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Sony: Our Competition Is "Running Out Of Steam"

When the PlayStation 3 launched, it was very expensive and there were a whole lot of question marks. But most would agree it was cutting-edge.

And that's what matters most, according to SCEA president Jack Tretton. In speaking to Fortune, Tretton spoke about how launching a cutting-edge product that stays relevant in today's market is crucial. Even though the PS3 had a rocky beginning, the SCEA boss says it's smooth sailing from here on out, primarily because they're the only company with a game console that has remained cutting-edge.

"If you're really going to sustain technology for a decade, you have to be cutting edge when you launch a platform. Here we are 4 years into the PlayStation 3, and it's just hitting its stride. We'll enjoy a long downhill roll behind it because the technology that was so cutting edge in 2006 is extremely relevant today and is conspicuously absent in our competition."

And when it comes to the competition, Tretton pulls no punches:

"They're starting to run out of steam now in terms of continuing to be relevant in 2011 and beyond. I mean, you've gotta be kidding me. Why would I buy a gaming system without a hard drive in it? How does this thing scale? Motion gaming is cute, but if I can only wave my arms six inches, how does this really feel like I'm doing true accurate motion gaming?"

Tretton also doesn't view the Nintendo DS as primary competition for Sony's PSP (and upcoming Next Generation Portable). In fact, the SCEA president goes so far as to call the "Game Boy experience" a "great babysitting tool," which we can't help find amusing. C'mon, that's funny. And he adds- "...no self-respecting twenty-something is going to be sitting on an airplane with one of those." The NGP follows Sony's aim of cutting-edge technology right out of the gate:

"With the NGP, we asked, what is it that is lacking? We looked at every technology out there, every [bell and] whistle, and how can we make those flexible as possible for consumers to experience."

It's very likely that both Microsoft and Nintendo will launch a new console well before Sony, which sort of proves Tretton's theory that the PS3 can still hold its own. But will it be able to hold its own against the new wave...? Developers will probably say yes, but who knows?

Tags: scea, jack tretton, ps3, playstation 3, ngp

4/9/2011 10:20:37 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (155 posts)

cLoudou
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:52:07 AM
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Them is fightin' words.

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kraygen
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:29:25 PM

Truth often causes conflict, so I concur.

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Temjin001
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:56:06 AM
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If MS could just get a decent gaming line up put together this situation wouldn't be so blatantly apparent. Their game plan seemingly ended with last year.

Anyway, I'd like to see both Nintendo and MS move into upgraded hardware soon.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:01:45 AM
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"no self-respecting twenty-something is going to be sitting on an airplane with one of those" -> That's exactly how I feel about the nintendo handhelds. Their designs are so childish, while the psp's look like a really cool gadget. I've always liked Sony designs that way, including their Sony Ericsson phones. They don't look like a childs toy.


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Temjin001
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:05:42 AM

Welcome back =)

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:34:35 AM

Erm...I would. I love the Zelda games on the DSi.

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Temjin001
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:01:48 PM

Well, Jawknee, apparently you just don't respect yourself. Jack Tretton said it.
=p

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:03:42 PM

@jawk: ...Well, if they had a BioWare product or two in their game lineup I'd probably give in too :D (oh and forget that outburst I had a while back, will ya? Please ;)

@Temjin: Thanks! :) I'm back from a great holiday at Fuerteventura, "the island of winds". I got a thing about windy weather, I love it!


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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:23:18 PM

Ha, well Temji, while I agree with most of what he said, he's just trash talking when he says people can't respect themselves if they like to play games on the DS. I thought the most important thing about playing games was to play them because they are fun. Not because of how the hardware looks while you're holding it.

@Beamboom, I don't understand the Nintendo hate from some people. Nintendo has kiddie games, yea. But they are some of the funnest and most imaginative games on the market. I understand why some would shy away from them because they don't offer much in terms of mature gaming but it's okay go back and be a kid again every once in awhile and playing some of Nintendo's best franchises is a great way to do that.

oh, and no worries about before. Water under the bridge. :)

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:56:19 PM

Imo, "mature gaming" is one of the stupid phrases in the gaming world. Being a "mature gamer" isnt simply playing games where people swear constantly and beat people to death with their own limbs.

I have a DS and i enjoy it quite a bit. I wouldnt hesitate one moment to take it out in any public place and play some Prof Layton. If you ask me, a game like Layton is more mature than something like God of War. I love God of War, but a large part of the game is gore and violence, and theres nothing mature about that. Hyperactive teenagers get excited when you can dice someone up 50 different ways in one combo, but it take a mature individual to appreciate a great puzzle/mystery game.

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:02:56 PM

I agree Cpt. Qwark. :)

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Scarecrow
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:18:00 PM

Yet the Japanese don't care about the so called "childish" design.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 3:52:49 PM

@jawk: Oh I'm only commenting on the physical design here, not the games. I honestly know very little about them as I've never owned anything Nintendo (or anything else other than Sony consoles). I just prefer the *look* of the psp. Imo it simply looks better, much better even. The DS'es looks... Hmm... Actyually they remind me of the 80s "Game & Watch" handhelds, if anyone remember those?


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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 4:18:25 PM

Yea the PSP is a slick looking piece of hardware.

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SvenMD
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 5:18:56 PM

@Jawknee - So I own a Wii, but no handhelds. And the only reason that I got a Wii was really cause the wife wanted one and I wanted to play the Metroid Prime Trilogy. But after playing Prime, and then seeing videos for Other M, I really just wanted to see Samus on the PS3. I have no idea what it would be like, but I think that seeing that universe in some true HD would be amazing!!

And as for as Super Mario Galaxy. I liked the first one, it was neat and innovative, but honestly the 2nd was just SMG 1.3. Not even 1.5. It was the same stuff over again. I know you'll say something about the level design being truly unique. But you have to admit it was the SAME GAME!!

I really wanted to see Nintendo do something NEW!!

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 6:45:17 PM

I'd rather Nintendo just make their own HD console then make all their games in HD rather than it coming to PS3.SMG2 is a sequel so I didn't expect much more than what we already got. I haven't played it yet. I have it on my back log. To many other games to play right now. Ha, but I'll get to it eventually.

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FM23
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:42:38 PM

@Beamnboom I agree so much with your comment

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Qubex
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 9:25:32 PM

Having thought about Jack's comments; whilst I do try to understand and accept somewhat what he is saying I still feel the approach is unprofessional and not warranted.

Granted here at PSXeXtreme, we all have a "bit of fun" bashing the competition, but I feel when it is done at Jack's level, it is unnecessary and a tad immature.

At the start of this generation I was like Jack, highly critical of the XBOX 360 in particular, and I felt that Wii should be the definitive door stop. I am upset and disappointed in myself for having so much hate for these system to begin with. I should have known better... why?

The 360 and Wii are good systems in their own right. Whilst exclusives for these system are "thin on the ground" by todays standards, I still feel they are great for what they are and do - and that is machine to play games on... that is all.

Yes, we all agree the XBOX and Wii have influenced the "progress of this generation" somewhat; but that is from our perspective. Users of the Wii and users of the XBOX may be very happy with the level of gaming technology these systems represent. A child playing DOnkey Kong Country doesn't care about HD, a kid generally is not a technology whore who is counting pixels on the screen. The kid is playing with monkey and is happy playing with monkey... what else can be said.

For the older generation technology differences may be a great conversation fire starter, and may help you to ooze out your ego like a sticky gel all over the competition, but it doesn't mean we (or anyone else for that matter) is right. It is very very subjective... because everyone is looking at it from a slightly different angle.

The comments on Eurogamer where interesting in that many who commented where PlayStation owners... but were scathing at the remarks made by Jack. It is really unprofessional. One user commented saying he was going to buy a PSP within the day, but after reading Jack's comments, he went and bought a 3DS.

What I am getting here is that people generally, critical people of large brutish corporations, are really voting with their wallets. If they feel CEO's are stepping out of line and trying to beat their chests as if they have taken over the world, they simply get put off and don't support the product they may have done initially. It does show the trends in society and how people are using technology to protest, letting the world know about how they feel... and it does have an effect.

Corporations needs to tread a fine line... otherwise people will show them up in a very simple and powerful way... collapsing profits and shrinking market share...

Criticism where criticism is due, in a responsible and mature way... its pointless insulting your potential customers like that, and dumbing people down...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Danny007
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:06:08 AM
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Sony is packing the punches. They must have something big planned for E3 maybe?

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aeron
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:13:12 AM
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He makes an interesting point...I've had a PS3 since launch and I love it. It took a while for good games to come, but it's really hit its stride now. Recently, I picked up a Xbox 360 during a sale. And I really couldn't find a lot of games I wanted. Seriously, I looked over the library of exclusives, and I had trouble finding very many games. I don't care for Halo or auto racing (that's Forza right?)...But I ended up picking up Halo 3, Gears 2, Blue Dragon...and, the only title I REALLY wanted, Mass Effect. And then I looked at what's coming up for XBox...and I didn't see anything I wanted. And I was left thinking, wow, things really do look for PS3 exclusives...now and for the foreseeable future.

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Temjin001
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:17:22 AM

Viva PiƱata. Go get it. There's candy inside =p

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Oxvial
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:28:46 AM

If you don't care about Halo or Gears, there isn't a really good reason to get a 360..ME1 suck ass on it better get it on PC or use the comic of ME2 Ps3 version.



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Temjin001
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:53:42 AM

I love me some DOA4. If the NGP gets a DOA like the 3DS one, I'm sold sooner than I would be otherwise.

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WilliamRLBaker
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 10:59:16 AM

@Oxvial
yes because a comic book that gives you 8 choices is better then an entire game right?
If you have a pc capable of playing both me 1 and 2 then you get the pc version but simply put right now you can get me1 and 2 on 360 or pc for less then you can get 1 game on the ps3...and about 3-4 dlc items as well.

Me2 ps3=inferior in every way.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:27:00 AM

Except for the upscaled graphics to ME3's engine and the DLC that is INCLUDED with the game...

Didn't you just critisize someone else earlier about not knowing about the product they critisize?

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Cesar_ser_4
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:23:58 AM
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Oh yeah baby SCEWW is in control. In yo faces ms and nintendo!

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schillah
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:39:56 AM
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its true

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StangMan80
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:41:10 AM
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Amen. Those words are the best I've read in a long time. so true.

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Deleted User
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:24:49 PM
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All the Xbots on NeoGAF have to say about this is ripping Jack Tretton on the "hitting our stride" comment or how poorly the PS3 did early on. They know that Jack's telling the truth and the Xbots have nothing left to fall back on.

That website is garbage. It's nothing special other than all the video game celebrities who occasionally post there. Just a bunch of lonely nerds who have never been kissed and have no lives outside of cyberspace.

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Kiryu
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:32:38 PM

I don't know how David Jaffe likes that forum.

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Dreno
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 12:36:11 PM
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While I agree with most of what jack tretton said, id like to punch him right in the coin purse for saying no self respecting twenty something would be playing a ds pretty much in public.

Firstly I love the ds. Always have. I love the psp too of course.
But if I wanna play oh let's saw ff3 or ff4 or ff:ta what do I need to play those on? Hmmmm oh that's right a ds. I know the psp has its versions of the older ff games, but seriously, this guy is knocking a piece of hardware that some of sonys most loved games can be played on.

This guy, while he makes a very good point that the ps3 is still a beats while other console are running out of steam, is a major tool bag.

And yes I'm very aware that this nasty lil comment 'o' mine is gonna earn me some (probably) serious thumbs down, but come on jacky boy. How redundant is it to knock a device that let's you play some of sonys most beloved gems from back in the day?

In closing, id like to say that this guy is about 50/50 right and wrong. But that still makes him a weiner.

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Dreno
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:01:12 PM
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After re-reading my comment in my head, just wanted to add that :

Yes I know sony didn't make the ff games, ss did. And I know originally they. Were on the nes and snes. But ever since I played my first ff (ff7) on the the ps, I've always viewed the ff series as being part of sony. Even though that in this gen they went multi plat.

Just didn't want my first comment to make me look completely ignorant.

I can settle for a little bit though.

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:03:59 PM

Thing about Final Fantasy is Square jumped Nintendo's ship in favor of better hardware(PS1). This gen they have done the opposite. They jumped Sony's ship in favor of profits.

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inVersion
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:10:44 PM
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I would hope Sony releases the "PS4" the same year Microsoft releases the "Xbox 720," and not year later as before. I would be afraid of seeing Microsoft gain another yearlong head start with Sony playing catch-up all over again.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:18:57 PM

It's all about the price. Americans don't like buying expensive quality hardware, simple as that.

Cheap and faulty is where it's at!

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inVersion
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:40:34 PM

More to it than that, bud.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 2:13:12 PM

Percentage wise that's how it goes. Look at the Wii, it was the lower priced console and it flew out of the shelves.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:13:06 PM

Wii's lower price point isn't why it flew off the shelves, IMO.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:35:54 PM

in this economy yes a lot of people went with the cheapest option they could afford/stand. i have a buddy that couldnt afford the ps3 so he got a wii and waited til ps3 was cheaper. my cousin picked up a 360 as he wanted the better graphics and couldnt afford the ps3. he too picked up the ps3 when the price dropped. now my buddy with the wii doesnt even have that thing hooked up. my cousin plays his 360 maybe a quarter of what he is on his ps3.

at this point we still have yet to hear anything at all about any new system from anyone. unless M$ wants to surprise everyone it seems to me they think the 360 is doing just fine and doesnt need an upgrade.

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GuyverLT
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 1:17:11 PM

@MyWorstNightmar

I have a great deal of respect for Nintendo but let's be realistic here if the wii had the same price range as the 360 or PS3 do you honestly think it would have racked in as many sells... Let me answer that for you.. Ah No... It would more than likely be sitting somewhere in between the sales of the 360 and PS3 @ best hell it might have even been in last place instead of the PS3.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:06:50 AM

Scarecrow - Stereotyping is rather ignorant, no?

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Scarecrow
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:19:43 PM
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Owning a 360 at this moment is a joke.

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kraygen
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:31:22 PM

yup, but it's not a very funny one, weird.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:15:33 PM

True. Same can be said for owning a Wii. I'm a Wii appologist around here, but facts are facts. Sony continues to bring the lumber in terms of mind blowing exclusives month after month.

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GuyverLT
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 9:17:26 AM

Well @ least the Wii has they're own set of exclusives coming out this year Microsoft only has like two or three I think. I still like my 360 though.

P.S. I'm still hoping that rumor about Microsoft buying the rights to True Crime: Hong Kong wasn't just a rumor so I can at least have more than 1 game to play on the 360 this year.

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Cabalavatar1
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 10:34:18 PM

While I'm "upping" your comment, I want to add a caveat that Gears of War 3 makes owing a 360 still useful for me. Gears and Fallout 3 (because it was vastly superior on 360) were the precise reasons why I bought a 360. Most often, it rests unused on my desk; whereas, I play my PS3 on almost a daily basis.
If it weren't for a very select few exclusives, I'd say that you're totally right IMO.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 10:08:28 AM

One could argue that owning a PS3 the first two years of its existence was a "joke". The 360's future (this year anyway) doesn't look too bright. Can't think of anything besides Gears 3 that I need to own (although I am REAL excited for that....right up there with Uncharted 3). However, the 360 provided me with MANY good years of gaming, online and off. So I don't think it's really a "joke" to own it.

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Lord carlos
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:23:48 PM
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The very reasons i bought a PS3 in march 2007
Still cutting edge
Enough said mofo's!!

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whosthedoc
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:40:25 PM
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I see a big problem in our future. With the PS4 futhrer off in the distance than the Next Box, I think we are going to see an even bigger gap in the performance end of the hardware this time. Even though the PS3 was only launched a year after the 360, it is at least 2 or 3 years ahead of the 360 in power. Now we might be looking at a 2 year gap this time around, and if the companys follow similar business models we could have a 3 to 4 year difference in graphics crunching tech. The real problem comes in when multi-plats stick to thier idea of "same on both systems". We are already getting screwed by the DVD format and less than stellar performance from the 360. Next gen the PS and 360 are going to have some real troubles playing together. I know that most companys, EA and Activision, are not going to want to deal with the added cost of developing 2 completely different games, and then the rabid fanboy comparisons between games designed for each system, so we are going to be stuck playing PS3.5 games. On the bright side Sony's exclusives will blow the competition out of the water.

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bluedarrk
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:43:29 PM
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I bought a 360 when it came out and purchases a ps3 when that came out don't hardly touch my 360 anymore well I'm scared to since I've gotten the red ring of death twice!!!!!!! My ps3 runs smoothly I play it roughly 10 hours a week. My 360 crapped out the first time within 6 months. Ms can release its new system but if it doesn't have any great games whats the point? Also 50% of the 360s break so I don't want to waste any money on another Ms system that will break down. I'm super pumped for the NGP though sorry the 3ds hurts my eyes after about 10 min of play. And when you turn off the 3d then its just a normal ds to me.

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DazeOfWar
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 2:19:41 PM

Ya I went through 6 360s. After buying my PS3 3 yrs ago I gave up on my 360 within 3 months. I sold it and picked up a PSP instead. I love my PS3 and have never looked back or even missed playing my 360. I just feel like it's a superior system.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:44:17 PM
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the ps3 is so cutting edge i bought 2.

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SvenMD
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 5:00:42 PM

Haha! Nice.

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kraygen
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:51:56 PM
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I'm glad he's not afraid to point out the facts. I know xbots will blow it off as fanboyism, but it'd be nice if this kind of thing ended up on the news instead of stupid stuff like kinect.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:17:49 PM

Ha, well at least Sony gives us good reason to be fanboys.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 1:58:22 PM
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He's got points about PS3 and 360, but the DS stuff is insane. They maybe aiming for casuals a lot now, but the DS is their firm grasp on their market old and new.

I don't really like it when Nintendo get bad mouthed. They paved the way for Sony game consoles, regardless of what you think of Nintendo's current consoles.

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Scarecrow
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 2:17:36 PM

Exactly. You might dislike Nintendo's Wii, but Nintendo does almost as much good to the video game industry as Sony.

They always innovate just like Sony and their exclusives are some of the most artistic and pure quality games you could get your hands on.

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Lotusflow3r
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 3:46:36 PM

Couldn't agree more, scarecrow.

They have Zelda.....need i say anymore???

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Cabalavatar1
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 10:40:54 PM

So go ahead and appreciate them for what they've done in the past. However, always bear in mind that the past does not necessarily bear permanent imprints on the present. I used to love my NES and SNES and even N64. But since Gamecube, they've been far too far behind in technology. Regardless of any artistic value anyone may invest or appreciate in a Nintendo exclusive, it is entirely UNACCEPTABLE this generation to put out games in only Standard Definition. Nintendo lags behind in technology, and, yes that company and its exclusive devs should most certainly be judged for that fact.

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 2:32:59 PM
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Wow, way to keep it classy, Jack.

Jack really comes off as a douche bag here. I'm 19 and I love Pokemon on the DS, wherever I go. Sounds like someone has sour grapes that Nintendo has kicked Sony's ass sales wise.

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 12:24:47 AM

Um....ironically, you criticize him for a lack of class that you are unable to display yourself. Well done you!

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:28:51 AM

I applaude Highlander for calling a Spade a "Spade".

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 2:35:12 PM
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In today's world, yes. If it wasn't for Nintendo their would be no Playstation.

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Wissam
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 3:24:23 PM

This guy speaks the truth.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:56:17 PM

if there was no playstation there would be no xbox.

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Wissam
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 3:28:15 PM
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Sure the ps3 is cutting edge. and it will hold its own against the new xbox or the next ninty console. as for ngp it will rock if they launched it with a proper line up.

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tes37
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 3:37:44 PM
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I believe he's right about the competition in need of new consoles. I know I'm ready for all games to look at least as good as Sony exclusives.

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Dreno
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 3:55:56 PM
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@jawk

I read on the ff7 wikipedia ( to further understand the ff7 universe with all its sequels and spin offs and what have you ) and I read that square had orginially slated ff7 for the n64 but decided to go with the playstation because they couldn't fit all the games data in the confines of the n64 game cartridge, so they went with ps and discs.

I'm sure profit played a major role too as you said.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 4:18:49 PM
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I don't hate Nintendo, but I do dislike the fact that they haven't really anything successful outside of the world of Mario or Zelda. I love the fact that Playstation always takes risks, yes not always with a positive outcome but if noone takes a risk noone would get anywhere. I do wonder tho...will the new systems be more powerful than the PS3? Or maybe the PS3 is going to be the first platform to last to the next gen!

I agree with the whole DS thing tho, I have one and had to give it to my girlfriend cuz the games just weren't for me, she barely plays it cuz the games just are either too childish or just plain suck.

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jdt1981
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 4:25:38 PM
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I really hope M$ does release their next console soon because I'm sick of the xbox 360 and it's lack of HDD and limited DVD capacity gimping third party muti-platform games.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 5:33:42 PM

Wow. Just....wow.

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jdt1981
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 6:06:32 PM

Do you have an issue with my comment? It's hard to respond to "Wow. Just....wow."...

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 7:01:30 PM

Don't mind him and is flame baiting. There was nothing wrong or factually incorrect about your comment.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 8:10:22 PM

Your comment IS accurate in a sense. But you might as well say that about every system that came before the Playstation 3. It's as if no gaming experience in history has ever been equal to a Cell-processed Blu Ray game. People jump on multi disc but some of the greatest games ever created has been on multi-discs(FF7-9, MGS, Resident Evil 2 and 4, etc., etc.). And another fun fact: one of the best games on PS2, ICO, is a blue back(cd) game. Was it's greatness 'gimped' because it wasn't on a DVD? People complain about hard drives but it just echoes what the Xbox faithful were saying last geneneration in this very silly and very stupid 'war'. And, in all honesty, the hard drive has brought more headaches. DLC(some are great, but most are cheap cash ins), forced installs, and game patches. Would you say that the PS2 'gimped' it's entire amazing library because it was the least powerful of the gen? Or the PS1?

Don't get me wrong. I am very happy how far games have come. I remember being excited about a game named Gekido for PS1 because the characters were designed by Joe Madureira. The only real influence seemed to be the manual. Now, I look at Darksiders and I'm blown away that machines can render his great art style in real time. What I'm saying is that there will always be something better than what we have at this very moment. Believe in the devs to create their magic with the tools and budget they have available to them.

All that being said, my comment of 'Wow. Just...wow.' was just in response to how incredibly hackneyed your original comment was. Right down to the dollar sign and the use of the term 'gimped'.

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 8:40:34 PM

Micro$hite $uck$

MWAHAHAHHAHAA!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 9:01:01 PM

The only problem with the comparison is that in the days of FFVII and other multi-disc games, there was no other option; there was nothing more advanced. In this case, there certainly is something more advanced and more convenient. More discs multiplies potential problems. It's why I couldn't finish Lost Odyssey; the third disc didn't work correctly at the end.

We risked the same thing before, but that's because developers had no choice. You certainly weren't going to fit all that CGI on a cartridge.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:04:16 PM

Look at the n64's real time rendered worlds versus all of the PS1 needs for pre-render. that was to get around the weakness of the system. So were games worse because of the lack of power? Same with PS2 versus Xbox. Xbox was the better option last gen in terms of the most power available. Games like NFL2K5 benefitted greatly from that hard drive.

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jdt1981
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 11:35:14 PM

The argument against Blu-Ray for games is to just put games on multiple disks but for some reason most developers would rather gimp their game in order to fit it on one DVD instead of use multiple disks on the 360. That might be because M$ charges royalties on multi-disk games according to John Carmack, or it's because some games like GTA that are extremely open ended would be very annoying on multiple disks.

So what ends up happening? We either get games like FFXIII that are spread over multiple disks but are extremely linear or we get more open ended games on 1 to 2 disks that are filled with dull and repetitive environments like Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect, ES:Oblivion, etc. Now linearity in and of itself isn't a problem for me but games like Final Fantasy have a history of at least some open-endedness and now all a sudden it's an "on the rails" twitch game.

Also when I think of all the multi-platform games that are on a single DVD I can't help but wonder how much of a richer experience that game could've had if the developers could take advantage of a Blu-Ray disk. Take the first Mass Effect for example. What if all the explorable side quest planets weren't so dull, repetitive and boring? I'm sure it was like that because they wanted the game on a single DVD. So when I talk about the xbox 360 gimping third party multi-platform games this is what I'm talking about.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:10:16 AM

Jdt - It's why most of my purchases are PS3 exclusives. I know what I am getting with those.

Only a few multiplatform devs take care of business.

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WNDRTWN1
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 5:23:27 PM
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He is pretty much on point when it comes to the comments about the PS3 and 360. But as far as the handheld comments he needs to get a grip. I'm not a twenty-something and I don't own a DS but do own a PSP. Nintendo is obviously doing something right when it comes to the handheld market. My mom owns a DS and plays that thing everyday!! I understand its good business sometimes to take jabs at the competition and all but at the same time I can't stand it. They all (hardware manufacturers and developers) just need to stop talking so much crap and bring what we the consumer wants and own up what they promised. So, Jack here is what you need to do to back up those words. Make sure I continue to get the most top-notched exclusives, AAA and innovative games on the PS3. You will be fine there. Now when it comes to the NGP or whatever you guys are going to eventually call it. Make sure it has all the bells and whistles that you talked about. It needs to have that reasonable price and not a outrageous price that the average consumer can't easily get their hands on it. A very simple way to access 3G without breaking the bank, something like how the Kindle is setup. Last but I believe one the most important fact, a launch line-up that is the best launch line-up than any other gaming system ever had. If you don't have this believe me a lot of people will make you eat half of your words for talking jabs at the competition. Just because the PS3 is finally hitting its stride, doesn't mean you can sit back now and start beating on your chest like you just conquered the world. As much as I love both my PSP and PS3, both D1 purchases. The way you (Sony) go about doing your businees isn't flawed in anyway. If it wasn't then the PS3 launch wouldn't have been as horrible as it was. Just do what you know you need to do and then those words that was just said will be even more powerful.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 7:55:46 PM

man your post is really hard to read. try to break them up a little with paragraphs or something.

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cLoudou
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 1:20:05 AM

A pickaxe?

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CoolBLKguy
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 6:12:53 PM
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I'll agree with 360 and Wii running out of steam when it comes to games. I can't remember the last time I've played a Wii or 360 exclusive that blew my mind or I can add to my favorites list. I remember the previous gens when it was just Sony, Sega and Nintendo. Each console had a vast library of great exclusives that you had to play and it was a must owning every console. Look at this year, including 2 games already released the PS3 has roughly 10 exclusives I'm super excited about that are pretty much guaranteed to deliver and some I'm probably forgetting while the Wii and 360 have one exclusive each that I kind of want to play which is Gears 3 and Zelda.

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Minishmaru
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 1:57:40 PM

I'll throw Alan Wake out there. I think that's the only game I've been impressed with as of late that is only on the box

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 6:15:19 PM
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Every generation there are both games and consoles that you are best just waiting to buy until they are defunkt. 360 is one such console, it isn't worth what it costs so I'll wait until its real cheap so that I can play Lost Odyssey Alan Wake, and DOA4. I think those are the only games that I want on there.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 7:41:07 PM
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About Nintendo carving the way for Sony ~ That's not entirely true now though is it? You can say Nintendo saved the gaming industry back in 1983, but that's like saying I don't know...without the Americans we wouldn't be able to be on the moon. The russians were gunna get their eventually.

I was born when Sony first gave birth the Playstation brand, and since then Nintendo hasn't done so much in the way of innovation, has it? It's been lagging behind Sony in all factors for a long time.

Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't research these things y'know :)

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frylock25
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 7:49:53 PM

the only place that nintendo has been pushing that others have not is the handheld market. it went from the sega gamegear to the psp before nintendo had any real fight. console wise, they have not been very innovative in a long time. you could call the wii half innovative. to much of a gimmick to be a real innovation.

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Deadman
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 10:10:24 AM

Without Nintendo there would possibly be no Playstation.

Nintendo was looking to make a CD-ROM add-on for the SNES, They approached Sony for the design. Nintendo and Sony had a conflict on how the revenue from the games would be split. Nintendo broke off it's deal with Sony and went to Phillips instead.

This of course pissed off Sony since they had spent a considerable amount money, time, and energy on the tech. Sony released the Playstation to directly rival Nintendo. The rest is history.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 5:09:17 PM

Ye me knows that. I meant since the playstation brand was born they haven't been innovative and have being lagging behind sony.

For the record I still think my 'American~Russian space race' logic apllies to this in that Sony would have made use of CD's in games wether Nintendo prompted them in the design process or not. (Speculation ofcourse.. :))

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:41:19 AM

@Deadman

I thought it was a CD-rom for the new N64?? I could be wrong.

All I know is that they worked extensively on a new system together, Nintendo decided for whatever reasons to scrap it and go back to cartridges while Sony simply made their own system, since they were likely more than halfway there.

I even remember looking at the PS1 with MUCH skeptisism since much of it's marketing was like infomercials at the beginning.

At any rate, I don't really see Nintendo and Sony as console rivals. They are definitely Handheld rivals whether they accept it or not.

But on consoles, their markets and type of games and visual quality are SO SO different, that I believe they are actually a nice compliment to one another.

I would have an easier time owning a PS3 and Wii than a PS3 and 360. PS3 and 360 attempt to reach too much of the same market that there's an incredible amount of crossover. There's next to NO cross-over with the Wii, so it makes sense that a PS3 and Wii combined would offer the most diverse gaming experience.

I loved the first two Halos, and I like Halo 3's multiplayer quite a bit. But I'm not paying to use my internet access I already pay my cable company for. So I stick to playing with my friends that have 360's. I also don't care for Gears of War, although admittedly, I only played the first a lot, and only dabbled in the second. But i can easilly do without.

So aside from those two titles, I see no benefit to a 360. Cross game chat would not be helpful to me, as I have a hard time multitasking to carry conversations when we are playing the same game, let alone two different ones.

So for me, I'm a Sony fan first, but I've got nothing against Nintendo.

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Deadman
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 4:20:42 PM

No it was SNES. If you remember at the time both Sega and NEC(TurboGraphix 16) both had CD add-ons Ninty was trying to catch up and cash in. They weren't developing a new system just an add-on to there current console.

The split between them came when Sony wanted a cut of all software sales, in addition to hardware sales. Nintendo only wanted to give them a cut of hardware sales.

On he argument on Nintendo remaining innovative since the Playstation hit the market. When Force Feedback was introduced it was by Nintendo with the Rumble Pack on N64 controllers. Sony followed suit with the Dual Shock.

The DS, a touch screen portable. Now they may have got the idea from PDAs but to utilize that for gaming was new. You could say it paved the way for touch screen phones.

Sure Sony introduced motion gaming on the PS2 with EyeToy. But Nintendo did something special with it on the Wii. The fact that both Sony and MS are both trying to cash in on the Trend/Phase/Fad speaks for itself.

Wow that is kind of a rant there. Possibly my longest post here ever.

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The Iron Jedi
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 7:46:54 PM
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I'd been waiting for this story to be posted here so that I could comment. From a perspective that people don't think about so much I would imagine, and that's down to DLC licences. I discovered yesterday that you are unable to transfer your game licences and DLC and be able to play it more than once every twelve months on the XBOX.

So MS is locking people out of being able to use their content if for example their XBOX should die and the data was transferred less than twelve months before. With Sony you can transfer between multiple PS3's with no limitations. I was considering keeping my XBOX just to play Forza and Gears 3 when it comes out, but after discovering this, I refuse to do so.

Once again, this shows that MS are a company living in the past and Sony continue to move forward.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 7:51:31 PM

that is retarded

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WilliamRLBaker
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 11:09:46 AM

LOL wow you actually don't own a 360 do you? and then you go off and lie about things too.

There are quite a few limitations on the ps3 in this regard.
1.you get 5 game content activations you better not transfer any content to a friends ps3 or you will be banned and some content cannot be transfered regardless of systems activated because the developer locked that out.
2.you get 1 movie activation per account so the first system you buy a movie on or activate is the main system with no ability to download and watch movies on any other system under that account.
3.deactivating your ps3 if its destroyed lost or stolen you better have the original receipt you purchased that ps3 with or sony will give you all sorts of trouble deactivating that system since you have to go into settings your self and deactivate each system if you didn't before this happend sony will be less then reluctant to do it for you requiring a original purchase receipt.

360
you get 1 license transfer a year that you can do your self. If your 360 dies and you get it repaired all licenses are transfered automatically if you purchase a new one it takes all of 5 minutes to call Microsoft and get your licenses transfered.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 4:29:51 PM

@WilliamRLBaker


You don't get banned from transferring content to a friend, where the hell did you get that idea from? You are only able to transfer data to 5 people that are on the PS3, all they have to do is deactivate the PS3 on your account and blam! You can keep sharing as long as it's the 5 people on the PS3.

I suppose you don't have a PS3 as well.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 5:06:58 PM

Oops, i mean once they deactivate their PS3 on your account you can add another person and keep sharing.

I'm not sure if they changed it or not but that's how me and my brother used to share with other friends.

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The Iron Jedi
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 7:02:07 AM

I was just making a comment that I don't especially like the MS DRM system on the XBOX, and yes I do still own a 360 at the moment.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:12:32 AM

Why do Xbots attack the PS3 when someone points out the fault(s) of the 360?

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PSTan
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:11:02 PM
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I knew I made the right choice buying a PS3. Now everyone is jumping onto the PS3 bandwagon. It's not bad at all, but people should have realized which console not named the Wii was the better choice from the beginning of the seventh generation.

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FM23
Saturday, April 09, 2011 @ 10:40:11 PM
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You know whats funny...no one seems to point out how arrogant thse statements come off. Don't speak too soon. I love my PS3, but its clear most software sales go to Xbox. And as far as handhelds go...Sony must know people over twenty don't care for handheld gaming (well most). Nintendo sales most of those handheld systems to kids...KIDS. I don't know anyone around my way that has a nintendo DS who is over twenty and the people who had a PSP don't even use it. Sony should watch what they say because tomorrow Microsoft or Nintendo might release something that destroys thm. Who knows.

With that said...I love my PS3 and he is right on!

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 12:29:33 AM

Oh? The PS3 generates more revenue for EA than the 360, and has done for at least two years now. There are more PS3s active and installed than 360, and yet somehow you think the 360 generates more software sales. Say, I bet you don't include all the BluRays bought to play on the PS3 as a Blu Ray player either.

Basically, you're wrong about the 360 generating more software sales than PS3 - unless of course you're being awfully parochial and talking only of the US.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:13:41 AM

Brother, I sure hope, as Highlander said, that you are only counting the USA.

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PharaohJR
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 12:05:22 AM
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i like wii & 360.... its jus that when i get ready 2 spend $$$ i want the material to be quality, reliable, performance & relevant threw changing times.... out the 3 consoles now PS3 is the better buy. however if $$$ isnt a issue i always recommend or i myself would purchase all systems for there exclusive games.

the ps3 continues to release innovative features & software wheras 360 & wii.... we aint seeing nothing. i said it before i think micro & nintendo might jump early & start next generation & for some reason i feel like nintendo got something up there sleeve for next gen. as far as this gen goes i wonder what more will be revealed about ps3 content.

with NPG having the same power as PS3 i cant imagine what next sony consolse will offer....

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JDC80
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 12:25:39 AM
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Mr.Tretton came out with guns a blazing, it's nice to see Sony taking shots at the competition and not the other way around for a change. Back in 2007 the only thing that made me consider getting a 360 was price and three things happen 1. I found out the real price when have to buy accessories for the 360 2. I found out the burnout rate for the 360 and 3. the 399.99 40GB PS3 came out.

I'm not going to bash Nintendo because I was a Nintendo fanboy back in the day so bashing them would be like talking about an old girlfriend like a dog. But I don't see the mass appeal of the Wii sure there are games on it worthwhile but it seems most of their games are party titles.
As for handhelds I always believe part of the PSP problem has been marketing. When the PSP has a great game how many ads on tv do you see? Not many.

As for the Xbox 2011 marks another year where you see another major 360 exclusive series comes to an end, Mass Effect 3 was poised to be a big exclusive for the 360 but now PS3 owners can play both Uncharted 3 and Mass Effect 3(without owning an 360 or playing the pc version). And let's not forget a pro 360 company Valve claimed their game on the PS3 will be the best version of them all.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 12:26:17 AM
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these comments make this guy sound like some of ms execs i have come to despise. he justs sounds like a complete ass. the more this guy talks the less i like him.

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Underdog15
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 1:16:28 AM

In my experience, as is the case in your example, a-holes don't ever bother me...

Unless they are absolutely right.

Perhaps that is why it doesn't sit right with you.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 2:47:43 PM

it's just the arrogant tone of it. it reminds me of the greenberg quote that halo had outsold every ps3 exclusive combined. there was some truth to that quote as well but it was how it was said that annoyed me so much. same way with this quote.

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Underdog15
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 4:34:29 PM

Well, no, that Halo quote is misleading in that those "Halo sales" were for the series as a whole for 360 AND PC. So yeah, when you combine 2 platforms, that's easy to do.

Additionally, he said the Halo series sold more than all PS3 exclusives combined. Which means he included Halo 1 and 2. Not even apart of the PS3 generation.

I could go off and say that the Super Mario franchise has outsold all 360 exclusives combined, but that sort of information is irrelevant and incomparable. It's the exact same type of point to make.

SONY's executive made a comment exclusive to this generation, so it's far more relevant and accurate of a comparison. There inlies the difference.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 6:26:13 PM

i messed up greenbergs qoute. he said halo 3 had outsold all ps3 exclusives combined so he was talking about this gen. he still sounded like an ass even if he was right at the time.

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FM23
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 9:56:05 PM

Hey excelsior, don't speak against anything Sony pro on here...no one will agree with you. I agree with what your saying though. The tone is arrogant like a mutha f*cka which I hate alot.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:16:53 AM

I agree with you excelsior. Sony shouldn't be talking like their Microsoft.

FM23. Not true. I find that a majority of anti-Sony comments when spoken with facts are received here.

When someone however, speaks an opinion like excelsior did, people are going to disagree with him. Such is the way of the internet.

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___________
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 2:14:18 AM
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sigh.
is there one moment where this guys head is not up his a$$?

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aaronisbla
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 5:15:39 AM

we often wonder the same about you

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___________
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 9:17:17 AM

that wasnt predictable.......
whose we?
got a mouse in your pocket?

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aaronisbla
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 12:53:28 PM

lets not get on someone being predictable. Your rants and contradictions are like clockwork

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Underdog15
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 4:35:15 PM

It's true. AND he lacks the ability to accurately read a response from anyone.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:18:06 AM

Mr __________

He's right. You only come here to complain. I have only seen a few of your posts that aren't some type of rant.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 5:18:22 AM
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Tretton could have done without the handheld comments, but he does make good points on the other things. All in all though, he does come off sounding a little Aaron Greenburgish, even if a bit of what he is saying is the truth

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WilliamRLBaker
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 10:56:45 AM
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LOL wheres my 1200 tretton I mean since at launch the shelves were filled with ps3's and yet the system was outselling all competitors right?

Now thats done with Motion gaming yet you just got done releasing...motion sensing...any one remember how he likened the Wii mote to a lollipop...? what does the PS move look like again?

Remember when the ps3 still hasn't managed to outsell the 360 world wide? is still 160 million software sales behind? and not only that it took 4 years for it to finally get 2 more high scoring exclusives?

As for baby sitting toys...Didn't one of those completely destroy your baby sitting toy? as for that who's the spokes person for psp? oh its a little kid...

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Underdog15
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 4:36:30 PM

lol way to not address the relevance of his current comments

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Ludicrous_Liam
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 5:10:36 PM

Haha Underdog, my thoughts exactly.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 7:51:57 PM

Yeah. Guess who's a troll?

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FM23
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 9:57:06 PM

Whoa...you sound mad William.

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Cabalavatar1
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 10:45:08 PM

First, would you care to provide any EVIDENCE for your outlandish claims regarding software sales or do you just enjoy spouting off unsupported diatribes?
Second, Ben's article addressed quality of technology, not quantity of sales. You're entirely off-topic and guilty of committing a logical fallacy. Good job.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:19:15 AM

It's another Xbot on the defensive!!

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Mornelithe
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 11:24:34 AM
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It's not really the competition's steam they have to worry about. It's their marketing brilliance. Whatever issues I have with MS aside, they can sell anything, to pretty much anyone simply on word of mouth and media frenzy alone.

Sony's done a great job with the Kevin Butler campaign, but they need more than just that. Unfortunately, no matter what they do they know they can't afford to spend as much as Microsoft, so they need to be more creative with their strategy imo.

As far as games go, I've always been interested more in Sony than MS, their exclusives are by far more compelling than Microsofts (Warning: Opinion). So really they never lost any steam to me.

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 12:30:45 AM

Microsoft? Marketing Genius? Sell products on word of mouth alone?

I only have one thing to mention in reply.

Windows Phone 7.


That is all.

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 12:30:45 AM

Microsoft? Marketing Genius? Sell products on word of mouth alone?

I only have one thing to mention in reply.

Windows Phone 7.


That is all.

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Mornelithe
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 8:44:45 AM

Hmmm, is Sony's games division having to worry allot about Microsofts phone division? Is that what this article was about. Man, I gotta read things more carefully next time. *rolls eyes*

Take a look at the sales charts son, how many PS3 games have outsold 360 games? Hmmm? Halo? Gears of War? Hmmm? These games aren't THAT good, so the sales are coming from....*gasp* no way....marketing strategy!

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:33:46 AM

You said;

"Whatever issues I have with MS aside, they can sell anything, to pretty much anyone simply on word of mouth and media frenzy alone. "

I replied to that. Is there a comprehension problem?

::rolls eyes::

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 10:11:21 AM

And then he went on to talk about Sony's GAMING marketing campaign. So it was pretty clear he was refering to MS's marketing campaign for its gaming division. Since, ya know, thats what the article was about.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 10:53:55 AM

Jimmy, that man in your picture is certainly not handsome.

Now that that's cleared up, to be fair, he did say Microsoft could sell "anything". Highlander pointed out that they can sell anything, except the phone.

Lighten up over the irrelevant miss-cues fellas.

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 10:54:48 AM

I'm not going to bother arguing with people who cannot see the bigger picture of Microsoft.

Underdog,

They also could not sell their other portable gaming platform - the Zune. The Zune was supposed to be a companion device to the 360, but it didn't sell sufficiently well to generate even a murmur of word of mouth. The Windows Phone 7 roll out was also meant to push the Windows phone in a number of ways, including as a mobile gaming platform. Oops.

As for Jimmyhandsome, I'm beginning to think that he's simply here to post annoying retorts.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:09:30 AM

He's not meant to be handsome. Oh the Irony!

I'm trying to lighten the mood here, boys. No reason to be at each other's throats so early in the AM....not to mention rolling your eyes first thing!

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Mornelithe
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:12:23 AM

@ TheHighlander: So, I'm assuming you're convinced that Microsoft actually put some marketing muscle behind the Zune, and the Windows 7 Phone. Because, it occurs to me I haven't seen shit for ads regarding either. You follow, or are you too busy looking at grammar and punctuation discrepancies to have an actual conversation?

Do us all a favor, and don't bother responding when all you have to say is semantic garbage, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Had Microsoft put in as much time and effort into advertising for the Zune and Win 7 Phone, you can bet your ass it would've sold like hot cakes, just like Kinect moved a truckload of units, just like the 360 has moved a truckload of units. Anything Microsoft puts it's marketing muscle behind, tends to sell very very well. Of course, blind fanboyism and grammar-nazi's are too clouded with stupid to see that.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:49:24 AM

@Mornelithe
You're actually the only one that's really out of line here, if I'm honest.

Anyways, I have seen ads for them. The Zune has tones of ads, was talked about on talk shows... Craig Furguson actually made fun of it extensively.

The Windows phone was advertised internationally at large events. It also had plenty of air time across the globe.

My next post when approved will show the Windows phone ad. I would be surprised if you didn't see it. I've seen it more than a handful of times already.

Basically, Microsoft did market it. And they hyped it beforehand too! EXTENSIVELY! People just didn't want it. Why? Because people who want that type of thing already know the iPhone and Blackberry brands, and the Windows phone doesn't offer anything that is groundbreaking or new technology. So tech nuts aren't interested either.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:49:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHlN21ebeak

Here's the Windows phone ad.

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 12:02:07 PM

Morne,

If you can show me one example of my picking on the spelling or grammar of any poster anywhere I'll be extreme shocked - unless said nitpicking is targeted at a troll.

Regarding Zune and windows Phone 7, I'm not sure under which rock you live, but there ha been plenty of media blitz for WP7, and Zune was promoted quite heavily before vanishing beneath the waves.

If you want to pick a fight with me, go for it, don't be disappointed if I fail to respond. whatever respect I had for your views pretty much evaporated in this exchange.

Good day sir.

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Mornelithe
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 12:21:11 PM

@ Highlander: So the Zune and Win 7 phone received half a billion in advertising? Really? lol. Right. The amount of ads for Win 7 phones and Zune, were paltry in comparison to Kinect. Paltry. That you'd even try to argue otherwise, is hilarious.

Oh and I'll be staying up tonight, crying about the lost respect. Really I will. There's no need for fights, simply don't respond next time and we won't have this problem.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 1:07:23 PM

@Morne
You really gotta do your research dude. Microsoft definitely -did- spend that kind of money.

Here's some links about ad costs for Windows Phone 7:

http://www.edibleapple.com/microsoft-to-spend-upwards-of-500-million-for-windows-phone-7-launch-but-will-it-be-enough/

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=16977&news=Microsoft+Windows+Phone+7+ATT

There seems to be some discrepency between whether it was 400mil or 500mil, but that's irrelevant. It's still near half a billion, as you just claimed it wasn't.

Just keeping it facts-forward here.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 2:11:15 PM

Once approved the above links show Microsofts total spending on advertising for the Windows phone.

You'll be shocked.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 3:27:22 PM

GET 'EM UNDERDOG!!!!!!!!!

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Highlander
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 3:30:33 PM

Zune costs - Hundreds (plural) of millions of dollars.

From July 2006

Robbie Bach ""We think of this in the hundreds of millions of dollars of investment" ... "It is something that is going to take time. This is not a six-month initiative."

http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-sees-Zune-effort-as-a-long-haul/2100-1041_3-6099299.html

He's talking about marketing costs going forward from launch.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 4:11:35 PM

GO GET 'EM HIGHLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ludicrous_Liam
Tuesday, April 12, 2011 @ 7:50:31 PM

Don't stop now! I just got my popcorn!!

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sobleck
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 1:17:41 PM
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OI! I'm a self respecting 20 something year old, and i certainly enjoyed learning spanish on my DS. Que pasa hombre?!

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AnonWTF
Sunday, April 10, 2011 @ 6:26:15 PM
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BS, he obviously doesn't know the demographic of ds. There are plenty of 20+ year old people who have a ds not even including Japan =).

Lets not forget who got stream rolled in this gen handheld system. BURN!

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 9:20:26 AM

Well, from my perspective, the only people I know that play the DS are children aged 5-12.

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Mornelithe
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 11:19:58 AM

Well, to be fair yes, there are those who aren't 'kids' who play/own a DS. However, through Nintendo's own admission they do not make adult games, so it's pretty clear that they know who their demographic is, and are catering to that segment of the populace, and not the few adults who own DS'.

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AnonWTF
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 1:47:09 PM

@maxpontiac
Exactly! From your perspective which is very small compared to how many people live on the earth. Anyone else could easily say, "all handhelds (psp included) are for kids because that is all I see playing them."

@Mornelithe
Yes, but saying DS demographic is purely for "kids" (example: dora the explorer the game) is just ignorant in my book. In which he obviously doesn't know the demographics of ds and was just talking trash. What about ninja gaiden? Or the games that are for everyone and not geared to only kids? If I remember correctly, nintendo's campaign is to appeal to everyone/the FAMILY. Which is probably why psp got bombed this gen since it was only about mature/gadget gamers.

ps
when I was making my argument, I said not even including Japan. In which including Japan is definitely more than just a handful/few adults.

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Underdog15
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 2:09:43 PM

The major demographic is not an absolute for the types of people that engage in the activities.

For example, PS3 and XBOX ads are typically aimed at males between the ages of 18-25 because that is the main demographic they sell to and cater to. Obviously, not all XBOX and PS3 owners are between 18-25 and male. Girls also game and we KNOW by this site alone that there are plenty of PS3 owners well above age 25 and well below 18.

The Nintendo DS's main demographic is children to age 14/15. It is not the only demographic that play DS, obviously, but it is the main one. It's their main market, so it's who they market to, and children with a DS is the image Nintendo hopes to portray.

To me, it's important to make that distinction. DS is intended for children as PS3 is intended for young adults. But people are diverse no matter their demographic, so of course there will be people outside the marketing schematic interested in each type of game. Since it's widely accepted in advertising to pick a specific demographic, it is not incorrect to say the DS is for children.

It just isn't the whole story.

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AnonWTF
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 6:22:27 PM

@Underdog
hmmm okay I can agree with that, but Jack is still a prick for trying to take a stab at the adult ds population and a good chunk of Japan. He is going to need those people too, ;-p for his little ngp.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 12, 2011 @ 5:25:49 AM

Not interested in the DS, i am how ever going to be interested in the NGP. ;P

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 11, 2011 @ 3:09:42 PM
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Anon - Now while your logic is sound, you must take into consideration that I am typical father of two boys who play(ed) DS.

Plus, my four nephews and my one niece play DS as well. I can throw in my two co-workers children who play DS too.

That is a lot of DS playing children.

My guess is, I am pretty typical.

Well posted Underdog15.

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richfiles
Saturday, April 16, 2011 @ 7:42:41 AM
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Good thing I ain't a 20-something anymore! I'm 31, and am quite proud to show off my shiny new Nintendo 3DS.

Actually, I'm going to avoid the NGP for a while. It'll probably be very expensive, and I still don't trust Sony after all their legal and privacy shenanigans. Rootkits, demanding the names of any person that's ever visited certain websites or viewed content. I value my freedoms, and I value my privacy... Sony doesn't. NGP will be more of the same.

I'll buy Nintendo and Microsoft products for the time being, till Sony learns to stop being worse than Apple, or till I can buy used, and not pass any of my money into their corrupt coffers.

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