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Sony: Full Restart Of PSN Date Is "Unchanged"

It's taking longer than initially predicted for Sony to bring the PlayStation Network back online, but they say the planned "full restoration" date is unchanged.

We just never knew of an actual day: apparently, according to what Sony boss Shigenori Yoshida told Bloomberg, they're "uncertain" of when the services will resume. That being said, the plan to "restart the services fully by May 31 is unchanged," a statement that has apparently been giving a lot of reporters problems. Most are posting the May 31 date as if it's some sort of new, heinous revelation, while one would've assumed that the word "unchanged" meant... Well, don't you know what it means? They always said the Store and other services wouldn't return until later this month.

At the same time, it is indeed true that we were supposed to have received partial service last week, and that didn't happen. In a new update at the PlayStation Blog, we learn that when Sony first made that prediction, they weren't aware of the extent of the damage.

Tags: psn, psn outage, playstation network, sony

5/9/2011 10:29:21 AM Ben Dutka

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Dead_Starr
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:44:15 AM
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May 31 is gonna replace X-mas on my calendar.

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Doppel
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 4:13:49 PM

Keyword here is "Fully."

They can restart online multiplayer early, bring friends list a little later, messaging a little more later, then finally all the store contents next week, then all the treats and rewards by 31.

Technically, They restored PSN 100% (fully) by May 31, just launched it stage by stage over time.

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Sakaxxxx
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:48:48 AM
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They better not delay it again

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D1g1tal5torm
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:49:35 AM
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another 3 wks - jes.

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Fane1024
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:45:13 PM

Did you read the article?
Or the title of the article?

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city96
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:50:14 AM
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I hate how everyone blames SONY for getting HACKED!! MS have been hacked but they gain money from people paying for their service.

Maybe now, thinking back they should have made a paid service longer ago.

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main_event05
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:10:30 AM

Microsoft if it's Windows related its been hacked, cracked, or mass pirated but no one seems to care about that.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:12:36 AM

huh? Making it a pay service wouldn't have helped any.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:18:48 AM

Noone blame Sony for being hacked, city96. Some of us do however at least consider the question that Sony may be to blame that the hack became this serious, and with such prolonged downtime.

And World is right in that psn being a pay service or not has absolutely nothing to do with this. It has not.

And main_event: I care. So, I use Linux ;)

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Neo_Aeon666
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 6:46:16 PM

I am not blaming sony for being hacked but I am blaming them for not having proper backup plan in case a thing like this occured.

They are digitalising content more and more so you would think they would have backup plans to restore services from some backup servers. Like those servers could be more basic but still let you enjoy your games. I think if they want to keep forcing us to buy digital content they will have to make sure they can offer their costumers alternate options in case of emergency. But I am pretty sure they will learn from this... Kinda had to happen for them to realize it no?

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JBLAZE
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:51:07 AM
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ahhhhhhhhhhhh i swear i am going crazy. i am about to loose it. I need my network up and running. this has taken way to long. i love Sony and their products but i finished every game i own. now i am buying games just to keep me sane. i need something to keep me busy so i dont kill my tenage daughter.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:13:41 AM

maybe you should take that girl to get some ice cream or something, settle down man :)

I understand the frustration though.

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BikerSaint
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:51:40 PM

Jblaze,

<<<<i am buying games just to keep me sane.>>>>

Well isn't that the whole idea of playing games? LOL

Anyway, you'll still be buying more games once the PSN is up anyway.

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Wissam
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:51:14 AM
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I am starting to wonder how much damage these
hackers have done to the network. that was the
most unpleasant event that happened to the ps brand ever. I am still waiting for PSN to comeback.

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:51:59 AM
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I've been keeping myself occupied with Final Fantasy VII but I am almost done with it, and that is beating the Weapons, maxing every character to level 99 and every stat to 255, mastering every single materia...even the Enemy Skill materias, and getting 99 of all the items that you possibly can. Next I will move on to Final Fantasy IX and see what type of damage I can do on that.

I know it's the unpopular opinion, but I am kind of getting tired of seeing "Playstation Network is down for maintenance" all the time.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:14:24 AM

Wouldn't it be nice if you got trophies for doing all that?

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:31:07 AM

It really would be. I would love to hear the trophies pop for all that hard work, but oh well.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:02:49 PM

I didn't know that before, that u have to be online via PSN to enable the trophy support for the one time and the rest is history.

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:42:33 PM

Wait what? I popped in Portal 2 after the shutdown and have been getting trophies albeit I can't sync them.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 4:48:03 PM

huh? I just meant for FFVII

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 6:13:43 PM

I was responding to Alexander. I haven't had any issues obtaining trophies for games when I did have an internet connection. Though I guess it's possible for some games to be like that

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 8:27:28 PM

So it seems that u have to be online to be able to sync trophy support. Guess I found that out when I popped in Uncharted years ago.

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kraygen
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 8:47:03 PM

you have to be on the network to sync trophies with the network, but you still get the trophies if offline, it will just sync next time you sign in.

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faraga
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:52:31 AM
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I hope that at least the online gaming is back up a bit sooner, my spare time gets more boring every day.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:53:34 AM
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Everyone should note the "full restoration" part. That's for ALL PSN services. Chances are, you'll be playing online well before May 31.

Why are people deliberately missing the words "full" and "unchanged" in this news today?

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Dead_Starr
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:56:31 AM

It's my new X-mas because it'll be back and fully operational by then :D

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:56:51 AM

I noticed the same thing in a few articles also Ben. Had to stop reading the news because of it. well, gaming news anyway. It seems the popular thing to do is sensationalise everything and make this seem like a bigger deal than it is.

Granted, we were supposed to have some functionality back already, but I distinctly remember Sony coming out and saying that the restoration would be a process and not everything would come back all at once.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:07:15 AM

Thank you for pointing that out. I don't want people to think we have to wait another month to log on. I'm glad you have clarified the "full restoration" part of it!

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jimmyhandsome
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:12:26 AM

I dunno, Ben, probably because 1) most journalists (I'm looking at you, IGN) will spin a story to create as much controversy as possible for site traffic and 2) the people that fall for it post ridiculous comments about how this is the end of the world and panic ensues exponentially. Any level-headed comments about what was ACTUALLY SAID gets buried by the idiotic comments.

I'm way behind sick of this whole ordeal. The hackers. PSN being down. Identity theft. BS "timelines" for service restoration. I would just like it to be over so I can play f***ing Socom 4 online (I KNEW I should've waited for a price drop with that one!) and so the internet can talk about something else.

Whatever, in the meantime I capitalized on the $34.99 Portal 2 price drop on Amazon. I should have it later in the week.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:17:19 AM

I'm trying to stay positive, but so long as that is the date for the return of all services, it basically means that should it be necessary, online gaming won't return until then as well.

That's fine with me if that's how long it takes to fix it of course, but people get antsy when that could even possibly be the date when online play returns.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:30:17 AM

I agree with World, they have been *very* vague on this and not stated what part of msn will be up before may 31st.
And quite frankly, now I would not be surprised if it turns out that *most* psn functionality will be unavailable until next month.

That's me being pessimistic, true, but it's also me drawing conclusions based on our experience so far.


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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:42:39 AM

Ok Sony has said this whole time that online gaming is the first part of tue restoration of the PSN. Online gaming along with trophy synching and friends list will be te first part of the PSN to go up an live. The rest including the PSstore will come at a later date presumably by May 31.

Here is the quote again from Cardinal Rose, US Playstation community moderator, via twitter- "For those of you asking: the 31st is the aim for all the PSN services to be restored....(cont)...& restoration of Online game-play across the PS3 & PSP is the first phase of that restoration plan. Online gaming will return before May 31st."

Pretty clear what he means by that.


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Temjin001
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:50:52 AM

IGN and 1up are merging into one large poisoned gelatinous slime.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:54:37 AM

@bigrailer: ... Yeah that means that online gaming could be back 30th of may. Really, it could. That's how vague it is.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:57:21 AM

Really it could mean it would be up tomorrow... I mean come on now.

I'm just trying to help everyone stay informed. These are straight from the source and not by a 3rd party. Nothing is tampered with and these are te facts straight up. I'm just trying to give logical reasons by providing sufficient information, instead of speculation.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:03:41 PM

jimmy: Yeah, I've made it plain how tired I am of this whole thing.

And you'll love Portal 2. :)

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:10:02 PM

The reason people miss those words is that they scan the story and catch what they want from it. People are currently pre-disposed to being impatient and critical of Sony because of the extended downtime. I understand the feelings, but when people mis-interpret news articles and announcements because they are too impatient to read and comprehend, it does no one any good.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:12:16 PM

@bigrailer: Indeed it could. But how reliable has the source been in this matter? So what are the chances now that the services will be up sooner than later? I mean really, I am too relating to the facts here. And above all the fact here is that we know *very* little straight facts about both what's happened, what's being done and what problems they have encountered. *That's* the hard facts here.

@High: We do not mis-interpret anything - we relate to the same fact as you guys in this matter - we only draw different conclusions.

@ben: Dude, we all are, regardless of our stance in this matter. It will be such a wonderful day when this is behind us.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:27:38 PM

Your absolutely right the chances are very slim it'll be up tomorrow, I'm just saying their is a very broad time frame in which things can happen. Me saying it'll be up tomorrow is just as skeptic as you saying it'll be up the 30, I'm just trying to be more optimistic.

Again all I'm trying to do is offer information, straight from the source. After that you can perceive it as you see fit. But don't let it get re-configured, like a lot of web sites are doing. A lot of people are taking that may 31, date and running with it, and that's what you're seeing.

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:38:32 PM

Beamboom,

No names or finger pointing from me here. We're all prone to scanning stories and missing details or context occasionally. On this particular topic though, reading here and especially elsewhere on the PSN topic the majority of readers and writers do exactly what I said, and it does everyone a disservice.



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BikerSaint
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:00:13 PM

Ben,
I think it's because they want to miss those words.

At least almost all of you have a working PS3 to game on!

Hey, I'll tell you all what....

Any complainer can send me your PS3 & you'll no longer have to worry how long the PSN will take to get up.

Soooo...no more worry's for you, & at the same time, I can actually get started some on my massive PS3 S/P backlog.

See? Problem solved!

Just don't send it by the Planet of the Apes(AKA f*cked-up United States Postal Di-Service).

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tridon
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:54:34 AM
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May 31st, eh? I guess I better clear some room on my hard-drive because that's going to be one MASSIVE PS Store update!!! :O

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dkmrules
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:58:36 AM
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Damn, if this is true then it will be 41 days without psn!

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:00:28 AM

Without "full" PSN. I suspect that means we will be seeing online gaming sooner, since Sony did say that would be one of the first features coming back. I can deal without the PSN store for a while if I can get online and play.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:09:34 AM

It does mean we will be able to log on sooner. Online gaming, trophy synching and thefriends list are the first part of the restoration. That part of it will be up before may 31. This is just a date for full functionality of the PSN!

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Clamedeus
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 6:44:34 PM

I don't think the PS store would have an impact on people if they can play online, I believe right now millions of people just want to game, so I don't think the PS Store would be a most want right now.

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OG_DUBY
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:02:06 AM
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Updated: Whilst May 31 is the date that Sony aim to return full functionality to the PSN service including the PSN Store, you guys are reading this wrong...Online CAN be back BEFORE May 31st....remember how they said once online is back they will still need time to fix the PS store.....SO this a date on when the PSN will be FULLY not just the online

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:03:04 AM

I think that was the entire point of the article bud.

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Fane1024
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:56:27 PM

...and yet a bunch of people who are commenting on that article have completely missed the point of it.

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whosthedoc
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:02:50 AM
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Someting isn't jiving with what Sony is telling us. They say that they are building an entirely new system, but say the launch delay is a result of how much damage was done to the old one. If you are replacing a wrecked car, the time to buy a new one doesn't depend on how much the old one is wrecked. It seems to me that they are trying to patch the old one up instead of building a new one, and we were told the new one was faulted from the beginning from several reports. I think I liked the idea of a new seytem built from the ground up.

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:06:02 AM

The car analogy is a bad one. With a car that is wrecked, yeah you buy a new one. With a network or any software for that matter that is being rebuilt, you utilise what you have. If they just built up a new network from scratch, they might miss holes from the old one and it would take just as long to build the new one as it did this one. What they are doing is utilising the old code, fixing exploitable bugs and holes, adding layers of protection, and revising the code. So, as they find out more about how the network was compromised they are probably having to go back and patch things they didn't find in the first place.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:56:13 AM

... Yeah, plus, if they had to rebuild the software from scratch it would take a *month*!

Oh wait... ;)


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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:11:06 PM

The car analogy doesn't work at all, unless when you replace your car, you decide to replace it with a kit car that you personally build...

Sony is rebuilding/re-engineering PSN from the ground up. That takes time.

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coverton341
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:13:50 PM

Lol beam. I wish I could code a network in a month. Hell, I wish I worked on a team of coders that could code an entire network infrastructure in a month.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:25:22 PM

Hehe yeah well it was a joke. :)
Although, they *are* indeed rebuilding from the ground up.
Come to think of it, it really depends on how you define a "network". I could create a password protected web site with some basic functionality within *minutes*. That could be called a "network" too. If you catch my drift... :)

What I think is strange here is that it seems the different components of the psn functionality sounds to be like one large patchwork, intervened with each other in a mess of a code. And that may indeed be why they now have to create it all over.

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:34:26 PM

Beamboom,

It sounds like a two phase restoration where the initial restoration is the basic network infrastructure including authentication. The financial transactions and commerce elements of PSN will be restored once the basic network is up. That makes some sense since the commerce servers and store are clearly not on the same servers used for online play and authentication.

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:49:10 PM

@Highlander: I agree, authentication will have to get in place first. But what puzzles, or rather alarms me, is that they are so vague on everything.

For instance the network play part of psn. As far as I am able to judge that service is pretty much limited to a) access your friends list, and b) forward requests to the actual game server (for example in regards to match making). That's it. This should be a object running pretty much independent of everything else.

Same goes with the transactions: That should affect *only* the psn shop. Heck, it should even be possible to turn off the transaction part of the shop without shutting down the entire shop (it should still be browseable).

I do of course not know *anything* about the inner beings of psn. It was not me who hacked the site :)
But this is a very common, object oriented way of thinking that I dare say most modern platforms are build upon. At least if I apply website logic to it, as that is what I am most experienced with.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 8:04:33 AM

... And just to draw the conclusion: Since Sony is so very vague on this whole issue, not being able to pinpoint any more details after all this time than that "parts of psn should be up and running sometime the coming three weeks" indicates to me that psn was one ugly pile of patch work. Had it not been, I'd say part of psn should *already* be up a long time ago. Maybe not the most essensial parts, maybe not even the parts we expect to see first. But *something* should be up by now.

But of course, Sony will *never* confirm such things in public. They will indeed hide behind words like "complicated", "extensive testing", "utmost care" etc. Plus a few other words from the marketing department.


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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:05:04 AM
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Wow. FFS this is getting ridiculous. May 31st? lol E3 is going to be embarrassing for them.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:10:39 AM

Err how is that? And by the way may 31 is the date for FULL PSN restoration, we will be able to log on and play before that date.

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Jawknee
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:14:14 AM

How so?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:20:21 AM

yeah it is pretty close to E3, it would have been nice to have this be an OLD story by the time E3 rolls around, but I'm hoping Sony's stellar lineup will beat Microsoft's typical "Call of Duty is a 360 exclusive" presentation anyway.

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:11:34 PM

So, when online play returns much sooner than May 31st, will you come back and retract?

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:20:59 PM

Highlander, if online gaming is back before the mid of may (15th) I will eat my hat and post it on youtube.

So, your turn. What will you do in return, if it takes longer? ;)

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:30:43 PM

What will I do? I'll say, well, my guess was wrong. I'm advising patience because I've never taken any of their dates as concrete in all of this. I hoped that they would get PSN active again last week, but when the SOE hack was discovered on Monday, I knew that the clock would have to be reset because all the testing they'd already done would need to be redone once the SOE hack was fully analyzed.

So, yeah, if they don't have PSN back up for online play this week, I'll happily acknowledge that my expectation was wrong. What more would you expect?

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:54:35 PM

Aaah come on, don't be such a bore! Offer something in return that will turn some heads around here, a stunt, something entertaining!
Something that will give us all a lasting, happy memory of this crisis! Something that shows there is a human being behind this mystic nick "Highlander".

;)



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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:59:55 PM

Well, I could wear a kilt that day and tell everyone I was swinging my pleats to recognize my failure....

:)

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Beamboom
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:50:33 PM

LOL!

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:12:38 AM
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I know that?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:18:40 AM
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I only need to survive until a week from tomorrow, there's no online in L.A. Noire :)

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YesterdysRising
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:26:00 AM

Same with me. As well as The Witcher 2 for PC :)

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dkmrules
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:51:55 AM

As long as they dont completely remove gta style free roam it will be legit

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zork
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:25:00 AM
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E3 is just around the corner, PSN being down after 31st...dont think sooo.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:25:08 AM
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What World said, people will still have this in their minds y the time E3 rolls around. This will leave a bad taste of PSN in everyone's mouth.

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Sancho
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:31:12 AM
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I'd just like to message friends and sync my trophies. I can wait for the store.... I need to save my money anyway.

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Kiryu
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:34:40 AM
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What a shame MotorStorm Apocalypse online was awesome.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:37:59 AM

How do you know?

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Kiryu
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:43:25 AM

correction would have been awesome.

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SayWord
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:45:02 AM

Because it was released in other regions first.

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tlpn99
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:06:07 PM

It was good it was released here in the UK and I played on it a few times with my friends. Pure fun :)

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Temjin001
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:41:09 AM
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'Temjin, don't give in and download Tekken 6 off Live to get you fix. Temjin don't give in and download Tekken 6 to get your fix. Temjin don't give in and....'

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:50:33 AM

Why not? You might as well now. Who knows how long till we have PSN back up. I can understand why you want to hold out though, the Xbox controller sucks for Fighters.

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Temjin001
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:59:14 AM

Because I already own T6 on PS3.
Spending another $20 isn't something I wanna do.

And who plays Tekken on Xbox? That's like playing FF on Xbox. Something about that doesn't feel... right.

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YesterdysRising
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:41:30 AM
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I wonder if Sony might try to sneak in a new feature or two while all this going on. That would be a nice surprise.

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CH1N00K
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:52:12 AM

I've heard rumours of cross game chatting with 3D telepathic functions being added in...and something about it having a salsa dispenser added too..but it wasn't from a very reliable source..

Last edited by CH1N00K on 5/9/2011 11:52:26 AM

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RadioHeader
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:43:09 PM

"but it wasn't from a very reliable source" *sauce*

cross game chat = meh
salsa dispenser = win

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Clamedeus
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 6:53:40 PM

I wouldn't mind both. :)

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FM23
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:49:35 AM
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Yeah, after all this time...I have lost interest in some of my MP games like KZ3, GT5 and Transformers WFC. I'm guessing alot of people might feel the same way. May 31, by then I might not even care to start playing these games again as I'm so use to not having the PSN. Sony losing 'interested gamers' right now.

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Excelsior1
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:56:05 AM
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we were expecting some services back up last week so people seem to be overreacting to this report and missing the word unchanged. sony did say they were in the final stages of internal testing, right?

i just want this ordeal to be over. it's detracting on what was shaping up to be a great year for the ps3, and is creating a real drag on the brand.

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Deathstriker
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:56:37 AM
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All in all, I think with a new firmware to hit... If Sony DID add in some new feature's that are actually "Useful" to just about everyone...

I think that would give them some brownie point's.

As for reporter's talking sh** and just placing the blame on Sony as if they hired hacker's to jump in.

They can suck a di**....

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 5/9/2011 12:04:57 PM

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:16:47 PM

the problem is that news reports generally do very little in setting context. So without context a report about a May 31st date makes it sound like everything is in limbo until then. What I hate about that kind of reporting is that both the reporters and readers work without context and conclude that the May 31st is the new date for restoration of PSN services of any kind. They forget that there is a phased re-introduction of PSN that will begin with online play as soon as Sony can make it happen. Instead of remembering that Sony said originally that it would take longer for things like the Playstation store to return, people (journalists included) conflate the May 31st date for total restoration with the as yet unknown date of online play restoration and suddenly May 31st is reported as the date for PSN online access.

The truth is that online play will be restored as soon as Sony and their third parties are satisfied that the network is secure and the user authentication process is secure, and the new firmware will not brick PS3s. The rest of PSN and possibly even a second firmware update will follow in due course.

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daconverse
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:08:43 PM
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is sony starts charging then people would really leave ps3 alone.

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Clamedeus
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 6:58:16 PM

I don't think they would anyway though. :)

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CrusaderForever
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:14:32 PM
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Brink will be delivered tomorrow. I am hoping PSN MP, friends and trophies will be up by tomorrow. I don't doubt the store will be offline until 5/31. I will be fine as I will start the single player. But it would be great to get a new game and be able to play it online right away. Also, I guess you can platinum Brink 100% offline with bots. But I won't do that as I enjoy playing against real people more.

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BIGRED15
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:19:32 PM
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I gotta feeling that when kaz hirai Jack tretton get on the E3 stage that people are going to freak out as bad as the whole NFL draft fiasco. Haha goodell got booed pretty hard. Other than that E3 will still manage to be great. If the 31st is indeed the intended full restoration deadline, there will likely be a message Sony's is going to want to send to its users in their E3 presentation.

With this whole s**tstorm still going on i have just i few fears left that i need cleared up...
1) since my old ps3 is pushin up daisies, how will i be able to access my original account with the new update on my 120GB?
2)whats the likelyhood sony could go under with this mishap? I know they're a multibillion dollar co. but they are loosing credibility by the minute at this point.
3) are major Ps3 exclusive developers going to start making deals with other consoles if they start loosing faith in sony? Brink, MK portal are games that have fallen victim of this
4)what effect will this have on sony's future? Will it delay PS4 behind the next gen of consoles like last time? will online servers become baren with all the people supposedly "switching?"

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:27:32 PM

As long as the PS3 your PSNID is currently registered to is active, you should be OK. however even if that's not the case, there will be an email based reset process, much like there already was to reset your password if you lost it. But of course you need access to the email address associated with your PSN ID. If you de-activated your dead PS3 when you got your replacement, you should be good to go.

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Lord carlos
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:19:42 PM
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Well i guess i'm in for some more aches & pains untill LA noir comes out.

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:25:33 PM
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At risk of being called a Sony loyalist again...sigh. Let me just say that Sony always stated that FULL restoration of PSN services - including the store would take longer than restoring online play would. So the May 31st target is the date for FULL restoration and hasn't changed since they started the process of rebuilding.

The point is though that online play will be restored before the restoration of FULL PSN services. But, for the online play to be restored Sony and their third party specialists need to be convinced that PSN is secure and the authentication process is secure. Sony also has to be certain that the mandatory firmware update that forces a password reset, doesn't brick PS3's left and right.

Finally, Sony was in the middle of testing for restoring online play when they discovered the attack on SOE last week. That set them back to the beginning again. they had to fully investigate the SOE breach in case there was additional technical information that required changes in the new PSN security, then once those changes were made everything has to be re-tested - again. So they lost at least a week of work due to that. I'd guess that online play will return this week, about a week later than originally planned because of them restarting their testing after the SOE breach was discovered.

I'll say no more at risk of being told I pander to Sony too much. I guess being patient and professional is no longer in fashion.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:31:22 PM

I've tried pointing this out. It seems I was called a Sony sympathizer by saying so. But that's ok, when in reality I'm just trying to shed some light and common sense on the matter.

At this point though I do wonder what they may need to see for them to deem the PSN safe again?!?!

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:51:53 PM

Bigrailer,

I have no idea what people want to see from Sony. It seems to me that people don't really know that answer themselves, apart from wanting their PSN back. Personally if Sony rushed things back into service I would be more concerned over their future security. The fact that it's taking longer tells me that they are being thorough - which is a good thing.

It's like I've said to Qubex and others before; OK, nothing is hackproof, but it can be made so difficult and time consuming to hack that it's simply not worth it. Like everything though, there system could be hard to hack and a persistent and highly motivated attacker could still break in. The other emphasis is detection and warning.

After all that has transpired, I'll go on record as saying that when PSN is restored it will be one of the most secure public networks around - precisely because it got hacked and rebuilt. It will also be one of the most closely monitored networks, for the same reasons.

But how can Sony demonstrate that they are taking this careful approach - other than by doing it and then keeping it up to date as time passes? In the end, time heals all wounds, and this will take time. That's the only way, really.

Perhaps it's a paradox, but generally, the safest networks are the ones that have already been hacked and have been rebuilt and secured. You don't know how good your security really is until someone attacks you. When someone does attack, it shows you the vulnerable spots and you rebuild around them, and mitigate them as much as possible in the rebuild - making your system more, not less secure.

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bigrailer19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:58:59 PM

I agree with you 100%. I am not one to rush something like this for the reasons you mentioned. The fact it is taking time tells me, as you obviously noticed, that Sony is being thorough. I don't want the PSN back up until it is as secure as possible. When Sony feels it's safe then that's when ill gladly log back in.

Hate to cut it short but class is starting! ;)

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Clamedeus
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:13:49 PM

In my opinion, people should be patient and act professional about things. But, that never happens which is pretty sad that people don't have adequate patience to deal with these things.

It makes me wonder what's going to happen in the near future and how people will act when patience of people are thin or nonexistent.

It can't be a good thing can it?

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Radiohead
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:43:19 PM
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I could wait, yakua 4 is arriving today from amazon so im gonna be busy with that.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:48:49 PM
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Guess I'll go for the GOW2 plat.

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FPSAddict
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 12:54:15 PM
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Hi.I, along with millions of others cannot wait to go back online with the PS3.I also want to synch several trophies which I've gained.To be honest though, I personally am not too bothered about compensation or this talk of 'free games to download', however when it is finally brought back online I'd like it to be safe, secure and not vulnerable to further attack. I did contemplate getting an Xbox but was abruptly brought to my senses and decided against it lol.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:14:25 PM

Nothing wrong with opening up your options. Besides, if you live up to your username, the Xbox is perfect for you.

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Oxvial
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:14:50 PM
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Some people are trolling saying the online comes back til 31...with the bragging rights quote

''You get what you pay for with online services.''

LOL

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Clamedeus
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:19:23 PM

I hate trolls that are like that. You get thousands of them on YouTube, I can't even watch a PS3 game on YouTube without some 360 fan boy making dumb remarks, and they say that exact same thing what you just posted and other things.

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Bloodysilence19
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:39:55 PM
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i think most people now just want to play online again. everyone ive been reading comments from are starting to get really annoyed without gaming online. waiting for full service of psn to be back up at the end of may sucks, but im over it now. ive been enjoying play diablo 2 on pc again.

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BIGRED15
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 1:52:53 PM
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@highlander
That raises another question. I got the yellow light playing UC2 so as far as deactivation goes, I was never able to do that unless Sony deactivated it for me. After that I just plugged in my email+ password into the new system and started it up. Didn't realize that the old one needed to be deactivated...

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:42:10 PM

You will still be OK, either your newer PS3 which you're the master account on will work for you, or the email reset process will work.

There are a couple of ways to de-activate an old or dead PS3. You can (IIRC) access the activated devices list in the user admin menu on your PS3, or perhaps more easily (I did it this way) you can go to the main PSN or Qriocity site, sign in with your PSN credentials (after the reset) and then access your account detail, including activated systems. Then you can deactivate the old system that died.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 4:16:31 PM

@ Hitghlander, how exaclty do you do this process? How do you deactivate a dead Ps3 from the website? By the website do you mean the official playstation website? us.playstation? Are you sure this is possible? Sorry for too many question marks!

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Highlander
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 10:13:54 PM

Very fair questions. I know the process works because I purchased a refurb'd PS3 60GB that was unfortunately damaged in transit - though I didn't know that when I got it. When it arrived it showed no visible sign of damage, but within 4 hours of being turned on it had crapped out thanks to a dying GPU. Apparently the untrained apes that handle packages within the USPS had treated it badly enough that the heat sink had separated from the GPU.

Either way I had already added my master account and activated the system. I found a link in a google search to the main Qriocity site, and logged in. There in your account information you can edit the device list for activated devices, and even change what they are activated for; games, video and/or music. I'd point you at the location, but obviously it's all offline right now. Once it comes back up I'll find the site again and put up a post in the forum about it with links - assuming I can remember to do so.

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maxpontiac
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:10:33 PM
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Good thing I have single player games to play. Online isn't everything you know.

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Naztycuts
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 2:15:14 PM
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Now that they mention they "didn't know the extent of the damage", it makes me wonder what it is the hackers have actually gotten in and done. I know Sony doesn't have a small team of idiots sparingly working on getting it back up either, so if it's taking this long either they've done significant damage or they're just being really thorough in their testing to make sure this doesnt happen again anytime soon.

I hate to see how much money they're losing from the Store and SOE being down, I'm thinking that if a company worth as much as Sony is, is down for this long it had to be something pretty fierce. They don't want to post losses and if they know they have to, they're going to want them to be minimal, I think they've passed that point in their online division.

I can't wait until all this is over with, but in the meantime I'll get back to building characters for Demon's Souls for when the network is back up. Thanks Sony! I'm gonna have some pvp beasts! lol

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Helghast
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:04:56 PM
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I see a lot of people saying they are going to switch to xbox, when I see that I just laugh. If you have nothing that attracts you about PlayStation like exclusives, features, and reliability and you are willing to switch just because you cant play COD for a couple of weeks, then good riddance!
It seems a lot of people don't understand that there are games other than COD, and even COD has some offline modes if you absolutely must play it, but God forbid if some of these kids don't have their COD online, they throw a hissyfit.

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Clamedeus
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:51:21 PM

I believe you can do LAN with CoD. I seen some guy on JustinTV play online with people.

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gray_eagle
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:24:41 PM
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im in no rush, i've lost everything anyways, trophies, dlc etc.
i had a psn id stolen than banned. another psn id i used an email address that does'nt work.
ontop of that, i have a ps3 "still" waiting to be shipped off for repair or replaced and another ps3 that needs babying. so, i'm in no rush for psn to come back on.

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Minishmaru
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 3:37:40 PM
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I wonder how much Socom has changed in terms of sales thanks to the hackers. I wanted Brink on the PS3...I guess I'll xbox it this time (rent that is ;P)

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tlpn99
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 7:09:23 PM
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I can wait for them to fix it. I daily plug my PS3 via the ethernet and then see under maintenance. I then switch off and play on Xbox online if I wish to play online mainly MW2 or Blops or I'll leave the PS3 on and continue with some SP Portal or GTA4 or Just Cause 2. I need to finish Crysis 2 at some point too.

No rush Sony take your time and get it right the majority of us will be here waiting for you when you are back online :)

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Lairfan
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 8:38:37 PM
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Well, at least I'll have a crapload of platinums to sync when I get back online. This PSN down time has been the best help to me for getting all the easy platinums in my collection (like Enslaved, Vanquish, etc). Plus, I've replayed Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2, and inFamous, and I've had a hell of a lot of fun doing it.

Only bad thing is that I can't play all the new demos coming out (like Red Faction: Armaggeddon's), but if waiting means extra security, then once again I'm all for that.

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kraygen
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 8:54:53 PM
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After reading this article and most of the comments I have come to the conclusion that I can still be blown away by how dense some people are.

Basically nothing has changed since sony's comment that they are in final testing and yet people are acting like this means nothing is coming back until may 31st.

I'm just going to close my eyes, put my head down, shake it sullenly, and go to a non psn article now.

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BikerSaint
Monday, May 09, 2011 @ 11:26:47 PM
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Ha, what comes around goes around....
Anon's servers get hacked by one of it's own


The hacker's hacked: Main Anonymous IRC servers invaded

War rages between competing factions within the hacker collective Anonymous after this weekend's drama-filled takeover of the main Anonymous IRC server network. That network, used by Anons to plan and conduct attacks, was taken over by one of its own, an IRC moderator known as "Ryan."

His attack has sparked a debate over the "leadership" of Anonymous.


Read the full article here:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/the-hackers-hacked-main-anonymous-irc-servers-seized.ars

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bigrailer19
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 12:30:45 AM

I read that earlier too. This whole things is just completely out of control! Their parents need to grow up and kick them out of the basement. Sorry that's un-fair maybe some of them are mature adults! Douche bags!

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Qubex
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 1:17:24 AM
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I guess we must just wait until it is all over. I fear though that Sony has been damaged in all of this. We will have to see what the reaction and fallout of this is industry wide, and to Joe Soap's wallet and purchasing decisions going forward. I wonder how much Microsoft has actually capatilised from the PSN outage?

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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karneli lll
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 2:35:49 AM
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Is it me or does it feel like Sony has to be pushed to say something,and when they talk it knocks some trust points off

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karneli lll
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 4:36:20 AM

Now Sony are denying that there is a deadline of may 31st to get things going,so it might take longer?

I'd hate to say it but Sony is just digging a hole...and digging a hole...and digging a hole...

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Beamboom
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 4:57:42 AM

A new story? Source?

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karneli lll
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 12:34:28 PM

its all over my rss

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___________
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 3:59:45 AM
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im trading in my old ps3 for a 360 tomorrow.
im sorry but i cant wait till tomorrow to play the RFA demo, and the DNF demo will be out anytime now.

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Highlander
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 9:54:26 AM

Bye, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you...

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karneli lll
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 12:33:20 PM

You cant wait to play demos?

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Clamedeus
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 2:34:43 PM

Good riddance~

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Helghast
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 6:11:01 PM

LOL! Demos? wow..... Some people just have no patience for even the dumbest thing anymore.... sad.....

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, May 10, 2011 @ 9:17:37 PM

__________________,

There's a wise old saying.....

"A fool & his games are soon parted"


Bye, bye.

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