Hirai: PS3 Still Has A Ways To Go
Is the PlayStation 3 nearing the end?
No way, says Sony deputy president Kaz Hirai. After talking about the recent PlayStation Network calamity, Hirai told Guardian.co.uk that Sony is sticking by their 10-year model. He also gave no indication as to when the next piece of hardware might arrive, primarily because he believes we don't need it any time soon. Said Hirai:
"One of the things that we always talked about is the 10-year life cycle. When we launched the PS3 back in 2006, one of the questions I kept getting asked was why we were putting so much technology into a piece of equipment that was basically a games console. At the time, I said we were looking at a 10-year life cycle. We wanted to make sure we could adapt as new technology was brought on board. A lot of people at the time said that while it all sounded great, they didn't believe it."
Hirai went on to say the PS3 "has grown with the times" and in fact, "there's still a lot of headroom left." And when all is said and done, he adds that while you'll hear many things about the PS3, the one thing you won't hear is, "it's slipping behind the times." Hey, like we've been saying, we're good with the PS3 for at least a few more years.
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6/9/2011 10:47:03 AM Ben Dutka
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frylock25
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:04:28 AM
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JMO_INDY
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:41:23 AM
ColTater
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 6:19:54 PM
JMO_INDY
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 9:39:57 PM
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BikerSaint
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:59:57 AM
Temjin001
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:09:14 AM
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JMO_INDY
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:15:15 AM
Temjin001
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:27:17 AM
Personally, I'm quite attracted to this Wii U stuff. If they can get the price right and offer enough compelling software, I might very well be on board with them next year.
As it stands now, my Wii sits around largely as an overpriced Netflix box.
JMO_INDY
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:39:06 AM
Cavan1
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:47:35 AM
Temjin001
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 12:15:43 PM
bearbobby
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 3:24:24 PM
Temjin001
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 12:57:47 AM
Plus, my Ps3 gets enough of a workout as it is doing games and blu ray movies so the Wii has gotta take some of the load, because aside from Tetris Party and the once in a season game of Mario Kart it does nothing else but deceive guests that we like playing Wii with that tell-tale sensor bar that hangs out on the top of the TV
Beamboom
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:20:05 AM
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That Sony now more or less guarantee that there will be no ps4 until 2016? Or that they just will "support" ps3 (whatever that means) until 2016 but the ps4 may be launched in the meantime?
2012 is already shaping up to be on this years level when it comes to quality releases and I sure would love this to keep going a few more years!
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Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:24:06 AM
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That said, he's clearly signalling - not yet.
I don't believe that the hardware actually has 10 years in it as the primary product. Like the PS1 and PS2 before it, I think it will live a long life as a secondary product. However I do think that it will go 6-7 years as the primary product. Think about it though, 7 years is several processor, GPU and memory technological generations. The CellBE processor was well ahead of it's time when launched. So much so that even 5 years after launch, the CellBE can still turn in very respectable performance benchmarks. But, time catches up eventually. the PS3's main memory looks increasingly limited, the GPU is three generations behind nVidia's latest, and the Cell itself has been eclipsed by other Cell products and Power 7. Even PC CPUs have finally caught up. So although I wouldn't say the PS3 is out of date, it is definitely showing it's maturity.
Thanks to the design, there is still head room for games to get better. There are still things that Sony can do to enhance the functionality. But those opportunities are now far more limited than they once were.
I think we'll see PS3 run through next E3 with no further mention of PS4. I don't think that either Microsoft or Sony will announce a new console longer than a year ahead of launch. I also think that both Sony and Microsoft will want to distract as much as possible from the WiiU launch. So I think that either at E3 2012, or the TGS 2012, both Sony and Microsoft will each announce their new console, for sale 12 months later.
Around about the time of TGS 2012 Nintendo's WiiU will be readying for launch. Microsoft and Sony making announcements about their new consoles at the same time will really distract the media attention from Nintendo. I could be wrong, both MS and Sony could wait longer. MS could break earlier than Sony, but I doubt it. Both Sony and MS have a common foe - Nintendo. And by design or coincidence, I think that they will individually put pressure on Nintendo forming a kind of pincer attack. It would benefit both to see Nintendo's wings clipped a little.
All that said, it's entirely possible that both will try to wait out another year, and drop their new consoles in 2014. but to be honest, both 360 and PS3 will really be long in the tooth by then. I'm not sure it's viable to wait that long. Good grief with Vita arriving this year, in three more years handheld technology could actually be quick enough to withstand a meaningful and direct comparison against the full blooded PS3 performance.
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Alienange
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 1:32:25 PM
Rather, isn't it Nintendo that's now trying to get the PS3 and 360 games more easily ported to their new "HD system?" I wonder... is this really a hardware race, or is software the real system seller?
My money is on software.
Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 1:44:20 PM
I don't think Microsoft or Sony specifically care much about Nintendo, but they saw 70-odd million consumers care, and so they will do whatever they can to recapture those 70-million consumers.
Alienange
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 6:30:48 PM
Qubex
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 6:59:08 PM
As i said previously in my posts, and Ben mentioned in an earlier article... things are changing much quicker in the mobile space than we can imagine... and the manufacturers like Apple, HTC and the like know it.
They can smell the money is in games and you are going to have an onslaught of hardware upgrades between now and the launch of the PS4. The Vita will be challenged in time as well...
No matter how much us hardcore gamers want "dedicated" gaming hardware platforms to succeed... with commoditisation of mobile and tablet hardware becoming more apparent as the months roll on and the overall dropping off the entry level price, i think bricks sitting at the bottom of your TV will be something from the ancient world 5 to 10 years from now...
There is still time... maybe for one more next generation hardware cycle...
Mark my words... and remember them...
It is and will be a mobile world... everything will be in the palm of your hands... and there is nothing more two it...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 10:25:47 PM
I think that we will arrive at a point where the amount of bandwidth around will be sufficient to stream software to your handheld from your home console. It would run locally on the handheld because the things are going to be powerful enough to do it, and then when you get home you transfer back to the main unit for increased resolution on the large screen at home. Seemless.
I think that handheld will ultimately have phone capabilities, but it will not be a cellphone. I think that the cell operators will have to become wireless Internet providers because Data is king, and VOIP isn't going away. Cellphones and cellphone technology is an anachronism when every handheld device has the capability to run a VOIP client. Instead of Cellphones, tablets handheld game consoles and smartphones, there will simply be a category of multi-purpose handhelds. The consumer will have the choice of platform, and capability - a small sleek phone, a smartphone, a sub-tablet or a gaming device. They'll all have similar capabilities and there will be no meaningful functional difference. These devices will all integrate with the main system at home via the ubiquitous wireless Internet. The things that will differentiate are services and exclusive software. Every hardware maker can make a sexy, hand held that can do all of this, but unless it has the services that people want, it'll be no good.
Sony is going in that direction. PS4 will integrate further, development environments will facilitate easy movement between console and hand held, and the level of integration will increase. Whatever follows the Vita from Sony will probably be the first of these multi-purpose devices that can manage that totally end to end integration on the move. PSN will become the backbone to this as the main service that Sony customers will want. Exclusive games will continue to drive things for those that want the games.
All that said, it's gonna be a bloody battle. This upcoming shift encompasses cellphones, tablet devices, PCs, network services and software. Microsoft as a software company is well placed for some of this. Sony has it's hands in most of the areas concerned from cellphones to PCs to game consoles to home entertainment. As a CE manufacturer they know about making hardware, and although they are not a business software giant like Microsoft, their software expertize resides in the living room and on the handhelds. Nintendo is least well placed for all of this as they are the most dependent on pure gaming.
I think we will still have a 'console' in the home, but it will be that central entertainment system in the home that we've been told for years we're moving towards. The handhelds will be hugely capable and be tethered via the wireless Internet to the home console. Users will have access to everything anywhere as the 'console' will simply scale and stream whatever content that's required. The handhelds will be phones, but they'll be VOIP based.
Well I seem to have gone off on a flight of fancy again. But, that's where I see things going...
It's gonna be an interesting ride.
BikerSaint
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:25:27 AM
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Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:56:44 AM
They showed the controller because it's easier to mock up, but it only ran two tech demos, neither of which will be future games, so in essence Nintendo showed *nothing*. It was actually a masterful performance because they fooled much of the gaming media and nearly all the Nintendo fanbase into thinking they were seeing something that literally was not there. The 3rd party game footage was PS3 and 360 sourced, and their own stuff wasn't run live and could have been pre-rendered on a test rig, or a development Wii.
Nintendo showed *nothing* and people lauded them for it.
That emperor is naked you know, bare, running around in the buff, unclothed. It is a nude emperor.
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BikerSaint
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 12:06:22 PM
Yeah I know, and to top it off Nity showed almost all those game vid footage that were actually taken from either the PS3 or the 360 too, WTF?????.........
Fils-Aime admits to using PS3, 360 footage in presser
Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime has admitted that many of the videos used in the Wii U showreel at E3 consisted of footage from Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the games, but insisted that Wii U games will be comparable.
Speaking in an interview with Game Trailers after the publisher's onstage presentation of its new console, Fils-Aime seemed unabashed that the gameplay videos has been purloined from other platforms, pointing out that expecting footage from a machine still a year from launch is overly optimistic.
"Absolutely," replied Fils-Aime when asked if the footage came from 360 and PS3. "Because we're talking a year away from when this system's going to launch."
Game Trailers' Geoff Keighley then asked Fils-Aime if he expected the Wii U titles to have the same visual fidelity as Sony and Microsoft's machines.
"In terms of how good it looks it's going to be driven by what the individual developers do," he answered. "It's going to be 1080p, it's going to be high definition...
"You're going to see games that take full advantage of a system that has the latest technology and can push out some incredible graphics."
In the same interview, the NOA president also insisted that the Wii U would offer the customer a great value proposition, but would not be drawn on a specific price.
"What I want to focus on is, is it going to offer the consumer a competitive value when it comes out? And the answer is, absolutely."
Fils-Aime drew a distinction between the ideas of value and price, refusing to put even a ballpark figure on the console "You're talking price and I'm talking value," he said.
"What I'm saying is that it's going to have a fantastic value - value defined as what you get, all of these great new experiences for what you pay, is going to be absolutely competitive."
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Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 12:16:38 PM
"It's going to be 1080p, it's going to be high definition...
"You're going to see games that take full advantage of a system that has the latest technology and can push out some incredible graphics."
"What I want to focus on is, is it going to offer the consumer a competitive value when it comes out? And the answer is, absolutely."
Fils-Aime (Kutaragi?) drew a distinction between the ideas of value and price, refusing to put even a ballpark figure on the console "You're talking price and I'm talking value," he said.
"What I'm saying is that it's going to have a fantastic value - value defined as what you get, all of these great new experiences for what you pay, is going to be absolutely competitive."
...spooky.
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slugga_status
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 1:52:45 PM
Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 3:12:30 PM
Qubex
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 7:24:38 PM
Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 10:27:32 PM
maxpontiac
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:39:15 AM
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However..
I am concerned to what impact a certain DVD using machine will have on multiplatform games. Rage is due out soon, at it's shipping on 3 DVDs and one Bluray. To me, this means that every time I see a one DVD game, I am not getting my moneys worth.
As much as I love 3rd party games, in the future, I may not want to purchase them unless I see 3-5 DVD's on the other console. I am not being a "fanboy", but just someone who values where he spends his hard earned money.
Something to think about.
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Looking Glass
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:51:34 AM
Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 11:59:03 AM
Alienange
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 1:45:44 PM
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The grand majority of this generations gaming innovation is software development. Even motion controls would have been dead on arrival if someone hadn't thought to use it for bowling. All new tech requires the right application to make it sell.
Look at something as "simple" as multiplayer. All the devs are jumping on board because gamers love it. But has it been perfected? Nope. Many many games are lacking in both the technical know-how (dropped connections and lag still abound) as well as intelligent design (we STILL have spawn camping and "turn around you're out of bounds" nonsense).
I think the generations to come will be a lot more software driven rather than hardware. Hardware will of course still progress, but it will not be as game defining as it once was.
Highlander
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 1:56:49 PM
Hardware is/was defining because TV resolution was going up. Looking at games from the Atari 2600 through to PS3/360 and you see constant improvement in fidelity. But, it took until the PS2 generation for game hardware to finally hit the full resolution of the TVs of the time. HDTV tops out at 1080p and is still in the middle of consumer adoption. Broadcast TV tops out at 720p/1080i. Considering that the maximum resolution any game requires to render to for now and the next decade at least is 1080p. I've been saying this for years now, the next generation isn't about increasing resolution. All the additional power in the machines might enable 3D or other effects, possibly even ray tracing. But increased resolution past 1080p is not on the agenda. Hardware is no longer an issue. There's some doubt as to whether higher resolution than 1080p is even reasonable in the home setting because of the human eye's ability to distinguish the individual pixels at the viewing range in a typical situation. So, you're right, the hardware is not going to be a determining factor with the next generation of console, the determining factors will be device integration, software and services.
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Underdog15
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 2:54:46 PM
Darwin1967
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 2:07:44 PM
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Note: Just re-decorated my kids room and decided they were old enough to have their own video game console in their room, so I hooked up my old PS2 system and it's working like a charm! If they don't destroy the PS2, I'll actually get my 60gig YLOD PS3 repaired and let them have it for xmas :)
MyWorstNightmar
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 2:25:03 PM
RadioHeader
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 2:26:34 PM
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Excelsior1
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 4:06:36 PM
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another thing is 60 fps. hardly any games support that. a game that runs at 60 fps just feels and plays better. i look forward to 1080p 60 fps games with great textures on the next round of consoles. the 1st company that makes a system that can deliver on that i will buy a console from. unless, it's ms. sorry, i can't help it. i dispise them.
Dreno
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 4:11:25 PM
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I'm still very much in love with my ps3, as ive only had it for a little over a year or so.
That's not to say that I won't be excited when the ps4 does get announced. I just hope it'll be bc compatable. Id hate to have to have 2 systems to play all my games, not that its a bad thing though, jut less clutter and less for my son to get into.
I think I may start saving money for the ps4 though. So when it drops ill be ready. Although, I proabably won't get it day, ill wait for all the kinks to be worked out. And buy one when its got its legs.
Looking forward to the next gen, but I can definately wait.
Ludicrous_Liam
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 4:49:38 PM
Ludicrous_Liam
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 4:48:37 PM
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tes37
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 7:59:25 PM
Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:44:02 AM
AaronDude
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 5:49:36 PM
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I don't think the PS3 is gonna make it another five or six years. I'm not completely sure what kind of ram and how much the PS3 has but I know it's not much. I think this is the biggest limitation of the PS3 by far. I think it may have another three years left in it though. That could be enough time for some games to come out for it that I finally like. So far the only ones I've liked on it are the alchemist of arland and NHL11.
godsdream
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 7:40:10 PM
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And from my point of view, the PS3 is going to gain more momentum now, like the ps2 did, I mean with games. I remember when GT3 went out I was amazed, and in day one I said "I can't imagine how GT4 graphics will be", And years later GT4 went out and OMG!, THERE was a difference. For me is like the same this time, and cointidentialy still think the same with GT franchise, I think GT5 is amazing, GT6 will be out of this world and shock even martians. And we'll see this same syndrome from other games also. And all this is thanks to them, to Sony mainly, for giving long enough life to consoles.
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PharaohJR
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 7:57:20 PM
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when i use to play previous generations of systems i would think how they need to have this & that featured in the next system but with the ps3 i cant think of something that should be in the next Ps. all the features of Ps3 & more keep getting announced as time go by just leaves me mindless for innovation.
*off topic
this E3 was Nintendo e3. i still have yet to watch the whole thing but i seen numerous games that makes me say F$%# waiting on repairing my ps3 i need 1 now. its a bunch of titles that had me amazed & it was a couple i was looking forward to but didnt hear nothing about them.
godsdream
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 8:03:56 PM
PharaohJR
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 10:07:37 PM
appreciate it. love 90s rx7s u know rotaries are monsters. bout last paragraph i dont believe nintendo delivered the best i meant this e3 was primarily bout the wii2. u gotta agree with me on the games that were displayed this e3 i mean its a great amount of multiplat & exclusives bout to drop. if its something else that cause the thumbs down speak on it.
Qubex
Thursday, June 09, 2011 @ 10:08:17 PM
What Sony don't want is any PS4 talk hurting potential PS3 sales... this is quite understandable... but what ever they are cooking up now in their labs... I am hoping that the PS4 will give 2 important basics... that is 1080p at 60fps with no compromise... be it exclusive or multi-platform engines... it must really shine with enough memory and power to not have the visual issues and sub-HD resolution we have seen with some games...
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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___________
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 4:19:53 AM
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we dont want, nor need new consoles just yet.
recently read articles with john carmack and a lead game designer from insomniac about next gen consoles.
both agree next gen consoles wont be like current gen consoles only ushered in for graphical enhancements, they will be ushered in for so much more.
social media is the next step forward, replace the digital set top boxes, replace the DVRs, replace foxtell, replace everything in your media cabinet with just a next gen system.
obviously that idea has its flaws, as the saying goes the more toys, the more things to go wrong.
and if something breaks inside, say the media drive not only cant you watch movies or games, but you loose all the other features too as you send it in for repairs.
but hopefully that will be overcome, making things that can last for 10 years is not that hard!
cool idea in a few years time all you will need is a next gen console, speakers and a TV.
replace everything, with one thing!
will be interesting to see how fast internet services evolve, would be nice to have streaming services but the tech is no where near ready yet, especially here!
a cable connection is the norm here, remember reading a study done a few months ago and it said only a mere 12% of Australian households have access to ADSL2 connections!
only 12%!
that means 88% of aussies are stuck with cable or worse, that means were stuck with really low download usages!
largest cable cap ive been able to find was telstra were going to give us 50GBs per month but it was going to cost us a bomb so we refused.
if we had access to ADSL2 we could get unlimited, for a fraction of the price were paying!
so would be nice to see streaming becoming a standard for next gen consoles, but not enough people have access to the required facilities yet.
Dancemachine55
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 7:56:18 AM
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PS3 was advanced in almost all areas except RAM and disc speed. If the PS4 simply fixed the RAM and disc speed issues, used a new graphics card, it'd still be on par or even beat the next gen stuff from Ninty and MS.
I think Uncharted 3 is reaching for the PS3's limit, but hasn't quite touched it yet. Even when it does hit it's limit, it can be optimised for better performance. Look at Resident Evil 4, God of War 2 and Shadow of the Colossus on PS2, blew the expected limit of the console out of the water!!!
So far, exclusives are really the only thing testing the PS3, no multiplat game has come even close to pushing the PS3 beyond 2/3 of its capabilities, which says a lot about the competition.
Highlander
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:22:25 AM
I don't know about Uncharted 3 reaching the limits, that remains to be seen, then again it has several more months of polish time with ND, so we'll see.
Regarding the PS2 and things that blew the lid off the expected capability. the best example is GT4 and the Nordschleife course. GT4 rendered that in 480p or 1080i, the track was far, far, far larger than could be held in memory on the PS2 and so the entire thing was streamed from the DVD in real time. It worked flawlessly, even on my old, original 1st generation phat PS2 which wasn't even capable of de-interlacing DVDs for playback. What Polyphony achieved in GT4 was remarkable enough since the game rendered in 480i/480p or 1080i, but the inclusion of Nordschleife demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that the PS2 had life left in it - even in 2005.
When we hit the same plateau with PS3 where games appear to have leveled out in terms of improvement, it will only be ND, Polyphony and their like that squeeze more from it. but look at inFamous 2, graphically it's better in just about every way possible than inFamous, no sign yet of 'maxing out'.
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Fane1024
Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 6:39:27 PM
reaching FOR the limits
@ Dance
I suspect M$'s next machine will destroy anything the PS3 can do, as I'm sure will the PS4. Especially after 6+ years, a generational jump needs to be more significant than some extra RAM. The PS3 isn't THAT future-proof. :D
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SS4
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 8:49:11 AM
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Graphic card evolve every year so to keep a graphic card in a system for 10 year when that graphic card wasnt even at the high end variant when it was picked is a definite weakness and it makes graphic improvement slow down.
Hopefully we get a new console generation soon so we can truly get nice graphics on both console and PC (which is affected by this thanks to multiplat...)

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