Developers Say Brink Won't Be A Sniper's Paradise

coverton341
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:53:14 AM
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Hrm, sorry to say but I am generally always a sniper. I just like that type of game play. Looks like I'll still be taking a pass on this one

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Underdog15
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:58:30 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure alienating some players is the best way to market a game.

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FM23
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:48:03 AM

I hate you then!lol

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Underdog15
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:54:16 AM
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That's cool that they want to make an equal experience, but uh...

"but that's so we can make sure everyone else has a good time, so seven out of eight people have a great experience instead of just one out of eight."

Now... I'm not sure how terrible these guys are at games, but I've NEVER experienced a sniper being the only person to do well in a game... As far as I'm concerned, they're a great tool for keeping certain areas of a map suppressed and confined, but uh...

I'm sorry... but if you keep running out in the open where a sniper is tracking... it's your own stupidity that gives him killstreak upon killstreak. I dunno... gameplay sounds good and all, but I think the excuse is just a cop-out. I'd like to hear them support their position a little stronger next time.

EDIT: On a further note, the easiest thing to do if you don't want snipers ruling your game, is to design more complext maps where every player could potentially excel. lol... you have to laugh at these guys a little... When do lone snipers ever completely rule a game so it's only 1 out of 8 enjoying themselves? Maybe these players should develop a strategy. It isn't hard.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 3/8/2011 9:56:44 AM

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:05:48 PM

Great points man.

I for one find the thrill of the hunt to be great...both as a sniper and as the potential victim. When you're NOT the sniper, I don't think there's a bigger kill than counter-stalking a sniper and actually killing them. Especially when they are cloaked in KZ3 and think they're hidden and you just lay into them with your machine gun.....you know they're pissed on the other side...

Like you said, snipers have their place. If you don't like them camping...then go kill them...it's that easy.

And it is fun to be a sniper

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matt99
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 4:52:01 PM

I agree with what you said about map design, I mean BC2 has several maps that support close and long range gameplay. Or they could just design a few maps that are friendly to snipers and a few that are close range. This just seems to be limiting variety in gameplay.

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matt99
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 4:52:03 PM

Double post-ignore.

Last edited by matt99 on 3/8/2011 4:52:21 PM

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 9:57:42 AM
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So, basically, they want to make the game a total run'n'gun kind of game? I mean, without the sniper, or at least the ability to stop, aim and take down an opponent with a single well placed shot, what are you left with except charging in all guns blazing...?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:44:03 AM

A fun game that stresses movement along the map with parkour moves and strategic teamwork.

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Highlander
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:55:34 AM

LOL! Well, that's one way to put it.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 12:30:36 PM

Wow World, I didn't know you were such a marketing whiz, these people need you.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:06:38 PM

Hardcore parkour!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 6:37:51 PM

lol, I did a preview for Brink and I was impressed so I thought I'd defend it :)

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:06:26 AM
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I still think people will use the sniper rifle, and camp or rush with it, other games had a disadvantage using a sniper rifle but it never stopped anyone.

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nremdn
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:10:10 AM
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Sniping is boring... I say if people want to snipe, let them. In general, 99% of the snipers out there are the biggest bums in the game and pose no real threat to anyone. They can definitely be annoying, but if they want to sit around and be bored more power to them. Not too smart to alienate a group of gamers. Not if you're looking to make a profit in the fps world anyways.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:11:18 AM

I guess you haven't seen how capable someone is of using a sniper rifle in games, trust me they can be more deadly then an assault rifle if in use of a good player.

I've seen some devastating games with a guy just running around with a sniper rifle and killing everyone, it's freakin' crazy the skills some of these players have with a sniper rifle.

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nremdn
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:37:57 AM

Trust me, I have played way too many hours of Bad Company 2, 1943, MW2, and others to know that the amount of dangerous snipers is very very low. I have 500+ hrs. in BC2 alone and can count on one hand how many snipers actually made a difference in a round of conquest. I am well aware how deadly a red dotted sniper rifle can be up close. That is how I got all of my sniper pins and insignias in BC2 because sitting on a hill sniping is so boring I could never have done it that way. You are giving snipers way too much credit.
I absolutely agree with the guy below that said most people that say they snipe are just covering up for the fact they are no skill campers. Battlefield games are all about capturing territory, be it rush or conquest. How in the world are you going to capture territory with half your team sitting at your deployment? I love playing against teams with lots of snipers...easy victories.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:59:35 AM

I only give credit to where credit is due. And yes some aren't very good at sniping, and rushing with assault rifles, but I'm talking about the ones who are good and yes you will get a lot that isn't.

I love sniping because it's fun picking people off across from the other side of the map and figure out where they will be, and how they will kill you, that is the joy i get in trying to out smart someone in an FPS. I am also fully capable of rushing with assault weapons contrary to what people believe in people being a sniper class.

But don't let that fool you because a person is using a sniper rifle they don't have skill, that will be the mistake you make in underestimating someones skill.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:30:25 PM

i'm a pretty good sniper i'd say. when i played cod 4 i would head shot moving players alot. in modern warfare 2, i put a red dot on a 50 cal to snipe long distances and use it like an automatic assault rifle, no turbo controller at all. kinda pissed at black ops though because the fal keeps jamming on me. I shoot down parachutes in MAG no problem, snipe clear across the map on bad company 2. as one guy puts its below, there are snipers and there are those with sniper rifles. unfortunately or fortunately, depending how you look at it, guys running around with sniper rifles completely outnumber snipers.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:11:34 AM
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I love this game's art design. don't know if i'll ever play it, but it looks kinda cool.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:12:16 AM
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There are snipers, and then there are people with sniper rifles.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:22:50 AM

Lol, indeed.

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:24:20 PM

And Brink doesn't accommodate either. Way to go SD.

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DirtySkillzHD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:29:32 AM
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Sniping is more skilled style of play and is rewarding in games like battlefield bad company 2 its awesome, but in cod black ops you get quick scoping pests

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:37:47 AM

Indeed. I love how the bullets drop in Bad Company 2. Forces the player to pick their shots more wisely.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:34:58 PM

i love aiming at the air above peoples heads, fire, then HEADSHOT! after a while it was so easy to read it that it became natural. it got to a point where i pretty much get all headshots. then i played mw2 or mag and i keep missing because i forgot bullet drop isnt in the game.

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big6
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:34:31 AM
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Having heavily played all the notable FPSes out there (Killzone2/3, CoD, MAG, Resistance, etc), I have to say, I have a total hate-on for snipers. lol
However, for the most part, having them don't necessarily ruin the game.
For example, MAG is still super enjoyable, despite there being many snipers in many of the games. In fact, I barely notice they are even around. (except when they pick you off as you're parachuting)
Otherwise, you just adjust your gameplay and don't sit out exposed in the open.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:36:46 PM

what pisses me off in mag is that some people just dont listen and some even try to boot you as squad leader. i mean i even try to put markers where i want them to approach from but they get mad because i took the double xp marker away from the objective.

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Quincho
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 7:52:06 PM

thath has an easy fix.. get a clan! its the best (if not the only) to experience Mag at its full! GO PRO CLAN!!

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Imagi
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:36:32 AM
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I have high hopes for this game, Splash Damage understand multi-player, this may help the balance and make for a more frantic, enjoyable game. Most snipers need a rocket up their ass anyway, too many people use sniping as an excuse for being nothing more than a dirty camper.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:21:55 AM

lol, campers pose no threat though. Snipers do. Once bitten, twice shy! Let campers camp, I say. Only morons feed them kills.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:41:26 AM
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I'm with Temji. Game has a cool art design but I doubt I'll be playing it. Killzone 3 will fill my FPS needs until Battlefield 3 comes out.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:39:25 PM

hahaha, and battlefield maps are practically snipers heaven because of how open it was. i remember sniping from on top of a mountain all the way to the final rush base on that desert like map by the water, i think it was nelson bay. was bored after we captured the first rush base so i just stayed on top the mountain and sniped my way to first place.

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Lotusflow3r
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 10:50:00 AM
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Uhh....Sniping is the only thing that ever makes me play an online shooter. It's called team work.

This is why the only online shooter i play is MAG. It's all about team work. I and my team of snipers pick em off and the hands on people get through better. I have maximum patience and play better when relaxed...and sniping is relaxing and kinda hypnotic, it's my role.

Definitely passing on this.

Last edited by Lotusflow3r on 3/8/2011 10:50:49 AM

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big6
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:36:56 PM

MAG is ridiculously awesome!!

I can't believe I passed on it when it first came out.

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Riku994
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:18:54 AM
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Not gunna lie, I like me a good sniping streak, but I can live without it.

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AshT
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:23:23 AM
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I dont like them snipers :)

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Underdog15
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:26:57 AM
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Snipers... good to have on your team.

Campers? Who cares. Only morons feed them kills. I have never been bothered by campers. IMO, although it's frustrating to have a camper on your team who does nothing to help an objective, they have NEVER bothered me when on other teams.

Seriously? What kind of person feeds a camper kills? Just avoid that area or frag the crap out of them! Let them get bored in some obscure area of the map. If they're "camping" an area they are supposed to defend... guess what? It's not camping. It's defence. Figure it out.

Do I camp? Well, if I see an enemy on radar about to come around a corner I happen to be close to, I'll move away from the door and wait for them to come through, then be on my merry way, but I don't think that's camping if I then get up and go somewhere else.

I dunno... all these people who yell at campers are usually more annoying than the campers themselves. There is -NO- good reason why a camper should get more than 4 or 5 kills a match. If they do, then either you or your teammates aren't brilliant enough to figure out how to avoid those deaths. And chances are, you deserve to lose.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:33:01 AM

"who does nothing to help an objective,"

Seriously. My biggest gripe about Killzone 3 is too many idiots don't help to complete the objective in Warzone. Rather they camp and hide and try only to rack up kills. No team work from those turds.

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FM23
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:53:19 AM

Your not a camper then. Campers are people who wait in corners, by enemy spawn points, enemy base entrances, etc through the whole game. Campers don't get a extra 5 kills a match, they get 15+ and no points towards objectives. I hate campers, they ruin games. Snipers are no different. They flavor to matches, but if they are watching spawn points (Pyrrhus Crater) waiting for kills, life of KZ3 become annoying.

Last edited by FM23 on 3/8/2011 11:58:41 AM

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 12:01:40 PM

Not that annoying. Pick a different spawn point of people are spawn camping.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:17:16 PM

@jawknee - that's why my K/D ratio blows, but I still end up high in the rankings. Last night I had 22 kills and 37 deaths, but was #1 on the team cause all I do is complete objectives since that's how you WIN in warzone!

When the medic on your team has:
Most C&H points,
Most Speaker retrieves,
Most Speaker carrier kills,
Most Charges planted,
Most Charges defused,
Most Assists, etc...

then something is wrong with your team
AKA - you don't have a team....you have a bunch of lumps shooting each other...

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:28:28 PM

Goodness, the other night I was playing Warzone and it was time for the objective where you grab the loud speaker and place it in the enemy territory. My team just kept shooting everyone and never ONCE tried to grab the speaker and take it to the enemy side. At least 4 or 5 times I watched as my team would kill the guy with the speaker only to leave it where it fell for another enemy to come pick it up. I was the only one stopping them from scoring. It can be pretty infuriating when you get stuck with a bunch of worthless turds. It also annoys me when I am the only one on the team repairing the ammo crates, wasps and minigun turrets. Morons!

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:59:58 PM

@sven
ironically, i got those same awards as a sniper, hahaha.

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:19:55 PM

@john - my PSN ID is Sven182.

Add me if you want. I'm hoping to get some MP action in tonight and tomorrow.

Jawknee if you're on tonight, we should get a squad into Warzone....sound good?

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:49:25 PM

I'm down.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 @ 9:41:36 AM

I'll be the first to admit, that I move my sniping positions to where the traffic is. If I nail you more then once in the same spawn, then the phrase..

"If it happens once, shame on you. If it happens twice, shame on me"

..comes to mind.

Say that to yourself as I shoot you for 2nd, 3rd, 4th time.

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FullmetalX10
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:31:28 AM
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I dislike snipers, they're usually very close to campers. I played this game of cod once, where there were 6 players total and I was the only one moving... the rest was just sitting in some unreachable place shooting the only moving thing on the map, me... and when you know where one is, you walk there and get shot by another -_-
Though in Brink i don't think campers would pose much of a threat, because of the emphasis on the mobility of the player, which I'm looking forward to, freerunning in an fps,
definitely gonna pick this one up.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:45:01 AM
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I'm with fullmetal, what fun is the game when everybody just sits still and waits for frogs to jump?

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SvenMD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:19:24 PM

Of course it's not fun when everyone does it, but variety is the spice of life.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:22:43 PM

I agree with SvenMD about the spice of life deal. Snipers add another element to gameplay that makes you think before acting. However, sometimes thinking can get you killed in a videogame. And often more times than not, it kills you.

Now the bad thing about snipers is that they make you think too much. They add another annoying element to the gameplay which is long range and most of the time VERTICALITY (yeah it's not a word i know). But snipers make you look UP where someone running in guns-blazing most likely won't be looking ((assuming the sniper is in a tower or building) of course other non-snipers can camp in high places but most likely a sniper will be in like a tower).

Now this is my perspective as a player who runs straight into the action. I like the thrill of not knowing what's going on around the next corner and responding as quickly as I can to eliminate my enemy. It's fun! But the trick is, it's only fun when everyone has the same mentality. When people are picking you off from a range beyond your capability it detracts you from your personal goal and you end up with a personal vendetta with a guy named grASSyroastBEAT and well...that isn't what players like me want.

Personally, I can do without snipers but I feel at the same time for developers to make the game intending to exclude snipers from the action is in poor taste. Well...but in all honesty...less snipers means less pests which equates to less deaths so...Brink anyone?

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:42:51 PM

without snipers noone would even find other routes and explore the map. everyone will just rush the same route and complain that they got taken out by an LMG because they were bottle necking.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 5:57:00 PM

Johnld,

What I'm saying is this, I personally think excluding sniper rifles or snipers or one-shot-long-distance-KOs is petty and ridiculous.

However, someone who plays FPSs the way I do is probably anti-sniper-posting as well. All they do to us in someone's like my perspective is either kill me unknowingly, kill me because they have the heads up, or kill me because they have the 'stronger firepower'.

I don't think sniping is cheap because personally they won't dominate the field with it or I have never witnessed a player who is consistently dominating games with sniper rifles.

It would be best for me if there were no snipers because then I would be able to focus on the fight in closer perimeters as opposed to wondering whether or not a single bullet will be the end of it all.

Trust me, I've played games where everyone was camping around with sniper rifles (me included just to see how the game would go). No one reached 30 kills, no in fact I don't think anyone got to 15...it was that bad. lol

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 6:39:08 PM

But you can't count on strangers online to work as a team. well, I suppose you could build a team, but its damn hard to get everyone online at once.

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FM23
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 11:57:38 AM
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Snipers...Snipers...Snipers. I don't mind getting killed by an enemy close up (duel) or even by blind fire, but if a Sniper gets me...I am highly pissed off and just one more sniper death away from quiting the match sometimes. In KZ3, some if not most of these guys don't really even play objectives which really bothers me. And if they do they don't contribute to completing them, just earning more kills. When I see one...I am quick to take care of one. I hate them, but they do make matches interesting. Still annoying. More annoying than Infiltrators.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:46:17 PM

"I don't mind getting killed by an enemy close up (duel) or even by blind fire". thats not really what a sniper does. snipers are supposed to keep their distance. if theres a sniper running around just hipfiring sniper rifles or getting close up then the guy doesnt know what he's doing. just another guy with a sniper rifle most likely because its a one hit kill.

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FM23
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 3:21:38 PM

Yeah, I know what I said. That's the point...I hate getting killed by long distance snipers.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 3:47:10 PM

Then get better at staying in cover. Stop running and gunning out in the open.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 @ 9:44:19 AM

FM23, I nailed you a few times in the match we played together from the tactical spawn area at Phyyrus Crater. Why? You kept re-spawning there.

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kraygen
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 12:39:19 PM
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I'm a roaming sniper whenever I play a shooter of any kind. Find a good shot, one shot kill, move on and find another good vantage point. It takes patience, but it's my favorite way to play, I snipe in sp, not just mp.

Thing is, if you're not camping, which imo is boring, then sniping usually doesn't get you to the top of the leader board. Unless your team fails miserably you're hanging around the middle of the pack as far as points and kills go.

I didn't have much interest in this game to begin with, but now it's definitely off my list. So many mp game maps are just set up so that camping is easy, which is why those point hungry losers do it. I say design better maps and camping wouldn't be a problem.

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DjEezzy
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:17:37 PM
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I'm glad something has finally been said about this game. It's one of my most anticipated shooters. I think people are reading a bit too much into this though. I'm sure there will be snipers and campers just like any other game. They probably just wont be able to snipe in the same place for very long. I mean Bethesda has it's hand in this game. The art style is great and the parkour looks like a ton of fun. Why would you want to camp or snipe when you have parkour anyway?!?

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Alienange
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 1:33:44 PM
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Good job Splash Damage, you just turned away 20 million customers. Or are there really people who are going to buy Brink and think to themselves "Phew! I finally have a game with no snipers."

"Those types of players..." What a n00b thing to say. You think I would have bought Black Ops if I'd known there was no sniping in the sp? Sniping can get the heart racing like nothing else. This "ham" sounds like a baby lashing out at what he doesn't understand.

Even freakin BIOSHOCK has sniping in it...lol.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:49:43 PM

in the beginning of MOH multiplayer, everyone was sniping. then blackops released and MOH games got a lot better. kinda tells you what kind of players populate cod. it was a major difference. i remember playing and pretty much died from "guys with sniper rifles" alot. now that those idiots are gone, MOH multiplayer is a lot better.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:16:26 PM
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From everything I've seen so far, it looks like a super-hectic fast paced run & gun on Meth, rather than any sniper's paradise.

Occasionally a sniper will be my bane cause I don't always figure out their locale, or they've moved on before I can get to them.

But it's always great pleasure when I counter their whereabouts & then watch their life bleed out out after slitting their throats.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:52:41 PM

you dont even need to know where they are most of the time. if you get sniped, you'll know that the general area is watched by a sniper. so all you need to do is run through buildings and figure out which areas have a clear view, which isnt that hard at all. some snipers are too stupid to pay attention around them anyway, too focused down the sights. they give away they position easily.

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kevinater321
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:17:59 PM
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Hello everyone, my name is kevin and......ahh..... im a sniper.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:23:36 PM
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look, those who keeps complaining about snipers or call them plain campers are most likely the ones who get picked off because they stay in the open alot. like someone said, there are snipers and there are people with sniper rifles.

I'd say i'm a sniper 40% of the time so far in killzone 3 but i always keep my team updated with info. i'll pick a spot far from the objective but i make sure i have a clear line of sight where the objective is. i usually tell them that i'll watch the outside so they can focus on the other points of entries. when one gets past me, i tell them what exactly to look out for whether tactician or infiltrator. I always see and kill the same person over and over because they just dont learn. at one point i sniped the same guy over and over while he was on a mech in salamun market. i may not be always in the objective but i make sure noone gets there. if i need to pick up ammo i tell them to watch out for a moment. its up to the rest of the team if they choose to listen to me and act accordingly.

i dont think that gg games havent really taken into account a campers playstyle in their map design. first off, its way too damn easy to camp their main spawn base. like in bisgark boulevard, i get camped even before i get past the last doorway.they shouldve put in a boundary point like they did with MAG. second, some maps kinda encourage camping like mawlr graveyard. i mean theres three ways to get accross, 2 by small doorways and 1 which is wide open area. i even get killed while inside the main spawn base which is weird because usually theres bots to prevent those.

having a sniper shouldnt determine whether the team would win or not. they're a tactical advantage that could change the flow of battle if played correctly. taking away that option would only lead to run and gun gameplay. if i know theres a sniper in the area, i usually find alternative routes through buildings to avoid them.

the problem i see are the tactical spawn points. in some maps, capturing spawn points makes the game heavily one sided. a couple of spawn points in salamun market are just too close to search and destroy objectives. the problem with these spawn points is more about the players though as nobody really wants to babysit these points in typical games. they'll be tacticians but wont even try to capture the tactical spawn points at all. i say bring back spawn grenades. i do remember people who dont now how to use them in killzone 2. they just throw them where ever just to have a spawn point.

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FM23
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 3:24:23 PM

Well then your a good sniper. People are complaining about Snipers who visibly camp all game long not even paying attention to objectives. I usually play as a Tactacian and yes...I hate the new spawn point idea. Makes matched imbalanced.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 3:48:51 PM

It does not make the matches unbalanced. That doesn't even make sense. If you want your team to succeed you need to capture as many spawn points as possible. If the other team is capturing them. Capture them back.

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just2skillf00l
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:27:29 PM
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A simpler way to solve this problem is to cause camper-snipers to spontaneous implode if occupying one area for too long a period...that would be awesome! 3???...2??......1?! OOOOOOH!!! LOL

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The Real Deal
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:30:39 PM
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I would like to point out that MAG didnt really support a sniper's paradise either and we all know how that went. Yes it sold copies but nothing near the amount that zipper or sony wanted (even though officially they were happy with the sales).

What i mean by that is the maps in MAG were relatively big and there were alot of obstacles in the way and very little places to hide that were actually good for sniping. This is why franchises like call of duty, resistance, killzone, and halo have such wide appeal. There maps are open but also provide the right amount of cover for snipers.

I am not sure if the result will be the same with brink, but based on my opinion i believe they just isolated about 50 percent of the FPS audience. So using there same math i believe 4 out of 8 will not have a fun time which = substandard sales. Do you agree or tottaly think i am insane?

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tlpn99
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:36:48 PM
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lol Kevin nice one :)

I am happy with this as I generally don't snipe but I do enjoy taking them out (not on a date lol but finding them and shooting them on the map). I love taking the wookies out on BC2. I do go them myself but don't snipe on BC2 I use one of the none sniping guns. I don't snipe as I don't have the patience for it and I am crap at it too. I like being in the action and not atop a lonely grassy knoll type of scenario. So im happy with this.

It annoys me though people who don't play objective based games. As a few have mentioned in previous comments not playing the objective is annoying when they are just racking up the kills. If you want to do this go and play in the TDM lobby.

Snipers have to camp though that's what a sniper does he lies in wait he doesn't move about. If they do that then they are going to get caught and killed. But a sniper is not the same as camping with say a Scar on MW2 that's just wrong.

Ok if I hear someone coming I'll wait for them to pass me and try to get them but then I'll move on again, benefits of having a decent set of headphones when playing online, helps give you the advantage.

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johnld
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 2:55:48 PM

snipers who stay in one spot throughout the game for kills are campers. then theres a few of us where we set up "camp" that have a clear view of the objectives. with killzone's changing objectives, we have to move around.

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Lairfan
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 3:50:39 PM
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Wow, way to go to the devs for making me say "meh" to this game even more. It already looked pretty empty and un-evolutionary to begin with (despite the devs' claims to the contrary), now they've taken out a whole class of players.

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Danny007
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 4:13:56 PM
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I've been checking out this game a lot lately. I'm all for supporting new IP's so I'm going to get this. The question is, which retailer has the best pre-order bonus.

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 5:15:13 PM
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If that's the case then you shouldn't include sniper rifles into this game.

Pointless if it's not gonna be any fun.

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CharlesD
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 @ 5:17:14 PM
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Good to hear somebody making a game which discourages camping. Hope the mp is halfway decent, might be able to escape from the maps plagued by these idiots who forgot where the left analog stick is (sarcasm) in COD and other shooters.

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___________
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 @ 2:00:38 AM
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really looking forward to this!
just nice to see something break away from the heard before the edge of the cliff!

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Minishmaru
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 @ 7:17:42 PM
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oh come on! I mean I hate snipers but nothing is more satisfying that sneaking up on a sniper who thinks hes found the perfect spot and snapping their neck in half!!! Over and over and over again ;-D

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