Homeland Security Signs On To Assist PSN Damage Control

JMO_INDY
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:40:05 PM
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Wow, scary stuff indeed. I'm thankful I never put any sensitive data on there such as a credit card number. I love that quote BTW Ben, ran by 0s and 1s. Excellent way of putting it. I can't believe these hackers have this much time on their hands. Imagine the paychecks they could be getting if they utilized these skills for good. Too much wasted time for people who are just a waste of space.

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faraga
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 2:11:21 AM

If they would've pulled this scam off and had stolen the CC information of at least 40 million people, they wouldn't have to worry about a paycheck for quite some time.

Last edited by faraga on 4/30/2011 2:13:09 AM

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shadowscorpio
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:18:44 AM

@ faraga

I think that there should be a code entered everytime a person uses their credit card when purchasing something. That why criinals using stolen credits would have an impossible time figuring out how to use someone elses CC.

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 6:19:04 PM

You mean like a Credit Card with a security chip? :p

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:48:31 PM
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God I hope they find these goons.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:09:49 AM

Me too. All this trouble from one person or small group of people with a grudge?

No one will support hackers again with crap like this pulled off. No wonder Anonymous has literally no supporters and no one turns up to their rallies.

Companies hate hackers, just like everyone hates thieves. Would anyone just "lay down and take it" if people kept getting their locks broken in robbery attempts? NO!!! We double our security to make it harder!!!

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:11:36 AM

Just wait, it's not over yet. The stock fallout for Sony will be horrible, and I expect the 360 will get a resurge out of this. Just when my beloved PS3 hit its stride, it gets knocked back. (Which, I think, was the true impetus for the hack, though I have no evidence to support this statement. Just a hunch.)

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ZettaiSeigi
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:52:17 PM
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I really hope that they put all their efforts into determining who is responsible for all this mess, gather all the necessary hard proof against them, and go down hard on those bastards. I don't care what they do, but those responsible for hacking the PSN should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Just because they could hide behind their computers shouldn't mean that they would be forever safe!

Last edited by ZettaiSeigi on 4/29/2011 9:54:31 PM

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:19:07 AM

With so many law enforcement agencies and cyber-police committies on the case, I have no doubt Sony will do a fine job restoring and securing everything tighter than a bank vault.

I just hope this doesn't sway too many people over to the Xbox side of things. Otherwise, once sales spike and more members join Live, it'll just be a big a target as ever for hackers. Imagine all the points and Credit Card info they'd pull off Live, it'd be like hitting the jackpot!

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DirtySkillzHD
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:52:52 PM
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These crooks better be put to justice. I wan't more than BLOOD.

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:45:18 PM

Oh, there going to get more than blood in jail.. with all the lonely guys in there.. Yeah, I'm not going to talk anymore about this I'm sure you know where I'm getting at.

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tes37
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 9:59:11 PM
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It looks like somebody is in way more trouble than they anticipated and that makes me extremely happy. I hope they get the maximum penalty allowed by law to serve as an example for the fools who might try something like this in the future.

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:55:39 PM

Agreed. It's time for an example to be made, and these crooks need to be the ones.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:21:11 AM

No doubt Sony will work hard for as long as it takes to finally track down these scum. Over 50 million people with 77 million accounts want to see the criminal get what they deserve.

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:12:57 AM

Anyone know offhand what the maximum punishment is?

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:58:47 PM

Death.

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Bloodysilence19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:18:52 PM
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im just glad their people actually helping out sony in this, and really trying to find this sleezy hackers. if they do find them, even if its one guy. if the fbi or HS cant beat it out of the person to give up info, can we gamers volunteer to do it im sure we could get the info out of him.

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kraygen
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:18:57 PM
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Well if homeland security is involved then the guys involved should be shaking and crying. If found now they have absolutely no rights. Homeland security doesn't have to put you on trial, they can just do what they will.

I'd be scared.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:21:49 PM

Hell yeah, that's some scary gestapo stuff we have in America now. I'd be paranoid as hell if I had anything to do with what happened.

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:55:06 PM

Indeed. The DHS is almost literally the secret police. If they invoke the patriot act and call your action terrorism (funnily enough this hack probably meets the definition) you have no rights at all. Welcome to the new Gitmo dudes.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:23:54 AM

If Homeland Security do find this guy, rather than them deal with the criminal in a dark room, send out an email to all PSN subscribers to line up outside the office with whatever blunt weapon of choice and let the public decide how to deal with this fool!!

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kraygen
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 6:59:06 PM

Highlander

Considering how the patriot act is written it could easily be classified as terrorism. Heck if you are out in public, had a small cough, and happened to cough near a homeland security officer, he could snatch you from your home that night and you'd never be heard from again.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:20:51 PM
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It's about zeros alright, the "Zeros" are the hackers themselves.

Sounds like Homeland Security was bored and thought they'd take on a hobby while they sat around wasting money and bungling everything up in superfluous bureaucracy. Who knows, maybe they will finally be useful.

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Hezzron
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:21:13 PM
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Here's hoping Osama Bin Laden is behind the PS3 hack. That way Homeland Security can kill two overdue birds with one stone.

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N_C
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 3:06:23 PM

@Hezzron
Jawknee (quietly to himself on his computer reding psxextreme...): "Heh, Hezzron, don't you mean, Obama Bin Laden??? Plus I mean come on he never even provided a full birth cerficiate to prove he was born in...oh wait a minute..."

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:22:04 PM
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You know when it's serious if Homeland security steps in.

Can't wait for them to get caught!

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BIGRED15
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:25:23 PM
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my guess is that homeland security is probably the key to figuring out who is responsible. If any one can figure this out, i bet they can

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:31:20 PM
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These douche bags need to be brought down! They need to be caught and I hope it's inevitable that they do! I can't stand what theyve done and I hope they are scared outta their minds right now!

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 4/29/2011 10:32:19 PM

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:40:00 PM
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Here's a question for you guys...

So a lot of speculation is that this attack was probably brought upon Sony because of their stance against hackers. Obviously taking Geohot fraud guy, to court made a lot of hackers upset. So assume that part is true. Since Sony will undoubtedly do everything they can, along with homeland security, FBI and Any other parties involved to catch these guys, and they do, what do you think happens to Sony then? Or better yet to the hacking community?

Do you think Sony will be target to more attacks after all this? Do you think hackers would continue to do their thing, being dumb asses? Or do you think it would slow a lot of it down? It would be a huge win if these guys got caught ever!

I know how I feel but I'm curious as to what others might think, now that homeland security is involved...

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Jawknee
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:49:15 PM

Well, my hope is that they catch enough of them and the punishment is severe enough that it makes any future hackers think twice about whether it's worth it or not. But who really knows. Either way, even if it doesn't completely stop the attacks, authorities and Sony should never stop perusing them.

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:51:57 PM

Involving the real security agencies does bring a greater level of reality to this, but if the folks behind the attack on Sony are established criminal hackers, they will hardly care. Then again, if any of these folks get caught and brought to justice, that would have a chilling effect.

The biggest plus that could come out of this is if legislators around the world wake up to the fact that a large portion of the world's GDP now depends on the Internet, and yet the Internet was never, ever designed for this use. In fact it's evolved as it's grown, but security was never a priority. Legislators need to address this in the criminal codes and regulations that drive the Internet towards a more secure future. Putting some political will behind IPv6 with more secure protocols would be a start.

Jawknee, I completely agree, Sony should not stop until they are all brought to justice. Examples need to be made. I'm also hoping that the security firm that Sony engaged will be helping Sony with not only beefing up their security, but also putting better tools in place to allow Sony to quickly trace and capture any suspect traffic coming into PSN.

Last edited by Highlander on 4/29/2011 10:53:33 PM

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bigrailer19
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:15:51 PM

I agree with both of you as well. I don't think Sony should ever stop, I think what they did to Geohot was not only in their best interest but the right thing to do. I can't believe how many articles I've read by websites that pride themselves on gaming journalism, saying Sony asked for it by taking hotz to court. I think Sony did the right thing. They go to lengths saying Sony has a huge chip on thier shoulder and that they are a corporate company who cares nothing but themselves. It's sickening to read because they are giving the hackers a free pass, while Sony is obviously trying to bring them down.

I think if these guys ever got caught because of the magnitude, I would hope it would make hackers realize what they are doing is wrong. But as you stated highlander of they are criminals they won't care. I do think it would be a huge win though for anyone fighting hackers.

Last edited by bigrailer19 on 4/29/2011 11:18:01 PM

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TheAgingHipster
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:17:37 AM

@TheHighlander: As I read your comment, I stopped at "security firm" and blinked, because for some reason, I thought you meant a company like Blackwater, and I got really excited.

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kraygen
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:05:06 PM

While I am really hopeful they catch them and give them the severest punishment we can think of, I'm afraid that in reality it won't dissuade others.

Criminals have been punished since the beginning of crime and there will always be someone else who says, "I won't get caught, I'm better than that guy."

Although I do think crime would diminish if we had harsher penalties. Today most criminals aren't afraid of getting arrested. "Oh no! Free room and board with cable tv, a gym, and free schooling." The terrors.

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Highlander
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 10:46:36 PM
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So, looks like these <insert insulting and nasty name> hackers messed with the wrong hornet's nest. First it was the FBI and now the DHS, I bet that the resources of the NSA are being swung into action too, they can decrypt just about anything, and monitor a lot of data traffic in real time. If anyone can track these morons, it's them.

Basically, the hackers messed with the wrong target.

Frankly I think that both the FBI and Homeland security (in the US) and police/intelligence services elsewhere ought to be interested in this kind of thing. The people behind this, and the people behind removing the security from the PS3 - and hence compromising PSN security - all represent a threat in the cyber-sphere. This has been coming for a long time. A lot of real harm can be done by people doing things in cyber-space that they would never dream of doing in real life. It's time to bring real consequences to the perpetrators of these kinds of attack since their attacks and hacks can have real consequences for companies and consumers who are the victims of these crimes.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:27:42 AM

We will have to see how this pans out. Personally I won't assume anything yet, nor would I assume that Law Enforcement has won the day.

I honestly believe they will not be able to bring everyone to justice due to the very nature of the internet and how anonymous one can be if they try hard enough. You can launch an attack from your local Starbucks if you want... who is it then? And then the one up the street... etc etc, are they going to pat down and search every Starbucks customer who walks in there with a laptop or smart phone?

I think Sony will have "some" success... but Homebrew and hackers are here to stay I'm afraid... We got to get over it and know that this side of the underworld will always be with us.

We may not want it, but it is here to stay. My advice is, becareful with your personal information; or be as careful as you can be.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/30/2011 12:28:13 AM

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kraygen
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:07:36 PM

Qubex

Actually with the DHS involved, yeah they probably would search every person who had walked into the starbucks. They would probably raid your home, arrest you at work, and do whatever else they felt like doing.

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 5:38:51 AM

Well, the attack was sustained, so it would be hard to carry out through a starbucks without some indication. But I get the point. However the DHS can - IIRC - call on the NSA for assistance. As clever as the hackers might be, I'm willing to bet that the NSA's Germans are smarter than the Hacker's Germans are (if you get the reference I will be delighted). Besides the brains of the NSA, you also have their computational resources which are silly big.

Either way, I agree that not everyone will be captured, but if they get enough of them, perhaps a few will cut deals by giving evidence against others. That should maximize the numbers caught.

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Qubex
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:02:26 PM

True, that is a good point Highlander. If they do get a few, more may fall!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Clamedeus
Friday, April 29, 2011 @ 11:14:26 PM
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David Caruso: Looks like they... attacked the wrong Gaming company!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/CelL1337/david-caruso-horatio-cain.jpg

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frylock25
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:09:25 AM
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its to good to be true. I am glad that it is true though. funny how sony was "doing nothing" as everyone was saying. seems like they were doing a whole lot to me.

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:34:01 AM

This is why I read about this news here.

IGN is too busy scaring everyone into joining Xbox Live and saying that Sony did nothing until now. God I hate that website with a passion right now!!

Sony have been doing the right thing. They told the public everything they knew the moment they knew themselves. They are constantly keeping us up to date about what they are doing. It may have taken two or three days to figure out what the breach was and what was taken or copied, but Sony could have been like other companies and try to keep it hush hush while unsuspecting customers get robbed without their knowing.

In the end, all I can say is this.

F#*K you hackers!! No one likes you!!

Go Kaz, go!! Bring the justice and restore Sony's image!!

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Kiryu
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 6:39:56 AM

I bloody hate those pigs that talk down on Sony Computer Entertainment.
They teased ps3's games,sony disproved it.
They teased blu-ray,sony disproved it.
They teased ps3's graphics,sony disproved it.
They teased about move,8mil sold=sony disproved it.
and there r more then 6 aaa ground breaking PS3 Exclusives coming out this Year.I hope PS3 sales keep increasing till the next 10 years so that those pigs know that PS3 is the Generation Defining Console.

Last edited by Kiryu on 4/30/2011 6:41:10 AM

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sha4dowknight05
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:09:33 AM
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You know how serious this attack is when Homeland Security is involved.

I wonder what these hacker's are and their intentions on why they pulled this fiasco on SONY.

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johnld
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:46:03 AM

chances are their main goal was to desrupt psn which they succeeded. however, you cant really tell what each individual is thinging. a group may just go for an annoyance but one of those guys would just use it as a front to get stuff for themselves. either way they need to be found and brought to justice, law or whatever else fits.

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Dreno
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:25:40 AM
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Homeland securty huh? That's crazy. Hella crazy.

Well at least it sounds more and more like these hackers are getting ever so closer to their just desserts.. personally, I hope they get caught and spend a few years in a federal pen as some guy named rick the d**ks little personal blow up doll.

These hackers are screwing everything up for everyone.

I can't wait for this to be over though. Id just like for gaming to get back to what is was before this crap took place.

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main_event05
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:42:44 AM

with the DHS involved i think they'll pray for club fed. I'm hoping for gitmo.

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johnld
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:40:21 AM
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anyone else thing that this is practically the reason Anonymous claims to have stopped attack on the psn? they can say all they want to cover their @$$e$ but i still believe theyre the ones who did this. i cant wait for the day when i see the news that they caught these bastards.

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:02:10 AM

Same. It's foolish for people to defend them and take them at their word. Even if they are "anonymous" they'd have to be morons to confess to attacking PSN at this point. They kept promising a huge attack on Sony then this happened and now they are saying it wasn't them? They're lying.

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 2:50:31 AM

Careful. These comments can be used against you guys during jury selection.

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:07:53 AM

Anonymous is guilty of interrupting the PSN. The statement they made regarding the cease of their attack does not clear them of this crime. Maybe they did not steal, and that's a big maybe, but they are guilty nonetheless.

I am 90% on the side of Anonymous's responsibility in this larger attack. Trying to be slick. Ok guys we will stop now...then Boom! This happens. Sorry guys but I don't think so. You are the first suspects! Line em up boys!

Last edited by FatherSun on 4/30/2011 4:15:56 AM

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:36:36 AM

@Porkchop, I'd gladly serve in a jury against these perps.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:59:28 AM

I thought one has to be found guilty of the act before anything is certain.

Assuming anything other than knowing the actual truth is dangerous and goes against the constitution of the United States. Everyone is free until proven guilty under the Law.

Over the ages Laws do change, they mature as society changes and its tolerances; however presently we go by this fact that no one can be blamed for anything until is proven in a court of Law. In Anonymous's case they may not be guilty for this particular attack, as they said they had nothing to do with it. I am inclined to take that with a pinch of salt, but personally, morally, I cannot presume them guilty until it is proven. Anything else than this is a farce and goes against the freedom our society offers every human being.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:23:08 PM

The guilty point was due to Anonymous taking responsibly for the disruption of the PSN. Hence me allowing the 10% that they are not responsible for the current situation. I am a firm believer in not believing anything unless I have absolute proof.

Last edited by FatherSun on 4/30/2011 12:28:08 PM

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:28:45 PM

Qubex, you're 100% correct but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be considered the number 1 suspect.

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MyWorstNightmar
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:19:12 PM

Qubex,
1. We don't know if they are from the U.S., so we don't have to afford them any constitution rights. (Or at least shouldn't)
2. We can assume they are guilty all we want. Its the courts that have to presume innocence...not us.

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Qubex
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:04:48 PM

Jawknee and MyWorstNightmar... thank you for your responses. You make valid points, and can't really argue against them specifically.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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callofdutyfan96
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:07:04 AM
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HELLO WORLD

GREETINGS TO WHOEVER READS THESE FINAL WORDS.....

LET ME FIRST BEGIN BY SAYING THAT.....

I MISS MY PSN FRIENDS...MY ONLY FRIENDS I HAVE IN THIS DIGITAL SIMULATION THAT WE CALL "LIFE"

I HAVE BEEN WITHOUT MY PLAYSTATION NETWORK NOW FOR A WEEK.....

I FEEL SO ISOLATED AND DEPRESSED NOW....

I FEEL THAT SONY LET ME DOWN...

LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS IN "LIFE"

THIS VOID THAT I NOW HAVE IN MY HEART

NOW IS RIPPING ME APART FROM THE CORE OF MY SOUL TO MIND TO MY BODY

I AM DETACHED AND DISSOCIATED FROM THE ONLY WORLD THAT UNDERSTOOD ME

EVERYTHING IS ALL SO LOUD AND ALL SO QUIET IN MY MIND IN THIS SILENCE....

I GAVE SONY EVERYTHING I HAD IN MY WORLD...ALL EMOTION I HAD IN MY BEING...

I GAVE IT MY ALL IN CALL OF DUTY EVERY TIME I PLAYED ON THE PSN

I GAVE SONY MY "REAL" MONEY FOR AN VIRTUAL PIXEL HAT AND VIRTUAL PIXEL HOUSE

EMOTIONS OF LOVE CARE AND RESPECT AND TRUST

I ALSO GAVE SONY.....

AND SONY TOOK IT ALL AWAY FROM ME LAST WEEK WITHOUT WARNING... :(

I CAN GO ON NO LONGER IN THIS "LIFE"

THIS SIMULATION...THIS "LIFE"

WITH THE PSN BEING DOWN I AM NOW FORCED TO FACE TRUE PHYSICAL PLANE REALITY....

AND I HAVE LEARNED THAT THIS TRUE PHYSICAL PLANE "REALITY?"

IS JUST A VIDEO GAME THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER WIN.....

I LEARNED THAT EVERYONE WILL LOSE IN THE END

SONY TAUGHT ME THIS LESSON.....

AS THESE FINAL BREATHS ARE TAKEN TONIGHT IN THIS "LIFE" "REALITY?"

I WANT TO THANK YOU SONY FOR ALL THE FUN TIMES WE HAD......

I AM NOT SELFESH

BUT THANKFUL

I THANK YOU SONY..

I ALSO THANK GOD AND JESUS CHRIST

AND ARCHANGEL RAPHEAL

FOR

I WILL FINALLY BE AT PEACE

I WILL FINALLY REACH LEVEL 99

I WILL WIN FOR ONCE....

I WILL GOTO HEAVEN....

AS I SIT IN FINAL MINUTES IN REALITY? SIPPING SOUTHERN COMFORT WHISKEY FROM THE BOTTLE

ALL IS SO STILL AND DARK IN MY MIND

AS THE 5000MG OF DEXTROMETHORPHAN HBR AND BOOZE HAS FINALLY GIVEN MY SOUL FREEDOM FROM THIS SIMULATION

THIS LIE....

I WILL FOREVER LOVE YOU MY PSN FRIENDS.....

ETERNAL LOVE MADLY DEEPLY.....

I WONDER WHAT THE GRAPHICS ARE ON THE OTHERSIDE....IN HEAVEN?

I WILL SOON BE SHOWN THE LIGHT....

GOODBYE WORLD...

PLEASE KINDLY REPOST THESE WORDS

AS I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO...

GODSPEED TO YOU ALL....

-BLESSED BE

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Jawknee
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:15:33 AM

You must have glossed over the part in the Terms that says. NO CAPSLOCK.

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Underdog15
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:19:52 AM

I wouldn't worry Mr. Fan. CoD will still be the same 6 years from now.

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JMO_INDY
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 2:04:02 AM

Did we just witness a suicide? OH LOOK!!! The office is on!!!

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main_event05
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 2:15:16 AM

I thought suicides went straight to hell. looks someone is gonna be spending eternity with a launch model 360.

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:19:55 AM

Maybe this kid its full of sh*t. Maybe not. Ben, forward this to the authorities and be done with it. Either we will save a life or someone will be on time out for a year! "What?, no Call of Duty for a year? Damn, that's worse than death."

Next post: "Sorry for the inconvenience guys, go on about your business." Removes caps lock key from keyboard.

Last edited by FatherSun on 4/30/2011 4:23:50 AM

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:02:00 AM

What crap did I just read???

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/30/2011 8:02:22 AM

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:07:54 AM

I think he's joking, but I can't tell. If he's serious he needs to go seek help.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 9:19:06 AM

'rolls eyes'

Don't do that again.

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 10:15:01 AM

I have to admit I LOL'd pretty good at that. I'm a sick ****.

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frylock25
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 10:36:06 AM

lame

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:36:39 AM

Ben, If this person's comment isn't banworthy, what is?

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AnonWTF
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 10:48:42 AM

this shit brought tears to my eyes =(

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Dancemachine55
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 1:13:59 AM
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Take your time Sony. No need to rush.

We Sony fans are not like fans of the competition. We love our single player games and PS2 classics. Sure, online multiplayer is nice, but we don't HAVE to have it like Xbots.

Imagine if Live went down the day after Modern Warfare 3 came out, or Black Ops for that matter? Imagine the uproar from Xbots! None of them even know what a single player campaign is! With no friends to trash talk online, how can they offload their angry self-pity anonymously? :P

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PorkChopGamer
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 2:58:08 AM

ONE post using the term 'Xbot' TWICE? I can scratch that one off my Tricadecathlonomania list! Thanks, Dancemachine!

Last edited by PorkChopGamer on 4/30/2011 2:59:01 AM

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:25:19 AM

They would blame Sony if that happened. Everything is Sonys fault nowadays.

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ACE88
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:00:34 AM
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@faraga i don't know bro,I dont agree because CC purchases and transactions now days leave so much information behind every transaction. I think if they did hack that many peoples CC information they would be caught really fast, atleast thats my opinion. I mean think about it, we're not talking about cash. Credit cards leave a paper trail. If these hackers did in fact obtain 40 million psn users CC information EVERY SINGLE transaction or purchase with EVERY SINGLE card would leae a paper trail showing where the puchase/transaction occured, the date and time of the transaction and if it was online transactions there would still be a paper trail, i'm not saying that if 40 million psn users CC information was hacked would'nt cause any damage because without a dobt it would but the hackers shopping spree would be very brief in my opinion.

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ACE88
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:11:06 AM
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@callofdutyfan96
WOW bruh no disrespect but jus when i thought ive heard it all LOL you come out with one of the most outrageous ridiculous insame and shameful comments i've ever heard. I'm really not trying to be disrespectful bruh but wow, c'mon that was jus sad.. and as far as the southern comfort, thats NOT whiskey lol and I know that if you were drinking souther comfort on top of 5000mgs of dxm you would absolutley be in the hospital. your trying to tell me you took 5GRAMSof dextromethorphan....uhhh NO bruh, jus NO

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ACE88
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:11:53 AM
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*insane*

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___________
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:30:11 AM
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im starting to think this is a little bigger then what $ony will have us believe!
HLS, FBI, and now the canadian senetor, and even Taipei threatening fines!
something else must be going on for it to be getting this much attnetion!
$ony keeping things from us?
why would that not surprise me!?

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:54:16 AM

Then it its obvious that you did not understand how big this incident was in the first place. What did people think? That they can hack such a large network and just sit back and have a laugh. This was the ultimate goal. International attention on all involved. You, me, Sony, DHS, FBI INTERPOL...etc... Sony is the victim, not the perpetrator. The hackers are now the target. They must be brought to justice. The world now demand it. These agencies have to prove their worth. For ask our sakes.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:07:18 AM

The world doesn't demand anything, only your world does... I don't think it is wise to speak for "the world". It is a pretty big place with many people having differing views from yours, and mine.

If these hackers are found to be guilty they will be summoned to a court of Law for a trial. If they lose their case they will be punished. Until then no one can be presumed guilty as charged, unless you live in a totalitarian state, which many of us don't.

First they need to be found, not an easy task I might add... I hope all this can be resolved quickly now :(

I must admit, I am getting some PSN withdrawal symptoms!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 4/30/2011 8:08:31 AM

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:16:46 AM

It will go a bit faster now, 40 have been caught so far. Now with big agencies in the fray, it will only increase the numbers.

Mind you we don't know the exact numbers of how many hackers are involved, we might not even get all of them but a good majority.

And I believe the reason why they are getting involved besides what happened to Sony is because the hackers might be involved with WikiLeaks.

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:01:39 PM

I communicate with enough people in enough corners of the world to consider myself "WISE" enough to make the statement "The World Demands It!"

It is possible that since I have not made it absolutely clear that when I discuss Sony and the hackers I am actually taking the entire WORLD into consideration. I am generalizing this issue with all security breaches that have and will take place. There are companies that would seem impervious to these attacks but that is simply not the case.

It seems that no one is safe. Credit card companies, hacked. Online vendors, hacked. Military systems, hacked. Financial institutions, hacked! Entertainment Networks hacked as well. Officials need to address these issues. We need more protection.

The WORLD now demands more. More from its Governments, Its Law Enforcement Agencies, Its Health providers. More from its Companies. Better products, better service and most of all better security. I think that about covers what the majority of the world demands. Will these demands be met? That is the trick question.

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Qubex
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:09:44 PM

Fair enough Fathasun... I am sure a good few number of people demand it, but as stated, I personally try to not make generalisations if possible. You do make valid points, I have noted them and taken them for what they are in their context.

Yes the World of PlayStation demands that these people get caught, and I hope they do. Agree though that the "wider" world would also be interested in this and demand some explanations on how this will be prevented in the future... simply put, un-feted cyber crime of at this level is dangerous, PlayStation or no PlayStation, it is unwanted and unnecessary to disrupt the lives of so many people...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 5/1/2011 1:10:43 PM

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:43:55 AM
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This is an excellent time for Sony to issue a public statement. If written properly they can show the world that it has always had the best interest of it's customers in mind. That they would go to great lengths to secure and protect our rights by cooperating with law enforcement and officials in order to bring all responsible parties to justice. This criminal act represents a clear and present danger to all citizens of the world. Sony was never alone in this. All corporations are or should be keeping a close eye on the outcome of this battle as well as the public. I highly expected for these agencies to get involved. Is that not what they are here for? These criminals were seeking attention, well, now they have it!

If Sony can use this to their advantage then they should. So much scrutiny on them for advancing our preferred form of entertainment. They deserve a chance to show the world what they are made of. Sony has always demonstrated to me a desire to produce quality and innovation. It's high time they regain the support and respect they had once before. I am more than willing to assist in any way I can.

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 5:52:14 AM

Confirmed? Kaz Harai will issue a public statement tomorrow. This will be one of the determining factors regarding Sony's public image.

I'm counting on you Kaz. You must rally everyone involved and make the public feel confident that Sony not only seeks justice on behalf of its consumers and developers but will also continue to provide a compelling and secure experience in the years to come.

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:12:23 AM

It means nothing in the end though. We as consumers expect a certain degree of service, come statement or no statement. He has to repair Sony's tarnished image now; but you know, my personal feeling is that customers also have a tendency to forget these types of incidents fairly quickly - more so if they were not actual victims of fraud or have suffered severely from the service outage.

Once the gamers have their games back online and Uncharted 3 is whirling in their blu-ray players, the PSN hack will be far from their minds. How many people will care about this whole thing in a years time?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Clamedeus
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 9:01:52 AM

They won't care, but they also won't forget.

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FatherSun
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 5:04:41 PM

@Qubex, What you state is exactly the reason why I said that Kaz must handle the situation carefully. Handling it properly would mean not only making a clear statement to consumers regarding what happened and why but what comes next. The statement itself would only be words if he does not back them up. If he can demonstrate that Sony will make good on its promises and be better prepared for any future incidents then it will be easier for people to begin to trust them again.

As far as expecting a certain degree of service. No one should ever accept poor service. Some may argue that since PSN is a free service it is excusable. I do not.

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Qubex
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:12:39 PM

Thanks for your response Fathasun, it is true what you said. It will be a careful balancing act.

I hope all this can be put away soon, so we can all get back to some gaming...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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ACE88
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:10:26 AM
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I cant wait for the F.B.I and homeland security to catch those responsible for causing this mess. When the F.B.I and Homeland security find those who caused this mess with sony im almost positive that these criminals will be doing jail time. and there will be a trial. i dont know what you guys are talkin bout sayin that because its Homeland security there wont be a trial. there will most definitly be a trial and it WILL be a FEDERAL trial in a FEDERAL court house which means FEDERAL offenses and FEDERAL jail time in a FEDERAL prison.!!! YAYY haha them rat bastard hackers, i hope the get extorted and anally raped when they go to FEDERAL prison

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blitz30952
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 4:41:51 AM
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S*** just got real

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gray_eagle
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 5:19:57 AM
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Go Sony!! always had and always will have faith in you!

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the P-O-B
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:10:03 AM
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GREAT home land security .... u got to be kidding me!!!! thats just ..... l just screwed with the federal government for 6 to 7 months with trying to get the earned income tax credit for my son .... after l got full damn custody last year . finally after 7 - 8 trips to the irs offfice , they sentme a letter saying l could never get the earned income tax credit for my son ..... and to add insult to injury .. his MOM has got the earned income tax credit for my son .... for 09 & this year .... MY SON HAS BEEN LIVING WITH ME SINCE DEC 08!!! what in the hell r they thinking l wanted the online gaming back ... well l guess lm giving up ... is it ever going to be turned back on now... government red tape.. time consuming investigations.... ITS REALLY STARTING TO LOOK LIKE 6 TO 7 MONTHS NOW they r going to wait till these hacks can not steal content content THATS BULL

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:15:31 AM

What was all this about, are you making a comment about Homeland Security specifically? Why are you talking IRS?

Quite a confusing comment, especially the last 2 lines!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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the P-O-B
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 7:37:59 AM
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another thing too that is really starting to piss me off ( l am the Pissed Off B---ard ) all the info they put out .... didnt it make u all warm and fuzzy inside when they told us dont worry about your trophies , & friends list r still going to be there ( made my freakin day) l do not want to know when they r going to turn damn thing back on ..... they can erase every damn thing .... your friends list dont do u one bit of good with the network is OFF

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Qubex
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:20:25 AM

In the beginning I don't think Sony quite knew how deep this intrusion had gone. I think they were taken by surprise by this whole hack business, hence their knee jerk reaction of shutting PSN down when they detected fraud happening.

It will take sometime to figure this whole thing out. They have been doing "forensic" investigations into the hack, looking at I.P. trace routing and trying to understand who and how they got in. It takes time... but in the end they will have sorted it out.

Whilst they were doing their investigations and more of the intrusion was uncovered they released information systematically; it may have taken a bit of time, but these things do especially when you are doing "forensic" investigations with security firms and the FBI.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:28:11 AM

Qubex,

The funny thing is that the knee-jerk reaction you describe of shutting down PSN was probably the safest course of action possible and the one most likely to stop the hack. Imagine if they'd continued to try to tough it out like some corporates and others have done. Personally, my 'playbook' for dealing with an external attack on a network includes either terminating every point of entry or exit on the network, of terminating the entire service at the primary servers to stop the hack.

You and I have talked before about whether things can ever be hackproof, and I do agree that there is always the possibility of a hack, no matter how good your system is - although in a practical sense it can be practically impossible. Even so, there is always a chance, so you have to plan for that worst case scenario. If you're managing a very secure network and discover that despite the precautions you've taken, you have an intrusion. Isolating or immobilizing the network really ought to be the top priority. Don't you think?

Whether by design or coincidence, Sony's reaction was probably the best thing they could have done.

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Qubex
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:16:10 PM

Yes, very true Highlander... it was the safest action to take under the circumstances.

It may have jolted the gamers quite a bit, but what would one have done their situation. It was a kin to a terrorist attack. Out of the blue in some ways. Sony must have known they were a target after the first Anonymous attack, but heck they never expected such an attack via the back door such as the one that almost felled them.

I hope we get over this soon...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 7:06:05 PM

Indeed, I hope it all ends as soon as possible. Anonymous still contends that they are going to take further action against Sony, but I think that after this rather direct demonstration of the dangers of breached security, there are going to be a few less voices argeeing with them when it comes to people who (like Geohot) do little more than strip the security from a platform for the glory and ego-points. Anonymous may even find itself under far more criticism than it suspects. I mean, what better demonstration can there be of the dangers of breaking a platform's security than a major attack and data breach? I'm not specifically linking the two events, nor am I linking Anonymous to the attack. But I do think that a super-tanker load of context got added to the discussion with all of this.

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Heartless Angel
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 8:39:38 AM
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Bringing in the big guns

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GuernicaReborn
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 9:04:44 AM
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Hackers are programmers that didn't make it. They were hacks. Now, they're hackers.

Anyway, I'm surprised they still haven't gotten the network up and running yet. I'm assuming they're building a new security system from the ground up, that probably takes a long time. I wonder if Homeland Security is helping them with it?

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Beamboom
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 12:05:20 PM

No I'm pretty sure they focus their resources on scanning the net for traces of anyone having a database with psn users mail addresses and passwords they try to exploit, cause that's the major issue here.
Improving the psn security system is in comparison a piece of cake.

I hope they do this in cooperation with Google, then I actually think they got a fair chance of fetching these guys, *if* anyone tries something like this.

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:32:42 AM

I was musing on this and wondering how I could be able to tell whether a particular database had been compromised and stolen. Then it hit me, if you salt your data with some real looking but essentially fake data. Data that is otherwise as real as everything around it, but which you and your partners know is fake, and there. That way if someone claims to have stolen your database, you can actually determine it by looking at the data in the wild.

For example, I'm wondering whether Sony and the leading card issuers had a number of sleeper accounts in the credit card data base? So if the card numbers are taken and used, the card companies know about it immediately. The accounts would work, the idea is that they are a telltale indicator. A detection method, rather than prevention.

It would make a lot of sense to do that, and make it much easier to be definite about whether data has been taken or not.

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:32:42 AM

I was musing on this and wondering how I could be able to tell whether a particular database had been compromised and stolen. Then it hit me, if you salt your data with some real looking but essentially fake data. Data that is otherwise as real as everything around it, but which you and your partners know is fake, and there. That way if someone claims to have stolen your database, you can actually determine it by looking at the data in the wild.

For example, I'm wondering whether Sony and the leading card issuers had a number of sleeper accounts in the credit card data base? So if the card numbers are taken and used, the card companies know about it immediately. The accounts would work, the idea is that they are a telltale indicator. A detection method, rather than prevention.

It would make a lot of sense to do that, and make it much easier to be definite about whether data has been taken or not.

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Beamboom
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 4:41:35 AM

Now that is one incredibly clever idea. So simple, yet so effective!

It borders to impossible to think that Sony would have done this with psn and at the same time not bothered encrypting the *real* data, but do banks/credit card companies have such tricks up their sleeves?
I bet they do!

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the P-O-B
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 9:42:32 AM
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HEY THIS IS THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT ...... the only thing they r quick in doing is getting raises ..... I DIDNT STEEL NONE OF THERE CONTENT ! we shouldnt sit here till they figure out how they steel ..... TURN ON THE ONLINE GAMING .... then in 6 to 7 MONTHS from now when they figure out how to keep th hacks out .... they can turn on that stupid music scam back on .... THANK GOD I DIDNT THROW MY RECIEVER & C D PLAYER AWAY------ l be sitting here with no music TOO !!!!

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:33:41 AM

You know, the sad thing about posing as the pi55ed of b4st4rd, is that you pretty much surrendered any chance of being take seriously by talking about yourself in the third person.

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Qubex
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:17:47 PM

the P-O-B, who and what are you?

Q!

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RICHIECOQUI
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 11:05:44 AM
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Thank god i always use a pre- paid psn card!Sony will come out a stronger company then before!! I can't wait for E3 in june!!

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BIGRED15
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 3:31:44 PM
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@P-O-B
sure... right... yea lets turn the online gaming back on with a few patches and by 6 to 7 months, they'll "hopefully" have a well working security system by then? Sorry homeboy but it doesn't work this way. Something tells me you are just a little reliant on your precious PSN. If sony were to put the PSN back up now, it would probably be shut down again in 6 days by an even more crippling attack. if it takes a month for it to be fixed then so be it. Sony is completey dedicated to the customer on this and it needs to be handled with utmost caution.
Heres a suggestion pal: play, uncharted 2, MGS4, infamous, DS1 or DS2, Arkham Asylum, *cough throw away cod cough,* LBP2, GT5 *cough quit whining cough,* assassins 1,2,3, Mass effect. Wow I think ima get a ricola.

Homeland security plus FBI = a really squeamish hacker right about now. I dont see any of these guys making it out with at least 10+ years in the klink.

BTW who else wouldn't mind hearing about our little hacker friends being "secretly" shipped to an american territory like say... Guantanomo Bay? I vote yessssss

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KilledFirst
Saturday, April 30, 2011 @ 11:49:15 PM
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I'm annoyed that law enforcement is not arresting GoeHot. He broke into the "SECURITY KEYS" and posted them online. Whether the hackers used them or not I want to see him go down for this. For 5 years nothing was awry and then George hacks the Security Keys and all hell breaks loose on the PSN. Sounds to me like he is just as guilty as the group or individual who actually hacked the network. He gave them the tools to steal so he is guilty for inciting a riot essentially.

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Highlander
Sunday, May 01, 2011 @ 1:36:04 AM

The trouble is that right now, the government and law doesn't take the issue of digital security very seriously, so they leave it up to the individual companies to use the civil courts in those situations. Funny though how the same people that are too darned scared to frame and pass some useful laws covering the topic, are more than happy to demand things of Sony and rake them over the coals about this all. Sony is the victim here, remember? Yet they are being treated very much like the perpetrator, both in the media, and by politicians.

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