Sony Reports "External Intrusion" Of PlayStation Network

JMO_INDY
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 10:58:23 PM
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Yes... what could one do with one minute... and a hammer? Oh how I wonder. >:]

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Bugzbunny109
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:12:13 PM

Lol one minute is too much for me. Give me 30 seconds, and I will make their ancestors feel the pain.

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AcHiLLiA
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:59:55 PM

Lol 1 minute or 30 seconds, for one person all it takes is at least 15 seconds if u know where to start by just using ur body.

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 4/23/2011 1:02:13 PM

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Gone
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:51:10 PM

If I had my way with the hackers I would take Kratos' Blades of Chaos and jammit up their toilet paper slot. A free year of PlayStation®Plus for everyone if I had my way, but I am just a spokesmon (Jamaica).

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:44:52 PM

Kevin Butler is the man!!

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sirbob6
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:12:30 PM

VP of Sharpening Things

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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 10:58:54 PM
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If it was up to me, I'd give you the entire day if you want!!

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TheIllusiveMan
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:51:52 AM

I'd say proper compensation for the whole time PSN has been/will be down. For everyone affected.

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Zemus101
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 10:59:28 PM
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I'm just as frustrated as anyone with what's been going on for well ...months now. Kid's with such talented skills wasting it on video game platforms? Really?

I've always tried to look at the positive and, well ...in the long run this'll help Sony keep a secure network. Learn from your past mistakes and make sure it never happens again.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 11:00:36 AM

I've often thought the same thing. If i were talented enough to take down a massive operation like PSN i'd be marketing my skills to security firms so i could get paid for finding exploits. People like this could be rich but just waste their time on stupid things.

The hacker(s) inconvenienced some people for a few days and might be arrested if they are found. Doesnt sound like the payoff is worth it.

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gunblademaster
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:00:14 PM
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LOL, you forgot the soundproof walls

:D

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:12:31 PM

Nah. I'd rather the world hear them scream.

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gunblademaster
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:35:42 PM

good point

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:28:40 AM

WOW dark stuff man haha.. LOVE IT!!!

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Jawknee
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:00:14 PM
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These people need to be arrested. They are compromising our personal information. Don't care what Anonymous claims they did or didn't do. They are either directly or indirectly responsible for this. They let the dog off the leash.

Is homebrew really worth all this? I'm not blaming the homebrew people per-say but those who want it this bad are ruining to for everyone else who just want to play games and use a secure network. This is a travesty. I don't even care that I can't play games online. That's the VERY least of the issues. It's the fact they we now have to worry about our personal information being compromised all because a few narcissist, entitlement freaks who want to tinker with their console.

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JMO_INDY
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:05:45 PM

Agreed, if anything, take a cue from the PSP Homebrew community and do it with good intentions. Make it run your whole house or something. Don't compromise personal info just because you get all pissy with a company for net letting you save $60. They were supposed to be helping us, not cutting us off from our favorite hobby.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:11:16 PM

Homebrew is just a front now. It may have been a reason to stand up at one point but the situation has snowballed and now bordering on avalanche.

There is no justification for all this!

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Roach721
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:15:54 AM

Give em DEATH...

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Highlander
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:20:13 AM

I really hate to say this, but this is one of the main reasons I have been so strongly against the hackers. This has always been one of my fears for the PlayStation Network. I've said it so many times in the past, and been downvoted for it, but it's happened now.

Someone used the whole hacked PS3/custom firmware thing as a springboard to attack PSN and Qriocity. This is precisely why the PS3 needs to remain completely locked up. This is the kind of service convergence that makes people's notion that once they own the console they can do whatever they like with it such nonsense. This whole things needs to stop now, and the PS3 platform, and network along with it needs to be re-secured, and any/all of these nasty little craps that do this stuff need to be arrested, and charged under the various computer misuse laws - and then hopefully jailed for a long time.

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RadioHeader
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:11:44 AM

...and then flogged with diarrhoea-filled socks!

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:55:02 PM

I've been in the Anon IRC, i've talked to many Anon users, and all they keep saying is that They don't know who gone done it, but they wish they were there helping... I don't think they're responsible in any way, but I do think they know something that we don't..

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frylock25
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:00:41 PM
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wow this is lame to find out but at least they are telling us what happened. i hope they are working with fbi or something to do something about this. well hope its back up soon.

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:32:01 PM

Since Sony's being affected everywhere on Earth, they need to bring Interpol into their investigations.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:38:57 PM

@Biker, My sentiments exactly! Geo-NOT wiggled away but now they should just go full fledge and terminate this threat.

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Gregory Freeman
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:57:29 PM

Interpol, FBI, MI6, Scotland Yard, CIA, KGB, round up de' boys!

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:03:30 PM
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They better fix this quickly and find a solution for future attacks and send those losers to court making them pay for what they did.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:08:53 PM
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This is a game of technological WHACK-A-MOLE!

Sony needs to fight Fire with Fire.

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Snorge
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:19:28 PM

Hack the hackers' computer? Threat their family???

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:27:17 PM

@ Snorge, NO. What your describing is A Eye For An Eye.

I am stating to have a hacker or group of hackers get in there and find the source. Then take them down with every possible law that exists for this type of crime. I am sure this is going on to some extent in the background.

Last edited by FatherSun on 4/22/2011 11:32:20 PM

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:37:44 PM

I wouldn't mind a game made around Anonymous make it a whack-a-mole style game and have the picture they use for the videos and i would gladly play the game to just smash their heads in.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:45:46 PM

@Clamedeus, HACK-A-MOLE!

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:47:18 PM

xD

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:54:25 PM

Sony should hire it's own dedicated hacker black-ops team to go in & wipe out out the very existence of every Sony site-hacker they detect.

And I mean f*cking wipe out everything, all their tech, all their on-line accounts for anywhere & anything, all their monetary info & funds, their drivers licenses, school records, etc, etc, etc.

Plus, any & all records that they're even alive & that includes all birth history and documents.

F*ck em'....If they can't prove that they even exist, they're toast!

Keep all those scum-bags in perpetual purgatory.

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:56:38 PM

@BikerSaint

That's deep. :P

Last edited by Clamedeus on 4/22/2011 11:58:03 PM

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:02:16 AM

"Whack-A-Hack"

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Highlander
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:45:15 AM

Sadly Biker, two wrongs don't make a right, and if Sony hired a team to do as you suggest, they'd actually end up in court for their actions, unlike the little sh**s that hack the PS3 and PSN.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:27:51 AM

Biker Saint, you can't control the internet really... and if you tried, a retaliation for greater than what is capable by Anonymous would occur... People here must understand that there are greater forces at work, real mafia activity where cyber criminals will go to great lengths to hire in or pay for the best brains to hack systems.

Similar to the drug trade. You get us in, share the spoils, and the spoils can be huge. Far bigger than what Sony or any other company would pay these people to help them protect their systems. We are talking covert ops people who are the equivalent of the Seals, but exist in cyberspace. They don't just do it for the money, they do it for the challenge... there is no challenge being on the other side.

Jawk; is right to some extent, that whether Anon were part of it or not, the door has been opened. The system and who PSN ecosystem has been compromised. The developer network has been compromised as well... this intrusion is deep and it ain't going to go away quickly...

I will be happy to get myself a PC at the end of the year and pimp it out... this will make me less reliable on the PS3 for games completely; in-fact I can simply enjoy the best of both worlds... it will be PC and PS3 all the way... PS3/PS4 will be for exclusives only, not multi-plats anymore... With PC I would have already joined the new generation two years ahead of schedule too :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/23/2011 2:28:38 AM

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:38:32 AM

Some appalling grammar needs to be corrected in the above post...

"...for greater...", should have read; "...far greater..."

and;

"The system and who PSN...", should have read; "The system and whole PSN..."

Sometimes when one types too fast mistakes happen...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/23/2011 7:40:45 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:09:48 PM
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A presence eh? Eyes on the skies people, the truth is out there.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:31:37 AM

Evidently they live among us.

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:34:51 AM

I feel a presence... One I have not felt since....

*walks away*

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SvenMD
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:58:31 AM

Underdog - HA!!! +50DKP man! That was awesome.

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:10:12 PM
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SOCOM is dead , now SONY is dead?

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:38:56 PM

SOCOM isn't dead, it's just different. Sony isn't dead either.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:43:46 PM

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons even death may die.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:35:32 AM

Look at World waxing philosophical.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:38:57 AM

H.P. Lovecraft's short story "The Call of Cthulhu". Good man World... good man.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:39:22 AM

^ Dedicated Lovecraft aficionado

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Alienange
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:10:10 AM

You guys and your books

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:10:42 PM
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Completely agreeing with Jawknee up there. If these guys love to hack, they're going to have a hard time of doing it behind bars. It's ridiculous that these clowns are defeating the purpose of what their intentions are. It makes no sense to me.

I'm glad that Sony made a quick, smart move on this. Anonymous is only making things worse for themselves. Sony knows what they're doing and the hackers' attempts only make them much more prepared and stronger. They'll find the low lives and give these guys a run for their money.

Keep it up, Sony. We all believe in ya!

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leatherface
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:27:26 AM

someone can hack their buttcheeks in jail

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Snorge
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:18:15 PM
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Terrible....sad time for gaming...

Cant we all just shoot eat other in the face!!!?

I will unleash the fury of KRATOS himself if I ever see anyone responsible for this.

Not a good thing to take a man's gaming experience away (Many wifes have died stepping in front of the TV right in the middle of an intense battle.)

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frylock25
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:20:26 AM

the world would be a better place with more headshots

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Lawless SXE
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:19:36 PM
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This is serious. A sustained attack that forced the shutdown of worldwide servers is madness. Maybe this is the Anonymous splinter group that said they were going to try to get the personal info of key members of Sony, and so it is protection of their employees (not suggesting that they wouldn't do the same if PSN was hacked and the customer data was at risk). I hope whoever is behind this gets nailed by the full force of the law. It's ridiculous that they think they can get away with it.

But I want more details. I want to know what the hack was looking for, I want to know the reasoning behind it.
Peace.

P.S. Imma need more than a minute. They would learn the meaning of torture at my hands.

Last edited by Lawless SXE on 4/22/2011 11:21:22 PM

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:24:25 PM
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What if Sony start charging us for play online in order to give us a better secure service ??? Would u guys piad for it?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:30:07 PM

nope

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gunblademaster
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:31:57 PM

no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no.

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Lenoxseer
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:35:09 PM

heck no!

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:36:12 AM

I already pay my cable provider for internet access. I'm not paying anyone else for double-dipping privileges.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:48:28 AM

in school they tell you there is no dumb questions. well they lie to you. that is a dumb question.

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:53:51 AM

to be honest,no but i heard that playstation plus gets you better internet since you are paying for it. i don't think it's true but one of my friends who has psplus said so?

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:35:46 PM

I have PS+ for all the extra games and whatnot.

And no, there's no difference to internet connectivity. That's solely dependant on your internet provider.

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:27:30 PM
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A open note to all Sony hackers....

I'd like to invite each individual to play a free game of "Fists Of Fury" with me.

No consoles needed, just bring your face!

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gunblademaster
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:35:05 PM

Remind them to bring their souls so we could crush those as well.

MUAHAHAH

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:05:44 AM

gunblademaster,

They have no souls!

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:29:16 PM
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GT5 is bored offline!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:30:01 PM
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They have awoken a sleeping giant.

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gunblademaster
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:32:44 PM

(*epic thunder strikes in background*)

Last edited by gunblademaster on 4/22/2011 11:33:34 PM

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:32:22 PM
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Go Lakers Go!!!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:46:14 PM

uh, no

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:40:28 AM

I can never root for a team who's team name could not conceivably have a mascot. The only exception would be Philly's fan... They're only my second favorite MLB team, but I would allow them due to the longevity of the mascot.

But Lakers? What kinda mascot is a laker?!?

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:40:07 PM
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out off topic , i did preorder SOCOM 4 but didn't pick it up and dont want to because i dont like the game what about my $5 i lost them or can i put it on my credit store or change the preorder for another game?

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gunblademaster
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:43:06 PM

You don't like the game, though you haven't played it......

what?

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:44:10 PM

Why would you even pre-order a game that you don't even like? That doesn't make any sense man.

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:46:24 PM

gunblademaster i played the beta and i didn't like it can you answer the question if u know the answer PLZ

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mid10smaradoarg
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:50:42 PM

my preorder was placed on 04/10/10 and this game came out 4 days ago by the time i did the preorder it wasn't any beta out to see what kind of crap i was preordering ANSWERS ANYONE??

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DazeOfWar
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:55:30 PM

Most places will either give you your money back. You can also put it towards another preorder or purchase.

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mid10smaradoarg
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:03:01 AM

THANK YOU DAZE

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FatherSun
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:42:02 PM
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70 million strong Class Action Lawsuit!

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MysteriousMagus
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:56:38 PM
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This guys are just going too far... :P It's crazy. Just because of OtherOS. I only used it once and it was laggy as hell, why in the world they want otheros when they basically have the PS3 wideopen, Linux is good but PS3 doesn't have the ram to run a full fledged system.

The only reason they were trying is to get the RSX working on Linux to run stuff properly. I don't see how that could have lead to piracy in any way. If Sony didn't remove otheros in the first place. This wouldn't even happen. Since the hackers won't have any excuses to hack the PS3.

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Highlander
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:28:13 AM

The thing is, Sony made OtherOS Optional based on firmware installation, and simply omitted it from the Slim model. It was never on the Slim at all.

The horrible irony is that the very person arguing that he is only hacking the PS3 to restore OtherOS is in actual fact the reason for it's 'removal' in the first place. Remember, OtherOS was costing Sony nothing on the Phat systems, yet they went to the trouble of writing a new firmware update to remove it if installed. What prompted that action? GeoHot's well publicized hacking of the PS3 hypervisor and 'patched' firmware. All of this predates the whole Jailbreak thing (not GeoHot as it happens) as well as the more recent encryption key hacks. So, perhaps if people were so keen on OtherOS, they should have words with Hots since he got it removed.

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DazeOfWar
Friday, April 22, 2011 @ 11:58:47 PM
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I love a lot of the comments on the Playstation bog. People are all pissed off at Sony. They want free stuff for this happening. I don't understand how people can get so mad over something that is free and not Sony's fault.

Back when I had me 360 Live when down for about a week and MS gave everybody a free game because you actually pay for the service.

I'll just go on enjoying my single player time.

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Fane1024
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:11:36 AM

I agree, except in the case of DC Universe. Lost time of this magnitude should be added to everyone's subscription.

PS Plus, on the other hand, doesn't need to be extended, so long as no one misses the opportunity to grab all the freebies.

p.s. I subscribe to PS Plus, but not DCUO, so I'm not arguing for my own selfish interests.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 4/23/2011 3:13:56 AM

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RadioHeader
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:23:37 AM

I want a PlayStation bog.

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DazeOfWar
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:46:45 AM

Haha. I just noticed that Radio. I read your comment thinking what the hell is he talking about until I reread my comment.

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JDC80
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:00:36 AM
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Friends if you must know what should happen to these hackers all I'm going to say is to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgXTNBLaVtQ&feature=related

But I do endorse the course of action.

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:03:39 AM
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1 minute????????????

I'll need more time about 1 hour.
I'd like to interview before finishing off.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:31:37 AM

Ewwwwww

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:21:59 AM

i didn't mean it in that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you have a sick mind.

oh well they deserve rubish in thier faces.

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Riku994
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:05:17 AM
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Ben's psychic. That's pretty much it.

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mid10smaradoarg
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:07:14 AM
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servers are back online!!!!!!

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shiroxkatsuya
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:33:48 AM

not funny!! T.T

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Killa Tequilla
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:37:42 AM

I fell for it FML :(

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CoolBLKguy
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:07:32 AM
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Hopefully they go die somewhere or get killed. I know you guys are thinking, "you want them to die over video games?" I don't care about the lives of any individual that goes out of their way to cause trouble in someone else's life just for the hell of it. I don't even have any online games I want to play at the moment, that still doesn't mean I'm cool with these hackers doing this. Getting drunk and having sex with an attractive woman is a lot more fun than hacking.

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Riku994
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:09:32 AM

They don't have the social skills to do that.

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LittleBigMidget
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:10:01 AM

WOW REALLY? I hate Anon too but wishing death upon them? seriously? This whole situation is NOT that serious.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:30:31 AM

Hey cool guy... cool down ;)

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:35:11 AM

What they've done is an inconvenience, but no inconvenience is powerful enough for someone to die over... no matter how serious it may seem. Chill, PSN will be back up sooner or later, and all those people decrying this will be wondering what they were so worked up over. Although I hope that Sony works it out so that this doesn't happen again.

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556pineapple
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:43:51 AM

yeah, death is a bit much. Instead they should be sent to the stockades with a list of all their personal information listed below them. First come, first serve.

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FxTales
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:13:00 AM
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I only just found out about this today from a friend, he informed of the whole thing. I was pretty peeved, I was trying to update but wondered why it wouldn't let me log on.

I've really had enough of these dicks.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:14:50 AM
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The weird thing is I'm pretty sure I could log in up until late Thursday night. It was slow, but I could get on.

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FxTales
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:16:27 AM

Wish it worked for me, all I wanted to do was redeem a dlc code.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:37:24 AM

Perhaps it was a slow shut down? Rather than all the servers being dropped at the same time, they were shut down as the attacks moved from one to the other, and as the servers dropped off, latency increased? I don't know how it all works, but that seems plausible to me.

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johnld
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:38:40 AM

yeah, i was able to sign in about a couple of days ago. auto sign in failed every chance but manual log in was fine. i cant even go on netflix at all.

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JDC80
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:52:38 AM

I didn't notice it when I try to log in Thursday because I have AT&T and anytime I get disconnected from PSN it was a result of AT&T getting jacked up. I found out via that PSN Facebook page after trying to connect to PSN like 3 times Thursday. But I can go on Netflix I was watching Shin Chan last night.

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Roach721
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:22:48 AM

Same thing with me Mell. I know how you feel,I had just gotten Dragon Age2...I also just feel out of touch without my PSN.

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shiroxkatsuya
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:32:01 AM
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HAXORSWTFBBQ!!!!! i really hope this is resolved soon. would go outside but there is rain all weekend, an my pos 360 rrod on me.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:36:00 AM

Find a book... or a PSP. Or there's always single player.

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shiroxkatsuya
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:39:15 AM

i dont play much online anyway, its just i finally decided to play dragon age 2 cause the patch came out, but i can't activate the dlc.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:38:31 AM
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Well, the good thing for all of you is that the servers will come back up & you will all be good to go.

As for me, at 10:58 this morning I got the dreaded call about a serious death in the family.

So now there will never be a Easter resurrection here, or at any other time...

Obituary

Ms. Playstation Three, 60

Born February 2007 - Passed April 2011

My beloved gaming partner over the last two glorious years, has died a extremely violent death after being taken hostage by package handling Chimpanzee terrorists of the US Postal Service.

She was senselessly murdered by the ISCPSB, "Irresponsibly Criminal Package Smashing Bunglers" section of the US Postal Service, and has been violently ripped away from this Earth due to massive injuries sustained to the right side of her skull being crushed in, causing a catastrophic melt-down bleed-out of her cranial A/V processor.

My beloved PS3 is already severely missed, as we had always enjoyed playing marathon gaming sessions together, listening to techno music, reminiscing over photo albums, sharing her B/C with me, not to mention her sexy memory...card readers.
Plus she was always quick to work her 4 USB port assets off, for her adoring partner and "Number One" fan.

My beloved was pregnant with our first breach disc, but by the grace of Kratos, the repair hospital was able to preform a emergency C-section & delivered our child. The doctor smacked our little disc on it's butt, & declared "Lil KZ3 is healthy & doing just fine".
He then wrapped her little casing in a brown Kraft blanket & sent her on her lonely solitary journey back home to me.

Originally residing overseas, my Phat Princess had lived elsewhere in the USA for two years before finally moving to here to New Jersey to finally settle down in 2009.

She was a graduate of Sony Research & Development, Class of 2003, and finished with top honors in Feb 2007, earning her the lone spot of the prestigious "AAA Games" Console Ratings Award.
She was daughter to Mr Ken Kutaragi & Mrs. Sony Corp, and is survived by her one and only true love, Saint.

My Phat Princess always had a great love of life & all things Playstation, and she had most graciously, signed a donor card stating that her 60GB & 640GB organs be harvested & transplanted into one of her many other PS Three siblings in the future, if needed.

My beloved is now on her way back home for a proper funeral.

Sorry, there will be no viewing due to a closed casket.
All wake & burial arrangements will remain a private affair and only attendees admitted besides her partner, will be her 35 closest consoles and hand-held friends.

"Playstation Three, R.I.P. my phat 60/640 GB Princess"!!!

"May you always have enjoy yourself playing in Helghast Heaven with all our dearly departed gamers".

In lieu of flowers & gifts, small monetary donations may be made out to Saint in order to help with the ever crucial healing process of finding another Playstation 3 soul-mate, and so that "Lil KZ3" can also have a brighter future & a safe haven to play in.

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gunblademaster
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:55:05 AM

Revive her quick! collect the green orbs, use a pheonix down, she will respawn right!!???

oh wait...

(*shouts towards sky in anger*)

CURSE YOU REALITY!!!!!!!

May she rest in peace sir...Amen.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:00:35 AM

That was beautiful, Saint. I'm sorry to hear that nothing could be done for your darling.

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Roach721
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:20:51 AM

Sorry for your loss, R.i.p You will be missed...
I have fixed my 60 gig fatty now 5 times from ylod by reheating mother board I'm dreading the day it actually dies on me,especially cause I'm broke.

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Highlander
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:23:48 AM

Did the irresponsible bunglers at the postal service pay up for the value of the destroyed gaming goddess? Seems like they own you a brand new (well, refurb at least) PS3 60Gig system.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:30:06 AM

Biker
im sorry about your ps3 that really sucks. reading your post has me filled with such mixed emotions and now confused. on one hand i feel bad at the loss of your ps3 in such a horrible way. on the other your post has me laughing so hard because it is just so damn funny.

seriously some of your posts are like out of nowhere with such imagination its great. not to sound like an ass cuz im not laughing at you, more hoping to be laughing with you as i hope you wrote that to be funny and vent. hopefully you will be rejoining the rest of us soon when the network comes back to us. best of luck.

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FullmetalX10
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:40:53 AM

R.I.P BikerSaint's 60 gig.
Even though this loss is great, she would want you to move on and we all hope to see you back on the saddle soon.

My condolances

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RadioHeader
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:40:55 AM

LOL Pure quality, Biker!

I never felt the need to write something so beautiful in honour of my dead 3suxties, but all four of them died of natural causes so I guess it was easier for me. Plus they were sh*t anyway...

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:45:48 AM

you wanna full us in what really happned? liek i like the dramatic story but i still want to hear a real report on whta happned. damn usps, go with fedex next time!

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:07:46 PM

gunblademaster, Lawless, Roach721, TheHighlander, frylock25, FullmetalX10, RadioHeader , sha4dowknight05

Rather than take up multiple posts, I'll just make this post as an "all-in-one" reply to everyone.....

Thank you all for all your condolences, well wishes, and for being there for me in my hour...er....I mean, month of need.
I'm sure my baby's looking down on all of you with that same "play"ful smile that she had across her highly polished chrome strip.

As some of you may have noticed in my posts about the demise of my PS3, I have mainly ranted, but also included some of my self-patented twisted sense of humor.
There's a very good reason for that.....
My whole R/L has been like a never-ending video game, nothing's ever been easy, I'm always in battle with something or some one, and just like,Kratos, we both pissed off all the Gods. Only I'll never get a trophy for playing me.

I'm a Jekyll & Hyde personality, so although I'm highly enraged at the boondoggle fiasco the USPS that made this into, I need to find, or at least make, humor out of the situation, or else I'll wind up outside each & every one of their cages, taunting them with a nice vintage year of Banana souffles shoved in each their faces(or worse).
So whenever I feel I'm getting too hyped, or about to go off on somebody or something, I try to chill myself down a bit by trying to inflict a little humor into my thoughts about it. Otherwise, and especially in my PS3 vs USPS situation, it would have been quite Ironic if I already went "postal" on their agency.
And besides, since I still have a full head of hair at 58 & 1/2, I'm trying most desperately not to pull it all out over this.

Anyway here's all my replies, and updates so far.

Originally, my baby wasn't completely as dead as I had feared.
I was told by the shop that my baby only needed to be resuscitated, by doing a easy thermal paste & re-flow job, so that's why I had shipped her off to Michigan to the repair shop.

But my Gianormious(gigantic & enormous) mistake was in letting those non-homosapians at USPS get one of their banana-breathed, knuckle-dragging flea-infested Howler Monkey's effing paws on it, and one of those big red-butted a$$-scratching Mandrill's totally annihilated...and I mean "MURDERED" my PS3 before she even got to the repair shop.
I'll bet it probably that same f*cking Ape-Sh*t who used to do those old TV commercials, the ones where he keeps throwing Samsonite's luggage against his cage's wall & bars, ........just because he finally ran out of feces he was face-painting with.

As soon as the repair shop had received my package & stared unwrapped my box, they sent me an email describing the damage to the box & my PS3, along with pictures they took of it. FYI, the box said PS3 all over it, so I had covered it all up in brown Kraft paper as an extra security measure, but that back-fired on me just because it actually wound up hiding the fact that the box had been accordion-ed in on the right side.
The damages were to the whole right side of my ps3, it was crushed in, plus it looked like someone had either taken the end of a metal pipe, or a ball pean side of a hammer & punched a big hole in it.

Now, in talking with the repair shop, they had intentionally thought they could still do the original repairs, plus also correct the damage to my PS3's outer casing too, by replacing the whole outer black plastic shell for another $75.

So yesterday I called them to go ahead & replace the shell too, and that's when they informed me that they had already gone ahead & did all the repairs I original wanted, and had been awaiting my call about doing the outer shell work or not.
But then they told me that when they went to test my repaired PS3 & hooked it up to the TV, it turned on OK, the green & blue lights came on just fine, but the A/V (no picture and no audio) was completely gone & that my PS3 was now totally dead & unrepairable.
They also stated that the A/V had to have been ruined while in possession of the USPS's hairy knuckles, since it was delivered highly damaged to them to begin with.
I quizzed them further about A/V failures, and if the A/V going out is one of the normal failure repairs that they would see & they told me no, that it always happens only whenever somebody's either juggling the console & drops it, or while it's being shipped in transit, such as in my case. They also told me that every machine that came to them with the A/V gone, was due to "package damage" while in transit to them.

I want to mention that even though I didn't wind up with my PS3 working so I can't vouch for Gophermod's actual work, but I DO feel that the repair shop was great, they emailed me as soon as they received my damaged PS3, took & included multiple pictures of both the damaged box & my console. There was also good communications between us, PLUS they "DID NOT" charge me one single penny for the original $70 repair job that they already did, & they only charged me a nominal $12 to ship my PS3 back to me(1/2 of what the USPS Zoological Society charged me), just so I can use it as evidence against the USPS's primate division.

Anyway, my beloved is slated to arrive back in my arms next Weds so I will be draping my doorway & windows in a lovely sullen dark shade of black. And it's only fitting that I round up all my buds & we do a 21 gun salute right outside my apartment when she arrives back here via a FedEx hearse. I
Besides, I'm sure my neighbors won't mind......I mean, come on now,.....it's not like they haven't already gotten used to seeing hundreds of Harley's here, all loaded up with extra ammo boxes, & bikers wearing their normal every-day cross-shoulder gun belts & shotgun holsters, long , long, long, before this.

Oh, did I mention the little old granny that came out with homemade white chocolate chip macadamia nut oatmeal raisin cookies just so she could ogle my bud's fancy guitar strap on his rocket launcher?
(No, just kidding about granny)
Now, as for those at the USPS Primate Division, I'm waiting till my baby arrives to file out all the insurance claim forms on-line. But if their Squirrel Monkeys over there are anything like the lobotomized Baboons at my local Postal Zoo Exhibit here, then I expect a whole lot of monkey-business from them too. But mark my words, if the USPS Ape-sh*tters want to monkey around instead on quickly resolving it, then then will get their feces thrown right back into their faces 10-fold when all is finally said & done.

Oh, and I just want to thank everyone for all the massive donation's to "Lets get Saint a refurbished 60 Gigger" fund.
We have amassed an astonishing 6 cents in less than 18 hours so far. So thank you, thank you, and thank you too.

Just make sure to keep the funds rolling folks, or else I'll be forced to play "The Outfit" again on my Bot-Box360 again & again & & again, till well after the PS9 comes out.
And no real self-respecting Playstation gamer would ever want to see another Playstation gamers brain become Xboxoxified & have their brains turn to mush, now would we???? No, I thought not.

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:27:48 PM

Oh sorry about that man, I can't fell the slightest degree of sorrow you are expereiencing. However I was LMAOING ROLFING WHEN READING YOUR USPS ZOOLOILGY STORY. LMAO YOU TOTALLY DESTROYED THEM. I liek how you kept you calm and made a funny story out of it. Next time go with fedex, i've had great expereince with fedex 3 days right from the minute i placed my order all the way form JAPAN!!! That's fast as hell!!! Great tracking kept me constantly updated.

Also don't send it to a company to do a reflow unless you don't have time. Do it yourself save money. The only time I would send something would be to get reballed since that lasts longer and may be around 6 month-2 years. However, depends on how you treat it after.

File that insuracne claim and sue the living crap outta their primate divisions and then write a letter to king kong telling him to shove a big banana up his arse!!!!! And to replace you with a bradn new 60gb from ebay no and that he pays full price!!!!

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 11:17:11 PM

sha4dowknight05,

Thanks,
Oh, believe me when I say I wasn't calm while confronting my local Silverback gorilla who likes to parade around his 15'x20' like he's some actual postmaster.

He initially thought he could give me the run-around but I kept on blasted him unmercifully calling his agency & their package handling employee every primate name I could think of, and loudly too just so everybody else waiting in line(20+) could catch the whole conversation about how they smashed up a finely tuned delicate $700 dollar instrument.

BTW, the PM still don't know it was a PS3 cause I'm not telling him what it is until I bring it in so every customer there(it's always crowded)can also see the results.

And I also intend on bringing a big f*cking bunch of ripe banana's with me so I can wave them at him while asking "Is this what you need to keep control over your package handling baboons?

I just wish I could have someone tape it when I do, just so I can also blast their monkey a$$es on YouTube.

And this isn't the first time I've had words with my post office, as they've already lost 8 packages from eBay in the last two years, And 2 months ago another one that I was tracking on-site, was misdirected 7 towns away & went out for delivery there 3 times before anyone finally caught the screw-up, even though the two towns aren't remotely close in name or zip code.

Plus it's happening all over again right now too, with another package addressed to me. It's been riding around in complete circles in somebody's mail truck & sorting station in another town 60 miles from me for 3 days now. And I use the 5 number zip code, plus the extra 4 digits that most business use in pinpointing address to the exact dot.

So believe me, after this PS3 fiasco is all said & done & I already have their insurance money in my hand, I will continue to keep on hounding them in print everywhere & anytime I can.

(I figure that my restraining order will only last for 12 months, so I'm good to go)

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 1:10:04 AM

HAHHAAH primates!!!!!!!! Never ever trust any package to USPS. Go with fedex, or ups either way both are good just ups is dumb sometimes. So, fedex would be my best bet. hopefully king kong will replace you with a brand spanking new 60gb from ebay. thoese cost 1000 dollers!!!!!!

best of luck and do a video on youtube of you screaming at them.

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johnld
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:44:28 AM
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i say the best course of action sony needs to take is put in resources to find these bastards and make the information open to the public. This way, they can leave payback in our hands. best case scenario, if an attack like this happens again we know who to take down. if they're not responsible for it, they'll sure as hell would try to do something to clear themselves of blame, even help track down perpetrators, in order to save themselves from getting messed up.

also i better get free psn avatars of these hackers in handcuffs when all these are done.

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matt99
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:47:01 AM
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So (according to one theory) basically what happened was that Geohot dude hacked the ps3, Sony sued the crap out of him, he gave up and then the rest of the hacking community, because they respected him, decided to shut down the network to prove an extremely stupid and moronic point...harming the rest of us who just want to play the games we paid for. Again that's based on one theory I heard.

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Bloodysilence19
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:06:12 AM
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hackers really need to experience the real world for a change. seriously who sits there all day in front a comp just to go what should i hack next. they need to wake up from fantasy land and experience the real world, feel what wind actually feels like, talk to a girl, be actually productive in life. if sony ever does get hold of these guys, even just a few sue them hard put them in prison heck put them in a mob of us angry gamers and let them feel our wrath, i call gehotz though his face just makes me want to give him 5 knuckles to the face lol.

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:26:19 AM
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Annoymous acts like they are actually making a change in the world. Honestly, thier site makes me laugh, since they don't do crap to help out. The world problems such as war and stuff won't be solved by hacking and shutting down servers, all it causes is a big headache. Really? Over homebrew??? I know they might have wanted geohot's case to be taken into court that way the results would od ended as in the iphone case where apple lost. So sony looked at that and said, no we don't want to lose. However thier other standpoint, of hacking is to get peoplo to stop playing games and doing other productive things??? Maybe sounds legitable, but still is stupid thing to do. I hope these guys go behind bars, they aren't making a diffrence just annoying all of use.

SO TO ANNOYMOUS, F-OFF and go finish your math homework!

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kraygen
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:33:52 AM
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I'd prefer several hours alone with them in my workshop. A video camera and a youtube video later and we might be hacker free.

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Highlander
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:43:01 AM
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Alright, this latest episode simply proves everything that some people have been saying for a long time now. The digital economy will not work until the law catches up and protects the digital market place to the same degree as the physical one.

The PS3 is an integral part of the PSN and PSN security. A compromised PS3 represents a beach-head inside PSN. Too many people think that custom firmware (otherwise known as altered firmware) is a harmless thing, and like the hacked console is only a bit of fun. Perhaps it was when the consoles were not integral parts of a global network with millions of financial transactions a day flowing over it. However, not any more. The firmware in these systems it not the property of the person buying the console. Sure, the hardware is theirs, but the firmware is not, you aren't buying the firmware, you're buying a license to use it. The license has comprehensive terms and conditions about what you can and cannot do. but the fundamental truth is that the firmware is not owned by the console buyer - ever.

But we hear arguments about Home brew software, and additional functionality, yet the only additional functionality I've yet seen is a game 'backup' manager that allows users to play games without the disks being present - sure sounds like a perfect set up for game piracy.

And hey, let's just be honest for a moment. When the PS3 security was totally bypassed, and GeoHot obtained and then published the one remaining key that gave game pirates and other nefarious individuals exactly what they wanted a route to allowing PS3s to play pirated games with no copy protection or security. Was anyone actually surprised that Sony decided to take action against the little egomaniac? I wasn't.

But really and truly, this turn of events is far more important than people will give it credit for. Network security is of paramount concern in a future that relies on digital delivery and electronic transactions for payment. Without a truly secure network, that business model cannot work.

So, rather than patting the black (or even off-white) hat hackers on the back for being so smart, perhaps we ought to be throwing heavy objects at them? The same people who are behind all of this supposed freedom fighting are the same ones that have enabled the attack on PSN. Whether this was Anonymous, or a splinter group or another group is of no consequence, all of them involved bear part of the responsibility for this because of the continual escalation against Sony, despite Sony doing little more than trying to protect their network, their customers and their property.

I'm serious, Online gaming and networks such as PSN can only work if they remain secure, and the consoles attacking to the network *must* remain secure for that to happen. It's time that business and government figured out this stuff and time for the law to catch up to the technology - and the folks behind this...

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:00:13 AM

Well said Highlander.

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Highlander
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:23:00 AM

Darned spell checker and typing too fast created havoc again...

"I'm serious, Online gaming and networks such as PSN can only work if they remain secure, and the consoles attacking to the network *must* remain secure for that to happen."

Should of course read;

"I'm serious, Online gaming and networks such as PSN can only work if they remain secure, and the consoles attaching to the network *must* remain secure for that to happen."

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frylock25
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:37:42 AM

with the integrity of the network being comprised and them having to shut the network down, if they were to find someone responsible for this. cant they hold them for lost revenue due to having to "close the doors" based on average daily income multiplied by days?

thats customers they are losing, sales missed. plus accounts not bought. you know IF they find WHO did it.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:44:27 AM

Highlander... nothing has changed though... ever since the internet was created and software went mass market it has been susceptible to hacking attacks, viruses and other types of intrusion.

Briefly, if you look at all previous systems, especially the consoles, every single one has been compromised... there has been no system spared... and there will be no system spared, because all you need is a disgruntled employee to released something from within the organisation, and you are screwed.

And I tell you what, cyber criminals will try to make contact with people and coheres them with payouts and the like... its obvious... its like a would be drug runner... in the end money talks, and if one is of weak character... bang there goes your security until an internal investigation is had and you are caught. Sometimes the perpetrator/s are is/never caught; you may even leave before an investigation begins.

The digital economy has always been at risk. The analogue economy also had its issues with false money/printing. Here in Singapore Standard Chartered Bank will not permit me to exchange 500 euro notes. They will go up to 100 euro. Reason; they have had to deal with fraud in the past as fraudulence EURO notes from China and greater Asia have flown.

Come on guys, we live in a world where 99% of system are open to compromise, it doesn't matter what system it is... Wiki-leaks saga is a perfect example of an internal member of the US military compromising private information... and that is only one person... think of how many people could affect systems from within... lets be realistic in this economy!!!

Now that everything is online, we are all much more at risk. In fact I am going about now checking everything on my accounts online and actually removing as much of the sensitive data within I can. This is to try and mildly protect myself... but even then it is a chance you take.

I refuse to have a Facebook or Twitter account; and I live by cash. I have credit card for emergencies only, but never use it... If I could I wouldn't even have a mobile phone...

Have you seen how iOS on the iPhone tracks you everywhere you go, and the "secret" logs that are kept on the phones... absolutely frightening...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/23/2011 2:47:07 AM

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:58:11 AM

We had this discussion a while back too, then regarding exploits/virus for the ps3. But to continue where we left off that time:
In reality there is no such thing as a 100% secure system. In order to create a system that is so secure the system would have to be so user UNfriendly that no consumer would want to, or even be able to, use it.
One could compare it with creating a house that is impossible to break into. It's doable, but few would want to live there.

But do we know that this attack is related to the cracking of the ps3 system security a while back? I noticed in another comment you drew a line between these two events. But theoretically they do not *have* to be related. One could have happened without the other (although I do of course not know any details as to how they did this, or even what is done).
I am entering the realm of pure speculation here of course, but if this attack more or less were dependent on several machines to work then I'd say it's almost certain that they used regular PCs to do the work.

Last edited by Beamboom on 4/23/2011 4:08:20 AM

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:04:58 AM

@Qubex

WHAT YOUR IPHONE CAN TRACK YOU????????????

OH S*** no iphones for me!!!!
Xperia play!!!!!!

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 12:53:55 AM

Yes it can sha4dowknight05... that is the problem :)

Well, the logs of all your movements are recorded and stored on the phone. I don't know how they are retrieved, but if law enforcement need that information it is there and present on the phone...

...and thank you for your post :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/24/2011 12:55:03 AM

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Highlander
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 2:17:38 AM

Qubex, you and I have fundamentally different beliefs on this matter, so I suspect we will not agree on much here. I do not think that you can compare the global shutdown of an entire e-commerce system due to a security compromise to a simple theft from shop, or any of the other troubles that physical stores have. Nor do I think that it's impossible to build a system that is sufficiently resilient to intrusion that is effectively hack proof. Had the PS3's encryption/authentication code been properly QA'd the original flaw would not have existed and people would have been limited to the jailbreaking through USB devices because cracking the codes used on the PS3 would have taken the available computing resources of the world a significant amount of time to crack.

I find your point of view quite negative from the perspective of a future of digital transactions because you seem to be saying, "You can't ever stop them, it will never be secure, so don't even bother.". I totally disagree with that point of view.

If you accept that point of view, we might as well turn off the root DNS routers now because there will be no digital future.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 3:58:34 AM

Highlander, it doesn't bother me how our beliefs differ fundamentally... I was merely discussing a point that is all. I believe nothing is ever 100% secure, whether it is the digital economy or the analogue economy....

Simply put, when there are humans involved who are potentially corruptible, at any level, high or low, your "secure" system is can be compromised under the "right" circumstances. At the very least the someone out there has the "key" to what ever system is secured; or at least knows the knowledge of how to go about unlocking it... even it it takes a would be super computer multiple decades to work out the solutions... If Sony have idiots in Q/A and/or disgruntled employees who release USB jig dongles (and the like); it's a big problem for them - and as you have seen, reversed engineered too.

In the end someone knows something that is needed to open the door, even partially. Honestly, if system's were so secure, we wouldn't have had the string of security breaches we have seen over the past two decades - it comes as part of the territory.

Personally, I would like to think systems can be secured 100% of the time; if you believe that then you are deluding yourself.

Understanding the truth doesn't mean being negative, it just means being truthful about a fact that is evident all around you. Whether it is a PSN breach, Facebook breach, GSM decryption breach, every other console breach, Blu-Ray decryption breach, DVD decryption breach - and all manner of reverse engineering and deciphering that has ever gone on in history... shall I continue.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/24/2011 4:00:57 AM

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arcanoid
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:52:48 AM
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Sony's gonna get them sooner or later. these hackers should be put to jail..

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:35:11 AM

Again... I am trying to explain to people here; there are darker forces at work here... these people are undetectable... The whole of PSN could have been rooted; Sony may very well have a major issue on their hands...

Law enforcement struggles to keep up with what virus and root kit writers are doing, cyber intruders have got methodologies that law enforcement are trying to figure out... but no way are they winning...

It is not as simple as arresting someone... you can't even find them... they are anonymous, in a different sort of way...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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JonahFalcon
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:22:17 AM
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I think it was Sony who borked their own servers trying to update their security. Blaming hackers is a convenient out now.

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sonic1899
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:44:39 AM

Why? So they could literally throw away revenue? Any service that's offline for more than a day means losing money. I doubt Sony or any other company would do that just to prove a point

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inkme101
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:40:17 AM
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BILL GATES!!

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JonahFalcon
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:41:20 AM
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Ooh. Maybe Microsoft is behind it. Funny how this started late April 20, and Microsoft's free Xbox Live Weekend goes from April 21-25...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:46:02 AM

It's a Hitler birthday celebration I say.

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inkme101
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:44:26 AM
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exactly my point! little do they know ill bust out some coleco vision b4 i lay hands on their product! lol

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JonahFalcon
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:46:03 AM
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It wouldn't be the first time corporate sabotage ever happened. But I don't think MS is really behind it. I think Sony borked their servers trying to make them secure.

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___________
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:31:36 AM

to be honest that would not surprise me!
look at the security of the "unhackable" console!
hell, how many SDKs have they leaked?
not to mention all the new hardware leaks, we forgetting the quore episode SONY released a few days before E3 detailing the PSP GO?
sony have more leaks then the freaking titanic!

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 5:18:03 AM

Hehe no I don't think even Microsoft would be this blunt. :)

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inkme101
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:53:51 AM
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who knows? i just wanne get online with mortal kombat!

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:15:47 AM

You two know there's a reply button, yeah?

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TurbulentHumans
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:37:13 AM
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My fellow gamers disappoint me. Utterly disappoint me. The PlayStation Network is down, possibly due to hackers and everyone is thirsty for blood, demanding these hackers be arrested, or requesting time alone to physically harm them. This is what makes you all angry? Being unable to play games online? I understand, parts of some games are locked off for now, but you guys must have other games that can be played in the meantime. Myriad PlayStation 3 games can be played right now without requiring access to the PlayStation Network. The U.S. is involved in three wars where innocent people are bombed daily. Obama has gotten us into another war, and you guys are upset at the PSN being overloaded? There are definitely worse things that can happen in life than being unable to access the PSN for a week or two.

However, I concede this may affect Ben and Arnold as they may be unable to perform their jobs without the PSN. If so, they are exempt, to everyone else - the comments and questions in this post still apply.

There are other activities one could partake in during this period of inactivity. They are as follows:

1) Read a book.
2) Read a book.
3) Masturbate.
4) Watch Noam Chomsky's dvd's, or watch his videos on Youtube or Netflix.
5) Play board games with family or friends.
6) Go outside and talk to people.
7) Watch Frankie Boyle on Youtube.
8) Watch Jimmy Carr on Youtube.
9) Write stories, even if they're bad. Just use your imagination and create something of your own.
10) Draw, even if it's bad.
11) Portal has single player.
12) Mortal Kombat has single player.
13) SOCOM 4 has single player.

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bridgera
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:58:33 AM

I agree with you that people are definitely going over the top with their outrage.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:16:45 AM

Admittedly, demanding physical harm is going to extremes, but arrest is not. Not because of the inconvenience to the consumers, but because of the possible ramifications of the PSN being hacked. It was a secure network which passed thousands of monetary transactions daily, and the bank account details of potentially millions of people are put at risk by an event such as this. The anger at this is fully understandable to anyone able to realise that this more than just network downtime.

People are entitled to be angry at whatever they choose to be, and I'm sure that many do indeed feel resentment at the world's governments for the (unnecessary, IMO) wars that are taking place at this very moment. However, that is not a, shall I say, active anger. It's in the back of one's mind, and there is no real reason to rail against it. Understand that people's anger is directed at what they take to be the most grievous affront to them at any given time. In this case, for many, it is the inability to access the PSN. No, it may not be one of the great problems of the world or life but it is an annoyance and, clearly, the most prominent one.

Finally, your list is kinda whack. I like that you make out as if those are our only options. I could add a few:
14) Take a hike.
15) Practice (or take up) a musical instrument.
16) Get drunk (not one I'd personally advise).
17) Celebrate Easter with family.
18) Go for a swim.
19) Lift some weights.
20) Drive until you get lost (always fun).
21) Go through the city centre and look at things you'll never be able to afford.
22) Lie back on the grass and think philosophical thoughts.
23) Begin renovations on your house.
24) Sit back and smile. You've got your whole life to waste.

That's just a few, but it adds to your list. Also, I must question the position of masturbation... Second, really?
Peace.

P.S. If you think it wise to call me out on my pro-hate reasoning, know first that I cannot access PSN at any time, so this outage has no effect on me whatsoever. Similarly, I have never sent personal information on the magnitude of my credit card number over the internet. Finally, I am Australian so my views and understanding of the wars may differ from yours, as must my knowledge of recent events pertaining to American involvement. (That's all I'm writing on that topic. I've touched too sensitively on that nerve here before.)

Last edited by Lawless SXE on 4/23/2011 4:22:56 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:44:10 AM

We try to keep things civil around here, so I'll just say this without any malice in it: you're an idiot.

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gunblademaster
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:48:36 AM

Turbuent

you sir are a true fool.
There was an article before by the headline of 'to be a gamer you have to' GO READ IT!!
Stop generalizing us gamers and assuming gaming is all we do.

Man you lack imagination. You take things way too seriously, Sarcasm was what we were using, well at least what I was using.

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:41:22 AM

Well, I'm disappointed by the down time during the long weekend. Many of my friends are spread out across our two fine countries of Canada and US. And it is during common holidays like this that we usually find opportunities to all be online at the same time. We play games and just talk about stuff in every day life.

So for that, it sucks.

Additionally, I'm with World on this one. I can be upset about PSN being down if I want. But it's not like I have no idea what to do with myself. Outside isn't much of an option due to immense amounts of rain and lightning storms... >.< but last night, for example, I drove up to Toronto with some friends and watched the Jays beat the Tampa Bay Rays.

As for today, if it's still down, I'm gonna work on some home renos, and when the wife gets home from work, we'll probably use that $50 Boston Pizza gift card we have and do something nice.

Your generalizations are annoying.

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:58:35 AM

Well just been playing playstation move like crazy since i just got my SOCOM 4 FULL DEPLOYMENT EDITION, and loving it. I have to say the single player does suck in ways but it makes it up in various ways. Needs a bit more action, it's almost the same thing over and over again.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:04:38 AM

My ire has nothing whatsoever to do with the PSN; I rarely use it at all outside of work, and I don't even need it for that right now.

No, I cannot handle the hacking mentality for multiple reasons. Let's just say I despise the child in a man's body pretending he's something bigger than he is mentality.

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bridgera
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:14:23 AM
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Well I'm about to get the thumbs down. Oh well.

So many comments of people hating on someone else because they temporarily can't use a feature they bought the console for.

That is exactly how everyone who legitimately used OtherOS felt.... except it was permanent.

Truth is it totally blows when you're a bystander being punished for this crap.

The dumbest part about the entire thing, is that it would be less than 1% of people giving a damn enough to actually try and hack their PS3 and play duplicated games even if it could be done. Both sides definitely made a mountain out of a mole hill.

Sony's argument for removal was crap. That's why they lost class action lawsuits in various countries such as Norway over it.

Anonomous' actions are total crap. WTF is your endgame Anonomous, how's this helping anyone?

I'm tired of everyone with their BS dishing out the crap.... give me OtherOS back, and give me PSN back.

Sony & Anonomous, stop dishing out crap!

Last edited by bridgera on 4/23/2011 4:15:48 AM

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___________
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:37:48 AM

A-F*CKING-MEN!
typical humans!
when a feature they dont give a sh*t about is down, they could not care less.
when a feature they care about goes down the sh*t hits the fan!
now you know how us linux users feel, and dont forget PSN will be up soon, linux will NEVER be officially back for the ps3!
not to mention PSN users are not loosing anything, if your like me and was using linux for studying purposes i had to buy a external HDD to backup my work, and a new device to install linux on to continue my course.
it was funny, i read the other day a guy in Sweden put a complaint through about the removal of other OS, and the board advised sony should reimburse him 100 euros because hes ps3 is worth less now.
there not the courts, so they cant force anything which is kinda unfair because not everyone has the time, facilities, and money to take this to court.
i would, but i dont have the time, whos going to do my work for me?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:49:02 AM

So having a piss poor version of linux on your PS3 is as important as connecting to PSN? Somehow they don't seem comparable to me.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 5:11:09 AM

World, we used to be able to do both. One does not have to exclude the other.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:18:52 AM

World, for this particular point, I have to stand by anonymous here. I was too in the same boat.

In fact, I was saying to Ben earlier, that I had to get an old computer from work in order to re-install my Linux and continue on with what I was doing - web development. It was so good to use OpenOffice and Gimp on Linux PS3, it wasn't slow at all. Browsing on Firefox on Linux PS3 was much better than using the standard browser on game-OS; and to top it all off, I was able to use all of Google's services through Firefox on Linux PS3.

It was very useful to me. I went out and paid a huge amount of money for the original 60 gigger, justifying due to the fact that it was a gaming console and computer in one. Exactly what I wanted. I remember the months leading up to the launch, telling friends how excited I was about the feature and how useful it would be... it was also a huge space saver not having to have a PC and PS3 in my room at the same time...

So now, for us former PS3 Linux users, a very useful feature was removed. If I did not update, I would not have access to my games, or PSN. It was a very bad corporate move and I can never forgive Sony for it. I don't care how much in a minority I am in... it was my money that bought a product that was supposed to do "x"... and today it doesn't do "x", it does "y".

I am upset for all the gamers who don't have access to PSN today, but to be honest, this may sound terrible, to some but this is justly deserved. Sony has had to swallow a bitter pill... a good lesson learnt one would hope. Whatever happens in the future, with NGP or PS4... i really really do hope Sony learn from these corporate blunders and think strategically about what features need to be included and released before finalising future products.

They create amazing products, they have the best gaming studios in the world... but sometimes, man, the decisions they take boggles the mind...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/23/2011 6:23:05 AM

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RadioHeader
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:49:35 AM

"typical humans!when a feature they dont give a sh*t about is down, they could not care less.when a feature they care about goes down the sh*t hits the fan!"

obvious point is obvious

When I get my psychiatrist's license ima do you for free, for the lulz.

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main_event05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:31:53 AM

Didn't Sony remove the otherOS because of hackers in the 1st place??

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:55:58 AM

I agree with you. But, i wouldn't mind having bothliunx and psn back again. Just another feature to brag about.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:16:15 AM

What else can they do? You have to stop hackers from running amok somehow. It just doesn't seem smart to me to be running your linux needs from a game console in the first place. Even I knew the OtherOS option wouldn't last.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 12:59:55 AM

Fair enough World... I think it is a balance thing. I mean for me it worked very well having Ubuntu on the PS3. As stated, it did everything I wanted it to do for general computing.

What was interesting as well was that the PS3 Linux community as well were developing a lot of optimisation and memory saving scripts. I run all these scripts once, after having installed Ubuntu, and the whole system ran better and better as I turned off unnecessary background services.

It was brilliant for me.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 2:31:31 AM

1)OtherOS was a "nice to have", free extra, not a core feature - whatever you bought the console for, it was never pitched as a Linux workstation.
2) OtherOS was not removed summarily or in a mandatory way. You had the option of sticking with it and not using PSN, or updating and finding an other way to use Linux.
3)OtherOS was removed from PS3 firmware in the Phat because GeoHot exposed a potential security hole that was rooted in the Hypervisor and OtherOS feature. But that was at the option of the user who had to acknowledge no less than twice that they wished to proceed, before confirming a third time to install the update.
4) The fact that a free extra was curtailed because of a security breach is really not a particularly outrageous thing. Sony made no promises or warranty for OtherOS, it was simply offered as an 'as is' feature for hobbyists to play with.
5)So far as I am aware Sony has never lost even a single class action lawsuit over OtherOS. There are still cases on-going, but the most recent news I saw was a major one where the case was essentially gutted bu the judge.
6) get over it already, The fact that the PS3 has been compromised - as has PSN - is sufficient proof to me that Sony was very right to go after hackers, and I would urge them to continue to do so. You don't own the firmware on the system, you use it under a license. You own the hardware. People that hack the firmware and security systems are not Robin Hoods of the new century. They are enablers to the criminal element, no not necessarily intentionally, but anyone claiming that what someone else does with their work is not their problem is avoiding the issue and being utterly naive.

Qubex, I'd be real careful about standing with anonymous.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 4:20:45 AM

Highlander, please don't tell me what I should be-careful about saying. Is this a veiled threat of sorts, because if it is you are well out of line?

Amusingly, when I mentioned "anonymous" in my post I WAS NOT referring to the hacking group "Anonymous".

I was actually referring to our anonymous poster "__________________". My post was expanding on the points he/she/it raised!!!

Regarding OtherOS...

1) OtherOS was a "nice to have", free extra, not a core feature - whatever you bought the console for, it was never pitched as a Linux workstation.

>> Who are you to say or define for Sony (and everyone else) - it was a "NICE TO HAVE" feature. For many of us it was the feature that motivated us to purchase the PS3 initially. I WANTED a gaming console and general computer in one; and that is what SONY was offering!!!

2) OtherOS was not removed summarily or in a mandatory way. You had the option of sticking with it and not using PSN, or updating and finding an other way to use Linux.

>> OtherOS was removed in a "mandatory way", simply because if I did not update I would lose 2/3rds of the functionality of the PS3. Features and functionality I paid for its distinct ability to play games on it. What was the point then of buying it. I should have gotten a big bulky PC. I wanted a PS3 because it fulfilled my gaming needs and permitted me to run Linux for my general computing needs!!!

3) OtherOS was removed from PS3 firmware in the Phat because GeoHot exposed a potential security hole that was rooted in the Hypervisor and OtherOS feature. But that was at the option of the user who had to acknowledge no less than twice that they wished to proceed, before confirming a third time to install the update.

>> That is Sony's problem not mine. They have engineers to fix these loopholes, like they have done by combining all loader functions into lv0 for the v3.60 security patch. Sony removed functionality from my console that used every single day!!!

4) The fact that a free extra was curtailed because of a security breach is really not a particularly outrageous thing. Sony made no promises or warranty for OtherOS, it was simply offered as an 'as is' feature for hobbyists to play with.

>> It was not a free extra as far as I was concerned. It was part of a strategic decision I made to purchase the unit and spend hundreds of dollars $$$ on it because I was getting a two in one product. If there was a possibility to have known the Sony was going to remove features, cut down on USB ports, do what ever they wanted to do with your unit I would have bought a PC - story closed. But as I didn't know... well we know the result now right...

5) So far as I am aware Sony has never lost even a single class action lawsuit over OtherOS. There are still cases on-going, but the most recent news I saw was a major one where the case was essentially gutted bu the judge.

>> I don't care whether or not Sony lost a court case... it is not my business. What is my business is having unit that does less 4 years down the road that what I did when I first purchased it. What is my business is that my crowded desk and general space has been compromised because I need more equipment in my room. What is my business is the hassle I had to go through of sourcing an old computer and setting everything up again, my development environment and the like... that is my business and not yours, or Sony's. They just caused issues for me...

6) get over it already, The fact that the PS3 has been compromised - as has PSN - is sufficient proof to me that Sony was very right to go after hackers, and I would urge them to continue to do so. You don't own the firmware on the system, you use it under a license. You own the hardware. People that hack the firmware and security systems are not Robin Hoods of the new century. They are enablers to the criminal element, no not necessarily intentionally, but anyone claiming that what someone else does with their work is not their problem is avoiding the issue and being utterly naive.

>> I will NOT "get over it" as you put it. I will purchase a next generation PC for my Linux development and multi-platform gaming, and use my PS3/PS4 for exclusives... but nonetheless, it doesn't take away that Sony were wrong; and many people feel likewise about it...

I always enjoy discussing interesting and thought provoking points Highlander.... but I ask you again... do not be condescending, and please do not post in a way where some will simply agree and squirrel away in hiding... because that ain't going to happen.

For the record; I enjoy reading your posts and learn much from them too; and I hope you continue to be informative in your posts, but don't talk down to people or make them feel that their opinions or feelings mean nothing, because that is not the case...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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___________
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 8:39:55 AM

loose linux, or loose the ability to run newer games and PSN access.
hows that not forcibly removing a feature?
if you did not need newer FW for PSN, and for newer games then i would of stayed on older FW.
thats why sonys getting sued, and why the consumer board in Sweden ruled sony should refund the customer 100 euros because his ps3 is now worth less then it was on purchase because of less functionality.
you cant remove a advertised feature, or threaten the removal of other advertised features.
if you could have linux and PSN and newer games access on older FW then fine there would be no problem, but the fact of the matter is you cant!
if M$ did this yous would all be ripping their heads off!

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:39:10 AM

Yeah I agree with Quebex:

It's true stop defending sony, I know about all that agreements and terms crap, but we gotta look at our selves as consumers. Now, I know that lets say if you got a ipod and it came with a 1 year warranty it broke 2 days after warranty, well according to the warranty it expired 2 days ago, so though luck. But apply could always let it go and give you a warranty that would just be really nice but not what their warranty says.

NOw with the other os feature that think that was a dumb move to pull on people but you gotta stop defending sony about it. Quebex here does seem very pissed off about this and I can understand a small fraction of it. The feature was never ever advertised, but it was shown to be able to do it on the console. It is rarely used feature, but in all honesty it still was nice to have.

I just hope sony makes a revision of the slim not just throwing in games but adding better hardware like more usbs or smalled GPU AND CPU in nanometer wise.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:20:36 PM

Thank you for your post anonymous and sha4dowknight05.

Ultimately yes, it is the principle of the matter. The idea is corporates should NOT think they can simply do as they please; especially when a feature was paid for and "baked" in and released with the product you purchased.

"Failoverflow" and "Graf_Chicolo" have gotten Linux back up and running on PS3's, and this is very encouraging for previous users of Linux PS3. Linux works very well on the PS3 Slim. There is no issue with that. It would be great to get Linux back on the Slim because it would save even more space!

What a shame really!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/24/2011 10:23:22 PM

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:11:14 AM

The single biggest mistake Sony ever made was pandering to Linux and hombrew enthusiasts by including the option to install Linux. And Quebex, that feature is indeed nothing more than a "nice to have" feature. If you go back and look at allt eh material, it was a feature that got a lot of press, but Sony never claimed it was a central feature, and it was always described in ways that left no doubt about it's tertiary nature.

As for supporting the likes of Graf chokolo, I'd rather not come our in support of people who are as unhinged as that. The Fail0verflow guys are a little different, but the whole lot of them are indirectly causing huge damage the livelihoods of thousands of people by breaking the security of a platform that many thousands derive their income from. Personally, I'm outraged that such thin justification (the termination of OtherOS support post 3.21 due to a security breach by Hotz) is used as justification for what borders on criminal action.

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___________
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:27:52 AM
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, were suppose to be getting portal 2 DLC tomorrow!
kinda glad i did not get into the infamous 2 beta, id be on a plane to fix the servers myself if i did!
sooooooo dying to play that game!

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:21:03 AM

I am sure you can wait for it!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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BikerSaint
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 1:29:47 PM

_____________,

Didn't you just tell someone else to have patience, when you've never had any patience yourself????

Yeah, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

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godsdream
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:42:07 AM
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Wow, I don't remember read Ben that pissed, but I understand in a kind of way. I almost never write comments but always read all posts with all their comments and subscribed to the email since long long time ago. I mention this because this is also one of the most diverse (different subjects) commenting posts I've remembered (from ranting, to wishing of death [which is no fun at all], to a joke, to an obituary, to an advise, and who knows what next) . I love this site, and I swear to God I will always do. Seriously, guys like Ben, TheHighlander, Bikersaint, and other awesome loyal members make this site special. They guide, advise and inform us of many things that I feel that this is some of the few special places in the entire web, and I'm not joking. Of course I am like this because I feel identified in many ways with you guys, being two of the main ones that I love gaming of course, and that I'm a loyal playstation fan, but still.

On topic, I'm starting to think that Sony is being infiltrated by some who knows valuable info, like ex-workers or something. And a second opinion would be that I don't understand how Sony can't copy the strategy of Apple if you know what I mean. They could make important selling figures in both hardware and software imho and make once and for all the ps3 the console of choice from now on, I mean, I know the PS3 is now the console of choice, but you know, even more than what it is now.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 5:16:40 AM

What do you mean by "the strategy of Apple"? What strategy?

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Qubex
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:34:08 AM

godsdream... I don't think Sony is trying to copy Apple directly; what they are doing is creating/developing an effective gaming and media ecosystem whereby their devices are served by a centralised network... and in this case, it is PSN.

PSN is an iTunes of sorts. Sony's corporate strategy is to tie in all their hardware related products with a centralised software portal accessible over the internet. We have the PS3, PSP and now Experia sharing PSN content. Bravia TV's, Sony Blu-Ray players (and other devices) are also part of this overall strategy of "linking" in all their hardware to one centralised enterprise software platform.

As we seen though, there are also huge risks doing this. Without some form of mirroring or redundancy network infrastructure in place, if the network should be intruded ( as we see now), or fails for some technical reason, a back-up network takes the slack and permits "essential" services to be made available if need be.

Interestingly though, de-centralising the system may be better than centralising it. The service could still look and work in unified manner, however having redundancy server cluster can help take up the slack should the primary cluster go down.

Whilst Apple may view gaming as their new frontier in making money on their hardware platforms; let's remember their hardware is portable. It supposed to be used on the go. Apple is not competing directly with Sony in the console space... however I fear that is about to change. Heard rumours that the next AppleTV may in fact house a gaming portal come platform. The new AppleTV could in essence become an Apple gaming console.

Either way Sony is looking increasingly under pressure. I hope for our sakes their first party studios come out with better and better games. I think hardware will ubiquitous, it will be all about the games, the software - primarily, it has ALWAYS been about the GAMES!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/23/2011 6:36:59 AM

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Excelsior1
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 5:46:34 AM
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@godsdream

i don't get that either. the only apple stategy i see is releasing extremely overpriced iterations of its hardware yearly. i also disagree the ps3 is the console of choice. at least not in na. they are facing a real uphill battle against the well entrenched 360. i don't think the ps3 will ever be the console of choice here. the 360 has been the 1 selling console here for a long, long time for reasons that boggle my mind.

as for this disaster. sony needs to secure its network period. a denial of service attack should not be able to knock out a network this long. that's just a matter of filtering out where attacks are coming from. 2 days is outrageous. i will credit sony for finally telling us what the hell happenened. the constant speculation was driving this story pretty hard.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:23:08 AM

This is definitely not just a DOS attack. Security were breached in one way or another. Either data is leeched or inserted.

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firehahahahaha
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:11:58 AM
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I'm not mad about playing games online, but the clock on my PS3 got reset, and I can't play a single game on the HD until it can connect to the network and reset the clock. I was gonna go and finish SBCG4AP this weekend :(.

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:36:54 AM

You should be able to set it manually in your system settings. Try that out first. There's also a setting for having your PS3 automatically set it by connecting to the internet. Turn that off. Hope that solves your problem.

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firehahahahaha
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 6:17:47 AM

I did do it manually but it won't count that.

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Cesar_ser_4
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:49:06 AM
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yesss a minute in a room with them taken style

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Alienange
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:11:23 AM
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Said "room" would have to have a tree in it for Ben to do REAL damage.

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parasitic
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:22:47 AM
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This is mega pissing me off. All I wanted to do is play some online games as a reward after finishing my essay. But no, can't even do that and for how long? Another week? Longer even? I don't even have my PC with me at the moment to play on Steam... So my relaxation is over...

That's why I hate hackers who compromise our security... I'm sure it is the Anonymous group, they just won't admit it because of their devoted fanbase who support them. Protecting consumers? Allowing us freedom, my ass.
Argh, I could rage for hours over this...

/rant over.

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main_event05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:36:24 AM

I believe it was them too. But the ten billion yen question is they say information is free but didn't geohot charge people for his exploit??

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:01:40 AM

So...you can't find ANY game to play offline by yourself?

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parasitic
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:07:13 PM

Ben> some of us are poor students who haven't got many ps3 games to play :) I have finished all of my campaign mode games, I don't like replaying the same game.. whereas multiplayer provides some fun and keeps you in the 'unknown'. That's why some of us are raging... If only I had Portal 2 to play... :S

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friction
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 8:26:25 AM
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Thanks for updating us with an estimated time for it to be back online. Sigh...

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:13:53 AM

They may not have any more precise estimates themselves yet...!

It's gonna be real interesting to learn what exactly has happened, though.

Last edited by Beamboom on 4/23/2011 9:17:56 AM

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Excelsior1
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:39:36 AM

@beamboom

i bet we will never find out. at least not from sony. they have only spoken when the outcry got this loud. even when they speak they really aren't saying much. just a pr disaster. no win scenario for sony. the longer the network is down the more inept sony looks.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:59:30 AM

No maybe not publicly from Sony, but I expect we get to know what happened anyways. This case seems to be so large that many inside Sony must know about it, and the more people who know, the easier it leaks. :)

Last edited by Beamboom on 4/23/2011 9:59:47 AM

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Deleted User
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:13:14 AM
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It amazes me how lowdown and dirty these idiot hackers are. They want everything for free, want to inconvenience people and have the gall to call themselves video gamers yet do very little spending beyond buying a console and modding it for "free" games.

I, for one, want to see what these jerks look like. I would be willing to bet that hitting them with hammers is futile; they already look like they have been hit with hammers.

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CH1N00K
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:19:28 AM
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Never thought I would ever say it, but I miss the days when the worst thing I had to worry about on PSN was getting Tea-Bagged by a snot nosed little punk....

Thank you Hackers for ruining it for everyone. What does this accomplish? By the looks of the internet outcry at this, it's definitely not bringing in any supporters to your cause. So what was the point?

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Excelsior1
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:32:16 AM
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sony's silence on this matter was deafening and drove the rampant speculation. i'm just upset the network is so damn unsecure and does not have some kind of reduancy. it's been down for freaking days. networks are going to get attacked, but should not be down for this long. it falls on sony to secure the damn thing. this is just pr nightmare for sony no matter how they spin it. our networks were breached just translated to our networks were not secure in thre first place.

don't thank me for my patience becuase it has run out. get the damn thing back up. my god sony you just look so clueless and inept right now.

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:56:53 AM

I guess the reason for this silence mainly is to not draw too much media attention to it, much like when Ben choose not to publish stories about the so called hackers on this site.

A strategy I very much disagree with, but I think this must be their reason.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:58:30 AM

How can you do things if someone is attacking you relentlessly? And no network is secure, there is always holes in security, things aren't 100% secure as people claim them to be.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:22:57 AM

@beamboom
that strategy backfired on them big time and drove the story.

@clamdeus

it's true no network100% secure, but this is more than a dos attack. a major network like this should feature some kind of redunancy regardless. this amount of time is just ridiculous. i hold sony accountable for the amount of time this has taken, and their apparent ineptitude in dealing witht this.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:47:21 AM

It's bigger than we all think, it's not like they can do this in one day. It's going to take time you are pretty impatient to think they can fix something of this scale in a few days or less.

I highly doubt Sony or any other company could defend against multiple hackers that are very skilled in their trade, even with security measures in place. We don't even know the size of the group that are doing this, or if it's even Anonymous doing it. It could be a very different group than Anonymous.

But no matter how many measures you take it can always be bypassed in different ways.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:40:31 AM
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Off Topic:

I just got a laugh today, someone said that Gears of War 3 and Uncharted 2 are the same.. They both are adventure games he claimed. Rofl

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:08:36 AM
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Let me just end any controversy around Anonymous right now-

A criminal is a criminal. Your reason, excuse, goal, or supposedly lofty purpose is entirely irrelevant. There are ways of making changes for the better in this world, and while global extreme cases (of which there have been about five in the entire course of humanity, and this issue doesn't even come close to qualifying) are the exception, Anonymous doesn't impress me, and shouldn't impress anyone.

Kids with gigantic superiority complexes who found a damaging way to play with their toys should get no attention, and definitely no awe. And if the damage breaks laws, all they should get is a pair of handcuffs.

Want to change the way things work? Don't agree? Yeah, we have a structure - built and ensured by those bled the ground red in the Revolutionary War - that allows us to step up and attempt to make those changes within the boundaries of the law. Of course, that requires ambition, intelligence, and a desire to step outside the house every now and then. I have respect for ideas. I have zero respect for those who attempt to implement them for the sake of their egos, under the guise of "making a statement."

That's all.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 4/23/2011 10:12:49 AM

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Excelsior1
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:34:05 AM

whoever is responsible for this shares a lot of the blame, but so does sony. it has been freaking days. what did these hackers do? did they somehow physically remove sony's servers? poor network security combined with no apparent redunancy. it falls on sony to secure their network. they knew these attacks were coming, but fell flat on their face when they happened. their overall respose to this has been very poor.

hackers to sony: we are coming to smack you in the head.

sony: duh!! what just happened? thank you for your patience.

Last edited by Excelsior1 on 4/23/2011 10:39:16 AM

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:50:04 AM

I highly doubt they knew this was going to happen when they had to resolve issues with Geohot, you can't predict when an attack is going to happen.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:52:21 AM

So, it's Sony's fault that hackers exist?

The root of the problem is clear, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Sony or any other company that simply tries to offer a service over the Internet.

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Highlander
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 2:35:13 AM

Excelsior,

You're making the issue far more simple than it is. If someone was able to intrude into the secured network, that has far reaching implications that go beyond bringing a server or two back up.

Sony has to a) determine how it was done, b) determine whether anything was stolen or for that matter implanted, c) determine whether internal secure communication protocols were broken, in which case they have to be changed, d) distribute updates to all involved systems to use the new security protocols, and e) potentially distribute new firmware to every attached user client to update security protocols.

All of that takes time, and it's just not as simple as turning things on again.

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Wissam
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:25:36 AM
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Me thinks too late to comment now. I wonder what kind of intrusion caused this.

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main_event05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 11:26:27 AM
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I just hit 40 hours in DA:O

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COD_death
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 12:07:05 PM
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F the camera's I would just like to knock the s@@t out of them for all to see

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Bloodysilence19
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:31:13 PM
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this isnt the first time a network has been down. anybody remembers xbl was out for almost 2 weeks back in 2008. if Sony can get psn up and ready hopefully by this weekend im fine with that.

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main_event05
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 6:44:06 PM

Yeah, but if i remember that was when they did a complete overhaul of the PSN

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Lord carlos
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 1:49:20 PM
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HACKER:'Taking away otherOS is blasphemy,madness!
KAZ HIRAI:'Madness you say? THIS IS SONY!!!!
kicks hacker out a 48 story window in downtown tokyo.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 2:12:38 PM
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I hope whoever caused this gets circumsized or re-circumsized by a cheap prostitute!

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godsdream
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 3:02:25 PM
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@Beamboom and Excelsior1. By Apples strategy I meant that they seem to let little by little homebrew be a part of their devices because they already saw that that helps their selling numbers big time. And every time they update it seems they don't want to update to "a full secure" device.

@Qubex. I agree that Sony and Apple are not in a front to front competition, but what I meant is that they could learn to apply little by little a kind of not general integration with that market (homebrewers, or what ever you want to call them). Or for example make an open source to let people integrate more like apple did. That is what I meant. If they want PSN integration with a bunch of products like portable gaming consoles, cell phones, Tv's, etc.(which I find awesome) Sony could turn the tide to their favor by doing this imho.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 1:17:37 AM

This issue is "security" though. As Highlander and myself have pointed out before, at a commercial level the ecosystem is designed, deployed and managed by the commercial company in question. The administrator's of the network, in this case, are Sony; because all software is licensed and run on their manufactured hardware which we have bought in the form of the PS3 console.

If the whole system was suddenly opened up, without the necessary control structures in place, it would erode the "value add" that Sony tries to sell you through their network. It's not that Sony cannot open up the system, or wouldn't, the question is, why should they?

With a "closed" system, you can commoditise software, you can monopolise it, you can set "premium" prices for software that should cost a lot cheaper in some cases (admittedly there is a lot of crap out there - shovel ware if you will). If you had a general app store, in order to protect your "premium" software (and profit margins), Sony would still need to "regulate" the pricing of those apps accordingly.

The whole point of bite sized software or apps is that you don't have to spend huge amounts of money on them, especially if they perform a useful function, well programmed and are robust. a 0.99c app or game is very different from $14.99 PSN game, or $60 AAA game. Yes there is a difference in game type or quality; but hell... I run Angry Birds on my Sony Experia i10x for free, and play it for hours now... and it was FREE!

To have a general open source app store would canabolise Sony's "premium" software margins. Addictive small games could be developed in droves and released. Developers may want to give these smaller games and apps away for free and base their revenue on the increasingly popular advertisement model. Now what would that do to Sony's current revenue model, when non of their games are free and supported by adds...

With Androis and the iOS, the playing field has changed. As more people get powerful smartphones in their hands and they get more used to logging into their app stores over the air, and downloading cheap apps and addictive games, or worse - FREE apps and addictive games supported by advertisements, the larger game companies and console makers will come under increasing pressure... Industry heads are already complaining about it... they are not happy.

Sonty, Apple (and maybe even Google in the future), will want to retain some measure of control over their ecosystem, including pricing and profit structures. Without this in place it is anyones game...

The million dollar question is this... if the opensource / app store model become dominant would the quality of our current software be sustainable... would we get the ground breaking games we get today...

I honestly think not!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/24/2011 1:18:58 AM

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hehateme
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 4:32:19 PM
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give me one karate chop to the back or the wrist juuuuuuust one is alll i ask! and this war would be over

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eaglebaize
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 5:50:10 PM
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This matter involving Anonymous has been a bit complicated. However, I have two speculations to present regarding the PSN's downtime.

1. Seeing as Anonymous more of a network rather than an easily-narrowed group, perhaps there is a group within that network that (for whatever reason) is contributing to this downtime.

2. This stuff could be a plot by Sony to try to turn more gamers to their side, whether specifically because of the Geohotz case or just Anonymous in general. Maybe Sony is staging this entire thing.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:00:58 PM

I doubt #2 That seems like a dumb move when you are going to be losing revenue while the PSN is down, and i highly doubt Sony would do a move so childish like that.

I bet even Microsoft wouldn't do that either.

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 7:10:47 PM

Oh you kids and your silly conspiracy theories.

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StevieRV
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:00:59 PM
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alone in a room with the hackers and a tree

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LegendaryWolfeh
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 9:57:18 PM
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Anon Recon found a security whole in PSN which involved private information (card #'s, etc,) and exploited it, Sony realized it and shut it down before any major damage was done, and now we play the waiting game.

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mid10smaradoarg
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 10:19:31 PM
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We sincerely regret that PlayStation Network and Qriocity services have been suspended, and we are working around the clock to bring them both back online. Our efforts to resolve this matter involve re-building our system to further strengthen our network infrastructure. Though this task is time-consuming, we decided it was worth the time necessary to provide the system with additional security. We thank you for your patience to date and ask for a little more while we move towards completion of this project. We will continue to give you updates as they become available.

I hate that we dont know how long this is gonna take but im also happy that they are taking this seriously and care about our security in order to provide a better service.

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AnonWTF
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 11:42:09 PM
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I wonder if the hacker is a really cute girl. Hmm...

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 1:10:49 AM

WTF??????????

There have been stupid questions asked in the past but this one is plain idiotic.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 1:19:39 AM

That hacker was my grandmother!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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frylock25
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 5:23:06 AM

my guess is its a reference to the movie "hackers" with angelina jolie in it.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 8:34:51 AM

Yhea Frylock, I enjoyed that film :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:43:26 AM

Okay okay now i feel dumb, I didn't understand that movie very well. decent movie.

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Robochic
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 1:21:54 PM
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hackers suck!
@ frylock25 that movie was awesome.

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Riku994
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:13:32 PM
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This has got to be the most commented on article in PSXE history.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:07:49 AM

Not even close. :)

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main_event05
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:16:40 AM

wasn't that one of the final fantasy articles.

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Arvis
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:27:58 AM
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Recently I lost all the data on my PS3 HDD because my system software got corrupted while browsing the Playstation Store. This was just one or two days before all this crap went down. I ended up having to format my hard drive, so I lost everything. All my GT5 data (150 cars, 7.5 mil credits), all my FFXIII data, Valkyria Chronicles, LBP1&2... everything.

So... am I right in assuming that this happened because some hacker "intruded" on the PSN and fed my system some bad data while I was browsing?

:(

-Arvis

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Robochic
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:36:36 PM
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@ arvis sorry to hear that man, that really does suck. I backup all my stuff just incase this BS with hackers happens I too have had a similar problem with my last ps3.

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Lairfan
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:36:28 PM
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F***ing hackers. I know they're probably laughing at our comments right now since we can't really do anything about it, but I still think they're a bunch of anti-authority idiots who have way too much time on their hands that they use to do stupid and idiotic things.

I absolutely hate this hacking subculture, not only for the lack of sense displayed by the participants (attacking Sony's online network that is used by tens of millions of people everyday? And you don't think you're losing the suing case how?), but how little of an actual life they lead because of this crap. If I had half as much free time as these people and all their technical talent/possible genius, I would have solved freaking world hunger by now, not f***ed around with people's entertainment systems before promptly getting my ass sued off.

What a bunch of morons. I have no more to say on this matter.

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