Woah, Let's Keep This Sophisticated
See Full ImageIt's the only phrase - stolen directly from "Seinfeld" - I can think of when jumping online.
I don't do it often but when I do, I typically don't even use my headset these days. While some will say the Xbox Live contingent is more immature than the PlayStation Network or PC online crowd, the fact remains that civility isn't often a common trait anywhere. Given the many, many strides we've taken in this industry, and considering the fact that we are involved in a legitimate form of entertainment that desperately needs a better reputation, this type of behavior can only hurt us. Thankfully, those in the mainstream group that continue to stereotype gamers aren't aware of this ugly trend...if they were, we'd never hear the end of it.
And I don't blame any specific game; in fact, this doesn't really have anything to do with video games. This is more about what happens when adolescents and woefully underdeveloped "adults" are allowed to compete and interact under a blanket of near-perfect anonymity. Psychologically speaking, it's one mass superiority complex and a social deficiency that apparently turns the majority of participants into raving idiots. I don't wonder at all that female gamers have to remain mute, nor am I surprised when I hear people say they simply won't play with anyone they don't know. I'm just wondering if, given the multiplayer boom, the online community will ever grow up.
Maybe with the ever-increasing average age of the gamer, that growth process is inevitable. I'd like to think it is. I'd also like to think parents might start being parents at some point, and restrict the playing of "M"-rated games online with complete strangers. He'll learn all sorts of things; none of which are pleasant. The bottom line is that the games can make all the strides they want; unless those who play them look up words like "dignity" and "sportsmanship" in the dictionary, the reputation of video games - and gamers - will remain mired in the muck.
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3/30/2011 9:10:57 PM Ben Dutka
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Beamboom
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:39:00 AM
I've played a lot online over the years. And of course you find exceptions amongst the adults but usually it is a teen that makes the gaming experience bloody annoying, with their bragging and immature behavior (naturally... :D ).
And you mention PC with admins etc, and you hit the nail on the head there.
On the pc platform, where we have a lot more options regarding running a server, customizing the game play and administrating access, communities can much easier get established. Getting "inside" one of those communities and a completely different world unfolds.
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BIGRED15
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:02:44 PM
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The esrb is around and for good reason for me, I am also an exception to a rule im the one who was, while living with parentals, was not allowed to endulge in a rated M experience in fact the 1st m game I played was GTA vice city and the 1st one I owned was resistance. While M games dont effect me now, its mainly because of my parents and id hate to say it, but im thankful that they restricted me because looking back and looking at kids that are unrestricted, i dont want to be know as some stupid loud mouth unfiltered kid that no one wants to play with.
I have played with kids that are perfectly fine and easy to cooperate with but then there have been other instances that arent so great. I played against some dolt on midnight club who couldn't help but make fun of my user name in the most irrelevent ways possible. Back when i played lost planet there was this kid that I loved to just terrorize because he was all over the map when he ran his mouth and it made for a good time. I will say that the instances that i run into these kids are few aand far between matches that it doesn't even matter so it really doesn't have as much of an effect on me on ps3 as it might if I owned a 360.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:03:39 PM
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The biggest problem is that if you give young people an impersonal platform upon which to grandstand with no repercussions it will result in disaster.
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laxpro2001
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:07:30 PM
Also not to be "that guy" but in some cases their are consequences as I'm sure you've heard of the occasional idiot trash talker gives address out and kid actually shows up and retaliates.
But yea def agree 100%
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laxpro2001
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:04:59 PM
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It actually annoys me because I see myself getting frustrated over a game when it really means absolutely nothing in RL. I respond to those who trash talk which annoys me even more because there is no reason to.
My competitive nature is really to blame, though I'm a lot more O.K. with losing to someone next to me.
I think you hit the nail on the head that its not th game but rather the users. Also these immature users are a lot fewer in number than they seem but you can often count on one to be in each game.
It also ruins the chance of having a conversation with someone because often times if I enter a lobby and hear (c)rap "music" playing the background I silence everyone if i can't single out the person because I just don't want to hear that garbage and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
It's like the saying goes, 1 bad apple spoils the bunch... or something like that
One last note. There have been some occasions where I not only made friends with ppl while playing online, but I was often losing in many cases, though these situations are often too rare.
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Riku994
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:11:29 PM
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On Uncharted 2, come on guys, I'm not like that >_>
But seriously, most guys online can be pretty big dicks, (btw I'm actually watching Seinfeld as I type this) but there are the select few of us that can control ourselves. Not gunna lie though, I was really expecting a funny story in this article.
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tes37
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:14:26 PM
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My brief online experience is not enough for me to draw any definite conclusions, but the atmosphere with the crowd in WKC was a lot more pleasant.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:04:20 PM
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sirbob6
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 1:02:48 AM
Then you have never seen my RPG-gamer friends. Things get pretty brutal over what build is better. Then there is my D&D buddies. *shudders* Never, ever debate over anything, EVER!
But yeah, RPGers usually keep things classy.
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kraygen
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:17:09 PM
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No one wants to work as a team, everyone is out for themselves. I hear people complain all the time that no one uses a mike on psn, but every time I get on with mine, all I hear is trash.
I've been cursed up and down for warning someone that they were about to be stabbed in the back. I don't usually see a point in using my headset, because apparently all they're good for is foul language and verbal abuse.
Only good experience I've ever had with online play. White Knight Chronicles. I headset up for that game every time.
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tes37
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:26:17 PM
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kraygen
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:58:59 AM
White Knight is a great game for using a headset.
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Qubex
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:17:25 PM
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Just wonderful Ben... LOL!
Quantic Dreams, and a few others, are trying desperately to hoist aloft the flag of innovation... whilst the commercialism of the men in suits continue to demand a soup of fast cash and twich gaming experiences, with the net effect being the dumbing down of the gaming industry and the users themselves...
What I say though, if it is fun for the individual concerned, should they really care...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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Jawknee
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:26:32 PM
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PasteNuggs
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:36:01 PM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:15:39 AM
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kraygen
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:59:56 AM
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PasteNuggs
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:35:20 PM
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My son likes to play COD online and when he gets going on a killstreak he always says the same saying, "Rollin like a big shot". He doesn't direct it at anybody and is just playing but then I start hearing adults, some who are on his team during team deathmatch start yelling at him, calling him all sorts of names and just be general d*cks because he is a kid. It's basically come to the point where he turns on his mic and just sets it down so he can't hear it at all.
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LittleBigMidget
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:38:20 PM
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Alienange
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:52:44 PM
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The people with the biggest problems in mp matches are the ones who are stuck-up and can't handle a ribbing.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:00:44 PM
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PasteNuggs
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:07:07 PM
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Underdog15
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:14:45 PM
^-- most common and most annoying "ribbing" I ever hear. If that kind of obnoxious juvenile slander is your version of "ribbing", you (referring to the people who prefer this type of joshing) can kindly keep that in the gutter next to your personal diaper bin your mom bought you. I'm sure I've never heard your version of "ribbing" online. And if what I mentioned is what you're referring to... I'm quite positive we won't ever be agreeing on this.
Perhaps you're just FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR luckier than I am in the conversations you hear online, or maybe it's just that I don't have time to listen to your version of what is actually a poor and uncreative pot-shot.
Some of us have standards we like to live up to. It's not about "not being able to take it"; it's about being better than the ribbing... having the ability to rise above that collegiate nonsense.
Imagine... having the decency to talk to a person you don't know like a... uh... person. I joke and prod my buddies all the time, and vice versa... but in public, people just think you're an idiot if you try to land pot-shots on people you don't know. Especially since, chances are, they don't share the same type of humor you do.
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:31:35 PM
HA, that reminds me, I've only received one message(that I thought was comical) that was while I was playing KZ3's Warfare mode.
I shot many enemies who were fleeing me, but one in particular must have not liked it too much because when I opened up the message, here's what he had wrote...
"You shot me in the back, YOU COWARD".
Well, I laughed my a$$ off & then deleted it.
But it's a shame that I didn't think to save it so I'd remember his username, cause I could have really had some wicked fun just chasing his Johnson & Johnson talcum-powdered butt all over the frigging map.
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kraygen
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 3:02:24 AM
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LittleBigMidget
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 10:57:40 PM
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Excelsior1
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:07:12 PM
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it is the anomity of the internet that cuases some to act out. people are a little bolder on the internet when they know nobody knows who they are. others seem to be a little too much into the game. most of it is harmless banter that i think makes the session more lively.
it's not going anywhere, and there is always the mute button for those who need it. it is not always bad becuase i've had some great conversations with my fellow gamers. a lot of good times for the most part. i enjoy talking with my fellow gamers, and really wished more used a mic on psn.
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RadioHeader
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 4:26:43 AM
I prefer PSN the way it is. The less mics there are, the less chance there is of listening to someone whom you wouldn't normally give the time of day.
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Scarecrow
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:08:42 PM
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I always mute mics and don't bother with FPS multiplayer sessions.
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BIGRED15
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:10:12 PM
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Nlayer
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:15:58 PM
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It takes me awhile to get good at a game, so if I don't start playing the game online on its release day then I'll be hated and looked down upon for not knowing what to do.
Even with MAG; I'm so very scared to play Domination because I fear someone will get pissed at me.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:08:46 AM
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BikerSaint
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:17:08 PM
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But after hearing 2 tweens at 3 in the morning(yes, I said 3 AM) going at it with each other **your mama sucks this, your mama does ___, ETC**, and then the very next morning(6AM) some little white 8 year old racist ankle-biter was talking some serious racial trash at a black man(just because he was black), I just got so disgusted that I unplugged my mic & I haven't used it since.
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THEVERDIN
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:19:20 PM
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elass0wyp0
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:35:35 AM
Pointless stat tracking creates a competitive drive in a generation that has never heard the word no. They grew up playing soccer games where no one keeps score so feelings aren't hurt and then throw themselves into simulated competitive testosterone inducing moments and are expected to react favorably. They don't know how to be a good loser and lash out verbally.
This topic is a dead horse, circa 2001.
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CoolBLKguy
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 11:38:35 PM
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:00:59 AM
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CoolBLKguy
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 3:47:13 AM
Random but relevant story, I bought another 360 earlier this year and picked up Gears 2 and some other games. My very first match online in Gears 2 I got blasted with n-bombs. I laughed and shook my head because it was just funny to me to experience that in my very first match online.
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Scarecrow
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:29:54 AM
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 3:54:00 PM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 5:55:21 PM
Not about America, specifically, but about 1st world culture in general. I assure you it has nothing to do with America specifically. The same thing occurs in England, Canada, and most any other English speaking 1st world country. It's a byproduct of other problems in culture.
And like crow said, it's not everyone. Some people are still raised well. But I think quality is now (and likely has always been) in the minority.
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 8:00:29 PM
Also it's the wrong assumption to make considering the fact that gamers are a minority in any country and an even smaller number have mics and are willing to trash talk the way they do over the internet. So I completely disagree that a few racists idiot's who hide behind their mics on PSN or LIVE are a reflection of the country or society as a whole. US, England or Canada.
A majority of the fools I hear spouting racist non-sense online are the same fools who can't speak proper English because they have substituted it for Ebonics. They are hardly a representation of the United States as a whole.
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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:06:11 PM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:35:22 AM
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You don't even have to have a mic to hear some seriously f*cked up sh*t going on. I still hear some of them coming out my TV's stereo speakers
Until my PS3 just died I used to marathon KZ3's Warfare mode so I'd be playing up to 36 hours at a sitting.
So I usually only heard the crap late, between the hours of 3:30AM to around 6AM when most ankle-biters should still have been in bed sucking on their pacifiers.
I can't believe their parents let them keep their consoles in the bedroom & then not even checking in on their well being, thereby catching them in the act that they've been sneaking on & gaming at all hours of the night.
My kid would have been grounded from his console & all games for at least 6 months, and also take his mic away......"FOREVER".
Plus, if & when I finally felt they were responsible to get their console back, it would have to go in a common area of the house(no bedroom!!!) that I could see at all times.
And then only allowed on during certain hours or the cord will be removed & hidden.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 1:06:38 AM
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WolfCrimson
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:04:06 AM
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:18:20 AM
So, no, Killa, not busted. His stories still check out.
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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 5:58:34 PM
That was all ancient history.....
True dat, I had never played any kind of online in all my generations of gaming, but I decided to finally jump into the 21st century with both feet on that KZ3 MP beta.
And now because of Guerrilla Games, they've shamelessly turned me out, into a Grade-A KZ "Warfare" & "Operations" MP whore, getting down by making Brigade General with 640,000XP in only 66 hours into the game on my first couple weeks. And I'd probably have 2 million XP by now if my PS3 hadn't decided to frigging red light me about 11 hours in during my last marathon. My fan started running super-fast & then my PS3 threw me off the game & died.
And now I can't play KZ3 again till I get some extra $$, around July.
So now, I'm just sitting here so antsy to get back to playing it, and I'd wind up selling my soul & Demon Dog back to the Devil(yeah, like he'd really take that Drano-filled syringe -wielding, instigator back), just so I could get back to KZ3's MP.
And with a l-o-o-o-o-n-g a$$'ed 92 days still left to go till I can salvage my PS3 (KZ3 disc still stuck inside), I'm gonna need a 12-step program just to wean me till July get's here.
AARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:05:05 PM
Yes, you for one sir, have stayed current & are correct.
1 thumbs up & a white chocolate chip macadamia nut cookie for you!
Oh....you're not allergic to nuts(the planted kind) are you???? LMAO
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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:46:44 AM
Funny story... I bought a can of mixed nuts this week, as I usually do, to snack on at work. I noticed on the "ingredients" at the bottom, there was a warning.... "Caution: May contain Nuts". Well.... I thought to myself... good!
Anyways, so what are you doing now BikerSaint? Playing the ol' PS2? Still good gaming to be had on that!
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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 12:48:56 AM
Yeah, I saw that same warning on my can too & just had to LMFAO.
Just like McDonalds having to put their Warning:hot coffee on all their containers.
Unfortunately, it's due to all of the greedy worthless entitlement pukes who would rather blame & sue, than use one iota of common sense.
As for my gaming, my PS3 & KZ3 have spoiled me so much, that I haven't been able to enjoy any gaming since, even though I been trying to finish Splinter Cell: Conviction & a a few other 360 games I enjoyed in the past. But honestly, It's just hasn't been the same & I'm not getting the same thrill anymore.
Since I have spent 130+ hours & many marathons playing GTA4 on my 360, I'm going to try to finish it up, plus do the Gay Tony & L&TD episodes. But if it doesn't grab me like it did before, then I'm doing playing altogether till my princess is back. I'll just quadruple my Netflix worth by watching 6 to 8 movies a day till then.
I'm homesick & heartbroken all at the same time that my PS3 princess has lost her pulse.
But I've been checking out Gofermod's LLC last week(somebody else posted on it up above), & it looks like they'll fix your PS3 anywhere from $30 to $130 depending on what's wrong with it(it will $69.99 to fix mine), with a 1-2 day turnaround, nothing is erased from your hard-drive, & they guarantee that you'll get any stuck game back.
Here's their site.....
http://www.gophermods.com/index.php
So I'm going to give them a call on Monday with a few questions & if I like what I hear, I might just send it to them next week, so I can get back to playing KZ3 MP mode again, like ASAP.
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VampDeLeon
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:52:11 AM
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sirbob6
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 1:11:42 AM
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Now I have no idea what parents would put up with the crap their spawn says online. Especially since they are most likely paying for it.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 1:26:20 AM
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___________
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:48:31 AM
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i think a few posts here have proven that!
gone are the days where you could speak your mind without having insults flung at you left right and center!
just makes it feel like everyone online is under the age of 10!
ISPs should make a new rule, make it illegal to be under the age of 18 and be online!
i know, impossible to enforce but still.
one can dream!
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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:05:39 AM
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It's not until 2 weeks ago that I started playing Uncharted 2 online with my friends, and we always use our headsets when playing. It's just fun that way. I sometimes try playing competitive modes, but it's kinda sad that not a lot of players use headsets to play. Thankfully though, I am yet to encounter a player that says nasty stuff like there's no tomorrow in the very short time that I played Uncharted 2.
That reminds me, do any of you guys still play Uncharted 2 online? I sometimes wonder if I've been playing with some of you folks and thought that it would be cool.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:36:04 AM
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ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:49:18 AM
I'd add you on my PSN friends list just in case you felt like playing some Uncharted 2 (and of course, if you do not mind me adding you). Besides, I'm pretty sure you'd be playing Uncharted 3 once that comes out. Haha!
And yeah, I find it hard playing a co-op game without a headset. When I play with random people online, I find it hard to complete the survival mode to round 10. Sure I could use my headset and tell them stuff anyway, but it still seemed very stupid to me (not to mention they may not like me telling them stuff too).
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 7:26:04 AM
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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:18:52 PM
Yup, that would be the one & only.
Were you that pesty sniper in one of the windows in the Blvd mode of Warfare??
I won't tell all my tactics, but I usually find different routes to take out someone who constantly kills me, but once in a great while I go on a mission to avenge some paybacks & I'll go all-out straight-forward gung-ho to overpower him with a little payback. And I'm not afraid to die 7 or 8 times trying, but over time, I usually finally do get him back so he'll think about moving somewhere else.
Maybe that's why I only wound up with a 64 K/D ratio, LOL
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Wissam
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:15:26 AM
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 4:00:19 PM
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Wissam
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 4:29:27 PM
wear them. I put them beside my TV.and I know I can mute other players.
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Cesar_ser_4
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 8:02:29 AM
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Gone
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:01:46 AM
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Specific
Hurtful
Accents
Frequency
Tijuana
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BikerSaint
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 6:26:34 PM
They're only going to instigate more ankle-biters, tweens, ignorant adolescents, & the 1/2 brain celled adults to start smack talking, if they haven't already.
It's Sony's worst campaign of the century.
(I DO love all your other works though)
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Xplaced
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:18:40 AM
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Medal of Honor had it right. You can select "Friends Only" when playing that game and you don't have to hear anyone else. It's the only MP game I've played on PSN that had that option though.
If it is a multiplatform MP game, my friends and I all get it on Xbox just so we can chat in peace. I'd rather use the PS3 for everything, but with a lack of party chat it just isn't feasible to do and have as fun a time.
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:40:17 PM
For now, though, I don't find it much of a hassle to just mute everyone I don't want to talk to. Doesn't really take any time.
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Excelsior1
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 1:31:46 PM
i absolutely agree. online is just not as good on psn, becuase it lacks the streamlined features of live. my friends won't even consider the ps3 version for the exact same reasons.
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Underdog15
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:43:31 PM
Also, there's nothing "streamlined" about a chat feature.
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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 4:05:03 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 4:34:36 PM
The differences between the two services are almost negligible these days.
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SSRGohan
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 2:37:43 PM
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Lairfan
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 7:55:26 PM
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I do hope you're right about it getting better as gamers age Ben. Otherwise, I don't think I'll play online at all in the future.
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LimitedVertigo
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 @ 9:59:25 PM
I don't think it has so much to do with age as the fact that gamers are behind a mic and a monitor and thus they're able to act in such a way they wouldn't normally do if everyone was in the same room.