Battlefield 3 Won't Be "Dumbed Down" For Mass Appeal

"Gamers are smart people." This is why games don't need to be "dumbed down."

At least, that's what DICE executive producer Robbie Bach told OXM in a recent Q&A about Battlefield 3. Consumers have blamed many a developer for dumbing down various franchises to reach a wider audience, but Bach says this is unnecessary for their new title:

"We do not think we have to dumb Battlefield down in any way to let more players enjoy it. Gamers are smart people. Our goal is always to build a better Battlefield game by keeping what makes Battlefield great: huge and tight battles, vehicles and infantry, destruction, the possibility to use different play styles and everything else.

Battlefield 3 will definitely be the best and biggest Battlefield game we've ever built."

Bach has gone on record by saying they're aiming for the stars with the graphics in Battlefield 3; they've overhauled EA's "ANT" animation system to fit into DICE's new Frostbite 2 engine, and thus far, early footage has proven impressive. This "no dumbing down" bit is also intriguing...

Typically - and this isn't a knock against shooters - the FPS genre doesn't exactly cater to the intellectual gamer; shooters can be a ton of fun and boast good stories, but few can be considered a "thinking man's game." It's the dumbing down of RPGs that give gamers fits this generation...maybe companies like Square-Enix can listen to Bach and his "gamers are smart people" comment.

Related Game(s): Battlefield 3

Tags: battlefield 3, dice, battlefield ps3, ea

4/26/2011 9:45:44 AM Ben Dutka

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UK_MrSim_UK
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:02:22 AM
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Glad to hear this, I'm glad they're sticking to roughly the same formula I know and love.

Day 1 purchase. :D

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:03:54 AM
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I agree that games shouldn't be dumbed down, but I can't say that FPS-only players seem all that smart. Ya know what I've found in my own little anecdotal research? They won't even play a game unless the controls are the same as CoD. *eyeroll*

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:20:47 AM

ha! that is so true. when i mention kz3 to my friends i get a lot of eye rolls. some claim it sucks even though i'm sure they never tried it. the most discouraging response is when they say huh what's kz3. my answer is the best online fps i've ever played, and it's ps3 exclusive. kz3 makes cod look ancient.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:04:35 AM
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So, considering that PS3 exclusives like Resistance 3, Socom 4 and MAG for example all have had more players online, how am I supposed to take this comment?

Does this mean that BF3 on the PS3 will more then 24 players?

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rogers71
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 9:00:15 PM

Well, considering this comment has nothing to do with how many players the online mode will hold, you obviously took it way out into left field. Doesn't bode well for their 'gamers are smart people' view on things.

Start over please.

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___________
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:29:30 AM

Yes, but you do realize that neither of those have the graphics or scale of BF3 right?
Only reason MAG can have 256 players is it has crappy graphics, small maps and no jets and such like BF3 will have.

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Kiryu
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:08:54 AM
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In battlefield 3 from what i saw Graphics really matter to me and if the PS3 version is not as good as the PC version then i'm not buying.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:07:48 AM

Then you better get ready for the PC version, I'm afraid. :D

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Kiryu
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:19:53 AM

I'm afraid i don't have a powerful pc.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:30:32 AM

PC version is always better with the right rig, but that sh*ts too expensive, just get it on PS3. Graphics are important with games like this but they aren't worth a custom rig to me.

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Kiryu
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:33:49 AM

but i'm afraid to pay 60$ for a game inferior version when other people r enjoying the best version.

Last edited by Kiryu on 4/26/2011 11:34:28 AM

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LightShow
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:22:51 PM

looks like youre stuck then, eh?

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Beamboom
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 1:08:22 PM

To be perfectly honest I think you are being silly now Kir. It's two different systems, different platforms. If you can't afford one of the platforms then forget that platform. Did you get annoyed if a psp game had a better looking version on the ps2?

If you do not want anyone else in the world to experience a better version than the one you are playing, for whatever reason, then you are pretty much stuck on only playing exclusives, and then, in my humble opinion, you are missing out on a *lot*.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 8:43:39 PM

So you would deny yourself a good game, just because the graphic's aren't exactly up to PC code?

I could see it if it looks as bad as the Wii game "Marine 5: Modern Urban Combat's horrible Pre-Dreamcast dated looking graphics did.

But for Battlefield??????????

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:43:26 AM
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Nice , Zipper should learn from DICE. Socom 4 is the worst Socom ever

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:04:26 AM

I believe that title goes to Confrontation, it was a mess.

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:09:52 AM

No it goes to Socom 4 , Confrontation was and still a mess but it plays like Socom it also doeas have all the old Modes and everything.
Socom 4 has nothing to do with Socom , Cover system? No pistols? No lobbies? No party system? Unable to play with friends? Ugly camera that soom in and make u sick , Horrible hipfire ,SMG more powerfull than snipers rifles.Mic system not working well.Do you wnat me to continue the list this game has?

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:17:55 AM

Grenades fails , Only clan leaders or commanders can create clan challenges other members has to wait for them to be online in order to play togethers, if not they have to join games and wait 20 to 40 to get a spot.Camera dont switch shoulders do your left side is always a blind spot. XP for getting kills? wow it is obvious this game was made to bring other kind of gamers.Air strike? hahahaha ,Ranked respawn??? u gotta be kidding me.Plus the leader designer leaves the game guess why.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:19:19 AM

SOCOM 4 is still SOCOM, it's just different than the other entries. God forbid the developers try something new with the series but you get people like you who keep others from trying something different.

They also could add new modes with complete old school stuff from SOCOM 2 with new DLC for it.

It's still fun to play I tried the Beta out when my bro was playing it, but it will never compare to the old entries of SOCOM. Confrontation also wasn't my favorite but I played it once in awhile when I had it.

9 up, 1 down

maxpontiac
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:20:35 AM

24 players online is weak for a game of that type. I do not want Zipper to follow suit.

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Kiryu
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:24:11 AM

Then go play the first socom again.

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:31:28 AM

Yeah something new and dumbed down.New modes? the only new one is bomb tech all the other modes are from MAG , terrorist speaking english?? hahahahaha i almost forget that one.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:33:04 AM

@mid10

i have to agree with CLAMEDEUS that confrontation is worse than socom4. that game was a mess, and i did not care for it at all. i do understand what you are saying as a socom vet. you probably have different expectations than me.

i just have a hard time rating confrontation over socom 4.

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:37:18 AM

It's all good excel , i know that confrontation its gliched and has a lot of bugs but dont tell me that Socom 4 is a Socom game.The only Socom part of Socom 4 is the name on the box.
Clamedeus have FUN trying to join agame with your bro ,but please come back to the forums and tell me how long it takes you to get in the same room.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:40:55 AM

It's not going to take long, well considering the downtime of PSN it could take a while.

If you read up on things you would know that Zipper is working on the Party system they want to do it right and not rush it and screw something up.

You can get in the same game, but you might not appear on the same team.

But rest assured when it releases i will gladly tell you how i was able to join.

Last edited by Clamedeus on 4/26/2011 11:46:41 AM

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:45:55 AM

Dont you think its a little too late to add something that should already be in the game?
A game that's all about team work without a party system or lobbies its a JOKE im sorry.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:47:35 AM

How is it too late? It's called patches my friend it's a very good thing in this day and age.

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:49:43 AM

Whatever man Socom 4 is the best shooter of all times!!! its that ok with you?

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:52:12 AM

Did I ever say it was the best shooter ever or best SOCOM? No. My favorite SOCOM games are 1 and 2. So please stop trying to turn what I am saying into something that I didn't even mention.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:54:01 AM

mid10 -

It's obvious you are passionate about SOCOM. But I believe you have reached a point in which you need to move on.

Games should make someone that upset.

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:54:36 AM

U dont think Socom 4 was dumbed down in anyways from the other Socom games?

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:57:09 AM

I will Max , im moving on ,im just waiting for my first computer gamer so i can forget what they did to Socom but im not spending $60 on that crap.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:02:25 PM

I do, but I don't know if we can do something about it. But i like to believe all of us can. All we can do is try to get the developers attention to fix things in SOCOM 4, to me it resembles a bit of CoD with the Air-strike mind you it wasn't usable in the older entries like you can use it in SOCOM 4, I'm just viewing it at a different angle. I do agree with you on the Pistols and such. Secondaries should always be a Pistol in SOCOM.

I'm not trying to make fun of you or anything I am just trying to show you a different perspective on it, maybe they can change it? We don't know until we try.

I don't like to argue with people that's not how i am. But I am passionate about SOCOM and other games, I'm just trying to hope for the best of it. I'm sure you can understand where I am coming from on this. I'm a veteran of SOCOM just like you are, but i like to keep an open mind about things especially when it comes to my favorite game series.

SOCOM 1, and 2 will always be in my heart of my favorite game it was amazing back then when i first played it, there was something special about it.

7 up, 0 down

mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:07:51 PM

Great , the problem is that Zipper dont listen , they just want money thats why they make this game the way it is.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:14:24 PM

Well, I do hope something happens to make them go back to their roots of SOCOM 1, and 2.

I'm just hoping for the best even if it's far fetched, If they can fix things. And if they listened to some of the MAG users I hope they can listen to the community of SOCOM to make it a better game even though I myself wouldn't know how to go about doing that because I'm not a developer.

I hope the window is open so the crowd is loud enough so they hear it.

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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:37:23 PM

I think Zipper is a developer that cares and listen's to its community. They'll make the changes and the patches.

mid10- dunno if you heard but the PSN has been down, how could you have possibly played this game online enough to pass judgement? Or are you just going off of playing the beta?

6 up, 1 down

dkmrules
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 6:10:38 PM

LOL I think someone has buyers remorse... Learn to read reviews before buying shitty games.

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daus26
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:43:39 AM
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Oh they're talking about gameplay. At first I thought they were talking about transitions between PC to console or differences between PS3/360.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear this. When I'm sniping from far away, I don't expect to hit the target by just pinpointing with the aim at dead center.

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sa3vis
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:52:37 PM

It annoyed me when the reduced how high and how far you had to lead really long distance shots in Bad Company 2 so this gives me hope.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:44:42 AM
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I had a hard time trying to pilot the helicopters effectively in Battlefield Bad Company 2, if you could make your own lobby and train for awhile in piloting it, I don't think I would of had any problems using it online. And the fact that people steal it all the time, and destroy the helicopter that you are piloting in because they didn't get in first.

The only thing i didn't like for the private match is you need I believe an amount of 8 people to start a private match.

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mid10smaradoarg
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:03:06 AM

Noob

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:05:30 AM

Noob you say? I would like to test that theory in multiplayer.

5 up, 1 down

Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:07:32 AM

And the reason why it's so hard to pilot is because everyone hogs the helicopter and you don't get much air time. If that didn't happen I'm sure I would be a good pilot. I mostly play on the ground but I'm interested in air combat.

Last edited by Clamedeus on 4/26/2011 11:09:15 AM

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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:53:33 PM

@Clamedeus

I know what you mean, Ive been playing BF since 1942(see what I did there lol!) and once the helicopters got introduced in BF2 I had such a hard time trying to pilot them I eventually quit. I wish I hadn't though I could be a really good pilot by now, I just stick with land vehicles.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 1:03:27 PM

I hear you man it's pretty tough especially if you can't get into the helicopter without being scolded by players, and not being able to train in private to get better.

But when I'm able to play BF2 when PSN gets up I'm going to try it out and start training, I don't have a PS3 right now but I'm using my brothers when he lets me use his.

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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 1:13:38 PM

One thing I do like about playing BF on the PC is the amount of assistance I get when I don't know what I am doing. My teammates will help me instead of insult me if I am making one too many mistakes. One thing that sucks about playing BF:BC2 on my PS3 or 360 is that some players aren't that nice, instead of encouraging me to try to train with helicopters they will bash me until I get nor will they let me back in to give it another go.

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NoSmokingBandit
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:47:14 AM
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I like that they market to the smarter gamers. I guess they dont want to compete with COD after all ;)

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Culoslap
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:49:39 AM
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I'm sure Battlefield 3 will be a great game but I'm more excited about Resistance 3. I won't have the time to play both so I choose R3.

I have a question for the community. Are there any other gaming sites that aren't IGNorant and show obvious bias against the PS3? I like to check other sites but it's getting ridiculous with the amount of Sony directed hate.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:54:40 AM

the sixthaxis is a decent site. they cover all the systems. they cover the ps3 extensively, but i have noticed they will take shots at sony. they are usually pretty fair, though. it's a uk site.

as for these US sites like ign, the 360 is a lot more popular here, and i think they might be somewhat protective of the 360 becuase of that. not to mention all the money ms throws around. it should not influence them, but it might. it's also possible there are just more 360 fans over there.

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Zorigo
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:25:53 PM

I think you referencing the whole UK thing might be right, the ps3 is moreover the console of choice, obviously there are plenty of xbox gamers but the one more people talk about is the ps3. or at least thats what i hear at the parties i go to...

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Lord carlos
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 10:53:43 AM
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" It's the dumbing down of RPGs that give gamers fits this generation...maybe companies like Square-Enix can listen to Bach and his "gamers are smart people"
Read this line and at first thought whats a rocket propelled grenade got to do with square enix?
Then i thought DURR.. role playing game
Oh well it is a battlefield article !!

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PorkChopGamer
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:22:09 AM

I'd like to start a 'Six Degrees of Square/Capcom' because it seems no matter the topic, every sixth article seems to harp on the 'failings' of these companies.

Last edited by PorkChopGamer on 4/26/2011 11:23:56 AM

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Zorigo
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:23:12 PM

LOL loard carlos

and dude your right, no one will stfu about them, even when its got noooothing to do with them.

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LightShow
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:19:58 PM
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bullet drop and travel time in bc2 were an addition i was waiting for. i hope similar advances that make the player think before shooting are brought in to BF3

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Zorigo
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:22:20 PM
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I think he was talking about the 'noob playing cod' mindset of gaming. those gamers that go CODs the best, when its so basic, its pick up a gun, then pick up a slightly more powerful gun, and use it.
or cheat by abusing the perks really.
But to me thats good news, i could use a new shooting fix, not right now, too busy with exams, but later, and battlefield 3 looks sick. like seriously, the enviromental damage thing, after playing games which lack that, it makes such a difference!

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RadioHeader
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:34:05 PM
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Dear Dice,

Support PlayStation Move.

Cheers.

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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:37:35 PM
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The only smart online fps Ive ever played would be the Battlefield games. The gamers that generally play BF are pretty smart too, probably the most challenging opponents in an online fps.

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:52:12 PM

Indeed, it's too easy playing CoD, but in Battlefield Bad Company 2 I had much more challenge because people actually was thinking on how to get you even if the odds are in your favor.

Which is pretty exciting if you ask me. And thank god there is no drop shot in Battlefield.

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Axe99
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 6:56:22 PM

I've played 80-odd hours of BC2, and while it was smarter than CoD, that's hardly smart. I'd say that MAG was the 'smartest' FPS I've played (in that, to be effective you really needed to think tactically about your class, your map, your teammates, all that stuff), and SOCOM:Confrontation the smartest shooter (and I suspect SOCOM 4 classic will be right up there as well).

BC2/BF is fun and all (and it is, I really enjoy these games), but they've got a long way to go before they enter tactical-shooter land (which is where the smarter play is).

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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:37:38 PM
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The only smart online fps Ive ever played would be the Battlefield games. The gamers that generally play BF are pretty smart too, probably the most challenging opponents in an online fps.

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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:55:39 PM

Crap, sorry for the double post guys, I thought I deleted this one.

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gangan19
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 12:50:21 PM
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ahuh ok, when it comes out, lets see if you lied just now or not

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Jawknee
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 1:42:35 PM
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Well that's good news. If Battlefield 3 is at least as fun to play as Bad Company 2, I'm convinced it will be a great game regardless of what platform you play it on.

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Qubex
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 11:20:40 PM

Yhea, Battlefield 3 should be a great romp... can't wait for it...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Killa Tequilla
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 2:23:45 PM
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Is it still a D1P if I already payed for it 3 weeks ago?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 2:59:40 PM

yup

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 8:57:29 PM

Killa,
I think we should just coin a new name altogether for that....

You "PreD1P'ed it.

Last edited by BikerSaint on 4/26/2011 8:58:35 PM

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Geobaldi
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 3:05:59 PM
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Well it's good to hear that they're not dumbing it down, but I'm still not happy that they are removing the Commander feature that Battlefield 2 had.

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Excelsior1
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 3:13:24 PM
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oh no sony just put out a statement our cc details may have been compromised. go to the sixthaxis if you want to see it. what a nightmare for sony fans.

Last edited by Excelsior1 on 4/26/2011 3:17:56 PM

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Snaaaake
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 6:19:24 PM
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Yea but why consoles only have 24 multiplayer as opposed to PC's 64?

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kraygen
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 6:36:14 PM
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If only every developer had this attitude. I wouldn't like it if a salesman at the store walked up and told me I was an idiot, why should I put up with developers treating me this way.

1 up, 0 down

Alienange
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 6:53:02 PM
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LOL @ "huge and tight"

Ring-a-dinga DICE! Those two don't mix.

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Lairfan
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 7:01:14 PM

I think he means huge maps and intense (tight being a slang synonym for intense, obviously) battles. So in that context, they go together just fine.

Btw, I always enjoy how you pick apart the littlest things that devs of FPS's say about their games, and somehow make a huge deal out of it. Don't change man, don't change.

Last edited by Lairfan on 4/26/2011 7:02:27 PM

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Lairfan
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 7:00:10 PM
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Once again DICE is proving to me that they are an incredibly competent dev that gets their consumers. This just reinforces my belief that this and R3 are the only shooters worth getting in the 2nd half of this year.

I still have one question for DICE though: why only 24 players for consoles?

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Red 5
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 @ 8:28:47 PM
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Hi:
I REALLY want to believe something like this.. Resistance 2 is was just CRAP and I can say the same about Killzone 3 Multiplayer.. To ALL the Devs of ALL platforms.. listen to the CORE players not the DUMP players..
Red 5.

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blakkternalx520
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 12:50:46 AM
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even though im not a socom vet, i know when a a game is fun and im having alot of fun playing on and offline. This socom might not be for socom vets but i can surly say that its for me.

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Crabba
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 2:50:18 AM
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-> It's the dumbing down of RPGs that give gamers fits this generation..

Exactly!

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___________
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 5:11:42 AM
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I LOVE YOU DICE'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First they give us a mind blowing PC game, none of this usual port crap!
Now there not giving into the me too stitude.
It's almost too good to be true!
Dice your out to steal my heart!
Give us mirrors edge 2 and you definitely will!

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