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Sony Confirms R&D Costs For Future PlayStation Platform

Most analysts and journalists don't expect the next PlayStation to arrive any time soon; previous estimates said no sooner than 2014.

But that doesn't mean Sony can't be working on the hardware, right? After revealing their annual numbers, Sony went on to confirm they are currently working on a successor to the PlayStation 3. When financial officer Masaru Kato was asked about an increase in research and development costs, Kato replied that the "main driver" was "prototype research work, development work during the current fiscal year in [the] game segment."

"We have a portable NGP to be launched later this year, so we have development expenses to be incurred for this product and for the home equipment. The PS3 still has a product life, but this is a platform business, so for the future platform--when we'll be introducing what product I cannot discuss that--but our development work is already under way, so the costs are incurred there."

Nintendo has already confirmed that their new console will be playable at E3 and go on sale next year, and rumor has it that Microsoft is already hiring for "next generation" Xbox development. But as we've said before, we're plenty happy with the current platforms...not like we have any say in the matter. Ready for another console war?

Tags: sony, ps3, playstation 3, playstation 4, ps4

5/26/2011 8:46:05 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (68 posts)

Kiryu
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 9:19:33 PM
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I won't be buying a Playstation 4 till the next 4-5 years.

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Shams
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 9:33:03 PM

Naniiii?!?

What if a Yakuza was a launch title? Yosh.

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Dante399
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 1:32:55 AM

I guess he has to buy it LOL

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Temjin001
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 9:31:57 PM
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Cool. While lots of talk has been encircling Nintendo and their new system, and some rumblings about MS and their 360 successor, it's good to know Sony is under way preparing for the future.

As a matter of preference, I'd like to see the PS4 launch no sooner than a year from after the Next-Box. I'd like Sony to maintain their position and identity in the marketplace by having the highest production software offerings running on the most powerful hardware.

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jaybiv
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 3:12:33 PM

I don't Sony will give MS that much time to respond. Part if the slow start for the PS3 was the head start the Xbox received. First in market was MS's strategy to capture marketshare and it worked. They will nit get as much time next time.

However, MS is going to have to swallow some pride to launch a new system as digital delivery is not where it needs to be and DVD is no longer a viable delivery option for games.

My last point is we may have seen the last of dominant marketshare in the console market. The industry is large enough that all three are showing handsome profits. Which is a very good thing for consumers.

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Temjin001
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 8:31:23 PM

Thoughtful response there. A few things I'd like to throw in as variables to reflect on. Early system releases haven't always been a sure bet. In fact, over the last 20 years, the 360 is the only platform I can think of that enjoyed some level of success for launching first.

Why not consider these variables:
Cost.
Ps3 launched at a price point that was comparable to the 3DO

Flexible design.
Seta Saturn was a beast to harness and launched very pricey (relatively)

Software lineup and marketing
Having a powerful system doesn't mean much if you can't land the quality games

Basically, it's a complicated thing when it comes to marketing a new console.

But one thing I know I want for certain, Sony's identity staying consistent with this gen.
Theyve carved a very acute image for themselves by being in this position. I'd like to see them stay that way.

MS can be the affordable, streamlined Dodge and Sony can be the premium, fancier Lexus

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LimitedVertigo
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 9:34:57 PM
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I'm excited for new technology but I dread the next console war.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:33:31 PM

Imagine slightly older, slightly dumber xbots.

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Nas Is Like
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:36:45 PM

Slightly older, yes? Slightly dumber? Nah, more likely a lot dumber.

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Oyashiro
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 11:51:14 PM

There will be no survivors!

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:07:59 PM

There's only so much dumber that an Xbot could be. They're so close to Absolute Dumb that they only could be slightly dumber.

Nota bene: Xbot =/= 360 owner

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GuyverLT
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 6:01:15 PM

I'm dreading the cost range of new systems.

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xnonsuchx
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 9:57:37 PM
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...and it's a pretty good bet the next console WILL be PS3 backward compatible. ;-)

If you consider a lot of the PS3's additional cost was the BD and a few other things that may also be used in a PS4, the initial cost could be as low as $400 vs. the PS3's $600.

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faraga
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:35:44 AM

Yeah, nut don't forget that every new PS platform so far has used a new disc technology, so I'm sure Sony will come up with something new as well.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 3:18:52 PM

I hope the PS4 is backwards compatible. I have 60 games that I don't plan on selling. I guess I will just have to keep a PS3 around. But it would be nice to have it all under one roof.

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Crabba
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:47:42 PM

I seriously doubt the PS4 will have a new disc format instead of blu-ray, that would be pretty stupid of them. Blu-ray still has plenty of life in it for the next-gen format too.

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Alienange
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:16:44 PM
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He's right, it is a platform business. Makes me wonder what they're going to flash around in hopes that I will give up my current platform and give them hundreds of dollars for the next one. It would have to be something pretty spectacular, no?

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RadioHeader
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 6:26:56 AM

GT7 - So good, it skipped a grade.

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Nas Is Like
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:18:54 PM
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Well I suppose it's good that they're planning ahead of time and are working on it already. The more time they have, the more they can perfect it by the time it does get released to the public. Just as long as it doesn't come out too soon, because like many others, I am very happy with my PS3 and don't need a new game console anytime soon. A PS3 is really the only console I could ever want/need.

Still, regarding the "console wars" line...I imagine there will be less of them in the future, because all 3 consoles will be so powerful that it will probably be too close to call on which console is the superior one. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

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Lord carlos
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:25:25 PM
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Nice!
Hope its a five year development cycle
Cause i ain't buying another console untill 2016 & i might just wait for a price drop & 1st hardware revision.
Toodle pipski :)

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:38:07 PM
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It's sad that the other two consoles are already dead on their feet and PS3 hasn't even given it's best performance yet. Sad for them I mean.

And if the xbox720 releases and is more powerful than the PS3 but there's still no PS4, it would be pretty funny to hear the argument about consoles holding multiplats back flip-flopped.

All I know is I'm good for a great while.

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Lairfan
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:48:53 PM
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2014 sounds like a good year to get the PS4 out there. I'm confident that by then my PS3 will have lived a good, long life, and it'll be ready to hang up the towel.

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Nas Is Like
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:54:49 PM

PS3 won't "hang up the towel" for years, just like the PS2. ;) It's still selling millions, even after [nearly] 11 years later.

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bigrailer19
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 10:56:48 PM
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I always said I would be ready for a new console until after 2012. Looks like that'll be the case, and if so expect me to be there to get my PS4!

But I do think this generation has a lot of life left in it. It's been a good console cycle, and I only expect it to get better! We are getting close though, just a couple more years!

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Highlander
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 11:15:52 PM
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I don't think that there is enough indication of anything here to suggest that Sony will announce PS4 at this year's E3. So I'm thinking that it will be next year at the earliest. I also think that with NGP dropping to market at the end of this year, and the recovery from the PSN outage continuing, 2012 will be a rebuilding year for Sony with the PS3/PSN and of course the first wave of content on the NGP. They won't want to take away from that if they can help it, so we may not see PS4 announced until either late 2012, or even E3 2013. That would put PS4 on course for 2013 (though I still would prefer 2014, that's 8 years which is 4 eternities in computing terms).

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Qubex
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:29:28 AM

Could be an issue when M$ throws a curve ball and announces a new Xbox @ E3... this would cause R&D acceleration at Sony, and may make them rush out a piece of equipment that is not up to par...

M$ have got into the habit now of slapping Sony every now and again... let us hope there are no big shocks...

PS3 still has life... and if the PS2 is anything to go by, well enough said...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:45:20 AM

Qubex, I don't think MS is ready with the next 360, plus I really think that it's in their own best interests to marginalize Nintendo at this juncture and stand firm with Sony as the two hardcore gaming choices.

That said, if MS does throw their hat into the ring at the same time as Nintendo, I actually think Sony should wait 2 years before doing anything to deliberately get out of sync with the other two. That way, the PS3 can continue to provide AAA class entertainment for two more years and then the new PS4 would have two years of youth over the competitors. Unlike the PS2 to PS3 transition, this next generation is going to be more of an evolution instead of a major step up. It will be hard to offer anything of real substance that the PS3 does not already offer.

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:18:35 PM

Nintendo is only now catching up to the current generation, specs-wise. I agree that Sony and M$ would be wise to treat the new Wii (or whatever ridiculous name they give it) as competition for their current systems.

p.s. "nintendo" is in the PS3's lexicon, as is "microsoft". Go figure.

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:18:36 PM

Nintendo is only now catching up to the current generation, specs-wise. I agree that Sony and M$ would be wise to treat the new Wii (or whatever ridiculous name they give it) as competition for their current systems.

p.s. "nintendo" is in the PS3's lexicon, as is "microsoft". Go figure.

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:30:15 PM

Sorry for the double post.

I was ready to delete it, but it didn't appear immediately and now I can't.

A mod should feel free to delete it (and this one).

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 11:20:23 PM
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I'm more worried about whether or not the store will open again before E3.

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Nas Is Like
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 11:28:21 PM

I think it's safe to say it will.

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Lawless SXE
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 11:21:39 PM
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Well, at least we know they're working on it. I think that it'll be an evolution, opposed to the revolution of all of Sony's previous consoles. I mean, a slight graphical bump to allow massive upgrades to AI, AR, etc.

2014 is a good date too. It gives the PS3 another few years to show that it'll be able to hold its own against its competitors, as well as allowing Sony to really focus on the NGP for the next couple of years to bring it to the market that the PSP never had. Hopefully it can fill a gap with reception to the 3DS thus far being underwhelming.
Peace.

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A2K78
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:21:21 AM
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By the time the PS4 and next Xbox arrives their technologies would've already been outdated and thanks in part to the PC currently being 2 generations ahead. To further add, the cost of having a high-end gaming PC have significantly plummeted to the point being really mass market.

"If you consider a lot of the PS3's additional cost was the BD and a few other things that may also be used in a PS4, the initial cost could be as low as $400 vs. the PS3's $600.'

Good luck if you honestly believe that the next set of consoles will come cheap. Why do I say this? If the current consoles say anything its quite obvious that companies like Sony and Microsoft don't like idea of putting out a product that constantly put them in the red for years. With that in mind gamers should take PS3's $600 launch price as a sign that the age of cheaply sold consoles are over.

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:48:22 AM

Rubbish. The PS3, when it arrived, was years ahead of the PC curve in CPU terms. When the next console wave arrives it will continue to offer high performance hardware in a device focused on entertainment rather than general computing. You also have to remember that the target resolution for a game console is lower than a PC gaming rig, so not so much CPU/GPU is soaked up by pointlessly catering to resolutions that cannot be displayed on a consumer screen.

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:19:36 AM

Looks like 3 people need some convincing.

<<The PS3, when it arrived, was years ahead of the PC curve in CPU terms. >>

Fact : CellBE far exceeded the performance of any desktop/laptop x86 CPU when PS3 launched. Floating point performance of Cell embarrassed x86 CPUs for several years until they finally caught up by going quad core and improving their own designs. They never caught up in terms of single precision.

<< When the next console wave arrives it will continue to offer high performance hardware in a device focused on entertainment rather than general computing. >>

Fact : Video game consoles are not desktop PCs, they are targeted consumer entertainment devices.


<<You also have to remember that the target resolution for a game console is lower than a PC gaming rig, so not so much CPU/GPU is soaked up by pointlessly catering to resolutions that cannot be displayed on a consumer screen. >>

Fact : Consumer screens - aka HDTVs that sit in living rooms are capped at 1080p resolution and refresh.

Fact : PC monitors already go far higher in resolution terms (not that anyone can actually resolve that level of resolution unless they are sitting within 2 feet, and even they is a close thing).

Fact : It takes less CPU/GPU cycles to process the same scene at a lower resolution than a higher one. Even though a modern gaming rig may have an edge in resolution terms, any future console within the foreseeable future has to deal with a maximum of 3D at 1080p. That is the maximum extent of the design envelope, and so the next consoles will be designed with that goal in mind.

The next PlayStation console will be an evolution of the existing design. Many basic components will remain unchanged and we are already running hungry CPU/GPUs at high clock rates. BluRay and HDTV are standards that will not change, Ethernet will not change, BlueTooth will not change, in fact the only meaningful change in technology with this next generation (unless the brain tap is invented) will be a new CPU/GPU combination. In the end, that should yeild a much cheaper system than the PS3 that sold at $500 and $600 despite taking between $900 and $1000 to build/distribute.

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:26:14 PM

Anyone who thinks PCs are two generations ahead of consoles is just lying to themselves to justify spending way too much money on a gaming rig.

High is right. It took PCs two years just to catch up to the PS3.

The age of PCs being much more powerful are over.


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shadowscorpio
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:22:55 AM
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True, it is the console business but every business has to also consider the state of thier economy. Most people don't have the expendible income they used to and throwing new, costly technology out too soon could be a bad business decision. Consider the PS3 at launch. $600. I admit, I finally purchased a PS3 when the slim arrived and it took its first price cut.

Nintendo is releasing a new console that is said to be on par with the 360 and PS3. All that really means to me is that multiplats across all three systems will look more identicle.

It's been rumored for a long time that Sony has been involved in development research for the PS4 (even though this article doesn't actually confirm that the PS4 is what they're working on). I think that Sony should wait until Microsoft comes out with thier next console before bringing the PS4 to the market. Sony just needs not to wait 2 years to do it. I think they have to consider PS4's capabilities and a price tag that isn't going to scare people, as well as considering competetor's price tags.

What ever the case, I think Sony should test the PS3 against its competitor's next consoles before introducing the PS4. I can wait a few more years still.

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gangan19
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 1:20:05 AM
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the ps3 right now is future proof to me. I really don't want or need a next console ps3 has everything and does everything i wan it to do

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___________
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 3:40:06 AM
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of course they are, R&D would of started as soon as the ps3 left there doors this is there job!
interesting read on what insomniac had to say on this.
next gen consoles wont be about raw power they say, and there right.
games have come to a point to where there pretty far along, its no more about juice its about what features can you bring.
project cafe and its screen in controller is a perfect example of that.
its no longer about how good can you make a game look, because, well, ATM there not exactly anything to scoff at!
its much more about what new features can you bring.
now visually, but new features as in using project cafes controller as a handheld gaming device when your on the go.
things like that, now there the future of consoles!

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:20:42 AM

PSP/NGP + PS3/PS4. Controller layout + screen in a handheld that links to the home console.

Who is Nintendo copying now?

;)

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CrusaderForever
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 3:48:40 PM

I don't know about that. I actually disagree with what Insomniac said. I take one look at a game like Prototype and I can see a lot of improvements needed in consoles. I want high textures and less pop-in. The textures in Prototype really hurt that game along with the terrible AI. I am hoping that the PS4 will be able to render that city in Prototype in high textures with no pop-in. Now that would be a next gen console IMHO.

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 9:48:07 PM

Crusader,

You don't need high res textures for something like a cityscape drawn at distance to avoid pop in, you need to extend the draw distance, textures can be streamed in as needed, so you only bring the texture in when you're close enough for it to matter. I mean, do you need to render and scale the side of a building that's only 100 pixels wide at the current view point using highly detailed texture, or do you just need a rough texture that is correct for the distance? Pop in isn't related to texture detail, that's an entirely different kettle of fish.

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___________
Saturday, May 28, 2011 @ 10:31:25 AM

prototypes got nothing to do with the consoles hardware, more lazy as f*ck developers!
IF developers can be stuffed polishing there games then we have pretty much got everything we need.
look at GOW3 or uncharted 2, i mean how much more do you want?
only so far you can go till you hit the limit graphics wise, and thats where new features need to step in.
i wont be surprised to see a onlive type service be stepped out next gen by the big 3.
obviously not required removing disks, but theres allot of people out there who would prefer to stream there games and ignoring them would be a massive mistake!
id love to use it, once cows fly and we get decent ISP charges!

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Highlander
Saturday, May 28, 2011 @ 10:53:11 PM

Do you mean streaming gameplay, or games streamed from the Net instead of Disk? Either of those bring bandwidth issues, but streaming gameplay brings insurmountable control lag issues. Fast action games require realtime response from the game. At this time, it's impossible for a game played on a remote server and streamed to your local display cannot handle realtime controls. The net technology simply cannot handle it without sufficient lag to break the realtime connection. If you streams the game data for an entire level to the console and the game was played at the console that might work, but then I don't see how that's any different from the current situation.

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___________
Sunday, May 29, 2011 @ 8:36:49 AM

its very different from what we have now.
allot of people like to stay home and purchase games at home.
now instead of sitting there for a hour and wait for the game to download, then another 20 minutes to install, then another 10 minutes to download all the updates and patches.
instead of spending one and a half hours, you can use a feature like what onlive offers.
plus ISPs will advance allot by the time new consoles come out.
why go out and have to waste money on fuel, parking, and have to put up with the horrific traffic, when you can get your games from the comfort of your living room?

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Highlander
Sunday, May 29, 2011 @ 10:45:09 PM

I think you're probably right in the long term, but in the timescales between now and the next generation arriving? No, not gonna happen, the investment required by Internet infrastructure companies and ISPs is astronomical. I think you are correct in the next generation to come. But I think that what replaces the 360 and PS3 will be the last generation of console that sports an optical disc reader. It will take at least 5-10 years to advance Internet availability and capability to the point where you can have fast game delivery from an online gaming service. But even then I think it will simply be an extension to what we have from PSN/Home and XBL already.

Incidentally, I think that we will continue to buy games on a removable media, but in future that media will be a solidstate media much like what is happening with the NGP. When that generation after next arrives, I think it will be possible to buy games either online or at a retail point where you effectively download the game (using your specific encryption) to your own media device.

But PS4 will use BluRay. There's no need to go further and there's a newer BluRay format that may end up being used that get's 33GB per layer and is I believe a minimum of three layers per disc as per the specification.

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Excelsior1
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 4:18:55 AM
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i just hope sony is ready to go as soon as ms is ready. i don't want them to loose any more marketshare to ms period. they are really going to have to bring it to get their top spot back. plus they simply must figure out why they have struggled in the na market.

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Zorigo
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 4:19:44 AM
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I dont actually mind, in fact i think this is good, this way when the PS4 comes out they can stay on top dog because theyve been working on it for time. Coz im serious i would be ather pissed if Xbox was better next gen, they dont seem to be too great for their customers. They rinse you out as much as possible.

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Beamboom
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:39:56 AM

The way I see it, the best chances of the PS staying on top is if it is released *after* the MS console. For two reasons: First, it enables Sony to review the competition, the reception it gets by the press and users, and simply pack more punch into their box. And more importantly, as we all know computer hardware only gets better and cheaper as time goes by. So, two years after the new xbox there will be new hardware at better prices, giving the PS4 the upper hand.

So, let MS do the talkin' first. Then go crush them. Simple as that.

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RadioHeader
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 6:58:19 AM
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If the next consoles are capable of significantly greater detail, how long/expensive will game development be?

Can't someone create a speedier, super HD modelling process before we get the hardware to run it? ...like a camera you can point at anything and say "make me a one o'them in 3D, and mo-cap it."

I realise I worded that very stupidly, but I'm not a techie. From what I've seen and heard of the modelling process (mostly the cars in GT5), it seems like IT needs the next generation.

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Kiryu
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 7:35:03 AM

Yeah i hope before we go to the next generation the Software tools for PS4 will be given 2yrs in Advance to the 1st arty studios in Sony.So that Uncharted 2 type games will come out at Launch.

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:22:19 AM

With some games already running in 1080 modes, and HDTVs not increasing resolution in the next 5-10 years, what's the point of increasing visual detail beyond the current upper limit of 1080? In which case, what will any console offer in those terms that the PS3 cannot match, or come very close to matching?

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:36:34 PM

Ray tracing?

Not rhetorical...I'm actually asking.



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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 9:54:39 PM

Fane,

IBM thought that the original CellBE working in a multi-processor set up would be capable of ray tracing in real time. Obviously it depends on the detail in the scene.

If PS4 sports something like a Power 7 with a spurs engine as supplement for SPU support (or perhaps dual PowerXcell8i chips which are like the CellBE on steroids) along with an up to date nVidia GPU, it might manage ray tracing in real time, but it may not manage it at full 1080p. That said, I'd bet that a game ray traced at 720p and scaled to 1080p would look every bit as good as a game rendering at 1080p, unless you freeze frame it, then you might see detail on the 1080p render that you miss on the 720p. In motion, I think the ray traced would look better. With ray tracing, a lot of the effects that we do in other ways using shaders and what not, are done as an integral part of the raytracing, so it may not be as unrealistic as some thing to suggest we might get fully raytraced games

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unnavigated
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 7:51:06 AM
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Probably by then half the titles will carry "3D" at the end..

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gumbi
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 8:31:25 AM
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Honestly, I think Sony's best bet for the successor to the PS3 is to basically just supe up the existing PS3.

Give developers a new console based on the same or very similar architecture as the PS3, but with totally ramped up specs. Not only would the transition from PS3 to PS4 be a breeze for developers, but backwards compatibility won't be such a pain in the ass.

The PS3 as is, is still a beast of a machine. Upgrade the specs while keeping the same architecture and developers could jump right into it.

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Bjorn77
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 9:54:42 AM

I think your post is not far from the truth, They spend a lot of money on the PS3 and the cell tech. It would be stupid to trow that out the window and make a xbox clone.

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:24:27 AM

Power7 CPU + Spurs engine (8 of the CellBE SPUs on a chip) + nVidia GPU = PS4 with Ps3 comp[atibility for low cost. Sony already has the Spurs manufacturing thanks to their buy back from Toshiba, and Power7 is the latest uber powerful PowerPC development from IBM, so it's in the same family as the CellBE anyway. An nVidia GPU would provide a familiar working environment for developers and smooth the way for RSX emulation.

PS4 as an evolution of PS3 needs those technologies. Of course they could go ARM based as well. ARM is becoming very interesting with some very fast designed aimed at the server market, these could easily be reshaped into a console workhorse.

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Nas Is Like
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 11:07:04 AM

I see what you're saying. In a way, I agree. But let's face it. After playing or using something for so long, you tend to get bored of it sooner or later, and want something new. Such is the example with cellphones, televisions, cars, etc. Same applies for gaming consoles.

At the same time, like the article said, this IS a platform business, and companies like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo need to keep producing platforms so the business can grow further. Sony not releasing a PS4 in the future could cost them, as the newer generation consoles will be more powerful and capable, therefore more appealing to gamers.

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Condemnedsoul23
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:36:13 AM
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If the PS2 was $300 at launch and the ps3 was $$600 at launch I'm afraid of what the ps4 will cost. Better come with a blu ray burner and a foot and back massager

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 12:09:41 PM

Hold on, to give you some perspective on the launch price. When PS3 launched, the Bluray drive cost $150 (minimum), and the Cell BE itself, on it's own was in excess of $150. The total cost of making one of those launch PS3s was well over $800, and the 60GB units were over $900 to make. The 20GB system sold for more than $300 below cost, as did the 60GB systems.

PS3 has some advantages, first of all, if Sony use an evolution of the PS3 design there are CPU choices that are no where near as difficult or expensive as the CellBE was when PS3 arrived. The GPU will be off the shelf. Memory will likely be standard DDR3 commodity RAM. BluRay drives cost a mere fraction of what they cost when PS3 was new, in fact most of the other elements of a PS4 design are more or less off the shelf components now. So the biggest two decisions for Sony are CPU and GPU, everything else is a continuation of what we have with the PS3.

Looking at the $300 PS3 models, they are sold at a profit. Unless the cost of manufacture of the new CPU/GPU are in the hundreds, there's no reason why a new system couldn't come in at about the $400 price mark. Sony might still be taking a small loss initially on those systems, but it would not be the huge bath that they took on the Ps3, and the costs of development would be a fraction of the cost of the PS3. Not to mention PS3 compatibility and a familiar development environment will make transitioning to the Ps4 much, much easier for developers.

That's if Sony go down the evolution route of course...

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gumbi
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 2:38:01 PM

Highlander, this is EXACTLY what I want in my PS4. In fact, if Sony made a move like that. I'd be okay with PS4 coming out next year. All my PS3 games would be compatible. Developers could easily move to PS4 because it would basically be the same environment, just far more powerful.

I just think this is the smarter way to go for Sony. Lower overhead, faster turn around, greater ROI, and happy consumers... no brainer to me.

Sony, you don't ALWAYS have to be pioneering brand new technology. You have a winner with the PS3, refine it and PS4 could be your crowning achievement.

Think about it. An affordable PS4 that launches ahead of or along side the new MS console, supports your PS3 library, AND has AAA launch titles because developers were able to dive right in without having to learn a brand new complicated architecture...

Sign me up!

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Fane1024
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:47:05 PM

Even lesser components of the PS3 like HDMI and Bluetooth were expensive, cutting-edge (or bleeding-edge) tech. Most of those sorts of parts will be cheap for PS4, since (like 1080p) industry standards have emerged.

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:00:42 PM

Absolutely Fane, if you look back to the launch, the BluRay drives in the PS3 were virtually the proto-type drives. PS3 was one of the first feature complete BluRay players available anywhere. The LED laser manufacturing process wasn't nailed down and the LED lasers them selves were costing some ridiculous figure like $50 a pop. They really were bleeding edge prototypes. The CellBE hadn't been used in anything and was so cutting edge that they sacrificed one of the SPUs to allow a higher yield of working parts from the production line. The PS3 literally was cutting edge with bleeding edge components. The cost estimates of about $900 for the original systems may actually be conservative for the initial production runs. Those systems could have cost well over $1000 to make - we'll likely never know though.

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SuMtOnE
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 3:51:02 PM
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dam already another console?
i only played.. so MUCH on my ps3 =(
like mayb 13 games lol

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DjEezzy
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 5:23:24 PM
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Hasn't everyone learned by now that it's not good to question the Highlander? He 99% of the time can back up anything that he say's. LOL

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Highlander
Friday, May 27, 2011 @ 10:01:35 PM

But, if I can't back up what I say or someone points out an error, I'm more than happy to accept it and apologize if I'm in error.

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