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Sony: 41.6 Million PS3s Sold, 70 Million PSN Accounts

We're over four years into the lifespan of the PlayStation 3, so where does it stand?

The latest numbers were revealed during the PlayStation Network Analysis panel at GDC 11, where SCEA digital distribution manager Pierre Gravereau displayed the stats: 41.6 million PS3 consoles sold worldwide, more than 80% are connected to the internet and there are over 70 million PSN accounts. The PSN was extremely successful in 2010; Gravereau said Store traffic increased by 60% compared to 2009 and Sony benefited by a 70% increase in revenue. The PSN has indeed become a hot spot for PS3 owners; the number of demos, trailers, games, and pieces of media has risen drastically over the years and we're hoping you contributed to the Gamers' Choice Awards this year.

Also, don't forget Sony plans to bring the PSN to more consumers in the near future, thanks to new programs and partnerships; that PlayStation logo is really going to get around. As for the sales tally, many think it's inevitable that the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in terms of overall numbers. Will it happen this year...?

Tags: ps3, playstation 3, playstation network, psn, sony

3/3/2011 10:31:33 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (103 posts)

Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 10:57:07 AM
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Yeah, I voted for the picks. Looking forward to March 7!

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cLoudou
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:13:17 AM
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Winning!........soon.

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SvenMD
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:39:22 PM

I was kinda hoping that was a Charlie Sheen reference....I couldn't tell though.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:47:38 PM

Winning....now. Seriously, MS can't keep the charade up for much longer.

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cLoudou
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:39:27 PM

Sony only knows one speed: Go!

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:02:15 PM

It won't matter to Xbots until PS3 beats 360 just in the US...per the too common simple-minded American thinking that the rest of the world doesn't matter.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:52:36 PM

xnonsuchx -

As opposed to the simple minded people who stereotype Americans because of a few idiots?

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:36:29 PM

I think you misread, max. I was saying too many Americans seem to think that, not that most did, but I guess the wording could be read as you seem to have.

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maxpontiac
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:15:07 AM
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To me, it's all about the games that I can find on the PS3 exclusively.

I believe the average PS3 user understands and sees that gaming goes beyond what you can find on the other console.

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DirtySkillzHD
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:18:51 AM
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I have made like 70 accounts so im not sure accounts show data correctly

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:33:31 AM

The data is generally accurate. The vast majority of people do not create multiple PSN accounts.

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SvenMD
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:40:43 PM

For the record, I have only 1 account.

2nd - Why do you need 70 accounts??? How does that help you out?

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:06:46 PM

Why in the world would you make 70 accounts? I have never heard of that before.

I have 3 on my PS3. One for me, one for my wife, and another for a "guest" to my PS3. It's nice! My visiting friends and family have collectively reached level 5 in trophy level! ^.^

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:15:41 PM

Are you one of those people who stalks other PSN accounts and creates a new account every time he is banned?

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:00:21 PM

@ Dirty

You know, you would've made a more believable case if you said something like 3 or 4, but 70? Seems to me that you're simply making up info that supports you knocking on Sony's success.

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Temjin001
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 12:11:12 AM

I have 4 accounts. Each for a different region. The Hong Kong account was a waste of time. Some member on here claimed you could get the KZ3 demo early through the HK PSN. I signed up for a HK PSN and no KZ3 demo...I was duped

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The Doom
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:19:03 AM
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Didn't Sony say that that SOLD 46 million at one point?

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coverton341
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:39:15 AM

Yeah, SCEJ said that they had sold something like 46.7 million units worldwide. Don't know exactly what is up with that. Maybe they were misquoted or meant to say that they had shipped that many units worldwide

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:19:19 AM
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41.6 million sold - I can remember a time when industry analysts predicted the PS3 wouldn't even sell that many - lifetime. I can also remember many times when certain industry voices suggested that the PS3 would disappear.


Seems those voices were wrong.

I agree with Max about the influence of exclusives. Contrary to the assertions of many experts and analysts, exclusive games are extremely important now, perhaps more than before. They are far from disappearing their role has not diminished, it's been heightened.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:51:14 AM

Well, after a tad bit of research, I'll go ahead and correct myself. The actual sales of PS3 have hit 50 million units now. Many analysts stated categorically that the PS3 would never hit 50 million units.

It should be noted that 50 million units after 4 and a bit years, puts the PS3 on schedule to hit at least 100 million units by the end of it's life. Sony's own figures show the picture nicely. The FY2010 sales of PS3 already total more than 12 million units with only three quarters reported. Sony are on schedule to sell about 15 million PS3s in F2010 - as they predicted they would. On that pace, they can sell at least that many in FY2011, and a similar number in FY2012. Even if sales decline gradually there after, the PS3 would be likely to eclipse 120 million units sold in it's lifetime. Not bad for a console tagged as a failure by all and sundry.

Since the actual sales at the end of Dec 2010 were 47.9 million units, perhaps Ben will update the story and include the link to the SCEI PS3 sales data page.

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:56:18 PM

Agreed. One might ask, "If exclusives were to truly disappear, what would be the point of having different consoles?

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dante_zero
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:23:18 AM
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i thought Sony said in december that the figures were closer to 46 million too? slightly confused about the actual sold figure now.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:39:39 AM

Actually it's near 48 million sold at the close of 2010.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:44:58 AM

It's actually 48 million or so sold by the close of 2010 (see the link I posted above).

The number given here is as at the end of Q2 2010.

The official numbers of units sold by Sony are 47.9 million by the end of 2010, and that includes 6.3 million sold during Q3 2010 (ending Dec 31 2010).

The number given here is out of date, and actually corresponds to the number of units sold at the end of Q2 2010 (ending Sep 30 2010) which are 47.9 million minus the Q3 sales of 6.3 million, which equals 41.6 million units - as stated on the slide presented at the GDC.

So, actually, PS3 has sold more 50 million units *now* since they'd already hit 48 million at the end of 2010, and the global sales reported from January and February push the total past 50 million.

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The Doom
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:56:09 AM

Why would they even give numbers from Q2 2010 at this time? Surely they'd know that people would see that as current sales

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:03:04 PM

Doom, I don't know that answer. but I do know that different divisions of large corporates do not always use the same, up to date, figures. It seems like it was simply an oversight.

All I can say is that the data is the data, and 41.6 million is the number sold at the end of Q2 FY2010, the total sold at the end of Q3 2010 is 47.9 million, and with the January and February sales, PS3 has clipped past 50 million units by now (or very near it).

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A2K78
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:53:11 AM
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"many think it's inevitable that the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in terms of overall numbers. Will it happen this year...?"

The 360 is outselling it at a ratio currently of 2 to 1. With that mind the obvious answer is no.

In the end the PS3 will get close to the 360, but outsell then no.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:54:19 AM

You need to pay attention to more than the NA sales data my friend.

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Lord carlos
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:01:35 PM

Theres this planet called 'Earth'
its quite large

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King James
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:16:30 PM

Some1 didn't pay attention in math class.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:33:42 PM

Lol! Owned again.

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kraygen
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:43:19 PM

Where are you getting those numbers, it's not even selling that well in the U.S.A.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:50:33 PM

...constant arbitrary behavior doesn't prove knowledge.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:59:09 PM

Kraygen, he just makes stuff up.

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:24:41 PM

@A2k78

Give me your source.

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 11:13:02 AM

@A2k78

Give me some of what you're smoking.

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pillz81
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:20:52 AM

A2k78 is a crack-pot.

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Lord carlos
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:59:57 AM
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Not surprising really
PS1 & PS2 both sold 120 million plus units each so i don't see why the PS3 can't.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:00:32 PM
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Lots of interesting information today....

Just an interesting tidbit, but PS2 sales continue to be strong, last year Sony says they sold 7.3 million of the blighters, and this year they look on course to sell between 6.5 and 7 million of them. PS2 sales are on a gradual decline, almost in sync with the increase in PS3 sales.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html

PSP has sold 6.3 million units during FY2010, and looks set to have it's second year of declining sales since peaking in 2008 with 14.1 million units. Judging from the figures, PSP will hit about 8 million units in FY2010, but with the recent price cut things might improve. although the fact that NGP is on the horizon may slow things down. That said, at $129.99 the PSP is an excellent deal, so who knows.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdatapsp_sale_e.html

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King James
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:17:57 PM
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I'd say by the end of the year the PS3 will outsell the 360. Unless M$ finally announces some exclusives for their machine. Either way, it'll be close and one system had a year's head start and a 33% failure rate to boost resales. So which really filled more households w/ it console excluding replacement sales? I think Sony did...like last year.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:43:40 PM

Precisely.

Conmsidering that XBL was only announced to go past 30 million at CES2011, you have to wonder how many of the 360s sold are actually active. You need an XBL silver account just to download firmware updates on 360, and a gold account to play. Since MS counts both Silver and gold members in the 30 million number, you really have to wonder why the total number of XBL accounts isn't higher, especially as it's the route to firmware updates. Not only that but Sony estimates that 80% of PS3s are connected to the Intenet, if a similar % of Xbox 360s are networked, that would mean that you ought to see many more than 30 million XBL users. Even if you scale the number of members of XBL assuming 1 account per Xbox (which is a false assumption since there are many times when there are more than one account on an Xbox), at an 80% Internet connectivity rate, that's only about 38 million. Does that mean that there are only 38 million live xbox360s around?

Once you start digging into the XBL numbers it get's interesting. Wonder how many XBL Gold accounts there actually are? In December 2010 MS indicated that roughly half (56%) of all XBL members are Gold accounts. So if there are 30 million or so XBL accounts, that means that there are only 17 million or so Gold accout holders.

17 million Xbox360 players play online, the others don't? Only 30 million of the apparent 50 million 360s sold are even signed up for XBL Silver? That just doesn't add up. that would mean that only 60% of 360s are connected online, and less than 40% of Xbox 360 owners have a Gold membership.

What now? Wait a minute, if the 360 is doing so well, why is it that the underlying numbers are so poor? There's something not quite right with this picture. Perhaps it's the fact that if you only look at consoles sold you're missing something very important. The numbers for the 360 are heavily skewed by replacement purchases, and during the Kinect/squat 360 launch there has been a monster refresh cycle with owners of older units updating. I have no hard evidence for that, but the numbers are odd, especially when you start looking into the XBL numbers. That number of XBL Silver accounts is most revealing of all, since Silver is free, like PSN is free (although without the ability to Play online unlike PSN which is free, free, free and free).

If I were an analyst in the industry, I might be writing some alarming reports about MS right about now.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:19:43 PM

Why does every keep saying that 360's numbers are greatly skewed because of replacement consoles? I've had the "red ring of death" twice now, and both times I sent in my console and they either fixed it or sent me a new one because it was still under their extended warranty. This has happened to a few of my friends and they all sent it back and got new ones.

Granted I know thats a *VERY* small sample size but I have never heard of people's Xboxs crapping out and then just hoping in the car to WalMart to buy a brand new one. I know that some would obviously do this (dumb people) and I also know that there really isn't anyway for MS, analysts, or you or I to provide numbers for replacement consoles either.

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King James
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:22:57 PM

One of my best friends - that I'm trying to convert - has 3 Xboxs. A red one (the Gears of War one?), a regular white one, and the new small one w/ the PS3 finish and a Kinect.

Why does he have so many? B/c the red one's fried, the white one overheats, and M$ packaged up a nice smaller Xbox (w/ the PS3 finish) with a Kinect...so he decided to buy one.

He doesn't play the Kinect game it comes. And controlling ESPN3 w/ ur hand may feel cool at 1st but after 30 seconds you realize it feels stupid and you could've rewinded the video faster and w/ less effort with a...wait for it...REMOTE!

Doing the math. I know he's spent over $1000 on his Xbox. And thats not even counts the separate $200 blu-ray player he has. He falls for the M$ trap. And he is the reason why the Xbox360 "sells better" than the PS3.

Oh and @Jimmy
Nice name btw. I can name 3 other ppl who I know personally, that were out-of-warranty and had to buy 1-3 extra 360s.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:35:03 PM

Jimmy, a lot of people own more than one Xbox so they have one while another is getting fixed. There a lot of people who get fed up with sending their Xbox in every time it breaks so they think the best thing to do is just to buy another one hoping that the newer model will won't fail as often. The numbers are skewed. You only need to look at MS's software sales compared to their hardware sales. They sell a lot more hardware than software which indicates people are replacing or adding consoles to their house hold and not buying games.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:35:33 PM

@ King James, nice name yourself.

Like I said I'm sure there are people out there that have just purchased more than 1 Xbox once theirs broke down. But Microsoft was pretty good about advertising their extended warranty and what to do if your 360 RROD'd. Theres even an entire section on the xbox website dedicated to hardware failure. It was mostly just damage control for MS to put this much PR/marketing money into that, but I feel like most casual gamers would be less inclined to plop down $200-$300 on a new console if the one they had just broke. I guess if you were no longer covered by the warranty you'd be effed, but they extended it to 3 years past the date of your last hardware failure.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:50:02 PM

"I guess if you were no longer covered by the warranty you'd be effed,"

Again though, how many of those people just say screw it and buy a new console because they are sick of sending their Xbox in a few times within that 3 year span? You have to remember too for the first 2 years of the Xbox's life, MS didn't offer a 3 year warranty. Only the normal one year that comes with any consumer electronic device. I know a lot of people, regardless of the 3 year warranty who went out and simply bought a new Xbox because they were sick of playing the refurbished game with MS. Their line of thinking was the newer models must be better hardware so they decided to fork over more money for another brand new Xbox even though the other was still under warranty. It's lame having to send your console in and having to wait for a replacement. I can understand why people would just go out and buy another one(though I didn't, I gave up after the first RROD and E74 error). Most of my friends who play Xbox own more than one.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:52:53 PM

Jawknee,

I know that people do that. My point is that I don't think that the NUMBER of people that choose to buy a new 360 over waiting the 2-3 weeks it takes for the replacement unit to come is statistically significant in skewing the console numbers. I could be wrong, I could be right, there really is no way to prove it just by "asking your friends what they did".

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 2:04:55 PM

Of coursing my experience alone doesn't create concrete facts. Refute Highlanders points. He makes a more convincing argument than I.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 2:34:22 PM

The problem with Highlander's argument is that he's assuming that Xbox users are at 80% connectivity rate- the same as PS3. Given that the original 360s don't have built in Wifi that number could be considerably less. I didn't get Live until I bought the wireless adapater and at $70-100 I don't know how many people buy that add-on.

It could be very possible that only 60% are connected to the internet based on that alone.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:18:41 PM

Jimmy,

Read my analysis of the XBL numbers and tell me where the logic and facts are flawed. If MS has sold 50 million 360s to anything close to 50 million individual customers, then why are there only 30 million XBL accounts (Silver or Gold)? Silver is free, and if around 80% of consoles sold are internet connected (Sony's figure - which we have no reason to doubt, nor is there any reason to believe that MS's online % would be different), then where are they all? 80% of 50 million consoles is 40 million connected, except there are only 30 million XBL accounts, so what about that 10 million shortfall eh? Explain that please.

BTW the lack of wireless connectivity is not a reasonable explanation. The 360 has wired ethernet, and has the capability to use a wireless adapter (always has had this capability).

The only explanation that makes any sense is that a significant proportion of consoles have died and been replaced. Alternately, significantly fewer than 80% of Xbox 360s are Internet connected. Or possibly a bit of both. Either way, it points to a major shortfall somewhere.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:32:18 PM

Further point about the 360. Microsoft's concentration with the 360 has always been on XBL and online multi-player gaming. They've striven to make the 360 the console of choice for that type of gaming. Whether the thing has built in wireless or not, it's network capable out of the box. Consequently, I point blank refuse to believe any assertion that only 60% of 360s are net connected. I'll need more than one individual's anecdotal evidence to convince me otherwise.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 8:22:41 AM

I'm just saying that you're taking a leap of faith in assuming that 80% of all Xbox users are connected. I'm not doubting the math you did, its all correct, however, you're just plugging in a number that you can't confirm. I wouldn't doubt that the number is lower than PS3 because of the connectivity issue, or because less Xbox owners care about going online.

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Highlander
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 10:57:21 AM

Jimmy,

That's fine, and I agree, the % is not a verifiable thing. However you have to accept that Xbox Live and online Multi-player shooters have been Microsoft's bread and butter with the Xbox and Xbox360. The Xbox platform is virtually defined by Halo and Xbox Live. I understand the point about wireless, but given the context of the Xbox market, I just do not for a moment believe that a significantly lower proportion of Xbox 360 owners are online compared to PS3 owners. PS3 as a platform has had far more solo gamin experiences and a much lighter focus on multi-player online gaming in general.

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Isamisis
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 10:51:38 AM

@Jimmy

I was an early adopted of the X360 & PS3. My X360 crapped out after the extended warranty expired. The last thing I was going to do was send in my out-of-warranty system & pay M$ to send me back a refurbished X360 with the same problem. It was cheaper and more logical to replace the the system with a new X360 and hope for the best.

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FM23
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:38:58 PM
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Isn't Xbox 360 in the 50mil range now. PS3 needs more software sales more than anything. PS3 needs start targeting Xbox's weakness and advertising its strength in the gaming community more. Xbox is ahead of the game for one reason...great business strategy. Sony needs to adopt this and stop trying to live off name recognition alone. Just sayin.

And that PSN account info is suspect for sure. People make multiple accounts for certain reasons, I for one made like 10 just to send myself cars in GT5. And I thought the PS3 sold more than 41.6...confused anyone? Either way, Xbox 360 will always keep selling...better advertising.

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kraygen
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:45:21 PM

maybe you should have read some of the helpful comments posted by thehighlander.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:45:44 PM

Read the above posts.

You want suspect numbers? Try this. 50 million 360s sold, and only 60% of those owners have signed up for the free XBL silver subscription. Does that mean that only 60% of 360s are online at all? Or are there a substantial number of replacement purchases in that 50 million?

PS3 is doing just fine thank you.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:00:56 PM

umm...my house hold only has 2 accounts. One for me and one for my wife. I'd say the numbers are pretty accurate.

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King James
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:27:10 PM

@FM23
Dude, M$ advertises "better" b/c they have more money. Tons of more money.

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Underdog15
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:41:52 PM

Imagine if MS's XBOX360 advertising wasn't subsidized by PC sales and royalties! I don't really care which console is winning. I am proud that the PS3 is self-sufficient, though.

Initial advertising projected cost for Kinect BEFORE release was $1 billion dollars...

And Sony has said a few times now, that they will never even try to compete with Microsoft's marketing campaign.

Probably because they want PS3 to be self-sufficient.

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 5:35:46 PM

PS3 popularity is based on word-of-mouth, high numbers of quality games of all genres (not just FPS) and Kevin Butler commercials.

MS relies heavily on their stupidly large amounts of marketing because it's what sells their product. Well, that, and the promise of Xbox Live and your friends being on it. Sony sells based on quality of hardware and software support.

In North America, 360 continues to sell more than PS3 for a few reasons:

1. The 360 is cheaper, and last I checked, the recession is still going on, but starting to lift a little. People go the cheaper alternative, even if it is a difference of only $50.

2. The USA is a culture that loves guns and shooting things, and the 360 is taylored to that culture with trigger-style shoulder buttons on the controller.

3. The Halo craze. But it's died off for now. Suddenly, a lot of people in North America realize the 360 doesn't offer much now that Halo is on vacation.

4. Xbox Live. Cross game chat and other features make the 360 more desirable for online play, even though you have to pay quite a bit for it every year. But as Highlander pointed out, Live accounts are really low for 360 unit sales, so Live isn't exactly a high selling point for the 360.

5. Xbots... the biggest reason why 360 continues to sell at all in North America. They constantly make up information and convince the mindless drones who know nothing of consoles that the 360 is the better system. Here are some wonderful lies I've heard from Xbots this generation.
- God of War 3 will come to 360, so don't bother getting a PS3 for it.
- PSN is a terrible service. There's no one online, you can't chat with people while playing and it lags so bad!!
- No one watches blu-ray, and blu-ray is just a waste of money. There's no difference between DVD and blu-ray.
- PS3 only has one good game, Uncharted 2. 360 has Halo 3 and Halo Reach, Gears of War 1 and 2, Call of Duty, Forza and Fable 2 and 3.
- 360 outsells PS3 2:1. That's because 360 is by far the better console.
- 360 has Kinect while PS3 has a Wii remote rip-off called Move. Kinect is the first of its kind to use your body as the controller!!

... and so on.

Now, MS might be quite happy to be the leading console in one or two countries. Sony, however, like to look at the big picture and plan ahead.

It'll be interesting to see what MS pull out of the bag at this year's E3, cos Sony put up when helluva show last year. No doubt it'll be more Kinect games for hardcore gamers, and more Live services. Last year's E3 was MS' weakest moment. 70% of Kinect announcements and gameplay demos followed by Gears of War 3, Fable 3 and Forza 4 demo videos. Then trying to copy Sony by announcing a slimmer 360, THEN bribing the media in the crowd by offering them all a free one. So glad at the time that many commented on how MS was bribing people into liking them by offering free consoles.

Only Microsoft.

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:40:25 PM

@ Dance

So damn true. I've never been in favor of how MS has done things let it comes to their business practices and their bribes,payouts and liars don't help. MS already admitted that Sony has made good decisions when they made the current model 360 with changeable harddrive and wifi. Just keep following the leader MS.

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FM23
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 10:36:46 PM

Whoa...seriously, business is business and if your serious about staying relevant and looking out for paycheck why would you not do what Microsoft does business wise. I don't agree or disagree with their practice, all I know is they make money and stay relevant. Never said PS3 isn't making a push or isn't relevant. All I'm saying is Microsoft is where it at because of aggressive business.

Never said my ps3 account count is representative of others, just saying...I know alot of people who have multiple accounts and if this number holds true for the masses...then yeah, that was getting at.

And for anyone who thinks I'm talking crap in my last post...I'm not. I love my PS3 and I love the PS brand. I in no way shape or form support Xbox. I'm must stating an honest opinion of what I see.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:01:00 PM

Dancemachine,

In the US market, there is no price difference between a 360 and a PS3. The base 360 with a HDD installed costs $299.99, that is the standard price. The PS3 retails at $299.99 including HDD. There is no price difference. Please everyone, stop believing the hype. Microsoft stuffed the channel prior to Christmas so they could claim large numbers (MS counts shipments not sales). There are a lot of older 360 models with HDDs clearanced at lower prices, but the standard price for a brand new Xbox360 (including HDD) from Microsoft is $299.99.

Here's a link to an online retailer's standard Xbox360 page - note the prices.

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=688&name=Xbox-360-Systems



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Dancemachine55
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 9:29:57 AM

Thanks for the reply and the link Highlander.

But here in Australia, 360 is still the dominant console for 2 reasons.

1. It's about $50 to $100 cheaper than a PS3.

2. Everyone who wants to play with friends online opt for 360 and Live services.

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Highlander
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 12:31:34 PM

DanceMachine,

Many thanks, I'd forgotten that you are one of our friends from down under.

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kraygen
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 12:49:37 PM
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I know a lot of people in the industry like to focus on the numbers, I'm just glad the ps3 is selling well, has really great exclusives, and that I made the right purchase.

People want to buy a system that barely does more than the old xbox, I guess everyone is entitled to do what they will.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:02:09 PM
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Good to know(though I am also confused as to why they are using old data when the more recent number is around 48 million). As long as the PS3 continues to sell along with all the great software, it will won't matter if people keep buying Xbox's.

It has no games. ;)

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:13:38 PM

Are you kidding me?!?! (sarcasm intended)

360 has Halo, Gears of War, Fable and Forza!!! Not to mention Steel Battalion for Kinect, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Lost Odyseey and Too Human.

PS3 only has Uncharted and God of War!!

...and Infamous 2. And Metal Gear Solid 4. And Twisted Metal. And Heavy Rain. And Gran Turismo 5. And Ratchet and Clank. And Resistance. And Motorstorm. And Littlebig Planet. And Killzone. And Valkyria Chronicles. And Yakuza. And Demon's Souls. And Sorcery. And The Last Guardian. And Sly Cooper.

Yeah... PS3 has NO games!! ;P

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PS3addict
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:40:13 PM
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Off topic, but important...

Just to note.... With all of my PSN purchases, movies, photos, and music, I had to upgrade my hard drive on the old 40gb PS3. Well be warned, the Samsung 1TB hard drive does NOT fit nicely... It is 2.5" but it is 12.mm in height, not 9.5mm. It required removing the drive caddy, and actually BENDING the chassis that it sits in to get the drive to connect correctly. It is in, but it was a scary and sweat causing deal. I initially completely disassembled the PS3 as I was swapping out the Bluray drive anyway due to a recent failure. The 40gb chassis is not removable. I had to literally stretch it carefully in order to get that extra 3mm of space so that I could slightly lift the front of the drive while sliding it in so that the connectors lined up.
It can be doe without disassembling the PS3, but it is sketchy to say the least. Fir now stick with the 750gb drives....

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thj_1980
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:46:22 PM

Not too sure what you are tyring to get at here, but the 40gb chassis can be taken off. Once you get the motherboard, get that off gently and nicnly without too much force. The you should have thge bottom of the chassis attached to the heat sink. Then, there are 6 screws you must unscrew and then viola, your chassis is seperated.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:28:23 PM

I think Shadow king has that one covered. i have heard of a couple of drives that were too big, so it's possible it may not fit. The suggestions I've seen have been to remove the caddy, and connect the drive without it. I imagine that you would need to shim the drive in place with something to prevent it from pulling against the SATA port connector.

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 5:00:27 PM

Not that this is too important for the time being but I think having the PS4 being compatible with multiple harddrives of different sizes is something Sony should consider. Not a tech guy so I don't know if this idea has complications that might arise.

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SvenMD
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:25:48 PM

I don't know Scorpio - that might be a little picky. I know you are limited to a certain size drie, but there were plenty of options in manufacturer and HDD size when I upgraded. I don't know how hard it is for Sony to do that, but I agree, options are nice.

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thj_1980
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 1:43:41 PM
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The sales would almost double is they include a special coloured ps3. I mean I know in europe and asia but come on north america!!!! i large plus would be ps2 backwards compatilibty.

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FxTales
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 2:54:13 PM
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At the time when I purchased my ps3 I departed with $1200 NZ. There was a little jab of "ugh" but then I got home and played Uncharted and was too damn happy to even care. Sony's given me the best years of my gaming life so far and I'm thinking they'll keep doing that for a while.

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tanner1
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:30:56 PM
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If L.G have their way there will be no more Ps3 sales. I do hope its just some stupid publicity stunt on their behalf?
You expect curruption from M$ camp not Sony's.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 3:38:58 PM

It's a stupid stunt on LGs part, they're trying to put pressure on Sony over Sony's case against LG about cell phone patents.

The trouble for LG is that they already granted Sony a license to use any and all essential BluRay patents in BluRay players by virtue of their membership of the BDA. The BluRay Disc association exists to manage the cross licensing required to make a BluRay player. The licensing terms that all members agree to when joining the BDA are clear and allow members to make BluRay players without fear of this kind of stupid litigation. What's almost non-sensical is that Sony was one of the two main forces behind BluRay and did most of the R&D and all the heavy lifting. Without that, the patents that LG are using for this stunt would be valueless pieces of paper. LG is trying to box above it's weight, and will likely lose. However this will almost certainly be settled out of court and we'll never know the details. In the mean time, Sony will ship PS3s through a different point of entry into the European market since the court ruling LG won only applies in the Netherlands (and even then is a temporary order lasting only 10 days).

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thj_1980
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:23:16 PM

what did LG do? anyoen wanna fill me in?

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:06:13 PM

Sony sued LG in the US because they say LG infringed on some Cell phone technology patents. LG retaliated by filing a lawsuit against Sony claiming that Sony infringed LGs BluRay patents in the PS3. There is a double irony since Sony all but invented BluRay, and LG is a major member of the BluRay Disc Association, the industry body that all BluRay device makers belong to that coordinates and facilitates the cross licensing of all the patents involved. Sony is licensed to use the patents, so there is no infringement. However it will take time in court to prove that, and in the mean time LG has filed to block the shipment of PS3s. So far, the only court to agree with LG's request is in the Netherlands.

But the original case comes back to LG cellphones and their alleged infringement on Sony's patents. LG is simply upping the ante to put pressure on Sony to settle.

It's all a piece of industrial political theater.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:30:35 PM

Doesn't surprise me that the court came to such a ruling in the Netherlands. I do some business there and I gotta say, some of those people are out of their minds.

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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:23:30 PM
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sony has done a good job of turnng it around. i will be absolutely thrilled when the ps3 overtakes the 360 in sales if it happens. back when the ps3 dropped to $299, and won that month i was convinced that the ps3 would overtake the 360 pretty soon. apparently, the 360 winning na and the uk is enough to keep the world in check.

sony needs to do a better job in na. the 360 has really taken off since the 360 squat. the 360 is currently outselling the ps3 in na by almost a 2:1 margin in na. that gap keeps widening. don't dismiss kinect either becuase over half of the 360's current sales are 360/kinect bundles.

i would love to hear a serious discussiion of why the ps3 has slumped so much in na, and why it's always last in sales. the price has dropped, and the content is there. itt even has a blu ray player built in. psn is free. i just don't get it.





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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:51:21 PM

Because PS3s don't break and require a replacement?

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DirtySkillzHD
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:23:58 PM
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I said i made alot because you can getstuff from the uk or you just like switching it up and get tired of having the same id for four years -_-

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 4:55:05 PM

Sony only has 3 regions (perhaps 4) that count for PSN availability, so that accounts for 3 of your accounts. Most people do not flip their account on a weekly basis because they...well you know... collect trophies and stuff. In other words, you're not typical. Not sure why you flip accounts so frequently, I have to admit the only reason I can think of is someone likes trolling.

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thj_1980
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:25:18 PM
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According to www.wikipedia.org

WII: 84 million
XBOX 360: 50 million
PLAYSTATION 3: 48 million

so whos's right? i hope wikipedia is. we are only 2 million behind.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 7:28:35 PM

Highlander already explained why the number is lower than 48 million. They are using Q2 2010 numbers for some odd reason. The actual number is closer to 48 million.

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:08:08 PM

Official Sony numbers for PS3s sold as at December 31 2010 - 47.9 million units globally.

Since we're in March now, there have been two months of additional sales, and in that time Sony has sold at least two million units meaning that when Sony next reports their numbers at the end of March, the total number of PS3s sold globally should be more than 50 million.

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thj_1980
Saturday, March 05, 2011 @ 6:59:36 PM

I hope we are over 50 million.

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RadioHeader
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 6:34:25 PM
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I fear M$ have assured their dominance here in England. Their latest diskinect ads are simply unbeatable. I'm just gonna come right out and say it; They're advertising diskinect on tubs of butter. The devious bastards! Everyone loves butter!!

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Highlander
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 11:09:51 PM

On the other hand, one has to wonder whether they are simply betraying their desperation to bolster a notional numerical superiority, when the numbers behind the headline unit sales show the 360 market to be far softer than Microsoft would ever acknowledge.

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AnonWTF
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 8:22:51 PM
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They are closing the gap. I'm pretty sure ps3 will probably beat xbox 360 in overall sales or at least come close to it. I don't know if either of them will catch up to the wii though...

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spiderboi
Thursday, March 03, 2011 @ 9:21:57 PM
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Ben, is that for any one particular region's PSN registrants, or for all? If so, the minimum safe assumption would be to divide it per number of regions there are (R1 R2 R3 R4, not sure if there's an R5). Coz makes sense to have an account on each region for DLC or PSN store access.

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___________
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 2:17:14 AM
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wonder how many of those are still connected to PSN, and how many of those are duplicate accounts.
ive got 12, a few for work, a few for personal, and a few just so i can access different PSN stores.
wish sony would hurry up and update their servers though!
every time i download a demo off PSN it takes me over 6 hours!
i downloaded just cause 2 today which was 4 freaking GBs, roughly 2 freaking GBs larger then even the largest PSN demo.
in a.
wait for it.
HUNDRED & TWENTY MINUTES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how can downloading a 4GB game take 120 minutes, when downloading a 2GB game take over 6 hours?
honestly, downloading things off another source with a dial up connection would be faster, then off PSN with cable!


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Highlander
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 3:04:13 AM

It's called the Internet. Not all the content servers are in the same location or on the same network trunk. So the download from one will be different from the download from another based on the routing, intermediate traffic, traffic shaping by any intermediate ISPs, and of course the specific load at the time you download.

But then again, you probably already know that...

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___________
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 8:58:04 AM

yes, but by that much!?
no matter which site i go to download something i normally get at least 1mb/s off PSN i never get even near that!
only took me 12 minutes to download the PC crysis 2 demo!
should download the ps3 demo once its out to compare them, 50 bucks says it will take at least 20 times longer!
even downloading apps of the apps store, 400+MB games download in a matter of minutes!

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Highlander
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 11:08:19 AM

I don't know. I do know that when I had DSL, my PSN downloads pegged the bandwidth at the maximum. Now I have cable and about 5 times the bandwidth with the cable companies 'boost' feature, small downloads happen in seconds, but multi-GB ones simply start really fast and then settle into downloading at about 95% of the available bandwidth.

I understand that my experience doesn't nullify yours, and that we probably hit different regional servers considering our different geographic locations. I do think though that the differnce between your downlaod performance and mine, excluding the influence of the actual ISP connection speed we each have, comes down to regional infrastructure and local internet traffic at the time.

I have seem many instances where people in my local area or other near by cities and states have complained about PSN speed, and yet at the same time there are a greater number of users replying to those people saying that they never have a problem and downloads are lightning fast.

Any time you have that kind of variability in experience you have to start looking at local configuration, ISP performance, routing, the local traffic at the time, the Internet traffic at the time, and a whole host of other factors.

But honestly if everyone said they have a problem, you would look at Sony and the PSN servers, but when there are two, three or more people saying their performance is great for every one that says it's not, you can't blame Sony and PSN, you have to look at the infrastructure between Sony and the user having the problem.

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Isamisis
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 10:58:11 AM

Your DL issue is YOUR issue. I can DL 4GB from PSN in 30 minutes. If it takes you 4 hrs then ur home network needs an upgraded router or ur ISP limits bandwidth to gaming apps like the PS3 & X360. Fix ur problems first b4 blaming everything else.

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Excelsior1
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 6:56:47 AM
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@highlander

whatever reason it is it appears to be working. sony's marketshare has absolutely been decimatated this generation. it pains me to say it, but ms has the hardcore gamers now.

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Highlander
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 11:01:16 AM

I don't think MicroSoft has the hardcore gamers, I think MiroSoft has the hardcore shooter fans. there is a huge difference. If Microsoft had hardcore gamers, Alan wake would have sold decently instead of falling flat.

I also have to say that the market distribution for MicroSoft & Sony is very interesting. MicroSoft is extremely dominant in English speaking markets. In other markets, Sony is much stronger, and of course we know about Japan. unless you're saying that hardcore gamers only speak English, I think you have to acknowledge that Microsoft and the Xbox has largely been a US phenomenon, and has been fueled by Halo, Halo clones and other multi-player online FPS games. That is a very narrow niche to base your core market in.

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xnonsuchx
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 5:15:08 PM
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BTW, Joystiq has updated their story w/ the corrected 47.9 million (through Q3 2010, since Q4 2010 numbers aren't official yet).

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Lairfan
Friday, March 04, 2011 @ 7:44:55 PM
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I find it funny that the 360 has only one big exclusive coming out this year (Gears of War 3), compared to what seems like dozens from Sony, and it'll probably still sell better in North America (read: the US) than the PS3. I have absolutely no evidence to back that up, but it'll probably happen based on the past 2 years of sales. There are way too many sheep in America these days; sadly, a couple of those sheep are people I call friends. *sigh*

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