Sources: No New PlayStation Or Xbox Until 2014
See Full ImageHistorically speaking, we should be preparing for the next round of consoles right now.
But according to various industry sources, neither Sony or Microsoft are prepared to launch into the next generation until 2014. This according to Kotaku; it seems the two companies are seeking to extend the current console cycle, regardless of indications that Nintendo will launch a new system by the end of 2012.
One industry insider said, "Both MS and Sony are telegraphing to each other that they're delaying, to milk the current [generation] and fill in previous craters better." Other anonymous sources say Sony and Microsoft are thinking about 2014 as a target date, although 2013 is a possibility "if either company feels pushed."
As for what to expect, the source believes that any new Xbox in 2013 would be little more than a Kinect-upgraded system, rather than a full next-gen console. This source claims MS has no idea what parts would even come in the next Xbox, and the company is "wrestling with whether to be profitable on day one." M2 Research analyst Billy Pidgeon added:
"I think we'll see a game of chicken between Sony and Microsoft. Sony definitely isn't launching a successor before 2014 and could stand to benefit by having Microsoft launch first as PS3 builds in to North America and builds a strong position in Europe. Microsoft claims there's a lot more room in Xbox 360 for developers to max out, but here PS3 could have a strong advantage."
Personally, I'm good with what we've got now for another few years. How about you?
Tags: ps3, playstation 3, ps4, playstation 4, xbox 720
4/20/2011 8:50:01 PM John Shepard
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Riku994
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:10:08 PM
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DirtySkillzHD
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:11:19 PM
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Riku994
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:12:24 PM
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Eld
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:19:43 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:24:15 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:38:11 PM
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Imagi
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 2:56:11 AM
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Eld
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:13:44 PM
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xbox 720 - 2013
ps4 - 2014
Sony/MS can talk now, but it all depends how successful launch Wii 2 will have. If Nintendo does very well, there is much higher chance we'll see all out war in 2013.
Personally, I would like to see new gen happen in 2013. I'm not sure why people are freaking out so much. Even if ps4 gets released in 2013, first decent game would come out around 2015 or so. And it's not like ps3 game development would stop immediately.
Life is too short people:)
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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:13:48 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:22:55 PM
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Dreno
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:24:40 PM
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Although, moost likely I wnt be picking up a ps4 until like a year or so later. After all the little kinks have been straightened out and the price drops atleast a little.
Now before you start thumbs downing me for saying the above, every new hardware that gets released always has some issues right out the gate. Be they big or small. This gen did.
Hell, even look at the 3ds.
But I. WILL definately be getting the ps4. Just probably later rather than sooner. But that's all gravy with me.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:33:14 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:41:02 PM
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BigBoss4ever
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:52:09 PM
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what is visually better than blu-ray? until the industry figure that out, otherwise, the PS4 is just sort of minor upgrade of PS3 or more like a PS3-2.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:05:44 PM
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kraygen
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 1:41:01 AM
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Jawknee
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 2:16:56 AM
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RobiinzZ
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 2:28:04 AM
But a new disc format really isn't needed. Panasonic i think have already created a 16 layer 1tb prototype disc they wish to bring out in 2013 (or something like that)
But i've also read Sony could release a new format since it helps keep piracy down.
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kraygen
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 5:14:08 AM
Edit:2008 pioneer developed a 16 layer 400GB backwards compatible blu ray disc. I'll put link in separate reply. Supposedly they were supposed to be available 2010 but I haven't seen them. Most likely due to who would need a 400 GB blu ray disc.
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kraygen
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 5:29:00 AM
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pioneer-unveils-400gb-blu-ray-disc-416837
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32567/PS3-will-support-400GB-Blu-ray-discs
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kraygen
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:24:11 PM
So for it a hardware upgrade would be necessary.
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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:52:18 PM
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I want the quality and detail to have a huge jump that has to be seen to be believed, like the worst looking wii game to the best looking ps3 game or greater.
Sidenote, the wii2 has to be killer, cause, if you own both the ps3 and xbox, why purchase a third or another system?
There saying it has a controller with a 6 inch high def screen and it can download games from the console 2 it. And, there saying it has similar or equal graphic quality to that of the console.
Do you know how much that would cost? Just the controller alone? And there saying that this console is completely upgradeable, I don't think there just talking about hard drive upgrades either. I don't know, we'll see.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:07:06 PM
As for your question about why buy a Wii2 if you already own a PS3 and/or a 360? Because Nintendo has great first party franchises that are worth playing.
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godsman
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 6:54:37 AM
New games probably sell better on Xbox 360 and PS3 than Wii 2 due to the larger install base. For the next 3-4 years, Microsoft and Sony get sales boost from Wii 2.
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Alienange
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:52:38 PM
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I can't blame Nintendo for trying, but it's too damn late. Gamers have bought their consoles. No one, and I mean NO one, is going to buy the next Nintendo to play sissified versions of the adult games they can already buy on their current HD consoles.
Sony and MS have a grip on real gamers and they know it. That's why they're more than happy to milk this gen for many more years.
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:10:31 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:21:40 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:38:39 PM
Besides, for me, I buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo software and if third parties want to join the mix then that's just a bonus. I get sick of hearing this nonsense about how Nintendo fans "aren't real gamers".
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Eld
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:42:09 PM
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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:52:39 PM
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Alienange
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 3:09:57 PM
Wii's being in everyone's home is the very reason the Wii 2 won't sell. It'll be too expensive, the gimmick is old, and despite what you think about devs jumping ship to a more powerful machine, no, Nintendo has not, does not, and WILL not have good relationships with 3rd party devs. Or are you telling me 25 years later, Nintendo is going to pull a miracle out of it's red hat?
Take another look at the Wii 2. Rumors are, it's coming with a newfangled controller. It's called a "gamepad." Isn't THAT revolutionary now...
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Jawknee
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 7:10:43 PM
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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 8:16:46 PM
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marcusfrommo
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 11:48:16 PM
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It still baffles me that ign doesn't give sony's move it's props for m rated games, where xbox is offering only revamped wii casual friendly games for the kinnect.
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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:04:24 AM
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Jawknee
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:30:45 AM
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Scarecrow
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:16:11 AM
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Bloodysilence19
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 1:09:01 AM
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i know sony/ms aren't scared of what Nintendo has if they announce a new console this year. only problem is if Nintendo announces a new console with similar tech like pc have now, sony/ms are in deep crap. because than most big devs are going to develop more for Nintendo new console than ps3/360. its true believe it or not the hardware in both ps3/360 are slightly outdated compared to what tech is available now. though really its just the video cards/ram that's the outdated tech in the consoles. i just hope devs dont start getting to lazy and half ass their games if they have to wait till 2014 for sony/ms to announce new consoles.
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Dreno
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 1:36:38 AM
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Yeah for the 3ds the black screen of death was the main problem. But I believe they are making or made a patch for it. There was also other problems with it, like some peoples games weren't loading at all. Not sure if that would be the console or the cartriges.
If I remember correctly there was a few more minor ones, but from what. I read on g4, nintendo is diligently working on solutions.
So before you buy one, just read up on it. I wanna get one too, eventually, for oot of course.
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kraygen
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 1:45:34 AM
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Whatever MS releases it'll be more of a 360.5 than anything else. Kind of how the 360 was really just a barely upgraded xbox.
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Kiryu
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 1:52:36 AM
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Excelsior1
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 2:25:27 AM
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when i play a game like kz3 i start to imagine what a kz game would like on a next gen system, and get excitited. 2013 would be a better date, and i also think it would be foolish to underestimate the nintendo factor in this equation. no one thought they would be where they are now.
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Jawknee
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 2:34:29 AM
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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 11:01:25 AM
And echoing what Jawknee said, alot of us don't want to drop $400-600 on a new console. I didn't get my PS3 slim until the beginning of last year! I'd like to get a solid 3 more years out of it. And it'd be down right amazing if I could have gotten 9 years out of my 360 (not counting the 2 new 360's I got from MS as a result of the RROD) before having to buy a new console. I HATED the fact that there was only 4-6 years in between consoles. By the time you wait for a price drop there is already a new console on the horizon.
As cool as it would be to see what Killzone 4 would look like on the PS4, I'm fine with waiting until at least 2013-2014. Even then, I'll have a hard time justifying buying a new console within the first year of its release.
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BikerSaint
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 2:51:41 AM
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On a angry note, the company that I sent my PS3 out to for repair, sent me a email (with pics) Monday afternoon, telling me that they received it, but both the box & my PS3 arrived in damaged condition.
The right side near the front is pierced & crushed in like someone took a hammer to it.
I'm so frigging pissed at these f*cking gorilla package handlers at the USPS!!!!
I ran over to my post office but the post master said the claims guy only works from 2AM to 10AM. WTF, who puts claims in at 2 in the morning?
Anyway, the jerk-off post master tried to hee-haw around with me about the insurance claim, but I gave him a ultimatum, "I have $500 insurance on that package, so rest assured that I will have this fiasco resolved to my satisfaction, one f*cking way or another".
So now the repair shop has put my repairs on hold till I can grab the claims guy & find out what they intend to do. The shop tells me they can still repair it, and to replace the outer shell will cost me another $75, but I'm wondering if that will change my serial number on the PS3, & I don't want that cause I wanted all my paperwork & insurance papers to stay the same.
I'll post more on my saga once I see this claims guy.
GRRRRRRRRRR
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Lawless SXE
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 4:24:34 AM
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RadioHeader
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 4:48:59 AM
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kraygen
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:26:06 PM
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___________
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 3:26:42 AM
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looking at RAGE and BF3 im starting to believe we have hit the peak of the mountain.
so where suppose to sit there and wait for 3 years for another mountain to climb?
then theres the whole project cafe debacle.
if its true, and does release this year, both sony and M$ would be INSANE to wait till 2014!
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The X Factor 9
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 3:42:13 AM
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Blu-Ray is just now getting a foothold in the market. Consumers are now conscious of Blu-Ray as the next generation medium for physical data, andPS3 is the top selling Blu-Ray player in the world. Just think about that...if Sony could drop another $50-100 off the price of a PS3 by the end of the year, they could REALLY take off.
PlayStation Network continues to grow. The concept of Digital Distribution is beginning to grow, but hasn't made physical media obsolete. Sony would be smart to wait to examine the growth and development of DD with respect to consumer spending habits, before taking the next step in gaming consoles.
Sony makes more money off of games and accessories sold, than hardware sold. Only now is Sony firing on all cylinders when it comes to delivering exclusive content.
The development of new consoles will be limited to the state of display technologies. Technically speaking, TV's max out at 1080p 1920 X 1280. Refresh rates may vary, but that's as high as it goes. And let's face it, 3D is not a long term reasonable marketing course. In terms of visual fidelity, it only feels like half a generation improvement if we have all games running at 1080p/60 FPS.
If PS3 started at $600, then PS4 should be expected to cost AT LEAST that much. I've spent a LOT of money on games this generation. I will continue to game for the rest of my life, but I'm going to game on a much stricter budget now.
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Lawless SXE
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 4:35:30 AM
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Project Cafe is rumoured to be releasing at the end of next year. That's a pretty big timeframe, and certainly gives M$ enough time to hammer out a new console, as they did with the 360 after the announcement of the Wii. I believe that it would feature little more than Wii2-matching specs, with Kinect integration. Of course, that would mean that the Kinect would be built directly into the processor, which would allow for a lot more grunt, but it still requires that creativity from the developers to make it work for anything but gimmicky things. Or, they could shock us all by using cutting edge PC architecture in the PhoenX. Of course, that would be expensive for the consumers, and odds are another catastrophic failure rate if it's released early. They managed to gain the upper hand (however temporarily) by releasing before Sony this generation, and their foray into motion gaming solidified that position for a while, so it makes sense that they'll use that tactic again. Whether they manage to beat Ninty is a different matter entirely.
I think Sony is definitely best waiting like a spider in it's web. Waiting until 2014 means that the competition will have a two year jump on them, but it also means that they can create a much more capable piece of hardware. Multiplatform games may be held back on it, but perhaps it could persuade more ambitious developers togo exclusive. Of course, that would only happen if they could get the consumers on board, but i believe that Sony is fully capable of that, if they can release with a strong line-up and a reasonable price point.
Damnit, I'm sick of this constant speculation... Where'd I park my DeLorean?
Peace.
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Highlander
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:23:00 PM
I do subscribe to the idea that eventually everything will go online with downloads, but current infrastructure isn't sufficient to do away with the comforting presence of an optical disc.
If you start form the basic assumptions that HDTV will be here at the same resolution (1080p) for a minimum of a decade (which is a fairly conservative estimate), and the 3D at 1080p will be the limit for 3D content, then the current enhanced BluRay format will be perfectly adequate (more than adequate actually). The assumptions about screen technology also put in place the basic parameters for the resolution needs for the next generation of console hardware, 1080p60 and 3D1080p. I guess you could argue that you might see a move to an even higher framerate, but the visual difference between 60fps and 120fps is more difficult to perceive than going from 30fps to 60fps.
Network technology will accelerate speeds gradually, but an order of magnitude improvement in access speeds is not going to happen overnight, so the next console generation has to start with a baseline assumption that service will be at least as good as decent DSL is now.
I'm deliberately not mentioning CPU/GPU or memory hardware because I believe that they will simply be sized to meet the needs of the other parameters of the system.
At the end of the day, the next console generation will be about maturing the current platforms and extending online services, but I doubt that cloud based games will be common on the new hardware because network latency is something that console makers cannot overcome. It's inherent in public networks and will always provide controller latency in games that will be intolerable in fast based games of any kind.
So I see both Microsoft and Sony consolidating with the next generation rather than doing more heavy innovation. The PS3 was a huge technological leap from the PS2 in so many ways, and the evolution of the PSEye and sixaxis into a full blown motion capture and control system represents a large jump from the PS2 also. The next generation will solidify and enhance all of that for Sony - and MS will be in a similar boat.
The remor that Nintendo intends to ship controllers for this new WiiHD with HD screens on the controller suggests a very expensive controller. However, if you pause for a moment and consider that the NGP wil be a full control system with an HD screen and cameras, and tat the dev environent for the NGP is more of an indication of the future direction for Sony's dev environments tan anything else, you might conclude that the remote play facility already integrated into the PS3/PSP pairing will be extended and enhanced with the NGP/PS4 in the future. So in essence, what is it that Nintendo is doing (assuming they produce this controller with a display) that Sony has noer already done?
As always, there's nothing new in gaming....
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RadioHeader
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 5:01:11 AM
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No problem with Nintendo but Sony devs seem to come up with the franchises that suit my taste, and I'm a one-console-at-a-time person.
My next console will be a PS4 and I don't really care when that is. PS3 continues to impress me.
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Wissam
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 5:16:37 AM
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I can clearly see what type of games this console will have. which has been the same since
the gamecube.
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StangMan80
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 6:49:07 PM
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Highlander
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 12:07:33 PM
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Highlander
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 11:13:28 AM
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Platform security
Network security
Both are related, if the platform is compromised, hen the network can be as well. I anticipate that both MS and Sony will do everything they can to enclose the gaming/commerce/authentication aspects of their networks to protect against external interference. I also anticipate that both will spend considerable time securing the platform since it represents the major threat to their network.
Don't be surprised if the network traffic to and from future consoles is completely encrypted.
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AcHiLLiA
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 11:30:04 AM
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Minishmaru
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 5:11:10 PM
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StangMan80
Thursday, April 21, 2011 @ 7:00:37 PM
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The Wii 2 will be out before holidays 2012. It won't be anything special.
The PS3 has been improving a lot, and to this day the people like NaughtyDog are improving a perfect game with this years Uncharted 3. I don't even think we will see 85% of the PS3 power even this year. Sony's machine will last through 2014 and 5 years after that. With the PS4 hitting store shelves late 2014.
Nintendo is way over due for the next gen.
Microsoft's console's life span is running real short and won't last half way through 2012.
Sony's beast of a home entertainment console isn't half way through it's life cycle. Sony could wait three(3) years before they release the PS4.
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tlpn99
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 6:27:59 AM
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VampDeLeon
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:25:20 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
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Wednesday, April 20, 2011 @ 10:04:58 PM
It's kind of a shame that games will be held back for the next two years by 360, but thankfully Sony doesn't skimp on the phenomenal exclusives so there's no need for us to worry. MS will add their 1 gig to DVDs and pretend it's a huge deal while they scratch their heads trying to figure out what to do with Kinect, should be funny.
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