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Credit Card Companies: No Evidence Of Stolen PSN Data

After a week of terrible news, there appears to be one bright spot for Sony.

According to a Bloomberg report, several credit card companies (MasterCard, American Express, and Wells Fargo) have seen "no unauthorized activity relating to Sony." Maybe this isn't surprising, though, as Sony just recently said that all PSN credit card information was encrypted at the time of the security breach. They also maintain there's no evidence that critical personal data had been stolen.

But when you're a big boss in a corporation that's under the microscope, everyone is going to analyze how you handle things. And such is the case with Sony's Kaz Hirai, who has been a big proponent of the PSN and intends to let the Network stretch to other electronic devices, like HDTVs and Blu-Ray players. If he can deal with this new problem, perhaps he'll succeed Sony Corp. CEO Sir Howard Stringer, who offered the following statement:

"This is an opportunity for the board to watch Hirai-san and judge his performance."

Good luck, Kaz.

Tags: psn, psn outage, playstation network, sony

4/28/2011 8:42:35 PM John Shepard

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Comments (165 posts)

Zemus101
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:35:49 PM
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Yes, good luck indeed. I really hope we can bounce back from this. I've always been a Playstation supporter, for more than 15 years now, and right now I'm a little more hush hush than I usually am about playing on PSN and PS3. No matter where you post or who you talk to, everyone seems to know about this crazyness :P

Or at least... they like to 'think' they know what's going on.

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Killa Tequilla
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:37:18 PM
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People are just complaing for no reason. It's clear that the worst case scenario here is PSN shut down for 8 days now.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:46:26 PM

Well, not for no reason. The bombardment of the "sky is falling" headlines from the so called "gaming journalists" didn't exactly help keep PSN users calm. They ripped Sony to shreds without knowing the full extent of what happened. It was a disgusting display of journalistic bias and malpractice in my opinion. I have never seen so many decietful headlines in such a short spam of time.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:46:33 PM

What do you mean people are complaining for now reason? I was robbed of $100 on my credit card thanks to this whole PSN fiasco.

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MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:55:56 PM

LittleBigMidget, are you then disputing this articles claims? Explain what happened?

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:08:24 PM

Yea, I think your missing $100 is most likely a coincidence. There was another huge data breach not that long ago that affected several companies that store sensitive data. I can't remember the company that was attacked but BikerSaint linked to it multiple times in other articles.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:10:12 PM

Sony says you weren't Mr. Midget. Soooo.... maybe you should check out that grizzled cashier who looked at your credit card number a tad longer than he should have.

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shadowscorpio
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:17:28 PM

@ jawknee

People have been looking for any reason to criticize Sony this entire game gen so far. Why doesn't this sort of thing surprise me?

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jaybiv
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:08:44 AM

I hope Sony learned and their Japanese compatriots get it through their thick skulls that the hush hush approach to handling a scandal is not a good strategy. I love Sony products, but they knew the extent of the intrusion way sooner than what they want us to believe. No one can get into sensitive data areas undetected. There is always a footprint.

Several years ago Bridgestone tried to put the blame on their faulty tires on the Ford Explorer. Just a couple of years ago, the U.S. Government had to nearly break Toyota's arm to issue a recall.

American companies aren't saints when it comes to this either, but they know they have to come forward quicker.

I do hope Sony can rebound from this and keep their momentum going.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:41:48 AM

@jaybiv

They were anything but "hush hush". And with this news, it's clear they told us more than they needed to.

Additionally, if you want to talk "malpractice", you should probably know that when the authorities are involved in a legal investigation, it's "malpractice" to tell everyone what they've discovered before the case is closed.

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:23:12 AM

So, Jaybiv, have you always been this nice about the Japanese? I mean characterizing them as having thick skulls, xenophobe much?

As for there being a footprint and Sony knowing the extent of the intrusion. Perhaps you don't know the implications of Admin accounts being compromised? They can turn off helpful things like logging and audit trails, and can delete files that otherwise might indicate what they've been doing. In fact, in many cases, if an intruder gets in and back out again, the only sign of the intrusion is when the data turns up later for sale somewhere else. Ah, but then that's one of those inconvenient facts that destroys your point.

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:33:22 PM

Jawknee

<<<< short spam of time>>>>

That play on words was pure poetic genius!

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:41:40 PM

Jawknee & LittleBigMidget

That would be the "Epsilon" breach in March.

They do all the marketing & communications work for most of the major company's & retailers.

Both, both Abe Books in the UK, & Verizon here both wound up sending me warning alert emails to keep an eye on any & all of my accounts because of the Epsilon hacking breach.

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:56:56 PM

jayvid

<<<<American companies aren't saints when it comes to this either, but they know they have to come forward quicker.>>>>

Hey, stop using my name in vain.....


"OR I'M SUING!!!!

LMAO

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:35:33 PM

FYI, the PSN breach is actually just "small potatoes" as far a breaches go.

They hackers in the "Epsilon breach", were able to harvest "40 billion emails", & that was only done only a couple weeks earlier that the PSN was.


Here's the full story by SecurityWeek on Epsilon's breach

http://www.securityweek.com/massive-breach-epsilon-compromises-customer-lists-major-brands

So if you have accounts with any of the companies I'm listing down below, then you very well should be looking into Epsilon's breach first, before even considering that anything may have been done in the PSN breach.

Here's all the retailers who's email accounts were hacked into in the Epsilon breach(And watch for any plishing/spoof emails that they may also disguise as a real email from one of these affected companies too).........

Kroger

TiVo

US Bank

JPMorgan Chase

Capital One

Citi

Home Shopping Network (HSN)

Ameriprise Financial

LL Bean Visa Card

Lacoste

AbeBooks

Hilton Honors Program

Dillons

Fred Meyer

Beachbody (Makers of TRX)

TD Ameritrade (and bank)

Ethan Allen

Eileen Fisher

MoneyGram

TIAA-CREF

Verizon

Marks & Spencer (UK)

City Market

Smith Brands


McKinsey & Company

Ritz-Carlton Rewards

Marriott Rewards

New York & Company

Brookstone

Walgreens

The College Board

Disney Destinations

Best Buy

Robert Half

Target

QFC

bebe Stores

Ralphs

• Fry's

1-800-Flowers

Red Roof Inn

King Soopers

Air Miles

Eddie Bauer

Scottrade

Dell Australia

Jay C

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:24:29 PM

I can't help but wonder whether Epsilon is going to be drug before Congress to explain themselves?

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sohio
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:42:59 PM
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@Killa,
Yep, the sooner they get PSN back up, the sooner this all goes away. While everyone has their hand out, wanting something for free because they think they "deserve" it, what would be a BIG boost for Sony is if they got the network up and running before the target date of May 4th. Like this weekend sometime. Wishful thinking, but I'd rather have it this weekend than a free $10 game that I'd probably never play anyway.

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Kiryu
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:43:24 PM
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All these gaming websites getting upset over some comment that"the credit card info MIGHT be stolen".These websites will do anything to bash Sony!

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 4:30:49 AM

...And they'll continue to do so. The only way the hate would stop is if Sony lost huge swathes of cash, or went completely under.

I prefer this outcome - Sony keeps their studios, the bullshit artists in the media keep hating but we keep IGNoring them.

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:50:14 AM

@RadioHeader

Ha, I see what you did thar. ;)

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BikerSaint
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:53:34 PM

Well, most of those sites cater to mindless sheeple.

So if I were to go there & post this....

"It's widely rumored that everyone here will be sh*tting out a 10,000 pound unicorn next Monday, at noon....


There would be a massive stampede by millions of lemmings, all hastily flooding their local home improvement stores in search of a new industrial sized crapper.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:53:33 PM
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This only fuels my suspicion that Anonymous is responsible for this. Their main goal was to hurt Sony and people are either forgetting or ignoring that they promised a "huge" attack against Sony just before all this happened. What better way to do it than hurt the public's trust in Sony's ability to protect our most person information.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:55:02 PM
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Anon isn't behind this. If they were, they would have admitted it already. Anon has no problem taking credit for big things like this.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:10:55 PM

Yea sure, hacking into a network like the PSN and compromising millions of peoples most personal data is a federal offense. I'm sure they would admit to it. All criminals admit they committed crimes. They couldn't have done it because....well they said so.

Don't be so naive.

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johnld
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:43:14 PM

hahaha, if they did commit this then admitting it is a stupid move. they will be admitting to this criminal activity that the FBI is already involved in. not to mention those guys who were arrested already.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:43:50 AM

Woh, wait, guys were arrested already??

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:54:01 AM

@Underdog15

Indeed, I believe there was 5 caught, but I think I heard more people got caught as well I'm not sure of the number if I remember correctly it was 15.

But I don't know if it's true they caught 15 people or not. If anyone knows just let us know if they came across something saying they caught more people.


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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:34:35 AM

Woh, cool! If anyone has a news link, I'd love to check it out.

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Simcoe
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:01:02 AM

When criminals do get away with stuff (especially the immature ones), they do like to talk and share in their "victory". I do remember Anonymous stating that their initial attack was only the beginning and they had more planned. I could very well understand that a professional criminal hacker, seeing an opportunity, would use the distraction or guise of Anonymous along with the materials that that George Hotz published, to pull off this heist.

Also, I'm sure Sony, their investigators and law enforcement will be looking to see if there was a rash of PSN profile alterations or removal of credit card numbers on file prior to the "network intrusion". Anonymous members will have PSN accounts too, I'm sure they wouldn't want there information compromised.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:41:43 AM

The arrests that were made in the UK took place before this PSN incident. They were arrested for their attacks on Paypal, MasterCard and Amazon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12299137

There has also been 40 arrest warrants issued here in the US. So the FBI is already looking for the goons.

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 9:57:08 PM
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I see I'm not alone in regards to Jawknee's criticism of "gaming journalists". These "journalists" are a joke. None of them probably went to school and were hired because they begged somebody to read their blogs or something.

Or in the case of Kat Bailey, because she's a woman and randy teenage males just love sucking up to women.

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Jed
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:17:43 AM

Oh you're definitely not alone. I'd say at least 80% of this sites members are with you on that matter, myself included.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:00:14 PM
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@MyWorstNightmar
I guess I am. I called my CC company and checked my bank statements, only to find out that I had numerous charges that I didn't make.

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FatherSun
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:40:27 PM

That is quite a contrast from what Sony is stating at this time. It also moves in the opposite direction of what credit card companies are reporting so far.

That would not only mean that Sony has misinformed its customers but the credit card companies have as well.

Or, you are mistaken.

To be honest I think there are ways to defeat any security and remain completely untraced or frame a specific entity. So, in a case like this no one could ever truly know. But that's just me.

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kraygen
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 5:25:58 PM

Check the dates of all the illegal purchases, might be your card just happen to get the info stolen around the time of this psn thing.

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:03:52 PM
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@zemus101
Same here, i've supported sony long before console wars or xbots or anything.

10 years i have been playing playstation and im not about to just turn the other cheek because a bunch of people are chastizing sony and sony is getting sued. Unlike those who just complain and criticized on the matter, I took all precautions to make sure I enhanced my own security after this because really, its all you can do. We can set an example to those who feel entitled or are reactive rather than proactive. That, to me is what differentiates the people on this blog versus those you see venting about it in another. We as a community have analyzed the problem, and understand that sony as well as any other corporation can be made vulnerable to cyber-terrorism.
The only worry I have left concerning this is how sony is gonna bounce back. They have projected 24 billion dollars in losses (which is highly innacurate mind you) but i know the ammount sony is gonna pay for this is gonna hurt em, and i think its gonna hurt us as a gaming community. I just pray that sony wont go under because of this incident. That would be worst case scenario, and im pretty fearful of this.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:05:10 PM

Console wars have always existed, they are just bigger now because of the internet.

Edit: lol sorry I had to choose that one statement out of your entire comment. I have a problem correcting people even when its such a small thing

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Dancemachine55
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:02:57 AM

10 years? Really? That's long, but not long enough for people my age or older.

I've been playing Playstation for 14 years now.

PS1 in 1997. Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid.
PS2 in 2003. Shadow of the Colossus and GTA San Andreas.
PS3 in 2008. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Uncharted 2.
Wii and 360 in 2009. Gears of War 2 and Super Mario Galaxy 2.

And once again, my friends were sucked in by the 360 craze of 2007, forcing my hand to join them online 2 years later. When you have 1 friend on PSN and 12 friends on Live, can you blame me?

Anyways, off track, sorry.

Knowing Kaz (which I hardly do except for news articles and E3 presentations) I reckon he will do a great job. He helped build SCE from a mega giant into an appealing megagiant. Let's not forget the early days of PS3, what a struggle. And now here they are, Kaz helping them become the biggest and most relevant video game company, and entertainment technology company in the world.

After constantly checking my Credit card, still nothing. Here's hoping it remains safe. (Knock on wood)

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thj_1980
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:11:47 PM
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WE WILL ALL SEE BY NEXT TUESDAY.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:21:08 AM

I'll c u next tuesday!

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FatherSun
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:16:25 PM
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Ultimately if handled correctly this event may strengthen the PlayStation brand. If Sony can somehow demonstrate to the public that it has acted in the best interests of its consumers at every turn and make it completely evident it could set the stage for them to make a tremendous comeback.

All eyes are on them at this moment. It is the best time to initiate a new level of communication between a business and its customers. Both of which were victims of a growing threat in this age of information. With all of the new ventures like Qriocity Music, Video on Demand, PlayStation Suite, Phone, tablets, the NGP, the inevitable PS4 and beyond it MUST advance its strategy in the market. And if they can gain the confidence and support of consumers and the media it can become more innovative than ever.

Now that would be quite a campaign. A business, its consumers and the media working together for one common cause. To monitor and exchange information for the benefits of all. Oh how I would love to assist Sony with an endeavor such as that. Maybe I should give Kaz a call.

It a sensitive time. Make no mistake. The world is changing before our very eyes. Now is the time to make moves people. The times they are a changin'.


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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:22:38 PM

I hope you're right. They don't deserve this, we don't deserve this. They have done so much fore gaming and gamers and have got nothing but flack since the start of this generation then a bunch of basement dwellers come along and pull this crap.

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FatherSun
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:51:59 PM

It's a HEX I tell Ya!

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jaybiv
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:29:50 AM

I agree Sony can come out of this stronger than before. To get there, they will have to eat a spoonful of Western P.R. 101. Their arrogance and lack of awareness to the severity of the issue has put Sony in a HUGE hole.

Now, that they've fessed up, they can still right the ship. BUT they will need to react as if this incident was as serious as the recent earthquakes/tsunamis that hit the area.

Give us the plan for how our information will be protected. It doesn't have to be at a micro level so as to tip off future would-be hackers, but enough general information so the average person would understand what's going on. Try to find a respected non-profit customer privacy/security organization to audit processes and/or work with them to develop best practices for the industry.

The heat Sony is getting right now is justified. I would like to see Sony turn this into something positive that will lead to improved security of our information no matter who stores it.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:17:07 PM
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Well Jawknee you have your theories and I have mine. I still think it was someone else. I saw a group of some Anon guys in Vendetta masks at the mall today, wish I had some tomatoes with me....

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:19:01 PM

Your girl didn't have a can of pepper spray with her?

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:23:08 PM

You should have just snatched the mask of his face and stomped on it. :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:18:33 PM
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Dayum! They just put the pressure on Kaz big time. He can handle it though, keep a stiff upper lip Kaz.

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The Iron Jedi
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:18:49 PM
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Sony won't go under, it just won't happen. They like Nintendo are a part of the world we live in today. Look at what happened with GM and Ford in the US, they filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy (GM), and they kept going.

This will hurt Sony, it will, but for MasterCard and American Express to say they haven't found any proof of fraud, this is good news.

I was worried at the beginning, I admit that, but after reading and listening to assurances from other users on PSXExtreme, and reading Sony's blog updates, I feel much more at ease.

In fact it even made me decide to trade in my XBOX today, I thought I'm going to help support Sony through this, and not support MS anymore. Nintendo and Sony have given us the greatest games I think I have played.

I've been playing games for over 20 years now (Super Mario Bros 3, World, Super Mario Kart, Galaxy, Link to the Past, Uncharted 1 and 2, GTA, of course this is Rockstar, but you get the idea), and we need to stick with Sony and Nintendo and say to Hackers, No, we won't go quietly, we are here for the long haul.

So to anyone who thinks XBOX Live is safe, think again, and to all these XBOX fan boys (yes, I was one) don't laugh too quickly, after all, everyone has the right to enjoy and pick what they choose to play. I don't like Halo much, but don't pick on Uncharted when you haven't played it.



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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:21:46 PM

Welcome to the right side of The Force.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:23:13 PM

Well of course Sony won't go under, but they will lose customers. Saw quite a few people trading in their PS3s for 360s just because of this breach.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:24:09 PM

Yea of course they won't go under. They are every where. They could lose a ton of money and even worst their good reputation but you're right. They won't go under.

@LittleBigMidget, Like World said before, those people never deserved a PS3 in the first place. ;)

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johnld
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:47:21 PM

doesnt seem to hurt microsoft, they released a crap hardware and people still buy it. sony is known for their quality hardware. if anything, people will just be more cautious of what their doing. That and a more mature network experience. Win for us.

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FatherSun
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:24:11 PM

Speaking of Microsoft. I find it funny that they are supposedly experiencing some sort of limited breach of information or security and now we see some headlines stating that Security is their top priority. Opportunists?

Negative or not. Sony is in the light. Whether it is lime or lemon depends on how they handle this situation. So far they have demonstrated quite a resolve. I appreciate it. They have my full support.

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SayWord
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:10:23 AM

The day sony goes under is the day I quit gaming. You all are a witness to that statement ; ) it probably would be really hard to quit though haha

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Dancemachine55
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:16:38 AM

When is Kevin Butler gonna give his statement?

I personally want to hear what HE has to say on the matter.

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The Iron Jedi
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:50:42 AM

Well guys and I went and traded my XBOX in about 5 or so hours ago (being Friday night here), and it felt really good.

I ended up buying a Wii and New Super Mario Bros and Donkey Kong Country Returns. Love the old school style!

Hope everyone has a great weekend, and that PSN comes back up. If anyone would like to add me my PSN is: The_Iron_Jedi

:)

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:04:55 AM

You should of waited for the new Wii console to be released.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:43:58 AM

Donkey Kong is great. Good ol'fashioned fun.

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:22:52 PM
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@littlebigmidget
no worries man. To me console wars back then didn't matter. I wasn't really connected to the industry's activity as much 10 years ago. 1st console i myself ever owned was ps1 and my gaming consisted of jet moto spyro and a little N64 mario kart at a friends house, so yea console wars were didn't exist as much as they do today.
BTW you mentioned that you lost 100 dollars? do you have online banking because if you did, you could probably pinpoint the location of the purchase. Whenever i purchase anything off psn, it specifically associates the purchase with PLAYSTATION NETWORK. Not saying that your 100 dollars isn't sony's fault, but you could weed out any anomaly with online banking to make sure it was indeed a psn purchase. thus you would have proof, then you could be compensated appropriately if nec.

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:26:49 PM

The console war back then was more friendly, because people didn't get so upset over someone else having a different preferences. Arguing PS1 vs N64 and Sonic vs Mario with my friends back then was pretty fun lol

And yah, I lost $100, my CC company handled it though, cancelled the card and got a new. I'll forget about all of this by the time InFamous 2 comes out anyway.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:29:51 AM

When MS entered the console war, they turned it from a friendly scuffle of preference to all out war of dominance.

I really really wish all my friends didn't support that horrible, talentless money hungry company who think they're the best because they've sold more consoles in the US alone. Their studios are responsible for 2 big franchises and that's it. Forza and Fable.

I've always wished Halo had remained a MAC game. That one purchase from MS has made Xbox what it is today.

Sadly, I must admit, Xbot hate for anything Ninty or Sony related has even started to rub off on us Playstation gamers. It's true. Xbot hatred is spreading like a virus, so now PS3 fans are resorting to hate and stupid comments to fight back.

IGN is a great example. They made a 360 article about how Live is still running and everyone is having fun on MK and Portal 2. The comments section exploded with hateful comments towards IGN, which they then quickly tried to defend by saying it was a joke article. Somehow I doubt this. IGN has always come across as a 360 bias video game site. They've even got their own channel and strategy channel on Live!!!

Gamespot is my go to source next to PSXextreme now. It has a lot on Australian gaming news and is very unbias in its articles. PC is just as popular as all consoles and all articles serve a purpose of reflecting social or psychological issues between the general population and video games.

So yeah. Highly recommend Gamespot for anyone looking to add a bookmark next to PSXextreme. Unless Some people have seen terrible articles on Gamespot that I have not.

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PorkChopGamer
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 6:14:53 AM

Wait, didn't Ben advise people to play Alan Wake and say that Xbox Live was ok in his 'Five Games to Play While PSN Is Down'!? Oh no! 'They' have gotten to him, as well!!!! Is that Materia Primoris I hear?

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:59:36 AM

Nothing wrong with XBOX, and if you have lots of disposable income lying around, nothing wrong with XBL, either. Personally, although I no longer own an XBOX, I still enjoy playing Halo Reach over system link with a group of friends. I also got to play a lil' Alan Wake, and I enjoyed that too. I used to love the Fable Series, and I still do like 1 and 2. (3 was a very big 'meh' for me) (Also, Gears is REALLY not something I'm into. It's a preference thing.)

I also like a lot of games on the Wii! And if I feel like blowing some extra cash, I'll probably get a DS someday.

However, when I look at games like God of War 3 (which I don't like due to preference, but still, it's pretty sick), Uncharted 2, Infamous, Little Big Planet, MLB The Show, and the list goes on, it's blatently obvious to me that Sony is the superior next gen console maker. DS has some sweet games, but the PSP is far higher quality there too. It sounds like NGP is gonna rock 3DS in the quality realm too.

I guess what I'm saying is, every single system has a fun experience attached with it. But when it comes to quality, high end gaming, no one can touch Sony and their exclusives. Halo is sweet... I enjoy Alan Wake... but two titles isn't enough for me to buy a system. I have 35 PS3 games in my collection, and I thoroughly enjoyed every single one. 3 quarters of them are considered either AAA-exclusives or AAA-multiplats.

I -COMPLETELY- understand how someone could love a 360 game or games from any other system. I do. But I have no clue why anyone would prefer a 360 over a PS3. The only excuse is that they are ignorant to what the PS3 can offer. It's the only excuse I can think of, and it's the only thing that makes sense with the 360 fans I know in real life.

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:01:49 AM

@underdog,

I prefer the 360 due to the fact that a majority of my friends have one as well so it's easier for me to play online games with them. This doesn't mean I think the 360 is a better machine or has better games. To think that would be quite silly in my opinion.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:28:54 AM

Whatever system you prefer is fine. Both has their strengths and their weaknesses. You're pretty lame if you resort to insulting people who prefer something that you don't. I think you learn not to do that in kindergarten.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:47:49 AM

I didn't insult anyone. I said they were ignorant to what the PS3 is capable of. That's not the same as saying they are an ignoramous or nincumpoop like kindergarteners resort to.

ignorant: 1) Lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned
2) lacking in knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact;
3) Uninformed; unaware

I merely said that people who think the 360 is a superior machine are unaware of what the PS3 is capable of. And then I followed that up by supporting that is exactly the case with the friends I have in real life who prefer the 360.

In the meantime, you were the only one retorting with insults regarding my psychological level of moral intuition. Rather ad homonum, don't you think? I don't think you've assessed my comment very accurately.

On a much more fair responsive point, please try to assess my attempts at insult a little better in the future. If I mean to insult someone, I'm usually very deliberate about it.

Perhaps you are just not used to more archaic language? You also missed the parts where I mentioned that I fully understand why people would love certain games on other consoles. What was unfair about my comments? I'm certainly entitled to my opinions, and they aren't misguided, either.

And based on what you just said in this comment you've made Jimmy about insulting people you disagree with, I'm not so sure they teach that in any grade level, let alone kindergarten. Many people are hypocritical, but rarely is the hypocritical comment the conrete evidence of the hypocricy. Glaring.

@SirLoin

If your only reason for prefering 360 is because everyone else is doing it, then I merely deflect my comments to your friends. And despite me respecting your reason, I can't help but notice you're just the trickle-down effect of what I'm talking about. It does little to prove me wrong. I simply think in your case, the larger picture needs to be looked at. I rarely think of things as so 2-dimensional.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:09:31 AM

Holy cow, dude. Take it ease. I wasn't directing my comment toward you. At all.

I made a very broad comment in response to Dancemachine's comments about "console wars" and "fanboys". There was no hidden meaning behind my comment. And I wasn't calling anyone out.

You're so tense today. Do you need a backrub/happy ending?


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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:16:20 AM

I am sick, actually, with congestion and a headache and a cough... and I couldn't stay home because other staff is on vacation and I had to open the centre... and my muscles ache... I'm probably pretty grumpy.

Yeah, I'll take that backrub. If you know a Chiropractor, I could probably use a good back-cracking too. Also, advil and a glass of milk.

(No offense to tylenol fanboys)

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:27:35 AM

Advil>Tylenol. If you like Tylenol you're probably an idiot.

Haha sorry to hear that though. Hopefully you feel better, I'm not diggin the grumpy Underdog

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:39:21 AM

I bought my 360 at launch (still works like a champ, too. A rarity, I know.. I've been lucky) and my PS3 a month or so after its launch. My friends either bought their 360 did so when the PS3 was still pretty expensive or have parents who aren't keen on buying their kids 2 consoles (my nephew and a few of his friends on are on my friends list) so it's not like everyone who prefers the 360 is due to them being stupid to what the PS3 can do.

If my preferring the 360 because I'd rather play online games with people I know garners me the dreaded "thumbs down" from people here then I'm OK with that. Doesn't mean I or others who prefer one console over another is ignorant.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:19:52 PM

Milk just causes more congestion when you're sick. In does for me anyway. :)

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:53:05 PM

Hey, hey! I can't use anything else but Tylenol because of health reasons. :( <3

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Fane1024
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 6:56:42 PM

SirLoin,

I've always found you to be a class act. Despite your preference for the 360, you have never been irrational or trollish, unlike another pro-360 member who only comments to defend M$.

I can't see why anyone would support M$, given its history, but I for one have no problem with you offering a contrary opinion on this site, since you do so with the aforementioned class.

It's also nice to have a few people here to call out some of the extreme Sony fans on their blatantly false statements (e.g., the 360 is only slightly better than an Xbox).


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BikerSaint
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:56:15 PM

BIGRED15,

I can still remember the old Intellivision/Colecovision console wars that I was involved in(I had both, but partial to my Colecovision).

But back in those days, it was all just some clean bantering over our games & systems, & all in good fun between friends.

And the best part of all was that there wasn't any ignorant a-hole's hiding behind computers back then either

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Dreno
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:26:12 PM
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Ah, finally. The "shiny little golden wire of hope"
( mad props to whom ever can name that reference, keep in mind its not word for word. )

I'm glad about this though. Ill still be monitering my bank stuff cause its better to be safe than sorry. And ill definately be taking extra precautions with my info from now on. Just beef up some security on my part.

I trust sony though, they've got the consumers best interest at heart which is what allot of us have been saying since this ish popped off.

Hope to hear more from sony though, llike this is all taken care of and everythings better.

On an unrelated note, I accidentally got jayden crushed to death in heavy rain. Effin mad jack. What a chum scrubber. Oh by the who, this game is sick.

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Arvis
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 8:41:25 AM

"Ok, first of all, that was a terrible analogy..."

FF7, Barrett. ;)

-Arvis

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:00:27 AM

Damn, Arvis beat me to it.

I also have images of MAVERICK and NO HOPE spraypainted on a wall. lol

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:30:54 PM
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@iron jedi
you made a great point there. THE WORST worst case scenario would be bankruptcy. There is no way that could happen to sony, they are just too relevent in the gaming industry. And with these statements from major credit card corps, it really lessens the credibilty of the class action lawsuits that are bound to happen in the near future. You sir have made me worry even less. I think the worst situation we as the consumer are faced with is no damn PSN for 8 straight days. I should be rockin faces in crysis by now!!!

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johnld
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:49:57 PM

same here, i got every trophy in crysis 2 and socom 4 except the online one. not in a hurry for crysis though. they have that damn 6 month trophy.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:02:30 AM

A 6 month trophy? That is stupid. I'm addicted to trophies. That's a huge turn-off for me. Why, with such a sick lineup of games, would I restrict myself to 1 game for 6 months?

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:37:32 AM

The 6 month trophy I believe is just to log in 6 months after the release or your first play of the game. It's not play it for 6 months or anything like that.

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johnld
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:21:11 PM

yeah, i know. but that doesnt change the fact that the smallest amount of time to platinum is 6 months.

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Bloodysilence19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:32:33 PM
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as the new president of Sony that's what Kaz Hirai is now i think right?, it isn't looking good for him. i figure our cc was encrypted from the start cause Sony wouldn't be that extremely dumb to not encrypt it but doesn't stop some hacker from decoded the encryption though, cause there are professional people who do that for a living for businesses like the fbi. i cancelled my card and got a new one just in case cause like i said what doesn't stop someone from actually decoded the encryption, better to be safe than sorry.
imo i blame Sony, hackers, and the consumers like me. Sony cause of their bad security, hackers for doing it, and the consumer cause Sony didn't put our cc info and kept it on there we the consumer did, so tech everyone is at blame more than others.
i just hope eventually things will move on from this and things will start to look good for Sony, time will tell of course when that will happen.


this day will live in infamy for the sony community but you know what we will move on and we will get stronger and rebuild to maximum capacity we can.

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:37:18 PM
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agreed. that and gamers didn't really have as much of preference back then. Consoles were on quite a level playing field back then. Not to mention, there was no reason for anyone to get worked up over someone elses opinion. As major gaming corps have increased in size, so has the heads of the people that side with the different corps out there. I think M$ has stirred things up the most. "True americans play xbox" is the one phrase that pops into my head when i think about M$. And I feel thats one of the only reason why people choose M$ over sony. That mindset has only manifested into a greater sense of ignorance within the last 5 years.

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:40:58 PM
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The console wars on various websites and the garbage the "journalists" have been spewing on those same websites have me thinking that I'm not long for video gaming. I'm sick of the whole thing. Very few websites are like PSX Extreme when it comes to my hobby. Everywhere I go, I just see angry fanboys arguing with each other over some of the most far-fetched stories written by "journalists" while using the worst spelling and punctuation imaginable.

I've had just about enough. I'm this close to selling my consoles and taking up a new hobby. We, as video gamers, have a horrible reputation. We're seen as a joke. We're seen as a bunch of people who spend all day on the 'Net arguing over everything. I miss the days when it was cordial and people respected opinions. Now, we can't go back.

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Jawknee
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:47:21 PM

I know, the moment PSN went down IGN tried turning this into a console war and tried to ruffle the entitlement feathers of their readers. That editor Colin(can't remember his last name) was all over it making it seem as if this was all their fault and that they owed us something for it.

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johnld
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:51:04 PM

reminds me of the quote that explains IGN completely. "You cant spell ignorant without IGN"

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LittleBigMidget
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:51:15 PM

Don't give up your hobby because of fanboys. Thats lunacy. Anything to do with two things in the world have fanboys; especially electronics: mainly gaming. There are Apple fanboys and there are Droid fanboys, their are Sony fanboys and MS fanboys, theirs Panasonic fanboys and Samsung fanboys etc. My point is, as long as their are 2 things in the world, there will always be fanboys. So what if Gamers have a bad rep? Let people think that, all that matters is that YOU know the truth, that not all individuals who game fit into the negative stereotype.

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Deleted User
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:56:47 PM

Colin Moriarty.

After I finish LA Noire & Infamous 2, I think that's it for me. I'm going to turn 40 in September and it's probably time to bid adieu to my hardcore days of gaming. While it's still fun to play video games, it isn't fun reading about them online. The BS on message boards, news stories and comments sections are just killing the fun for me. It's time for me to take a step back from gaming, maybe forever. I can't get along with today's video gaming community any more.

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FatherSun
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:04:26 PM

What we are experiencing is human nature amplified by the information age. Before these times if someone was angry they could only affect a limited few. Now I can bi*** to the whole world if I choose. It sets off a chain reaction that ripples through the technology we ourselves have created. People literally arguing with complete strangers. Its just crazy. We can shut it off if we want to but how many of us do.

"Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici"

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:37:03 AM

Knowing that's true, please take into consideration the work it takes to keep a community at this level of civility and intelligence. ;)

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:51:57 AM

@Ben, You and your associates at PSX have done an exemplary job with this site. I commend and thank you guys for running a tight ship. I wish others could operate the way you guys do sometimes. Especially when you extinguish those who come here to spread negativity. It is a noble effort. Keep up the excellent work.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:12:18 AM

@Johnld, in respone to what you said.....

IGN!

"I Got Nothin'"

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:27:54 AM


brighat1971

Here's a very simple fix for all that.

Just stay here at PSXE, & you can keep your console(s).

See? nothing really to it. LOL

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:44:40 PM
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@bloodysilence19
a hackers job is to decode layers of encryptions. They work 24/7 at it and sony just happened to be the target because of their recent activity in the hacker community. What we seem to forget is the power that a hacker wields at their fingertips can be used to incapacitate anyone and everyone. My guess is the hack began de-encryption of credit card info right before psn was shut down, effecting users like littlebigmidget. If they didn't shut down, the collateral would have been 10fold. Hacker+sony=sony/consumer as victim. Its as simple as that comprende?

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Bloodysilence19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:10:02 PM

i know that hackers decode encryption, its why i said later in my comment that i cancelled my card cause regardless of the encryption code sony had for our cc info cause it still could be decoded. i agree what hackers are capable of their like the Einstein of the internet pretty much. i don't doubt that, that the hackers were starting to get the full encryption decoded and Sony just lucky they shut the psn down before they could do it. its unfortunate that people probably did get their cc info taken, also got to remember people will start saying their cc info was stolen just cause of whats happening to sony. so imo i dont fully believe if someone cc info got stolen due to the psn thing with sony. i guess on ign PlayStation beyond blog cast i guy got his info stolen claimed it was due to the Sony psn problem when actually wasn't and it was something completely different. sorry for the long response

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SnipeySnake
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:45:26 PM
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So so far the only claims of CC fraud were from LV and LittleBigMidget right? Was there anyone else?

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 10:54:07 PM
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you needn't worry about what people think of the industry, brighat, if people are too dumb to realize gaming's relevance, then thats their problem. Xbots lack the common sense that keeps them from understanding why ps3 is the superior console. Both have major product differentiators, but its sony that provides the best quality imo, and will continue to do so for years to come. What you need to do is continue to align yourself with people who value your opinions and share the same opinions as you, becuase its places like psx that give us sony loyalists the reassurnce we need.
I'll b first to admit it is really hard to go on other sites and see people bashing and shredding your hobby like it's paper, and not question the ammount of time and energy you have put into something you have been passionate about for years.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:05:29 PM
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The truth here is that large corporate networks get hacked, large government networks get hacked huge marketing databases get hacked, huge financial networks get hacked, Data is compromised, card numbers are stolen, social security information becomes comprised. All of this happens all the time. Each week there is a new attack revealed. However the important thing for people to know is that the attacks reported represent the tip of the iceberg. Most attacks of this kind are never revealed to the public.

What marks this hack out and makes it different is not that Sony took too long, or that they used different security than others or anything else. Their security was actually pretty good relative to others. No, the thing that made this different is that Sony came forward almost immediately to tell their customers about it.

Not only that but Sony took it on the chin by shutting down PSN to end the hack. Lots of networks have been hacked and the system admins haven't shut down, instead they tried to plug the gaps without interrupting service. That is a practice that has allowed attacks to continue longer than they should. Shutting down PSN was an extreme, but very effective way to end the attack.

Many data breaches we never hear about, and only when card fraud becomes an issue is it even commented on. A lot of the hacks we do hear about, we hear about long after they've happened when the dust has settled. Sony has hidden nothing, they have come forwards with information and the straight out admission that their system was attacked. They took swift action that ended the attack and they engaged a third party to perform the anslysis. Not only that but they've involved law enforcement.

I've read some articles where the use of a third party security specialist has been criticized, saying that meant Sony didn't know what they were doing. On the other hand if Sony hadn't engaged a third party, they'd be accused immediately of a conver-up. However, the truth of this matter is that a third party bring objectivity to the investigation, and provides an independent source of forensic analysis that can be used in criminal proceedings. Sony was extremely smart to take that move.

What I do not understand is the instantaneous firestorm of Sony hate. I honestly wonder sometimes if it isn't an orchestrated campaign against Sony. As of right now, the severity of the attack is really not that great. The personal information compromised is little more than can be obtained on most people using google and a few search sites and perhaps a few social networking sites. It's almost all publicly available information. The fact that passwords may have been compromised - because you can attack password hashes to determine the original password - is about the worst of it. Of course no one uses the same password for everything, right? If you do, then shame on you, go change them. No CC information appears to have been taken, Sony says it hasn't and financial organizations say it hasn't. So, apart from the extended down time, the passwords are about the most significant aspect of this, and the danger of that is limited by the prompt action by Sony.

Personally, I'm impressed by the action Sony has taken. It's expensive for them in so many ways, but it's absolutely the best way to approach this. I just cannot understand why so many people have to rush to judgement and attack Sony immediately, despite Sony being the biggest victim in all of this, and despite Sony handling this about the very best way possible.

And before someone smarts off about how the best way possible would have been to prevent the attack. You need to understand that is a large enough and persistent enough group of skilled attackers wants to access your system, they will eventually find a way. You can't stop it, but you can handle it well. Sony really isn't going to get the credit they deserve in all of this, but they are doing a very good job in the most difficult circumstances anyone could imagine for a network service like PSN.

Well, I know that a lot of the more casual readers will have already downvoted this without even reading this far. If you did read this far, thanks. I hope that you can find something in what I am saying that you agree with. Either way, please think about the whole situation, you might find that in the end, the sky has not fallen, and Sony has done pretty well considering everything that has happened.

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FatherSun
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:17:37 PM

Would it not be monumental to topple the conductor of such an orchestration?

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:36:43 PM

Indeed it would, but I hesitate to imagine who could be behind it.

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Bloodysilence19
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:54:01 PM

very well said, now go say what you said to other gaming new sites and so people cant stop turning this into The Armageddon of Sony

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:12:13 AM

I'll try posting elsewhere, but I suspect it will not be well received.

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SayWord
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:22:30 AM

Awesome piece of literature you conjured up there :) I always enjoy reading your comments hah

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:33:13 AM

Who would be the most likely suspects? Who would benefit from Sony's downfall? Hmmm....



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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:39:10 AM

@thehighlander
ya true but you never know. at least though you'll know that people here on psx will think its great what you wrote and agree, so its one positive of it.

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Beamboom
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:47:30 AM

@Highlander: I agree with most all you write and that aint hard to do, cause it's 90% stating facts :)
And the minor things I disagree with I see no reason to discuss further.

I'd like to say this though: If the reboot of psn goes smooth and no other bad news are waiting the coming days then I doubt there will be any loss for Sony in the long run - quite the opposite.
This attack were serious and the hackers got as deep as anyone can dream of getting. If Sony get through this with no loss for their customers, then I can not in my wildest imagination picture anything else than that the aftermath will be that this case turned well for Sony.

And that means that to us on this side of the force, we can all smile again. :)


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RadioHeader
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 4:52:08 AM

I'm gonna make a mix-tape of heroic music (Gladiator, Rocky etc) and listen to it while I read whatever Highlander has to say.

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:11:28 AM

"people cant stop turning this into The Armageddon of Sony"

I would imagine that was the main goal of the hackers. Even if they didn't get one byte of useful information, they were able to get people to question Sony's handling of data security. Yesterday, for example, my dad and nephew were over and my nephew asked if PSN was back up. I told him no and then, thinking my dad didn't hear about it as he's not into games, started telling him about it.

He proceeds to tell me he heard about it in the news, how everyone's credit card information was stolen, etc. I was able to set him straight about the whole thing but how many out there don't have anyone telling them what really happened, etc.? Those that don't know gamers probably don't and those people will continue to think that Sony's customers are screwed. Damage done, even if no one's data was actually compromised at all.

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BIGRED15
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:19:46 PM
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damn straight highlander. Where most corps would have worried more about the loss of money, the way u put that together and the way sony has composed it self in all this COMPLETELY reaffirms that Sony is up there with the most "Customer first" oriented companies in the world. They have sacrificed millions of dollars just for our security... and thats good enough for me.

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FxTales
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:24:15 PM
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People can bi*** all they want, fact is if you are wise enough to do your own research on the matter then all the better. That can't be said for journalists though sadly.

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Highlander
Thursday, April 28, 2011 @ 11:34:29 PM
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Sony has put out a new Q&A post on their blog about the PSN Outage.

They thank us for our extraordinary patience...

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/28/qa-2-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:14:51 AM

If there is one thing that is driving nuts about this whole episode, it's having to read this question over and over.

"Q: Will there be a goodwill gesture for the time we haven’t been able to utilize PSN/Qriocity?"

So sick of people thinking they should get compensation for something they didn't pay for to begin with.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:31:42 AM

@Jawknee, And Sony's response is that it is looking into some form of compensation. They may not need to but they are. That is quite a gesture.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:34:06 AM

Indeed. I new they would. They care about their customers. Just kinda sad so many people want their hand out.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:48:30 AM

@jawknee
i agree with you, but sony gotta give psn users something, nothing like major like people saying we should get money in our wallets that is stupid. but like give a free game that no one playes or something like that. xbl went down in 2007 or 2008 but when it came back up ms at least gave their customer a free game for the inconvenience they had.

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Beamboom
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:50:39 AM

Jawk, this I agree with you on. This whole case has been about something completely different than handing out freebies to restless gamers.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:57:46 AM

Jawk, I agree that people should def not feel entitled to receive "compensation" for a period of 10 or so days with no PSN service due to the fact that the servers were hacked. Can't blame Sony for that. Sony more or less did us a favor so that (hopefully) our CC info hasn't been compromised.

However, I'm getting a little tired of seeing the "PSN is free" rebuttal being thrown around. Its certainly costs Sony money to have and maintained the servers. That isn't free. Sony passes on this cost to its customers in the disguise of services like Playstation Plus. Your annual service fee for that almost certainly goes towards paying for PSN's servers.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:52:19 AM

Well, an argument can be made that Plus members deserve compensation, you're right about that. But as a Plus member myself, I feel I have gotten way more than my monies worth since I signed up and still don't feel any need for compensation at this point in time.

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:57:01 AM

@jimmy, PSN *IS* free though. PSN Plus is not mandatory to play online, use Netflix, Hulu Plus, etc. Were I to drop my PSN Plus subscription, my ability to play a game online or watch a movie on Netflix would continue unabated (as soon as PSN is back up, that is).

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SirLoin of Beef
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:02:30 PM

@jawknee,

I totally agree about Plus members already getting their money's worth. Between the free games, beta access and such, it's been a worthwhile purchase for me. If Sony doesn't decide to give me compensation for PSN being down, I certainly won't complain.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:21:32 PM

Indeed.

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jimmyhandsome
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:39:35 PM

I know that there is no fee to use the PSN. My point is that it DOES cost Sony money to maintain the PSN. And I'm more than certain that the Plus membership fees goes toward that.

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Fane1024
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 7:31:39 PM

I'm with Jawknee. PS Plus has been such a great deal for me that I re-upped for another 15 months only 3 months into my first 15 month subscription, since it had already paid for itself.

It didn't hurt, though, that I got both of the $50 PSN cards I used to pay for PS Plus essentially for free.

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Cuetes
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:13:40 AM
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This reminds me of a funny story about my mother-in-law.
One day she called my wife crying that someone was charging her credit card every week. After taking a look at her bank statement, we came to the conclusion that all the charges were coming from the same place. Of course she called, only to find that it was the liquor store she goes to every week! Needless to say she was embaressed, and I got my seven healthy chuckels. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you feel like maybe your info was stolen don't jump to conclusions. You never know.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:31:10 AM

Or maybe it was Alcoholics "Anonymous"!

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:52:15 AM

I hate to laugh man but you made my night! That's a good one! Thanks for shedding some light on this situation, Very appreciated.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:29:16 AM
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Is it me or is the moderator approval message on the blink?

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 12:55:11 AM

Never mind. It seem that the filters have been strengthened and more sensitive to certain words.

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The Iron Jedi
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:14:06 AM
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Another thing I just thought I'd mention. In supporting Sony, I would this may have some sort of effect on Japan too. While this week has been horrible, it's not a huge thing compared to the damage that has been caused to Japan with the Tsunami, Earthquake and Nuclear reactor damage. Just a thought.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:17:48 AM

No kidding. Just remembered people were able to donate to Japan through PSN. Think about all the lost donations due to these selfish hackers.

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The Iron Jedi
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:20:47 AM

@Jawknee, yeah I had forgotten about that too....., I don't have a good understanding of the FBI, living here in Australia, but I just hope they find who they are looking for!

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:35:05 AM

I was actually going to pick up the 2 new items they put up. Another $4. I purchased the Dynamic theme before that. Definitely a loss for the relief effort. Whoever is responsible has no conscience. Selfish troglodyte.

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johnld
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:22:08 AM
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its pretty damn funny that same people bad mouthing sony on the playstation blog suddenly started to calm down when sony posted a second Q&A stating that sony is evaluating means to show psn subscribers appreciation for the trouble the outage caused.

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Veitsknight
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:27:53 AM
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Well, Im back!

This is good news. I never actually have used a credit card on the PSN but i have friends who do, this will be a breath of fresh air for them.

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FatherSun
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:44:00 AM
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The Saga continues. A TrendMicro associate "TWEETED" that 2.2 million PSN database is up for sale. He cannot verify the accuracy of the source.

I replied'

"Has this been verified? False information is plaguing this PSN debacle. Evidence is required."

I received no response. I then tweeted to him,

"I have the other 74.8 million user database. But it is not for sale. See how easy that was."

People are so full of sh*t. This is a vicious cycle. It must be stopped. If you can't back sh*t up with hard evidence then STFU. Sooner or later we will all know the truth.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:56:49 AM

its not full related to what you said but its like how those lawyers are suing Sony now in the behalf of us the consumer cause of how long the psn is down and that it will cost sony 24 billion dollars. really in reality this sleazy suits are just doing it to fill their pockets, doing this cause sony is down at the moment

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johnld
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:00:31 AM

i believe it was just some guy trying to troll the situation. he said he had everything even the ccv? that number at the back of the card. sony said themselves that they never took/stored that info on their servers at all.

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Veitsknight
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:10:02 AM

Why are there so many people who want to mess with Sony?

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Fane1024
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 6:04:37 AM

M$ are known to have hired people to spread FUD. They call it "marketing".

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:02:23 AM
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last comment people should go read what gehotz(v2) said about whats going on with sony and psn on vgchartz. than come tell me his not lying and lying some more. quick note gehotz(v2) face reminds me of the part from step brothers where the guy is talking to will Ferrell and says i dont know what it is about your face but i just want to give it one of these (making fist) anybody else feel that way about gehotz(v2)

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:24:15 AM

More of his pompous self serving bullcrap....sigh.

I *love* ::rolls eyes:: the part where he more or less blames Sony for alienating hackers. This guy is so full of himself that he actually believes that Sony should not have tried to protect their platform because it ticked off hackers. So he's basically saying to Sony - and by implication all other tech companies/network operators - "lie back and take it, or it will be worse for you".

Yeah, nice guy that GeoHot. I understand why Sony settled the case, and I understand why they used the civil law, but GeoHot et al should be doing time.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 2:53:39 AM

its sad a world. i don't know whos worse in their ego gehotz or micheal patcher?

i agree, so do alot of other gamers that gehotz should of at-least do jail time, even for month something more than just a hand-slap on the wrist. though sony said he cant tinker with their products anymore what doesn't stop him from still doing it and sharing with people under the table.

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ACE88
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:22:55 AM
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@Bloodysilence19 I agree with you on the fact that Geohotz should get jail time but when you sit back and think about it, theres many many people out there just like him. Even if he did do some time behind bars, another hacker would take his place. These groups of hackers like anonymous are like terrorist, you get rid of a dew and 10 more come outta the wood works. The truth is hackers will always exist and networks like psn will always have problems with no life hackers, its jus that companies like sony need to stay one step ahead of these a**hole hackers but like i said, hackers will always exist and systems, networks ect will all eventually be hacked every now and then, thats just inevitable bro

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___________
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 3:59:44 AM
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yea..... looking at $onys track reccord of telling the truth forgive me if i dont believe them!
hopefully its true, but to be honest CC fraud is the last thing im worried about!
if someone gets your CC details its easy to notice, and easy to stop.
identity theft, is a whole other kettle of fish!
its not my CC info im worried about, its my personal info im worried about.
whats stopping these people selling my personal info to a nutcase, and he comes over and helps himself in?
thats what im worried about!
once PSNs up im closing my account, and putting false adresses back in there that way if this happenes again i dont have to worry about this sh*t!

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RadioHeader
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 4:54:04 AM

lol not u again

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:43:30 AM

You don't have to worry about it anyways. This will take 5 min. Of ur time and if ur that worried I suggest do it! Call up one of the three major credit bureaus and have them put a fraud alert on you. Then any time your credit is pulled the creditor will have to do a deeper investigation to making sure it's actually you. For instance by answering questions only you would know and so on. Hmm seems simple enough... Plus this way you actually get something accomplished rather than just blaming Sony.

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___________
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:05:25 AM

my god you people are really clueless aint ya!?
im not worried about my CC info im worried about my personal info.
whats stopping these people selling my address info to robbers and they decide to come pay my place a visit?
my banks going to compensate me if that happens too are they?
my lord i cant believe how closed minded you people are!
CC info was not the only data sony requested from you.

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Underdog15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:20:37 AM

"What's stopping these people from selling my address to robbers!"

^That's called a conspiracy theory, son! I'd be more worried about when your name or a family member's name shows up in the newspaper. Like in the obituary's for example! Then the robbers know exactly when you'll be at a funeral, and not at home!

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:54:42 AM

Weren't you supposed to have deactivated your PSX account by now Sony hater?

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Ultimate_Balla
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 6:15:58 AM
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Uh, wowee. The comments concerning the PSN are off the roof. Gee, let's all go outside and do something physical :) PS: Ion't practice homosexuality and don't plan on starting now :P

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mj445
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 6:52:34 AM
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I'm am affected by this just like every PS3 user, but I say this is people own issue if they feel this way. You sign an agreement when you join the PSN which informs you that there is a risk of online security in the wall of text you agree to. If you save your credit card as well, you're informed about the data security risks again; a link is provided as well that explains the possible risk of sharing information online. If you blindly add your data into anything online, that's not just the PSN - but anywhere, you always do risk the chances of that information being stolen, used, or otherwise. People shouldn't just be as naive to say "well it's a massive company, it should be safe" when Sony is just a big a target as anyone else. Hell sometimes it's people within companies who mismanage user data.

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:56:53 AM

+1 for your well rounded reasoning and understanding of personal responsibility. We need more posters like you around here. :)

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AcHiLLiA
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:42:37 AM
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Still will be using PSN cards to be on the safe side.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:04:13 AM

AlexanderTH3GR8
Agreed, but I foresee PSN cards becoming a rare commodity to find in the near future over this hacking fiasco.

I surly hope Sony has realized this too, and has already started manufacturing a few trillion more PSN cards.

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Dreno
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:34:47 AM
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@arvis props to you sir (or ma'am)

And yes while that was a bad analogy, atleast we've got some pretty good news from sony. Now their words are backed up by 3 banks. Although I personally didn't doubt sony, but know that many others out their did.

Analogies are pretty much hit or miss for me. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

Anyways, got my email from sony, but it just said pretty much exactly what I've been reading all week and not worrying about.

Like I've been saying since this happened, sony did the right thing in shutting down the psn because they have the consumers best interest in mind.

As for how a lot of people on other sites were bad mouthing sony until they mentioned some kind of reimbursment... its typical of the world we live in Today, which is very sad. All these people wanting something for nothing. Where was their faith in a company that's been good to its consumers since ps1?

I'm aware that sony does other things besides consoles, but I'm just using the gaming aspect as the psn pertains to gaming.

As for kaz, good luck to you sir. What with the gaming world ( or atleast a huge chunk of it ) has their eyes on you.com I hope he can pull this off. And bounce sony back from this, but I have faith he'll do what needs to be done.

So what did geohotz(v2) say? I didn't see a link in That comment so was wondering if someone could fill me in.

On a side note, after psn gets up and I get some internet at casa de la dreno, I plan on using it, I'm sure sony will have beefed up security. But I think ill be using psn cards and false address' like some other people. Like they say, better to be safe than sorry. Atleast with a couple extra precautions ill be doing my part in helping sonykeep my personal info secure.

...anyways, hope to hear some more good news.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 1:31:27 PM

heres the link to what geohotz said http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/85855/geohot-to-psn-hackers-dont-be-a-dck-amp-sell-peoples-info/ V2= virgin 2 if you didn't know
gehotz said pretty much that hacker was very good on what he did but saying the hacker shouldn't sell the info that the guy gives hackers a bad name, last gehotz still calling sony ignorant etc etc

check this article out if you want
http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/29/rumour-psn-member-credit-card-numbers-on-sale-in-hacker-underground/
supposedly the rumor is the hacker who hacked into sony is selling the personal info and cc info to the underground community that the guy offered sony to buy it back and they said no.

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:39:29 PM

The data being sold is said to include the card verification number which would be pretty hard since Sony never collected that piece of information from anyone. Oops.

I also saw mention of some Australian who claims he's a victim of credit card fraud related to the PSN hack. As many others have pointed out, if there was any significant CC data loss, we would be seeing a large number of documented cases of attempted theft from people's cards by now. We aren't, the banks aren't and Sony is confident no CC data was lost. Meanwhile there are many other data breaches that have occurred over the last few months, some of which involve CC data, not to mention all the other ways people obtain CC numbers they shouldn't have. So, yeah, sure we believe this one paranoid Australian, it's probably Mr Anonymous Cowherd aka Mr Underline.

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BIGRED15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 4:04:41 PM
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@bloody silence
I call bs on cc info being black marketed. if wall street journal or the times was reporting, then maybe its credible, but where did that site get their info from? i think its a ploy to intimidate sony consumers imo. Whats the sites bias as well, because this may just be another sleez journalist reporting.

@_________ or whatever they call ya.
You can sit there and get paranoid about your info being stolen or you can take the ramifications necessary to protect your self as much as possible. Looking at everyone else thats posting, its obvious that info being sold to robbers is furthest from their worries. I wouldn't jump to conclusions so quick if I were you. Wait it out, keep resaerching and if data is verified as being sold to criminals then yea, worry a bit, but for now its nothing, but a mere theory. You cant live in fear ya know.

@ bloody silence again. That geohot sounds like a real arrogant SOB. doesn't he?

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 6:02:47 PM

some guy tweeted it at first and sites started posting it. i think on news stations as well like bbc, msnbc, and fox posted it on their sites. the funny thing is the guy who tweeted said he doesn't even know if its a reliable source were he got it from. so i agree i think its just people trying to make sony consumers even more worried about the current situation.

yes he is. if you ever seen the movie Step Brothers the part when the guy is talking to Will Ferrell and says i dont know what it is about your face but i just wana give it one of these (making fist)at Will Ferrell that's exactly how i feel about geohot

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:33:14 PM

@Bloodysilence,

That's exactly the problem, an unverified tweet from some dude about something get's reported by a few niche sites as if it was fact, and then larger outlets re-report it, and then mainstream news sites re-re-report it. By the time it hits the TV news and mainstream news it's morphed from some very dubious tweet by some random guy into a full blown report about some data being sold. Yet it's not at all that, it's just some random guy tweeting.

You see this effect all the time where the truth of a story is lost as it is passed from site to site the reports some other site reporting it. Each new site adds their own spin and pretty soon, the story isn't at all what it started as. And we still call these people journalists?? *sigh*

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Bloodysilence19
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:19:17 PM

@thehighlander

i totally agreed. im not saying this people are lying but imo they know since sony is down they can get rich and fill their pockets without having to do anything. its like the lawsuit that the law-firm is suing sony for, their doing it cause they know sony is hurting and its a easy way to make a quick buck, it really pathetic imo.

here's a article from thegunnshop on youtube posted http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109661-Hackers-Offer-PSN-Credit-Cards-For-Sale
read the very bottom it says a Australian man had 2k dollars charged on his card. whats weird cause credit company's like Wells Fargo, MasterCard, and american express all have reported there has been no mystery charges on peoples account. so who knows which side is pulling the Pinocchio

this is pretty much how gossip is. tell one person your foot broke, than that person tells johnny you broke your leg and by the end of the day your supposedly dead.

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BikerSaint
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:09:11 AM
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Smells like he's just another a$$hat trying to get his 15 seconds of fame.

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Lairfan
Monday, May 02, 2011 @ 8:15:26 PM
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Much ado about nothing.

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