Infinity Ward: New CoD Engine Would Be "Counter-productive"
See Full ImageDICE has the Frostbite 2 engine for Battlfield 3, so might Infinity Ward have a new engine for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, which they are rumored to be developing?
Nope. When someone mentioned on Robert Bowling's Twitter page that "someone just needs to spend the $ and construct a new engine for the CoD franchise...ground up," Bowling replied: "That would be counterproductive. An engine takes years and years to develop and get right." For a frame of reference, check out the new Battlefield 3 gameplay, which shows off that aforementioned Frostbite 2 engine. In contrast, all the CoD entries since CoD2 in 2005 have run on the same engine, although modifications and other upgrades have been obvious. We all assume Infinity Ward is cranking away on MW3 and we expect an official announcement soon, but if they want to be competitive with DICE and EA, maybe a new engine will be necessary at some point... The CoD fans don't seem to notice or care that each entry has been using the same engine but then again, both IW and Treyarch have done some pretty amazing things with that piece of technology.
But uh...maybe that Twitter poster has a point. Maybe if Activision didn't have to put out a CoD title every year, someone could make a new engine...
Tags: infinity ward, call of duty, modern warfare 3, cod engine
3/2/2011 8:57:11 PM John Shepard
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Comments (113 posts)
OPHIDIAN
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:26:52 PM
Your talking about the ideal world where developers forgo interest in profit and try to create the best possible game within their ability. However, you got to understand, IW, Dice etc are all companies, businesses, they exist to make a profit.
I mean, who would pay the IW team while this extraordinary engine is being made?
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:29:06 PM
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booze925
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:01:43 AM
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Temjin001
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:29:12 AM
=p
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:30:18 AM
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Dancemachine55
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 5:29:14 AM
Your posts are always good for a laugh.
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Ishkur
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 5:31:08 AM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:02:27 AM
Imagine if IW, Dice, etc. had sharholders to be responsible to! Man, imagine how many games would be released th.... o wait....
Yeah... I suppose they do have alot of people to be responsible to.
You guys can blame the human condition and the lust for money or that fanciful thing called capitalism, but don't forget, people have always been wanting more. It isn't a new idea with capitalism that just sprung up in the last 2 centuries... *rolls eyes*
If you're really mad, blame the people who settle for mediocrity and buy the game year in/year out. Your thoughts on capitalism are porous because you act like people have no choice but to invest in a new game with them every year. We, the people, have the right to vote with our wallets. And guess what? If most people continue to buy it, maybe we're in the minority believing it's only mediocre. And if that's the case, the people have spoken in which case IW has done nothing but deliver what the people want.
I dunno... I just see so much wrong with your undergraduate thinking. It's much akin to a second year undergrad. (not an actual graduate or even someone who's never been to university...)
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:18:13 PM
Riiiight, it was the "systems" that forced Hilter, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Mummar Qadaffi, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jung IL, Saddam, etc etc to inflict horror, suffering and death upon hundreds of millions of people through out history. Gotcha!
/
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Ishkur
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:46:22 PM
@Underdog15
"Imagine if IW, Dice, etc. had sharholders to be responsible to! Man, imagine how many games would be released th.... o wait....
Yeah... I suppose they do have alot of people to be responsible to."
So they release alot of games, which is good for people who want quantity, but I like quality, so there.. I don't like to see the same game in a new box every month, I don't like to see creativity being held back due to time constraints, budget or what have you.. I'm sorry to bring this up, but the truth is, I've watched a movie called Zeitgeist(you may have heard of it), and I am convinced, that all good would come out of having a world free of money.. I'm not here to debate how that would work, I don't know, all I know is we'd be better off.. That's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, no?
"You guys can blame the human condition and the lust for money or that fanciful thing called capitalism, but don't forget, people have always been wanting more. It isn't a new idea with capitalism that just sprung up in the last 2 centuries... *rolls eyes*"
Of course it isn't anything new, but that doesn't make it less outdated, does it? Or more OK. Does it?
"If you're really mad, blame the people who settle for mediocrity and buy the game year in/year out. Your thoughts on capitalism are porous because you act like people have no choice but to invest in a new game with them every year. We, the people, have the right to vote with our wallets. And guess what? If most people continue to buy it, maybe we're in the minority believing it's only mediocre. And if that's the case, the people have spoken in which case IW has done nothing but deliver what the people want."
I'm definitely not mad, I choose to ignore the money hungry companies, and try to buy games with thought put into it.. Absolutely! And there you go and put words into my mouth, I never said people don't have a saying into what comes out, and in what quality, all I'm saying is that companies have the incentive of selling it to us.. Now what does that mean? Does that mean they want to make the best product we can get? Given the fact there's the option of DLC, a new in the series coming out next year, and in the case of the story, not wanting to make a new, better engine, because it costs more than they could be making without.. The answer is no, of course not. But after those factors, yeah sure.. They'll make it good! And remember, DICE is only doing theirs, to compete and perhaps overthrow COD.. Do you see a pattern here? They're driven by money, not by wanting to make the best thing they can do for us, but by our wallets.. :)
"I dunno... I just see so much wrong with your undergraduate thinking. It's much akin to a second year undergrad. (not an actual graduate or even someone who's never been to university...)"
Good to know I don't sound indoctrinated, thanks!
@Jawknee
Riiiight, it was the "systems" that forced Hilter, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Mummar Qadaffi, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jung IL, Saddam, etc etc to inflict horror, suffering and death upon hundreds of millions of people through out history. Gotcha!"
The fact that people have the ability go get power is inherently evil, isn't it? Get the wrong guy/s up there, and you're screwed.. And the money system allows that, that's all I'm saying.. It's all connected ooOOooOoo...! xD
Thumbs up if you love video games <3 :*
Last edited by Ishkur on 3/3/2011 3:59:49 PM
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 5:53:16 PM
Evil doesn't exist in man? Tell that to the boys Jeffery Dohmer drugged, raped, murdered and ate. Tell that to the people who ended being Ed Gaine's lamp shade. Those evil men didn't commit the horror they did because of money or power. You points would be sad if they actually made sense.
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Ishkur
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:25:43 PM
One thing though, I'm fully aware of extremely messed up people around the world, and I didn't mean that these things that they do aren't evil, but they weren't born that way.. Brought up in another environment they'd be different than what they were..
*waits for the "you're defending these monsters, blasphemy!" aka the flame
(no im not)
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:23:59 PM
I was certainly not putting words into your mouth, nor were you the only one that I was addressing.
I, also, have grown tired of the CoD franchise, as many on this site can attest to, and I most certainly prefer to buy games of quality, which again, many on this site can attest to.
I was not even remotely arguing that Activision is my favorite company or that you should support them NOR DID I EVER SAY IT MAKES IT LESS OUTDATED!
The most frustrating thing is that you completely misread my whole post. I was merely addressing the fact that this phantom evil corporation mumbo-jumbo was silly. That Activision behaves like a business, and that the only way to change that is for everyone to buy TRUE quality over what is popular. We're on the same page dude!
Additionally, my POINT that I made.... well.... was that if people keep buying it up, then perhaps it is because they are given what they want. Why would you change a product that keeps being purchased? Why would you refine something that gets eaten up annually like a religious feast whether it's made by a gourmet chef or a McDonalds line cook?
Of course I would prefer refinement. I'm constantly on this site complaining about the poor multiplayer reliability found in CoD. I'm overjoyed when I write about how my friends have converted to KZ3!
I was, quite clearly, justifying Activision's actions, not as artists in gaming, but as a business who has a responsibility to their shareholders. I was pointing out the flawed logic of the "evil corporation". I was not trying to say CoD was some AAA title.
In fact, I would argue, that the parts you quoted from me, were the LEAST important parts of my post and were likely just the parts you wanted to address. And to me, that is frustrating, and a little bit indoctrinated.
Look... no developer in their right mind (aside from SquareEnix...) would stray from a recipe that works. I agree that it hurts the industry as a whole and limits progression, AT TIMES, but it's not like there aren't high quality AAA titles. If we're going to buy the next annual cash-cow title they throw at us, guess what they're gonna keep making? That's right.
You can't blame the corporations for that sort of business model. Blame the masses that support it. THAT is my point. On everything else, we agree.
Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/3/2011 7:26:40 PM
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:12:37 PM
Note: Now you're LINKING to your baseless propaganda crap? Right. Not here.
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:18:11 PM
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Ishkur
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 3:48:25 AM
Some notes about your post.
1. You're right, you weren't only replying to me, overlooking on my part whoops.
2. Be reminded, this is only my opinion. No need to get frustrated, just because we don't share the same views :) I'm sure you'll agree on this; as long as games make a huge profit as they do nowadays, we will have people in power telling the developers how to make it most profitable - a given. Now what I was trying to get across, was that if it didn't make a huge profit, and people still made games without wanting to make a profit, but with all the benefits of advancing technology, they would try and make them as good as possible. It's an abstract huge longshot, I know, but I just wanted to throw it out there in support of NGA since he was getting heat! :P
3. I'm glad we're on the same page, but I kind of knew that. I didn't misread your post, I know what you tried to say, and I don't dismiss that. All I'm saying is that it's wrong :) Not you, but the fact that games, and basically everything is controlled with profit in mind.. :) It might be right in some ways, but it's more wrong IMO.
4. The problem I see with the notion that, if everyone just buys intelligently we'll have better games, is that the vast majority is not informed or just doesn't care.. It's like with Coca Cola, Nestle or oil for that matter, people still buy it, even though it might stem from underpaid workers, or in the case for oil, not being infinite and causing damage to our environment some say.. A bit off track there, but you get my point :)
5. I actually quoted your whole post ;)
6. I'm for both refinement and sticking to what they know, as far as developing games goes, what I'm not for is holding back due to constraints. That's all :) So we agree!
7. Here's where we disagree, I wouldn't blame either the corporations nor the masses that support them, I'll rather blame the money system for allowing, encouraging and rewarding it.. Yeah, it's invisible, and yeah there doesn't seem to be anything that can change it, so it's easier to blame people, but they're not the real culprit in my opinion! :P
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 7:39:31 PM
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 8:51:30 PM
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OPHIDIAN
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:22:44 PM
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I played BBC2 and was surprised by the lacklustre graphics, but then again Black Ops was a mess in my opinion too.
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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:41:45 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:18:21 PM
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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:48:32 PM
I don't know much about both
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:05:35 PM
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NoSmokingBandit
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:43:00 PM
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If, however, your goal is to make the best game you can, you should be pouring resources into making the best engine you can.
It just reinforces in my mind that Activision takes no pride in their own work, they care just about sales numbers. This is why i generally stick to exclusives. MGS4 would undoubtedly sell tons more copies if it were cross-platform, but theres a certain level of quality that can be reached only by focusing on one set of hardware.
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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:22:54 AM
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ColTater
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:33:07 AM
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Oxvial
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:43:17 PM
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Am I wrong? well sorry just stop buying their games so much.
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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:46:42 PM
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shootu
Friday, March 11, 2011 @ 12:12:23 AM
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JMO_INDY
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:47:45 PM
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Douchebaguette
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:08:41 PM
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Though fast food has it's differences. Like Guitar Hero, Activision's prized possession will crash sooner or later. Well perhaps progressively.
I have to ponder though: what if each game developed by Treyarch are perceived as scapegoats by Darth Kotick in the pursuit of Modern Wearfare's success / stall to it's inevitable downfall?
Meh.
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booze925
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:58:56 PM
while McDonalds is whatever you say it is... its still more popular than the cross and shows no signs of slowing down and not about 2 crash sooner or l8er. so... yeah.
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Douchebaguette
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:26:18 AM
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Sanji_Himura
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 8:23:07 AM
1. COD is a popular game, regardless of the hatred spewed by PS3 owners over DLC. The timed exclusivity deal should make clear that Activision is having COD developed with PC360 owners in mind and just simply porting it over to the PS3. They see the PS3 as a way of earning extra money at little to no risk to the publisher.
2. In the early days of McDonalds, you could NOT order a hamburger without onions(according to Heavyweights documentary series). You had to take it as they come. I remember my boss and I having these discussions when we are eating McD's that his hamburgers came with cheese when he was lactose intolerant. I say that to highlight a problem with COD. They do nothing to improve the hit detection and all these other common problems inherint in the experience, and yet they still sell.
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Simcoe
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 8:48:31 AM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:17:22 PM
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DazeOfWar
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:23:56 PM
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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:47:19 PM
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maxpontiac
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 8:13:59 AM
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Godslim
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:52:14 PM
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:31:33 PM
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JSwayze
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:38:20 PM
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Haha...definitely not getting this
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NotGoofinAround
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:47:33 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:08:44 PM
Stop being so dramatic drama queen. There ARE developers who care about their art. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge it. Activision isn't the only Publisher and Call of Duty isn't the only game.
AND...it is just your opinion. Not a very informed one at that.
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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:43:59 PM
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:28:43 PM
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gunblademaster
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 10:50:36 PM
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The same game engine...its true considering that EVERY COD GAME IS THE EXACT SAME.
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NotGoofinAround
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:44:33 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:53:54 PM
Your point makes no sense. They HAVE and CONTINUE to release QUALITY games regardless of those board members and dead lines. You just seem to dislike corporations and THAT is why I call it marxist claptrap. With out these "greedy, evil, slimy corporations" THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY GAMES! Get off your high horse. Corporations and Capitalism are NOT the problem. Your argument is just as asinine as blaming a fat persons weight on the size of spoon they use. Your anti-corporate stance is nonsense. Sony is a corporation, they make the PS3's we play our games on. Microsoft is a corporation, they make the 360's we play our games on. They learn how to better their products through the competition capitalism creates. With out capitalism there would be no Playstation's or Xbox's to play the Art you seem to think is dead.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:03:02 AM
Every last publisher understands very well that only quality holds any sway in this industry. It's why just about every time you hear EA talk about quality, they say they're committed to releasing 9+ rated games, because they know how important review scores are. It's why the vast majority of the best selling games in history are also on most any "Best Games of All Time" list you will find.
No publisher who understands what sells in this industry is going to push a developer to put out crap. That's a theory that is easily disproved by the stats. If you would like to find other instances where big, world-killing corporations have a negative effect, I'm sure you can find them. But you're not making any legitimate points in regards to the business of gaming, and your bias seems to be of the blind collegiate kind, and not actually based in reality.
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Simcoe
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:09:54 AM
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booze925
Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 11:52:32 PM
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unless DICE has a huge marketing campaign planned for battlefield 3. shame, battlefield 3 looks absolutely mind blowing
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:00:56 AM
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booze925
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:06:27 AM
worth more than a dime i think
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:21:05 AM
::facepalm::
Are you even reading our responses to your inane logic?
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Temjin001
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:33:12 AM
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Douchebaguette
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:22:41 AM
Besides. Many crap games make the better ones stand out more. Those games become a jem by the time you've completed it, and memory to forever immerse you. So there is a pro to your suggested con.
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spiderboi
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:35:11 AM
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Clamedeus
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:24:15 AM
Because all of the PS exclusive games are cheaper on the map packs than what activision is going for.
If they can't give dedicated servers i doubt they will make a brand new engine on top of that.
Last edited by Clamedeus on 3/3/2011 7:25:27 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:33:31 AM
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kraygen
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:25:55 PM
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:33:39 AM
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rossinator_99
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:53:02 AM
and good luck trying to out-debate jawknee...
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:52:51 AM
I am inclined to agree that Activision's only motivation is money hence why they feel no need to make Call of Duty any better but that's not the fault of Capitalism. It's the fault of ACTIVISION! They made the choice, not capitalism. Know knock it off with his BS Karl.
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:48:23 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:52:38 AM
Where are these sub-par games? Are you even old enough to remember the old days when the MAJORITY of titles on store shelves were so bad as to be almost unplayable? Do you even know where "all your base are belong to us" came from? Do you really think there's any comparison at all in terms of quality assurance?
You calling Madden, CoD, etc. "sub-par" is ridiculous. Maybe they are in your mind, but they are all better than 80-90% of the games on store shelves today, like it or not. Bad games don't sell and almost never do.
You apparently have absolutely no statistics to prove your theory, and the reason everyone is disagreeing with you is because you're dead flat WRONG. If you can't find a way to back up your argument with actual evidence, please do take your anti-corporate ravings elsewhere.
And learn to use the Reply button. But I don't want to see another reply from you unless you have something besides entirely personal and subjective ravings.
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 3/3/2011 12:55:20 AM
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rossinator_99
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:58:55 AM
and just so i contributed...COD is fun for renting, but it definitely seems like the same game in a different chapter. (i only play sp)
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:12:46 AM
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johnld
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:31:43 AM
no new game modes in killzone 3....really? i havent played operation in other killzone games. warzone is also a mixture of a lot of different game modes. its actually great that they mixed them all up and objectives changes mid game. how many game modes can there be for a shooter?
If you're gonna use games as examples of games that dont develop or work on their art, i suggest that you not use exclusives. as it stands, exclusives are the games that push that bar further and further, especially sony exclusives. i mean sony gave their developers enough time and funding to come up with amazing games like infamous, killzone, uncharted, gran turismo, metal gear solid, resistance, ratchet and clank, littlebigplanet, MAG, warhawk, valkyria chronicles, heavy rain, modnation racers, and god of war. those games clearly shows that they are the best of the best out there right now. they may have been given a deadline but they definitely have all the resources they need to make it happen.
as for cod and madden, i agree that theyre basically the same game but there are small improvement with each iteration. the fact is that they dont need to make it completely different because people will buy them anyway. if it aint broke dont fix it. although that mentality irritates me, it makes sense from their point of view. if people dont buy their games for the reason that they dont want the same game each year then you'll see activision and their developers rushing to create a new game engine.
It seems to me that you are trying to make some kind of point (and face planting by the way) and loosely tying gaming to it. things like that just wont fly here because people on this site are a lot smarter than your average peers, especially concerning the gaming universe.
ohh, just in case you decide to skip past my arguement and choose to go onto another rant, my position on your "arguements" is...
:FaceDesk: when :FacePalm: is simply not enough..
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BTNwarrior
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:42:37 AM
videogames would have never existed if it wasn't for capitalism, neither would home video, the internet, or any of this beloved personal technology that you are using today. And Capitalism is the only driving force for game creaters to improve upon their games. Because if you make something better people will buy it.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:53:35 AM
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:58:46 AM
Good to know, now you can leave and go tell your neo-marxists professors about how you got owned on a video game thread regurgitating the nonsense he has spoon fed you.
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spiderboi
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:47:36 AM
The general consensus for multiplats (and CoD being a close number 1) is that their full potential is not being met. But c'mon, people may be driven by hype, but they ain't stupid. No one will buy crap. The sales of succeeding CoDs attest to that. But like I mentioned, most of the people in this site do not like how it does not attempt to do a lot of innovation as compared to what LBP2, Uncharted 2, Infamous 2 to its predecessors.
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 7:42:37 PM
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Lawless SXE
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:15:23 AM
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At least tell me that they'll craft a new engine when the next generation begins. But here's the thing, there are now four studios working on CoD, unless I'm mistaken. So, my question is this, why doesn't one of them take a couple of years off to create a new engine, while the others use the older engine. Sure. by the time the game with the newest engine is released, the differences will likely seem incremental due to improvements made on the old engine, but as with anything, there is only so far that you can push something old. Something new can go much, much further.
Peace.
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___________
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:42:49 AM
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DICE have been working on frostbite 2 for years, so unless IW have been secretly working on a new engine since MW2 came out i cant see this happening.
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Codeez
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 2:29:08 AM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:52:54 AM
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Codeez
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:47:50 PM
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King James
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:30:26 PM
White Jesus w/ a gun...no wait...2 guns. I get it.
Codeez, does it have something to w/ the Crusades? B/c thats what I see.
Last edited by King James on 3/3/2011 1:32:33 PM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:38:33 PM
Just remember... just as people do now with the Muslim religion... there will always be people who will USE religion for their own personal gain. Just because someone in power can do it, doesn't mean that's indicative of what that religion is about. The academic world knows this, and only the most bitter would use is as an excuse to give various faiths no credibility. Martin Luther was very much against the crusades, fyi, as was most of the living Christian world at the time they occured. But the papal kings had the power to do what THEY want, and by mixing religion at the time, it meant they didn't need an excuse. I have a hard time believing today's muslims extremists or the christians of the crusades (also extremists, really) really believed in their respective religions.
Anyways, I'll say nothing more as religion is sort of a faux-pas on this gaming site, as it inevitably draws out off-topic debates that often leave people feeling hurt and betrayed, but let's just leave it at this:
The crusades were evil, as anyone who uses faith to promote war and death is too. And some people have a deep and profound, personal love for Christ, and such an image can be hurtful whether you realize it or agree with their faith or not. I dunno. Just a sort of common courtesy, I guess.
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FM23
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 2:39:33 AM
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:48:55 AM
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Sorry Jawk I refuse to get down to your level and make weak assumptions about you and call you names, c'mon man grow up.
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Qubex
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:21:28 AM
As far as FPS engine development and innovation, I wouldn't say innovation is not possible or evident, it is... but I think it is more in the visual space rather than in the gameplay space. There slight variations to the way these games are being played with every new iteration... but it is still the same sort of thing with campaigns and multilayer mechanics that follow similarities we have all become fairly used to these days.
Bulletstorm is pretty innovative - every now and again a new gameplay mechanic is included, but the similarities are still evident... pretty obvious considering these are FPS's, you need to run around and shoot things.
I think Activision are milking the cow... and milking her again and again... one day the cow will die...
Battlefield 3 looks like a cut above the rest after seeing the preview, looks photo realistic and has animations that look like reality... plenty to get excited about I would say...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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Clamedeus
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:35:20 AM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:56:27 AM
I'm not sure you have a right to keep your opinion. You can't even support it properly.
I'm with EVERYONE here except you. You haven't countered anyone's points. Sure, Jawk called you a Marxist, but aside from that, you are the ONLY one calling people names/claiming not to stoop to our level.
Stoop to our level? Seriously? Why don't you stoop UP to our level and have a REAL debate! You dont have to agree with anyone, but if you want people to at least RESPECT you and your opinion if they can't agree to it, then you should actually respond to people instead of merely hitting the reply button and pressing play on that tape recorder of yours.
Actually... scratch that... you don't even hit the reply button.
At least Jawknee and Ben reply to what you write... you just pretend like they say nothing and cling to the one or two sentences out of a hundred that you think you have a chance against.
Be a man. FRIG.
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Snaaaake
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:23:49 AM
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And Activision won't change anything as long as CoD keeps on raking billions.
We'll see how long CoD can keep it's momentum but not anytime soon I'm sure.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 8:25:35 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 10:19:30 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:47:58 PM
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King James
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:50:58 AM
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Anyways back to games... CoD better get the cracking on something b/c that engine's been looking dated since MW1. And that BATTLEFIELD 3... F'n ridiculous! I say that trailer and instantly said "Where you at, CoD?!" And I don't even play the Battlefield games. But I'm playing this one!
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kraygen
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:30:17 PM
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In layman's terms,
"We could care less about quality, we are making tons of money and we barely have to work for it."
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 5:26:18 PM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:39:15 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 8:02:45 PM
You just showed up with the intention of getting banned. You stated a completely merit-less argument without providing an ounce of evidence to back up your side, and insulted everyone.
And by the way, considering that you're not capable of listening to another opinion other than yours, and you're about as close-minded as can be, I'm relatively certain you're the epitome of an "elitist."
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NotGoofinAround
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:17:56 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:23:51 PM
And I'm not going to be approving your trolling propaganda crap. You showed up to start a political fight for no reason whatsoever.
Make one more post that is about your crusade, and THEN you'll be banned. Trust me on that.
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 8:34:36 PM
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tes37
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:56:23 PM
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Capitalism is the greatest monetary system the world has ever seen. Just my educated two cents.
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somethingrandom
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 8:30:52 PM
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NotGoofinAround
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Wednesday, March 02, 2011 @ 9:21:12 PM