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Final Fantasy Versus XIII Appears To Be Xbox 360-Bound

Update: It has since been confirmed by various sources that the evidence in question was a typo in V-Jump.

...however, we're not convinced.

Original Story:

If true, it wouldn't come as a huge shock to those familiar with how this generation works, and Square-Enix's business practices.

For the most part, due to the high cost of developing games these days, third-party exclusivity has gone the way of the dodo. Final Fantasy XIII already went to the Xbox 360 and many have assumed Final Fantasy Versus XIII will go the same route. Well, more evidence for the latter theory has arrived, thanks to a scan from Japanese gaming mag V-Jump and a translation at TheBitBag. Next to "Kishu," which refers to the intended platforms, it lists both the PS3 and 360. Now, this hasn't been officially announced yet but given the publisher's track record this generation, combined with the delays for Versus XIII, multiplatform almost seems inevitable. It's true that the PS3 version of FFXIII sold way more copies worldwide, but that 1.5 million sold on the 360 is probably more than enough to convince S-E they did the right thing.

And let's not forget about that whole "catering to Western audiences" philosophy, which in the eyes of some fans, has caused Square-Enix to hit the skids these past few years.

Related Game(s): Final Fantasy Versus XIII

Tags: ff versus xiii, final fantasy versus xiii, ff versus xiii multiplat

2/21/2011 10:53:26 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (135 posts)

0_o
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:07:00 AM
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WTF?!?

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shadowpal2
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 4:35:37 PM

eh...even if it were true or soon to be made true, I really wouldn't care because of Nomura's statement from the past.

He mentioned how even if this game were to go to the xbox 360 it would be a PORT. He mentioned that this game was specifically being designed for the PS3.

So that's all I care about.

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Akuma07
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 6:40:31 PM

I agree that it is a misprint.

There have been many people inside Squeenix that have said ALOT of people would be really pissed off if they went multiplat this late in vXIIIs life.

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Kiryu
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:11:12 AM
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It's a typo done by v-jump

ffv13 is not coming to the xbox360

twitter . com / V_Jump / statuses / 39550587515314176
translate the above page.

Last edited by Kiryu on 2/21/2011 11:13:18 AM

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cLoudou
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:11:18 AM
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Noooooooo!

I predict : Misprint

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Kiryu
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:12:56 AM

andriasang . com

goto this website they say v-jump made a typo

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Qwarktast1c
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:11:57 AM
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i know this may be because of costs and making money and all that business stuff, but what ever happened to showing a little loyalty?

SE is just pissing me off more and more >:(

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Kiryu
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:12:49 AM

andriasang . com

goto this website they say v-jump made a typo

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FatherSun
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:59:42 AM

Loyalty has already been compromised so I doubt this will remain exclusive. Timed exclusive maybe?

I read somewhere that Sony is more interested in that type of set-up than buying outright exclusivity. It demonstrates an understanding of the market from the consumers point of view as well as developers.

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Qwarktast1c
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:30:56 PM

while this may have been "confirmed", i'm still skeptical given SE's track record on matters such as this.....

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Kiryu
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:12:34 AM
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andriasang . com

goto this website they say v-jump made a typo

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Arvis
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:17:37 AM

Yep, Kiryu's got it. This was confirmed before this article even went up.

-Arvis

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:12:49 PM

yeah, and vjump could just be covering their a$$es because they announced it too early. either way i could care less anymore.

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xenris
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:21:42 AM
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Thank goodness. Honestly though when you look at the graphics and everything going on in the Versus XIII trailer there really is no way in its current form it would ever run on the 360.

Unless the game was as long as the trailer and they cut out all the rest for dlc content later....I'm so glad this is a typo.

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:14:05 PM

well, ff13 quality was great on the ps3 and dumbed down on 360. they did it before and it still sold a bit so why wont they do it again.

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xenris
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 11:00:21 AM

Well, look at what they are offering with versus. FF13 was a straight line up until pulse. Versus is said to have a world map, the graphics are in my opinion better, it doesn't seem likely they could get this on the 360 without it exploding.

However I will play devils advocate here and say, if by world map they meant slightly more open corridors, and they made the game only capable running off the 360 elites hard drive then perhaps this might go multiplat. Also the games been in the making for a long time maybe they need that time to get it to work on the 360?

But Nomura is a perfectionist thats why I think its taking so long. Seeing what he has promised it doesn't seem possible that this could end up on the 360 in that form. It would have to be quite dumbed down. If it comes to 360 I don't really care so long as it doesn't affect Nomuras original vision of the game.

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Highlander
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:27:59 AM
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Hmmm.. If this is anything more than a mis-print or whatever, SE has some 'splaining to do.

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Highlander
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 2:29:23 PM

Update : I remain as unconvinced as our editors.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 2:56:08 PM

I second that.

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ThugNificent101
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:40:47 AM
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I did read about it being a mistake that it was listed for the 360... but honestly, they probably aren't ready to say that its going to come out on the 360 yet if it is. It would be awesome if this game remained exclusive but it wouldn't be a big surprise if they went the multiplat route. Hopefully it doesn't compromise the the games quality though...

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:50:45 AM

It will compromise it's quality. It always does. Look at FFXIII. It's not coincidence that it's their worst FFXIII ever and their first multiplat FF.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:01:49 PM

You know Jawknee, that's a very good point. The first maultiplat Final Fantasy gets the most critism in Final Fantasy history. Coincedence? I don't think so but if anyone thinks it is I hope you have supporting details cater to your case.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:12:12 PM

Plus, lets face it, it's not that hard to know that going multiplat comprimised the level of quality and content of the game.

Number 1. - The earliest shots of FFXIII when it was still labeled as exclusive to the PS3 infact had better, more detailed visuals. Yes, as good as the current game's visuals are, they look even better.

Number 2. - SE finally came out and said themselves that almost a half games worth of content was taken out. Which leads to my final point.

Number 3. - Microsoft wanted FF13 on the 360 but would not allow SE to exceed 3 DVDs. I've actually heard that there are 4 DVDs used for the 360 version but I can't confirm that seeing as I own the PS3 version.

So as it relates to my last point, even if SE wanted to keep all the content that was taken or left out, they were restricted by Microsoft demands (keeping a strict DVD count/ making the games as identical as possible).

I'm sure that you can figure out how the PS3 version was comprimised...

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:13:30 PM

Tekken 6, DMC4, FFXIII...etc. It's no coincidence that all these once 3rd party exclusives got lower scores than their predecessors after going multiplat.

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ThugNificent101
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:21:10 PM

Yeah, not sure why I worded it that way. I just hope it doesn't mess up the game too much since this is the last game where there is still a beam of hope coming frome square... it would be very bad if the game does not turn out good.

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godsman
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:51:58 PM

The Xbox version of FFXIII has 3 DVD's. Each only filling up to 4-5 Gbs only. So Xbots speculate that the extra gb of free space could've made the cutscenes just as good as PS3.

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main_event05
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 3:07:36 PM

It wasn't just about the cutscenes. It was about all the other content left on the cutting room floor.

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:03:34 PM

Jawknee, DMC4 and T6 do not make good evidence for that case.

DMC2 scored lowest in DMC's history.
And T4 was widely considered a downgrade from it's predecessor and critically scored lower than T3.

Also, games like like GTA3 began first as a PS2 exclusive and later got ported to Xbox. The GTA series has had no problems maintaining critical acclaim having gone multi-plat (console-side)

I won't disagree, though, that FF13-Versus going multi-plat. This is largely due to the size of the game. Smaller games like Tekken 6 have no problem fitting within the confines of a single DVD, but larger ones, like RPGs, do.

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:22:00 PM

sorry, if my last line about RPG's there was incoherent. In layman's terms, FF13-Versus going multiplat-360 is bad.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:09:16 PM

They are fine examples. They all scored lower than their predecessors. So what if DMC2 score lowest. We are comparing it to 3. Not 2.

As for Tekken 6 I do remember Namco complaining about DVD constraints so...yea.

http://www.destructoid.com/tekken-6-team-is-having-technical-troubles-with-xbox-360-123806.phtml

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:34:21 PM

Lets stop and think about your logic Jawknee. Tekken 6 was created from the ground up for the arcade well before 360's hardware was ever considered as a port.

Specifically now, how does the existence of a 360 port after T6 was already created and finished on PS3'ish hardware hinder the quality and reception of Tekken 6?

The report you cited confirms my very point.

All you've done was make a broad generalization that is both illogical and presumptuous with two examples that aren't valid. Accept it.

And FYI: T6 on 360 managed to overcome any of those challenges developers faced as both games were near identical with only very minuscule exceptions.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:36:47 PM

Hey relax champ. No need to get your panties in a wad. My point is valid and I stand by it. Now go play with your Ninja dolls for something.

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:38:51 PM

I don't wear panties, I wear... none of your business =p

That's okay Jawknee, ignore the obvious and live in your fanboy world where all premises always lead to a PS3-rules-only conclusion.

EDIT: oh, and leave my precious ninja dolls out of this. *kisses ninja doll*

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:48:18 PM

Riiiiight....I'm the fanboy because I don't agree with you. I give you a link to prove my point and you blow a gasket. Very out of character for you. Facts are facts champ. Tekken 6 wasn't as well received as the previous games and Nacmo DID have trouble with the 360 hardware as proven with my link but whatever. No sense in arguing with you any longer since "I'm just a fanboy."

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:59:22 PM

*sigh" Jawknee, I now question your comprehension abilities.

"It will compromise it's quality. It always does. Look at FFXIII. It's not coincidence that it's their worst FFXIII ever and their first multiplat FF."--Jawknee

Jawknee's claim: multiplatform games ALWAYS compromise quality.

Jawknee's evidence: look at "Tekken 6, DMC4, FFXIII"

Jawknee's conclusion: therefore multiplatform games compromise quality.


Temjin's argument: But Jawknee? Prior Tekken's have rated lower and T6 was designed alone for PS3'ish hardware (arcade) well before the 360 was ever considered an option.

Jawknee's rebuttal: My point is valid and I stand by it.

It's okay Jawknee, lets just both be excited for KZ3 tomorrow and be happy =)

*sigh" Jawknee, I now question your comprehension abilities.

"It will compromise it's quality. It always does. Look at FFXIII. It's not coincidence that it's their worst FFXIII ever and their first multiplat FF."--Jawknee

Jawknee's claim: multiplatform games ALWAYS compromise quality.

Jawknee's evidence: look at "Tekken 6, DMC4, FFXIII"

Jawknee's conclusion: therefore multiplatform games compromise quality.


Temjin's argument: But Jawknee? Prior Tekken's have rated lower and T6 was designed alone for PS3'ish hardware (arcade) well before the 360 was ever considered an option.

Jawknee's rebuttal: My point is valid and I stand by it.

It's okay Jawknee, lets just both be excited for KZ3 tomorrow and be happy =)

EDIT: Yeah, it's been pasted twice, just in case you missed it ;)

Last edited by Temjin001 on 2/21/2011 10:00:29 PM

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 10:02:28 PM

Grow up Temji.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:37:51 AM

@ Temji

Really?...

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:51:03 AM
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This better not be true...

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FatherSun
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:52:47 AM
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Misprint? Maybe? We will know when they are good and ready to stab us in the bac... er announce it to us.

To be honest I really do not care if it hits another platform. Id prefer it to remain exclusive but that is not realistic. My problem is with the way this will limit the game. If they made the most spectacular game without holding back then its all good. Go all out. And if, and when they wish to put it on an inferior platform then by all means. So what if 9 discs are needed. That is not my concern. The inconvenience of switching discs would be worth it if they created a proper Final Fantasy. It is the only way for SE to restore faith.


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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:04:27 PM

Here's the problem, any disc over one, Square would have to pay royalties to MS for each additional disc thus giving Square a reason to dumb the game down as much as possible inorder to keep costs down. Thus ruining what could have been.

MS has really screwed gamers and developers this gen by sticking with such an inferior format.

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maxpontiac
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:32:51 PM

Ah but Jawk, MS has Xbox Live, so it's all good.

/sarcasm

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:43:33 PM

LOL! When I was with a friend in Cali he tried to tell me why LIVE was better than PSN...he couldn't name anything but cross game chat. (which is a useless feature imo). I swear people want it to be better to justify paying for it.

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:16:53 PM

yeah, they need that justification even before the price went up by 10 bucks.

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godsman
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:54:10 PM

@ Jawknee,

I believe it was 3 disc or more, Microsoft will charge a royalty for the extra discs.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 3:32:26 PM

I've read from a number of sources over the years that it's any disc over 1.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 6:45:05 PM

The bigger problem is that unlike the linear FFXIII, Versus will have a big world that you can wander with towns and stuff that can be revisited. They would probably chop that world up like they did with Rage in order to fit in on DVDs.

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Qubex
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:26:19 PM

World... could still end up being a mess, unless Versus is installable.
Maybe Square permit the game to be installed in its entirety on the xBot, permitting the "unpacking" of all game data for a full quality experience.

It sounds nice that Versus will be more of an "open world" RPG then its predecessor, however if the experience is dumbed down for xBot, what is the point of experiencing Versus on the PS3, unless they are really developed as two "separate" games with PS3 version incorporating the higher quality no-compromise assets.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:46:17 PM

Umm, I thought that was what I was sayin :)

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 11:59:07 AM
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I dont necessarily mind it being on the 360, but i fear that SE will dumb it down for that audience. If they can make a great JRPG this gen i really dont care what platform it is on.

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kraygen
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:01:09 PM
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Maybe it is a misprint, but is it a misprint because they don't want people to know yet?

FF XIII may have sold 1.5 million copies on 360, but how many more copies would it have sold on ps3 if they had left it exclusive, not cut the content, and made it what fans wanted in the first place.

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nilos95
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:02:23 PM
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Even if it comes to 360, it will be 10 DVDs!

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:07:39 PM

No it wont. Square will take the game to the chopping block inorder to keep the amount of DVD's required down thus compromising the quality of the game just like they did with FFXIII. if this goes multiplat, you can kiss the game in it's current state good bye. There was a time when FFXIII looked better than it does now. Before it was announced for the 360.

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CHAOS THEORY X
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:06:45 PM
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I'm one sad panda

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Devhour
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:08:05 PM
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The gamers S-E is gaining from the xbox is actually the exact number of players that they are losing on ps3. :P

Hope they burn in hell. :)

And FATHASUN, you're freaking right. ;)

"My problem is with the way this will limit the game. If they made the most spectacular game without holding back then its all good. Go all out."

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:10:37 PM
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Kiryu's link does state it's was a misprint per V Jump. So let's remain coutiously optimistic. :)

Here's the direct link to the original article and the update stating VJump screwed up.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/21/v_jump_versus_xiii/

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:18:34 PM

did they say the reason for the misprint? was it because it will remain a ps3 exclusive or because they put the info on the wrong issue?

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:27:01 PM

They said listing the 360 was the misprint.

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godsman
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 2:03:35 PM

They probably meant it's a misprint, "we didn't mean to announce it so early"

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RebelJD
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:16:11 PM
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Square-Enix is in the red and has lost it's once great track record. Going multi-platform this late in the game can only mean they're desperate for sales. Good luck.

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Scarecrow
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:20:59 PM
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expect a short game.

How many DVDs was the first one?

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kraygen
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:09:25 PM

I believe ff xiii was 3 discs on 360.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:15:28 PM

It was still a lengthy game too. It was just the rest of it that was an utter failure.

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:20:33 PM

its was lengthy but to us final fantasy fans it was too long in the sense that we were playing a game called final fantasy that was nothing at all like the series that we loved. i couldnt wait to just finish the game and forget it. i can practically get a platinum on it but i dont feel like playing it anymore.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:23:08 PM
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I wonder it someone from microsoft is indirectly reponsible for this "typo".

Honestly, SE has not regained my trust let. Exclusivity for the game needs to happen if not for the only reason of proving the point that exclusives can be just a successful as multiplats. Sometimes that fact that it is exclusive makes it more valuable, hence making it wanted by more people. FF13 could've had that feeling but doesn't. In a strange way that actaully makes me not care as much as I would've for it.

We all already know how many gamers feel about FF going multiplat but I wonder what the developers take on it is. That would be interesting if we could hear their 2 cents on the issue.



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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 6:48:15 PM

I agree, but I'm sure Wada won't allow them to speak on the matter. He's a fascist.

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Strife
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:25:50 PM
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I don't understand them specifically stating it would would be exclusive to Playstation after saying FFXIII was goin to the Xbox, if they were planning on putting it on Xbox if FFXIII sold well enough on it. I believe it was a false statement and they will only get more backlash because of it now.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:39:47 PM

I think it's pretty clear Square doesn't give two craps about lying to their fanbase. They have done it over and over again this generation.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:34:03 PM
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It may be a typo...it might not be.

That's a very large typo that usually doesn't escape an editor. Sounds like backtracking because it wasn't supposed to be announced yet. Just an opinion.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:41:32 PM

You maybe right but I'm still going to remain optimistic considering in their latest showing all the new trailers seemed to confirm it was still a PS3 exclusive at that moment in time which was only a few weeks ago if I remember correctly.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:51:43 PM

A possibility that makes sense. SE ha shown us how they do business this gen so I'm not going to get optimistic on this one. They did it with The LAst Remnant and Final Fantasy 13. They can say that FFversus13 will be PS3 exclusive all they want but I won't believe it until I see it.

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kraygen
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:11:08 PM

That's what I was thinking too, and looking at who SE has become this gen, I prefer to be a realist and say it's going to happen, they just don't want us to know yet.

Optimism is all well and good, but you have to consider the source of the game and their track record as of late.

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Jutter
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:16:08 PM

I wouldn't expect VJump to know this information in the first place. It's just not something I'd expect SE to go around telling reporters at a gaming magazine, even off the record. Maybe I'm overestimating them but it would be an incredibly foolish mistake on their part.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:44:11 PM
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I have to admit i'm not bothered either way no, I was very upset when FFXIII was announced to be on the 360 aswell, I saw my friedn play it the other day ans it still seems just wrong. But with with Versus, I guess to me it just doesnt feel like an FF game so i'm not bothered either way.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:53:36 PM

Who cares if it's Final Fantasy or not. When ever a game goes multiplat it only means bad things for PS3 owners.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 12:53:43 PM

Yeah, for me Final Fantasy on xbox is like Mario on Sega genesis.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:04:05 PM
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I hope it goes Multiplatform. More people would get to enjoy it.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:09:21 PM

If they want to play the game so bad they should buy the console its best suited for.

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kraygen
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:12:24 PM

It might be available to a wider audience, but from what we have seen from SE this gen, it's more likely that less people would "enjoy" it.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:31:57 PM

Not everyone can afford/is willing to buy every console. Multiplatform games I feel, are better for sales and for consumers who are interested in the games. I personally own both a PS3 and an Xbox360, but I know most casual gamers own only one of the two.

Square should still be able to put out a superior product regardless of what console they're making a game for. That's something that would fall strictly on them not anyone else.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:37:32 PM

"are better for sales and for consumers"

It's also better for mediocrity.

"Square should still be able to put out a superior product regardless of what console they're making a game for."

FFXIII says otherwise.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:56:53 PM

I don't quite get what you're saying? Who else is to blame for Square putting out a mediocre FF13 game?

If the game isn't going to be great, then that's on the developers. The Xbox was a more powerful system than the PS2 and I can't think of games that were exclusive or multiplatform on the PS2 that suffered because of it. At the end of the day the developer should be able to make a game of high quality that is compatiable with any piece of hardware.

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godsman
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:58:16 PM

I agree, more people playing the game is a good thing. Although everyone's major concern here in this website is either:

"more people play a bad game"

or

"less people play a good game"

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 2:09:08 PM

Despite the Xbot propaganda on the interwebs, having to cut a game up and place it on several discs only serves to undermine the games design, scope and content(even Square said so). What is it that you don't understand that this gen the Xbox is not the superior hardware. It has given developers an incentive not to strive for the best. And with MS's archaic royalty fees for additional disc, why should developers strive for the best? Yes the developer shares the blame along with MS but that doesn't mean PS3 gamers should be content with getting a less than stellar(especially when we were told by Square this game was meant for PS3) game just so "more people can play it."

Again, if people want to play the game so bad they should buy the console it's best suited for. If you can afford an Xbox you can afford a PS3.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 2:24:13 PM

My orginal comment was meant for the more casual gamer that either doesn't know or care about the Microsoft royalty fees per disc or about blu-ray capacity vs. DVD capicity.

And I know that PS3 is more powerful than the 360, but again, that difference is minimal or non-existant to the casual gamer who thinks that Call of Duty (or any generic multiplatform game) "looks sick" on the PS3 or 360.

I thnk that if square says the game was built for the Ps3, then there is no reason they can't port it over to the 360 at a later date....and its something that I hope they do, so more people can experience the game....unless of course it ends up sucking.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 2:32:09 PM

Most casual gamers don't play JRPG's so that point is moot.

"there is no reason they can't port it over to the 360 at a later date"

Aaah, now we're talking about a port. If this game is completed as it was supposed to be on the PS3 first and Square finds a way to port it without compromising the PS3 version then I can get behind that. My worry is that they will end up compromising the PS3 version for the sake of making it work on the 360. They did that with FFXIII and it turned out bad. Really bad. There was a time when FFXIII looked a lot better than it does now. They had to trim back content, polygon count etc just to make it work on the 360 and keep in confined to 3 discs to avoid paying more royalties. Again, a port(if possible) at a later date is fine with me but we hear all too often that certain PS3 exclusives wouldn't be possible on the Xbox and if Square really wants to strive for that sort of greatness(as Nomura has indicated more than once) then they need to focus on the PS3. No matter what console, when the developer can work freely on one platform without the distraction of trying to get it to work on multiple platforms, it's always better for the game and the end result.

There is a reason exclusives tend to be better than multiplatform games.

Also your arguement that it's good because it will reach more people, i.e. the casuals, that's the problem with this generation. Far too many great games of last gen have tried to appeal to the casuals only to fall short of that they are really capable of.

Casuals want casual games, stick with Call of Duty and the Wii. Stay away from hardcore gamer's JRPG's.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 3:00:12 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with you about exclusive titles generally getting that extra TLC that other games being mass-produced at the "bare-minimum" to accommodate every console don't get. I also agree that 3rd party developers this generation are more concerned with making the game accessible to more people to increase sales, then they are focusing all the time, energy and MONEY on making it for one particular platform. But thats what it is, a business decision. Spreading out their costs by selling to a bigger audience. I just feel that, as long as the game isn't really being compromised (in this case by porting it, you seem to agree it wouldn't be) then there is no reason why it shouldn't be ported to the 360 (most likely at a later date). In fact doing this would only benefit the people who enjoy Square's games....the more money they make the more quality sequels they put out.


And while I agree that yes most casual gamers don't play JRPGs (especially in this country), the "final fantasy" name, brand, whatever is pretty well known. If it weren't they would just call all their games something else. Instead we have final fantasy games numbered up to 13, and games such as "FF Vs 13" and "FF X-2" coming out or out. That name will generally sell a couple million regarless of quality alone.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 3:10:04 PM

Indeed. This gen it seems Money > Art. I am of the mind that Art should always > Money but that seems to be lost on most people nowadays.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 3:10:22 PM

@ jimmy

under your logic it would makes sense to make every game multiplat. Once Final Fantasy migrated from Nintendo to a more capable platform, in this case being the Playstation brand, it truly started to become a big deal amongst the masses. It is wholly known as a Playstation brand game. Just like Halo is wholly known as an xbox 360 brand game.

I prefer the PS brand but I wouldn't feel right playing a game like Halo on the PS3. Some games should stick exclusively to their corresponding consoles in my honest opinion.

Case and point: If I want to play anything Mario I buy Nintendo brand, Halo, I buy xbox brand, even with Final Fantasy going multiplat I will always buy Playstation brand.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 6:59:31 PM

Actually Jimmy, fewer people would enjoy it if it went multiplat because it would have to be an inferior product to accommodated the 360 restrictions. That is not an opinion.

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Underdog15
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:48:20 PM

@Jimmy
While I agree that it would be nice for a quality franchise to be known to even more gamers globally, and while I recognize there are some wonderful multiplat games, like Assassins Creed 2 and Brotherhood, you cannot deny, that despite the platform, exclusives titles have a technological advantage.

Time and time again, it is proven that, while some multi-plats are great, exclusives are indeed the cream of the crop!

I agree that despite the multi-platedness of FFXIII, SE could have done a better job, and that is their fault alone for lacking proper vision, but there are plenty of examples of former exclusives going multiplat that discontinue to harbor the top notch quality they were once known for.

Even if they make a great game for multiple platforms with great gameplay, they will HAVE to make accommodations for making it multiplat.

In my opinion, and I believe there is some overwhelming truth in my opinion on this, I do not think it is a mere coincidence that the FF franchise first raised quizzical eyebrows upon the release of their first multi-platform entry. (Excluding the MMO)

With their reputation for producing top quality FF titles, pushing the bar further each time, it should be EXPECTED that they need the storage space of a blu-ray, the graphical capabilities of the PS3, and cease catering to a twitch NA crowd in their gameplay.

Afterall, their largest FF market is in Japan, who clearly favor the PS brand over Microsoft. And with the gameplay offered in FFXIII, you can bet they won't stay faithful for long.

I dunno... I get wanting a multi-plat game, but when you have a reputation as being "cream of the crop", a reputation found only among exclusives to their own systems, I think the solution is an obvious one.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:03:30 PM

Great points Underdog. And the fan reaction to FFXIII in Japan only underscores your points further. They hated it. If Square botches another one, you can bet they won't be around for much longer. Because of their short sightedness and idiotic business decisions they are hemorrhaging Sony fans faster than they are gaining 360 fans. Most of us Square loyalists are sick to death of their lies and greed and won't take it anymore. If this goes multiplat and is trimmed down to accommodate the 360's short comings, I'll never buy another Square game and again and I feel I am not alone in that.

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:10:55 PM
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yeah, as if i needed more reasons not to get versus 13 day 1, or year 1.

reason 1: final fantasy 13
reason 2: final fantasy 13-2
reason 3: lack of rpg support on ps3

conclusion: bargain bin, sorry nomura your company is in the dog house....across the street...in the trash can.

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johnld
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:24:04 PM

thank god for white knight chronicles and level 5. i have a feeling that once next gen rolls around i'll be saying "square what?" or "final fantasy? i thought that thing died out already"

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:28:15 PM

While I love Level 5, White Knight still doesn't stand with the best Final Fantasy's of the PS1 and PS2 era. It just doesn't.

Ni No Kuni on the other hand...watch that space.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:02:37 PM

I agree Jawknee, and I'm not usually the type to say this, but WKC should be judged on its potential, and there is a ton there. Add to that the fact that it's about as close as you will ever get to a real mainstream JRPG this gen and the general brilliance of Level 5 and it is the series to watch. Can't wait for WKC2 and the PSP outing.

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Mamills
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:29:53 PM
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lol, knew this was gonna happen.
ah well i really don't care as long as its a good game but something tells me it wont be, and my reasoning you ask?

Hironobu Sakaguchi
the man was the reason final fantasy was so great, well he ditched S-E and has his own company now n works with Nintendo.

the other reason is the disc limitations of the 360. (admitted by S-E themselves.)

also,
lets face it.
Square Enix has just been going crazy with the cut scenes in these games (not that its a bad thing.)
but it is when the story and characters suck ass because of it. (Im looking at you FF13)
and that space is already limited on the 3 DVDs they will be allowed.

not only that they probably have more games in the production pipeline than any other company. (that is not a good thing, they are spreading themselves too thin and the quality is decreasing.)

i dunno FF is pretty much dead to me, ill be keeping an eye on versus 13 (13-2 im not even going to bother).

to be honest, i am more interested in that Studio Ghibli RPG (Ni No Kuni i believe its called). but dunno if it will even make over here to the west.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 1:48:38 PM

I'm certin Ni No Kuni will see Western shores. Just about every other Level 5 RPG has. No reason Ni No Kuni shouldn't. Especially since it's a PS3 exclusive.

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556pineapple
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 4:17:26 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if this game did end up going to the 360, it just seems like a bad financial decision for them no not. Of course, I'd prefer to see it remain PS3 exclusive, and the PS3 will probably still get the better version even if it doesn't.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 4:33:52 PM

The game will still make them plenty of money if they keep it exclusive so there no reason to assume it would be a "bad financial decision".

With this logic, it's a "bad financial decision" every time Sony releases an exclusive game.

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556pineapple
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:52:04 PM

True, but the businessman's creedo is "Why settle for less when you can make more?" Sony makes their games exclusive to sell more consoles. Since S-E isn't owned by Sony. console sales don't benefit them and they make more money by make their games multi-plat.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:58:04 PM

Greed shouldn't > great art and I think Nomura understands that. They will make their money they are just being greedy.

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556pineapple
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 5:43:23 PM

Right, it shouldn't, but it does. Nomura may understand that, but his investors don't. And if you don't please the investors, they'll remove you by force and replace you with a businessman who doesn't play games *cough*Kotick*cough cough* I hate to see multi-platform because it almost always reduces quality, but it's what all the publishers are doing now because it makes good financial sense. That's why I wouldn't be surprised to see vs XIII go to the 360 also.

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Aura7541
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 5:23:51 PM
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Considering that FFvXIII will have a lot more free-roaming, towns, and an airship to navigate around the game's universe, will a 360 version of this game not be made anyway even if Wada wants it to be ported?
FFXIII was one of the most linear JRPGs I've ever seen. Also, the 360 version was sub-HD and still, three disks had to be used for storing the entire game.
For FFvXIII to be ported, the key aspects that will differentiate this game from FFXIII would all have to be eliminated. I don't think Nomura is going to scrap several years' worth of planning and developing just to port the game to a joke of a console.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 6:39:15 PM
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Bloody Hell, if this turns out to be true despite the correction then you know the game will land on the chopping block. I just hope it is enough to piss off Nomura so he and his team can leave and make the games they want to, sans interference by Orley Tates Wada.

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:00:40 PM

Agreed, World. If there's anything in Square-Enix that makes me give them a little attention after all they've done this generation, that's Tetsuya Nomura.

I know he went on the record to say that he only intends to develop the game for the PS3, and hope that he'd get pissed off enough to quit S-E and start his own studio or, better yet, jump ship to Sony's Japan Studio and start cranking up on an RPG that would excite PlayStation fans everywhere and not worry about the game getting gimped.

While I would take this news with a grain of salt, it would not surprise me if it ends up on the 360 anyway. This is by Square-Enix after all. They're probably the only Japanese mega-company that doesn't know how to keep their promises.

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Oyashiro
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:43:44 PM

I'd love to see him join Mistwalker.

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ZettaiSeigi
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:50:55 PM

I hope that Mistwalker would start developing RPGs for the PS3 though. Makes me wonder what a Sakaguchi-Nomura collaboration would be like.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:47:49 PM

yeah mistwalker needs a PS3 game, I can't fathom why so few people are making jrpgs for the system with all the jrpg fans on it.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:48:06 AM

@ World

That is the most mind boggling question this gen. I can't prove it but it just feels like Microsoft's influence on this gen is behind it.

JRPG's disappeared on the Playstation brand way too quickly and conveniently this gaming generation.

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FxTales
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:27:58 PM
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If true,then it shows that they are unwilling to learn from their mistakes and as a company, for me, lose their reputation as one of the greatest game developers this generation.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:56:41 PM

Don't you mean last generation?

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Oyashiro
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 7:42:29 PM
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Oh no... I am shocked... I never thought SE would do something like this... Ahhhh... *Sips coffee*

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:24:43 PM
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I'll buy and play it either way. I'd have greater peace of mind knowing that the game isn't being made for two different systems and storage formats.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:35:27 PM

This is the kind of attitude that gives developer no incentive to change.

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:47:08 PM

Jawknee, are you saying you won't buy the game if it is multi-plat? 'cause attitude won't change developers minds, but sales sure as heck will. Will you bar yourself out from FF13 Versus to stand up and defend the ideals you hold valuable?

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:49:51 PM

Should I have made myself clearer? Maybe...you seem to have a problem tonight. Go have a beer and relax champ.

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 10:12:01 PM

I don't drink beer. But I don't mind being called champ. I like it ;)


hmm maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed you were saying that my agreeable attitude doesn't serve as an incentive for developers to change. I'm thinking attitude will have little effect on developers decisions. Game sales, however, hehe now that does. So all I'm saying is, are you going to refrain from buying the game entirely to help do your part to give developers incentive to keep FF exclusive?

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Scarecrow
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 1:57:29 AM

Money is the ONLY thing Square-Enix cares about this generation.

What is the only way they'll understand that we ant quality Final Fantasy games again? through money.

if you don't buy their games they will listen to you.

OH! Didn't you hear how they fired their FFXIV team and said they'll listen to fans?

Ans why did that happen? Because everyone unsubscribed from that game, which means no money flowing to them.

Alternatively you could wait 6 months or a year later to buy it. By that time they would have realized how bad these multiplat FFs really are.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:36:18 PM

@ Scare

Good point. Is it true that there were more people upset about FF 14 than there were about FF 13? Regardless, when your revenue collected takes a 92 percent drop you'd best listen and react accordinngly to fan/customer complaints from all areas.

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Jonesy555
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:35:20 PM
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Hmm, is it still going to be released on the PS3? Yes you say? Then there's no problem here.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:46:44 PM

There should be if its turned into crap sauce first.

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Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 8:55:12 PM

Actually there is a problem when you take into consideration the 360's limitations.

Again....There...is...a...reason...PS3...exclusives...are THE BEST OF THE BEST!

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Temjin001
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:58:15 PM
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I love games!

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The X Factor 9
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:10:30 AM
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No worries, one less game to waste my time and money on. Trust me, there will be plenty of other games to fill the void. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of PSX members will agree with me.

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perry24able
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 1:41:23 AM
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Not like it's ever gonna come out anyway.

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SolidFantasy
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 2:22:57 AM
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I just put the palm to the face when I read the title of this article. Welcome to the world of greed folks. I'm still optimistic that this is the PS3 exclusive JRPG that we've all been waiting for... or at least somewhere in the right direction.

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spiderboi
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 2:23:39 AM
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I won't even bargain-bin this. I'll just borrow from friends.. I don't care when they can lend it to me..

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Kevin5
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 4:00:56 AM
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Every time a Final Fantasy game or Sqaure Enix title is announced for 360, a waeboo commits suicide.



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Excelsior1
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 4:54:19 AM
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it was the ps3's luanch disaster that cost them all the 3rd party exclusives. i'm no ms fan, but a lot of what happened was self inflicted by sony. they lost so much market share the publishers were pretty much forced to jump.

i just wish things had been different.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:43:29 PM

No doubt that had an influence. Not only did the PS3 come out 2 years after the 360 but it had an intimidating prices tag for most of the market. Lets not forget that this wonderful recession began kicking in too.

I doubt Sony is willing to attempt this route a second time just to see if they can pull out of it again like they did this time.

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Ludakriss
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 6:00:24 AM
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Trying to start a flame war are we? Listen to Kiryu. Go to andriasang.com, you'll get your answers and CORRECT updates.

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___________
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 7:04:56 AM
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yea...................... a typo!

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piratikkio
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 7:21:12 AM
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a downgrade game? again? i hope not.

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 8:12:39 PM
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go die with Wada, thats the only thing I want to say whenever I think of SE these days.

as some pointed out above, Nomura either quit to join Mistwalker or kick out Wada and take over SE. until one of the two happens, SE will keep rotting with Wada.

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dissidholocrux
Sunday, December 18, 2011 @ 2:52:14 PM
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Oh please, who gives a flying crap about it.
Over sensitive and over hyped Sony fanboys need to be quiet, sit back and take a chill pill. Game will never be gimped in any way.

The Xbox360 is just as powerful, if not more so in designing enormous environments. All it requires is the disc space to load them…as proven in countless examples such as Lost Odyssey, or Star Ocean 4, whereas Star Ocean (one of the biggest RPGs to date) was three entire discs.

They did not sacrafice any quality nor content in those releases. And especially not in the Microsoft property Lost Odyssey, which is really one of the best rpgs of this era. I’d love a sequel to that. But in any case, with the RIGHT tools & proper care there will not be a single thing cut from Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

It will simply be four discs on 360, and only one on PS3 with a bonus disc. That satisfies everybody involved and to be honest FFXIII-2 was already set to be on 4 disks the first time & Star Ocean 4 was one of the biggest rpgs this generation.

P.S: Given how much of a better game FF13-2 was, whether its multiplatform or exclusive should not even factor into the discussion nowadays. All things considered, performance can be nearly equal. Its obvious that Versus XIII is designed with PS3 in mind, with the port to 360 coming out afterward. As long as it was designed with the lead platform first it's going to be an amazing game. (Which didn't come true for original FF13, due to not using normal CGI video IIRC)

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