Forget It, Square Enix...I Don't Want A FFVII Remake
I've waffled on this subject but then again, I'm entitled...it has been a topic of conversation for a long time.
At first, I hated the idea. I stuck to my guns by saying it's sacrilege to go and mess with perfection; to needlessly overhaul what may be the most perfect role-playing game in existence. Then, after being introduced to the wonders of high-definition gaming and seeing "Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children," I pulled a complete 180 and suddenly craved the remake. I figured that if they only put a shiny HD coat on the game without touching the actual gameplay, it'd be amazing. Don't add anything; just maintain the greatness of the game at all costs and make it visually stunning. I assumed that was well within Square Enix's capability, and the fans would love it.
But now, I feel the bottom line is this- they've waited too long. FFVII is too old. I'm sorry, but it is. In order for the gameplay to appeal to an acceptable number of younger gamers - acceptable to warrant the project's existence - they would have to do away with the archaic turn-based mechanic. I love it to pieces; the hardcore fans love it to pieces, and there are younger gamers who might also love it to pieces. But look at the direction this industry is going: faster, faster, faster. It's all anyone seems to care about. Square Enix would not be able to help themselves; if they did a FFVII remake, they'd mess with it. I'm convinced of that now.
In which case, just leave well enough alone.
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5/8/2011 9:31:53 PM Ben Dutka
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JMO_INDY
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:15:14 PM
main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:41:25 PM
gangan19
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:01:48 PM
kitsune451
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 8:44:55 AM
Pandacastro
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:02:58 PM
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DazeOfWar
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:08:06 PM
MartyRules
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:11:29 PM
SayWord
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:28:27 PM
Sancho
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:33:01 PM
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:20:28 PM
Riku994
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:48:58 PM
Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:17:21 AM
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:30:24 AM
Scarecrow
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:29:45 AM
Miggy
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:02:57 PM
Stabs88
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 5:11:39 PM
Milonakis
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:49:30 AM
tes37
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:25:00 AM
hellish_devil
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:10:02 PM
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Also, look at Capcom, they did it with two of their biggest franchises. As far as I remember, Chris Redfield wasn´t all that big in RE1, but for RE5, he was all muscles, suspiciously really GearsofWar-like. And then they ask Ninja Theory to change the look of Dante, to make the complete opposite of what he used to be. We'd be lucky if SE used the Cloud model of Advent Children.
And after seeing what they did with FFXIII and Front Mission Evolved, it is better to keep FFVII as is... and the whole Squaresoft library too.
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SayWord
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:13:38 PM
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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:18:30 AM
Riku994
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:20:40 PM
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They'll probably announce the remake at E3 or TGS, push versus back for another 6 years, and disappoint everyone when FF7 doesn't even feel like FF7. "Wtf is materia? We use Crystarium now" Cloud: "..... I don't even WANT to be in this game." Yuffie: "W..What is this?"
main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:31:25 PM
main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:38:06 PM
main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:59:58 PM
Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:23:43 AM
A newly remade game would re-open negotiations on all of that.
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main_event05
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:12:21 AM
Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:44:09 AM
main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:28:45 PM
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Riku994
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:29:58 PM
main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:32:28 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:34:41 PM
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It's terrible too, when something so classic and perfect isn't good enough to keep around anymore because of an unfortunate trend in gaming.
gangan19
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:36:31 PM
Douchebaguette
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 10:47:03 PM
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Could they ever recreate that exact aura? Doubt it. The prerendered backgrounds alone is one important feature that would .automatically. be considered implausible nowadays. The outdated sound engine they used that helped define the overall feel and flow of the game would be no more. Whether the remake would be great or not is a different story.
Bluuerggh.
Fane1024
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:33:04 AM
That's why I don't see how they could even make FFVII with current, HD graphics like AC. The original is SO outdated graphically and the gameplay is SO tied to the presentation that I can't imagine a game that is both graphically new and faithful in terms of gameplay or feel.
It's the same reason why SRPGs all still look like Tactics Ogre.
If all you're gonna do is up-res the old art assets, why not just leave it as is? It wouldn't come close to looking like AC or something like Uncharted.
I can see a game that tells the same story using current technology, even with a modified sort of turn-based combat, but that likely wouldn't make the fans of FFVII happy.
It just seems like a lose-lose proposition to me, even if I thought S-E wouldn't drop the ball.
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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:00:45 PM
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main_event05
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:05:27 PM
Douchebaguette
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:11:27 PM
WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:23:53 PM
PorkChopGamer
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 4:27:23 AM
Douchebaguette
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:46:30 AM
Dreno
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:08:04 PM
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And I would still love an 8 over 7 remake.
But after rfeading this article, I agree with you ben. 100%.
They would mess it up. Theywould think they had to change elements of gameplay to match that of the interests of these "faster dumber" gamers. And that would seriously piss me off.
Infact, there is only 1 thing abput ff8 that I wouldn't mind changed, and that's the draw system, junctioning was fine, I liked that. But I didn't so muc likethe fact that you had to draw EVERYTHING unless you had the items to refine the spells from, and even then you needed to have x amount of the items to get x amount of spells.
S-E, itsprobably best if you just left gems like 7 and 8 alone. And let them go down as is in gaming history.
WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:26:28 PM
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That would be truly epic, XII was okay, but for my money X was the last game to have that quintessential warm and fuzzy FF feeling about it.
Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:35:11 PM
Dancemachine55
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:01:04 AM
I'm not overly interested in XII-2 or FF XIV online, and while I'm sure there's a hardcore following who would care, I wouldn't doubt that many feel the same as I do.
Instead of focusing so much on building other Final Fantasy games and saturating the market, why don't they focus on new numbered titles (XIII, XIV and XV) as single player PS3 exclusive excperiences (thanks to 360, we now have XIII-2 containing cut-out content) and perhaps FF VII and FF VIII remakes for the PS3 in 1080p?
I fail to see their logic in it taking longer than making a new Final Fantasy game, which is what they're doing now, unless they're saying their old titles were so good that modern day standards can't compare. I mean, the script is there!!! The story is written!! It's done!! The environment art is there, they just have to render it in 3D, which might take some time, but will be totally worth the effort!! The character models are complete!! Simply copy and paste from Advent Children and spend several months programming actions and dialogue to fit the game!!
It just makes so much sense to do a remake!! Why are Square being such idiots this gen?!?!
Red 5
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:27:46 PM
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Hehehehehe, it seem that Our Friend Ben was playing FFVII trying to found another "unused scene" of the Game.. Well, I haven't played from Start to Finish FFVII yet but, every time when I RE-play FFVI, the experience is just BEAUTIFUL. My niece really loves to play Disney's Aladdin and The Legend of Zelda - A Link to the Past (both for SNes). I believe that a game like FFVI could be AMAZING in a Remake. By the way, FFXIII wasn't THAT good and PS3 owners still have hope for FFvsXIII to be an EXCELLENT Game. FFXIII is "faster" enough for this generation but, It doesn't sell well, isn't? Maybe, maybe a Remake of FFVII could be what you and a LOT of people want.. even for the "new" generation of gamers.
Red 5.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:34:42 PM
Dancemachine55
Sunday, May 08, 2011 @ 11:49:52 PM
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Final Fantasy VII was all about the story, and it was one helluva fantastic story!! As long as the materia-system of the original is still in place, Instant Action would not be too bad. A button to strike with your weapon, a button to cast magic, a button to block temporarily, free-roaming around the enemy for strategic positioning, and perhaps a pop-up pause menu allowing you to select other magic types or abilities like GF's and items, along with swapping weapons or magic types while the action is paused.
I know it sounds a lot like the style of Dragon Age, but with a hi-def graphics coat, the materia magic system the same in the menus and the exact same story and script (with a revision of the lame script moments from 'comedic' characters), it could still be recognised as the FF VII everybody loved in the first place!!
Instant action and combat for younger audiences, with the ability to pause and cycle through weapons, magic, abilities and so on similar to the original game for older nostalgic players. Keep the menus similar to the original (except with a little more polish and character head models instead of the anime drawings next to their stats) and HEY PRESTO!!
I agree with many of you though, FF VII is my all time favourite game next to MGS, Uncharted 2, Sonic 2 and Mass Effect. Changing it would be borderline sacriligous.
But hey, incorporating the best features of other games in combat while maintaining the materia system and story for the fans would be fine by me.
(SPOILER ALERT!!!)
In the end, don't we just want to see the rising of Ultimate Weapon and the destruction of Shinra Headquarters in Midgar in 1080p HD? With the airship shaking around, Tifa's boobs bouncing everywhere and Barret diving to catch her? In 1080p?
Or the death of Aeris by Sephiroth's blade, and Cloud shaking in despair and fury with the EXACT SAME dialogue that was in the original? In 1080p? "Aeris!! This can't be real! SHUT UP!! The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing! Aeris is gone. Aeris will no longer talk, no longer laugh.... cry.... or get angry.... My fingers are tingling... my mouth is dry... my eyes are burning!!"
Just seeing that nearly brings tears to my eyes. To see that scene redone with Advent Children graphics, in 1080p, in full, same as the original with all dialogue intact....
That would be my dream come true...
Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:40:06 AM
;)
Aeris' death in FFVII is the only time an event in a game has been powerful enough to stop me in my tracks. I've never played past that point in the game, and had forgotten until I replayed on the PSP, and ran into the same issue - again.
Dancemachine55
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:01:03 AM
First time I played through that, I nearly died in that battle, even though it wasn't a tough boss, I was just too affected by her sudden death. And I was only 13 years old!!!
Same thing happened with me Highlander. I stopped playing every time I came to that scene, it almost felt like I couldn't go on without Aeris. She was dead. The world was doomed. She was the last Ancient, and she was gone forever.
Cloud's words could not have described the pain of her death any better.
I am yet to see a game where the player becomes THAT emotionally attached to a character. No other game has come close to making me feel the way I felt playing that scene.
The music and sound direction was incredible too, I think that along with Cloud's script made the perfect combination of a truly powerful moment, albeit, the very first emotionally powerful moment in a video game.
I guess all that put together is why it's gone down in history as the greatest video game moment. First time people played it in 1997, totally unexpected and far more powerful than by today's standards. Just goes to show you that fancy graphics and realistic physics can't make a great game by themselves. Today's gamers addicted to CoD have no idea. I miss the slower pace of the games of yesteryear.
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gunblademaster
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:26:43 AM
Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:46:50 AM
kraygen
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:36:13 AM
It made it feel, really feel, something about a video game. Moving past that moment was about helping the rest of the team make her life and her death have a point.
I loved her character, but her death in my mind is the single greatest moment in video game history.
WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:25:17 AM
marcusfrommo
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:50:07 AM
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AS for sequels or remakes, I would say "the mark of kri," "rise of the kasi," heavenly sword 2, and both maximos with move support.
Fane1024
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:53:40 AM
gunblademaster
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:04:43 AM
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Dancemachine55
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:11:32 AM
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1. Keep the static backgrounds of the original, but just improve their art style or up their resolution to 1080p
2. Replace the polygonal design of the in-game characters with Advent Children style characters in a higher resolution.
3. Smoother but similar characters movement and actions from these new better looking in-game characters.
4. Keep the conversation text bubbles of the original, no need to re-voice everyone.
5. Recreate all the FMV sequences in 1080p 60fps hi def with similar flare of the original but new and better lighting effects, particle effects and character detail. Same direction, better polish.
6. Have it as both a download on PSN or available on disc, and allow it to work on both PS3 and NGP.
7. Instead of MIDI music playing in the background, use the updated orchestral score from Advent Children and update other musical scores from the game to make it sound even more incredible. Use the same musical scores, but use orchestras instead of MIDI.
8. Update sound effects to hi-def 7.1 surround that give a better sounding pop and more realistic sounds than the MIDI sounds of the original. Actual gunshot sounds, real sword swishing and impact sounds, make it sound like a modern game.
Simple points that update the look but keep all the mechanics and gameplay of the original. I think points 1 and 2 are the most significant, as it will save recreating all environments in 3D, thus saving a lot of time and money.
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main_event05
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:15:52 AM
BigBoss4ever
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:29:48 AM
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i do take games out it when i see good ones (Uncharted, Demon's Souls, Heavy Rains...)in today's industry, if not, i play old classics and play it till the end, i can play turn based old school classic jrpg until i die, period, i don't have to follow the industry to the least. sorry industry, but that is my truth.
back to the topic, if a FFVII turn based remake, then it is more than welcome, if it remakes into the FF13ish or FFv13is fast pace this gen Squeeex junk, then forget about it and i am not sorry to the least to say it will suck.
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Scarecrow
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:34:04 AM
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They would really ruin everything that made FFVII great.
Barrett would turn from a funny bulky dude into a strong and serious guy. Cloud would go from being heroic in a quiet/shy way into an assertive and OVERLY heroic hero*
^That alone would really ruin Cloud's original appeal. He was never truly heroic, Aeris MADE him become the hero that he later became. He was inspired.
Anyway Square-Enix is dead. I hope Level-5 can mold White Knight Chronicles into a legendary series. Or at least I hope they take over the jrpg genre and completely replace Squeeenix.
Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:48:48 AM
Lotusflow3r
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:45:08 AM
Don't forget existing L5 franchises like Dark Cloud, Rogue Galaxy, Latter Dragon Quests, Professor Layton, Jeanne d'Arc.
Some of them titles defined RPG on their according consoles. Layton being a AAA title for DS.
They may concentrate on DS more, but with just two consoles they chose to work on, DS and PS, they have delivered a body of work vastly outstripping that of Enix and well on the way to matching SqSoft.
Second Land on PS3 will be the one that puts it right beside SqSoft and looks to be the best JRPG of the gen...and even IMO, possibly a top 5 RPG of all time.
Lofty expectations, but i'm very confident, given the extraordinary trailers.
Cole
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:08:50 AM
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I don't get it.. The games they've released on the DS and PSP have been great for the most part. It's just the stuff on the home consoles that suck..
LimitedVertigo
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:17:32 AM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:02:54 AM
shadowscorpio
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:34:55 AM
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Lawless SXE
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:52:50 AM
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I've heard everything that the people on this site, and indeed the internet over, have had to say on the state of Square-Enix, the legendary quality of FFVII and the disappointment of S-E's latest console offerings. I myself have begun playing through FFIV, and am sore tempted to try out FFX/X-2 in the near future, if I can cut my PS3 backlog (which is more than possible, given my newfound desire to buy only those games that I anticipate most, rather than adding a constant stream of new games to my collection) way down. So far, I'm definitely more invested in Cecil and Rosa than I ever was any of the characters of XIII, and I'm only about four hours into the game.
I know that FFIV isn't the best indicator of FFVII (and believe me when I say that the day I get back on PSN is the day that I get it, and play it with breaks only to do what is necessary), but as I mentioned before, the battle system from IV to XIII has simply been refined. Sure, it has been sped up somewhat, but that isn't actually a bad thing. Needing to work out your enemies has less of an influence in XIII, and that's saddening, but I definitely need to delve into IV more in order to get better acquainted.
I suppose I'm saying is that I trust Square-Enix to actually be able to do FFVII justice. Sure, they may make changes, but I do believe that it will be an improvement. If Nintendo can improve (based on what I've read from hands-on previews) one of the best games of all time in Ocarina of Time, then why should we doubt S-E? It may not be the same company, but they know the legacy that they created, and I'm sure that they will respect that and all the fans. Come on S-E, prove that Ben can indeed be wrong ;P
Peace.
gunblademaster
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:04:13 AM
kraygen
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:42:00 AM
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No I don't want SE to turn FF7 into some button mashing, squeaky voiced hero's, twitch loving, nightmare.
I would still love it though if we all got what we truly wanted from it. FF7 with advent children graphics.
PorkChopGamer
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 4:20:17 AM
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Yeah, there have been growing pains and a few missteps, but I have to have faith that there is a light for Square at the end of the tunnel. I have to believe that.
Jawknee
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:29:34 PM
___________
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 4:34:57 AM
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crash and R&C are my most wanted though.
though were already kinda getting a crash remake in the crash HD a fans doing with a cry engine 2 mod.
so id pick R&C.
but if your going to remake them, you have to completley redo the graphics.
not like what the collections have been, i mean create it with the ACIT engine.
if your going to redo it, make it look like a brand new ps3 game!
1,2,3, gladiator and both PSP titles, looking like ACIT would be freaking awesome!
Dancemachine55
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 9:22:49 AM
As for the rest... you're being pretty picky. When you come back down to Earth, then you might see that a Ratchet and Clank HD Collection is sufficient enough. I thought the God of War Collection was fantastic, even if the textures were from last gen.
You gotta be realistic about these things. The FF VII remake I pointed out above using upgraded static backgrounds, character models from Advent Children and an orchestral score to replace the old MIDI sound effects was a far more realistic portrayal of a remake that I would gladly accept.
As for redesigning an old game completely using a totally different engine, voice actors and the whole shebang, that's a massive risk from a financial standing point.
Lotusflow3r
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:48:28 AM
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Dancemachine55
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 9:25:51 AM
Lotusflow3r
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:04:49 AM
Underdog15
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 9:59:33 AM
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Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.
If you fear a FFVII remake, you will become angry once it is announced. Soon after you will begin to hate SE and all they have become. And once released, you will know only suffering.
Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.
Embrace the remake.
Oh, I'm afraid once your friends arrive, the remake will be quite... opperational!
Deathb4Dishonor
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:25:03 AM
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But only if square enix leaves it the same and just does it with advent children graphics... Blows my mind just thinking about it... But if squre enix was to start changing things about the game like gameplay, then i want nothing to do with it
Underdog15
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:09:43 AM
Not saying that's fair or right, but it's the way it is. I also think that says alot about the audience video games truly appeal to.
Fane1024
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:18:29 PM
They already made that game. It's called Final Fantasy VII. The great news is you can play it right now.
(If you don't want anything changed, why do you want a remake?)
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trinichinese
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:48:34 AM
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but with mgs4 graphics and menu system that story remains the same but the control would be like mgs4 with the menu system like part 4 smarter ai its not imposable to do they have the tech
godsdream
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:53:36 AM
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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:58:59 AM
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Fane1024
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:23:25 PM
Alienange
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:28:21 PM
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What I WOULD take though, is a FFVII sequel. Oh yes I would!
kitsune451
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 8:42:52 AM
My problem however is that while they've been making all these other games (Dissidia, Dirge of Cerberus, Crystal Chronicles) they could have easily taken FFXIII's engine and made a FFVII remake. Would the amount of time it took be worth it? Well if it was worth it to make FFXIII I sure as hell hope it's worth it to remake FFVII.
Nas Is Like
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:43:18 PM
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But I don't want them to make it for the profit, I want them to re-make it for the satisfaction of many gamers/fans of the game out there. Myself being one of them. I've played a lot of differnet games before, and FF VII is still my #1 favourite.
kitsune451
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 8:38:35 AM
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Arukugatari
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 6:03:18 PM
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Monday, May 16, 2011 @ 6:30:16 PM
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