning and nothing you can buy will let you play alone. Just imagine...what would you think?

P.S. When answering the question, you're not allowed to assume you'll be playing with the girls in that picture.

Tags: games industry, multiplayer games, video games

2/13/2011 9:19:00 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (117 posts)

Radiohead
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 9:42:32 PM
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If this were to happen ill probaly give up gaming.

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maxpontiac
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:56:35 AM

Indeed. I might not give up gaming 100%, but I would find a new hobby.

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THEVERDIN
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:44:55 PM

I would go to Gamefly and rent the games I could. When I was done I would quit gaming.

Note to Dev's you should pay attention to people that help feed your families.

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LightShow
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 9:46:45 PM
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i'm with radio. i'd quit buying new games.

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Vitron
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 9:47:06 PM
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That'll be painful. No just no. Dom't they dare let that happen.


Nice PS though...



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NoSmokingBandit
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 9:47:56 PM
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One of the most satisfying parts of a great game is the story, imo. Any RPG fan will agree 100%. The problem with online-centric games is that the single-player lacks a strong story and it ends up being full of plot holes or making the whole thing feel disjointed.
Thats not to say that games without stories are bad. Mario never had much of a story and i dont think anyone can say SMB3 isnt one of the best games ever made. But Mario doesnt pretend like the story is a huge part of the game. MW2's story is pretty bad, but the game keeps insisting that it is great.

Maybe its because i've been gaming since as long as i can remember, but i tend to associate online-centric games with less talented developers. There is very little difference between MW and MW2's online gameplay, yet thats what most people buy the game for. People effectively pay $60 for a giant map pack. Then i'll pick up a game like Uncharted 2 that is 100% better in every single aspect, yet sold tons less copies.

So i guess it comes down to the developers pride. Comparing MW to Uncharted again, MW has a much bigger budget, a much larger staff, and one of the biggest publishers in the world yet they still make a game that doesnt hold up to Uncharted 2 in any aspect. Could you be proud of that?
Yeah, CoD sells more and makes a ton of money, but Nickelback sells more records than Steve Vai, but that doesnt mean they have accomplished anything with their music.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:46:26 PM

Agreed. It takes real talent to make a flawless game with a compelling story, and significantly less talent to say "Here are your guns, here are your levels, now go shoot people and make your own fun."

Not that it can't be great to make your own fun in a game, that's the appeal of MP, but I find it to be a weaker form of digital entertainment.

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Veitsknight
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:23:21 AM

What about Bioware's The Old Republic and NCSoft's Guild Wars? They are MMO's that have decent Stories. Bt id rather play single player games than MMOs.

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Beamboom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:05:33 AM

Well, The Old Republic is not launched yet so we don't know how good it is, however being BioWare it should be pretty safe to assume it's good...!

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556pineapple
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 9:57:56 PM
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Give me a game with a great single player campaign and multiplayer won't even cross my mind. I'll take the God of Wars and Mass Effects over the CoDs any day.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:47:02 PM

thumbs up to you sir.

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Beamboom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:00:52 AM

... But what if you could get a ME where you also could meet other players, roleplayers, who are returning from a defeat trying to take over a base. You call him up on the radio and he express his defeat. He was short on doctors. You then think of how well covered you are with docs onboard your ship and you two then agree on joining your forces to help defeat his enemy. On your way to the destination you get to know this captains engineer, some exotic race that apparently likes you too.. And so the story continues...

My point is, you guys have to broaten your minds. Multiplayer tomorrow need not be what multiplayer on the ps3 is TODAY. Multiplayer on the ps3 has hardly started!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 7:41:04 AM

Beam, we have a long way to go to find the online world populated by civil thinkers who are willing to give up their right to be a complete ass in order to help you have a better "story experience"

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coverton341
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:40:43 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself World.

When you introduce the human element to a story it is completely left up to where those humans want to take it and if they so choose, they can be complete tools about it and act like simple minded imbeciles.

When I play a game and I am looking for a good story, I want to be told an enthralling story and make choices and see the outcomes of MY choices, I don't really want to have other people interfere with a single player, story driven experience.

Now, on the other hand when I play a multiplayer game, I am looking for that human interaction and not necessarily wanting to have others involved with my story and don't want to impose what I think the story should be onto their game.

That's just my opinion though.

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 1:00:09 AM

Beam, I'd still rather play with/against the AI.

I play games like I read. I want to pick it up when I want it and put it down when I don't, without being concerned with other peoples interests or requirements.

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hellish_devil
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:02:38 PM
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Well, I'd probably start playing games I couldn't play before, that I always wanted but didn't have the time. And we all know, we've all missed some must-play gems. I'd like to play Shenmue, or Skies of Arcadia, or PSOne's Spyros.



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TheAgingHipster
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:51:41 PM

Yep. Time to bust out the old school consoles and rediscover the classics.

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Victor321
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:02:57 PM
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I'll buy less games in general (due to more time consumed in the games I would get), internet usage would go through the roof (and ISPs would go berserk and pulling out their hair due to that strain), the industry will stagnate in quality, etc.

In short, the future will be bright :)

/sarcasm

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DazeOfWar
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:17:07 PM
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I'd hate it. I enjoy multiplayer games but I really love my single player experiences. I love to get sucked into the stories and multiplayer just doesn't have that.

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Radiohead
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:25:20 PM
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I don't hate multiplayer its enjoyable especially local multiplayer back in the ps2 days and also local multiplayer in the ps3, playing online with other people is fun too but yeah i prefer single player games.

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Underdog15
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:29:25 PM
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Like everyone else here, I'd become much less of a gamer, for sure. I'm not even sure I'd invest in future consoles, if that happened.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:33:14 PM
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Like the others I would probably stop gaming, or buying new games anyway. I buy games for the glory, gameplay, and the story (if there is a story). No way in flaming hell would I sacrifice that for multiplayer. But I do see this happening to the industry, maybe not multiplayer only, but I'm start to see less SP only experiences.

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Jawknee
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:33:36 PM
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I wouldn't play as many games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:40:59 PM
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Alas my gaming days would be at an end and you could only find World with his nose in a book.

Gaming as always multiplayer? I would not have it so. In fact I am staying with my position that online playing should just be a bonus. It should hardly even factor into a review score if at all.

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TheAgingHipster
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:50:44 PM

Full agreement. I come for the single player experience and only rarely participate in multiplayer, typically only if it's local multiplayer.

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Gabriel013
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 1:01:58 AM

World, I really want to give you more than 1 thumbs up for this.

Multiplayer should only ever be an add-on.

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TheAgingHipster
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:48:51 PM
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God forbid. I don't participate in multiplayer because I don't like playing with peole I don't know. I will always fondly remember playing CounterStrike on the LAN at my college dorm with my hallmates, but it was our close acquaintance that made it fun. The only difference between single player and multiplayer against a faceless, nameless avatar is the crap talking if they win, and the cries of foul if they lose.

If all games go to online multiplayer, I will no longer be a gamer.

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Snaaaake
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 10:50:30 PM
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Then I'll quit gaming.
But I don't see this happening, not when Sony and Nintendo still exist.

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MadKatBebop
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:01:46 PM
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I would hate that. I would still play old games but I wouldn't buy any new ones. Multiplayer is fun with some games, in my experience the only enjoyable multiplayer games for me are the Battlefield series, and there the only games I'll buy for online only, other then that I play games for the singleplayer story, that's what gaming for me is all about.

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PasteNuggs
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:02:18 PM
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The Industry=Dead.

I see this a lot with my son. He hasn't finished KZ2, MOH, or BFBC2 single player but has played them all online extensively. As soon as I buy a game he wants, he goes straight to the MP. Only after long talks from me as to why he must experience these games for their stories and such will he even start the single player.

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MadKatBebop
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:09:12 PM

Besides BFBC2 I can never play online before I beat the campaign, its one of my main rules. I still haven't touched Dead Space 2's MP and I've platnimued it and beat it 5 times. The singleplayer is just to good.

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Alienange
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:07:28 PM
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I'm in the middle of playing Darksiders. I guess games like this wouldn't exist in a mp only world. To me, that would be a real shame.

I certainly would never quit playing games because that's just what I do. But like Jawknee mentioned, I too would just play less games. When it comes to online, one or two is really all you can play at a time. They're just so engrossing. I mean look at those WoW addicts. I doubt they even know what year it is now.

Something tells me though, that if the world went mp only, we'd eventually see a dev come out with a fantastic sp experience and gamers everywhere would look at it like some kind of revolution in gaming.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:09:36 PM
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@Paste2TheNuggs. Well, those ARE FPS games, alot of people only love them solely for the multiplayer.

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PasteNuggs
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:43:18 PM

Too add to my point though. I have a library of over fifty games and he won't touch any of them. His gaming is basically COD. I got him to play Bioshock for a little bit but he stopped for some reason although he says he loves it. He loves Star Wars but hasn't touched The Force Unleashed 2. At times, I literally tell him he can't play any shooter games for the day. He hates it, but I hope he will come to love SP games the way I have.

P.S. I don't consider games like Bioshock to be shooters. More like first person experiences with shooting added on.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:18:57 PM
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I think there is a significant issue with certain youths being unable or unwilling to stick to a lengthy narrative in this twitter fueled world. That's a generalization, but it's obviously easier for those shorter of attention span to pick and put down a deathmatch within the hour than to put in time to become attached to well developed characters and ingenious plot development.

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MadKatBebop
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:43:37 PM

I notice that a lot with kids my age. I'm taking a video game design class at my high school and all the other youth in my class hate the PS3 and everything Sony and love MS and Halo, CoD but only for there MP.

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:29:13 AM

No, that is a significant issue. The youth of this current generation are - I believe - extremely shallow culturally speaking. Everything to day is speed, and immediate consumption/gratification. Kids don't learn to take in information and think about it, they don't analyze, they respond. Everything is about reacting faster than someone else, whether it's texting before someone, posting 'first' or firing first in a game, or beating someone to a great deal. It's all about speed and reaction.

Story, character development, puzzles, skill, all of these things take time, practice, analysis or effort to learn and master. They are not about immediate gratification or reaction time. I think we are breeding a generation of people who lack so many of the basic cultural norms that most of us here grew up with, that we may not recognize society in just a few short years. There is no fellow feeling, the level of humanity and civility is at an all time low, then again, when you text or email someone in a split second, there's no time for civility or humanity, just respond! React! NOW!

And at this point, since I know there will be many people concluding I'm an old git who's just too old to understand, I'll cease prattling.

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Beamboom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:05:39 AM

"The youth of this current generation are - I believe - extremely shallow culturally speaking" ... and so it has been, ALWAYS! I don't know about you but when I think back to when I was in my early teens and the games I created then (yes I coded games when I was a kid, cause my chosen platform had practically no games) they were almost all fast paced, conceptually easy games, with characters often based on my favorite pop stars (!) like Boy George and Michael Jackson. Yeah I know, it sounds totally pukeworthy but that IS the mindset of a teen!

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:22:18 AM

@beanboom.

I completely understand, I've written some stuff in the dim and very distant past, but nothing was ever published...

As for this :

"The youth of this current generation are - I believe - extremely shallow culturally speaking" ... and so it has been, ALWAYS!

Definitely. That's the worst part. Every word I typed in that reply I felt like I was now the old crotchety gray haired man in the rocker on the porch complaining about those young whippersnappers. But in all seriousness, I remember being that age, and I remember being accused of being shallow and superficial. So I recognize that there is an element of my own bias, and an element of it always having been this way. However, I do also think that the societal trends in technology, communication and media consumption are having profound effects on the youth of today, effects that previous generations were not really subject to. I think that there is kind of a tipping point after which the accumulated effect of technological change and societal change and change in both entertainment and communication styles, methods and media, all these changes accumulate and when the tipping point is reached, something, or some things, will break. I don't know what exactly, but the paucity of communication these days is distressing to me. The rapid fire speed and brevity of communication destroys the ability to convey subtle or complex thoughts, concepts or other matters. People laugh and complain if you write more than 5 -lines in a post because you're long winded. Well, the thing is, sometimes 5 lines is sufficient only to introduce a topic. It's certainly not enough to fully convey complex thought on deep topics. But the way we are headed, 5 lines will be considered long winded.

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xenris
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:27:26 AM

No I agree with you highlander. I'm not really old, but even when I was younger, just in my teens I really enjoyed the single player experience and the story driven RPGs. Most of my friends did too because honestly console shooters just werent up to snuff. But these days kids opt for the instant gratification kill fest with copious amounts of aim assist. PC shooters back in my day when Counterstrike and Tribes were the shooter kings were hard as heck. You needed twitch skills and reaction sure, but you eventually had to learn strategy because if you didn't work with your team use grenades properly etc you would die. I dont see this anymore in CoD, its all about lone wolf instant gratification, oh you died heres some exp, died some more? How about this gun then to make you better....I swear its ridiculous.

I bring this up because the CoD fans think they are kings at shooters, however CoD has some of the most obvious and down right silly aim assist ever. Which allows the kids to react not respond even quicker to the battle around them. I truly think this is creating a generation of hyper kids with ADHD. Now I do love my shooters but as I stated out above I also really enjoy a good story and good characters always have.

The main problem with online only games is right now at least it could only be as good as an instance in say world of warcraft(no I dont play it) which honestly isn't that appealing, and is several steps below the single player storytelling bar thats been set by devs like Naughty Dog and Bioware.

Good news for anyone who liked Arkum Asylum, Rocksteady said that they didn't put multiplayer into Arkum City because they wanted to create the best single player experience ever, so I don't think SP games are going anywhere soon.

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hiverious
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 6:37:53 PM

"I think there is a significant issue with certain youths being unable or unwilling to stick to a lengthy narrative in this twitter fueled world."

I can say I find it terrifying that this is beginning to happen to me. I was ashamed to find myself glancing at my watch while watching Black Swan, and that movie isn't even 2 hours long!

With this being the information age, I suppose there's a push towards instant accessibility and with that comes less tolerance for things that require persistance. Why settle down to watch a slow burn drama when you can watch 10 minutes of cats being silly on youtube? Why invest in a well developed video game narrative when you can get instant action in a deathmatch?

I know most of my friends would prefer mindless entertainment like Transformers or multiplayer to alternatives such as The King's Speech or Uncharted 2. It's sad, really.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:21:14 PM
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Well, I can't speak much for MP games, as I've only been playing my first one now(KZ3 beta), but surprisingly so far, I've been enjoying it.

But with that said, don't dare do away with SP modes, or I'll wind up going retro even faster than I'm doing now & my next hunt will be for the other 21 games I still need to complete my newest gaming collection, the retro "3D "Virtual Boy system that I just bought.

And as for those gals in the pic, no thanks, I'm just not into picking runts of all the litters.

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Lord carlos
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:12:05 AM

Short stints with that virtual boy biker,or it will fry your brain :)

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BikerSaint
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:41:04 AM

Lord carlos,
Yeah, I know what you mean, I could only take about 15 minutes of playing Mario Tennis on it.

But no worries if games go all-out MP only, especially since I just ended another one of my 3 major Big Game Hunts every year.

I'm now at 30 gaming systems w/2042 games in my collection. So now I have a nice backlog of at least 1600+ games I still want to play & choose from.

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Lord carlos
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:09:41 AM

WOW
I think you've got 3 life times worth of gaming there,something to be proud off!
Fair play to ya :)

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Eld
Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 11:53:09 PM
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I guess I would start reading books more, since there would be no new games left to play:(

I like games with emphasis on story, mainly games from RPG genre, so such gaming world would not appeal to me. Unfortunately co-op action oriented gameplay is creeping even into traditionally single player RPG genre, replacing quality story-telling.

Hmm, maybe I should just start learning Japanese right now. That would be the last place where something like this might happen... I think.

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:23:19 AM

I am doing just that. Starting off with japanese TV with subtitles to get used to the sound of the language. At some point both my wife and I will start learning real spoken Japanese and eventually some basic written Japanese. Enough to play the RPGs at least...LOL!

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Lord carlos
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:01:52 AM
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If single player went the way of the dinosaurs i think i'd take up knitting....Demolition man style :)

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:18:34 AM
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If the industry goes in this direction , they better hope that enough gamers stay in the gaming because I don't know that I would be buying any more new games. Games sell consoles not the other way around so 'IF' the whole industry went this direction, I don't think that it would be very good for console developer's either.

Wonder if they would even consider the extent of the damage the gaming industry would have to take if old school and new school gamers who live for the single player experience stopped buying games...

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A2K78
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:33:50 AM
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"Raymond spoke about the emergence of social gaming and how the face of the industry has changed"

Social gaming an emerging trend? How clueless is this woman, and I say this because the whole idea of social gaming have been around for ages and in a place I would like to call the arcade.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:39:05 AM

Oh yes. The arcade again. The place where the pale, friendless virgins first went to "congregate" with video screens rather than each other and the instant home consoles gave them an excuse to stay home, the arcades began to die.

It means exactly the same thing as playing with people all around the world inside our living rooms.

Yes. It's you who should have that "clueless woman's" job. Definitely.

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Kangasfwa
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:00:48 AM

Games dedicated to social interaction is the emerging trend. Friends have always gathered together to play games in the same fashion as a movie night with friends.

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PorkChopGamer
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:40:27 AM

I don't know ANYONE that went into an arcade alone in the early days. Do you? Even when you were playing a single player game, you had a buddy cheering you, trying to make you laugh to mess you up, or trying to coach you. Arcades were definitely a social place, a place to hang out, a place for competition. Times change. When's the last time that you've seen a phone booth? Tech can fit the arcade at home now for an affordable price. The average gamer now is too young to remember the good arcade days or are old and married, and haven't seen an arcade game worth playing in years. Nothing like a fistful of quarters, great friends, greasy pizza, amd a couple rows of machines to jump on. You are WAY off on something you seem to know nothing about.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:43:10 AM
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Wow Ben, the friendless virgin stereotype thing you said there was kinda harsh.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:05:16 AM

Only one group in the early days, really. We all have to admit what the majority of the crowds were.

As time went on and things like MK and DDR came about, it became more mainstream.

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___________
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:50:58 AM
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i would shoot myself!

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Kangasfwa
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:55:19 AM

Is "Hyperbole" your middle name?

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___________
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 7:16:23 AM

no, im serious.
it would be havok, having all the bloody 10 year olds swearing at ya, all the lebs blasting that shitty RMB through your speakers, all the idiots Tboning you, then if it was a sony game you would get booted offline every 2 minutes.
sounds like my idea of hell!

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Underdog15
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:12:54 AM

It's R&B, not RMB. Rhythm and Blues.

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rogers71
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 7:52:50 PM

I believe what you meant to say was "T-bagging".

I have seen you post some morose, stupid comments but to say you would shoot yourself just tops off a stack of mundane, illiterate comments. My hats off to Mr. No Name.

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The Doom
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 2:57:33 PM

@___________
Give urself a head shot :D

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Kangasfwa
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 12:56:55 AM
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What ever happened to swapping the controller with your friend on the couch as you play through the single-player campaign?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 7:44:54 AM

I do it every now and then :)

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th3_bLy
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:33:53 PM

I don't mind with some titles, but for some games I just can't do it. Maybe it's just me, but sometimes when I'm watching a friend play, I can't help but bug them about certain things. As in "why didn't you do that? I would have."

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Teddie9
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:26:35 PM

Splitscreen Co-op ftw! Thankgod for the next resistance :-)

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556pineapple
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 1:16:35 AM

@World: Ditto. Most recently with Alan Wake. It's the one thing I don't mind about my housemate getting an Xbox. He pretty much only got it for Rhythm Games and Windows Media Center, but I'm glad he got that game at least.

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556pineapple
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 1:16:48 AM

@World: Ditto. Most recently with Alan Wake. It's the one thing I don't mind about my housemate getting an Xbox. He pretty much only got it for Rhythm Games and Windows Media Center, but I'm glad he got that game at least.

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THEVERDIN
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 1:44:46 AM

My nephew and his friend and I played the whole Halo2 game like that, he owned a XBOX. We would swap when we hit a new area or level.

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:19:52 AM
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Well, let's see. Let's take this on a genre by genre basis. Multi-player or not?

RPGs? Story heavy games such as a typical old school JRPG? No chance, that's not a multiplayer experience, that's like saying reading a novel is a multi-player experience.

3rd person action adventure with heavy story such as the Uncharted games or Heavy Rain. No chance, these games are more like movies than novels, but really, when you go to the movies, the most you do is talk to the person next to you about how great such and such a scene was, It's solo experience that is shared in a secondary manner. Multi-player doesn't work like that. Online multi-player that is leaderboards and level scores and the like is more like that kind of secondary discussion of the movie experience, instead of a joint experience.

Racing games - Burnout Paradise proved three things. First of all, when it works, multi-player online racing is as fun as can be, secondly, when the cheaters and griefers move in, it becomes an unplayable P.O.S. and third, the solo play with online leaderboards is a great way for friends to compete both on and offline. GT5 continues to be good and bad in these same ways, as does NFS Hot Pursuit.

MMORPGs - Obviously, these are designed from the ground up to be multi-player online. However, WhiteKnight Chronicles presetned an interesting middle ground where your custom avatar participates in the actual story element of the game (albeit somewhat passively) and the online element provides some MMORPG questing and co-op play to help eachother level. I've never played World of Warcrack, and don't intend to, that kind of MMORPG experience is not for me, although it is clearly inherently multi-player by nature.

First Person Shooters. Doom proved very early on that online head to head death match was an awesome game mode. As that genre has expanded and improved, we have added co-op modes and team modes and other elements like capture the flag, so it's more than a simple frag-fest. However, the emphasis on the multi-player parts of these games is leading to a situation where there are not many first person action games that feature good solo play, because the concentration and game structure is built around multi-player. I think that solo play is actually a viable option here, but only if developers continue to support it, otherwise it's multi-player only.

Hmmm...sports games like Madden - for instance. I see the point of online leagues but as with the racing genre, the situation deteriorates rapidly when grievers and cheats take over. Personally, I'd rather play the games against the computer in that situation. Though some of the games do have strong multi-player support and community, so these are a mixed bag that can support either multi-player or solo equally well.

Board games/card games and such. Chess, checkers, poker, etc....these are OK against the computer, but because of the very nature of the games themselves, they actually work well online against humans since once we can exploit the AI we can win more often than not, but a human can change their approach and tactics. These I see as being equally good either way.

OK, this is going on and on and could continue to through every possible genre of game, but I think the trend is clear. Some game genre are suited to both solo and multi-player online gaming. But some genre have sacrificed solo players somewhat for multi-player online, which is a shame. The two biggest problems facing multi-player online are pretty universal, cheaters and griefers. Immature jerks who simply can't resist acting like total morons online ruin the experience by their mere presence in a game. They are capable of ruining any genre of game, and this is a problem. Sure you can game with real life or online friends, but when they're not online, what then? Random rooms - rooms full of a random assembly of who knows what that invariably include several jerks and several cheaters.

Personally, I prefer to play solo, and when I play multi-player, I prefer not to play with random folks, but instead with folks off my friends list. But the thing is, that if I have a group of friends who are better than I am at a particular game, then eventually I'm going to get annoyed at a game that I consistently lose, and play something else, and let's not pretend that doesn't happen to us all occasionally. At that point I'll play something off line since my friends are all still playing online.

Either way, the majority of my gaming is solo, and I don't plan to change any time soon. Jade whatever her name is might well be very smart and perhaps even a fine looking woman, but if she honestly thinks that all games can, or should, go multi-player, then she's not really very smart after all.

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:31:18 AM

OOps, forgot to answer the question. If all games went multi-player only? I'd buy up the back catalog of games I missed that still have single player, and exist on them. I'd read more, and spend more time doing other things, and probably spend more time with the family. Oh wait, in that case, please make more games multi-player, it doesn't sound so bad after all...

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gangan19
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:04:48 AM

yeah im with highlander, and also i would probably go back a play ps2...and i don't mind playing demons souls over and over lol

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:23:55 AM

Heck when you both put it like that, it sounds like a good thing, actually having time to do other things like spend time with the fam or dive deep into a backlog of past games that we simply just did not have time to indulge in.

Can you believe that I've only just picked up Metal Gear Solid 4?

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Ludicrous_Liam
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:08:41 AM

No, no I really can't o_0

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The Doom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:08:38 AM

@Highlander
But those folks on your friend's list were random strangers at one point, weren't they?

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:56:12 AM

Yes Doom, they were, and I'll likely add a few over time, but the ratio of people I am willing to add vs people I'd rather not meet under any circumstance is roughly 1:1000.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:39:37 AM
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I can't play online, so that'd be all she wrote for me. At least it'd probably get me out and interacting with people a bit more. Or I may go back to my old habit of reading from the time I got home until I literally couldn't see the words on the page anymore, then going and watching TV for a couple of hours before sleep. Hard to tell.

Semi-related, played CoD online at a mates place for the first time today. I found it to be a giant cluster****. Maybe it's just that I'm not used to CoD, but running around some fairly badly designed little village where you can't see a damn thing because of all the bends is hardly appealing to me. Maybe I'd just need to put more time into it.
Peace.

EDIT: P.S. To PSXE, have a great Valentine's Day. If you have someone special, make sure you treat them to something special. For all those bitter, lonely types, like myself, make sure you spread the word that it is a pathetic excuse for a non-holiday and anyone that celebrates it needs to be put down in the most horrible manner possible.

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FM23
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:01:06 AM

I will definitely treat my girl right and get some good lovin in return.

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FM23
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:00:41 AM
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I have never looked forward to MP in any game. I love story oriented games outside of racing games...so if I play a shooter..I want a story as well even if it does stink. Seriously, I would probably stop gaming. I mean I can't imagine not playing something like Demons Souls or GTAIV. I mean if MP took over, I would never have a MGS4, ME2, UC2, etc. experience ever again. That would really suck and my PS3 will officially become my personal blue ray player.

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crunchy_nut_kid
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:15:22 AM
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no single player and only multiplayer? that would suck for people without an internet connection

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Beamboom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:39:20 AM
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You guys are doing one *major* mistake here: Judging the entire multiplayer phenomena based on what little and limited you know of multiplayer on the ps3 today. Of course noone would trade singleplayer with fps-like client-hosted multiplayer. That's absurd. That's been on the PC for decades now, still there are single player games on that platform.
Instead you should try to picture yourself what multiplayer could be like, a "what if" scenario. Cause that's where multiplayer is heading, that's where the industry want to go.

What if you need not be alone in a game with a bunch of predictible, prescripted "dumb" characters but instead meet real, living and thinking characters? What if the game were large enough for you to choose your own path?

What if the Mass Effect universe had other spaceships floating around as well, each with their crew with real persons, each with their agenda and their challenges.

It's not like one eliminate the other. There would still be single player "narrative" in a multi player game. Still be npc's, still be possible to solo play. You just were not entirely alone.

And in this imaginary Mass Effect game the cities would burst with life. Not NPCs shouting the same prerecorded messages, but real life persons. Some has resources to sell from their explorations on some desolate planet with wildlife most soloplayers can only dream of defeating. Others are looking for your profession to recruit to their ship. Others again would simply want to waste some time playing a "minigame" or gamble in the local casino.

If you can picture this, then how bad would multiplayer be?

And before you say "that's not possible, it would only be teens shouting "noob, pwn j000"" - this IS possible. This has already happened, these are all experiences I've had, although in other games and not this imaginary Mass Effect. There are other roleplayers out there who play their characters. And roleplayers have a tendency of finding eachother in a massive multiplayer online rpg. I know cause I've been in the middle of it. I've had roleplayers all around me and loved every minute of it. Of course we still meet the teens who just play the game like any other game. But they are easily ignored and do not pose such a threat to your experience as you may think. Not at all.


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PorkChopGamer
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:57:35 AM

I agree with your comment somewhat,Beamboom. I understand what you arer trying to say. But if you're asking me to trust my ability of enjoying a game to the gaming community at large or continue to associate with pre-scripted automatons, I'll take the latter any day of the week.

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Beamboom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:10:17 AM

Pork, you are a good man. When the day comes where a suitable game is released I shall gladly pay your first month, including the game, just to take you aboard my ship and head where no man has gone before. Just to introduce you to this strange new world. And if you then still say "nope I prefer solo play" then I shall forever respect your opinion and never bother you with my preaches again. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:24:35 AM

I'll be perfectly honest, Beamboom. I don't want any of that.

I'm not interested in virtual reality. I'm interested in a relaxed escape. I believe your idea is amazing and would absolutely appeal to most every gamer (and maybe even every human) alive...everyone alive under the age of 30, that is.

I think when we get older, the hobby becomes more about relaxation and leisure than anything else. Ten years ago, I would've been plenty excited to consider your theory. Now, I just want to kick back with FFVII again. ;)

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Highlander
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:34:52 AM

BeanBoom,

I don't think I'm only focusing on the FPS multi-player issues. Look at casual multiplayer games like Farmville, they're full of cheaters and griefers too. It's a different sort of grief though. The cheaters use multiple accounts and scripts to obtain things that 'ordinary' players can't, the griefers are the players who act like tyranical slave drivers if you don't help their farm on the various team efforts, and spam your facebook wall with abuse if you fail to respond immediately.

In MMORPGs (and MUDs before them) gold farming and the sale of in-game items, save file manipulation, cheat codes all bring issues that MMORPG operators try to combat. There are several different kinds of griefers in these games ranging from the annoying ankle biters that just run around being a nuisance to the high level morons who prey on low level players preventing them from growing their characters. I'm certain there are more, but you get the idea, cheaters and griefers exist in multi-player games of all kinds in different ways. So it's not just the FPS phenomena that brings these issues.

Having participated in the early days of Home and seeing all the problems that foul mouthed youths brought to that, I can't imagine it will be much different in any multi-player online environment.

@Ben,

Yes, indeed. This hobby is about relaxation and leisure, and when playing online, anything that disrupts that is a negative. I think that BeanBoom is being a little idyllic in their thoughts about online multi-player games because one thing i have learned about the Internet and online play is that there is a magnifying effect for the worst aspects of humanity. PSX is a rare example of a place where that is not the case, but every online gaming experience I have had has sooner or later fallen prey to the negative side of the online experience.

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rogers71
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:04:50 PM

@Highlander,
I agree with you 100%. One example I can give is when I first got Modern Warfare. I played online with absolutely no trolls, no cussing and not much trash talking but as soon as Sony brought out the update that gave us the voice changer, it was the worst experience I have ever encountered.

@Beanboom,
I like your concept but there could never be an interactive civilization inhabited with all human players. Everyone wants to be the action star, noone wants to be a merchant selling goods. Just would not happen. It would be complete anarchy with absolutely no gaming to be found. Sorry, you are living in a dream state.

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blitz30952
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:12:50 AM
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Heya Ben,
Is it me or does this line not sound right in the article:
"..very few games hit store shelves without an online multiplayer option of some time."
where 'time' should be replaced by 'type'..?
But then again no one has mentioned it yet so maybe I'm just losing my mind.. lol

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:21:48 AM

Eh, typo. Fixed.

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Kevadu
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:44:56 AM
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Multiplayer gaming and story-focused singleplayer gaming are *completely* different things. It's possible to enjoy both, of course, but saying that one or the other will completely take over the market is like saying why go skiing when you could play baseball. It just doesn't make any sense.

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Beamboom
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:53:03 AM

Good point.

However, whenever I play a game that I really, really enjoy, like Mass Effect2 or the Bioshock games, I find myself thinking "if only I could share this awsome moment with someone". Well I could, had it supported multiplayer storyline coop.
And the games who did support storyline coop, like Saints Row 2 or World At War, could easily be claimed to have successfully merged single player and multi player.

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Teddie9
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:33:16 PM

@ Beam I get ME2, but Bioshock, like Dead space should be played alone...so frighteninly and cruelly alone.

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Pandacastro
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:17:17 AM
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I only play the ones with no kids and great reviews and play old games for the single player.

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Axe99
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 5:00:25 AM
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If this happened, I'd start writing my own single-player games (again). Other humans are great for relatively shallow gameplay experiences, but how can you train other humans to behave like a complex NPC in an RPG? Realistically, I don't think it'll happen - most of gamings best work as an interactive art form is done in the single-player space (and coop at a stretch), because the range of emotions you can elicit from pwning someone in MP matches is pretty limited (and somewhat shallow, if still good fun :))

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STAY3R
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 6:56:24 AM
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i play only solo games, wont buy games anymore if that happens

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Teddie9
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 7:26:40 AM
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*shudders* I rarely play multiplayer....well getting older and by the time that happens maybe I won't be playing as much or at all or won't be so attatched to the subject. Still....shudder.

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kraygen
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:16:46 AM
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I play MMO's, and about 10 hours a year I play some MP FPS, however those are nothing like a good SP campaign. I love my SP games, it's me and me alone. I am a loner and I need my alone time.

If this were the case and all new games were only MP, there would be a surge in ps3 sales because I would be going out and buying several ps3's and multiple copies of several games so that I would have a working ps3 and SP games until the day I died.

I still have my NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, PS1, Ps2, I would have all the SP gaming I needed to ride out this supposed MP apocalypse.

Honestly I don't think it will happen, I think there will always be people who choose pride over money, like Naughty Dog and Quantic Dream. While the SP games may become a lot fewer, I think there will always be those special small company hold outs.

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kraygen
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:18:20 AM

Side note, my uber awesome wife bought me Two Worlds 2 last night, but due to not sleeping the last 40 hours, I went to bed, however now I am about to enjoy about 8 hours of some of that SP gaming we have been discussing.

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kraygen
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:49:29 PM

Update to my side note. Been playing TW2 for like 7 hours and I am loving it. Minor graphical glitches? Yes, but don't effect gameplay. Combat imperfect? Yes, but way better than Oblivion.

Crafting rules. Once I max out my crafting skills, which will probably take a long time, I may spend a couple hundred hours just crafting up a storm seeing what I can do.

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Karosso
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:24:34 AM
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Damn Ben, this article makes it feel like Halloween and not Valentine's day LOL
I would go back and play all the great games I missed, first in that list would be "Beyond Good and Evil"

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ps3sownsxbox360
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 9:25:05 AM
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Well i play black ops online and race gt5 online but the story is the most important thing about a game that's why the call of duty series is hated by soo many people what 2-3 hour story.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 9:48:36 AM
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Leave the M$ Xbox brand for only multiplayer games, it makes sense- people are willing to spend over 50 bucks or whatever to play online.

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tridon
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:05:37 AM
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If I woke up tomorrow and there was only multiplayer gaming, I'd officially retire as a gamer. MP gaming is just boring to me unless I'm playing against family or friends.

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CH1N00K
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 10:44:38 AM
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It would seriously make me think about buying the "Next" Console. So far in my gaming lifespan, I've been a relatively early adopter to buying a new console. But, if all new games coming out from here on out were multiplayer only? Even if they have an amazing Co-op mode, I don't see the storyline, being as immersive as you can get into a single player campaign.

Now I may be just getting old, who knows? But for me personally, if online gaming became about strictly online, I'd be looking at all the older games that I never got to play, and be putting a lot more books into my library instead of dividing it up between my games library and book library.

As good as online experiences have become over this generation of console, I don't see me ever enjoying online as much as I enjoy a good single player game.

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Kokushi
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:06:51 AM
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I love multiplayer but if that happen i will start buying some PS2 games that i missed (Bully, MGS2 & 3, etc..) and no multiplayer experience will be better than playing ''Uncharted 2 - Locomotion'' for the first ime.

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Scarecrow
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:19:44 AM
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That would really suck...

It would be what brings v-games crashing down.

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Underdog15
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:28:14 AM
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I suppose I would get more home reno's done...

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Ultimate_Balla
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 1:20:22 PM
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Lol. Ben, the last paragraph... And I had the best answer. Yeah, a very scary experience, i'm a lone wolf. But online kinda keeps one humble, knowing that there's some1 there whom's play style completely demolishes yours kinda keeps you quiet.

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AnonWTF
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 2:59:21 PM
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Why do people have so much problem combining stuff together? Why can't single player and both multiplayer co-exist together?

Well anyways, I would continue to do what I am doing now. Buy only the games I am interested in.

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Deadman
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 3:31:32 PM
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Multi-player gaming is the equivalent to reality TV. In a lot of ways it is just lazy. Not in the production and quality sense, but in the writing or lack there of. If games shifted to multi-player only I would definitely play less, just as I now watch less TV because of reality programing.

Don't get me wrong I love tearing it up online in MoH or BF:BC2. But when a game comes around like, say Dead Space 2 I find it hard to tear myself away from that SP experience.

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sirbob6
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:00:54 PM
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I'd cry myself to sleep

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tes37
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 4:37:22 PM
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I would have to stick with retro gaming from that point onward. I would most likely try the online only games, but I have a feeling I'd give them up shortly after playing.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 5:19:17 PM
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I think that online gaming is something that was once only popular on PCs but now is growing in huge numbers due to WiFi and other technology available in most households. I don't see why both SP and (online) MP could not co-exist now and even 10 years from now.

I use my Xbox for predominately online-enabled MP games (Gears, Halo, CoD, Red Dead Redemtion, etc) and my PS3 for mostly SP games (inFamous, UC 1 & 2- though I did play UC2 online quite a bit, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, etc) and I don't see any reason why SP games that sell won't be made. The industry will trend toward what is hot and what's selling. Microsoft got off to a good start when it released its Xbox Live network on the orginal Xbox, and Sony has been trying to replicate that sucess with PSN/PS Plus.

To answer the question I guess I would still play games, but obviously in fewer numbers. Games that rely on story and character development just wouldn't work as MP-only games.

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StangMan80
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:52:13 PM
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I would never buy a game again. I would stick with the games I have now. Gaming is all about the Single-player experience. MP is for a bunch of 10 year olds, who feel good about them selves when killing somebody and yell at the screen.

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StangMan80
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 8:53:24 PM
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If them girls are playing... I think I would be playing the game they are playing ;)

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pyrobomber70
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 9:02:09 PM
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I don't think the USA has the speed of the internet that China or Japan have. When I play online and they announce a big competition I have so much lag that it ruins the game. Single play for the win!

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PharaohJR
Monday, February 14, 2011 @ 11:52:35 PM
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I HOPE THIS WONT BE THE CASE IN FUTURE GAMING. VG is art we been given the ability to interact with. these stories in single player campaigns are delivered from a aspect of one or their creation. i dunno...... if all games in the future require multiplayer for a experience..... would it still be considered a VG. yuh it displays a video & its a game cause we interact with it but the game wont exist if nobody participates......

Warhawk on ps3 a great game like the concept of this game but without others it doesnt come to life. i view multiplayer as a luxury its not needed but its a great & a valuable experience.

like others above i think i would retire from gaming if this transition happens.

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Skatejimmy5
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 12:32:45 PM
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I'd stop gaming altogether. I mean, sure games like Burnout Paradise and Call of Duty are fun online, but there are a lot of games that would be horrible. Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Grand Theft Auto, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy etc. would all have to be played online. I know, some of these have online features, but none of them require you to play online at all times.

All of my favorite games of all time don't even have the slightest resemblance of online (the only exception being Uncharted 2), so I don't think I'd keep gaming if this ever happened.

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AnonymousPoster
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 @ 2:01:29 PM
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I can count on one hand the number of games I've enjoyed playing online over the years. Only one of them is still alive, and only barely. Even if it was popular, I'm sure it would get hacked into oblivion like every other online experience. I don't like most online games, and I don't like the type of players and behavior it attracts. If everything was online-only tomorrow? I'd become a classic gamer. There's nothing about the multiplayer gaming culture that appears to me, other than playing with people I know. Even then, it's usually ruined by other people.

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