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Topware Blacklisting Pubs That Didn't Like Two Worlds II?

We didn't think Two Worlds II was a bad game. In fact, we found it to be a huge improvement over the original.

But evidently, we may have been in for a reprimand had we not enjoyed it, and we once again find ourselves contemplating the seedier side of video game reviewing. According to one of Beefjack's "trusted sources," the PR team of TopWare is "blacklisting publications who have awarded the game a middling or low score." It seems an e-mail to one British journalist said the company was "disappointed" and called the publication's bad score "insulting." In fact, they warned that if the score wasn't upped to at least a 7, the publication would be removed from TopWare's press list. What's worse is that TopWare hasn't yet publicly responded publicly, and CVG contacted Beefjack with similar evidence: TopWare has apparently threatened to pull out of a big advertising deal with a certain website due to a low score for Two Worlds II.

The PR person in question allegedly said the review was "mean-spirited" and asked for it to be rewritten. Now, you may have seen our full-page Two Worlds II ad but I will clarify for everyone right now that if we had given the game a lower score, and we had received similar "pull-out" threats...well, we'd probably rewrite the review with a lower score. We won't be bullied. Just sayin'.

Related Game(s): Two Worlds II

Tags: two worlds ii, topware, two worlds iii, two worlds sequel

2/21/2011 8:46:46 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (28 posts)

Jawknee
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:32:24 PM
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LOL! Maybe...you're just not that good Topware.

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kraygen
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 2:19:14 AM

Actually considering how small they are and how small their budget is, I'd say they are very impressive.

Other small companies make great downloadable games, but they've given us an rpg that is an open world bigger than any other game I've played. It has more options than any other rpg that has come out this gen, and it does a lot of things well.

The thing that bugs me is that when a game like GTA4 has graphical glitches I hear, "Well it's a big sandbox game, you can't not have those." However when a lesser name game has an issue, people act like it's the worst thing ever.

Granted the screen tearing and graphical issues are much worse in Two Worlds 2 than GTA, but I'd take Two worlds 2 over GTA4 any day. It may not be top dollar polished, but it's hard core rpg and its a lot of fun.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 8:20:41 AM

kraygen -

You nailed it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:37:04 PM
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That's low class. Separates the men from the boys. I'll give 2W2 a shot some day when there aren't so many elite games around but clearly these guys think they are better than they actually are.

Still, a small part of me sympathizes and wouldn't blame Guerrilla Games for blacklisting a couple sites for their KZ3 reviews. 'Just sayin' ;)

Last edited by WorldEndsWithMe on 2/21/2011 9:37:27 PM

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:02:40 AM

Yeah your best bet is to wait for DA:2 for right now pick it up amd get two worlds later. I like 2 worlds 2 but it's not what I was hoping for. It is worth a pick up later. It deserves around a 7 that's probably fair, but that's mainly because of the gameplay and what ot gives you as an rpg. The graphics and voice acting is not good. Some
Of the worst I've seen for a game that has potential, theirs obviously been much worse out their.


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kraygen
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 2:22:33 AM

I'd have to disagree with bigrailer, I think DA2 will be awesome, but over the 6 months after it's release there will be downloadable content galore that will be tiny little tidbit after tiny little tidbit, wanting more and more money.

I'm just waiting for the ultimate edition, paying $60 for a game is hard for me, paying $60 for one that will release dlc that will cost more than the game is just not something I can do.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 3:20:37 AM

Two Worlds... I see why you want to play it. Who wouldn't want another World?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 7:39:46 AM

My Best Buy gift cards will handle DA2, so if I want any of that unnecessary DLC I won't feel bad about buying it.

I dunno if I could handle a second World, much like the Highlander "There can be only one" :)

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kraygen
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:34:47 PM

Well World with access to best buy gift cards, I guess a D1p of DA2 is a much better deal. In that case I can understand and be in full support.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 9:40:41 PM
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Nice Ben! That is great to hear. It's what I expected from this classy site. Topware is not a horrible dev. But I will say they are green. It takes time to hone the skills need to be on top like GG, Bethesda, ND and others. They should be happy that TWII did better in reviews than TWI. I will buy TWII it's just a matter of time. There is to much going on right now with KZ3 just around the corner. They need to stop making bad press for themselves and work HARDER on TWIII! If they correct a lot of the errors in TWII, part III will probably get 8.5 or higher. They need to take ownership for their lack of QA on TWII. The game shouldn't have come out for at least 2 more months. That would have given them the time need to achieve a possible 9. Great article Ben!

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sticklife
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 10:14:36 PM
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I think you're to fair to score it lower for personal reasons(good thing). I bet you would tell us if you were contacted though.

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556pineapple
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 10:16:47 PM
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I notice how I rarely see banner ads for excellent games, but I often see them for, well, crappy ones. I'm sure this isn't a coincidence...

...and to be honest, I wasn't too fond of that full page ad. I was very nervous to miss a hotlink. Ads are necessary though, and I know you guys won't be bullied by such tactics. That's why I enjoy reading this site.

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Alienange
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 10:21:02 PM
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Why in your right mind would you go through with a large advertising campaign on a site that hates your game? It's obviously a mid 7s kind of game. That's pretty good considering their first offering. So if these clown review sites are giving it 4s and 5s then to blazes with them.

If it was my game I'd feel the same way. We're only human and we don't take insults well.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 7:40:17 AM

Makes sense, nice counter argument.

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Dreno
Monday, February 21, 2011 @ 10:33:37 PM
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Really? Really? ....REALLY??? ....

Whoa, I persoanally think tw2 is an amazing game for as much as ice played but c'mon... blacklisting a sight cause they didn't give it the score you wanted it to get? Boo hoo. Instead of being a bully and demanding a better score, perhaps you should take it as constructive critisism. Maybe improve on what they said hd problems. Hmm...

Perhaps that's just my opinion, but I doubt it.

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kraygen
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 1:49:53 AM
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I'm a little torn here, I don't think topware is right to take this attitude, but I can see how they would be insulted. The game easily deserves a 7.

I have been playing this game for over 25 hours now and I'm loving it. As much as I love it, I'd say it deserves about a 7.5 because it does have issues. The issues don't break the game or anything, but it's not UC2 polished either by any means.

Game has a lot to offer. I'm blown away by the sheer size of it. I'm still on chapter 1 after 25 hours, there is so much stuff to do it's mind boggling.

I'd say both sides are wrong though, reviewers giving it a super low score must be out for some personal agenda of some kind, but topware's attitude isn't right either. Not sure what I would do in topware's position.

Ben, if say you had scored the game below a 7 and they had done this, I know you wouldn't back down, but would you have honestly given the game an even lower score just to spite them?

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SirLoin of Beef
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 8:38:41 AM

"I'd say both sides are wrong though, reviewers giving it a super low score must be out for some personal agenda of some kind"

Maybe the reviewers just hated the game for one reason or another. Or perhaps some thought that the company had a lot prove given how terrible their first game was and their expectations were not met when the new one came out? Not every low score can be attributed to personal agenda.

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xenris
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 10:45:46 AM

True there are some really terrible games out there. But a trend I'm starting to see on some of the big sites are becoming quite ridiculous when it comes to reviews. The big boy games can get away with glitches and technical imperfections when the smaller games seem to get left out in the cold even if they are a better game than said big boys, or at the very least no where near as bad as what the reviewer is saying. MW2 comes to mind in particular, as something that got praise regardless of the problems it had, like a story that made no sense what so ever, online that is not only glitch filled and unbalanced but hacked to crap now, and a campaign that is hardly more than 5 hours. Any other game with these problems would be absolutely burned alive with no chance of a decent score. Heck IGN gave WKC a 5.6 then give FF13 which other than graphics offered way less an 8 something.

I think it might not be the reviewers agenda but some reviews the reviewer clearly hates the genre they are reviewing. So why do these publications get someone who hates everything except shooters to review an RPG? So its not the reviewers agenda but more likely the publication they work for if there is and agenda which at times it really seems like there is. IGN has done this for a couple of games it seems. It would be like me reviewing Star Craft 2, I don't hate strategy games but I would probably give it a lower score because I wouldn't be enjoying it even if it was the pinnacle of RTS perfection.

Anyway I stopped listening to reviews a long time ago, I go to sites like these now for the news and if I'm interested I rent.

Sorry for the rant but I'm just tired of sketchy journalism.

Last edited by xenris on 2/22/2011 10:48:49 AM

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kraygen
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:39:40 PM

@ sirloin

The thing is a review isn't supposed to be I like this game or I don't like this game, it supposed to be based on the quality of the game.

The game has more good qualities than bad, it may not necessarily an "agenda" but something is not quite right.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 2:38:29 AM
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it's not cool what they're doing, but it's not cool to threaten a lower review score just to spite them, either. just sayin'.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 3:25:14 AM
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Well that's just... stupid. I mean, even if your product gets a bad review from a site, advertising is advertising. I'm sure that there are a few sites that need the ads, but quite a few would be big enough to do without, or could easily get other sponsors.

All this does, in my eyes, is harm the professional reputation of Topware. If you stuff up, accept the consequences and do better next time. There's no point in whinging and whining about it.
Peace.

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___________
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 6:49:59 AM
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asking for a re written review is one thing, but threatening to remove from press list if they dont up the score to at least a 7 is just pathetic!
these selfish pricks should be banned from making video games!

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 8:04:49 AM
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First off, I own TW2, and I enjoy it. There is an insane amount of things to do in this game.

Secondly, I was never worried about PSX. I may not agree with this site's review scores at times, but at least I don't have to worry about integrity or worthless hit type articles. This is a website run by professionals.

Finally, I see these occurances as a symptom of a flu when it comes to reviewing games. Certain games will always get free rides in the mainstream media (COD, HALO) while others are scrutinized beyond fairness (GT5). Why is that? Is it wrong for Topware to be blacklisting entities? Yes. The real question though is why are they feeling forced to do so? In my opinion, it's because a non professional has control over a professional.

I really believe that some form of criteria needs to be established when it comes to becoming a professional reviewer. I, as a professional designer didn't just pick up a pencil or grab a mouse and start claiming I was an architectural genius. I went to school, found employment with construction companies and met the criteria set forth by the IBC and AIA. It's all about being a professional, and that's something that the video game review industry lacks direction in.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:01:55 PM
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The best way to solve this problem is simply make a better game.

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kraygen
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 12:44:46 PM

Not necessarily, sometimes no matter how good the game is, some companies will give it a poor score.

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Nynja
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 @ 3:00:39 PM
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Haha! Well, that just tells me to never trust a good review on TopWare games!

Unless of course it comes from PSXE.

****UPDATE:

Beefjack has an update and received a reply from Topware directly. Topware claims they never requested a re-write or change in the review score and also denied any claims that they intend to pull ads from the publication. Shortly after Beefjack received the reply from Topware, the 'questionable' publication that received threats have since then received an apology from Topware PR.

Yeah, Topware PR screwed up big. Dude should be fired.

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tararara
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 @ 10:09:10 AM
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This game is really good. One think that way, other another...

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tararara
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 @ 10:09:30 AM
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This game is really good. One think that way, other another...

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