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Is Anyone Anywhere Ready For The PlayStation 4?

You know, maybe we've just forgotten: it's 2011. In looking at the history of this industry, especially the history of the PlayStation brand, shouldn't we be anticipating the fourth console...like, now?

We're only months away from the four and a half year mark in regards to the PS3. Looking back at the original PlayStation, which launched in 1995, going four and a half years would put us in the middle of 1999...a mere 15 months (or so) away from the release of the PS2 in 2000. It was a bit longer between the PS2 and PS3 - the PS3 launched in late 2006 - but let's not forget that we'd be hearing news and rumors for well over a year before the machine actually arrived. And thus far, we've heard next to nothing about a fourth PlayStation. So what's the deal? Why isn't everyone everywhere clamoring for information? Where are the headlines?

Well, it's probably because nobody wants it right now. These years seem to have gone by faster than ever before, and Sony has only recently started to look at the PS3 as a profit-turner. Furthermore, most developers are saying the same thing- "hell no, I don't want the PS4; the PS3 still poses plenty of challenges and it's still plenty expensive to make games for it!" Before, when Sony would say a games machine would be around for 10 years (as was the case with the PS2), that didn't mean they wouldn't release a new console in that time frame. But this generation, doesn't it seem like just about everyone - gamers and game makers alike - would be perfectly happy if we didn't see another PlayStation for a good three or four years? It feels like the general consensus.

Personally, I distinctly remember really looking forward to the PS2, and actually sorta getting tired of the first PlayStation. But really, with the PS3, I feel plenty satisfied, and I'm convinced developers can indeed do more. Besides, I get the sneaking suspicion that the PS4 will be extraordinarily different...so different, in fact, that it'll be unrecognizable to those who grew up during the dawn of gaming.

Tags: sony, ps3, playstation 3, ps4, playstation 4

3/6/2011 10:16:16 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (130 posts)

Jawknee
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:38:20 PM
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I can wait.

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maxpontiac
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:02:48 AM

To be honest Jawknee, The PS4 can stay away for another few years. I still see the PS3 as a viable platform, and hardware that very few have even mastered.

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Cavan1
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:30:34 AM

i think the difference between the ps3 and the first 2 ps's, is upgradeability. With these consoles being online, they can be made better over time - off the top of my head, Home, Dynamic themes, bbciplayer, blu ray 2.0, 3d, movement controls.

Where as the ps1 and ps2 are the same today as they was the day they released - the ps3 is alot different now than it was when released. all these things give the playstation extra legs, plus the recession didnt help.

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AshT
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:03:46 PM

dont want my ps4 before 2015

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:02:03 PM

I think that the recession extended the life of current consoles by a year or so. Where we saw the PS3 arrive6 years into the PS2's life, we may see the PS4 arriving 7 years into the PS3s life.

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telly
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:08:34 AM

There's a time in every console's life when it becomes clear that developers are being constrained by the technology. Those latter-day PS1 and PS2 games clearly showed the limits of the technology being used to develop them. It became easy to envision the next steps -- what the next consoles would be able to do with these ideas. I don't feel that way even a little bit with PS3. The graphics for the top games are utterly spectacular and show no sign of age. Why rush to the next thing when we clearly haven't hit the ceiling yet? I'm so excited to see what guys like Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Rockstar, Kojima Studios, etc. can do with the technology now that they're very familiar with it all. What a great time to be a gamer.

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matt99
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:39:26 PM
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Well I hope they're working on the PS4, but as long as there's great games on the way for the PS3 I'm fine with waiting. Hell I'm not even waiting I'm just enjoying some great gaming!

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Ignitus
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:40:02 PM
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I dont' think so. The PS3 just recently began gaining steam.
Stretch it and then release an affordable (not $600.00 again)PS4.

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:40:13 PM
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hell no i am not ready for a PS4

i still have yet to buy a bunch of games that i haven't played yet.... plus there are even more coming out!

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shadowscorpio
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:41:39 PM

Heck some of us still have a backlog of PS2 games to play. I still have to get to Persona 4 myself but its a good thing that HD remakes of some PS2 game be coming to the PS3.

So yes I can wait as well. We still have to consider the fact that the beginning of this gen started out significantly different than the previous ones.

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Godslim
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 5:10:35 AM

so true man im not ready for it yet another 2 years and maybe
but i still have a load of games to play and dont feel the tech is even near outdated yet

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 5:31:25 AM

Ha, yes i have plenty of PS2 games i still have to play, luckily gor me i still have my PS2 compatible PS3 :D

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Temjin001
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:42:32 PM
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I'm always a sucker for new hardware but this gen does feel different to me. I think one reason for that is because how high quality the average game looks and feels these days. Our olde' games of yore' had crude looking edges and plenty of visual deficiencies reminding me that I AM playing a video game on limited resources. But now I play games like Killzone 3 and I'm constantly amazed by how great it is.

BTW: the alleged "self appointed gurus of game development" (even though they engineer proprietary hardware capturing technology and have business partners like Nintendo, Criterion and more while also being appointed by CvG to cover all of their neat'o stuff through their site) , The Digital Foundry, has scored an interview with GG revealing all kinds of juicy bits that guys like me go nuts over. Simply put, KZ3 just couldn't happen on any other hardware--as if there was ever any doubt.

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Shams
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 7:58:37 AM

Thanks, Sensei Temjin. That was a great read. Basically, what I got from the DF/GG interview is switching QAA from the RSX to MLAA on 5 SPUs not only provided sharper and cleaner visuals, but also significantly freed up resources allowing better draw distance, culling, texture resolution and detail, smoother frame rate, and much improved response time (116ms compared to 150-200ms of KZ2), with the only minus being some line crawl on thin and distant straight lines in industrial areas.
Also, the same advances in tech that have allowed 3D directly helped with the implementations of split-screen.
And the curious use of Brink video encoding (which is why KZ3 is on a dual layered bluray 42gigs up from the 12gigs that KZ2 required) allowed quicker loading of larger levels and assets).

Aside from the phenomenal visuals (that are darn near next-gen many times), I was also blown away by the intensity of the sound. The depth of the bass, the frenetic number of layered sound effects, and riveting sound track kicked up the immersion additional notches, ensuring that the senses are bombarded at all times, which made occasional cutoff easily forgivable.

The game truly is amazing on so many levels, and how GG pushed it out in two years is really a mind-blowing feat, even with the 5 years invested in KZ2.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 10:32:52 AM

Nice, using the resources of the Cell freeing up the GPU to do GPU work...sometimes I think we all forget that the PS3 was originally not going to have a GPU and everything would have been done on the Cell BE's SPUs.

I remember way back when CellBE was first announced and then it was announced as the CPU for the PS3. Back then most tech journalists dismissed the SPUs because they didn't understand the point of them. Those same journalists belittled the local store on the SPU and the speed of the internal bus that connects the SPUs. At the time a very few of us tagged the SPUs as something special. It's so nice to see that coming to full fruition now with the SPUs on the CellBE being seen as the real strength of the CellBE.

For those that don't know the architectures or remember the detail. Here are two things to chew on for you.

The configuration of the CellBE with the 8 SPUs is remarkably similar to the Cray YMP super computers. For those that don't know, Cray super computers were the be all and end all of super computers back in the day. The Cray super computers used a single service processor and multiple vector processors that could work individually, or together in whatever combination was needed. The SPUs in the Cell are essentially vector processing units, and just like the vector units that made up the Cray, they have local storage and hugely fast bus connecting them. The PPC core on the Cell BE mirrors the service or IO processor in the Cray. The SPUs can work individually or in concert, again just like the Cray. In fact an 8 SPU CellBE matches the configuration of an 8 vector unit Cray, but has a higher clock speed than the Cray could achieve. Considering that the CellBE has a theoretical maximum performance well in excess of 200GFlops, and the architecture reflects the supercomputer designs of only a few years prior to the Cell's own launch, you can see why the Cell BE and PS3 were billed as super computers for the home.

The other thing to consider is that the PS2 CPU architecture was a a single general purpose core with two vector processor units. Operating at a far lower clock speed than the PS3 of course, the original PS2 CPU architecture was actually very like that of the Cell BE. The vector units could be used individually, or together, and the system could run separate instructions on all the execution units (would be called 'cores' today) simultaneously. The PS2's CPU was essentially a 3 core system consisting of a single general purpose core and two co-processor cores. When PS3 first launched, I wondered whether PS2 programmers might have an advantage since they were used to using a multi-core architecture already. Considering the incredible results from Sony's in-house dev teams, I would say that was indeed the case.

It's been an interesting 6 years or so since CellBE was originally announced.

</geek>

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Temjin001
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:48:00 AM

I liked this particular line, "Tasks that prove troublesome or computationally expensive for the graphics chip can be offloaded to Cell's phenomenally swift SPUs, and the precision of those effects is often superior too as the SPUs are capable of handling more complex code than a GPU's shader cores."

I never knew the SPU was actually better at doing shaders than the shader cores directly on the GPU could do them. THat's intense.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:49:35 AM

@ Highlander

You may label yourself a geek but to alot of people who don't have the knowledge you do still think that this is interesting stuff.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:42:51 PM
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I kinda am and I'm kinda not. I am because PS4 means better hardware, software, better graphics, games, and hopefully a better UI and online service. But, the other part of me is content with what I have, and imo, one of the best consoles I've ever owned: the PS3. So yeah, I guess I can wait.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:45:36 PM
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I grimace when I see anything about a PS4. It just doesn't need to happen yet. The 360 is tapped though, so maybe that needs a new iteration. But I'm with most of you firmly in the camp where a PS4 isn't needed, wanted, or should worthy of excitement over for at least 3 more years.

There is tons more left to be done and third party devs have only begun to understand the thing. It would be counter-productive to start the hype machine now.

Edit: And I think the NGP needs a shot at success first. That thing is gonna be a huge investment for Sony and they can't get distracted now.

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Cesar_ser_4
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:14:50 PM

which is why you should buy one the instant it comes out for sale... on another note, if good ol mikey went ahead and did another xbox iteration with better graphics and what not that would make sony release their next console too, which in turn would be like shooting themselves on their foot because they just released "the new microsoft 360 2.0 now with wifi! edition". but lets just hope they at least come up with a proprietary media format that can fit a decent length videogame that would otherwise just fit in like a third of a bluray...

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cLoudou
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:55:01 PM
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Nope still to early for the PS4 but I think it depends on the competition. I can see the PS4 releasing a year or two after the competition.

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The Doom
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:49:17 PM

We might be seeing it soon, though. With all the PS3 hacking and the potential loss in software sales, it might push Sony to do a hardware revision via the PS4

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BikerSaint
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 10:59:37 PM
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I'll say no.

Hell, a lot of developer's are just starting to hit their stride figuring out the PS3's mechanic's & it's full potential.
And I'm looking forward to quite a few more awesome games to be announced.

IMO, a PS4 certainly isn't needed yet for at least another 2 years.
But I also believe that Sony hasn't been sitting on their laurels either. I'm sure Sony's has a whole extra R&D team that's been planning the PS4 as soon as the PS3 released.
And I'm also sure this one will now be a hell of a lot more hacker proof too. Can you say Fort Knox??

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Cesar_ser_4
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:06:10 PM
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ben its articles with such titles that makes consolemakers put it in high gear to make the next gen console. which really worries me, im not ready for a next gen console, although a ps3.5 "now with full 1080p!" would be nice. I mean how can you top an already great machine?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:58:16 PM

I can promise you this article won't impact Sony's plans for a PS4 one iota. :)

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:09:20 PM
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Better games.

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Cesar_ser_4
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:18:48 PM

seriously? current games arent enough for you?

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kraygen
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:12:24 PM
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Not even slightly interested in a ps4 right now. My ps3 continues to do more and more all the time. If my system is growing, why replace it. You only want to replace it once it can't compete and right now it's blowing everyone else out of the water.

There are more and more great games coming out for ps3, once the devs aren't sure what else they can do, then we'll need a ps4, but that shouldn't be for at least 4 years.

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th3_bLy
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:14:33 PM
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Only if it plays ALL playstation games. Even then, I can wait.

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Cesar_ser_4
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:20:11 PM
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only until third party devs start using EVERY SINGLE of the ps3s' SPUs can sony release another ps3 console

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Nlayer
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:31:16 PM
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I'm not even ready for the PS3! I still have a lot of PS1 and PS2 games to find and play through.

I enjoy my PS3, but there's so many games coming out! Good games too! (Can't really complain about that though, haha).

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frylock25
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:32:45 PM
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i think another good question is when will microsoft put out a better console. i think sony is still more years away than any one else. ps3 just started to get really good. no reason to upgrade or even talk about it when this system is just hitting its peak. buying a system that is future proof means not needing a new system for many many years.

took sony to long and to much money to get where they are now just to move on to something else. that is not their style.

ps4 can wait 5 years as far as i am concerned

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t4_robz
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 6:40:18 AM

thats exactly what i was thinking, if they were to release a PS4 what kind of things would they add to it that cant already be added on PS3 with a simple update or by being developed into the games? and yeah if xbox were to come out with a new system that featured a free online as well as a premium online which you would pay extra for and a system that wasn't mechanically full of flaws and bugs or just built poorly and cheaply then yeah i could see alot more people purchasing xbox's... but yeah like everyone else i have too much money invested in my PS3, games and accesories and besides im still very satisfied with the games that sony it producing, i could wait a few more years for sure!

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swapnilgyani
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:33:17 PM
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PlayStation 4?

I'd probably buy it day 1, but only if that day is at least 4 years from now!

Just look at what we have for the PlayStation 3. Almost every new game that comes out from a major studio claims that they have pushed the system to its limits, but no one quite seems to be sure what those limits are, or if they have been pushed far enough.

PlayStatoin 2 started to get a bit boring when it was clear that there was no further innovation in terms of what could happen on the system. Most of the games were sequels, or had a similar gameplay mechanic to an existing title. That's clearly not the case with the PS3.

And then there's PSP2. Sony would not want its limelight to be shared with a new console. I think we will see at least 2-3 years of PSP2 enjoying the market as a flagship product before the PS4 takes charge.

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sawao_yamanaka
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:35:40 PM
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I feel good with the ps3 right now. I'm not expecting a PS4 just yet. It is way too soon considering the ps3 is picking up steam.

Off topic have you guys heard that the ps3 has sold 47 million?

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Qubex
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:17:23 AM

Have to say Sweedie... I am a bit of a tech whore as well. Whilst I feel that we are only seeing what the PS3 can really do now, we have already gotten close to its limits. Teams at Guerilla, Santa Monica and Naughty Dog are already stretching its legs very wide indeed.

3D is a good example of where Sony are trying to use clever programming tricks to try and "bolt" on this effect on aging hardware, reality is we need a PS4 with x4 to x6 graphic horse power and at least x4 processing power to have a generation of hardware that will last the next 10 years. The PS3 is not doing a bad job, but I think developers who already know the architecture are being squeezed somewhat.

From a visualisation perspective, the two that stand out the most for me are engines that run at sub 720p, this shouldn't be the case, however we have seen with many multi-plats that developers have been forced to do this in order to get engines to run at a frame rate they feel happy with. Let's not mention the further downgrading of resolution when considering real stereoscopic 3D itself.

The second pet peeve are the terribly rendered shadow casting that effects consoles more than the PC. If you notice, many engines just cannot render decent shadows without them being blocky or low res. This is a trick they use to keep frame rates stable, by rendering shadows as a shadow map rather than actual shadows cast per light ray.

There is still a little more the PS3 can give, but I think the limits are close now. We should see the pinnacle of the console at work when Unchartered 3 is released. It will be mighty impressive, but for me that is peak...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Fane1024
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:32:11 AM

Ray tracing FTW.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:55:02 AM

PS4 with the equivalent of a quad CellBE incorporating all the design enhancements to the SPU's floating point hardware that have happened in the last 5 years. Pair that with a modern nVidia GPU and throw in a couple of GB of system RAM and a couple of GB of Video RAM. Stick to the current model of game progeamming and GPU use....

Or...

Alternately two quad CellBE equivalent's with the additional enhancements to the floating point units, add a basic 1080p capable GPU with 4GBof system RAM and 1GB of video RAM, and do everything using ray tracing.

Either way, stick to an architecture that existing PS3 developers are familiar with.

But even if Nintendo does a refresh, they won't exceed the capability of the current PS3, and whatever Microsoft does with their next console, the only major improvement will be sufficient hardware to render all games at 1080p without scaling. However for most people 1080p is still a goal to be reached on their TV at home, and although there is a difference from 720p, the difference going from 720p to 1080p is not the same as the difference going from SDTV to HDTV modes.

As long as there is still life left in the PS3's hardware, I don't think we'll see a possible PS4. When it eventually becomes generally accepted that the PS3 hardware is tapped out, and we see only the very best dev teams still capable of making improvements, that's when we'll see the PS4 being discussed. Frankly, I don't expect that will happen until 2012, because developers are still saying that they are making major improvements in the upcoming wave of games. Once that wave is complete, let's hear what they have to say, but until devs start running into the wall on improving PS3 games, Sony will sit tight.

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Vitron
Sunday, March 06, 2011 @ 11:55:01 PM
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Really, I don't want it yet.

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Qubex
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:35:25 PM

Fair enough!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Fane1024
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:00:43 AM
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I'm not jonesing yet, though I do think newer tech will allow game engines to improve significantly. The PS3 is powerful and still has room for improvement, but a generational leap allows for things which are now possible to become routine and things which are now essentially impossible to become possible.

For instance, all PS4 games should render in native 1080p at 60 fps (or at least 30 if in 3D), rather than sacrificing pixel count for effects.

I would guess we'll get our first look at the PS4 next year, with a fall 2013 / spring 2014 launch (if the world doesn't end, of course).

The only reason I'd want it sooner rather than later is that I'd rather buy a PS4 instead of another PS3 should my 60 gigger go tits-up again.

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Fane1024
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:11:28 AM

Oh and maybe Sony will finally fix the effing browser for the PS4.

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NonProphet
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:02:17 AM
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One of the things that I love about video games is that I can basically see the full scope of the medium's evolution within my lifetime. You can't say that about too many entertainment mediums. So I'm always excited to see what the future will bring. After watching the recent Battlefield 3 video that was rendered with a highend PC, I'm starting to get excited for the next generation of Sony's state of the art console.

Its been almost five years since the PS3's release, which is an eternity in technology, so whenever the PS4 drops, its going to be incredible, and yes, I'm very excited.

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xnonsuchx
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:16:24 AM
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If PS4 development would be similar enough to PS3 (if it is multi-core Power-based w/ upgraded SPEs, as some rumors say), then it wouldn't be too much of a change for developers...mainly just a new GPU would, but that wouldn't necessarily make things harder. Similar architecture, but higher performance also wouldn't necessarily increase manufacturing costs much and a PS4 could be introduced for only $400 or so. I wouldn't expect to hear much about a PS4 from Sony until mid-2012 or so, though.

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DazeOfWar
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:22:29 AM
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I'm happy with my PS3 right now and for quite a while longer. I have so many games I'm still trying to get through. When the NGP comes out that'll tide me over for a new console.

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A2K78
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:29:46 AM
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"Sony has only recently started to look at the PS3 as a profit-turner."

The PS3 still have a good way to go before it can actually break even and turn profit. Other than that only reason why Sony turned was due to shrinking manufacturing cost and the bulk of sofware which was sold to cushion the loss they've.

In the end Sony is still taking a hit from from PS3, but lesser one due to the shrinking cost of manufacturing the PS3.

As for the PS3 or next Xbox, it doesn't make any sense economically for Microsoft or Sony release a new console anytime because 1)both still are taking hit from the current console and 2) for developers its getting more and more expensive for them to make games, this when games are moving in $70-80 million dollar production area.

Right on the benefactor is PC gaming given the fact it has now moved 5 years ahead due to shader model 5 and DX11 technologies.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:51:56 AM

So, it doesn't matter how many times people show up to prove you wrong...you just keep saying the exact same thing.

Amazing.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:29:28 AM

Never before have I encountered someone who has so much to say but says nothing at all. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? I know we sure get tired of pointing it out.

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kraygen
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 3:00:22 AM

"The PS3 still have a good way to go before it can actually break even and turn profit."

So do you enjoy making crap up to try and get attention or are you really just that delusional?

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Eld
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:37:47 AM
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I'm happy with ps3 and I can wait, but the main question here is do we want a repeat of ps3 launch?

I can wait for ps4, but I would like it to be released around the same time as xbox so ps4 software development doesn't lag behind. Even when ps4 gets released we'll likely wait ~2 years before we see some really great games. Also I agree ps4 will likely be very different. Consoles are more like entertainment centers these days.

I still think crumbling RPG genre, especially JRPGs have a lot to thank to ps3 delay and early failures of ps3, but I'm not sure I can blame Sony. It was just a bad timing.

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Geobaldi
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:39:24 AM
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I'm happy with the PS3. Though I don't use it very often since the majority of my gaming is the PC variety. But I'll still get a PS4 whenever it releases. Sony has provided many years of gaming goodness and I can only assume that will continue.

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SmokeyPSD
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:40:13 AM
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F no, still building my collection slowly for this directions. Hardly have ANY worthwhile RPGS for instance.

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GuernicaReborn
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:51:20 AM

Damn you auto correct?

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bigrailer19
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:42:55 AM
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I can wait. Every year I see games looking better and better. There's always been a plateau type affect with other consoles it seems, besides GOW2 on the PS2. That game looked incredible on that machine. That plateau affect, though is obviously not the case with the PS3. When I hear ND say "their is nothing left we can do with this machine" is the day I say bring on the PS4. I don't care if other developers can't get more, ND is constantly making strides and year after year and product after product that really shows their is tons of life left in the PS3. And it's why I use them as an example. They are pushing the industry, among other developers of course.

Anyways I read an article the other day stating that the PS3 graphics were dated. I think it was im relation to A new unreal engine maybe. Couldn't help but laugh at that... Some people... I don't wanna get into it too deep, but theirs so many things wrong with that statement I wouldn't know where to start.

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Riku994
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:43:54 AM
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Ben knows something guys... He's keeping a secret from us, and that last line kinda made me think that MAYBE the PS4 has something to do with what he's hiding..

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:51:00 AM

HA.

Nope.

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gumbi
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:46:38 AM
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Wow. I can definiteley wait. Still got a whole lotta ps3'ing left to do.

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GuernicaReborn
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:57:45 AM
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At this point, it feels as if the only thing that will make Sony seriously consider a PS4 is if their competition goes at it first.

PS3 is still gaining steam and has been on a roll the past three years with excellent software to compliment their excellent hardware. We don't need no stinkin PS4.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:04:59 AM
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Mirroring the thoughts of everyone else: The PS4 can wait. Don't get me wrong, I'd be excited to see what it's capable of, but with the slew of exclusives hitting this year, as well as a ton of must-have games that have already been released to catch up on, I think I'd be alright if there wasn't a single new game released next year.

The PS4 would probably take a couple of years to start to fire on all cylinders, so we could spend those playing catch-up on the PS3. But the truth is that the system still has potential, and that is aided by the PSMove. I mean, Uncharted 2 is still damn close to the pinnacle of what we've yet seen with the system, and that was released a year and a half ago. Until the majority of games reach that level of production value, and the rare game climbs above it, then we can usher in the next generation.

I'm ready for it, but there is no way in hell that I want it. Besides, we've only had one GTA game! We need at least two damnit!
Peace.

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CHAOS THEORY X
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:30:06 AM
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Im content.. Plus the longer we wait the greater the new one will be. The thing is, what about the Microsoft? Are they coming down with a new system? If so, Sony might need to make one to stay competitive.

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___________
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:35:40 AM
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id like to see a new gen of consoles release tomorrow.
but no one is ready for it yet.
were in a recession, so people are not exactly sitting on piles of cash, the unemployment rate is the highest its been in a long time!
then theres the developers, there still strugling to get to grips with the ps3, so chucking a ps4 at them is just going to make things worse!
adding to that, engines are just starting to catch up now so if the ps4 released tomorrow we would have a repeat of the ps3 and see games not reaching their potential till 4 years time because thats how long it would take to ready a new engine designed for the new systems, instead of just a old tweaked ps3 engine.
then theres sony themselves, they have lost allot of customers in their piss poor attitude and customer service this gen.
i rang them god knows how many times with my ps1 and 2 and never got off the phone disappointed or with a issue not resolved.
with the ps3 though, its quite the opposite!
only new console ill be surprised to not see release by next year is a new ninty console.
the wii has 2 attractions.
1 its motion controls.
2 its nostalgic games.
its motion controls have been made look out of date, so its only got its nostalgic games to save it.
more and more people are buying HD TVs for the first time, and seeing how ugly wii games look.
so im not sure if nostalgic games are going to be enough to convince people to buy a wii, or even keep their one, let alone buy new games for it!
the wii seriously needs a update!
i remember reading a article last night saying the new ninty consoles going to actually have a projector in it so you dont even need a TV.
i doubt it, too expensive and would cause allot of headaches to solve.
but they seriously need a upgrade, and im not so sure a wii HD is going to do it.
they need to do more then that, introduce something new to gather peoples attention.
be it a new type of motion controls, glasses free 3D, projector, whatever, they need something they can call their own.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:58:11 AM

Dude, Nintendo can't introduce glasses free 3D on a home console, you know that. for a home console, 3D happens at the display, which is the TV, so unless Nintendo manages to invent a fully color, HD and 3D holographic projection system in the next couple of years, they will be stuck with the same display devices as everyone else.

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___________
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:09:34 AM

that was the point, whats stopping them from delving into projector technology?
doubt that will happen, but anythings possible!

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Cavan1
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:31:34 AM

You should know better by now highlander than to reply to this pillock.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:38:19 AM

Indeed, I should know better, but we have so many newer users who don't know his pattern, that I almost feel obliged to reply to/correct some of his wilder posts.

for example, Nintendo might fit an LED projector into a home console (better have a wal to project on to, but the odds of them coming up with a viable full color, HD, fully 3D holographic projection system that can fit inside a Wii shaped box are essentially non existent. Much like the technology to project a color, HD hologram into thin air is essentially non-existent. I mean, should such technology exist, it would be a) expensive, b) prohibitively expensive, c) exclusive to the military, well resourced corporate buyers and the medical field, and d) we'd have heard of it bu now.

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THEVERDIN
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:37:25 AM
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What ever MS does it will only last for about 6 months, in the 360 launch the games really weren't that special, so I don't see Sony really having to rush to table with anything. Look how long the PS2 lasted. If Sony and Dev's support the PS3 like they did the PS2 all is well.

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Snaaaake
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:54:13 AM
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I'd say most wouldn't want it yet.
Easy to say, it's because the difference between PS2 and PS3 is like jumping from the 10th floor to the 50th floor at once.

There's so much left to do with it, and we can say the 360 is just Xbox 1.5 considering there's hardly anything new aside from more graphic power.

It's just an updated console, not upgraded.

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evilmunkie
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:01:51 AM
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Got to say I agree with the majority on this, not time just yet.

Ok, I have never read this anywhere before,I was thinking, and this will prob make everyone roll their eyes before I explain myself fully (especially with everything thats happened), but what if the next Playstations were like PCs? Put down your pitchforks for a second please. What I mean is what if Sony sold us the whole shebang that is the PS4. When 5-8 years go by after that and a PS5 comes out all you got to do is buy that machine's core and swap out (with the same ease as swaping a hard drive) the one you got on your PS4 turning it into a PS5 right in front of your eyes. That would be amazing, I would $#@*ing weep tears of joy if that were possible/ announced ever. People with no PS4 would pay more since they would buy a new machine, but the core alone would be less (as it should). I will most likey just weep from sorrow thanks to hackers making that seem like a stupid idea this generation, but a man can dream, can he not? Maybe construct it so the case can house two future Playstations (if it wouldn't impede on how powerful the systems would be) and after that its time for an all new system and repeat! That I think would make customers less hesitant to adopt a newer system if that could be done too, meaning more people picking up games come launch(s). Or just don't sell the core to the masses, ship your system to Sony, wait two weeks and then you get a suprise in the mail. Im sorry people, lost myself in my own perfect world thats in my head. A world where Playstations explode in the face of hackers when they screw with it, can I get a haleluyah (however its spelled)?

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Lawless SXE
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:38:08 AM

Hallelujah!

That'd be a cool idea, but I see a problem. That is that the computer core isn't really only one device. You've got the CellBE, and then the GPU on top of that, so they would have to be upgraded separately. And what happens if the console manufacturers decide to change their optical drives. I think the reason that most people go with consoles over computers is so that they don't have to continually be rebuilding their rig, or buying a new one, in order to play the latest games. That reason is second only to the fact that PS3 exclusives aren't available on PCs in my mind. It wouldn't be cost prohibitive, but it would probably be slightly daunting to most tech-know-nothings like myself.
Peace.

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evilmunkie
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:55:33 AM

Lawless, you call yourself a tech-know-nothing and talk to me about the Cell & GPUs? O_o I know theres alot of components, mostly because I managed to help in replacing my own system's drive when it gave out. I think if anyone can make that idea work and make it easy, thats Sony. I can say something like construct the architecture in a way that it would have ample space/connections to future proof the system and allow more powerful hardware be swaped in easily. Do I know how that would work? No way in hell. I like the way you think, I did not take into account how long blurays will last. I did read a article a long time ago that mentioned Pioneer was working on blurays with insane amounts of layers (found it, 16 layers with 400GB of space!). Since the article is from 2008, they either canned the project or figured it was too expensive to produce. Was kinda hoping those things would run on my 'dream engine' hah. Thats what I don't like about PCs, people got different rigs, add different ISPs and some have the upper hand against others before you factor in skill, another factor is how much cash one is willing to go through. Before hacks consoles had the most level playing field in my eyes, thats just my opinion never gamed much on a mouse and keyboard. Rig customization is why I said I would like the core bundled in one package, so everyone that gets one doesn't screw with it and no one gets a technical advantage over another. 'tech-know-nothings like myself.' sorry, still smiling at that after all this typing.

**Back on topic** SO........who is ready to see how much a PS4 game cost to buy? I hope Activision doesn't go to that meeting.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:58:43 AM

I'm with lawless on this one. The biggest attraction of home consoles is that they are a fixed platform, so no technical knowledge is required to buy or use one. Nor is there any market fragmentation because everyone with a PS3 can play Ps3 games. If you have a base system and multiple CPU/GPU upgrade packages, which one do game devs develop for? Which one do consumers buy? How does anyone know what the target platform is, when there are multiple options? It's better to keep the hardware platform unified and consistent.

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evilmunkie
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:00:49 AM

I think I see where the confusion from my comment is coming from, I was thinking only one set-up released per every new Playstation with a new one with the most current core sold with a case for late adopters. PS4 hardware would not read PS5 software (just like sticking a bluray in a PS1) just for the sole reason the player would not experience the game at its full potential. Where I think I need to be more clear is where I said "Maybe construct it so the case can house two future Playstations", I did not mean that as two simultaneously, but that it should have enough room/connections so that 2 future cores can be poped in when the PS5 and PS6 would be released without a problem. I tried to work that into my second post but don't think I explained myself fully there either. Hard drives would have a seperate side slot for HDD replacement/upgrade. To me its a pretty picture honestly, I can see how it can be seen as a hassle though. I would just flip out with joy if I could buy a component, slide out the PS3's guts, slide in the PS4 part, turn on my system and have a screen greet me with "Playstation 4" while hearing a choir of angels singing in the background. Can you imagine that scenario for yourself? Would you like it or hate it? Thats not possible with the PS3 (obviously), why I said that would be great for the PS4 and beyond. Don't think many people would want to keep the same case for that long, maybe thats just them mexican in me that wouldn't care one bit as long as it worked and just buying the part made it cheaper.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:18:07 PM

I can envision it, but I keep thinking it wouldn't be as simple as that. I'm not sure why. The reason that I label myself a tech-know-nothing is that, while I do have working knowledge of the components of computer systems, and try to keep up, in some fashion, with the latest new tech of the day, there is no way in hell that I would ever try to build my own computer.

Anyway, with a single platform, as you suggest, with every piece interchangeable with a single, simple swap, it wouldn't be too bad. At the same time, I'm kind of wondering what the point would be. How is that ultimately any different than bringing home a new system (unless you happen to like the exterior design of the old one and not the new one)?
Peace.

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evilmunkie
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 1:23:28 PM

Honestly when I first thought about it I was thinking of afew things. One was to have Sony worry less about a new case for every single new Playstation and spend more time thinking about the 'muscle' of the system.By focusing on this and making more of these 'cores' I would hope Playstations would become cheaper to make faster and therefore minimize the cost to make a new system for Sony. The price in cases would't go down much but with the heart of it all being made in larger quantities both the cores and the case+core set up should earn more revenue if we are to believe that making things in larger quantities makes it cheaper to make over time. Im sure these are the most expensive components so mass production of these parts should significantly drive costs down overall, and who would noyt want that? Other thsn the competition, its a win all around if done right. Then theres the launch of the PS3, it went with all the shortages and people selling them on ebay for insane prices. Ok, so the PS4 lands, worst case scenario it happens again. Years later PS5 comes out, people pre-order their cores (YES, I ment to say that) and Playstation doesn't have to make afew thousand complete systems, just more cores. I don't think shortages will be wiped out, thats unrealistic, but your going to get more people starting up Playstation 5/6s that way than trying to sell them all completely new systems. Since they will be paying a fair price for just the new part they swap out,if they got the case for the previous system, I would say many people would give it a try. Minimize cost by minimizing the amount of materials needed for a sale, without sacrificing any quality of course.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:23:50 AM
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I can see the Playstation 3 lasting at least another 3 years before the need for another console. I want at least one more Final Fantasy that is not a part of the XIII series; So FFXV. I reckon the next XBOX is on the horizon, we have a new PSP and DS on the way but nothing from microsoft. I reckon after Gears of War 3 (Which is not my cup of tea anyway..) there wont be much left in exclusives for the console.

Though i have to be honest, the PS3 line up this year is not stimulating. Not untill the end of the year with titles like Resistance 3, Uncharted 3 or Silent Hill: Downpour. But just think of 2012... Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Final Fantasy Versus XIII (It better be released next year...). That alone makes up for this drought in gaming this year.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:30:07 AM

Drought? Are you serious?

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:55:26 AM

Infamous 2 in June!

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kraygen
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 3:09:41 AM

Drought in gaming, granted there are not tons of exclusive releases any year, but in gaming?

LBp2, DS2, TW2, MvsC3, Tactics ogre, Lego SW clone wars, Hyperdimension, Bulletstorm, Kz3, DA2, Homefront, Crysis 2, Fear3, NFS shift2, Nascar 2011, tiger woods 12, WWe allstars, Armored core 5, motogp10/11, undergarden, from dust, gothic 4, alice madness returns, and ar tonelico.

That's something for everyone and all from the first 3 months of the year.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:32:47 AM

In all honesty none of them titles really interest me, Well i would like to play through Dead Space 2, But i'm not willing to pay full price for it (Student after all ^_^). If anything i'm more excited for the PSP, with the re-release of Final Fantasy IV: Complete Edition, The 3rd Birthday and Final Fantasy:Dissidia... 2. I havent touched my PSP since MGS: Peace Walker, but these 3 games all bursting out of a sudden is a joy.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:42:47 AM

Not looking forward to Valkyria Chronicles 3? What about Dark Souls? Skyrim? L.A. Noire? Arkham City? The Last Guardian? MGS: Rising? Yakuza 4? WKC2? What about Final Fantasy Type-0?

And that's just a fraction! A drought you say? It's raining more games than water (and that's saying something, considering it's rained here almost every day for the last month... and I'm heartily sick of it).

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:51:58 AM

White Knight Chornicles 2, if it is an improvement and comes with the 1st game. Then i may consider it. Yakuza is a game i have tried to like but i just can't. MGS: Rising i'm a bit hesitant about, My flatmate will be getting it no doubt so i'll play it first before i buy it on day one. As for FF:Type-0 i didn't know it was for this year, but if it is i'll certainly be getting it. But once again thats for PSP :P

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Lawless SXE
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:57:22 AM

Not sure on the date, but I thought I'd throw it in there anyway. :)

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 5:17:09 AM

Cool, well i'll keep an eye out for that. For now though i'm really excited about Final Fantasy IV on the PSP, it's one i have actually not got around to playing yet. With the Complete Edition you get Final Fantasy IV, The After Years sequel (previously on Wii and Mobile), now for the first time ever a 15 hour part which ties them both together. It seems like the perfect package.

I thought at first the sprites of the re-release would annoy me, but i picked up Final Fantasy 1 on the PSP which has the same looking sprites and it looks really good, So i can't wait for it.

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Beamboom
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:58:47 AM

... Not to mention Mass Effect 3, Bad Company 3, Saints Row 3... "Something for everybody" I'd say, and definitely one of the better years so far!

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FatherSun
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:31:15 AM

This drought you speak of is personal so I understand what you mean. I myself won't be getting every exclusive game but to me there is now drought in sight. Exclusives and a few multis are on my calendar.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:43:49 AM

Ulrima,

WKC2 does improve on the original in many ways, and include the original story (so it can be replayed if you want, or if someone never played the original, they can catch up on the story). It looks like there are some improvements to the online & questing bits. Most notable is that you apparently have the ability to take NPCs along on quests which removes a lot of the issue the game is currently faced with - lack of online players of your own level unless you have been playing since early 2010. The other big element is that there is now the ability of the player's Avatar to transform into a knight of some kind, but I am not sure if this is limited to the quests and online, or if it is part of the story.

There are graphical and other improvements too, and much of your online progress is carried over from the first game.

We don't have a date yet, and I've only been able to find hints of a western release with mention of WKC2 voice work by the voice actors that performed on the international version of WKC1. However, if you are having trouble getting into the first game, I would suggest awaiting the reviews from folks like Ben for a good overview of the game whenever it does arrive.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:05:46 AM

Fair enough if the games don't interest you buy you can't call that a drought. A drought means there is little to no games releasing in a period of time.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 12:51:34 AM

Exactly. Just because you don't want them...

Water, water, every where,
Nor any drop to drink.

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marcusfrommo
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 3:05:34 AM
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Me personally, ps4 is good and all, but i am sooo curious about the wii's new console. There releasing a new handheld this month with upcoming games that looks better than their current console games, which by the way, is saying something.

I'm thinking 2012 or 2013 it will be released. Cause they want everyone to purchase their handhelds i guess, i don't know. E3 in june! I almost can't wait.

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Wissam
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:17:50 AM
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No and no.

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SILVERAMMO
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 5:40:58 AM
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ps4..... real virtual reality

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Excelsior1
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 6:54:43 AM
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yeah, i kind of am ready for the ps4. new technology is always exciting, and i have not enjoyed watching sony going from 1st to last place this gen, i'm hoping ms sold its soul with kinect, and sony can pick off the hardcore gamers again.

it won't be easy, though. the live componet of ms will make it difficult.

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:05:54 AM
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The PS3 still has masses to give.

Why start are the beginning of a new development cycle when the current iteration isn't finished yet?

They'll be a new box b4 the new ps4, gauge timing in relation to ms.

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shadowscorpio
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:53:51 AM

I say let them bring a new "box". We don't know if most third parties are ever going to focus on exclusivity over multiplatform again, so MS releasing a new "box" would only hurt them and potentially help the PS3. Assuming that what ever they release is a better, more capable piece of hardware then that of the xbox 360.

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ace_boon_coon
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:21:37 AM
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I can wait also. The ps3 still feels new and fresh to me for some reason.

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airwedge1
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:43:15 AM
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Personally I think they shouldn't release a PS4, but more like a PS3.5. Keep everything exactly the same, but add faster / more CPUs, faster / more memory, and a faster disk drive. The ps3 games would be perfectly backward compatible as it is still running on the same architecture, and if a game designer really needs the extra power, put only compatible with ps3.5. There isn't anything drastic you can really add. I don't see super HD, next iteration of blu ray, or anything like that coming out in the next 5 years, and they just released the Move, so they only thing they could do with the next console is just add more power to it.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 8:54:13 AM
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I am not ready for a PS4 as the PS3 is kicking some serious A$$! I am always happy to see new technology. It would be great to see some information on the PS4. I saw a headline that Sony has halted development of the PS4. All I know is that when the PS4 is released I hope it's fully backwards compatible. Please make it so Sony!

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FatherSun
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:21:45 AM
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2012-2013, All hail the PS4! 2011 Long Live the PS3.

We are nowhere near a PS4 announcement unless legal battles drastically end in favor of Sonys opposition. Yes the PS3 has hit it's stride, but it has no yet peaked. People speak of how the tech has been fully utilized or tapped out. No developer has made this statement. Just because they are using all the SPUs does not mean that there are using them in an OPTIMUM capacity. They are still in discovery mode. There are more tricks to be found in the architecture. The PS2 and PSP did not show their greatest capabilities till years after they were created. The PS3 will be the same and will surpass the time frame in which these milestones occurred.

One more very important detail to me is this. Lets say that the technology is used to the fullest, that does not mean that any given game will be great. There are so many factors to a great game. How about a game that not only looks graphically phenomenal but immerses the player in unique ways and an actual story that just hooks into the soul. A game that makes you feel. That makes you truly think and question. Yes there are games that have accomplished these feats but there is so much more to be explored. Lately it seems like most are concerned with how pretty something looks while substance goes out the window. Yes, I want it all. Spectacular visuals, fantastic storytelling and perfect game play. No matter how many advances are made with technology it is the story and presentation that will make all that come together. I have yet to feel that my ideal game is any where near being created. maybe the PS4 will make this a reality. I will wait patiently. For now all I can say is that I Love my PS3.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:53:47 AM

Sony has NGP on their plate this year, and through next year since it will only just have launched. I doubt we'll even hear about PS4 at next year's E3. Perhaps ps4 will get a mention at the TGS or something in the autumn of 2012? But I think we're on course for a e3 2013 unveiling and a launch later that year, or during early 2014. Launching during late 2013 would leave a 7 year gap from the PS3 which is a considerable time gap. Leaving it to 2014 pushes us towards it's 8th birthday, which is an eternity in gaming.

I just don't expect Sony to work on the NGP launch this year and early next, only to distract themselves and the entire market with talk of the PS4 immediately afterward. E3 immediately after the NGP launches will be all about the NGP. PS4 would be a distraction at that point. Later in the year - TGS in September 2012 might be the earliest you could start talking about PS4 without distracting from the NGP. IMHO of course.

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Beamboom
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 10:36:10 AM

"I Love my PS3" - amen to that! In my opinion the games right now are good enough as it is.
I got Just Cause 2 last week and I gotta say, for a middle-of-the-road game like that it looks absolutely *stunning*. Add some rpg elements and an exciting story to that visual framework and I can imagine a game that I would be more than satisfied with for years to come...!

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Lawless SXE
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:21:43 PM

I forgot about the legal issues... That could be a major factor in their decision to release a new one, or a new PS3 for that matter using different components.

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JSwayze
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 10:15:32 AM
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Not really but I'll get it if it's released

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STAY3R
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 10:54:53 AM
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hell yeah, tired of this gen's graphics (except uncharted 1 and 2 and lil big planet)

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Jawknee
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:07:56 AM

I'm just tired of crappy multiplat graphics myself though some 3rd party devs are finally starting to get the hang of it.

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Nynja
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:10:14 AM
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Yes and no.

Yes, because I love new technology and can't wait to see whats in store for us gamers come PS4.

No, because I feel like I still have a few years left with my PS3 before I feel my system is outdated...but with Battlefield 3 PC footage, I may change my mind after I see PS3 footage.

Financially, I absolutely am not ready for PS4.

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Kai200X
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:21:18 AM
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I'm not ready, and there's no need for PS4 just yet.

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STAY3R
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:23:34 AM
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any one heard the news? Mitsubishi will stop producing evos after 2012, such a pathetic news

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 11:49:56 AM
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Just answered ur ? and my ?.

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 3/7/2011 11:50:24 AM

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daus26
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:14:05 PM
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The ps3 is fine, but with the 360, and maybe the Wii holding it back, I'm a bit irritated. Blu-ray is clearly the media for today and with 360 and Wii's DVDs, most developers probably won't take full advantage of Blu-ray's physical memory. If they did, every 360 games would be at least 3 DVDs.

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Alienange
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:16:19 PM
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A PS4 within the next couple years had better be backwards compatible or it'll be dead in the water.

With PS3 having motion controls, 3D, Trophies, HD (for the most part) and some of the best games on earth, what exactly will the PS4 do for me?

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 12:33:39 PM

That sounds like the logic I use when people try to say that the Wii-HD or Xbox720 will kill the PS3. I can't quite get my head around what a new generation of console would do that the PS3 is not currently capable of doing.

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Cesar_ser_4
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:54:32 PM

@highlander, cook dinner

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Excelsior1
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 5:07:03 PM

games at 1080p, and 60 fps. no more screen tearing. hardware based antialiasing, a gpu that's up to snuff, and plenty of memory.

for whatever reason the ps3 has seen its share of lego based shadows, and jaggies. new hardware will fix that.

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Jawknee
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 6:49:50 PM

Shadows yea but most of the time the jaggies are usually only present in multiplat games. Not sure what technique they use in Killzone, Uncharted and God of War III but jaggies are practically non existent.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:39:50 PM

@Excelsior1

Yes, but is that really a good reason to put several hundred dollars/pounds/euro/whatever down for a new console? I mean, yes, at some point in the next 2-3 year I agree that a new console wave will come and it will be 1080p60 capable without blocky shadow effects and the like. But if that's the total justification to upgrade, I don't think you'll see a lot of upgrades.

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wakkaoaka
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:06:09 PM
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Next year, or the year after would not be prime for selling a console, what with the imminent "greatest depression" just around the corner in 2012.

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huh1678
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 2:44:16 PM
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I don't mind but i'm really more focused on the NGP for the near future more then the Ps4.

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Temjin001
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 4:29:27 PM
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"Microsoft is ramping up development of its next generation Xbox console according to job positions being advertised on business networking site LinkedIn, brought to light on the Beyond 3D Forum."

The rumblings are beginning to surface for the next Xbox. It would seem MS is already underway prepping up their next system.
Thank goodness, too, because Kinect is joke and a bigger gimmick than Wii ever was.

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Excelsior1
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 5:20:54 PM

that's what i meant by ms selling it's soul for kinect. a lot of hardcore gamers are turned off by ms straying into the casual market, but at the same time they still view live as a far superior multiplayer experience, so they probably aren't going anywhere.

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Temjin001
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 6:08:15 PM

I've always wished the Kinect would fail. Hopefully their next Xbox has little to do with motion interfaces. I'm annoyed by motion interfaces. I'm even annoyed in KZ3 when I have to turn my controller every so often to open a valve etc. It seems like the one thing that could possibly make gaming worse going into the future more than anything else is a motion controls. It's lame that in order for Nintendo to have stayed viable they had to market a last gen console to a noob crowd who finds something like a DS3 too complicated. So great, lets dumb game design down for everyone who cared enough for Nintendo to ever get them to make a Wii to begin with. Oh, and my name is MS, let's just remove buttons altogether and have you frolic around like a dunce with a peripheral that even a monkey could play.


Who views LIVE as a far superior multiplayer experience?
MS can keep their cross-game voice chat and I'll keep my $50

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:47:16 PM

@Excelsior1

MS claims to have shipped (and by implication, sold) more than 50 million Xbox 360s. However Xbox Live only has a total of 30 million subscribers (Gold and Silver both counted). According to Microsoft something like 56% of XBL members are Gold account holders, so if you take their figures at face value that means that full 40% of Xbox360 owners don't connect to the Internet at all, and only 34% of all Xbox 360 owners are 'hardcore' enough to play multi-player online games, because only 34% pay to play online.

If LIVE is so superior why are it's numbers so god-awful?

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Fane1024
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:00:09 AM

The reason: only 30 million of those 360s are still functional.

But you already knew that.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 12:02:36 PM

Indeed, but try convincing anyone else of that...they still think that 360 outsells PS3 everywhere.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 12:27:12 PM

I forgot to mention one important point. When Microsoft counts the Xbox360's it's shipped, it includes all the replacements it sends out to people with dead Xbox 360s. You really do have to consider that the PS3 *has* overtaken the 360, and there's no denying the truth of that statement.

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LanceNLT
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 7:40:31 PM
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Yes I can most definitely wait. I mean, I just got my PS3 two months ago now and I seriously need some time to catch up. And while I know that doesn't describe most of PSXE's readers, I get the feeling that describes plenty of other gamers given that the PS3 has been gaining momentum recently. Plus, I agree with Ben that the PS3 still has too much untapped potential to even think about coming in with a successor that would presumably replace it. I know with my Wii and my Nintendo DS, which I've had both since launch, I'm ready for the next thing; they're both losing momentum, both with few worthwile games coming up. And the Nintendo 3DS is about to resolve half of that in a few weeks, and there is talk, if only talk, of a "Wii 2". So, I know this holds very little weight given how recently I got my PS3 but I, like Ben, feel very content with it for the next few years because the PS3 isn't facing those problems yet. It's actually gaining momentm and getting more software support than ever. Plus, I would hope the PS4 (if it is indeed a console as we know them) would be backward compatible with PS3 games, but even then, when I wouldn't have to worry about moving ahead without leaving anything behind, I'd still rather wait a bit. And on my above note in the parentheses, I understand what Ben is referring to when he says "...I get the sneaking suspicion that the PS4 will be extraordinarily different...so different, in fact, that it'll be unrecognizable to those who grew up during the dawn of gaming", I've heard talk of this sort of thing before, but I can't say I feel the same way he does about that part. I find it hard to believe we're at the point of completely abandoning consoles and controllers... but who can say? In any case I'm just fine with waiting for the PS4, and if you disagree you must be overlooking something.

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Highlander
Monday, March 07, 2011 @ 9:44:01 PM

What if PS4 turns out to be a modular system of some kind, and the NGP forms an integral part of it? I seem to remember Sony patenting a concept like that a few months back.

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tararara
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 5:37:04 AM
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Can't wait!

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Oyashiro
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:49:25 AM
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Hell, i hope this console gen last another 4-5 years before anything in released. I feel Nintendo and Sony can wait since they both are releasing new handhelds, but I can see Microsoft jumping the gun to get a head start again.

I think the industry needs to wait. Developers are still struggling with budgets for games this gen. Think how much it will cost to make games for a new generation of consoles.

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BigBoss4ever
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:39:50 PM
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i am not in the least interest, period.

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sohio
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 @ 5:40:40 PM
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I can honestly say that I've been ready for the last year. It actualy bothers me that so many others are content with tech thats been around for the last 5-6 years.

I'm not a tech geek, so this is a question for those who are...How close are we to TRUE fmv replacing graphics in games? Not the crappy Sega CD stuff but true FMV. I can picture a badass FPS using this in it's best way.

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