Infinity Ward: "We've Moved Beyond The MW2 Engine"
See Full ImageYeah, yeah, DICE has the Frostbite 2 engine. So what? Do you really think the new Call of Duty won't stack up with its 6-year-old engine?
Developers have done a lot with that engine and they've got more updates in store for this year's Modern Warfare 3. Infinity Ward boss Robert Bowling stated before that it's "counterproductive" to make a new CoD engine and instead, it's better to keep updating the current one. So it'd be wrong to think MW3 uses the "same" engine, as Bowling says in a new Twitter update:
"We haven't gone into detail on the engine yet but we've moved beyond the MW2 engine and added a lot of cool stuff for MW3."
Remember that a whole lot of the features included in Battlefield 3 might be seen in MW3; destructible environments and more vehicles have been rumored. Maybe we'll get a great look at the game tonight, when the new CoD is unveiled during Game 4 of the NBA Western Conference Finals. They better show us some gameplay, damnit!
Related Game(s): Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Tags: cod, call of duty, mw3, modern warfare 3
5/22/2011 9:06:38 PM Ben Dutka
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:27:30 PM
You honestly believe Sony's 1st party engines can compete with the latest engines on the PC? Its already been reported BF3 will have to be lowered in quality for consoles.
I love my PS3 but thinking its hardware can outperform the most recent PC technology is being unrealistic.
Last edited by LimitedVertigo on 5/22/2011 10:31:53 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:46:56 PM
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Cesar_ser_4
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:57:56 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:06:52 PM
No one was bragging about anything. I was simply pointing out an example of a developer being unable to fully utilize their engine on consoles.
My posts had ZERO to do with multi-platform gaming within the context you're attempting to use it.
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xnonsuchx
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:37:37 PM
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Qubex
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:27:58 AM
The PS3, as in any platform, is essentially a computer. It computes mathematical algorithms and the like. Now the engine itself could be same on the PC and PS3, only real difference is how it executes and at what speed.
Let us say the engine was exactly the same - and I believe at its core, for BF3 specifically - they will be; then understandably if the polygon counts on the PC version are kept exactly the same, inclusive of the physics routines and post processing effects, due to the PS3's luck of GPU grunt, teh game may run at 10 frames per second rather than the PC's 60 frames per second or higher. Simply put the PS3 in this case, while running the exact same engine, just would not have the memory and processing bandwidth to deal with it. BUT, the PS3 being a computer, can process the math, as can the PC, there would be no difference inherently, the only difference would be the result when both platforms are compared side by side when running, essentially, the same code...
So I was talking generally in that I believe the core of the engine will be the same, what will differ will be overall polygon counts and texture resolution. I don't think the physics and object destruction routines will differ. In fact everything should be about the same; what will be different is the sampling and granularity of the lighting, shadow casting, object polygon counts and overall texture resolution...
Also, an important observation I made a few weeks ago, that may add credence to what I have stated above. I was on Euro-gamer watching tech videos on the performance of the Crytech 3.0 engine and differentials in scene detail between the XBOX360 and PC.
I took specific note of 2 areas, the lighting and shadow casting, and the texture resolution. Firstly, on the PC, when jacking the settings on extreme in Crysis 2, it was overwhelmingly evident that the lighting and shadow casting looked far better than the console version.
The console version was not bad, but the PC had the edge on the high settings. Just to add to this the simulation of liquids, such as water, looked better on the PC as well... combination of better lighting, refraction and reflection; and the addition of more polygons made liquid matter look very realistic.
Surprisingly though... and it really did surprise me was that the team seemed to have used the same textures for both the PC and XBOX360 version (and probably the same for the PS3 version). I observed in the video that when the difference was shown between medium, high and extreme - the actual textures never changed!!! I was concentrating on a specific area of the ground which included some big boulders. After this I doubled checked some other elements as well - verdict - no change!!!
The textures for these elements looked the same across both platforms even when the PC setting was being pushed higher and higher. There was no change in the granularity of the ground or rock texture and the bump mapping effect on these particular textures did crisp up or become more defined as one would expect on an extreme setting.
The only thing I noticed was that vegetation, light and the shadow casting on the PC looked better on the extreme setting than the console. Polygon count must have been enhanced somewhat too, when observing liquid in the Crysis 2 world.
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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Qubex
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:28:35 AM
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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LimitedVertigo
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:36:31 AM
Im on my phone now so Im unable to give you the detailed reply you deserve. Look for it tomorow.
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Qubex
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 1:52:27 AM
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 8:03:57 AM
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Qubex
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 8:05:54 AM
It should have read; "There was no change in the granularity of the ground or rock texture and the bump mapping effect on these particular textures did NOT crisp up or become more defined as one would expect on an extreme setting."
I missed out the all important "NOT" word in that one... The sentence should now make more sense...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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AcHiLLiA
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 9:16:27 AM
replied to the first comment.
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Qubex
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:30:44 PM
This will probably be around the end of the year, or early 2012 at the latest. It all depends how strong the pull is for BF3 on the PC. It looks phenomenal on the PC, but I could also play it on consoles until I get the PC either way.
I will surely let you know when I do though :)
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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AcHiLLiA
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 5:34:21 PM
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Doppel
Tuesday, May 24, 2011 @ 8:12:06 PM
Try building a PC for $299 (ignore tax) that can match or outperform the PS3.
All parts, the Case, Operating System, Keyboard and Mouse must all fit with the $299 budget.
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Temjin001
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 9:44:48 PM
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I don't think "old engines" are so much an issue as it is keeping your engine evolving. The UE3 engine has grown a lot over the years, and will continue to into the next gen. Same goes for CryEngine etc.
I'm curious if the CoD engine will abandon the more 360-centric optimizations and be more pliable to a PS3 environment.
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Temjin001
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 9:49:51 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 9:52:47 PM
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Godslim
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 4:40:22 AM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 9:48:46 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:04:24 PM
...but I'm warning you. If they use that same engine with no visible upgrades for Half-Life 3 or something, don't be surprised when I rip the snot out of that archaic crap in my review. ;)
Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 5/22/2011 10:04:43 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:13:35 PM
You probably already know but I heard a few days ago that Valve won't be showing anything at this E3, bummer.
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Deathb4Dishonor
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:14:14 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:18:02 PM
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Godslim
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 4:38:56 AM
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AcHiLLiA
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 9:21:54 AM
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Bugzbunny109
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:17:39 PM
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Deathb4Dishonor
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:18:08 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:30:49 PM
Relax, there are plenty of other games to take up your time. Valve likes to take their time but in the end it always pays off.
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Snaaaake
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:25:53 PM
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Snaaaake
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 5:58:22 AM
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Deleted User
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:47:06 PM
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BikerSaint
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 6:37:41 PM
"Call Of Doodles"
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BIGRED15
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 10:59:32 PM
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@LV
of course BF3 will be better on PC. Any schoolboy could figure that out. Fact of the matter is consoles are far too popular for PC based companies to exclude, so unfortunately we'll have to settle for a still amazing, yet dumbed down version.
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:08:23 PM
Also speak for yourself, I won't be settling for anything but the best (getting it for PC).
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Alienange
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:09:42 PM
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:13:05 PM
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Alienange
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:29:04 PM
And MW's success has everything to do with its quality.
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Temjin001
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:51:23 AM
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Godslim
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 4:37:36 AM
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Lairfan
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 6:31:51 PM
Do you have some kind of biased hate against the Battlefield series or something? Or do you just hate the greater freedom and far better gameplay the series provides? Yeah, you can whine all day about how CoD sells more and how that somehow makes it superior, but at the end of the day, when a game is higher quality than another game, its still higher quality, no matter how much the sales difference is.
Oh, and please don't pull out these stupid "sour grape" analogies, because DICE is obviously not out of ideas. I don't even know why you would make that comparison in the first place when the series you're defending (CoD) is perhaps once of the greatest "sour grapes," as you so cliche-ly put it, of this gen. Just sayin.
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BIGRED15
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:17:43 PM
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I was wholly speaking for myself. Like i have the means to play it on the PC. Right not gonna happen.
And trust me ive been barkin up this tree for ages and the responses i get are pretty hilarious. People are like, MW is just so much easier to pick up,or BF gets boring, COD is the game that is ALWAYS fun. What is this amatuer hour? If you are truely a gamer, you dont complain about accessability Cod is similar to just about every other shooter. BF3 though... i know where im droppin the 60 and it wont be another so called tried and true installment of the COD franchise. I have never bought a COD and never will. Well i think i've been pretty clear as to where i stand on this subject.
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LimitedVertigo
Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 11:20:44 PM
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LegendaryWolfeh
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 8:07:37 AM
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Bloodysilence19
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 1:51:35 AM
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Lawless SXE
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 2:48:00 AM
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But they really do need to create a new one. With Project Cafe looming, and rumours of a prototype successor to the 360 being sent to developers and all the talk of the development of the PS4, their engine really won't be able to keep up to Frostbite 2.0, EGO, idtech 5, UE4, CryEngine 3 or S-E's replacement for Crystal Tools (the name of which escapes me). I think it would be best for one of the now-four development teams of CoD to take a couple of years off in order to specifically craft an all new engine capable of putting everything else to shame. That new engine could then be exploited for a few years, and I may then consider the series worthy of the attention and critical acclaim.
Went kinda rant-ish there, didn't I?
Peace.
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Godslim
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 4:35:34 AM
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___________
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 4:44:10 AM
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im starting to think this will be like the american car.
for years people tease them for there inability to go around corners, then finally one day a car comes out and for once shows the europeans how to do it!
im expecting the same from this.
CODs always copped the mickey, saying its the same old same old.
now its time to break that stereotype open and show the industry IW means business!
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Lawless SXE
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 5:18:12 AM
I guess I'm saying that CoD really is just the same old when compared to some of the other innovative and VERY promising FPSs releasing this year. Sure, it may be better than some of them, and will certainly recieve greater acclaim and sales, but there's no way that it will be the defining FPS this year.
Peace.
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Lawless SXE
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 7:09:53 AM
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___________
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 10:07:48 AM
that said though weirder things have happened!
i mean did not finish is due out in just under 3 weeks!
as the saying goes, dont judge a book by its cover.
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AcHiLLiA
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 10:41:09 AM
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Nynja
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 11:20:42 AM
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Over the past 3 months, I've seen my friends list go from a majority of players on COD:Black Ops -to- majority on Modern Warfare 2 -to- SOCOM 4.
Pretty much all of my friends are adults and only about 4 or 5 people on my list of 70+ friends still play Call of Duty. I suppose Call of Duty still appeals to the kids, but not so much the adults anymore.
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somethingrandom
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 11:41:53 AM
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p.s. Ben!!! it's the NHL western conference finals between Vancouver Canucks and San Jose Sharks. I don't have a clue how you confused it with basketball.
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jimmyhandsome
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 11:54:01 AM
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somethingrandom
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 11:58:50 AM
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somethingrandom
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:02:19 PM
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BIGRED15
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 12:42:19 PM
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No one like's basketball? Has much more of a US fanbase than the NHL. I prefer Basketball over hockey anyday
@ alienage:
Completely disagree with your previous sentiments. Sure Cod is the top grossing game, but if a top seller doesnt look around them and look for ways to improve, that simply show's that they are too high up on their horse to notice their own games lackluster features. For a team like Activision or IW to think they have no competition at all would be completely ignorant, but their doing that right now. Why else do they think they can use the same engine thats been used for the last 3 installments (???) I think they're getting pretty cocky and for them to release MW3 in the window they are is even more foolish. Release right after UC3, great, many PS3 users will be occupied with that. BF3, scratch the PC fanbase majority. Gears 3, thats been an Xbox fav longer than COD. I gotta say, Ive always seen COD as they money horder, but to me, this fall will be the least advantageous time to release it, but their going to, and we'll have to wait and see how it does. For me i dont think it'll outsell black ops. Not in this rich year of games. It doesn't have the quality to do as well against some of the heavy hitters coming out this year.
So basically its cod vs. BF3, R3, Twisted Metal, UC3, Skyrim, Gears 3, AC: revelations, Rage. Now realistically, can you say those games wont take at least a little from the COD market share? I cant.
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somethingrandom
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 9:21:27 PM
Also I wouldn't say that those games will take much from COD market share, one reason being that many people such as myself will buy most of those titles.
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Gamer Girl Gemo
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 1:22:57 PM
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However, I think I'll have to wait to see some gameplay like BF3 showcased. BF3 is definitely on my to-get list. It looks really, really beautiful. Unlike CoD whose environments aren't really anything too flashy to look at and if you've played one of them, you've played them all.
But, we all know that MW3 is going to just sell, sell, sell, just because it has Call of Duty before it. Call of Duty is like Disney in the gaming industry. Stick its name in front of anything and it'll sell. People just buy things too blindly these days.
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bluedarrk
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 5:23:45 PM
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It doesn't matter what games are coming out. CoD fan boys will only play CoD. They don't care about any other games because its not CoD. With more and more people starting to play video games whats the first game they will purchase? It will be CoD because that's what all their friends will be playing. Activision figured out a winning formula. They keep the game pretty simple and make it fun. Everyone said black ops wouldn't sell but it out sold all the rest of them. CoD is growing not shrinking its getting stronger each year with a new release. MW3 will out sell any other game BF3 won't come close. All of the CoD haters keep saying they will never buy another one. I remember hearing that after MW2 and then they bought black ops. I manage a local game store I'm going to get roughly 2000 copies of MW3 and about 800 copies of BF3.
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Lairfan
Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 6:40:05 PM
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Now I have to admit that I'm intrigued as to what this one's gonna bring to the table, but that's all I am at this point: intrigued. I'm still getting BF3 over this game, simply because I know its gonna be higher quality. If you can't even make a new engine with 3 devs working on one game:
A - There's something wrong with you for not taking the perfect opportunity to replace it.
and B - You can't stand up to the competition's quality when they're only one dev that can make an entirely new engine that upstages yours.
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Qubex
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Sunday, May 22, 2011 @ 9:34:45 PM
My money is on Frostbite 2 being the definitive engine of this generation.
(Excluding of course the insane engines developed by Sony studios for PS3 exclusive titles you all know so well)...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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