Sony Hit With First PSN-Related Lawsuit

JMO_INDY
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:32:39 PM
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Well it was bound to happen at some point. Poor SONY, getting blamed when they are just another victim like the rest of us. I will still keep on playing my PlayStation. at least it hasn't been 13 days ;)

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tayizfire
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:58:02 AM

i hate the gaming community more and more everyday...i mean don't get me wrong i'm a gamer but ...its ppl that file these lawsuits...and people that nitpick and cry about everything ...no matter what it is...i miss the days of peaceful gaming....~hooks up nintendo 64~ lmaooooo

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manofchao5
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 11:07:47 PM

not surprised the dude overreacting is from Alabama lmao

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:33:44 PM
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I knew it was coming.

People just ruining things for other people.

Damn hackers.

It's understandable but I would wait until it is back up check everything and see if anything was wrong afterwards.

This has a massive blow on sony's reputation. Now people are going to make fun of ps3 even more then xbox 360.

This ultimately sucks.

To be honest here sony shouldn't of taken as long as they did to notify people. Now people aren't going to buy sony products since they are scared of their personal information on there will get compromised.

F*** hackers they ruined the reputation.

Also what I'm most concerned about is since the hackers got into PSN would they be able to see our email address we use to sign in and our passwords?

PLUS WHO EVER SAID THIS GUY WOULD EVER WIN HIS LAWSUIT.

Last edited by sha4dowknight05 on 4/27/2011 9:35:51 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:58:53 PM

If you used the same pass on PSN for your email password then yes they would have the ability to log into your account. Best to change it post-haste.

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:03:43 PM

Yeah, Sony messed up a little with this. They should have been more forthcoming with information. But they don't deserve to be sued for this. A determined and skilled hacker can get into just about anything, regardless of encryption or coding, and that's not Sony's fault.

In my mind, this is just another example of Americans screwing anyone they can to get ahead. "I got mine" should be our national motto.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:42:41 PM

I doubt the slew of lawsuits forthcoming will all be from Americans.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 11:18:27 PM

Yea you can't assume all or most American's find this behavior okay. I know almost no one who thinks the way to get ahead is to sue everything that moves.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:25:23 AM

Regarding passwords and such.

Your password is not stored in plain text. Until I see a direct statement from Sony that they did do that, I will simply refuse to believe any claims otherwise because it's ridiculous.

The password is stored as a hash, and you can't recover the password from the hash, you have to perform a matching attack matching newly generated hashes to determine the original password.

The security question you use if you forget your PSN password does not allow you to recover your password. Instead, the procedure resets your PSN password to a temporary one that is sent to the registered email address on your PSN account. Then you use that password to log in to PSN, and finally you change the password to what you want. The reason you can't recover the password with the correct answer to the security question is that it's not held by PSN, so it can't be 'recovered'.

That's standard network security and why there is a security question in the first place.

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:40:08 AM

@Jawknee: My comment was based on the inordinate number of frivolous lawsuits being filed every day, and should not be interpreted as an indictment of every American out there. I'm sure there are a lot of people like me and (presumably) you who think this sort of lawsuit is ridiculous. But, when I read more and more stories every day about some jackhole suing some person or company for ridiculous reasons, I can't help but be a little bitter, especially when said lawsuit concerns my favorite pastime.

However, I stand by my concluding comment. That "I Got Mine" mentality is so prevalent in our society that it borders on a lifestyle, and it bothers me. I hope Sony wipes the floor with these people.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:09:25 PM

@Aginghitster, You're right. I can't really argue with that now that I think beyond just the frivolous lawsuits like this. When I think about all the Union protests that went on in Madison because they were mad about having to start paying a percentage of their income(which is still far, far less than what private sector workers have to pay into theirs)into their own healthcare and pensions. It was utterly disgusting to see those entitlement freaks shut down the schools until, well like you say "they got theirs."

I agree, the many lawsuits that I read about every day do show a certain decay in our society along with the other garbage I read about about some entitlement freaks wanting more and more and want the state to soak "the rich" to get it. I wouldn't want our national motto to be "I got mine" but in thinking about it further, it very well could be.

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N_C
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 3:05:25 PM

@jawknee
I mean let's get real here, everyone else on this site will get banned for political rederic except for you, which is questionable at best. Let's keep this less about conservatism and more about the direct issues at hand. "How is this not about the issues at hand?" To a degree you would be right, but you know you throw in your little flair of political sentiment, give it a rest would ya? Take after highlanders lead and leave politics to a site about it or personal conversations. It is a bloody video game site after all... lol.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 5:25:27 PM

Oooor, instead of whining about my post, which was a response to Aginghipsters reply to me, that mentions nothing about "conservatism", only this entitlement mentality that afflicts today's society, which I feel, as does he, that this lawsuit is an example of as well as the whiny protesters, you mind your own business and ignore my post if you don't like them.

How about that? That for work you? Good. Now have a nice day. :)

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:31:35 PM

Oops... didn't mean to get something started there. I just get a little fired up about this lawsuit business, and now that it's back in gaming news, I'm even more bitter.

Apologies all around.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:36:07 AM

You don't need to apologize Hipster. If he didn't like my comment he should have just ignored it instead of signing up just to hassle me for stating my opinion and adding to our conversation.

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N_C
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:53:49 PM

@Jawknee
I'm having a fine day thank you. Lol, quite funny to see you getting red around the gills about this. In all honesty what I said is purely truth, you have a right to your opinion but you do have a propensity to flair in conservatism pure and simple. As for Aginghipster, nothing to appologize over, you didn't start this, I merely brought up a valid point about Jawknee's commenting history. Every time something relating to law or politics comes up there is a distinct tone and leaning towards, but not crossing the line of (USUALLY), finger pointing to one side of the aisle, if you know what I mean. More often than not though, Jawk makes good points, he just has his little moments. (-;

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rogers71
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:35:42 PM
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Yeah, you knew the sue bugs would come out. People will sue for anything. I can't understand this give me 'something for nothing' attitude of people these days.

I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of all this we come to find out the hackers are Microsoft employees.

On an unrelated note, thanks to the PSX guys for adding the Toggle Scrolling disable button. That new scroll bar was absolutely horrid. Thanks again. Back to normal. :)

Last edited by rogers71 on 4/27/2011 9:36:43 PM

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JMO_INDY
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:38:47 PM

i actually like the scroll bar :) It was a nice change from rolling that scroll wheel for ages on longer comment discussions. At least there is an option for those who don't like it. And I love the button for reloading comments. You don't think this was the BIG thing Ben was working on do you?

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FatherSun
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:43:37 PM

Corporate sabotage? M$ wouldn't stoop so low. Would they?

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JMO_INDY
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:50:52 PM

IDK... they were already pretty damn low to begin with.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:59:49 PM

Toggle scrolling doesn't do anything for me. Grrr.

And whats the point of it to begin with? It's superfluous, either way you have to scroll. This way is just more annoying

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:10:49 PM

If there was a way for MS to get away with it, I am almost certain they would. They nearly destroyed Linux with their dirty FUD tactics until they were sued and forced to stop acting like thugs.

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kraygen
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:03:48 AM

yeah toggle scrolling option does nothing for me either, except send me back to the top of the page.

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AnonWTF
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:40:28 PM

Once again I have to agree with worldsends!

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:51:25 PM
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But was money stolen?

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tornado03
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:24:50 PM

Exactly. To me what case do have? Your account was compromised, but so was millions of other people's account unless you had a substantial amount of money stolen from your credit card you don't have much of anything of a case and plus he has to prove the fraud was done through Sony. Sony's going to look in detail and say "sir your particular account was never compromised."Case dismissed! I hope your get rich quick scam fells! I mean it from the bottom of my heart;^). I mean Come on! Talk about loyalty, This is very sad.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:47:59 AM

Sony is stating categorically that there is no evidence that CC data was accessed. They are simply not ruling the possibility out - they'd be insane to rule out the possibility. The CC data was encrypted also, which compounds the difficulties for any attacker. But out of their abundance of caution and because you can never rule out the very slight possibility of something, Sony are advising people to watch their transactions just in case.

That's a far cry from CC information leaking out, you know? People keep talking about this as if there is some kind of definite confirmation of CC data being obtained, when that's not the case at all.

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packersfan66
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:08:34 AM

But the personal damages of worrying about money being stolen were worth at least 10 million! *insert eye roll*

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TheAgingHipster
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:32:55 PM

New statements issues by credit card companies said that no credit information was stolen, so we should be good.

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YashaZz
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:51:30 PM
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I hope this gets fixed, many people want their online fun back.
As for me it didn't affect me at all, as I only play single player (except for AC:B sometimes).

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:53:21 PM
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@rogers71
think of the collateral M$ would face if they did deliberately attack sony. If the FBI found M$ as the perp, $h!& would hit the fan faster than that of sony's current predicament. Microsoft would go under in every category both in stock, profit, you name it. They probably would't be able to fund their console any longer if sony filed a lawsuit on them. I think MS probably knows the consequence of that, but could you imagine?

a world with no Xbox. after that fanboyism would nearly cease to exist... what i can dream can't I?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:02:37 PM

I doubt it was anyone at MS, but if it was they would just make someone take the fall so it wouldn't look like their fault and then pay his legal bills.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:53:32 PM
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Riiiiiiiight, on what merit? No one even knows the exact or full extent of the damages. I smell trial lawyers looking to cash in. We seriously need tort reform in this nation. It's too damn easy for people to sue for any damn reason and for tort lawyers to take advantage of the justice system for their own personal gain.

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Killa Tequilla
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:00:25 PM

Why can't people understand Sony did not know exactly what the damage was until they actually did? Is it hard to understand?
No matter what, people will complain.

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:00:44 PM

Thank you. I've been saying that for years.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:09:53 PM

I don't know Killa. It's still not even clear that the info was actually stolen. Sony has said a number of times there is no evidence it was stolen but they don't want to and can't rule out the possibility and are warning people as a precaution. These people are just looking for a way to cash in on a corporations crisis. Plus California is rife with law suit and tort abuse. It's a state that is just fine with greasy tort lawyers and ambulance chasers taking advantage of the system to line their pockets and it won't change because the politicians there are beholden and wholly owned by these lawyers. They are their biggest campaign contributors after all, right after the Public employee unions.

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N_C
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:57:05 PM

@ Jawknee
Busted. Quit with the rederic will you?

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totozero18
Monday, May 02, 2011 @ 12:32:59 PM

@N_C: dude give the guy a break, come here to ban "Political talks" with a picture of Mao as avatar.

@Jawknee: Couldn't agree more with you here, people suing their way up the food chain is just disgusting, I mean this kind of people would sell organs if it didn't involve so much blood

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Lairfan
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:54:49 PM
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These hackers had better get at least a couple years in jail for all this BS they've brought upon Sony. If they get off scott free, our legal system will have failed BIG time.

Also, I really hope this guy doesn't win his case. Otherwise, millions of other "give me something for nothing" idiots will crawl out of the woodworks with class action lawsuits, and Sony's gonna be done for.

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CoolBLKguy
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:57:36 PM
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Should Sony have informed us sooner about POSSIBLE identity theft? Yes, they should have and that's their mistake and my criticism of Sony in this situation. Suing for money compensation in this situation is just typical American greed, it's not necessary. The only people who I could understand and agree with suing Sony for free credit monitoring or anything else are people who actually got affected by this and had things charged on their credit card.

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Bugzbunny109
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:58:22 PM
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I do agree with the statement saying that Sony should have taken better percussion to protect personal information. However, we have to keep in mind that nothing is full-proof. Also, was this guy's information taken and used wrongfully? Has he suffered due to the attack on Sony? I have a feeling that he has not; but he is suing Sony because his information was at risk and could have potentially have been taken and used. I do not see this as means to sue Sony. Now if the information was stolen, then I would agree with the lawsuit against Sony.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:03:57 AM

If the reason behind the suit is that the information was at risk, he might as well widen the net for defendants to include just about every Internet site, retail or otherwise.

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:59:35 PM
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You know what Jawk i think i'll sue you for saying that.... lol.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:13:36 PM

LOL!

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:00:10 PM
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@Ben Dutka: Is this the same lawsuit filed by the Rothken Law Firm? The verbage looks the same, but just thought I'd check.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 11:48:43 PM

Not sure.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:00:51 PM
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Guy in Birmingham, AL files a lawsuit blaming Sony, and today a possible F4-F5 tornado plowed through there a few hours ago.

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Roach721
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 5:17:31 AM

Instant Karma

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PorkChopGamer
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 8:32:38 AM

Leave it to Sony fanboys to insinuate this has anything to do with the terrible loss of life and devastaion in Alabama. Seriously, Sony is just a corporation. Why people are so emotionally attached is beyond my level of comprehension. Get help.

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:05:09 AM

You mean in the same way you get emotionally attached to arguments concerning Dynasty Warriors or in arguments against Microsoft?

Besides! You don't know his religious beliefs! Maybe he truly believes this is Karma! Maybe that's his way of thinking based on how he was raised and where he's from! Are you criticising him because of where he's from? Do you hate his people? YOU'RE A RACIST!

lol, but yeah...I'm kidding obviously...

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PorkChopGamer
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:29:12 AM

I don't think I've ever defended the company itself, but I have said the system is good, which it is. There's a difference between working in the realm of fact and working in the realm of shadowy conspiracies, media bias, and fantastic leaps of faith to satisfy some need to be on the 'winning side'. I mean, some of these theories are so out there I expect George Noory to give them an hour on Coast to Coast AM. Which would suck because I really enjoy that show.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:10:49 PM

"You mean in the same way you get emotionally attached to arguments concerning Dynasty Warriors or in arguments against Microsoft?"

LOL!

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dkmrules
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:01:52 PM
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Wow I'm not surprised, America has to live up to its reputation although it really sucks sony shouldn't be sued.... Also whats up with the comments? So different..

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:07:30 PM

and so bad.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:09:38 PM
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What sucks is all this will ultimately affect the bottom line at Sony, which affects gamers. I agree that Sony should have told the public earlier, but I'm not insane enough to sue them for it. Some people have too much time on their hands.

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tes37
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:09:41 PM
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While I agree that Sony should have told us sooner, my bank will protect me from unauthorized or fraudulent charges. I don't feel like Sony should be sued over this. Sony should counter-sue for court costs and lawyer fees.

Some people are always trying to get something for nothing. This guy should be permanently banned from psn.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:05:47 AM

Sony could not tell anyone anything until they had information to give. Personally, the fact that the network was hacked at a high level was sufficient for me to consider taking some steps, but in the absence of evidence of a CC data breach, I'm not going to go through the rigmarole or canceling my card unless something odd comes up on it.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:33:21 AM

Yea how do you expect Sony to tell the consumers something when they don't know the extent? It would be far worse practice for them to raise false alarms with out knowing tue details. The fact that their was a breach, as highlander mentioned, should have raised flags for all us consumers. Everyone is so stuck on what they told us yesterday apparently they forgot Sony told us over the weekend to watch our accounts as well, not in those words exactly though. The warning was their people just fail to realize these types of things.

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tes37
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:24:20 AM

Bigrailer don't tell me what to expect when it comes to MY MONEY.

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:10:30 AM

What you should expet, is that Credit Cards are neither necessary to own and that they are a risk. Simply owning a credit card carries risk.

Anyone who has a credit card that doesn't have it's own insurance against this type of incident is their own worst enemy. Every major credit card company insures you as long as you vigilant about checking your accounts.

I check mine 3-4 times a week. If something odd happens, I assure you I will spot it, and I assure you it will not harm me in the long run. It's pretty simple. Whenever I hear of people getting permanently screwed because of a stolen credit card, it clearly means they took FAR FAR FAR too long to realize it. And to me, it's their own damn fault for not protecting themselves.

For once, I wish people knew how to take responsibility for their own well being. No one is entitled to anything. Plain and simple.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:47:36 AM

Don't remember telling you what to expect! I re read my comment a few times now and I just don't see it... What I did do was ask you a question which you didn't answer but flipped it, trying to make it seem like I was attacking you. It was a question and I'm in the same position you are. But I've taken all the steps to protect myself instead of waist that time blaming Sony and it took all but 10 min. I hope you have done the same as well as everyone else because we are all victims here. I'd still like an answer if you'd be inclined to give one...

Sorry you felt like I was attacking you or something...

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tes37
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 5:15:08 AM

What I am to expect is implied in your question. You're basically saying I shouldn't expect them to notify me any sooner than they did. If you hack Sony's psn, you're after one of two things. No rocket science here. You're trying to steal from Sony or the customer, it's that simple. That's the only reason I think an immediate notification of the breach was in order.

I was away from the house all day thursday, which is why I have a late response.

Last edited by tes37 on 4/29/2011 5:19:13 AM

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Dreno
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:20:43 PM
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I read about this earlier on g4. This could be a bad blow to sony. But of course ill continue playing my ps3.

Still no email for me from sony. So ill just keep checkin my stuff.

I really hope sony can bounce back from this fast. Hell, at all. This is a pretty big blow.

Oh on a side note, also read that microsoft sent out phishing scam alerts, and that late last night all of the banned players got unbanned for a few hours and then were banned again. So maybe microsoft really is next. ( I think I read on a topic here someone said something about that )

But yeah, I hope the best for sony.

And the only way I could possibly agree with thise guy whom filied the suit, is if his personal info was one of the millions that got breached and his identity got stolen, and if this "unknown intruder", or whoever they could have sold the info too, used his credit and f**ked it up. I could understand that.

I mean id theft is a b*itch from what. I've come to understand.

But I this guy wasn't affected than he's a grade a c*ck roofer.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:24:43 PM

There's no questions if it's bad for SONY, of course it is. This is reputation developed over years of product selling dumped down the drain and clogged. By all means you can still savour some of the flavour but some of it is never coming back.

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main_event05
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 11:02:48 PM

I got an email from sony. but it was pretty much just saying i should change my passwords and gave me info on how to flag my accounts.

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:16:41 AM

You can't really steal an ID with just a credit card and address info. You pretty much need a Social Security Number (For US folks) or Social Insurance Number (For Canadian folks) or whatever government id program your respective country uses. So if you somehow provided a scam email with your number... then you need to contact whatever state or provincial office deals with registration of those numbers.

But if you didn't provide a scammer personally with your info, then just track your CC statements... online if you can. Your credit card company will have insurance against fraudulent activity. So if you're responsible, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

I know I'm not worried.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:21:41 PM
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Something could be easily said about SONY and it is truth be told that:

"SONY YOU OFFER THE GREATEST HARDWARE AND PRODUCTS OF THE HOME CONSOLE BY FAR TO ME, BUT YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE LACKS OF YOUR COMPETITORS."

That statement above is nothing but the truth and for Xbox 360:

"COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF STATEMENT ABOVE."

Last edited by sha4dowknight05 on 4/27/2011 10:23:18 PM

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:26:36 PM
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Am i the only one who thinks its hysterical that the first person to sue sony is from the deep south? idunno, seemed funny to me.
no offense to any alabama natives. I just find this sort of ironic i guess.

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:31:33 PM

hahah crazy red necks!

lmao jk.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:35:31 PM

He's probably an ex-Californian who moved to the deep south to get away from the high taxation and cost of living in California. ;)

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BTNwarrior
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:36:27 PM

the guys is probably stealing his wifi from the trailer next door anyway

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:46:02 PM

LOL!

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:29:09 PM
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@Dreno
lol c**k roofer. thats awesome. havent heard that one b4

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Dreno
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:35:27 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I support sony. I was just saying.

Wanted to clear that up.

But I think I read that sony has sent out emails to psn account holders that have been hit with this, like the ones who got effected.

Could you imagine how much money that could be? Just imagine if even only like 35%of the 70 or 80mil+ psn users got their ids stolen and at the very least. Lost like 2g's to id theft and whoever has their info making purchases and using their credit, how much money that would be.

Effing crazy.

But, like someone said in their comment above, sony said their was no proof that any accounts got comprimised and no proof that personal info did either. But I dunno. Until the emails start rolling in, its all just speculation I guess.

God I hope sony recovers from this.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:38:27 PM
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I don't see all these other major hacks getting hit with lawsuits, Epsilon, T.J Max, Amazon, & so on.

Matter of fact the POS hackers/scammers are even hitting Xbox Live, with a plishing scam.....

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Phishing Attempts Prompt Warning
Posted April 27, 2011 by M.H. Williams

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-phishing-attempts-prompt-warning/

While it’s not as bad as Sony’s recent trials and tribulations, Microsoft has released a service alert for Xbox Live, cautioning Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 players about a wave of phishing attempts.

"Users may receive potential phishing attempts via title specific messaging while playing Modern Warfare 2.
We are aware of the problem and are working to resolve the issue. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your patience,” says the alert.

The alert is for Xbox Live matchmaking only, so it seems users in-game are attempting to scam others in order to gain personal information.

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BIGRED15
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:41:58 PM
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http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Sony-PlayStation-Network-Breach-10-Things-to-Know-about-Online-Security-732169/1/

heres a link i think we can all learn from; might cause a more proactive consumer base if everyone who is bashing sony would just read this.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:45:29 PM
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An interesting article.....

PlayStation Network Down: Brand Tarnished, But Sony Can Bounce Back

PlayStation Network, and indeed the PlayStation name, may have been irreparably harmed from the events of the last week... if Sony doesn't act to quickly counter the wave of negativity and stem the tide.

The bad news is that the PSN disaster has already hit the mainstream – my father, a man in his 70s knows about this “PlayStation problem” and he doesn't even use the internet. The reports are spreading, there's talk of class-action lawsuits, and many gamers are simply fed up.

That's the bad news. But here's the good news:

The full story here:

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/playstation-network-down-brand-tarnished-but-sony-can-bounce-back/

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:14:25 AM

If Sony can actually confirm that no CC data was obtained and show that it was strongly encrypted in any case, that will be a good positive point to hang their hat on. They can also lean on the fact that they have been under persistent attack by multiple groups for some time now, and essentially point out that they are the victim here, not the perpetrator.

Still, the positive elements will have t outweigh the victim-hood and any other discussions. But they can bounce back.

That said, the news media in particular has done SOny a great disservice with several days of stories claiming that Sony essentially left their network open and the CC data unprotected. very few average gamers aware of the PSN issue believe that Sony did anything to protect their data. A huge amount of the blame for that has to go to the bloggers pretending to be journalists who have written scare stories for a few days now.

What is it with the news media today? No longer to they work from facts and use analysis, no longer do they shun speculation and spin. No, now the focus appears to be on wild speculation, emotional language and spin/bias. Fact and analysis take a decidedly secondary position.

Personally, I find this phenomenon very troubling and very dangerous.

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BikerSaint
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 10:52:10 PM
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Another interesting article....

'Steal everything' era of hacking

The devastating attack on the PlayStation Network (PSN) is yet another illustration of how technology-savvy criminals are determined to get their hands on our personal information.

Read the whole story here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13213632

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LittleBigMidget
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 11:09:05 PM
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Saw it coming.

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Qubex
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 11:15:22 PM

Same here! There seems to be quite a bit of Sony hate around these days.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Jawknee
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 11:19:40 PM

The hate has been around since they announced the price of the PS3 in 2006. It's just at it's peak now.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:17:46 AM

The hate was always there as Jawknee says, it's a particularly American (with able support from the special ally across the Atlantic...) thing too. It had faded when PS3 was beginning to do really well. Odd that this hack and the whole anonymous thing comes along just when PS3 overtook Xbox360 globally eh? Very convenient timing for a certain company. Not that I would allege any involvement from them, although some of their more rabid fanboys might have decided to try driving some trouble for Sony through the slightly anarchic hacking scene...

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kraygen
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:00:44 AM
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It was going to happen, there are just too many people out there looking to get rich for no reason at all.

How many of these people that pop up with lawsuits will be the big question.

Hopefully sony wins, because it's pretty easy to go to your bank, cancel your card, and have any fraudulent charges removed.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:53:11 AM

The card data is/was encrypted, there's no evidence it was taken, and the verification code is not stored within PSN. None of these lawsuits have any merit at this time.

Quoted from Sony's latest information update (Q&A) :

"Q: Was my personal data encrypted?
A: All of the data was protected, and access was restricted both physically and through the perimeter and security of the network. The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack.

Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained. Keep in mind, however that your credit card security code (sometimes called a CVC or CSC number) has not been obtained because we never requested it from anyone who has joined the PlayStation Network or Qriocity, and is therefore not stored anywhere in our system.

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kraygen
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 3:18:28 AM

Sounds good to me highlander, just more reason to believe it's dumb for people to be sue over this.

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Roach721
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 5:26:33 AM

Unless your credit gets effected in any way I think that and any charges accured are fine reasons to sue but only to have them fix those problems instead of you doing it NOT FOR MONEY. but if not then your just taking advantage

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:58:35 AM
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this seems like a very intreguing article

http://gameolosophy.com/games/sports/total-club-manager/revealed-what-is-really-happening-with-the-playstation-network/

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:09:37 AM

Some random guy on a forum claims some stuff and we're supposed to take it as gospel?

Sorry, not biting.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:28:55 AM
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GOOD!
That Sony stored millions of passwords and password recovery questions unencrypted is a blunder on such a magnitude that they *deserve* to get a lawsuit for it, no less. This has nothing to do with filing lawsuits for "anything" or being opportunists. This has to do with basic responsibility of the ones we choose to trust.

It's not like we can review the security measures prior to trusting them. Sony and most others use secrecy around their system as a security tool itself. But it was not the cracking of their OS that left passwords unencrypted.

We should not just accept anything. We put our trust in them, they have *not* been trustworthy. Quite the opposite, they have been so sloppy that it's scary. *That's* why PSN is down for at least two weeks now.
Don't accept this, be glad that some bothers to do a follow up. If they got away with this it would set precedence for others to follow.
This has nothing with being "with or against" Sony or gamers or whatever. This has to do with responsibility and trust. We *have* to demand a basic level of security on our online services, there are no alternative.

We will all continue to play our games and have fun with our console in a weeks time. Me included. And we will keep buying stuff as nothing has happened. But I for one am glad that some bothers doing what the rest of us don't.

... And I can't turn off the scroll frame either. Firefox 3.6.16.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:43:30 AM

So for four years they've been good to us... Now the hackers get in and your mad at Sony? Kinda makes me wonder If this guy wasn't suing if you would... I don't get people... Sorry no disrespect but all your hatred should lie with the loser douches that actually did the criminal act of intentionally getting into the server and stealing the info. But who am I to say I'm just another victim same as you!

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:43:31 AM

Double post my bad. Apparently my wifi is running slow.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:03:39 AM

I'm not mad. I am disappointed, if anything. But most of all I'm a bit upset that most of you seem to be unable to see what's happened here. And with the danger of sounding very elitish now, but encrypting passwords is *so* basic that it's default in *any* piece of software. ANY! It really is as obvious as locking the door if you leave home. You don't question it, you just do it.
Encryption software is not cheap, it's FREE. It do not demand much system resources either. There simply are no excuses.

Edit: And the disabling of the inline frame *is* working now. Thanks alot!

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:58:15 AM

Then they should sue Amazon, MasterCard, Visa, Paypal and on and on. Seriously Beamboom, this lawsuit is frivolous and you know it.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 3:15:12 AM

No way. By not encrypting obvious data they've acted irresponsible. That should be blatantly obvious.

Since when did Paypal store their passwords unencrypted? Or Visa? Or Amazon? And how many serious attempts do you think there has been to hack them? A hundred? Thousand?

Many of you say that Sony is not to blame for this, and that it's all those bloody hackers fault. Again: Nonsense. Sony HAS a responsibility as keepers of our credentials.

Let me use other "monopoly networks" as example: The mmorpgs. That's one exclusive network all clients connect to, just like psn.
For the hosts of mmo games the battle against hackers is continous. There is an entire business going on selling ingame money for real life money. And those companies (!) hunt and use mmo exploits to get a lot of cash fast.
Add to this mixture the many "hackers" who get their accounts banned for these kind of reasons, and you got a scenery that can only be described as a war.

The hosts of the mmo's are able to cope with this!
And now you are telling me that it's not Sony to blame that one single hacker, although skillful, were able to knock down the entire giant for *two weeks*, and getting exposed to their entire collection of usernames and passwords along the way?
Sorry guys, I don't buy that. This must have been one giant wakeup call for Sony, and rightfully so.

** You do not store usernames and passwords unencrypted.**

Furthermore, while I'm venting I have to get this off my chest: I would not be shocked if the *only* reason why the credit card numbers were encrypted is cause they used 3rd party software for that. I would not be surprised at all.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 4:21:13 AM

Those of you who thumb me down here, please post your opinions as well. What do you disagree with? And why? I look forward to reading them with an open mind.

Do you think that this is all ok, and next time you register somewhere and your account gets hacked it's fair game, noone is to blame but the one who hacked, regardless?

If your car gets stolen cause your lock was broken, is that ok too? Noone to blame but the thief?

What if your flat gets robbed cause the house keeper gave the keys to someone he did not know, do you still put all the blame on the thief?

Where do you draw the line of responsibility?
We are all entitled to an opinion and yours is as good as mine, I just am really curious as to understand your way of thinking, cause with all due respect but I really don't get it!

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BlueJelloXIII
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:16:12 AM

Beamboom, I feel you do bring up some interesting points. I would like to call on one that you made though. You stated if your car got broken into because the lock was broken it's the owners fault. You'd be correct. But that is not a proper correlation to this scenario. If you want to use a car scenario then say if your car was broken into but you didn't have a Lojack and alarm system in place it's your fault. Which I actually do not agree with. Sony's system was not broken it was just not as complete as you may desire. The fact they keep the credit card info and your user info separate shows that they tried in someway to make it more protected.
For the record too, I did not thumbs down you. I saw this specific point and felt it was a bit off. Thanks though for expressing your thoughts on the situation.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:29:46 AM

Thank you, Blue!
I expressed my car example wrongly - I blame it on english not being my native language ;).
I meant broken as in the manufacturer delivered a car with a faulty/weak lock. In this case I do not blame the owner, but the manufacturer as well as the thief for my car being stolen.

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:11:35 AM

I just thumbed you down because I feel you're wrong. It's hard to even argue when your reasoning on the issue seems to be missing the mark on the important facts, in my opinion. I initially felt it far easier just to click "disagree" than write why. It's the only point I felt worth making. Your facts aren't quite straight either.

And here's why: You act as if Sony's system isn't as secure as other online networks. But that's not true. Sony's PSN went over 4 years without a breach... that's probably a record for online networks. XBL was broken down in just over a year, for a comparison.

Amazon, eBay, Paypal, the freaking US and Canadian governments.... they've all been broken into with information compromised.

Why is this even a surprise to you? If you get CC info stolen and used, and you cannot reverse the damages, then you've not done due diligence to monitor your funds. I check my banking info 3-4 times a week. If something happens, I will know, and it will be fixed quickly with no consequences.

The only thing worth being mad about is the fact that PSN has been down and that the hackers are to blame. This issue is a very overglorified issue fueled by individuals with omnipotent senses of entitlement.

That's how I feel on the isse. No offense intended. I did, afterall, initially want to just leave it at a thumbs down. :)

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:12:03 AM

You CANNOT protect a network 100% securely! That's my argument right there! It trumps everything which you Stand on! No matter what encrypted or not there will always be a way in and someone will always get there! Your mad at Sony but look at all the other agencies and corporations that Underdog has pointed out that have also been hacked! Your not mad at them! Maybe someone should sue them! Oh wait you didn't have some sort of account with them, or your info wasn't obtained by those hacks, so those don't count! Sorry to say they do count, they are relevant, other people were affected and you can't just dismiss those hacks because YOUR info was obtained on the hack against Sony!

All I'm getting from you and your posts is attempts at proving a point by using other analogies or metaphors, rather than come up with good hard facts about hoe this is Sony's actual fault. I ask you explain to me how they are supposed to stop this from happening unless they know who Is doing it and where from the moment it happens!?!?

It's hard to argue with you cus I'm a victim as well. But I feel more strongly about the hackers. Sony protected us for four years, I disnt expect this to happen but it did. I can't come up with any reason how this is Sony's fault. All I can come up with is why a hacker would even do this, and hopefully they are scared as he'll right now! I truly hope they can't sleep at night and are just sitting waiting for that door bell to ring! They are the people who broke in ILLEGALLY and took your info, Sony didn't hand it out, they certainly dont want thisfor their consumers!

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:13:12 AM

@underdog: A post explaining a disagreement is far less offensive than a thumb down, imo. A thumb down can mean anything. A rational argued disagreement is only that. At least that's how I read those thumbs.

Back to subject: That it took 4 years is quite impressive. That they had left passwords and user names unencrypted is *not*. And this is the core point I am trying to make here. That's simply something you do not do! No matter how hard it is to get that far, once you are past those protective shields - and you should *never* assume that is impossible - important info should still be encrypted.

That's why credit card numbers were encrypted. So why was not passwords encrypted? Explain why I should not care about these facts, or why they are wrong, and I may agree with you.
Until then I stand by my claim that Sony *is* to blame for the severity of this breach, based on the fact that they have a responsibility here.

@bigrailer: I do not dismiss those other hacks. Why do you claim I do so? But they do not make Sony look better or worse.
And you are onto something in your introduction. Never ever assume that something is 100% safe.
So again, the good hard facts why Sony is to blame is this: They left your username and password unencrypted. There. That's it, the good, hard facts. You apparently think that's alright. I do not.
And so this case stands :)
Peace

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:31:09 AM

I do not think it's ok. But if the hackers were after that information there was a way to get it regardless.

I can't blame Sony for the wrong acts of the douche bags of America, or our world rather!

Again I hate arguing with a fellow victim, we all obviously are affected one way or another, so if you wanna discuss this further that's fine, but at this point we've both made our points! And I feel for the points you made, I really do, but I can't agree with all of them.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:34:14 AM

I don't necessarily agree with beamboom's points about Sony being sloppy, but there is a certain level of trust and responsibility that huge corporations have when they store their customer's information in their database. We honestly don't know how "safe" or how "sloppy" Sony has been with our information, so I see no need to say either. We can speculate, and get either mad at Sony for not having a secure enough network it, or we could defend Sony to the death; but what's the point when we honestly don't know? Beamboom isn't any more "wrong" than you are, Underdog. Stating that XBL was hacked doesn't mean anything, necessarily. We don't know how secure Sony's network was or how skilled these hackers were.

I'll wait for some more facts, and see how these lawsuits play out before I pass any judgement. Right now I know that my information was probably compromised and I've been keeping an eye on my online banking.

For those saying that these lawsuits are "st00pid" or whatever else, keep in mind that these laws are put in place to protect the consumer from corporations mishandling your personal information. When a corporation gets sued, the actual employees working there are at no risk of losing of any of their own money/assets/etc. Its a business entity. I don't know why Sony is treated like its a living breathing person that is best friends with you. I'll never understand the obsession of siding with a corporation despite them "being good to you".

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:38:37 AM

I dunno man... hind sight is a beautiful thing, being 20/20 and all. I just think it's silly to place blame on Sony. They had many levels of encryption before getting to the silly little string that is your password.

Once you get burned, it's easy to know how to do better. The fact they got as far as they did tells me it doesn't matter whether they encrypted it or not.

At the end of the day, any blame placed on anyone other than the criminal (because Sony DID do all they should be expected to do) is misguided blame.

Heck, with a window's based account, your password can get hacked by a simple keylogger. No matter what the encryption is. The fact that keylogging on the PS3 is impossible due to software being unable to run now without the right metldr key, means there was likely NO reason to encript the password, and certainly not the user name.

I mean really.... the fact that you couldn't even look at a password without hacking through many many levels of encryption already in place without the ability to get a keylogger onto PS3's means it's likely a moot step to take.

@Jimmy
I would only agree with you if it concerned enough info for identity theft, like the mishandling of SSN's or SIN's (depending on country you're from). As is, nothing was taken that could jeapordize anyone.

If someone took my CC number from a business they broke into, I am capable of ensuring my butt is covered on my own. Only a complete moron would completely trust a corporation to protect it and never check their statements due to assumed good practice.

I don't take those chances... and as a result... I don't get screwed over. So yes... these lawsuits are st00pid. Nothing valuable was even taken, let alone something you aren't capable of dealing with on an individual basis.

Lawsuits should ONLY take place if you incurred losses you cannot recover. Anything else is a puffed up sense of entitlement and get rich quick scheme.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:04:08 PM

@jimmyhandsome: I do not have words to describe the relief I feel to see others that at least think along the same major direction as I. This has indeed to do with major corporations responsibility towards a *huge* customer base.

@Underdog: I do respect you and your opinions, but please, with all due respect I think you should look at this from a wider perspective than just hands-on losses counted in cash. It has the very least to do with that, actually. Cause it seems so far noone has lost anything. But it also seems like it was a damn close shave, and that some of the reasons for this are Sony to blame.
I would of course never blame Sony for the attack itself. But just as major banks and other corporations has layers upon layers of security measurements installed to minimize the damage once they *do* get attacked, in my opinion Sony did *not* have adequate level of security on their stored data.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:08:12 PM

@ Underdog,

Your SSN may not have been compromised but your email/password/billing address/username has. I dunno about you, but I use the same password for nearly everything, so this was kinda a big deal for me. I had to go in and change my password for a slew of important and personal things that include my banks, my 401k investments, my emails, and my credit reports account. If someone had access to all of those things of mine, it'd be quite easy to get my SSN, and *poof* quite easy for Identity Theft. The amount of information of mine, and others, that was compromised is a bigger deal that some would like to think. And the amount of PSN users is just staggering (and I know that they all don't have CC info and this other info, etc) and is why this is making all kinds of news.

The reason why this person from California is suing (well part of the reason) is because Sony did not immediately notify its customers that their was a breach as deep as it was. Thats another argument in of itself. Who knows if Sony is telling the truth? Obviously its in their best interest to say "we don't know" but I'm not so easily persuaded. And why didn't this "team of experts" already work for Sony? No one they currently had employed could figure out how bad the breach was?

There are way more questions than answers at this point.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:47:40 PM

I'll let you do the talking from here on Jimmy, cause you're far better at this than I am. :D
And you bring new points and perspectives I did not think of.

What Jimmy said. :)

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:16:48 PM

Haha, well I appreciate the compliment. Although I don't think I'm that good. BTW, beamboom, you said english wasn't your first language- what is?

I like to take a more objective approach at viewing this whole situation, and not immediately assume Sony is not to blame at all just cause I own PS3.

I agree with you Underdog, that yes, you are a moron if you don't take the necessary steps to watch your banking, change your passwords, etc. But don't down play the situation here. Did you get Sony's email? 80% of it was steps that you, the consumer, should take to prevent identity theft by contacting the credit reporting agencies. And most of this is just damage control for them. I'm sure there *are* people out there that are unaware of the situation or too lazy/stupid to keep on eye on their personal info. If something happens to them, then THAT'S when things will be ugly.

I just don't fully understand why the overwhelmingly popular opinion around here is to defend Sony (the corporation) at all costs. They're a publically traded company , not your BFF. From a PR standpoint they royally effed this up. I'm not spewing hate on Sony either, I'll continue to support them because I love their games and their hardware is top of the line. Sony, like any other publically traded company cares more about the bottom line and shareholder's interests than anything. And not surprisingly if you look at their stock, the day they announced that PSN users' info was compromised it fell $2.00 (did they wait to announce it because it was a new week?). Beamboom has every right to question if they possibly cut corners with their security (possibly to save costs?). I am just thinking about it from a different perspective than most, I guess.

I know that this is a Playstation fansite. And I'm a Playstation fan. I love the system, and the exclusives can't be beat. However, I feel like Sony botched how they handled this. And I'm not blaming Sony for it happening (again, no one really knows how good or bad of security they had on their network), that would be the hackers (criminals) that broke in. But that doesn't mean Sony just gets off scott free because I like their videogames and can't wait for Uncharted 3. And I said this when it first happened, that a company/corporation should be measured on how they handle themselves when times are BAD. Up until last week we couldn't stop hearing about all of the good they were doing- how they past Xbox 360 globally in sales, how they have over 77 million PSN users, and how they have a rock-solid exclusive line up for this year. Maybe this situation will humble Sony a bit. Hopefully they can learn from it.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:26:34 PM

I'm norwegian. Way up in a northern corner of Europe.

And I'm a Sony fan too - as a matter of fact my admiration go way beyond just their console. I've got a Sony Bravia TV, Sony surround audio equipment, Sony Ericsson mobile phone and of course a PSP. I dig their hardware.

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:14:04 PM

I'm not defending Sony. I just don't see a reason to blame them still. A PayPal hack, for example, would be far more detrimental to me since it actually houses my account numbers.

But despite the fact I use my CC number on PSN, in every other possible way from my password to even my email address used, there is no connection possible.

The email I use on this site, for example, is the same email I use for PSN. But it's completely different from the email registered to all my banking info. Also, my banking passwords are entirely numerical and have absolutely no personal meaning to me. It's just a collection of random numbers I memorized. My PSN and hotmail passwords, on the other hand, are strings with a mix of letters numbers and special symbols that have more personal meaning.

So for me, there's zero risk.

I guess I'm just far too assuming that others would think the same way as me. My uncle works in networking security and has been contracted out to lottery companies, police, you name it... and the stories he's told me have probably influenced my preventative measures the most.

Of course, I also have identity insurance. (It's really cheap where I'm from) Just pay through my bank. If there's a change in things like where my SIN number is living or working, or if any of my financials make movements in areas or on products that don't match my usual habits, it's stopped and I'm called. So that's nice too.

Anyways, my point is that as long as people like you, Jimmy, who take those responsible measures to protect themselves, there's nothing to worry about. You had to take those preventative measures because of some hackers. It sucked, I'm sure, but it was nothing more than an annoyance and inconvenience at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, I blame myself for giving my information to a company without reading all the terms and without investigating their security measures. I know what my bank and credit card company does to ensure my security... why didn't I think to ask Sony?

I'm just not the type of person to deflect blame away from myself when there legitimately is more I could have done, and I don't believe in placing blame on anyone except the perp.

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jimmyhandsome
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:39:03 PM

Thats a great mentality to have, Underdog. And smart man by having a different email adress for your gaming habits. Unfortunately I used my "main" email when I signed up for PSN because I wanted to make sure that I would receive emails about when funds were added to my account (so I know that it was infact me). Ironically that almost ended up screwing me haha.

And unfortunately you are too assuming in thinking that the people that are capable of creating a PSN account would also be smart enough to take the preemptive measures that you have in securing your own information.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 3:12:53 PM

I sincerely hope this world never become a place where each are on their own and corporates are free to do whatever they want to without risk or responsibility.

I also hope the Internet never will become a lawless place where no one should be trusted, or no transaction can be safe.

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Dreno
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:33:27 AM
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@theaginghipster

Yes, this is the same law suit filed by the rothkin firm. Just checked g4 to clarify.

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daizycutter
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 4:25:01 AM
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Personally i thought the writing was on the wall when geohot hacked the system some time ago! this fella who is launching the lawsuit is right sony should have moved more quickly and now it has to man up to the situation ..its now probable that all my card details and personal info are in the hands of thieves!! who have the hackers truly attacked in this case are they making a statement to sony or just wanting account details???..the hackers have ruined it for everyone who uses the PSN, all they have truly at exceeded at is making the internet a tighter controlled place! my concern now is whats stopping it from happening again??

my message to the hackers is couldnt you have found a different way at getting at sony without punishing 70 million people?

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:49:06 AM

There aren't even 70 million PS3's.

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BlueJelloXIII
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:04:21 AM
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Can I just thank pretty much all of you and this website for one moment? Thank you. Like pretty much all of us this topic has been on mind for awhile. I find the lawsuit to be sickening and the fact that most of the gaming public is blaming Sony for being hacked. Many of you have stated my belief, that if a hacker wants to break into something, it's just a matter of time. There have been credit card companies hacked, companies like department stores and grocery stores. I personally have had my credit card cancelled on me twice in recent years because my bank detected it had been used somewhere security had been breached. No money from me personally was stolen, just as a precaution. My point is this can really happen to any company. Yet most of the gaming public is up in arms against Sony. Threatening to trade their PS3's in for 3DS's or 360's or whatever. IGN even has a page that says if the PSN or XBOX live networks are up or down. And you go to the XBOX one and (I feel) they are taking deliberate shots at PS3 players in a very mocking way. These people are so caught up in their immediate gratification that they are acting like babies. Sure go trade your PS3 in for a 360. Get a nice defective piece of hardware (not so much anymore but it doesn't have a very good track record) and pay $50 for stuff Sony's been giving you for free for years. Yeah they have cross-game chat, but they charge you for Netflix usage, facebook integration and ONLINE PLAY! I just have lost a lot of faith in the gaming community lately. Then this morning I came home to this site and was immediately where I needed to be. A bunch of cool headed people having intellectual discussions about this subject without acting like children and throwing tantrums. So thank you to all of you here and who run the site for being a place of comfort in such a frustrating situation. Take care.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:40:08 AM

Welcome home. This *is* a good place to be.

I'd like to use this opportunity to give credit to Ben who's actively hunting down trolls and flamebaiters and kick them where it hurts.
We may not always agree on various topics (errah - we usually do not :D ) but his job on keeping this place clean is admirable. This site would *not* have been the same without those efforts.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 8:49:44 AM

Very well said Blue, I agree with you. I don't visit IGN or any other site, if I do it's for the lulz but nothing more.

And by the way nice avatar! I likely.

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___________
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:20:43 AM
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and it wont be the last!
hopefully this will wake $ony up and get them to encrypt our personal info!
if a employee at a bank did what sony did they would of been fired so fast their head would create its own gravitational field!
im sorry but $ony allowed 77 million peoples info leak to whoever wants it!
so they deserve what ever the hell they get!
its like the bank leaving your money in a vault, but oops we forgot to lock it last night.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 6:36:40 AM

"they would of been fired so fast their head would create its own gravitational field"
Quote of the month. Period.

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Underdog15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:21:42 AM

nice post.

Except for the part where you said they didn't encrypt anything. That simply isn't true.

Also, this type of thing wouldn't be the fault of a single employee.

Oh yeah, and there aren't even 77 million PS3's, let alone 77 million users all with unique credit card info stored on PSN. I betcha there aren't even half of that number in CC numbers. Guaranteed.

And it's not really like an unlocked vault... more like a broken into vault. Bank robberies have happened in the past, too, you know. Despite locked doors.

And bank network securities have been breached in the past...

You are probably right about one thing, though... "they deserve what ever the hell they get!" You're right. I'm sure the lawsuit won't stand.

But even your correct statement wasn't what you intended to say anyways...

So wait.. yeah... I guess it's not a good post afterall.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 2:15:33 PM

I've noticed these anti-Sony people are just repeating the lie over and over and over. If you repeat a lie enough, people are bound to start believing it, no?

By the way Cowpatty, I thought you "hated" Sony. Shouldn't you be selling all your Sony hardware and deactivating your PSX account?

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___________
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:05:39 AM

since when does hating a company mean you cant use there products?
In that case i guess i better get rid of my laptop because i hate M$, get rid of my iphone and ipad because i hate apple, better get rid of my car because its french and i hate the frogs..........

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Nickjcal
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 7:17:50 AM
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I agree with the guy above. The gaming community has really become an aggrivated crowd. It's almost as the systems are races because if you say something about an Xbox someones gonna go flip out on you. Same with the PS3. Or say a game is better on a system. It's really annoying that you can just have a pleasant conversation about a game anymore. Sigh.

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Beamboom
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 7:38:43 AM

I think you can, around here... Not that there are no fanboys here, cause there are, but they usually behave pretty well. :)

(heck, I'm a fanboy myself, to anything *non*platform dependent. It's in my blood, part of my Linux heritage :) )

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Excelsior1
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 8:33:51 AM
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you know what i asked sony about this hacking nonsense earlier this month when i was having trouble getting psn to accept my cc details and they told me it was absolutely safe and not to worry. obviously this was not the case.

what's even more disturbing is additional personel details that were taken. in the age of identity theft network security is serious business. they are going to pay a price for this.

i don't think their network was very secure nor do i think they watched it closely enough. i agree with a lot of what BEAMBOX says, as well.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:16:05 AM

Your bank would tell you the same thing. Its one of thosethings where it's safe until it's obtained. Sucks but it's true!

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Fane1024
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 4:26:19 AM

Excelsior,

You don't *think* that the system was secure, but that's not based on any *facts*. The fact that it got hacked in no way proves that security was lax, merely that the hackers found a way to defeat it.

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Miggy
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 8:52:24 AM
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The Rothken Law Firm filed a class action lawsuit in California as well. They're claiming that they're doing it "behalf of the consumers" though. I call bs. The whole sue happy, "I'm entitled to things I do not deserve" mentality now a days needs to take the path of the dinosaurs.

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Clamedeus
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:11:49 AM

I don't believe what any lawyer says, they are only doing it for themselves because there is potentially a lot of money involved.

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main_event05
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:19:56 AM
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I'm aiming this one at Highlander.

1st question is can the PSN be accessed through the regular internet? the way I see it is if could be maybe this hacking would have happened a long time ago.

2nd question (and not so much for Highlander) is if I am right and the only way in is through a hacked PS3, that should not only void this guys claim but it also pretty much makes Sony's case against Geohot.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:46:29 AM

You can enter PSN via the web, it's Internet based after all. Qriocity is web based, and IIRC there was a PC based PSN store as well, you sign in to PSN on both of those. So it's possible that the attackers attacked in the normal, mundane web based manner. That said, that type of attack has been available as long as Sony's websites used your PSN ID and as long as the PC accessible PlayStation store has existed.

The possibility of an attack based on hacked PS3s is very strong since a hacked PS3 on PSN represents a client that has already got past most of the perimeter checks on the security - it's relatively trusted. So a PS3 running custom firmware, the Rebug CFW for example, could have been used for some or all of the hack. The Rebug firmware makes a regular retail PS3 look like a debug unit like the ones used by Devs and journalists to access the Dev PSN. If an attacker used a hacked PS3 that way, once they were within the Dev PSN and had compromised one or more Admin accounts (which has been suggested in multiple reports) hackers would effectively be on the inside of Sony's network making attacking the customer facing PSN servers much easier.

Personally, I think that they used a combination of hacked PS3s gaining access to the Dev PSN, compromised Admin accounts on the Dev PSN and PCs with more conventional hacking tools were then used to push the attack further into the customer facing PSN servers. they could just as well have used the PS3s running CFW for that too. It's all a guess at this point.

But in any secure network, the weakest point is the network client. If you can compromise the network client you get access to the network. A PS3 running custom firmware that is capable of accessing PSN (even just the Dev PSN) is a compromised client. That is - in my opinion - the weakest point in the security, and the most likely point of attack.

The whole thing about Rebug CFW is that it was apparently being used to gain access to free DLC and PS Plus subcriptions via the DevPSN and fake or stolen card numbers. If that's the case, then it's only a slight jump from that to a full blown attack on PSN using the intelligence gathered by running the fake transactions.

This is why Sony could never back down against those hacking the firmware or producing custom firmware. Hacked PS3s and custom firmware have always represented the greatest security threat to PSN. People who say that they are harmless and it's all about Homebrew are either naive or lying.

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main_event05
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:15:03 AM

thanks for clearing that up for me.

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I007spectre
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:04:24 AM
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Waaaaa, baby want his bottle. No matter how good security is their will always be someone who can break into it.

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Mornelithe
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:45:57 AM
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Anyone see that Tornado that smashed Alabama to dust last night? I'm betting it's karma.

Also, the SCOTUS just imposed limits on Class Action lawsuits as well, so this may not hurt Sony that badly. I hope it doesn't, myself. As much as it _does_ suck, you cannot protect a network indefinitely, it will undoubtedly always have means of external intrusion.

Sony just doesn't really do allot of network infrastructure, most of their bread and butter is media and entertainment. This should actually be good for them, and only make PSN more robust.

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parasitic
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:30:26 PM
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I don't understand why Sony should pay up a compensation. His credit card details may not even have been stolen, it's one of the things Sony actually encrypted and therefore can't officialy say they have been stolen, but can only warn us to monitor our accounts.
Maybe if he actually was a victim of fraud then file a case, but not now when he is relatively unharmed.
Yes his psn password and account may be known to hackers, but the password will be changed once psn is back up, so there's no real harm...
People just whine too much these days...

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parasitic
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 12:30:28 PM
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I don't understand why Sony should pay up a compensation. His credit card details may not even have been stolen, it's one of the things Sony actually encrypted and therefore can't officialy say they have been stolen, but can only warn us to monitor our accounts.
Maybe if he actually was a victim of fraud then file a case, but not now when he is relatively unharmed.
Yes his psn password and account may be known to hackers, but the password will be changed once psn is back up, so there's no real harm...
People just whine too much these days...

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Robochic
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 1:17:53 PM
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saw this coming a mile away, Now a days you can sue for about anything what a waste of time.

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phade2blaq
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 5:54:48 PM
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Sony is a victim but so are the PSN users whose data may have been compromised ! ID theft is a serious offense and for someone who has been a victim, it's not easy fighting what thieves have done to your name and your credit reputation !

A relative of mine was a victim of ID theft and it was a nightmare for them to undo the damage that had been done because credit reporting bureau's simply are reluctant to remove any damaging data just because you say you were a victim of ID theft !

ID theft can not only affect one's credit but it could cause conflicts when applying for employment among other things !

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Fane1024
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 4:32:50 AM

True, but they aren't victims of Sony.

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SethB
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 10:52:57 AM
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Here's an idea, how about a class action suit against GeoHot and the other guys who started all of this to begin with?

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Saber1989
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 11:32:19 AM
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"monetary compensation" just for him?!! That's stupid, it should be compensation for all of us, like a free PSN game, or free PSN credits.
If this guy keeps the money I am gonna sue him to distribute it evenly to all gamers!

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duzahn
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 7:29:07 PM
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i think that sony did everything right. i'm not at all displeased with how things are being handled. they took a little while letting people know about the breach probably because they didn't have all the information they needed to tell people about what had happened. lets say that they told everyone about the problem as soon as it happened without knowing the details. . . . . .the first words to be spoken as a response would be " what do you mean, a breach?" " should i be worried?" " what the hell are you gonna do to fix this?" "how did this happen?" mass hysteria. i'd rather have bad news late with a full explanation of whats wrong followed with progress reports instead of having jerk off say," hey man, everythings f#%@!d up around here and i don't know what's going on or how to fix it, soooooo, i'll let you know something when i do, kay :)" but then again that's just me

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duzahn
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 7:32:53 PM
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as for that greedy sob. . . . .get a job! that's how you get money you douche bag.

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MarkyMark3
Monday, May 02, 2011 @ 8:12:49 AM
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guarantee that it was this guy who hacked the network, now thats a possibility.

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MarkyMark3
Monday, May 02, 2011 @ 8:16:01 AM

it is possible because the hack was made yet,

no money was taken form the credit card companies,

this guy wants money some how, so he'll hit up a lawsuit probably for some crazy 6 figure amount since identity compromisation is a very serious matter, especially when it occurs after no disclaimer had been made by sony stating that your information is safe and encrypted.

Im not against sony, im against this guy in alabama putting up the lawsuit.

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mark3086
Monday, May 02, 2011 @ 11:38:12 AM
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I wanna know who the deuchbag that sued sony is? i mean what right does he have to sue sony on behalf of all users. I am assuming that he wont be the one recieving the money. Why should one person recieve money for something that happened globally. I am not sure if im right maybe im not maybe this is a case on behalf of the people but i say stuff happens, i dont believe sony let us (the users) down, yes it took them a while to realise but its not like this was expected.

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