PSN Downtime: Two To Five Days

Zemus101
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:15:01 PM
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It's not bothering me too much. I'd rather they do it right than quickly. Even if it takes another week. I know that Sony is working as fast as they can, cuz the sooner it's up, the sooner we can start buying/playing things again.

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maxpontiac
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:32:28 PM

Me neither. Plenty of stuff out there to enjoy without the PSN..

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The Doom
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:32:34 PM
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I really gotta say I applaud Geohot. I really do. If it weren't for him messing around with the OtherOS, Sony would never had removed it in the first place. As such other hackers wouldn't have been so ambitious with 'attempts to bring back OtherOS' and trying to bring it a step further with homebrew. But hey, then those programs would NEVER had been followed by the jailbreaks, back ups, and root keys that haunted Sony and threaten their investment. Yeah. Then Sony wouldn't have tried to stop him from releasing the keys by bringing him to court (although I could've sworn that he said he'd quit hacking the thing...). If ONLY it NEVER had to come to that, then the Anonymous fagtivists wouldn't even have came into the spotlight, preach about giving me my 'freedom' (apparently we have two definitions of that word), and wouldn't have fu**ed with the network in the first place. Hell, I bet no one would even think about fu**ing with PSN. So I thank you Geohot for putting us on the road that would drive the PSN community to hell. That way if I ever get to meet him, I would reward him with a fist to his motherfu**ing face. ^^

Last edited by The Doom on 4/24/2011 9:36:08 PM

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:42:19 PM

Shouldn't you mean "you're appalled by Geohot". Not sure why he should be applauded.

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:00:52 PM

Best thing to do if I was him was to do just for myself or maybe a group of close buddies. That's it that's all nothing for the public. Sure the fame is nice (well hackers love him we hate him) but it ruins things for eveybody.

Damn stupid smart people!!!!!!!!!

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shadowscorpio
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:31:57 AM

Doom

So funny how these crimimals were the cause of this by abusing Sony's infrastructure and because Sony's counters by removing programs and aspects of their services, the criminals b**ch that its not fair.

Like you said, the hackers caused it in the first place. Man, this gaming generation just keeps getting better and better. I hope, this proves to be a real lesson learned for the future generations by all fronts.

Last edited by shadowscorpio on 4/25/2011 2:33:06 AM

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Fane1024
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:40:11 AM

Jawknee, I think your sarcasm detector is on the fritz.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:53:50 PM
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Well this sucks ass.

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gunblademaster
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:39:36 AM

I just have to ask.

You guys know about the new feature for the Xbox were you can put foxtel on it?

Uhhh....am i the only person who thinks that is epic fail? I mean, why not just get it for your Television in the first place?

Unless i have completely misunderstood something

(my comment is meant to be under Ben Dutka's comment. Don't know why it appeared up here)

Last edited by gunblademaster on 4/25/2011 2:44:49 AM

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RadioHeader
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:00:13 AM

"Edit: Sorry to make it seem like you're all responding to LittleBigMidget. But you knew "AGradeGamer" had to go."

Ah, that explains it. I haven't really checked but I imagine the internet is awash with false claims of "switching to 3suxty & xboxlag". Stupid xbots with nothing better to do... If my PS3 grew arms and punched me in the face every hour of use I still wouldn't consider switching to M$. Been there, suffered that!

As for the outage. Weather-wise, it couldn't have happened at a better time for me. I've got a suntan, in April, IN ENGLAND :)

Edit: "(my comment is meant to be under Ben Dutka's comment. Don't know why it appeared up here)" Mine too, thanx gunblademaster.

Last edited by RadioHeader on 4/25/2011 4:05:54 AM

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Lord carlos
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:14:02 PM

doubtful,xbox live was down for two week in 2008.
7 days is a walk in the park,hmm? sunny weather in dublin at the moment
i think beers in the park is a great idea instead of just walking :P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:35:18 PM

Anyone who trades in their PS3 over this doesn't deserve one in the first place.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:56:46 PM

Nonsense. Those who are that desperate to play online need their heads examined.

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sonic1899
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:10:14 PM

I agree with world. There's been times when XBL has been shutdown (despite people playing for it) and if anyone switches over based on this incident doesn't need one at all. Funny how when 360 has problems (RROD, XBL shut down, etc,), everything's cool, but if the PS3 has them, they threaten to switch.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:23:45 PM

I know right. When the 360 RROD's, Xbots go out and buy another one while they wait for their refurb to be returned. PSN goes down for a few days and suddenly it's gaming Armageddon.

I gotta say, the reaction to this from some in the Playstation community has been greatly disappointing. I really believed a majority of us were more mature and able to handle something like this. Too many are acting like this is the end of the world.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:29:35 PM

Agradegamer,

No offense but what are you, like 8 with that comment????

Nobody's stupid enough to trade in their PS3 for a bot-box except another stupid Xbot who's already had 9 or more RROD's.

And at least a 1/3 of the time I sign in on my Elite Deluxe, I get the message that some 360 functions are down, but they're trying to fix it.

Sooooo, moral of the story is.....

M$ gives us next to nil info on their outages compared to Sony, and their constant mis-functions are least 10,000% more often.

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Bloodysilence19
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:55:04 PM

they trade it they trade it, give it what month they will trade it again for another 360 and another, another. it shows what the gaming community has come to that alot of people rely on online to play games. i just dont get why dev make sp portion of the game anymore if people just want to play online only. i wonder how this generation of gamers could handle playing games back in the early 80's and 90's when online didn't exist in gaming really, games like street of rage, golden axe, super mario, crash bandicoot, original mk,zelda, ff, original dk, heck even duck hunt, they probably go i actually have to have skill now to play games o man!!!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:55:42 PM

Hmm...4 posts...all 4 promoting the 360.

.....it's just SO hard to spot the trolls. Really, it's mostly all luck.

Edit: Sorry to make it seem like you're all responding to LittleBigMidget. But you knew "AGradeGamer" had to go.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 4/24/2011 11:58:43 PM

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Temjin001
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:57:44 PM
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Well, I have Xbox Live to satiate my online gaming needs. I guess it pays not to have all of your gaming eggs in one basket. But even then, even if I didn't have LIVE, I have a crap load of high quality single player games to fill the time. Heck, PSN could be down for a month, or two, and I'd be fine.

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PorkChopGamer
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:27:40 PM

The second sentence is my favorite.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:18:39 PM

Indeed, that's why I have Wii, PSP and a DSi.

:)

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johnld
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:52:44 AM

i'm keeping busy looking for souvenirs and intel in socom 4 and crysis 2. supersoldier run is almost done, i just walk past whole levels cloaked and it was pretty easy.

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Temjin001
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:47:11 AM

Porkchop, no pun intended. Honest =p

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Lord carlos
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:58:21 PM
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Its free so i cant complain,although ps+ members might feel differently.

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DazeOfWar
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 9:59:06 PM
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It doesn't bother me to much. I have plenty of games to play in the mean time. It does suck that it may be down until next weekend but oh well. There was some other games I wanted to buy but that can wait.

It sucks for Sony cause they are losing money with it down. Specially if it we might not see a store update this week. Hopefully everything is going good for the people working on it and it's up sooner before we know it.

As for people thinking they need to be compensated I think that is just ridiculous. I'm a Plus member and have in no way lost anything from PSN being down. I haven't lost out on any free games or discounts. I would think Sony would extend anything that people would have miss out on so they don't feel cheated. Anyways I hope the best for Sony.

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swapnilgyani
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:01:36 PM
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I believe anybody who is paying for a time-based online service, such as PlayStation Plus or DC Universe Online, are entitled to some form of reimbursement. Most logically, this would be extending their membership duration by the number of downtime days.

For the rest of us, a more secure PSN which is still free is a good enough compensation!

All of this is, of course, assuming that the users' personal data has not been compromised in any way. If it has been, then we're opening a can of worms here!

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Jed
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:05:30 PM
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Its good to hear an actual timeline. I'm not totally depressed with the network being down, but it is worrisome. I just hope Sony takes the right steps to deal with the b*stards that caused this, and be prepared for the next round of jerkoffs fighting for our "freedom" our whatever else they can come up with to justify the crap they cause.

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Fane1024
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:47:38 AM

If Sony had an actual time line, it would almost certainly appear on the Blog before it trickled down to the customer service drones.

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jimmyhandsome
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:11:16 PM
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Damn, that blows. I was fine with it being out this past weekend because I was extremely busy with other things and the holiday but I was hoping to get my Socom MP gaming on this week. The SP is so far pretty lackluster, and I'm almost done with it. Hopefully this will be resolved by Tuesday or Wednesday. Lets get it, Sony!

And I'm hoping they let us know what happened and what they did to fix the problem after this gets resolved. Not necessarily blaming them for this, but they have not handled it the greatest so far with the initial silence and then vague explanations(I've read the other threads that Ben posted a few days ago, seems like I'm not the only one who thinks that way). I forget who said it, but a great company is usually defined by how they handle themselves when things are bad/going bad. We all know Sony was pimping out the first party titles and bragging/promoting their exclusives and upcoming exclusives, but hopefully they can be upfront with their customers when things got ugly with this PSN outage. Whatever, life keeps moving with or without PSN.

Last edited by jimmyhandsome on 4/24/2011 10:12:50 PM

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:12:28 PM
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while i think it sucks that the network is gonna be down for such a long time, i'm not too pissed since i've been playing the hell out of MK with my buddies for the past few days

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:15:11 PM
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I'm not bothered by not being able to play online. I'm still playing Dissidia 2 and I have Portal 2 to finish, then I can start Socom 4's campaign, but I am worried about how deep this breach was. I read on Playstation Universe that these scum bag hackers got in the Admin Dev accounts and were able to access peoples credit card information. I'm not 100% that it's true but it would be a disaster for Sony if people lost confidence in their ability to keep our most personal information safe. That is the main reason I am pissed off. These people really need to be found and arrested. I saw in a news report that they arrested 5 Anonymous members in the UK over their hacking of MasterCard and Paypal and the FBI issued 40 arrest warrants here in the US to find the members that reside here. I hope the FBI nails every damn one of them and adds their harassment of Sony to their list of charges.

If you're interested in watching it just Youtube or Google FBI looking for Anonymous.

Last edited by Jawknee on 4/24/2011 10:17:51 PM

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Qwarktast1c
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:20:49 PM

thats why i use the PSN cards instead of credit cards
(i don't use netflix or any service charge application)

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Lord carlos
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:02:11 AM

"You asked for a miracle theo?"
"I give you the FBI"

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:03:36 AM

I've said it before, but anyways; *If* they managed to get to our credit card info then it is a catastrophy that Sony never told any of us. I simply refuse to believe that until it is a proven fact, cause that would mean that none of us ever can trust Sony again.

Last edited by Beamboom on 4/25/2011 4:04:07 AM

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:15:47 AM

@Qwarktast1c

"thats why i use the PSN cards instead of credit cards" That's exactly the smartest way to go.

Last edited by AcHiLLiA on 4/25/2011 11:17:51 AM

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pillz81
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:39:36 PM

If I had their hacking ability I would track them down, and find a way to arrest them on child molestation charges. Then they'll be freed from the oppression of their heterosexuality. They will be open to more "open" sexual experiences. Heh. I'd like to see them hack their way out of a prison rape.

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playSTATION
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:16:24 PM
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why are people so upset about a service thats FREE? take your time Sony.
in the mean time i shall finish AC Brotherhood, Shattered Dimensions, Saboteur and many many more.
Just dont want PSN down when Uncharted 3 or Resistance 3 is out.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:18:52 PM

Because we live in an age of entitlements. People think they deserve compensation or a refund for something they got for free. It's sickening and it needs to stop or were doomed as a society.

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Qubex
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:25:11 PM

Have to admit, this will turn out to be a nightmare for Sony... they may well have to battle it out in court with more lawsuits. It will be interesting to see what happens next...

Q!

"no.psn.get.over.it"

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matt99
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:32:53 PM

Well I can understand those who are paying for Plus getting upset, but it hasn't been down anywhere near long enough to warrant any sort of compensation.

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jimmyhandsome
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:37:25 PM

I dont want a refund, I just want an explanation of what Sony did/does once this problem is fixed. And to know if/how my CC information was compromised. Sony is going to have alot of explaining to do if thats the case.

@playSTATION, you might be singing a different tune if it does go down when the games you want/purchase come out. More specifically, I just bought Socom 4 to play online just last week and I've barely been able to do that! Just kinda sucks. Just cause you're currently not affected doesn't mean that others arent a little upset over the situation.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:53:20 PM

I just got Socom 4 too and my friend and I had plans to play some co-op on Portal 2. I'm still not upset about not being able to connect. Being able to play games right now is the last thing people should be worrying about. How deep this breach is and what kind of information was leaked or stolen if any is what people should be concerned with.

Really, this isn't as big of a deal as a majority of the entitlement freaks on the internet are making it out to be.

Agrade, I am a Plus subscriber and I agree with him.

Last edited by Jawknee on 4/24/2011 10:54:29 PM

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:34:11 AM

Qubex,

What the heck do you gain from being so anti-Sony in this topic? More lawsuits over the suspension of a free network due to an external attack? Are you kidding me? You seem to take pleasure in Sony's problems here, I almost expect you to applaud Anonymous and Hotz, despite Hotz being the reason your beloved OtherOS was terminated. Sorry, I am just wondering why you seem to be taking pleasure int his?

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Jawknee
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:06:03 AM

I didn't read his comment that way. I took him as saying this is going to turn into bad PR for Sony which I can't disagree with even though I myself don't think Sony is doing anything wrong or deserves the bad PR. Other people especially the biased gaming sites are already spinning this, trying to blame Sony or start a console war. IGN is already writing articles demanding some kind of compensation for lost PSN time.

As for the lawsuit part. I thought he was saying Sony should file more lawsuits against the perpetrators of this crime. But I could be the one who read his comment wrong.

Last edited by Jawknee on 4/25/2011 1:10:31 AM

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bigrailer19
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:09:05 AM

Highlander-

I'd like to ask qubex the same question! Because up until a few weeks ago he was very pro Sony, everything was 1st party talk for him with very high praise. Then ever since we seen some BF3 footage ( at least around that time) he's been pro PC. Now because of hackers, and the PSN is being maintained for a time being, he's gone what seems to be against Sony. No concern, just that this is terrible news for Sony, is all he's talking about.

So Qubex since I mentioned your name, I ask the question, why you think this is so terrible?

By the way I'm just making an observation. If none of what I say is true please feel free to elaborate. I'd love to be wrong! ;)

EDIT: after reading what jawknee posted I can see some light to qubex' statement. I disagree with it still, but I could have easily read it wrong! I only disagree because I can't believe how people are taking this. All this PR stuff is just being ate up by the terrible media sites. Sony may have their handful with that but I guarantee you all they care about is getting the PSN back up for us! The rest they'll deal with later!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 4/25/2011 1:16:49 AM

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:18:25 AM

Well, I'm not going to converse with Qubex any longer, so if he decides to respond to anyone in this thread, that's great, but I won't participate. I do not share his view in the least.

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Qubex
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:30:12 AM

Thanks Jawk, yes... I meant that as we have seen in the past, Sony has had quite a bad run of PR, for what ever the reasons. I just hope it doesn't become another long protracted affair for them.

As we saw with the Geohot's case, it was best for both parties to bury the hatchet, Sony just didn't want anymore attention. This PSN intrusion and system failure just lit everything up again for them... I am sure they are hoping it will all pass over... and so do we... I am missing some Battlefield to be honest... :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/25/2011 3:31:18 AM

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Qubex
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:42:02 AM

Sad to see all the hate Highlander; I thought you were well beyond that sort of behavior... looking forward though to more of your informative posts... and hope "balanced" in all aspects of their debate.

Just a point to note... all of us here enjoy our Sony product. Remember we are the consumers, we invested money in the product and we support the product; BUT i don't want to have sex with the PS3, and it is not the end all and be all of my life... and neither should it be for anyone. It is an entertainment device.

At the same time though, just because you like something to death, it doesn't mean you have to accept everything the said corporation throws at you, neither should it stop you being unbalanced in your views or bias toward a specific point of view...

PsxExtreme is brilliant because of its community. People coming in from all angles sharing their thoughts and opinions... for varying reasons and situations, people's opinions may be a little off center either way about Sony as a company and its actions.

This does NOT mean we hate Sony suddenly, or have changed our tune on the support we give the company. What it means is we can debate points that show up bad corporate practices or where we feel we have been unfairly treated as consumers, and we have every right to do that.

In fact, Sony as a company would not change, grow or evolve if it were not for its users being critical of some of its actions - meaning - being constructively critical... rather than downright negative.

Corporates need to listen to their users, and sometimes, a problem that occurs is a sign for a corporate to listen and not just monopolise their market as if they are king of the hill. What we have seen in the past, and what we see now, is that Sony must listen and listen hard to its users. If they don't they must never be surprised for what ensues in the future. This goes for any other company one may support.

Sony would not exist without its customers.

By the way, how old are you Highlander?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:28:46 AM

I believe Jawk is absolutely right. Also, this *is* a bad thing for Sony, there should be no doubt about that.

But it would be really sad if this case cause a split in the community here. It's not worth it, the hackers has done enough harm as it is.

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gunblademaster
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 7:49:58 AM

These hackers.....

whats their purpose?

So far I have come up with three solutions.
1) they want attention
2) they are trying to prove a point
3) they are bored

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:06:55 AM

It's not hate Qubex, if it was hate I would stalk your posts and attack you at every turn. That's precisely what I don't want to do. I know that we disagree totally on this issue, and I know we both feel strongly about it. Rather than fall into the trap of reacting to certain posts posts with anger, which unfortunately I sometimes do, I am simply trying to stay from that kind of discussion with you. It's not a matter of hate, it's a matter of knowing that this is a hot topic for me, and I want to avoid reacting with anger where none is merited or needed. Yes, I should be better than that, yes I should be able to discuss rationally. However, this particular issue (hacking the PS3 and the implications beyond) is one I feel very strongly about, because the concepts and implications go far wider than simply whether the PS3 should have retained OtherOS.

But as I said, I know that I disagree with you completely, and rather than make a bigger a$$ of myself than I already do in life, I am going to try to simply leave it alone - difficult as that is because I love a good argument on a hot button topic.

So, my apologies for posting my previous remark about not replying, there was no need for that. As I say, it's not about hate or hating - more the opposite of that really.

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Qubex
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:12:38 PM

Appreciate your post Highlander! I look forward to reading more of your informative posts. Everyone gains from them, including myself :)

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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frylock25
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:28:37 PM
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i havent been all that bothered by the network being down. i mean i dont like it but i have no choice but to deal with it. i want to be playing mod nation racers or red dead redemption online but oh well. i have actually been going through half life 2 as i never made it more than 2 or 3 hours in with the mouse and keyboard. now that i have a controller for the computer its so much easier.

on top of that i also scored a date with this super hot chick for monday night the other day. if i had been gaming online that might not have happened.

another couple days to the end of the weekend i guess isnt that bad but it still sucks. i still have plenty of games to play though.

the only things i expect compensation for are subscription services that charge set amounts for so many days. i paid $5 for 30 days of free realms. i only had it for about a week before they shut psn down. i honestly dont think that is to much to ask for them to just give me the amount of days it was down back to me. i dont expect anything crazy just the service i paid for.

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Fane1024
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:58:44 AM

RE: compensation

...what frylock said. Llike Jawknee and Daze, I see no need to extend PS Plus subscriptions. In fact, if Sony were to issue a code (or whatever) rather than just adding the days themselves, I wouldn't even redeem it. But the MMO subscriptions should be extended, because there people are actually paying for play time.

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Aerifale
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:39:54 PM
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oohhhh...the PSN is down? i really hadn't noticed as i've been enjoying thee gorgeous weather over hear in Ulster :D

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:42:57 PM
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You know, plus subscribers aren't losing out on their perks. Just sayin.

It'll be good when this is over though. What a bunch of craziness. Winter is over you know.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:47:46 PM

I could only see us losing out if this went on for more than a month or two. And even the it's not a huge deal as most of us have already gotten our monies worth.

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Fane1024
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:03:50 AM

I'm sure any offers will be delayed / extended to compensate for the down time.

Plus (pun not intended), I'm sure the current deals will be recycled in a few months anyway.

p.s. I didn't read the post from Daze directly below before writing this one.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 4/25/2011 3:06:18 AM

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DazeOfWar
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:46:11 PM
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Why do people keep thinking that Plus subscribers should be compensated. We haven't missed out on anything yet. I could understand if it was down for more than 2 weeks but 4 days doesn't harm anything. When you pay for Plus it is paying for games, themes, avatars, extra features, etc.

Just so you know I am a Plus member since D1 and don't feel Sony owes me anything. I'm pretty sure Sony will extend any sales and other misc. items for people who missed out with PSN being down.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:46:31 PM
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I gotta say. I really love this community. Everyone here understands what's going on and while none of us like it, we're all acting like grown men and woman in dealing with it. Just about everywhere else I visit at least half the commentators are either mad at Sony, looking for so form of compensation or both. It's sickening really.

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sha4dowknight05
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:01:42 PM

I wouldn't say everybody but around a good 80% of us can tolerate this.

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gunblademaster
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:08:29 PM

I know exactly what you mean. This site is so pro and everyone is so mature.

This is by far the best Playstation site I know.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:17:14 PM

Indeed Sh4dowKnight. I can think of a few right off the top of my head who shall remain nameless but compared to the rest of the online gaming community sites. PSX people are great.

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Bloodysilence19
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:17:42 PM

totally agree. ign mainly is turning this into Sony owes a big thing to us gamers. the only problem mainly ive seen is people acting immature or xbox community going this is why i pay 60 dollars for online or turning this into flaming console war.

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:17:43 PM

Maturity goes a long way on this site. Which is why this is the first gaming site I check to start my day. :)

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:25:28 PM

"this is why i pay 60 dollars for online or turning this into flaming console war."

LOL! As I said before. Xbots have selective memories. They pay for LIVE and it's gone down on more than a few occasions. For 2 weeks in 2008.

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:40:53 AM

Oh so true, Jawknee. I love how we can all have such great conversations and debates with respect and maturity. Sure, we goof around sometimes (that may be a slight understatement haha), but mostly the discussions here make other sites look like children with speech impetements. I almost don't want PSXE to get more popular because the people that currently comment are so much better than those of Kotaku, IGN, and all those other big sites. Everyone generally knows everyone, and I'd really be sad to see that change. Don't let it change, Ben. We love the site the way it is :)

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sha4dowknight05
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:05:32 AM

There is good discussion on this website. Sure I know I do get into some bumps here and there, but this community is a good one.

UPDATE: playstation blog says they should get the servers back up and running by tomorrow or the end of this week.

I'm going to say lot's of ps3 will be smashed or thrown out sold, and xbox 360 will be bought for no reason by immature little high school kids who have no life because they can't get on cod.

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Miggy
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:35:09 AM

Yeah I know what you mean. I just went to ign and one their editors named Colin Moriarty is fueling that "I want a free game/money when it comes back up" fire. It is really dumb. The worst comment he made is this:

"Yes, the PlayStation Network is free. But when I purchased my PlayStation 3, part of what I paid for was access to the PSN. Without it, the PS3 can do about as much as my NES can -- play games that I put into it (and, in the PS3's case, games already downloaded to it). I'm not a huge fan of online multiplayer, but I do like accessing leaderboards, syncing my Trophies and checking up on my friends. I barely have the will to play PS3 without its online functionality, and I know there are millions of gamers that feel the same. "

Last time I checked my snes couldn't play blu rays or dvds or music or go into the internet with its own albeit crappy browser. Hell it couldn't even play vhs. That comment just rubbed me the wrong way. I guess I expected a little more professionalism (don't know if thats the word) from them. Or maybe after visiting this site so much I expect other editors to be on the same level as Ben & should realize that doesn't happen so often.

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SickOfAnonHacks
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 3:11:31 AM

The kind of rubbish being peddled on IGN does nobody any good. I enjoy online gaming (racing almost exclusively), but you don't have to think too far back to the PS2 which had basically no online capability but we all spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours playing it.
Now we have have the PS3 which is a vastly superior console with superb graphics and physics capabilities (sadly not all devs take advantage of) which plays beautifully rendered games on and offline, Movies from HDD, USB, DVD and BluRay, music from mp3, CD and wireless media servers, surf the net, watch TV programs you've missed watching live, video conference (my eldest daughter lives 2000 miles away), display your family photos in full HD on a huge screen and I'm sure a few other things I've forgotten off the top of my head.
I probably have another 100 hours to complete GT5, so I think I can fill in some time offline.
Yes, Sony has a responsibility to keep it's network and our information secure, but nobody can safeguard against every possibility. Hackers will persist until they get the result they want, that's why we update our virus definitions daily and Windows has had countless thousands of security updates.
Sony's communication during this event has been poor, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are not dealing with it properly.
I hope PSN is up again soon but I'd hate to see them rush and encounter a similar problem in the near future. Sony, take the time you need to get it right.

Hackers are too blame for this situation, and when they are caught I hope Sony accepts nothing less than jail time for these criminals.

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shiroxkatsuya
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 10:57:34 PM
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well that kinda sux but i can deal. i just hope we get a good explanation of what happened when this is all done.

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Ultimate_Balla
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:02:08 PM
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@World, word up on your first comment.

Hahaha. Man, i'm having difficulty drawing an image of the 'socially akward' dependant on on-line gaming right about now. Go to the gym or something. Not everybody there is in great shape, quite the opposite actually. Or, like play outside, something. . . (My internet speed is depressingly slow eitherway so the issue influences me little-to-none)

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Bloodysilence19
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:13:30 PM
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if a takes a weeks thats fine, as long the problem is fix and ready to go by that time.
i guy that goes to my church who works for sony said sony has been having problems way before anon attack and gehotz i guess. he said that sony is experiencing the problems Google encountered awhile back with their servers, which i don't remember. he said also that amazon cloud service was slight problem with psn as well due to psn cloud service is actually part of amazon cloud service sony uses about 25% of it. that's problem true since amazon cloud service was having issues that day. he also said to me that he doesn't believe that it was external problem at all that it was something complete different. so who really knows for sure whats happening over at sony.

i think some people really need to calm down though with psn being down, cause everywhere sites, youtube, people are getting up set that sony hasn't had the psn up and working again and should be compensated with things. imo Sony doing that right thing in keeping it down and getting it as secure as they can, which i guess people don't get that Sony is doing it for the consumer. i rather have very well secure online than have quick patch and have it go back down the next day. with compensating thing, Sony doesn't owe anybody to point. i do think Sony should at least give reg psn users that don't have plus a free mini or full game like dead nation just something. plus members a extra month be fine with that plus mems already get plenty free and half off deals.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:15:16 PM
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Couldnt care less if I can or can't get online in the next couple days. I need a break from it, in fact I enjoyed my Easter weekend. It was nice not too have to worry about playing games. As long as Sony is working on it, and making the situation go away, im ok with the time frame.

I think most of those who are really upset about this have far too much time on their hands. I play a lot of games, A LOT, but in no way has this gotten me any where near upset. Im frustrated with the hackers, but not because I can't log on.

As for the plus members, I heard a rumor that they would get an additional 3 months on top of the 12 they purchased due to all this. I dont know if theirs truth to that but if it is thats pretty nice.

I also think most people saying this is bad for Sony should take a look back to 2008 when LIVE was down for 2 weeks. Why is it that everybody acts like it didnt happen, but as soon as it happens to Sony its the end of the world. Really tired of hearing people complain about nothing. Just imagine living in an era when your grandparents were growing up, when the only fun to be had was getting out of the house to work! Come on!

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BikerSaint
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:50:01 PM

Bigrailer,

<<<<Just imagine living in an era when your grandparents were growing up>>>>

Yeah, Kevin Butler's grandma played with a stick...a stick!

"Boom"

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bigrailer19
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:28:47 AM

Haha that's a good one! Glad you brought it up, fits perfectly!

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Alienange
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:31:29 PM
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It's given me time to get back into Fallout New Vegas. Unfortunately, that game ain't that great. Meh, we'll see, maybe it'll get better as the week drags on.

Still miss my PSN buddies though.

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Jawknee
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:43:01 PM

Are you getting Rage?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:47:58 PM

Yeah New Vegas isn't so fantastic, but once you beat the game the ending is cool and really ties up all of your experiences well and looks in on the people you've affected. A good game, just no Fallout 3.

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:30:19 AM

I've done the same Alien, and came to the same conclusion too. It really is not such a great game. As a matter of fact it was a turn-off to go back to New Vegas after the last two BioWare adventures.

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YesterdysRising
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:35:06 PM
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It definitely feels a little bit off without being able to sign into the PSN but it is giving me some time to catch up on all the PC games I haven't had time to play.

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BikerSaint
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:35:08 PM
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Agradegamer,

No offense but what are you, like 8 with that comment????

Nobody's stupid enough to trade in their PS3 for a bot-box except another stupid Xbot who's already had 9 or more RROD's.

And at least a 1/3 of the time I sign in on my Elite Deluxe, I get the message that some 360 functions are down, but they're trying to fix it.

Sooooo, moral of the story is.....

M$ gives us next to nil info on their outages compared to Sony, and their constant mis-functions are least 10,000% more often.

BTW, I also see that you've only made about 6 posts that are recent, & you've already had one of those comment removed, so go astro-turf somewhere else & spend the money M$ is paying you, to do something useful, like fixing your next 9 RROD's.

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Alienange
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:41:05 PM

Hahaha

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:47:30 PM

BikerSaint FTW!!!

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BikerSaint
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:56:05 PM

Well that's weird, I edited the comment way up above & somehow it turned into a 2nd comment way down here.

Hmmm, I think my computer's got a bad case of "Ghosts in the machine"

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ZettaiSeigi
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:47:12 PM
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I'm still busy with my single-player games. Currently going through Killzone 3's campaign and I like it thus far. Other than that, I could wait until Sony sorts out whatever they need to do with the PSN. And yes, I am a Plus subscriber as well. I don't see a need to ask for any reimbursement yet. But that's just me.

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frylock25
Sunday, April 24, 2011 @ 11:57:25 PM
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how are people posting on the psblog? to post you must sign in through qriocity. but its down so how are they able to post?

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Fane1024
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:14:33 AM

That's a good question. Since I'm on the PS3 browser, I can't log in on the Blog under normal circumstances. Is log in on Sony's website unaffected by the PSN lock-out?

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Ignitus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:00:30 AM
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As Temjin says, it's good not to have all your gaming eggs in one basket. That's why it's 360 and PS3 for me.

I guess we can't complain, SONY gives us PSN for free. The Plus suscribers on the other hand...

Let's hope SONY fixes it soon.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:37:06 AM

PS Plus subscribers haven't got a lot to complain about either, it's content that we pay for, not the online portion.

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BattleFox21
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:10:54 AM
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I think it's great that they finally are beefing up the PSN maybe it will lead to better internet connections and less lag (hopefully). If it's going to be down I hope they enchance it even further to make live look like a dead corpse...lol. If this down time provides us with that it would be a downtime welcomed rather than regreted. That's my P.O.V. on the situtation. I'm expecting a miracle here, but better than before would be worth it to me. I do happen to experience lag from time to time especially from the previous downtime. nough said hope all goes well for Sony!!

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Gamer Girl Gemo
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:31:33 AM
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It's nice that we all have an estimate of time for when PSN will be back up. Thankfully we won't have to poke and guess at when it may come back on now. As boring and uneventful gaming seems without PSN, it just doesn't seem right for people to be demanding free things of Sony. The online gaming is already free, what more is there to want? Not to mention the free demos, a good amount of free themes, wallpapers, and other goodies. This time begin away from the PSN actually makes me appreciate the fact that the service is free more so than ever.

PS+ users I can somewhat understand wanting compensation, but the days that PSN has been down haven't been all too long. If I had PS+ I'd just hope that my payment for the extra features doesn't become standard for the entire PSN community. I highly doubt that will happen, but it's something to consider happening. I, however, wouldn't pay for PSN. As much as I love my online gaming fun and PS friends, I just wouldn't pay for it.

Lastly, I'm just happy Sony is re-building things instead of tweaking what they already have. Makes me feel like my information will be much safer than before and the security of my gaming will also remain equally protected. I've always been a Sony girl, but now I'll always be a Sony girl because of how much effort they put into everything they do. Take your time, Sony. We want it to be perfect! :)

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:47:56 AM
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If Sony is rebuilding, that means that the compromise they detected was at a very high level. If the attack was more than a takedown attack, then Sony will really be paying attention to the rebuild t ensure that whatever vector that was used is plugged and that other security mechanisms are altered to prevent a second intrusion. Not o mention that an intruder may have placed backdoors in the system which Sony has to remove. To do that they will have to rebuild every server from the ground up to make sure no 'extra' software is present. Not an easy job.

This is why PS3 needs to remain secure, and why PSN needs to remain secure, and why homebrew enthusiasts and Linux fans need to look elsewhere for their jollies.

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Jawknee
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:09:35 AM

You think it's possible that when Sony moved their servers from SCEA to SNEA that they missed something allowing for a hole to be found?

I wonder if the hackers were waiting for the Steam integration to take advantage of how open it became.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:14:20 AM

I doubt it is related to either of those moves. I don't doubt it's related to the various hacker groups that have decided to make Sony and Sony's customers their chew toy.

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Qubex
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:49:25 AM

Yes, spot on Highlander. I did mention something similar a few articles before that I felt the intrusion was very deep. Even though Anon have said it wasn't them; it could still have been individuals from the group that have caused such mayhem.

Alternatively, as I think you mentioned a few times already, these CFW's, especially Rebug; may have been the disastrous attack vector that a far more organised, sophisticated and professional hacking group used to get right in there and mess with peoples account information. I do hope they haven't. I have read on various forums and the like of people being very concerned about their private information having been hacked. I am really hoping no information or credit card information has been leeched.

Time will tell, we will see how strong Sony's security measures are when they finish with this round. What is more worrying though is that methods for acquiring v3.60 keys are already a foot. How long will it take before v3.60 is hacked. :(

It will be an ongoing battle I think :(

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Clamedeus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 5:43:54 AM

I just hope these attacks cease. It's pointless in my eye's to attack a gaming company no matter what reason you have.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:21:29 AM

Qubex,

Let me ask you a wider question, not specific to PS3, but more related to closed systems, digital delivery via closed network services and firmware on network devices.

When you have a integrated service that either is based on, or offers digital delivery of content purchased online, the client device is an integral part of the network and it's security. the firmware and/or software running on that device is the front line of that security. Leaving aside the debate on whether you can make a system hack resistant enough to make it practically (it takes too long to make it practical), although not totally, hack proof. How do we move the culture and law to the point where the network service and the security of that service which relies on the client security is not seen as fair game by various hobbyist hackers. I don't believe for a minute that GeoHot, Fail0verflow or Graf Chokolo (or the majority of the others) set out with any criminal intent. However the impact of the work that they did has been hugely bad for the gamin industry - now. The impact on the system security of PSN and PS3 has been a disaster. Further though, dragging in the eye of Moron collective of Anonymous who have no place in this at all has opened the problem further. Right now this is limited to Sony, but considering that both Microsoft and Nintendo take legal action against hackers and regularly ban console modders, it's only a matter of time before they too fall victim to this kind of thing. None of that was likely in the minds of the people I mentioned above, and yet all of it follows as a consequence of their actions. I know I have been saying this since before GeoHotz hypervisor exploit occurred, as have some others.

Looking at the situation as it is now, unless the platform's security can be restored, the platform is essentially doomed. That has very real implications for the lives of many people employed by Sony and their partners. It has very real impacts for customers who potentially are left holding a product for which an ever decreasing amount of content is available. It has a very real impact for a company that spent billions of dollars developing a product that was even sold at a loss to consumers on the business model of selling content and accessories over the long term to turn a profit.

How do we as a society move this forward so that the efforts of a very small number of entitlement minded people with no thought for the consequences of their actions do not have the impact that is clearly possible here?

In my opinion, tampering with system security in the manner that they have is very nearly the text book definition of computer mis-use. hacking into PSN is clearly illegal, even under the current laws. But that hack could not have occurred without being facilitated by the work of the others. Where and how do you draw the line in order to allow the business of online content delivery to work?

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:15:16 PM

Qubex, one other thought. I agree that it may be a long battle. I'm not sure how close anyone is to obtaining the keys from firmware 3.60. The principle keys that I don't believe can be obtained from the firmware are the new private signing key, and the hardware encryption key burned into the Cell. The private signing key - if the software is properly coded this time - is secure against reverse engineering and even brute force cracking - unless they literally get very lucky.

Either of these keys may have been the target of the intrusion into the PSN. If I were a hacker bent on permanently breaking the PS3 I would want the CellBE's hardware encryption key because that effectively unlocks the secure processing vault, which remains the ace in the hole as far as Sony and the PS3 are concerned.

I don't know how Sony handles that information, but for my money, that key value would only exist on either a closed and secure network that has no attach points to the outside world and no wireless capabilities, or on a very small number of physically isolated mastering workstations. the same is true of the private signing key. I can only hope that Sony were not crazy enough to have such sensitive information on a system that has any level of connectivity to the outside world.

Running a major global network is quickly gaining ground on the difficulties faced by intelligence services trying to protect their systems.

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sha4dowknight05
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:44:35 PM

I have something to add to this.

What if the hacker wanted to sony to do this rebuild everything ground up and let sony get thier online back. Then attack again this time making past their 2nd rebuild. Maybe the 1st hack they knew they could get past it all but can't advacnce as far as they wanted to, so do that get sony's attention to rebuild so the rebuild changes up thing with the servers so their second attack could be better. I'm sure half the people reading this won't get me at all, but if you get my point please reply!

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:40:19 PM

I think you may be overthinking it. The only way that what you're suggesting would be the case is if the hacker(s) had advanced knowledge of exactly how Sony would rebuild PSN, otherwise they are essentially attacking an unknown quantity. The hackers already know a fair amount about the PS3 and existing PSN. Attacking that in order to force a rebuild only makes sense if you know ahead of time exactly how that rebuild will happen. Without inside information I don't see how that can be. For that matter if they have inside information of that kind, why not use it on the first attack when Sony was unprepared. Once PSN is rebuilt and restarted, Sony will be on full alert for intrusions.

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johnld
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:50:24 AM
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not really that bothered by not playing online. what bugs me is that i cant access netflix. no matter how much times i tried it wont work. i keep reading people saying that they can get netflix to work but my ps3 just keeps telling me that it requires a psn connection to work. out of my entire house, my tv is the only one without satellite/cable connection. so i have to rely on downloaded avi videos. i also have a bunch of dvds to watch but i watched them all so much that i memorized the damn movies.

I also play my offline games. i'm almost done with crysis 2 on super soldier. its a pretty damn easy playthrough. but because of the dedication trophy, it'll take me 6 month to platinum the damn thing. Then i'll move on to socom 4, get every trophy i can. then i have littlebigplanet 2 right after. my only problem with this is that after getting all these trophies offline, its going to be a pain syncing all of them when the network gets back up.

also, because i cant use a 45 and 15 dollar gaming coupon on a 59.99 dollar game, i'm a penny short (stupid catch), i have to buy brink since the coupon expires the week before infamous 2, not interested in la noire. so for this year its brink, white knight chronicles 2, infamous 2, battlefield 3, and uncharted 3.

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BIGRED15
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:55:02 AM
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Just for all y'all handling this situation with patience i think psx community should be oompensated jk but really its true that most every site but this one, forum posts are more about chastizing sony and not about them taking the time to fortify psn in order to better our security. The idea of someone being able to access credit info through something as seemingly well protected as psn is daunting. So sony, take all the time you need to get this right i can definately wait and so can everyone else. Oh, and someone please make these hackers dissapear i dont care what u gotta do just do it.

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Skatejimmy5
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:09:49 AM
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It sucks, that's for sure. But there's plenty to do without online. Play single player games, watch movies, listen to music, go outside, do whatever. Not everything has to be online.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:12:48 PM

GET 'EM JIMMY!!!!!!!!!!

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BattleFox21
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:17:09 AM
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@ Highlander yes, (a lil off subject) I agree with you about the homebrewers, etc. looking else where but, It would have been nicer of them to give them jobs making emulators/homebrew type of things, for the PS3 rather than suing these people would have saved them the hassle and improved upon what is already a great system. Just food for thought Ben maybe u can get an answer from Sony as to why they don't befriend these hackers? The same I would ask Nintendo + Micro$oft. It would help separate those looking to make more use for the company's and those who intend to hurt them. I for one don't believe in pirating these games...but emulators and some apps that don't cause problems online and apps that go along with the companies interests would be nice and I think it's about time the companies start looking at these type of means to secure their products even futher as well as add more interest to them too.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:27:50 AM

You don't befriend people trying to destroy you. You can't befriend terrorists. You can't negotiate with people who do not share your aims. As clever as they are, the majority of the people in the scene wouldn't know how to construct a decent system firmware or architecture from scratch. They are clever enough to poke hols in some security and exploit them, they are clever enough to take someone else's work and modify small portions of it to graft in some other function. But they are not so smart that they can actually create the system in the first place. So why would anyone want to hire them?

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:11:05 PM

Oh there are *plenty* of stories where hackers are hired to improve security of a product.
I think it is very wrong to classify all hackers as incompetent to anything but punching holes in other systems security. There is never a single person creating the system firmware anyways. So the question is, could they become good contributors in that team. I'd say a definitive yes.

Wikileaks is created by hackers. Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, started as a hacker. D-link use former hackers to create the firewall software in their router hardware. And so the list goes.

Hackers are basically just typically young guys with an intense interest in, and talent for, computer technology. That's it, really.

(I did not give you that thumbs down btw. I do not believe in them, I only share thumbs up :) )

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slugga_status
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:29:31 PM

@Highlander

Sure you can. The American Government does it everyday. There are a lot hackers who served time, end up getting out and working for the FBI or police force. I would say they know a lot about firmware construction/architecture. Create a complete system? No..I agree with you. But everything else I'm pretty sure they have complete understanding of how it works.

Just like computer networks. Hackers don't just poke around to find the crack in security. They are very knowledgeable in networking and know where to find the vulnerabilities.

You could definitely hire people like these. Also it is people like this who test companies networks and find the holes as well. At this point with Sony it's all about making a statement which I do not agree with as it effects millions of other people.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:48:06 PM

Just to be clear, I am referring to black hat hackers, not hackers in the truer sense of the word. In the truer sense of the word, I am a hacker because I am a programmer and an code at lowlevel and I can disasemble a piece of software to figure out what it does, and analyse a network for weaknesses. However in the current use of the word, hackers are not simply people who hack code together or apart.

The use of convicted hackers and others by the FBI and police is not so much to use their hacking skills as it is to gather intelligence on the currently active individuals.

The very existence of white hack hackers, people' who's profession it is to try to break into systems and circumvent security indicates that the industry in general recognizes the need to test. However, hiring the very people trying to breach the systems in anger to defend them is very little more than giving into blackmail. The security experts who might be classed as white hat hackers, are extremely clever people and very able. Yes, some of them are reformed black hats, but the vast majority are simply very clever technologists who have knack or skill in that area.

You cannot negotiate with these groups, you cannot give in to their threats and pay them off with a cushy job. If you do, you lay yourself open to further exploitation because you are indicating a willingness to give in.

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Shiva369
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:45:49 AM
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Must admit, I was little irked at first, not being able to sign in to PSN, but it took me- oh, I don't know- 30 seconds to get over it...as for people whining about 'compensation'...pff. Sony's communication could be better, but we, the customers haven't been hard done by in the least...quite the opposite.

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___________
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:12:47 AM
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eh, portal 2s DLC did not come out, surprise, surprise so i can wait.
as long as its up by the time the DNF demo is out, but at this rate thats not exactly a challenge.
only reason why i bought the borderlands GOTY edition, which BTW who the f*ck gave that buggy heap of sh*t GOTY?
only reason i bought it was to get into the DNF first access club so i could get the demo early!
2 weeks away from original release and we still dont have the demo!
they said on their forums when the game was delayed that we would be getting it 2 weeks before the original release.
still waiting..........
what happened to the good old days where demos use to release a month before release?
not days!
you watch, 50 bucks says FAC members will get it a few days before release, and everyone else will have to wait till after launch.
for f*cks sake, if its ready for everyone at gamescom, pax, e3, god knows how many exclusive parties they had for it, if its ready for those people to play it, then why not FAC members?
its not like were going to rip your head off if theres one missing pixel!
come on, give us the demo to the game weve been waiting 13 freaking years for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BikerSaint
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:25:39 AM
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I just found this from Industry Gamers about the PSN power outage

(Make sure you all read the 2nd paragraph)

Speculation is running rampant that hacker group Anonymous is actually continuing its attacks, but according to VGN365 Anonymous is not responsible for the PSN downtime everyone is currently experiencing. It's possible that some splinter cell group attacked Sony, however.

That said, Anonymous doesn't appear to be done fighting Sony.
While its store boycotts were a failure, Anonymous member Kato stated that the hacking group is currently preparing another attack against Sony, and it’ll be scheduled to happen when the PlayStation Network is back online. If Sony gets PSN running only to have it break down again right away from an Anonymous attack, consumer backlash could be huge.

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Bloodysilence19
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:39:19 AM

i dont think they anon would attack the psn again, cause all it did the first time was piss off alot of gamers. but of course these are hackers they can just be lying to keep the anger gamers off their back. though they have said they are still planning a attack against Sony it most likely just going to be a bigger ddos attack. this is why Sony is taking their time in fixing the psn and making it more secure so if the psn goes up it wont get shut down again. of course consumers will extremely be mad if psn goes up and goes back down again. Sony would pretty much have so many lawsuit they would remove their gaming division which would suck the most. so who knows i just think people need to put their fanboy allegiances aside right now come to together for a change support in stopping hackers like this from ruining gaming.

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johnld
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:53:26 AM

why would sony be sued? well aside from those who are just out for a quick buck, you cant really blame sony for the outage, especially because these aholes are publicly admitting that they are or will be attacking psn. Not much you can do when a group of whiny morons decide to get together and do something like this. i still think they should just find and release these idiots identities to the public. their mob mentality versus our mob mentality, a dose of their own medicine. let them feel the hate of about 70million angry gamers, give or take a few for those with multiple accounts.

by the way, i bet most of these idiots are justifying their stance because sony removed an advertized feature (otherOS) even though they probably own a slim which was never meant to have otherOS. And they're also choosing to disregard the fact that OtherOS was removed because HOTZ released his hack for the ps3 to the public using OtherOS. Sony gave people the otherOS feature for their gaming system which they dont really have to since you dont need it to play games. what do those hackers do, abuse it and whine "i bought it so i can do anything with it" because they cant pirate games anymore. wait, i believe they dont pirate game, they back them up...... totally different.

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Qubex
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:54:39 AM

BloodySilence... problem is that Anon could be quite a big group. They may have numerous wings and splinter groups.

This is what governments fear, a sustained cyber attack. Extremely difficult to control and very disruptive... Sony may have to get ready for a long hard summer. I hope for our sakes it is over soon...

I fear it won't be though!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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gunblademaster
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:55:32 AM

Um this anonymous group, how the hell are they anonymous if people can talk to them and we already know their members....

Shouldn't these people be arrested or something!?

Please somebody explain because I am completely lost.

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Bloodysilence19
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:48:07 AM

@johnld
sony would be sued cause of games that req subscriptions like dcuo or plus members at that. i totally agree with what you said in your first statement. only problem is fighting fire with fire especially with hackers doesn't always work. to me Sony shouldn't of allowed the gehotz case to be settled outside of court, sony should of tooken to court right after the anon attack i guaranteed sony would of won, cause what anon(pov)pov=pack of virgins did after the case sony would have more prove why hacking like gehotz did shouldnt be allowed.

i feel you on the other os. i wish they came to sd where i live at when the boycott happen. i would of so been there start handing out tampons and diapers to them. seriously they are getting mad cause their precious os was removed didn't realize gollum was a hacker.

@qubex true they could be a big group etc, but their anonymous they dont have leadership or know who in it etc. it could be just small group of say 1k ppl. i just think they need to man up and show who they really are. hate what geohotz did but alt east he showed who he was, instead of hiding behind a screen.

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Ultimadesires
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:08:20 AM
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I've been at home for the last week so this has not effected me at all. Lately I have been having more fun on PS1 and PSP games anyway. With The 3rd Birthday and FFIV I am sorted for quite some time.

In all honesty I'm not much of an online gamer, So it really doesn't affect me much, Though I was hoping to buy FFV on the PSN store when I get back, If I can't, I'll get over it. As many have said its the PS+ members I feel bad for... Well I never saw the appeal of the service i nthe first place but as most of there membership deals require the PSN it must suck to have that denied.

But I hope they sort it out asap. I just go online for a quick muck around but my flatemate plays CoD, I can just imagine how frustrated he would feel if Xbox Live suddenly cut for a week lol.

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Eternal
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 4:45:53 AM
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Wow do these so called anonymous...have anything to do besides ruining gaming for people who bought games to enjoy them, what a douchebags.

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gunblademaster
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:24:45 AM

Comment pending moderator approval - due to all the swears used towards these darn hackers!

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 5:02:08 AM
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Since I estimate around 50% of my gaming time is spent as a coop player, and my main coop buddy live a 4 hour drive away from me (ergo local coop is not an option) I have to admit that psn being down now in the holidays has had a rather large impact on my gaming. With my lady visiting her family this holiday a rare opportunity appeared where my buddy and I had planned a really good, old-fashioned geek weekend with a pile of coop/network games, a stable of pizza boxes and red bull, and with Portal 2 as the coop headliner.
That's quality time lost. :(

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:18:51 AM
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yeah, sony told me 2 days at the earliest, a week at the latest yesterday. i had to really pressure them for that rough eta though. it's better than nothing. i wonder how differently things would have went if sony would have just given out some more information to begin with.

there updates were few and far between creating a real sense of fear of the unknown and driving the speculation rampant. no matter when the network comes up i still think it was poorly handled by sony. they really need to look at their pr department, and the way they deal with consumers. very poor crisis management.

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sniperflash
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:33:59 AM
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im really not that upset about it because i do have a life and i got other things to do but i shure would enjoy me some socom in the late afternoon if it was up but i am fine if it takes them a week as long as they get it fixed up right be cool if they gave us a new xmb along with it but i know that there priority right now is just to get it back up

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FlogginurMOM
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:52:39 AM
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You know theres no point in compensation for any PSN user, plus or not. Plus users are just paying for a free service that everyone else uses for FREE oh wow free demos and betas if anything that makes it not as good for us free users oh were sorry you cant play this beta because your not a Plus subscriber so your SOL freeloader yeah wow whoopdy do no psn if your gunna trade in for a 360 go do it dont whine on a blog about it just do it and all you people saying stop crying and go out get a life hah get real looks like your "life" is trolling on the internet telling other people to get a life wow

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FlogginurMOM
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:55:48 AM
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and who cares if anon did it if anything theyre making it better for us in the long run yeah sure online is out for a week maybe a week and a half but hey im sure with this well deserved downtime for the servers is going to improve them alot
more security and better running servers sounds like some good compensation to me

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FlogginurMOM
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 6:59:19 AM
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@gunblademaster
the name of the group is ANONYMOUS and theyre big on HACTIVISM for "all gamers in general"

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gunblademaster
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 7:16:24 AM

what do you mean? I still dont understand.

*sigh*

perhaps this stuff is way beyond my understanding. All I know is that there is a group, they hack stuff, it seems to be accepted for some odd reason, nothing is done to stop them and uhhh....

...

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parasitic
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:15:00 AM

Those people are nothing but skillful scum.
Some think what they're doing for games is good. But have you heard what they did for the Epilepsy websites/forums? Hacking those sites full of vulnerable people, trying to induce photo sensitive epilepsy just for fun? Now this is a disgusting behaviour. Whatever they say I wouldn't believe a thing, they're out there for their selfish gain not for us, consumers and everyday people.

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 7:21:47 AM
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@flogginurmom

i don't thank them for squat. they created a real mess for sony, and made sony look pretty inept. they can take their HACTIVISM and shove it.

@gunblademaster

i think he means we should be thanking these hackers for making online gaming better. that statement is crazy becuase it's the gamers who suffered.

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FlogginurMOM
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 7:30:22 AM
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well then its sonys fault for being inept they didnt plan for anything so they got taken down and besides if anon really did do it they wouldve ripped sony a new one and admitted to it

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 7:36:02 AM

i know sony shares a lot of the blame, but please don't thank these hackers. it's just insulting, and infuriating.

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Clamedeus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:03:37 AM

Sony isn't to blame, it's the hackers. I don't care what you say or how many measures Sony should of had it still would be useless when a group of hackers are very skilled at what they do. It doesn't matter how many times you secure something it can always be re-opened in another way.

All you can do is delay it but not stop it.

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:02:15 PM

Sonys security is Sonys responsibility. I disagree that Sony has no blame for this. From the looks of it Sony should have paid more attention to the psn security.

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:26:41 PM

@beamboom

ofcourse sony shares some the blame. like you said it's their network. they are responsible for its security period. they are also resposible for they flat footed response, and not really doing anything to allieviate a lot of the fears out there. silence, just does not cut it during a crisis.

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:30:54 AM
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just got off the phone with sony, and they said they have no idea when it'll be back up so it must depend on who you talk to.

you can't stop network attacks, but having good network security combined by closely monitiring the network limits the damage. sony draws some of my ire for looking so damn inept, and playing the silence game. they haven't been very forthcoming about this. some information, and progress reports would go a long way. i'm certainly not giving them a free pass for the length of this outage, and allowing it to happen in the first place.

again, sony was warned the worst is yet to come by these hackers. a multibillion dollar company brought to its knees for 6 days by a few hackers is ridiculous. sony shares part of the blame in my opinion.

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Clamedeus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:57:59 AM

It doesn't matter how much the company has, it still can be crippled by hackers, there is no definite way of stopping hackers especially when they are global and with numbers.

It really doesn't matter how many measures you take or even if you have a back up for the network that could easily be bypassed and crippled and i don't think Sony would want a repeat of what just happened. Patience is a virtue and we are going to have to wait until it comes back up. This isn't to be blamed on Sony, it should be redirected at the hackers NOT Sony.

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Temjin001
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:42:30 AM
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It sort of blows me away when I read about Sony being sued for this. It's basically a cyber disaster. You know ? Like the natural kind that hit Japan but only within cyber space. Are people trying to sue the businesses that were affected by Japan's recent disasters? I know Japan's situation is infinitely more serious, but I just don't think it's right to talk about lawsuits being pegged on the victims in such matters. If anyone wants blood their attention needs to be turned to the secret groups who do the attacks.

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Clamedeus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:53:16 AM

I completely agree. Day by day i am really not liking hackers and my patience with them is growing thin.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:14:34 AM

If CC info is compromised Sony could be sued, yes. I don't want that to happen but its a concern of mine.

And while I get where you're coming at, I wouldn't exactly compare the tragedy in Japan with hackers bringing down the PSN. People are going to be mad at Sony, because at the end of the day they're a corporation that sells goods and services. Right now they're falling short of some of their services and people want answers. We don't even know how badly the hackers infilitrated. And Sony appears to be unwilling to comment if CC info was breached. Whatever happened, they need to be more vocal about it and once its fixed they need to assure the consumer it won't happen again. This is alot different than local Japanese business being affected by the earthquake.

Suing them or asking for compensation after 3-4 days of no PSN is a little ridiculous, but if this goes on for too long and Sony continues to not provide answers, people WILL lose faith in them. Probably not you or I, but more casual gamers would I imagine.

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Temjin001
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:48:24 AM

Jimmy, well, when it comes to business law I'm pretty much ignorant. I think on a matter of principle, it just seems ridiculous to me for people to sue for such a thing. Sony holds that CC info with what I'm sure is some of the highest security measures a corporation could have in place.

Anyway, I don't know much about legal issues and the nitty-gritty that comes along with that. It just all seems lame to me.

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Clamedeus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:03:47 AM

It's going to take a while, they have to re-build the network and once they get everything sorted out they have to implement new security measures. So it's understandable how long it's going to take.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:21:52 AM

@ Temjin

I know what you mean. The fact that the free network is down for a long weekend shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it is to some people. If Sony let their consumers' personal infomation be compromised though, thats another issue entirely.

And I also am very ignorant about these hacking attacks, what the hackers actually do, and what Sony is doing to fix it. I guess thats why I'd like further explanation from Sony on the issue.

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CrusaderForever
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:52:12 AM
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I'm fine with this and want Sony to do it right the first time. Only have 2 Portal 2 SP trophies to go then I can start on the COOP trophies for my plat. I have so many SP games to play that PSN could be down for 3 months and I would fine with this. Just want that Portal 2 plat though :)

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:11:52 AM

maybe if sony had done it right the first time we would not be in this mess. their have been sporadic attacks all month. i'm only saying sony shares in some of the blame in their response time. i just question how secure the network was in the first place, and sony's contigency plans for dealing with attacks.

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lucaaugustus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:24:21 AM
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This totally blows for me. I was still able to log into Netflix from my PS3 on friday and then it completely froze on me. If this is Sonys way of booting out the people who still had access to their network, well shame on them. I purchased Mortal Kombat and WWE All Stars and they both had an update patch. Mortal Kombat started to freeze on me constantly only on Ladder Mode where I would have to completely turn off the system from the back. I had gotten pretty far on this game. So I tried a different game to make sure is was only that specific game. I played a couple of matches of Fifa 11 and not freezing at all. Now I'm thinking it's the MK disk not working. So gave my son his WWE game after finding clues from his easter egg hunt that revealed the game. I booted the game and there was a patch update. I'm thinking the system is back up, so I download and install. The game freezes on the Press Start screen. Had to use the consoles back switch again. Now I only get a slow moving lava lamp look alike wave from the XMB boot up screen. Nothing is happening so I decide to do a reset. Now my system turns on with no picture and my HDD light is fully light and can't do anything. Does anyone know what does this mean?

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Mr Bubbles IGR
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:38:35 AM
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well if they are re-building it, then maybe they'll change on what it looks like...but if not then thats fine...this outage is actually kinda nice though, makes me actually get out of my room and do other things other than being a button mashing zombie :)

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Dreno
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:44:19 AM
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You know, these anons really piss me off.

Saying they do what they do for the good of gamers... what a bunvh of self righteous b.s.

Heresmy advice for the obviously intelligent enough people to be able to hack sony, but stupid enough to use their intelligence in a deconstructive manor.

Use your smarts for an actually good cause. Instead of screwing over the ps community, how about you make some games or something, or team up with sony to improve something. Actually do something good. And I know anon said they didn't do this but it may have been a group of individuals within anon its self.

Seriously, the hackers could do pretty well for themselves if the just applied their smarts to a good cause. The could prolly even get jobs somewhere at sony and make it big. Hell, jobs at somewhere with anything to do with consoles or computers or anything.

Then maybe they could be a functioning member of society instead of being some douche maing claims that they are doing what the do for the good of gamers.

While I like what the "claim" they are about (the gamers) I don't at all like their approach. I don't like their hacking b.s.

... oh and just to go with my other posts about this same topic but in its other forums on this site, I'm still not bothered by the psn being down. All though I do kinda feel sorry for the people who miss their psn buddies and what not. I still don't think sony needs to compensate for the psn being down though.

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tlpn99
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 9:48:25 AM
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I have got my Xbox if I wanted to go online (not even been on it since the PSN outage) but im happy playing PS3 games offline. I can still send my mates text messages and e mails so it's not like were not communicating. Just missing shooting one another on line, it's not that bad. Gives us all a chance to complete SP stuff.

I'd rather Sony take thier time and fix it than it be back up because of a rushed job and be a dodgy network etc.

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Radiohead
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:07:18 AM
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woah, who knew a few days without PSN would make people argue like this.

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kraygen
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:26:58 AM
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So someone stops your free service and you expect them to give you something as compensation. Ok, yeah, that makes sense. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

As for plus member, I am one by the way, if we were looking to be compensated, let's look at it mathematically.

$50 for 12 months = $4.16 per month.
$4.16 = 1.04 a week.

So even if down the max time they are projecting, plus members could say they are out $1.04 which considering we'd still be getting all of our plus stuff we really haven't lost anything.

If sony wants to do anything to make up for it, give plus members an extra free avatar. Or plus members could get over it. Sounds like a plan to me.

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SirLoin of Beef
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 10:40:22 AM
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I'm a Plus subscriber and don't believe I'm entitled to anything for a week's worth of downtime. Now, if it's down for a month then I would think something might be in order though I wouldn't pitch a fit if nothing came about.

I'm of the mind, too, that Sony will probably end up doing something for its customers anyway. They're not stupid. They realize that there are many players out there that are in arms over not being able to play multiplayer games and will think of something that might satiate the user base.

Not being able to play multiplayer games can be frustrating but it certainly isn't the end of the world. Sony is working as hard as they can to get it up and running, I would imagine. Player getting bent out of shape about it isn't going to speed up the process.

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:07:10 AM
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sony is just taking an absolute battering out there period. im upset that i can't go online, but i'm even more upset about the beatdown sony's taking. i just want it to end, and i'm frusrated that i can't do anything about it.

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RadioHeader
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 12:25:51 PM

If you're talking about the internet, they've been taking a battering since M$ joined the fray. Nothing new. Don't take it so seriously.

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I007spectre
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:33:48 AM
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Yes Sony needs to PAY me, for not being able to use their FREE service. Ahh sarcasm.

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Beamboom
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:38:53 AM

"There's no such thing as a free lunch". We all pay for psn by buying the console and games.

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BIGRED15
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:49:56 AM
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well i cant say sony is to blame for lack of communication. I dont thinks its all that bad that online is down (might teach gamers a lesson ya know, remember the good ol days when evrything was SP or split screen)i dont think they deserve to be hacked again or sued for this issue. I dont even think they should be chastized for taking the network down for a week. What i do blame them for however is letting their guard down. Its obvious that these hackers shouldn't be underestimated but i think sony thought they were too big of a giant to take down when all it took was one little stone to send them reeling. They have hopefully learned a lesson about kicking the hornets nest (suing geohotz) because this group is too well connected to not anticipate at least a little backlash. sony made the right choice in filing suit because hotz should have not had a console in the first place. The terms of service is there for a reason and he exploited that most likely for selfish reasons. SONY: Even though 70 million users are waiting for you to crank this out, and most just dont understand the issue, speaking for all the true sony loyalists: get it done get it done right and thank you for making this decision. While it may be hard and business may be disasterous, the sacrifice you made shows that there is a great deal of care when it comes to your consumers and we greatly respect that. I would much rather be protected than still be able to play my games online, not knowing who is accessing personal info.

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Robochic
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:54:31 AM
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Nah I can survive. If I can survive being married having 2 children this is a walk in the park LOL.
I have plenty to do like unpack BOO to that or some single player games or some 3ds :)
Just wait once it's back on their will be some looser out there sueing Sony for the time they lost, saw it plenty of time with Xbox.

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BeezleDrop
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 11:57:53 AM
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I remember the last time this happened, but it was only a few days. Then we just typed about books and such. I really don't believe anonymous did this, but what would an 'external threat' be exactly?

Oh and believe me, as far as I'm concerned Anon is a joke, their 'protests' with store sit ins failed miserably, and someone bought a Bravia tele if I recall.

Where did all of this PS3 hacking nonsense come from? Why target the PS3 all of a sudden?

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lucaaugustus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:06:02 PM
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Comrads, can anyone help me out with this issue? It all started on Friday. I posted my events on a comment a few posts above.

The game freezes on the Press Start screen. Had to turn off the console by its back switch. Now I only get a slow moving lava lamp look alike wave from the XMB boot up screen. Nothing is happening so I decide to do a reset. Now my system turns on with no picture and my HDD light is fully light and can't do anything. Does anyone know what does this mean?

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:14:45 PM

did you try turning it off and unplugging the system? Then try restarting it?

I'm honestly not sure, but it doesn't sound good. Hopefully this ends well for you PS3.

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lucaaugustus
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:28:03 PM

I did turn it off and no luck. I will have to check if it is the HDD. If that is the case I am screwed with my game saves and recent trophies that I unlocked. I was trying to back up my games saves when this started happening and could not get it done.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:51:32 PM

Some games require PSN connectivity to run. Mostly it's because they check trophies at start-up, and you can't do the online trophy check without PSN. The game will work in standalone, but it must not try to check the online trophy information from PSN. Try unplugging your network cable and restarting your PS3. If you use wireless, simply disable the network connection in your settings and restart without it. The game should work OK, this happened the last time there was a major outage (only 2 in 4 years isn't bad going), and some games simply refused to work unless you yanked the network first.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:55:11 AM

If your screen is black, your display settings may have been reset (especially if you're using HDMI). Use the original A/V cable and you should have 480i video. If not, hold the on button during start-up until it beeps ONCE and it should reset the settings. Then, you can switch back to HDMI.

The HDD light MAY mean the PS3 is rebuilding fragmented/corrupted data.

p.s. It was a bad idea to shut off the PS3 using the switch. I don't know if you tried a forced shut down (by holding the power button) first, but if you did and it didn't work, then I guess you had no choice.

Last edited by Fane1024 on 4/26/2011 1:03:03 AM

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lucaaugustus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 8:52:54 AM

Fane, I did try the hard reset with no luck. So yesterday I decided to go for the PS3 hidden menu and it gave me a message that I had a corrupted disk. My guess due to using the rear switch. It still froze while during the restoring process at 50% and again at 75%. So I tried one last time and presto it started working again. I copied all my game saves but not the copy protected ones. I did not play any games in case if it freezes again. I will have to use the cloud for those game saves. In case it happens again I will try sdding a new HDD and hopefully that works. It seems to be an issue with the HDD since when it freezes the HDD light stays solid. I appreciate everyones advise.

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:30:30 AM

lucaaugustus

I had a 320GB Hitachi drive that had disk corruption problems. No matter how many times I sued the recovery menu to fix the drive, it would still come back and games would freeze. So I replaced the drive with a WD 500GB unit, and haven't had a single game freeze since. I took that 320GB disc, lowlevel formatted it and put it in a USB enclosure, so it still lives, just not inside a PS3 where it's flakiness can hurt my games.

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lucaaugustus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 2:35:14 PM

Highlander, which WD HDD do you recommend? I actually am looking at one by WD Scorpio Blue model but I have read that the 5400 rpm makes the console run slow with the 500 GB HDD. Is that true? Which one did you specifically buy?

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Highlander
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 3:44:45 PM

I got one of these

WD AV-25 500 GB AV SATA Hard Drive(WD5000BUDT)

It's a 5400rpm drive, but has a 32MB cache (most drives have only 8MB) so it performs very well compared to other 5400rpm drives. It's specifically designed for low power, low heat and low noise, extended life operation in a 24/7 data streaming environment. It's supposed to be more robust and better performing than the equivalent WD Scorpio drives. All I know is that I have had no trouble with it at all so far.

I know that the amount of power used and heat generated by an HDD is relatively small, but in an older 60GB unit, every little saving on both of those helps...

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Darwin1967
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:21:27 PM
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Sony announces that they still aren't sure if our CC info was compromised. How could they NOT know? I wasn't really upset about the outage until I learned this little nugget of bad news.

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:22:40 PM

Where'd you read that?

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Jawknee
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:52:40 PM

Yes, if you're going to post "panic news" please provide a link.

The only place I have read that was on PS Universe and Kotaku and both said they heard it from an anonymous source. Not very creditable if you ask me.

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Highlander
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:54:04 PM

Sony said that they are still investigating that. If Sony felt that there was a significant chance of that based on what they know already, they'd have already issued a statement advising customers of the breech. The fact that they are still investigating suggests that either there was none, or it appears to be minor at this point. Given how large the PSN and Qriocity is, they have to check all the regional commerce servers for signs of intrusion, and if there is any, they have to figure out whether any customer information was compromised. That's a lot of data on a lot of systems.

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ACE88
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 1:28:51 PM
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i hope psn comes back soon. i gotta go back to work on wendsday, i turned my ps3 on today 4/25/11 n although it still says its currently undergoing maintinence when i try to sign in i noticed that when i go to playstation home (without trying to enter) theres a new screen setup. theres like a picture of a guy bowling n a picture of a couple other games and that was not there yesterday. Yesterday if i went on the playstation home logo it was jus a blue screen so hopefully this is a sign that the network will be back up sooner rather than later

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Fane1024
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 1:07:01 AM

That was there before the lockdown.

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DjEezzy
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 2:47:46 PM
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Yeah i agree. Although it blows that the PSN is down. They don't owe us anything. The network is pretty much a luxury. Now all of you Plus members may feel a bit differently about this. I just know that no payback is necessary for a service that is already free.

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Danny007
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 3:36:29 PM
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I love Sony just as much as you guys do, but I'm being honest when I say that this is bulls***.

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Excelsior1
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 5:15:07 PM
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this is a sad time for sony and their fans. i'm noticing even diehard loyalists starting to turn against sony. we are coming up on 6 days and still know nothing. sony could use some tips on crisis management and taking control of the message instead of letting speculation run rampant.

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Lairfan
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 7:35:28 PM
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The more time its down the more I think about how I could've created multiple levels in the inFamous 2 beta by now. But whatever, as long as Sony's taking their time and adding more features to protect their consumers, I'll be just fine. Plus, there's always great games with great single players to play through, like Portal 2 for instance.

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Danny007
Monday, April 25, 2011 @ 8:24:27 PM

Maybe you already heard, but the inFamous 2 beta is being extended in time.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 2:43:31 AM
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And Sony's also going to offer an extra 3 months free to anyone buying a year of PS+..

This is once the network's back, of course.

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CanadianGuy420
Sunday, July 31, 2011 @ 9:55:37 AM
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ha looking back on this seems funny 2-5 days my ass they knew how long it would take. Fuck sony!

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