Crysis 2: Proof That Exclusives Are In A Class Of Their Own

bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:20:56 AM
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I'm going to stick up for Crysis 2 here and say it does look really good. And you can not take any thing away from crytek now. They did a fantastic job with the visuals in this game! It looks really good. And as a multiplatform title I don't know how much more room for growth their is, as far as graphics go. I'd like to see someone top crytek' achievement for multiplat games, but it will be tough, when keeping the games on par with eachother is a priority.

But I'm with you Ben. IGN, CVG are just a few that say Crysis is the best looking console game. And on 360 I agree. But KZ2 looks better, and obviously that puts KZ3 ahead of it. In some cases as you pointed out Ben KZ3 is sharper. Objects seem more prominent, and well realistic. The environments, and characters especially. And with out doubt Uncharted 2 is still tops. So I don't think anyone has much room to say Crysis 2 is the best looking console game, when clearly it's not. But it is damn good looking and I challenge any one to say it's not. It's up there with some of the best looking games for sure.

All in all though Crysis has turned out to be a very good looking game, that runs very well on the PS3, and the mp is actually a lot of fun! If your a shooter fan, it's a game to have in your library. No questions asked!

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:15:34 PM

Considering that IGN and CVG have question marks when it comes to there reliability, I take their comments with a grain of salt.

I am sure the 360 fans do not though.

I am glad that the game came out the way it did though. After that demo, I wrote it off.

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big6
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:21:01 AM
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Good to hear. I may still pick this up, later this year, after inFamous 2 and Resistance 3.

One thing I like about Crysis 2 is the running. It actually feels like you're running. Ditto for Killzone 3.

Whereas in games like MAG and CoD, running is marginally faster than walking.

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Agradegamer
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:23:04 AM
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...Almost everyone is saying that it's the best looking console game to date.I think you're doing a little nitpicking just cause there's a game on the 360 that looks better than most if not all ps3 exclusives.I haven't played it yet, so I don't know this first hand.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:31:51 AM

I don't know, all the PS3 exclusives are top notch with graphics. I still think Uncharted 2 will not be passed in graphic quality, and also when Uncharted 3 comes out that will probably set a new bar, which every PS3 exclusive has been doing.

I think Crytek will need to step up the bar a bit more to compete with the exclusives. It looks good, but not PS3 exclusive quality good.

That's just my opinion.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:40:22 AM

Crysis 2 is up their with a lot of PS3 exclusives. It's not quite up their with KZ3 and definitely falls short of Uncharted 2. But it does challenge a lot of PS3 exclusives. It is a very good looking game.

But this has nothing to do with a game on 360 looking as good or better than a game on PS3. Ben even stated in the article that he feels some 360 games still look better than Crysis 2. His point being exclusive titles will always be the best looking and running games on consoles.

With that said you cant take anything away from
Crytek and their achievement with Crysis 2. It is a good looking game that runs well!

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:56:09 AM

If you are talking to me, I'm not taking anything away from Crytek of what they achieved. They did a great job with the game, but falls short from exclusive qualty, which is understandable because it's not exclusive to any specific platform.

What i mean is it's probably the best looking multiplatform game i have seen so far. But when it comes to exclusives, it will always be better than a multiplatform game.

just to be clear though I'm not trying to take anything away and i understand what Ben is talking about. And the game does give exclusives a run for it's money even though it's not an exclusive game.

If what i said is to discredit what they achieved i didn't mean it in that way, or in any disrespectful manner.

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slugga_status
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:56:53 AM

So if you haven't played it why are you even nitpicking over an opinion of somebody who HAS played it? just curious....

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:00:53 PM

No nitpicking involved. God of War III, GT5, and Uncharted 2 all top Crysis 2.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:18:54 PM

Almost all those people hold a bias against the PS3 too. Wait till you play the game before you say something so absurd. The game looks good but does not hold a candle to the likes of Killzone, God of War III and Uncharted 2.

Besides, Crysis is blurry as hell in motion. Something I noticed, Killzone stays in focus with all that action going on, there is no clipping or pop in. Crysis has it's fair share of both.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:28:12 PM

Clamedeus-

No I was more specifically talking to Agradegamer. I was agreeing or pointing out to him that Crysis 2 achieved a lot. But you still can't compare it too KZ3 or many other PS3 exclusives.

Your good, I should of been more clear!

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:42:59 PM

Ah, yeah i was confused, but thanks for clearing it up though! Lol

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Cavan1
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:24:18 AM
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totally agree 100%

i was shocked, angered, and found it incredibly funny that in ign's console crisis review, they said it had taken the crown for best graphics on any console.

yeah i dont think so.

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:31:35 AM
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so another multiplat win for the 360? what a surprise.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:23:05 PM

I wouldn't say that. It really comes down to preterence. The 360 always tends to look a tad sharper when it comes to multiplats. Some prefer that while others prefer a softer, less plasticy image the PS3 tends to provide. If sites like Lens of Truth are to be believed(Temji likes them :) then the PS3 edge out this one in the end.

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Radiohead
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:34:18 AM
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The best games coming out this year are exclusive to the ps3, but their are some good multiplatforms game that come out this year too batman,dead space, and LA Noire.

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:34:41 AM
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I've only played the demo of Crysis 2 on 360, and you have to admit the game looks pretty damn good. Its quite impressive that Crytek could translate their PC developing skills to creating a game that looks THAT good on 360. Haven't tried the PS3 demo though, apparently it sucks.

I'll probably pick this game up later on though, the game looks pretty sick but I'm still playing Killzone and I don't know if anyone else is like this, but I can't really go back and forth from FPS. I'll get out of sync with the button layout, or mechanics and end up sucking. Its like swinging a baseball bat then playing golf. Kinda.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:37:32 AM

That happens to me as well, if i play a game for a set amount of days/months and i pick up a new game that has a different feel. It completely throws off my rhythm of how i play the game until i can adjust to it.

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big6
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:38:21 AM

I totally agree with the "playing one game at a time" thing because of buttons layouts! haha

For some bizarre reason, no FPS can decide on a common "crouch" button. And in MAG, the weapon cycle and grenade buttons are completely different. (but not in a bad way... just different)

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:57:49 AM

Haha yea the crouch and melee buttons always seem to be in different spots. Jump, reload, shoot and change weapons are almost always the same though! Lets get some consistency with the crouch buttons, please.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:41:17 PM

Yea jimmy, that multiplayer demo was pretty bad but the final build for the SP so far is solid. Much better than that demo led people to believe.

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big6
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:35:51 AM
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I think games can be technically, graphically advanced and superior, but it's really the ART and ANIMATION that make people say it has "awesome graphics".

The art style in games like Crysis, Killzone, Gears of War, Halo are all cool and awesome looking. I think this helps immensely in determining whether someone will say a game has "awesome graphics" or not.

(by technically advanced, I mean things like advanced shaders and lighting, volumetric smoke, etc)

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SirLoin of Beef
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:36:24 AM
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Yeah, the "best looking console game" business is a bunch of malarkey. I will say that it's easily one of the best looking 360 games out there and ranks as one of the best looking multiplatform games around, too. It doesn't look bad when compared so some of the PS3 exclusives like UC2, GoW3 and the like but it doesn't surpass them in visual quality.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:38:42 AM

I completely agree.

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HighOnFire
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:49:41 AM
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Ben, Im glad you did this article. There has been a lot of hate for this title between the flame wars and Crytek's claims, but the bottom line is the game is great. In the graphics department, it is a step down from UC2 and KZ but it still looks amazing.

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Kiryu
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:53:26 AM
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Infamous 2 has the best Graphics for a Open World Game because of the PS3 Cell Processor and also Sucker Punch!
I saw the Batman Arkham City Trailer and the Graphics were not as good!Why in the hell can't Rock Steady make full use of the Cell Processor?!
Forget about equality for Every Platform!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:19:24 PM

Yakuza doesn't have the best open-world graphics?

I'm disappointed. Your not a real Yakuza fan.

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Kiryu
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:12:14 PM

Considering the scale of Infamous 2 i think it's spectacular.
Yakuza Series places more Emphasis on Detail in a City type of place and Yakuza 4 looks Awesome!

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FatherSun
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:55:14 AM
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Mirror mirror on the wall. Is Crysis 2 the fairest of them all? Where the hell is Snow White? It all depends on who you are asking. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder is it not?

Graphics are not the only measure of a game. Gameplay, Story and Graphics are the makings of a great game. I await your review Ben and ultimately I will need to play it myself for my final decision.

All of this PS3/360 comparison crap is exhausting. I do not blame the machines. Ben hit it on the head. Exclusives will always trump multiplats. I know, I know, there may be some exceptions but if a developer such as Crytek focused on one machine (PS3, cause the Xbox has had it share of this already) I wonder what they would come up with. I believe that all multiplats could be equal if developers were not inhibited by budgets and deadlines.

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slugga_status
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:03:01 PM
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A friend of mine actually got the PS3 version and I have to say I came away impressed by the graphics. Yet as many of you have also said..it clearly isn't the best game graphically on consoles.

It is however the best multiplat I've seen to date. there's some pretty good looking multiplats out there..Yet Crysis takes the cake easily

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PANICinc
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:04:12 PM
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OKay, so I got one little nugget to throw out there.

The game looks great, plays good, and does some unique things other shooters didn't even attempt!

For all you shooter fans out there sick of buying a game, and crushing the campaign in 5-6 hours: BUY CRYSIS 2!
Heard it'll take 10-12 hours for the campaign!

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:34:33 PM

I agree. Any shooter fan will not be disappointed with it.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:58:19 PM

That what I was looking for. I'm tired of playing 4 hour campaigns.

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:15:08 PM
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after renting this game i came away very surprised. it is very close to ps3 exclusive level.

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Snaaaake
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:18:55 PM
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Too bad they failed to reclaim that crown they lost to UC2.
But nice job Crytek, in the future don't hype yourself and put a buggy demo.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:31:27 PM

They did shoot themselves in the foot. But after the final release the game looks, runs and plays great. Can't take that away from them!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:34:02 PM
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The game looks good. I ate some crow this week as Cryteks claims pretty much stands true except that it's the "best looking console game evah!" Might be the best looking multiplat but it still doesn't rank up there with Killzone, Uncharted or God of War III. GT5 looks better. Just has crappier shadows.

I decided to buy the game this morning and I must say it is pretty fun and I'll reserve my trash talk next time a crappy demo hits PSN. though I did notice the game is blurry as hell in motion and it makes it hard to see your enemies. Now I only played for a few minutes but when I popped Killzone 3 back in I immediately noticed how clear and focused Killzone 3 stays at all times. Has a better frame rate, more going on on screen, no clipping, pop in, or hang ups when loading the next section. Funny, Crysis 2 will freeze for a second or two like Killzone 2 did when it loaded the next section. Funny because all the hypocrites who complained about that in Killzone 2 failed to mention that in their Crysis 2 reviews. Crysis 2 looks good but I can't help get that "this really is a PC game" from he look and fell of it. Something about it, maybe the controls and movement animations doesn't feel as polished as Killzone 3.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:38:50 PM

The movement animations are awkward at first. They were for me anyways. I noticed that their is a lot of momentum in the controls which can be portrayed as non responsive. But on the other hand momentum is a part of real life... So it's preference. But I got used to it.

The blurriness I havnt noticed really. Although I'm not running a lot, because I try to preserve my suits energy. I'm playing the game pretty stealth like. I find myself playing it a lot like MGS4. If need be I can shoot my way through but for the most part I'm always creepin! That adds a lot to a game and it's made it that much better.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:47:43 PM

You notice the delay when pressing L1 to aim down the iron sites? It takes a full second and a half it seems for him the raise the gun once you press L1 and delays again when you let go. Not sure why they did that. It's kind of annoying. Makes me think they didn't quite nail down the transition from mouse and keyboard to your standard game pad. Killzone reacts as soon as you hit that button. By the time your done pressing it the gun is already in aiming position.

I especially notice the blur when objects on screen are moving. For example, early in the game right before you have to make your way through that base camp. You're looking down over it from a roof top and a truck pulls up in front of you on the street below. The truck looked blurred as hell as it was moving only to focus once it stopped. That's more or less where I noticed the blurry effect.

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:49:04 PM

Your so lucky Jawk, I'm really jealous right now lol!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:53:37 PM

Ha, I picked it up at Target and got a $10 gift card with it. You don't have any Target stores near you?

I'm happy to say I am relieved that the game is actually fun. My gut was telling me not to get it but I said screw it. Turned about to be the right choice. Usually when I take a chance and buy games that have had too much hype I am very disappointed.

*cough*medalofhonor*cough*!

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:01:48 PM

I forgot all about Target! they seem to always have some type of deal when a new game comes out.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:45:12 PM

Jawknee-

O yea your right! I noticed that same vehicle also and was wondering what the heck was going on... So if you flip into your visor mode, where it scans different vantage points, routes and ammo caches and what not and zoom in, it focused more. But yep I know exactly what your talking about now! Good point!

I also notice the delay when aiming. I notice it a lot when you pick somethig up like a bottle or something small by hitting square. You then have to hit R1 to throw it and oh boy does it react slow to the R1 being pressed to throw it. Not only that but the animation of your right arm is ugly while throwing objects like that, but looks fine when throwing grenades haha!

Anyways here I am praising the game, and now I'm finding little things to nit pick! Ahh anyways I am enjoying it though. I had hi hopes it would turn out better than expected and it did so...

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:37:55 PM

Yea those issues are not a big deal but it does lend to what Ben is saying about how Killzone 3 is just that much more polished then the supposedly "greatest looking console game evah!"

;)

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:48:24 PM

Oh yeah absolutely. When comparing FPS' KZ3 is tops. No doubt about that.

I also just want to point something out to you cus I know you'll notice it. I thought it was weird when I seen it yesterday. But back close to that spot with the blurry vehicle. Their is a ledge you have to drop down from onto the streets, I think it's right after you make it through the camp. Anyways their is a bunch of garbage bags and junk to the left when u drop down. I noticed that their was a blue or yellow outline around the garbage bags like in the development process the outline was never deleted or something. I don't know what kinds of programs they use but in CAD if I'm drawing something like that I either freeze or delete the outline if one is involved. Kind of funny you'll have to check it out if you see any full garbage bags lying around let me know if you see it!

EDIT: you know I'm playing right now and it must have been just that bunch or maybe a glare of some sort cus I'm not noticing any outlines anymore! Could have just been me also... But it was really really faint that I remember and kind of a gold not blue... Anyways no big...

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:38:01 PM
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I can't wait till I get my copy of Crysis 2. I knew it was gonna be awesome on all three platforms. The PC version looks just beautiful, the best graphics in a game I have seen since the first Crysis. I really hope its good to in its story because KZ3 really disappointed me in its story, and gameplay to everything else except sound and its graphics, it almost made me cry. I know KZ3 looked and sounded good, but for me everything else I experienced I didn't care for, but Rico and Jammer were Awesome! Hopefully since I saved $60 on KZ3 I can go to gamestop or walmart or something and pick up Crysis 2.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:48:54 PM

I thought Killzone 3's story was fine. Much better than we have gotten from the likes of Call of Duty and dare I say...Bad Company? Haha, I love Bad Company 2 but I really couldn't stand the campaign.

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:58:54 PM

At first I thought the story was okay but the ending really killed it for me and the characters this time around besides Rico and Jammer I really could not stand especially Narvill, Stahl and Sev. And what happend to Natko? I know he didn't die at the end of KZ2, did the devs just forget about him? I found that so strange. And I hated most of the games cut scenes, like the one near the end when Sev gives that "emotional" speech and something random blows up, I couldn't stand that. It felt kinda like Killzone had lost its Killzoneness and got replaced with CODness.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:01:48 PM

HA! Natko is your co-op partner when you play split screen co-op. Though I gotta say I didn't even notice he was gone until JohnLD asked me where he went. Natko was so annoying in Killzone 2 I wanted to forget and I did.

I hear you about the ending. It fell flat and ended way too abruptly but it left a nice opening for Killzone 4. As for the cutscenes, I loved every minute of them. :)

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:12:41 PM

That's nice to know, I thought the devs had drooped the ball there for a minute. I actually started liking Natko toward the end of the 2nd one. It was Narville who I hated! Could not stand him, he was always yelling and not doing anything, and he was worse in the 3rd one! Man I don't like him!

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:39:42 PM

I'm with you in that the story of KZ3 was really not at all as bad as people made it out to be. Its what I expected, nothing spectacular but certainly servicable in that type of game.

@ Bebop I don't know how you thought Rico was one of your favorite characters, he was by far my LEAST favorite characters in the game. He almost always provided all the cheesey one liners that would make the story as a whole worse for me haha. I was really hoping he'd get killed off!

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:52:01 PM

Lol! I thought Rico actually did alright in the 3rd one, he wasn't always yelling like he did in the 2nd one he displayed a more effective leadership role, I just wish someone killd freaking Narville! Every cut scene when it looked like Narvile was gonna die I was like "Yes" and then when he didn't I was like "Awww" lol!

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Lairfan
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:59:27 PM

Dude, I loved Narville in KZ2. He was the hardass that pushed everyone to keep fighting, even in the last level when they all looked pretty screwed. As for KZ3, I didn't like how they pussified him up so much. I mean c'mon, one doesn't just go from hardass to, "I'm so scared to make a decision" in one day.

Also, the lack of Natko annoyed me as well. You don't just drop a character and expect people to not notice it.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:51:26 PM
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Just doing some Googling, man people are deluded. When they lose the argument that Crysis 2 doesn't look better than Killzone 3 in the end they jump to "well, Killzone is boring so pfffft"!

What are these people, a bunch of 10 year olds?

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FatherSun
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 12:59:56 PM

No Jawknee, They are not a bunch of 10 years olds. They are 12 and a half and 13 years olds o.k. so get it right! lol.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:02:05 PM

Ha!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:02:36 PM
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Oh, and another bit of crow I'll be eating, I would much rather see Crytek's engine become the new standard that replaces Unreal. Crytek's first game on consoles is extremely polished when compared to some of the garbage people are STILL putting out with Unreal.

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:16:49 PM

I'd rather have just about anything replace the unreal engine, so sick of getting sub-par games because UE3 is easy for devs.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:49:42 PM

Good point. There is only a few games I can say rub decent using the unreal engine!

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:34:13 PM

Run* rather!

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Qubex
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 9:03:00 PM

Definitely agree with you on that point Jawk!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:05:15 PM
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I'm so tired of Unreal, Cryteks engine would make a much better and much needed replacement.

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DjEezzy
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:23:28 PM
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Yeah, i'm pleased to say that this game has exceeded my expactations by a long shot. It is actually a tremendous amount of fun and the nanosuit is ridiculous. I do like how they give you options on how you want to play the game. It makes it a bit more strategic. I love it. It does not look better than KZ3, but it looks really really good!!! I'm with Jawk in that i think the new cryengine should become the new Unreal engine. Textures do look good and I love the fact that it kind of has a soft palette of color. Maybe it's the new plasma 3d i have but the lighting is almost perfect.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:35:29 PM
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Good for them, but I still don't care bout this game.

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tridon
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:47:19 PM

I'm with World on this. I still don't care about this game. I watched a new gameplay video on YouTube and I still didn't care about it. The way I see it, I don't have a lot of time to play games these days so I'm not going to be wasting a minute of my spare gaming time on something I have zero interest in. I have Castlevania, Bulletstorm, Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 and a crapload of Move titles waiting for me to play them. I also have Mortal Kombat, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Battlefield 3 on pre-order. Even if I wanted to, there's no way I'd ever have the time to play Crysis 2. Oh, and this "Best looking multiplat ever" claim... that won't last long. Battlefield 3 looks loads better. Frostbite2 over Crytek any day!

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SolidFantasy
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 1:48:35 PM
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Damn you IGN! Why do people still take you seriously !?

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FatherSun
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:42:33 PM

People take IGN seriously because.....

....because.....

I Got Nothing!

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RadioHeader
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:05:43 PM
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I've been watching a playthrough on youtube so I can't give an opinion on the graphics, but the thing that leaps out at me is the way the camera moves - totally last gen-ish compared to the weighty realism in Killzone.

And once again: No Move support = Me no support

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:12:03 PM

Yea the movement animations are not as refined or polished as Killzone 2 and 3.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:12:47 PM

there's gonna be a lot of games you wont support...

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:17:56 PM

Good news though, DICE is considering Move support for Battlefield 3.

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RadioHeader
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:42:46 PM

aaron, You're right, but I'm not prepared to take a backwards step with FPS's. I've seen the light with the Move, and I'm not just talking about the glowing ball.

Jawknee, That's good to know. I've never tried a Battlefield game, but would be more inclined to check it out if it's one of only few that supports Move. Developers should realise this.

I can't be the only one who's fallen in love with this new contol scheme. What I'm thinking is Sony should come up with a 'one size fits all' patch, which would allow Move with all shooters - even if it's just the simplest form whereby the Move takes the place of the Right stick.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 7:33:11 PM

i reckon i need to seriously try out kz3 with move support, i hear nothing but good stuff about it with move

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Snorge
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 3:58:08 PM

@aaronisbla
You need to man, its a great alternative to playing FPSs....it might take a bit to get used to at first, but keep a steady hand, dont panic when you see someone and wave your hand everywhere and you'll be good.

Everyone is tired of playing FPSs? Well then try the Move, breath of fresh air!

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BengiePR23
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:11:06 PM
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Hey guys! i bought the game yesterday and i got to say, it is the best looking MULTIPLATFORM title i have played, singleplayer is great, but the MP has me hooked in a way i can't describe, it has this fun factor that makes me smile everytime i play it. Like Ben says it is very close to Exclusives but not there, still love me my KZ3 graphics. Just my two cents.

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aaronisbla
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:12:02 PM
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guess ill have to check this game out

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:19:46 PM
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Honestly that's all well and good that it looks great, but I'd rather be able to say the game I just bought is one of the most fun and enjoyable experiences rather than it looks pretty.

I'm all for good graphics, but there has to be a balance, either everything is awesome, or the gameplay has to be amazing and the graphics decent, otherwise why waste my money.

I look forward to the review, Crysis 2 isn't my thing, but I am very curious to see how well it does as far as gameplay and well everything besides the graphics.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:04:04 PM

The gameplay is fantastic. It's obviously another FPS, but the nano suit offers a lot of ways to play the game. Like I was telling Jawknee earlier, I don't run around a lot because running depletes your suits energy, which I save to cloak myself. I play the game a lot like MGS4. Since theirs a group out to get me an alarm sounds if I'm seen and the baddies all come running. So I stealth around silenty taking out enemies. But if you like action your suit can deflect damage, once again until your energy depletes. Theirs more ways to play than that but you see my point that the suit offers a variety of playstyles rather than your usual shoot, cover, run, shoot, rinse and repeat.

On top of that you can upgrade your suit to your personal liking as you gain unlockables by killing aliens. On top of that your weapons are also completely upgradeable to your liking. Like I equip silencers and sights on my weapons cus I like stealth. But if your a tank type player then the upgrades are their to help u fend off large amounts of enemies at once. On top of all that your suit can still do anything as far as special abilities go. But obviously you upgrade each of those abilities to your playstyle.

Theirs a lot more to the game than just the graphics and so far the story is pretty decent. I've noticed finding the intel helps fill in a lot of missing pieces though. And I cnt forget about the mp which in a lot of ways is like the sp as ar as upgrades to your suit and weapons go. The game modes are fun, and fresh as well because of the different ways people will use their suits. Theirs a lot of
little detail in this game that can only be appreciated by playing it, likethe menus for instance... If your an FPS fan I'd look into it!

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kraygen
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 10:14:08 PM

That all sounds pretty awesome, one big difference though, MGS4 was third person and gun sights were first, my absolute favorite way to play.

Stealthing in fps is usually so annoying because you have to constantly be looking in every direction, I almost get dizzy, not really just saying, lot of spinning around.

After the review and hearing what you've said though, now I'll probably actually play it at some point.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 12:42:08 AM

True MGS4 is a TPS. But I was just referring to the similarities between the nano suit cloaking ability and Old Snakes suit adapting to environments and the whole go stealth if you want but go guns blazing if your in a tight spot.

And you know, I completely understand being dizzy or what trying to keep up with an FPS. I have a buddy who can't even play them!

But really if your an FPS fan I'd definitely say it's worth a buy! If your not but are looking at some good shooters to play I'd definitely say put it on your list right behind KZ3 to play. It's worth trying at the least!

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Wissam
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:34:36 PM
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The best looking console game ? didn't know the best looking console game having a lot of pops in. and its sub hd as well.the consoles are old hardware but I didn't know we had this low standards. as I remember correctly the same thing said about RE5. oh this is why the gaming media is a joke.sites like ign only fueling fanboys wars.
back in the xbox and ps2 days games
like ninja gaiden and others looked better than anything on the ps2 why. was that because developers were so talent ? errr no. because xbox was a powerful machine than the ps2.
now the ps3 is more powerful than the x360. ps3 exclusives can speaks of that. yet we get
BS from IGN like this. the entire gaming media has something against the ps3 in general. the last fiasco was the ps3 hacking issue. the entire media as well as ubisoft drm designer said: sony can't do anything against that hack.
and the ps3 is doomed articles were everywhere.
they believed a punch of nerds over the console manufacturers themselves. yet Sony owned them hard. I really laughed when a famous hacker said himself Sony re secured the ps3 again. at the end gameplay what matters the most. have fun everyone.

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:39:07 PM
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Verdict: 8.5 Its great period. the campaign frankly is probably the most lengthy out of any shooter thats been released in the last couple of years. took me around 13 hours. Its reasonbly tough on normal difficulty. While the story and enemies arent really all that inspired, the suit is really a thrill to play around with. there are a couple of hang ups all of which jawknee pointed out, but they're really minor. other than that, multiplayer is pretty fun but ive yet to really dive into it yet. i can tell you this, if you like the map sizes of call of duty and the pace, its going to make for an exciting time

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CoolBLKguy
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:40:57 PM
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Articles like this is exactly why I'm switching over to discussing gaming on PS3 only websites and forums. You just don't get this type of unbiased honesty on sites that cover all the platforms. Let's be honest and not sugar coat it, 360 fans and folks who aren't too fond of the PS3 are the only people claiming Crysis 2 has the best visuals on consoles for obvious reasons but they don't really believe that. Crysis 2 does not look better than U2, God of War 3 or KZ2/3 and it doesn't need to either, it looks good on it's own and that's good enough.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 2:55:06 PM

Indeed! Some of the nonsense in the comments over at IGN as well as their review is unbelievable.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:21:45 PM

"Unbiased"... Hehe... Alright. :)

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:31:19 PM

trust me they do believe it. the question i ask you guys is have you seen the 360 version before so quickly dismissing these claims? i made it a point to check it out, and came away very surprised.

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Lairfan
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:05:59 PM

Yeah, like you're not unbiased yourself Beamboom. Always complaining about how everyone should love CoD because its apparently "fun," then saying how people on this site are biased for not liking it.

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SirLoin of Beef
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:52:53 PM

@Excelsior1,

I'm playing the 360 version and agree with what's been said about it not being on par visually with PS3 exclusives. As I've said earlier, it's one of the best looking 360 games out there and from what I've read about the PS3 version, it's probably the best looking multiplat game as well.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 7:24:01 PM

Lair, I have never been going on about cod at all, other than that I have mentioned once that I thought the multiplayer part of them were fun - and that I stand by. I had a blast with world at war. Is that a crime?
But to claim that I have ever told others what they should like is absurd, it goes against everything I believe in.
I'm not a cod advocate at all, but even if I was that would be totally irrelevant for this topic.

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madmike
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:09:53 PM
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ive been playing crysis on xbox 360 and it looks better than killzone 3 on my 32 inch plasma. in my oppinion anyway. has anyone played crysis 2 on both consoles? i read reports of it looking better on 360 but that was before the game launched. i havent found any articles that discuss this

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:18:33 PM

Ive heard people who have played it on both say that it looks better on the PS3 now. I really wish I had a PC that could run this game, but PS3 fine for me.

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Bloodysilence19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:23:35 PM

go to lensoftruth.com and watch the analysis comparison both games actually look almost identical just the ps3 has higher frame-rate drop than 360 but ps3 has no tearing, but 360 does.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:19:53 PM

You may like how it looks better but that doesn't mean it is better.

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sirbob6
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:10:51 PM
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I'm going to go ahead and guess that Ben will give it around a 8.7. Not quite mediocre but not quite Killzone. Anyways a friend did show me the finished product and it did look pretty good, especially for a multiplat, but not exclusive level yet.

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Bloodysilence19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 3:21:21 PM
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for a mulitiplate game crytek did do a great job, but still don’t think its major great looking. the game looks washed out if your not playing it at 720p and the brightness isn’t turned down on the ps3 version. i can say the mp of ps3 version its almost like the demo just tweaked out to look better, so im sure 360 has the upper hand on that. over all the game is actually good looking but no way does it compare to uc2 console version of it. kz3 looks better and so does gow3. most of the heavy hitter exclusive for ps3 looks better than console version of crysis 2. it is the best looking 360 game out until gears of war 3 most likely.

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DjEezzy
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:10:43 PM
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I'm not going to go as far as saying its the best looking multiplat. It does look fantastic though. I've never met so many picky people in my life. The game looks great and its a blast to play. It's fun because it's doesn't feel like a reskinned COD. It's actually a really fresh take on the FPS. I'm enjoying it immensely. And since KZ3 refuses to work for me, i have to give this game the upper hand. Not for graphics but overall package. I've had zero issues with this game. Kz3 on the other hand... Plagued with uber irritating server issues and even single player campaign freezing issues. At least i've been able to replace one great shooter with another great shooter.

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Wissam
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:31:48 PM

Wat. I am playing KZ3 everyday on my ultra slow internet speed. since the last patch the game runs so great. the best fps by far IMO.

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leatherface
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:35:18 PM

@ Dj, sounds like your playing Homefront instead KZ3 lol

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:24:51 PM

There are no server issues. It's either your copy of the game, your PS3, your internet connection or router or you HDD as Underdog explained the other day. I have had a couple of freezing issues in the middle of a round that its really rare.

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FM23
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:57:45 PM

Agreed...though, the patch did fix things. There still lag here or there. KZ3 lost that KZ2 touch though

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:20:14 PM
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listen, i just came from a friends house that has a 360 and i have to admit it looks better. it is sharper, and has a better depth of field on the 360, ps3 version looks blurry, and kind of hazy or washed out in comparison. i hate to admit it, but i'd put the 360 version right up there with kz3. i wonder how many have actually seen it on the 360 before commenting. i would still give kz3 a slight edge but it is almost too close to call.

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:23:14 PM

"i wonder how many have actually seen it on the 360 before commenting"

Unfortunately, probably none. The demo I played on the 360 looked pretty amazing and ended up catching my attention for the game. Probably pick it up later on though.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:08:10 PM

I have. And no, it doesn't top KZ3. In fact, in terms of polish, it really isn't even close.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:20:43 PM

As have I. Not even close to Killzone 3. Even Killzone 2 surpasses it in many ways.

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big6
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:04:16 PM

I just checked the head-to-head comparison on lensoftruth.com and I have to say, I'm quite surprised about the PS3 version.

You may want to check for yourself and see the graphics up close! =)

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SirLoin of Beef
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:55:05 PM

I've played a little KZ3 and am playing the 360 version of Crysis 2. KZ3 looks better.

Crysis 2 looks great but it just doesn't have the chops that KZ3 has.

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Lord carlos
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:40:03 PM
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Glad to hear crysis turned out all right
I'll be getting this on friday
AHAHAHA

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A2K78
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 4:41:17 PM
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"God of War III, GT5, and Uncharted 2 all top Crysis 2."

This is the typical answer for those who don't really want to admit the obvious.

Aside from that, I'm somewhat shocked that after the all the bad-mouthing and anti-Crytek/Crysis rhetoric I see in these discussions people are finally coming to their senses.

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Wissam
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:01:49 PM

And the obvious thing as well the games you mentioned has a higher resolution and no
pops in.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:10:34 PM

So what your saying is that it's obvious that Crysis 2 looks and runs better than another game out their?

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Lairfan
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:15:10 PM

@A2K78:

Are you sure you're not the one who doesn't want to see the obvious here? I mean come on, I've seen the game in action at a friend's house on a good TV, and its pretty obvious to me (and anyone else with eyes, hopefully) that this game is not up to the likes of KZ3, GoW3, or Uncharted 2. Its quite the good-looking multiplat, but better-looking than the exclusives I just mentioned...?

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:21:28 PM

He's in denial. Anything that hes says is actually the opposite of reality.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:38:57 PM

And there is no reason to be "shocked". Some of us are willing and able to admit when we are wrong. Something you NEVER do.

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Bloodysilence19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:34:47 PM

sorry the game don't come close to kz3, gow3, especially uc 2, that's if your talking about the console version. i can give you crysis 2 on the pc over maybe gow3 and kz3, but uc2 its almost or pretty much identical on how they both look visual wise. i badmouth crytek cause when they claimed every time the game is going to look awesome or the best looking ps3 game than release the crappiest demo ever or retail game that looks great but not up to par of other top notch games, of course im going to bad mouth them. to lie to the gaming community say this and that and don't delivery on their part. it shows there not as good as they say they are. there's reason why people say kz3 or uc looks better cause guerrilla and nd back up what they say when they delivery their games.

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Lairfan
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:11:41 PM
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Hmmm...well, that's all fine and dandy that it actually looks good, but from what I'm hearing the story is not what it was cracked up to be by that supposedly incredible sci-fi author. That was the main reason I was looking at a possible buy of this game at all, because I thought it might have a good story with a fairly long campaign that might actually be really immersive. I've heard they did get the fairly long campaign thing right, but as far as the story goes...well, not to reiterate, but I'm not hearing good things.

Well, I've also heard that it has some pretty strategic and fun gameplay (and some cool customization for weapons and your suit), so its worth a rental at the least.

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bigrailer19
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 5:38:55 PM

If your any kind of FPS fan you know story isn't pivotal. In that same regards if your an FPS fan you should look into buying this game.

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Scarecrow
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:16:28 PM
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Could care less about the FPS genre.

Can't wait for White Knight Chronicles in May!

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FM23
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 6:56:11 PM
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Crysis 2 looks very good and I do plan on buying it now since I heard it's different and lasts longer than usual for an FPS, though I don't want to pay full price. You have to wonder, if Crytek made a PS3 exclusive, they might be able to make the best looking game ever. I mean, if you make a game that looks better than most PS3 exclusives...you have some great technology behind you. And I wouldn't consider GT5 graphical superior as GT5 is inconsistent. UC2 and GOWIII were good looking though. THis proves multiplatform developers can make great looking games.

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 8:42:00 PM

i absolutely agree with your comments on gt5. it is way too inconsistent to be considered a polished game.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 12:48:44 AM

You guys clearly haven't played GT5. The only downside comes in the replay sessions where the shadow/smoke isn't as good as it should be. But even that is a minor quirk.

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Ultimate_Balla
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 7:35:38 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks GOWIII has better graphics than Uncharted 2? F.Y.I I finished both these games 4 times, putting in about 35hrs in U2, so i'm not saying the game is wack or anything(I see some people gettin' jumped on for dudes' inability to properly take in information)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 7:50:49 PM

NO you are not alone. I also thought God of War III topped Uncharted 2 in many ways though the camera is fixed in GoW3 so given that Uncharted 2 is quite the achievement.

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Snorge
Friday, March 25, 2011 @ 1:24:31 PM

Not alone at all....I discussed this with a friend as well. I believe GOW3 slightly (EVER SO SLIGHTLY) edges out Uncharted 2 in terms of graphical fidelity!

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Ultimate_Balla
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 7:39:16 PM
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On that Crisis tip; i'm on my phone so I haven't seen any videos of late. If it supports 4-player offline and tonight's reviewer gives it an 8.5-plus, i'll get the game, full-price. :)

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 8:17:17 PM
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Are we ready for a "serious" discussion about this whole multiplat VS exclusive thing? I don't know, but I'm willing to give it a go.

First off, a very few words about my opinion on this subject. I believe it's illogical to claim that multiplats per definition is of lesser quality than exclusive titles. Now please read on before hitting that thumb.

WHAT IS A GAME?
If you all claimed that "the GRAPHICS on an exclusive title is in a class of it's own" then there would be no discussion. But you do not say that. You say that the games, the entire GAMES, are of it's own league. That means the graphics, game mechanics, artificial intelligence, controls, art direction, complexity, playfield designs, the entire production of the game is superior on a platform exclusive.
I'd say the contrary.

And before I continue let me just add that my professional background is from computer programming, mainly developing in java, c(++) and web programming (perl, php, stuff like that). Fairly simple stuff, I'm no "wiz", and I'm not saying this to brag or act elitist, nor do I know development on xbox or ps3. I just want to put into perspective that I have *some* understanding of development in general and cross platform in particular (both through web compatibility and client development mainly for linux and windows, but also for mac).

And to put it simple: Any logarithm *except* code written for the graphics chipsets is pretty much transparent. There may be platform differences in basic stuff like file systems, character encoding and the factual communication with the os to access various hardware/chipsets, also load balancing is a topic, but believe me when I say they are practically transparent. Practically, and no matter what it's *not* a big challenge for an experienced developer. This is simply not a too big issue. Everything that goes on behind the visuals are pure, non platform related number crunching.
It's only when pushing the data onto your screen in a steady, good looking manner that platform focus comes to play. Only then.

EVERY PROJECT HAS A BUDGET
What is a HUUUUUGE, stellar! issue though, is the development budget. I doubt this planet has yet seen a project where the developers found a "big enough" development budget.
And to cut a long story short (I can elaborate on this if necessary): A larger potential market equals potentially larger development budget. And a larger budget equals potentially better AI, better storyline, better game mechanics, better actors, larger campaigns and better level design. Or to put it even simpler:

if ((X-box + PS3) > PS3){
myGame = new betterGame(budget);
} else {
die();
}

WHAT IS A GOOD GAME?
With this in mind it all boils down to one very central question: What makes one game better than the other?

In order for your claim about exclusive titles to hold any truth we *must* rate graphics exceptionally high. *Much* higher than any other factor.
And please note: Some do rate graphics this high! And to those who do I do *not* say they are wrong in doing so. Whatever floats your boat, have fun with your games, enjoy and relax!
What I do say however, is that this then becomes a matter of personal preferences, personal taste, personal opinion, personal valuation.
Therefore, to claim that multiplat productions are universally inferior is plain old WRONG. You simply can't say so.

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:08:15 PM

Thanks for the long, thought out post there BeanBoom, but I'm trying to understand clearly the specific point being made.

I do, btw, like the budget point you made. I'd say many of PS3's top-notch exclusives spared little expense to produce the highest production quality product possible.

As for 360 vs PS3 performance capabilities.it's been confirmed by many game devs in that when the PS3's hardware is harnessed well it can have no equal in terms of processing.

And remember it's Ben's job to critique the "quality" of a game. The best quality shouldn't be translated to a person's most enjoyable game. There's a difference. I played Tomb Raider Underworld last night and enjoyed myself even though I could spot many quality related problems.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:19:01 PM

Long post Beamboom, but seriously flawed.

No, we don't have to rate graphics higher. Baloney we do. There is no multiplatform game that has the OVERALL solidarity and level of polish that games like Uncharted 2, God of War III, MGS4, and Killzone 3 have.

It's about everything. The voice acting in Uncharted 2 is unparalleled, as is the animations and voice syncing during cut-scenes. The third-person control is the best in the business. The AI, balance, and pacing of Killzone 3 is the best in shooters; this has nothing to do with graphics. The storylines in Heavy Rain and MGS4 vastly outstrip most any multiplatform I've seen (although I don't know why; these elements don't have anything to do with hardware power or limitation).

Killzone 3 is better than Crysis 2 for a few reasons, and only one of them is based on graphics. Uncharted 3 will once again set the bar in this industry, and it won't be entirely due to visuals. I'm sorry, but you're dead flat wrong in your assumption.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:19:13 PM

@Temjin: Yes but do we mean "graphics" when we say "quality"? Is it possible to imagine a game that only has good graphics but sucks othervice? If so, is it then right to say that the game is good, objectively speaking, because of it's screen resolution, the details on textures and frame rate?

As for the ps3 hardware I do not want to claim more insight than I do have. I am however pretty confident that with power they *mainly* talk about it's ability to churn out graphics. That is the most continious demanding task for modern game machines, being it pc or consoles.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:27:02 PM

@Ben: I disagree regarding the storylines. Do this mean I am wrong? Also, I think the acting in Uncharted is Good, but I have witnessed just as good in other titles. Am I wrong then? Or are we now talking about subjective values that bottom lines are a question of opinion and preferences?

It does not make your job as a reviewer less important, nor do it make your experience lesser relevant. But to say that a platform exclusive title is *better*, the universially label BETTER, than software developed for several platforms, to establish that as a rule, well I think that lack a technical, rational explanation.

But just to be crystal clear on this: Of COURSE there are piles of pure TRASH released as multi plat. Where there is a huge market there will be those who try to pull an "easy money" stunt. The bigger the market, the more bandidos. What we talk about here, is the theoretical potential of a title.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:31:40 PM

If you don't want to deal with any subjective stuff at all, then look at the other technical elements-

I will say, without any hesitation, that exclusives have far less in the way of glitches or other technical problems. It's not that the games I listed are better in other ways, it's also that they're completely 100% solid. Crysis 2 has well-documented glitches, as does just about EVERY big multiplatform game. The exclusives everyone talks about? I've never had one freeze; I've never had one do silly things we see in other games.

The bottom line is that I've played more games than most any gamer alive this generation, and I've seen it all. I can easily make the comparison, and I can tell you for a fact - opinion aside - that, at least in terms of technical elements (and I also believe the artistic elements in exclusives are better, too), there's a completeness, polish, and solidarity to exclusive projects that is UNIQUE to those projects.

But believe what you want. Seems to me you're hell-bent on refusing to accept obvious facts just so you can appear unbiased. There IS black and white in this industry, you know. It's not necessary to always live in a gray area and think "opinion" rules all.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:59:20 PM

I believe you are right in that the least bugs and technical issues are found on the exclusives, that makes perfect sense too.

But I'm not hell-bent on anything. I have been confused by this from the moment I entered the playstation sphere, struggling to make any sense of it, both from a personal and technical perspective.

When I look back on these years and browse through my games collection I simply do not find this apparent difference. My best co-op game has been multi. My FOUR best RPGs has been multi. My best fps has been multi. My best LOOKING game has been exclusive.
My most memorable gaming moments are evenly spread over a mix of multi and exclusives.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 10:11:49 PM

Beamboom, you are arguing on the basis that everything is universal and subjective. Ben is not. He laid out obvious facts as to why exclusives are better and you continue to rebut the facts with your personal preference. This really isn't an argument your going to win unless you can come up with concrete facts to back up your claims.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 10:14:09 PM

... Or we can take the statistical approach:

Amongst last years 30 highest ranked games, 4 of them are exclusives, the remaining 26 are multiplats. #1 Top rated is multiplat.

Of 30 highest rated ps3 games of all time, 6 are exclusives, the remaining 24 are multiplats. #1 Top rated is multiplat.
(source: gamerankings com)

Of course, there are much more multiplats released than exclusives, but these are the closest to objective ranking we can get of the BEST of them all.
And still I see no *obvious* sign that exclusives are in a league of their own.

(hehe I wrote this while you posted yours, Jawk. But I do not really think I have any chance of "winning" anything at all, I just want to explain myself, cause I'm slightly tired of the namecalling and downthumbs and partially respectless treatment I think that I receive because of expressing these opinions. I'm not a complete jerk. I just see things differently, and now I explain how.)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 10:26:45 PM

Agreed. While you and I have had our share of banter, just know it was nothing personal. Just one guy giving another guy a hard time. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:33:19 PM

The stats are meaningless because 99% of all games released are multiplatform.

If you want anecdotal evidence, fine: if I were to name the best games of the generation, most of them would be exclusives.

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
inFamous
Gears of War
Gears of War 2
Halo: Reach
Heavy Rain
Alan Wake
Gran Turismo 5
Killzone 2
Killzone 3
LittleBigPlanet
LittleBigPlanet 2
MLB (most any year): The Show
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Demon's Souls
God of War III

Now, I fail to see how that's not the cream of the crop. I fail to see how even the best multiplats - GTAIV, Assassin's Creed, Battlfield, Crysis 2, Red Dead Redemption, Dead Space, etc. - can compete with that. Let's try to be logical.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:54:19 PM

Who's talking opinions now?
It's not *meaningless* when the TOP rated game is multiplat, both for last year, for all years, if you go to 2010, the list for 2009...
We are not talking about mass/majority here, there can be one million other titles behind it, we talk about the single best titles. The best productions.
If we limit the scope to top-5, there were at least 5 exclusives any year and the bottom line is that of the top 5 titles, across the entire time line, typically at least THREE of them are multiplat. Create a top ten list (there are 10 exclusives any year, right?) you'll find that typically seven of them are multiplats. These are stats that simply can not be denied!
There could be just ONE exclusive any given year. As long as there are multiplats above it, those multiplat games are better (according to these stats).
You can't just dismiss these facts and replace it with your personal top ten list...! ("I reject your reality, and substitute my own.":p)

We can start talking math and stats and totally get lost in the finer details here, but there can not be any other conclusion than from a statistical point of view, taking the entire worlds (well, not really but a lot of them) reviewers validations into account we can not detect any conclusive facts amongst this source material that go in the exclusives advantage.
We can agree on not agreeing, but at least you have to admit that these stats do *not* show the exclusives to be such a league of their own.

Last edited by Beamboom on 3/24/2011 12:04:00 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 12:42:37 AM

Yeah. Makes perfect sense to combine the empirical statistics of numbers with the opinions (a word you love so much) of a hundred critics. You like statistics so much; shouldn't you know that the only way your ridiculous conclusion holds any water is if every single critic had the exact same preferences and every source weighted the exact same elements in exactly the same way...? Or do you just gloss that over for the sake of your determined fallacy?

Makes perfect sense. Really. Or, you can take the top 10 exclusives from all platforms and the top 10 multiplats, and ask just about any critic or developer or insider to pick one group or the other.

No matter how you slice this, you're wrong. It's not a difference of opinion. You can accept that or not. I really don't care anymore.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 3/24/2011 12:43:49 AM

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 12:55:53 AM

Dont be so angry? It's not a question of life and death, this. No need to get upset.

I just don't understand you. You are saying that the collective scores ranked like on these sites means nothing, and that if I had taken the mentioned games, sorted them in two groups and gone to every reviewer individually that has delivered ratings to metacritic & co, then the outcome would be different?
If so, what do that say about reviews and ratings in general?

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Temjin001
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 1:55:59 AM

I probably shouldn't post because this isn't really my argument. But BeanBoom don't you think by way of quality related issues a multiplatform by nature would be more prone to technical problems compared to a game that's made all under one roof? I can't really say because about 3/4 of my games are exclusives. But not to be too much of a butt face, I've had KZ3 lock up on me 2x or more. I also seem to recall getting stuck beneath the surface of the road in inFamous. It was good for a laugh at least =p
BUt like I stated already, the majority of what I play are exclusives so I don't have enough experience to really know or observe a clear difference in quality control. Tekken 6 plays great. I know that =)

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 2:06:28 AM

"more prone to technical problems compared to a game that's made all under one roof" - yes absolutely, I definitely agree with that. It makes perfect sense from a technical point of view. This is a good argument for exclusive titles. I still don't think it's a *major* argument, the difference, in my experience, is not *that* huge. It's not like the multiplats all crash continously while, like you point out, the exclusives run smooth like silk.

My collection of ps3 titles consist of a total of approx 60-70 titles or thereabouts. The exclusives, obviously, are in a minority. I do however have many of the "usual suspects", Heavy Rain, Uncharted 1&2, a couple of Ratchet&Clank, MGS, KZ2 (not 3), LBP, FFXIII, inFamous, Heavenly Sword... That I can think of right now (not close to my ps3 atm).

It's not like I really *want* one or the other to be "better", this is not a football match. I just find a mismatch between my personal observations based on my own gaming experience, and the widely accepted opinion on this site. It fascinates me. Makes me wonder.

The odds are against me and my impressions. You all have at *least* as many games as me and played just as many titles. Therefore, all logic tells me that you have realized something I have not.
However, being as fact oriented as I am, I just find no objective evidence that support that there is this major difference. Not when all is taken into account.

And if there are no technical, logical reason for why the actors should be any better on exclusive titles, the stories should be better, the campaigns longer, the game mechanics cooler, the art works more stunning, the audio be crisper, the arrangements more creative, the atmospheres be more intense... If there are no technical, economical or other reason why all these multiple little parts that makes a game should be any better... If they are, then why? What mechanics are at work here?

Last edited by Beamboom on 3/24/2011 2:27:15 AM

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Temjin001
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 2:24:55 AM

BeamBoom, I'd imagine most gamers aren't as acutely aware of these things as those who really take the time to pay attention to those differences. And really, if playing games comes down to enjoyment, then maybe just play what you know you like and value what you've liked most and not worry about where something ranks on a "quality" meter. That's Ben's job. You don't have to worry about critiquing games. Most of us gamers just turn the game on and experience the stuff. Whether, or not, one game has more pop-in or a little less detailed graphics I think is generally small potatoes when taking experiences in as a whole. When I play Lost Odyssey I see bucket loads of things that are really dated by today's standards but the game is still a joy to play. And probably moreso than other games that are higher quality. There's more at play than quality alone.

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 6:10:06 AM

You should not necessarily take a person who is more occupied with accusing his fellow discussion partners for all kinds of names than actually providing anything to the discussion too seriously. He's just one guy with his opinions as a decades long follower of Sony. His aggressive way of slamming his undocumented "facts" into your face reminds more of someone with no case than a strong case.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 10:17:04 AM

No one called you names. No one insulted you. I simply said you were wrong.

YOU are the one that didn't even bother to respond to my last post, but instead decided to get personal. You couldn't address what I said because you and your statistics-loving theory was proven crucially flawed. Then you ADMIT this is all based on YOUR personal preference, ADMIT it doesn't jive with anyone's outlook, desperately try to back it up with stats that can't be used for STATISTICAL reasons I noted above, and continue to think you're the "unbiased" one? ...right.

You also made implications about me, when you know nothing about me at all. "Decades-long follower?" You know that how? Do you have any clue about my gaming history? No? None? Then shut it. Did I make any such personal assumption about you? And who made a post as long as a book, loaded with the ego the size of California, telling everyone they're wrong, when NOBODY agrees with you?

So knock it off. You seem to think you're the arbiter of "unbiased" views and you also seem to think you know more about everything than everyone else. You're going to lecture everyone on how multiplats are just as good as exclusives, which of course makes absolutely no sense. No more lecturing. Got it?

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 3/24/2011 10:21:56 AM

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 11:25:54 AM

....Ouch. I think we all can agree to disagree.

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Beamboom
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 2:52:15 PM

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MadKatBebop
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 8:46:56 PM
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Will there be a review soon?

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Temjin001
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:13:15 PM

yes, tonight

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bluedarrk
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 8:56:47 PM
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all I want to know is Crysis 2 worth buying for the PS3?

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 8:57:27 PM

If you like shooters, yes.

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Shams
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:17:53 PM

Last night, I got yet another smokin' deal from KMart: Crysis 2, with $10 reward points (spent towards Yakuza3 costing me only $5), and a $50 psn card for only $20. Basically I got Crysis 2 on release date for $30.

Tip: Turn off 1080p in your PS3 settings when playing C2. Unlike other games, it will automatically upscale to 1080p which hurts the response time.

Also, pop in KZ3 if one has it. It's clear that Crysis 2 is more comparable to something like DeadSpace 2 than to KZ3, U2, or even R2, once one checks out the aforementioned titles in action.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 10:16:41 PM

Indeed Shams. Also I think it's important to mention that Crysis 2 takes an obvious graphical hit in it's multiplayer. Killzone 2, 3 and Uncharted 2 are the only games I have seen this gen that look just as good in their multiplayer modes as they do in their single player.

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 9:33:27 PM
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So ben i have to ask... You say Kz3 is better than crysis 2, which i dont doubt that the reasons you would have can be easily justified. The characters i assume are more inspired as well the graphics more polished. I haven't played kz3 but I beat kz2 and have beat crysis 2 and I can say I enjoyed crysis a lot more than killzone i just thought it was more explosive, longer, and the unscripted missions were what really allowed me to get creative. So i want to know, at the end of the day, which was more enjoyable or, which was more of a blast to play? regardless of the technicalities

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 @ 11:27:37 PM

Crysis 2 is certainly longer and more open, but it also frustrated me far more often. The glitches got to me, and the pacing wasn't as good.

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___________
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 3:03:22 AM
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thanks for stating the obvious!
of course ps3 exclusives are going to be better then multiplatform games!

1 they normally have a larger budget.

2 they normally have more experienced teams.

3 they have tools other developers do not have.

4 no one knows the ps3 better then sony, they only lend there engineers to first party studios so they get help others dont.

5 if your first party you dont have to worry about will this work on other platforms?
as crytek said a while ago if its not going to scale down for consoles its not going into the PC version.
if your focusing on only one platform if it works it works you dont have to worry about anything else!

6 first party studios are generally much larger then multiplatform studios.

7 more time.
if your first party most games get say 3 years of development time so that means 3 years to get 1 copy of the game working.
if your MP either your teams smaller because you split it up one for PC one for ps3 and one for 360.
or you dedicate same amounts of time to one version then move onto another then move onto the last.
you get allot more polishing time if your exclusive appose to multi because you only have one product to perfect appose to 2 or 3.

8 they normally get a much larger development time.
sonys allot more relaxed in time frames, budget, and how risky a game is.
sonys allot more relaxed in how long it takes to get games out, you really think EA would of given the guys doing shift 2 5 years if they asked for it?
even if they DEMANDED it?
allot of publishers wont do a game if its risky or if they cant see a market for it.
sony on the other hand are much more likely to take the plunge then others.

in other news the sky is blue, water is wet, and cows go moo!

i doubt will ever get a MP game that runs with the best ps3 exclusives simply because of what i stated above, they just dont have the tools, engines, equipment, budget and time first party studios get.

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Fabi
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 10:55:32 AM
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I think the two exclusive games that had the lowest quality graphics have been Resistance and Infamous.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 24, 2011 @ 11:26:43 AM

Actually inFamous is one if the best looking and best performing open world games on the market. The draw distance is amazing.

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