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Report: PS3 Tops 360 In Global Active Console Race

There are many ways to interpret sales figures, especially when it comes to worldwide products with a wide range of features.

According to new research released by Strategy Analytics' Connected Home Devices Service, the PlayStation 3 has surpassed the Xbox 360 "to become the number two TV console worldwide by the end of 2010." The report is entitled, "Global TV Games Console Forecast: Will New Sensor Technology Revive the Demand?" and it presents the numbers as follows: the active installed base of the PS3 reached 43.4 million, which just tops the Xbox 360's 42.9 million. Unsurprisingly, the Nintendo Wii remains in the top spot, with 75.5 million active devices. Said Strategy Analytics' Digital Consumer Practice Senior Analyst Jia Wu:

"While the Kinect peripheral has given a boost to Microsoft’s Xbox 360 strategy, the console’s performance outside of the US continues to disappoint. Global demand for Sony’s PS3 has exceeded that of the Xbox 360 in each of the past two years, and we expect that to continue over the coming years."

The report further makes a prediction for the current year, saying global sales of the 360 will increase to 13.7 million, while the PS3 will expand even further to 15.7 million. The expectation is that the Wii's decline will continue, with overall sales falling to 10 million. For the record, they also predict that Nintendo will launch a successor to the Wii before the start of 2013.

The console race is in an interesting position, isn't it? In terms of overall sales, the PS3 has also surpassed the 360 in Europe.

Tags: ps3, playstation 3, xbox 360, games industry

3/31/2011 8:58:25 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (125 posts)

PasteNuggs
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:11:07 PM
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Saw this in the amazon forums. It really got the 360 fanboys riled up. One claimed the 360 has sold 103 million worldwide and used ign as a source. Like really? Those forums are good for a laugh.

This is really good. Finally the superior console is getting the attention from consumers it deserves.

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Qubex
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 3:23:27 AM

"One claimed the 360 has sold 103 million worldwide"... who he was needs to have his head read!

Sad indeed... nice to see the PS3 forging ahead though :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:14:50 AM

Lol the 360 will never have that many sales even if they add in the first xbox.

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CrusaderForever
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:32:37 PM
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I am not surprised!! That margin will grow because of the incredible 2011 line up! I have a Wii and played it twice in 2010, so there you go. PS3 gets used daily! :)

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:18:26 AM

If Sony does a $50.00 price cut this year, the 360 is as good as dead.

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sirbob6
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:36:10 PM
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This is when the xbots start to go into denial...

...again

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:05:38 PM

Just a 5 step process that eventually ends in acceptance...

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Cesar_ser_4
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:36:13 AM

1st step: "does not compute"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:36:24 PM
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Well, yeah, about a third of all 360's sold can currently be listed under "scrap plastic" on craig's list.

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:18:54 AM

Lol lol lol @ scrap plastic.

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FxTales
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:37:16 PM
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Well it's always been number 1 to me.

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Quincho
Tuesday, April 05, 2011 @ 10:08:21 PM

#1 in my heart, since PS1

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:48:34 PM
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There you go Temji! The day has finally come. :)

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Temjin001
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:57:47 PM

Faulty hardware and hokey Kinect peripherals are no match for a good PS3 at your side, kid.

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Lord carlos
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:14:56 AM

'An elegant console for a more civilized age'

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SvenMD
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 5:46:55 AM

Temjin that is a great Star Wars reference....well done!

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mexgeo86
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:55:24 PM
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To quote Jack Tretton "It's all about the software" and over the last couple of years (and going forward) the ps3 exclusives keep reaching out to new genres and better experiences. Sony knew this was a marathon and not a sprint.

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hellish_devil
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 9:56:49 PM
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Well, many people buy a PS3 just because of its BluRay and Netflix capabilities. And also many people bought 3 or 4 360s because of the RROD.

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thj_1980
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:22:41 PM
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Anyone wanna throw a party? I feel like smashing xbox 360s And opening new ps3s to celebrate!!

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Qubex
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 3:24:26 AM

Now now... easy tiger!

Good kitty...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ace_boon_coon
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:16:41 AM

Lol let's make sure those xbox are used so we don't give M$ anymore sales.

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thj_1980
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:35:13 PM

EAT SHIT XBOX 360!

MOVE OUT OF THE WAY KINECT!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oxvial
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:32:04 PM
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It would be wrong if not, it's the hd console that is releasing exclusive games this year.

You like gaming and don't own a PS3? you are missing a LOT.



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cLoudou
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:41:25 PM

What? The 360 has exclusive games too........ if you count Kinect titles as "games".

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Oxvial
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:12:33 PM

That thing that doesn't has buttons? nah that isn't gaming xD.

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:10:49 AM

....... last time i checked forza 4, project kingdoms, gears 3 are not kinect games.
cant wait till E3, alan wake 2 is supposedly being announced then and so is 343s first game.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:33:53 AM

Who thumbed down _________? My thoughts exactly on 360.

It still has Gears 3, Forza 4 and Project Kingdoms (completely forgot about that one).

And bash Kinect all you like, Star Wars Kinect looks interesting at best, Child of Eden (while multiplat) looks great on Kinect and then there's Steel Battalion.

I know, I know, it still pales in comparison to Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Twisted Metal, Resistence 3, Motorstorm Apocalypse, The Last Guardian, ICO/SotC Collection in 3D, Sly 4, The Agent (a Rockstar exclusive, of course it'll be fantastic), FF Vs XIII (PLEEASE stay exclusive!!!), Ratchet and Clank All 4 One, SOCOM 4, Sorcery, Portal 2 with Steam on PS3, the new Yakuza spin-off AND the new God of War spin-off. Not to mention Littlebig Planet 2, Killzone 3 and MLB The Show 2011 which are out now.

You know what, even if Sony only announce 2 new games for 2012 exclusive to PS3, I will still be very much content, and will probably only match what 360 is offering as exclusives.

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:29:57 AM

i cant wait to see what crytek can do with project kingdoms!
if crysis 2 looks that good as a MP game, imagine what they could do with that as exclusive!
interested to see what the gameplays like too, the trailer they showed reminded me allot of 300!
apparently its undertaken allot of changes from then, so will be interesting to see what the gameplays like!
i pray we get a new crackdown game!
1 was freaking sweet, but 2 sucked!
i would kill for a new crackdown game, but this time make it a proper full fledged AAA game!
not that low budget DLC crap!

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:41:33 AM

If those were the only games to gloat about on the 360, I think I wouldn't gloat. That is a sad list. Gears of War 3 would have me excited, but I wouldn't be puffing out my chest, when you stack them against the list of PS3 exclusives.

And the Star Wars Kinect game? Could be interesting, but that is a definate wait and see. I remember being excited about SW Unleashed when it was announced, thinking of the possibilities of using the Wii-mote as a light sabre, and well, that didn't exactly pan out.

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Oxvial
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 11:25:19 AM

Those 3 games are pure dudebro gaming.

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coverton341
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 12:44:38 PM

The words you are looking for are "a lot" FFS allot means "to parcel out, distribute, assign, give out"

It's bad enough that you, __________, go on random tyraids about nothing, or wildly leave even your own initial topic. Do you also have to completely refuse to use your own language properly?

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The Doom
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:38:01 PM
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Well that's going to stunt the current worldwide tota; I could've sworn the PS3 had 16 million sold in Europe and 360 was like 10 million...

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Karosso
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:43:38 PM
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:)Now the world makes sense again, next target "The Wii"

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PharaohJR
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:43:58 PM
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DAMN... so 2011 is the takeover... checkmate. nun against the 360 over here its just microsoft got a ass for a mouth so everytime it open up shit come out. the ps3 will outsell wii before this generation ends.

enjoyed reading this cause i think back to when folks said the ps3 would fail against 360. now after a head start the ps3 caught up & pass the 360.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:58:57 PM

Nice BMW. :P

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PharaohJR
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 11:02:25 PM

wish it was mine.

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PSTan
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:52:04 PM
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The xbox was doomed ever since mgs4 came out. It's just come full circle now.

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gumbi
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:58:42 PM
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This report looks at active install base as compared to total sales. And this I believe is a testament to the reliability of the PS3 vs 360. The 360 still has PS3 beat in overall sales to date, but PS3 has edged it out in active installed base.

So this can be interpreted as either a result of the colossal failure rate of 360's (what portion of those monthly sales are replacement consoles I wonder?) or a waning interest in Microsoft's console... or a nice mixture of both.

Either way, this comes as no great surprise. The competition may be a little stiffer this go round, but this is still Sony's game, and nobody plays it better!

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:00:28 PM
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MS isn't doomed. As long as the casuals keep buying Kinect shovelware, MS will be ok.

It was only matter of time. Sony deserves this for making the best console ever. (IMO)

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:28:39 PM

At least if MS gobbles up all the casual gamers it will leave Sony to pick up all the core gamers.

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Quincho
Tuesday, April 05, 2011 @ 10:18:12 PM

"making the best console ever. (IMO)"

thats a fact!, not an opinion ;)

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Quincho
Tuesday, April 05, 2011 @ 10:18:16 PM

"making the best console ever. (IMO)"

thats a fact!, not an opinion ;)

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Temjin001
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:05:41 PM
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The 360 fanboy reaction I sense from within my inner psyche goes something like this, "It's about time Sony caught up. They should've had 360 left in the dust long ago, but instead they forked over half their user-base within one console generation."

ooooh burn

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Snaaaake
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:09:59 PM
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I hardly care if Sony end up last this gen, they've given us so much that I'll just keep on supporting them.

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Oxvial
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:14:17 PM

Yes xbox owner love to brag about sales, and I brag about having games xD.

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Jawknee
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:28:55 PM

LOL!

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Snaaaake
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:16:24 AM

No dude, more like we brag about having the top tier games.

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JDC80
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:23:57 PM
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I got into another Youtube debate with another nutty Xbot. I'll tell ya no matter what the video is if there's a PS3 related item they jumped on it. One Xbot said something like the PS3 sucks, then I came back with other than Gears of War 3 what other AAA exclusive is coming to the trashbox 360?

So another Xbot jumped into the fight, so I hit him with the wave of games that's PS3 only games. Then he came back with the sales b.s and called the PS3 exclusives boring so I came back with those who think games like God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 are boring probably think replacing burned out 360 after burned out 360 is a good thing.

Quick thing I download Free Realms so WTF am I supposed to do?

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:31:13 PM
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Play it?

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djduke316
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:49:38 PM
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Um, April Fools?

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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:33:18 AM

lol, Ben did provide links to the reputable sources.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 12:42:42 AM
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Michael Pachter's is wrong again. he claimed while back i think month ago saying 360 will continue to outperform the ps3. i guess that mouth of his needs a foot in it again. glad to know the ps3 is doing well, wish it was like this from the beginning.

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kraygen
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:57:02 AM
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a week ago I was in Best Buy and I got try out kinect for the first time. I must admit that I had very low expectations, but I was blown away. Seriously.

I started it up and wow, just wow. It had way more delay than even I thought it would. It lagged and the hand on screen was never where mine was. You have to hold your hand in the air for about 8 seconds to select something? Lame.

No wonder it barely boosted sales, ps2 eye toy had better tracking.

I put a lot of time researching both platforms before release because I knew I could only afford one. It was obvious then that ps3 was the way to go and I'm glad other people are starting to get that too.

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FM23
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:11:15 AM

HA...fooled me. Kinect...lmao

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:17:19 AM

dude, WTF are you talking about!
hardly boosted sales?
is that why it has become the FASTEST ELECTRONIC DEVICE IN HISTORY?
i dont really like it either, too many restrictions but you cant say its been selling poorly!
thats all thanks to M$s marketing, they have spent a absolute fortune on it!
electronics NEVER make it onto the news, but the whole week of release kinect was on the news every night!
that was a first!
M$ even bought out all the westfields stages in the country and had kinect on display for everyone to try out!
something neither sony, nor ninty did for there products!
maybe one day both will wake up and realize you have to spend money to make money!
never underestimate the power of advertisement!
every harvy norman in the country has a kinect set up outside its gaming section!
does sony, or ninty have any of there products setup for display?
nope!
thats how M$ manages to sell there products so well, they actually spend the time and money to advertise it!
only wish sony took a leaf from there book!

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:42:45 AM

Wow! You have to wonder how many Diskinects would have sold if there weren't any in-store demos. I mean without a demo, people might have thought it actually worked.

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:25:35 AM

it does work, i play around with it every saturday at the harvey norman in aurburn while for my friend to finish work.
not my cup of tea simply because of the games, if they had something on there that was designed for adults it would be really cool!
devils third and MGS rising would be freaking sweet with it!

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kraygen
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:15:41 PM

except that on a game with better graphics than a saturday morning cartoon the delay would be horribly atrocious.

It's really bad on the menu, on rising you could swing your sword 5 times before you saw any response on screen.

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Excelsior1
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:31:00 AM
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yes!!!that took forever. i am not going to lie about how sick i got of hearing sony's is in last place. that is finally over. sony just needs to work on the na sales becuase that gap has widened as of late, and we all know how are japanese friends covet the na market. you know, so maybe they ditch that western approach.

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naruto316
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 3:13:37 AM
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glad to hear this bit of news, now i hope to hear that the games that were only on xbox like gears or alan wake, hell even halo were now coming over to the ps3 that would make me very happy!! oh yeah also left 4 dead games

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:18:44 AM
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how many of those are paperweights now due to faulty lasers, or the YLOD?

anyway, nice to see!
hopefully now sony can stop letting off there best developers, and start giving us some of the games they promised!
so gutted to hear half of SOEs staff is gone, and the agency went with them!
:(

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Wissam
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 5:10:13 AM

And how many x360 consoles died because the rrod?
One thing i know for sure its 10x times than the ps3.lol.

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:15:27 AM

lol, I'll see your <1% failure rate, and raise you 53%.

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Excelsior1
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:27:21 AM

there is no way the ps3 has had a less than 1% failure rate. probably closer to 5-10% much better than the 360, but definely not sony's most reliable console.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:37:41 AM

PS3's failure rate is pretty consistent with the failure rate of hardware in general. Anything with heated and/or moving parts will eventually fail, and hardware from everyone has a failure rate of about 3% or under. If your hardware has a failure rate under 3%, you have created a quality piece of hardware.

Sony has done that with the PS3. The release 360 was about 10 times over that guideline.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:36:21 AM

@Excelsior1
PS3 failure rate is below the standard hardware 3% ratio.

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:35:29 AM

eventually, but when you have 3 die on you in your first year you know your in serious trouble!
my brand new slim that i got not even a month ago with my new TV has been freezing allot on my this week, looks like thats on its way out!
why cant manufactures build things like ninty and apple?
still got my gameboy advance going strong!
still got my N64 going strong!
still goy my gameqube going strong!
still got my original Iphone going strong!
still got my first mac which is over 10 years old now and thats still going strong too!
sadly cant say the same thing about everything else, hell my 3K toshiba laptop is not even 6 months old and its constantly freezing and overheating on me!
you would think if you spend 3K on something, especially a laptop it would last a dam site longer then 6 months!

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shadowscorpio
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:39:38 AM

You got it Underdog.

Doesn't matter what form of electronics it is whether be it a smartphone, highend keyboard, electronic drumset, high def TV or a gaming console. They all fall under a certain percentage failure rate.

The point we are all trying to make , which it seems ---------- doesn't get is that 360's failure rate was horrid.

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JDC80
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:19:48 PM

I only encounter one problem with my PS3 I believe that was the summer of 2008 it's almost 3 years now since getting my replacement PS3. On another subject the marketing while I enjoy Kevin Butler ads but it seems Sony believes they're products are good enough to sell on their own. Take the newest PSP ad campaign for example when the one person said thank you for making real games for real gamers that would been effective when the PSP first launch against the DS.

Despite what the folks on X-Play say if the PSP has a weakness it's that for every great PSP game that comes out you're stuck playing an average to below average PSP game.

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:46:48 AM
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As a Brit who's due at the dentist shortly, this has brightened up the worst day of the year.

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:05:51 AM

Got the all-clear from the dentist. No power tools for me today :D Best Day Ever!

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:38:05 PM

Wait, worst day of the year? Do you only go once a year? In NA, they have us going every 6 months.

Might explain the Brit's bad teeth moniker.

Congrats on the clean bill of health with the choppers. I too hate the dentist.

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:39:15 PM

I love my dentist, she is very polite and knows how to put a smile on your face and cheer you up.
And, she is beautiful 5'11" dirty blonde hair with gorgeous green eyes. I love her personality makes the trip and staying a whole lot easier she's awesome!

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:11:16 PM

They ask us to go every 6 months but my last was over 2 years ago. I am the yellow toothed rebel.

Clamedeus, My dentist is old, fat & baldy, but he drives a Porsche so we may have a future.

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:00:22 PM

I like Porsche, my dad owned one i wasn't around then but he told me all about the car. It was a Porsche 911 Turbo i can't remember what year he said it was though.

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Wissam
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 5:11:40 AM
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PS3 is becoming the console of both young and old gamers. good to see that.

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Excelsior1
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:34:23 AM
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they still need to work on the hardcore gamers. gamers who make day1 purchases of games, and consoles. that's where i think ms still has an advantage. ps3 game sales have always been a little sluggish.

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daizycutter
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:50:59 AM
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for me the blu-ray / media player in the ps3 alone trumps every other console especially when the HD DTS kicks in with blu-ray films..simply awesome on two floor standing speakers with surrounding satelite speakers and subwoofer which really picks up the lowest frequencies!

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Imagi
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:11:00 AM
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PS3 sales surpassed the 360's in Europe quite some time ago, if it was not for the American market the PS3 would have been in the #1 slot for next gen consoles for almost 2 years.

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:49:40 PM

"if it was not for the American market"

Obsurd.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 7:57:30 AM
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I knew this would happen eventually, but there's still a few things holding the PS3 from complete annihilation of the competiton.

1. While Mass Effect 2 and 3 are now on PS3, Gears of War remains exclusive. That's still a large audience right there, but if the rumours are anything to go by, we might see a Gears of War trilogy on PS3 by the end of 2012.

2. Kinect, while technically inferior to Move in terms of precision and use, is the most hyped device and biggest selling console peripheral of 2010 and most likely 2011. Kinect Adventures along with Dance Central and fitness games requiring no controllers or anything is truly fantastic. But like the Wii, it's a casual gamers fad, so it'll be interesting to see how long it lasts.

3. Halo fans. Even if Bungie is gone, brand value is through the roof and MS still has control of that franchise. I wonder if quality will still be good without Bungie at the helm now?

4. Stupid amounts of money thanks to Windows and PC profits. That money is used to promote what little the 360 has, so to the ignorant fools who only pay attention to ads, the 360 has everything that's cool and popular!!! If they read even one internet article, many views would change to PS3 preference.

5. Xbox Live. The creme de la creme of the 360. Sure, you gotta pay a yearly fee to use it, and play friends online, and chat with friends. In fact, what can you do with a simple Silver membership? Last I checked, not much. Anyways, cross game chat, party options and demos of every game offered certainly makes 360 better in the eyes of many. Once PS3 gets cross game chat and party options (free or with PS Plus), 360's edge may well be completely gone.

6. Current 360 gamers. The hardest hurdle to jump. Like many of my friends, many others have already invested so much time and money into their 360s that jumping ship is out of the question. Most have a PS3 as well for the exclusives, but still use their 360's for multiplats and online gaming with friends. If PS3 can find a way to jump that hurdle, I tip my hat to them.

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Excelsior1
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:31:50 AM

your last 2 reasons are biggest reasons i don't think sony can ever reclaim the marketshare it once had. too much loss of hardcore gamers that prefer to do their online gaming with the 360.
ms packaging in a headset, and 1 yr subscribtion to xbox live is probably the smartest thing they ever did.

it's still great to hear this news about the ps3 though. it's been a long time coming, and i'm just absolutely thrilled about it.

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Highlander
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:59:21 PM

Fellas,

XBL.

There are only 17 million (or so) gold subscribers to XBL, despite Microsoft claiming to have sold well over 50 million units, and despite the 42.9 million this research indicates are active. Yes, XBL might be a haven for hardcore gamers for a particular genre of game, but in reality, it doesn't even represent the majority of Xbox customers.

I think that you are overstating the importance of XBL, and overstating the market share element. The market that has really let Sony down this generation has been the US. In Japan the PS3 to 360 ratio is silly. Just last week, the PS3 outsold the 360 by more than 14:1. In Europe, the SP3 is 1 million units sold ahead despite the 360's 18 month head start. If you exclude the US market, the PS3 is annihilating the 360 (it'd be even worse in Europe but for the UK which also apparently has a soft spot for 360). However, you can't exclude the US market. Microsoft has pulled off an incredible feat, they have hoodwinked the US gamer population into buying multiple units of a product with acknowledged design flaws. What I don't understand is why Microsoft has not been the subject of a huge class action law suit yet.

However that's beside the point. the point is that XBL may be the crowning glory, but it's only enjoyed by about 17 million gamers (the larger 30+ million figure includes all Silver XBL accounts as well).

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thj_1980
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:38:43 PM

Mr. Highlander
What about reballing that seems more effective then sending your system to sony. Ha let alone losing all your data you pretty much get a whole new system after with 10% chance of ylod again.

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Excelsior1
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 6:25:53 PM

@highlander

i think you are downplaying the importance of xbox live to hardcore gamers in na. i also think it's far more the case of sony fumbling away the na america market to ms than any hoodwinkng. they should have taken more of a hit on rrod issue, but there was so much negativity around the ps3 they pretty much walked away unscathed. i blame that ridiculous price point of the ps3, and the pooly handled multiplats.

sony had all the momentum going into this gen controlling over 70% of the console market. now it's in the mid 20"s. the 360 didn't take it from sony, sony just dropped the ball with overpriced hard to develop for hardware.

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 12:31:01 AM

NA isn't the only market that matters. YOU are overstating it.

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Highlander
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 1:11:32 AM

@Shadowknight,

Sorry? What? I didn't understand that.

@Excelsior. The air of negativity that surrounded the PS3 was partly the ridiculous price. A price that was - BTW a steal considering the cost of building the thing and what you actually got for your money. Expensive, yes. Bad value for money? Absolutely not.

That air of negativity through was extremely suspicious because it emanated long before the PS3 arrived and had a distinct spin to it. When the PS3 did arrive both the system and it's games received disparate reviews. The more balanced sites reviewed fairly, and the less balanced ones looked for every minor thing they could and promptly castigated the machine over it. For the first two years we had to hear how it had no games, and then how gram the multi-platform ports were, then how SOny was ramming BluRay down our throats and how superior HD-DVD was, and how XBL was so worth the money and PSN was nothing, then Home was nothing and so on and so forth. Every Internet forum around had legions of US based gamers with seemingly infinite time to bait and troll Sony fans. That media campaign - yes I said campaign - may, or may not, have been coordinated, but it had almost as much effect as if Microsoft had specifically commissioned a campaign of good old FUD against the PS3, exactly as they used to do in the business software world. FUD = Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.

But, hey, whatever. XBL is or marginal importance since the gamers that use it would simply use another network if XBL wasn't there. I dare say that if the majority of them realized how good - and free - PSN is, they might consider a PS3 instead of paying to play their toaster online.

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thj_1980
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 9:13:47 AM

Mr. Highlander but may I ask you do you know what reballing is?

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piratikkio
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:43:20 AM
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quality finally wins!!

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:02:21 PM

true dat.

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:45:38 AM
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Hey I know this is off-topic; but my 60gb just gave me the ylod with my copy of BC2 inside it. Would it be wiser to get the slim or just send it into Sony? I would like to see different opinions on this matter....

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:55:07 AM

I'd send it in, I'd never give up a fatty B/C system. Plus you get your game back.

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 9:17:32 AM

I don't want to have the same problem again; and I know that it is mainly the 60 gb that overheats. My biggest problem is also my hard drive. I don't know if they will let me have my old hard drive. If they don't I will lose a myriad of my game saves and music. If I get a new ps3, I can just transfer my data.

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___________
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:39:03 AM

if you send it into sony the first thing they do is format it.
if you want to keep everything best thing to do is google YLOD fixes, or have a look around your local area should be able to find someone who can fix it for you.
or if you want to get a new one theres a program out that lets you decrypt your HDD and copy everything off it.
id try and fix it though, 60GBs are so rare so id do anything i could to hold onto it.
seriously kicking myself for loosing mine!

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Imagi
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:41:13 AM

Only way you are going to get your stuff back is if you fix the YLOD yourself or get someone to do it for you, if you send it to Sony and you can kiss everything on it goodbye.

You will only get a measly 3 months warranty on a refurbished ps3 that will most likely fail sometime in the near future and will pay 3/4 of the price for a slim just so that Sony can make a profit by kicking you when you are down.

My advice is to get it fixed yourself, backup everything once it is up and running and start saving for a slim.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 11:03:44 AM

My suggestion is to take out your HDD, put it in a desktop, and copy it to an external hdd. Then take it out of the desktop and back in the PS3 and send to sony for a more permanent fix. (YLOD home fixes aren't permanent.)

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 11:09:10 AM

@Bugzbunny109

Try gophermods.com, sounds like they're legit and they fix ylod's for 70 bucks + the cost to ship. They say u won't lose any original data on ur product.

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frylock25
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 12:01:24 PM

sony will give you a slim for your 60 gb. if you really want to have a slim that is. otherwise it is like $140 to have it "repaired". which will just be them making sure you didnt tamper with the one your sending in, them takin out your disc and sending you a new one.

so im gonna say if you want to keep your 60 call sony. if you want a slim call sony. they only do it with the 60gbs but they will trade it for a slim.

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Highlander
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 12:37:17 PM

*sigh* Here we go again.

To all those suggesting the You tube, 'in-home' fix for the so called YLOD, please just stop, stop telling anyone to do this. All you're doing by telling someone to do this is consigning their PS3 to a very early and permanent grave.

The so called YLOD is a general hardware fault with many potential causes. So adopting a specific approach to a YLOD fix is difficult without more information.

One point to note, you *cannot* reflow the solder in your system without damaging it. The temperature required to make the solder reflow is such that you would bake the other components on the motherboard and induce thermal warping of the motherboard while attempting to heat it sufficiently to re-flow solder.

If the YLOD is caused by a poor contact or joint, then doing any of the usual take it apart and heat here 'fixes' will do nothing. The most they will do is cause the motherboard to flex slightly which temporarily causes the bad joint to make contact again, and you might get some further use until the same fault repeats. But you're not fixing anything, and in fact you're really inducing further cracks and/or separation of joints on the motherboard every time you heat it. The HSF in the PS3 sucks the heat away from the motherboard to prevent this type of flexing as well as the more obvious chip damage, normally the motherboard will not flex excessively because of the heat removal.

But seriously, if you have an old 60GB system with BC, then you have a system that's in the order of 4 to 4½ years old. If you've used it heavily, the HSF will probably need a bit of a clean, and perhaps even a replacement. Send the poor thing to Sony and pay for their service. They'll send you back a 60GB system, probably not the original one you sent them, but one that has been thoroughly reconditioned and soak tested.

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Imagi
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:15:19 PM

Not that I want to disagree with you Highlander but I know people who have had the refurbished PS3 arrive from Sony that have YLOD on first power up and many that have failed within the first few months, so I am not so sure of Sony's quality and soap test.

Paying so much money for a refurbished product that failed due to a manufacturing fault with very limited warranty comes dangerously close to being labelled as a scam. Course there are other causes for the YLOD, but most instances are because of the lead free solder they used.

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Highlander
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:49:51 PM

imagi

The problem there is that during transit, anything can happen. I've had two refurbs - from other sources that I do trust, and one of them arrived and was essentially DOA as it YLOD'd within 2 hours of turn on.

When the guy got it back, he found that even with the packaging it had been in (it was *well* packed) it must have sustained one or more heavy jolts in-transit as the HSF had somehow got loos and was moving slightly and not maintaining good contact to remove heat.

So it's quite possible for Sony to ship a 100% reliable replacement unit, but by the time it arrives it could have developed a fault thanks to the handling it receives just getting to you.

Certainly, the refurb you receive from Sony is under warranty so although it's inconvenient you can get a replacement for free from Sony.

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 11:54:56 PM

Bugzbunny109,
Do as I'm going to be doing....

Get your 60 gigger fixed, it's still the most prized PS3, with 4 USB ports, all reader cards, PS2 B/C, etc, etc.

And I'm also planning on getting a slim too, just to have a back up, so I'll never be without......ever again!!!!!!!!

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Douchebaguette
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:01:42 AM
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Pretty impressive, considering Sony were under heavy s**t for during the first couple of years and the 360 had a year headstart without any competition whatsoever. Plus Microsoft's marketing campaign is ruthless. Sony's advertising is...do they even advertise ANYTHING?

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Highlander
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 12:39:37 PM

More impressive is Europe.

The PS3 is 1 million units sold ahead of the 360, and this is despite the 360 having an 18 month head start in Europe (remember the PS3 launched in Europe 4 months after the Japan/NA launch). Really and truly, apart from the US, the PS3 is doing great. In terms of HD gaming, it's a two horse race, and the PS3 is moving ahead. People can include the Wii all they like, it's not an HD device, and in my opinion serves a completely different market to the PS3/360 HD gaming and video market.

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 10:29:41 AM
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In the past it was wise for Sony on so many parts but great to hear that every year the PS3 is doing better and better..

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Radiohead
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 11:42:52 AM
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The wii ain't part of this console war because its the worst console with no games.

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Highlander
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 12:41:24 PM

Wii isn't part of it because it's not HD. Wii sits along side PS2 IMHO, PS3 and 360 are direct competition for each other as they both are HD devices with HD video capability with either HD video from optical disc (PS3 only) or HD video streamed/downloaded (both PS3 and 360). Wii is simply not part of the same market.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:12:26 PM

The Wii has more first party exclusives than the Xbox radiohead.

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:30:06 PM

The Wii isn't competing with the PS2 though, it is competing with the PS3 and 360. It may be inferior in many ways, but it is in this current generation of consoles, and it is on store shelves right next to the PS3 and 360.

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Highlander
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:06:10 PM

So is the PS2.

The wii does not compete in the same market, it's buyers are - in general - not the same people that buy PS3 or 360.

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Gone
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:55:19 PM
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Wait till Infamous 2, UC3, and Agent come out. Then you will see even more PS3s flying off the shelf like donuts at a fat camp.

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:12:37 PM

WE LOVE YOU K.B!!!!!!!!!!

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Underdog15
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:15:06 PM

Agent ain't gonna happen.

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Gone
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:19:08 PM

I love all of you. Now go buy a PS3 and a 40inch for your bathroom. No room should be without a PS3 dammit.

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 2:27:12 PM

Haha there isn't enough room for two 40 inchers in my bathroom :)

Okay, there's boasting and then there's just plain silliness...

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MyWorstNightmar
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 1:56:27 PM
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Somehow hearing this news reminds me of the Sick Puppies song "Your going down". I envision the PS3 and 360 with boxing gloves...Goes a little something like this...
"It's been a long time coming
And the tables' turned around
Cause one of us is goin'
One of us is goin' down
I'm not running, it's a little different now
Cause one of us is going

One of us is goin' down

This is hardly worth fighting for
But it's the little petty shit that I can't ignore
With my fist in your face and your face on the floor
It'll be a long time coming
But you got the message now
Cause I was never going
Yeah, you're the one that's going down"


If you've never heard the song, sorry you couldn't put music to it in your head, it's much better that way. =)

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CoolBLKguy
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 4:13:41 PM
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Good for Sony, It's been crazy sitting back this generation and observing all this hate directed at one of the best consoles we've ever had and the company responsible for it. I can only imagine the convos over at Sony this gen, "what is wrong with these guys? Good hardware, free online play, great exclusives, what more do they want?" PS3 is the only console that delivered this gen in my opinion, without Sony I would strictly be a PC gamer.

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AnonWTF
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 8:43:59 PM
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It took ps3 long enough =D

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Robochic
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 8:19:06 AM
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Good for Sony I knew they would do it, the one thing I love about Sony is they take their time to perfect their creations, I have only had to replace my launch 20gig once and I will say it lasted more than 2 years and was rarely off so I know I played the sh*t out of it.
can't wait for UC3 :) the most anticipated game for me :)
Sorry I've been missing been playing the crap out of my new nintendo 3ds :)

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, April 02, 2011 @ 1:52:44 PM
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I saw the title of the article and knew this would turn into a fanboy breeding ground. Yeesh.

On topic- its not too surprising. I imagine with a price cut announcement at E3, Sony could further pull away from MS by the end of 2011 with a strong first party line up. They just need to market Uncharted 3 as a "absolute-must own system seller". And it seems that Naughty Dog is already looking to expand the multiplayer, so that's definately a good start. Sony just needs to market that!

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Geobaldi
Sunday, April 03, 2011 @ 5:12:53 AM
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Wow. That link is to my local newspaper way down here. Never expected that :)

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re4ux
Sunday, April 03, 2011 @ 2:03:41 PM
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Damn i have xbox 360 and about 100+ games... they're booring. Can someone give me a ps3 for a week? So i can play exlusives, they look really nice. It's the only thing why i want to play ps3.

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WilliamRLBaker
Sunday, April 03, 2011 @ 4:11:10 PM
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Ahhh strategy analytics they some how researched active users without having access to such data...but does any one else remember this?
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/16/analyst-sony-to-win-big-in-long-run/

""Microsoft's head start will give them the market share lead through 2007, but Sony will win in the long run with almost 60 percent of the market by 2012. That's the determination of research firm Strategy Analytics, whose Connected Home Devices service predicts Sony's 121.8 million PS3s will dwarf Microsoft's 59.7 million Xbox 360s in this console generation. The company sees the Nintendo Wii as almost a non-factor with only 23.3 million units sold through 2012.""

I do believe Strategy analytics is the gospel truth right?

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xnonsuchx
Sunday, April 03, 2011 @ 4:55:01 PM
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The numbers don't make sense:

"the active installed base of the PS3 reached 43.4 million, which just tops the Xbox 360's 42.9 million"

I thought both were reported to be over 50 million so far (or are those numbers the end of FISCAL 2010 ending in Sept/Oct)? What does "active console race" mean, anyway...non-defunct consoles???...consoles estimated in use (not broken/neglected)???...consoles online???

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Panakc
Sunday, April 03, 2011 @ 6:59:44 PM
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same bunch of haters!!! look I bought a sony bravia 46 at bestbuy they gave me a ps3 "free" but wen a check the receipt the sold me the ps3 for 299.00 and uncharted 2 for 49.99 and the lower the price of the sony tv, so thas why sony is selling ps3
I got both consoles and let tell you something, netflix look better on xbox if I wanna play online xbox live is much better than ps3 now if you wanna play a single player videogames go to ps3
I repeat I dont hate ps3 or sony I just hate the same bunch of haters talking bullshit about xbox 360 I bet this is the only online experience you got from ps3
hey you dont have party like xbox live???
plus this is america not japan

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