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"Boring" Skyrim E3 Presence: Accurate Or Subjective?

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is one of the most anticipated titles of 2011 and yet, it has received a whole lot of backlash from a seemingly "sleep-inducing" E3 presentation.

Apparently, it doesn't seem like much of an upgrade over the last iteration (Oblivion) as only the ability to cast magic with one hand and use a weapon in the other was featured. In fact, they spent 35 minutes showing off that feature, along with a big ol' dragon, which would qualify as another addition. But it just didn't go over well, at least with that one source - and a few others - but the hardcore role-players are all saying the same thing: "the only people who should be evaluating Skyrim are hardcore role-players."

Now, there is some validity to that. Skyrim really only appeals to a certain crowd and if you're not a member of that crowd, you will almost undoubtedly peg the game as "boring." Perhaps those who just adore the open-world freedom in every Elder Scrolls watched that presentation with great anticipation, knowing, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that they'll dump another few hundred hours into Skyrim when it arrives. It's one of those games that either hooks you immediately and holds you for a long time or turns you off almost instantly. Therefore, "boring" may be a case of subjectivity over quality.

We have a lot of role-playing fans around here, so what do you think? Maybe only the demo at E3 was boring and not well presented; that can happen, even with great games. But does that affect your interest in the game? If not, why?

Related Game(s): The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Tags: skyrim, the elder scrolls v, e3 2011, oblivion

6/11/2011 10:21:41 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (63 posts)

Danny007
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:47:04 AM
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I'm probably the person who is least into RPG's, but I gotta admit, this game has really impressed a lot. After I saw the episode of GTTV that featured this game, I was immediately hooked. So, I don't care how well it was at E3, I'm still looking forward to playing it on day 1.

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Reccaman18
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:52:59 AM
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anyone that has played Oblivion knows from all they have talked about is leaps and bounds over it. boring? I dont think so. skyrim is a lot more than just dual wielding weapons and magic. the demo i saw went through lots of things that bethesda has added and improved upon for this game. im sure it will silence most of the critics when it releases.

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friction
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:04:45 AM
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Definitely not looking boring to me anyways.
Then again I'm an addict and have been waiting for my next fix of elder's scrolls for a while now O.o

However I really wish they built in a freaking multiplayer element... So we'll see what I stick with this fall, it's probably going to be dark souls, and probably just because of their co-op system which I hear will be even more important. None the less looking forward to both these games.

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jimmyhandsome
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:05:56 AM
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The game does certainly only appeal to a certain type of person. I tried out Morrowind on the orginal Xbox and as much as I tried and tried, I just could not get into it. I spent about 10 hours on the game but it just wasn't for me. In an open world setting, I'd much prefer a GTA or inFamous type game. I know that they're apples and oranges but the Elder Scrolls series is more slow paced to my liking.A demo would probably appear "boring" to most people, as 30 minutes isn't really enough time to showcase the game.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:05:59 AM
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All I will say is I can't wait for this game! Right behind Uncharted 3, it's my most anticipated game!

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Temjin001
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:12:12 AM
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Boring as in not submitting to the trend of over the top cinematics and simple minded entertainment.

If Skyrim stays true to the Elder Scrolls heritage of slower methodical play, then all the more reason for fans to value it.

The concept of "fun" being the only impetus for playing games is an annoying one. Just hop over to CVG and read their article about how games "shouldn't be like GT5 and KZ3 and be fun instead"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:50:40 PM

I won't even pollute my mind with their drivel

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sticklife
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:08:22 PM

Have you got a link? I went and looked but wasn't able to find it.

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oldmike
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:36:40 AM
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G4 TV were gaga over this game and there not nice to most RPGs
some were calling it game of the show

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Naztycuts
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:22:23 PM
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I'll stick with Dark Souls, Bethesda releases buggy games, the ps3 versions anyway. Plus it's 2011 and I think it's absurd they haven't incorporated co op into it, but then again it would probably piss off the SP purists and make the game entirely too easy.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:43:56 PM

Why does everything have to be co op to be enjoyable? Listen I'm all for co op in fact what they did with the Uncharted 2 mp co op was a lot of fun. But I seriously would be really disappointed if ND ever took the campaign and made it revolve around co op. Same goes for an open world game. RDR was a blast too play online just running around with friends but ultimately the story was about one person, Marston. Not Marston and his sidekick. SP for a game like this keeps the story grounded. The moment you add a second player, your character doesn't have as much significance on the world, the story, or surroundings. But I will say it no doubt would be fun to run around with a buddy clearing some caves!

In defense of most open world games, they all are buggy, so calling out Bethesda doesn't hold much relevance when other developers run into the same issues with these "huge" games. It's just what we have to deal with, if it's tough to look past, I understand though.

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Claire C
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:29:16 PM

@bigrailer19

I completely agree. =^.^=

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Alienange
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:52:08 PM

Co-op? Are you kidding me? You can count on two fingers how many RPGs have co-op. What does it being 2011 have to do with anything?

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SympoziumPawa
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:02:11 PM

Eh... Monster Hunter is really fun when working with other players but adding adding co-op to Elder Scrolls would be strange. It would be cool if I was able to gather a party of 4-players... though

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Neo_Aeon666
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:43:00 PM

Well as much as the single player experience is the focus of skyrim I really wouldn't mind an online co-op with 1 friend. Same quests more monsters or harder. Not anything complicated. Just to add in a little extra fun and maybe duel your friends :D :D lol

Did you guys play Baldurs Gate Shadows of Amn? Was a pure rpg all about the single player campaing but they had that cool tcp ip mode to add a buddy to your party haha I so loved that.

Basically just trying to say that as long as they don't neglect the single player a small coop feature could be nice

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Beamboom
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:55:01 AM

Regarding coop they could have done it exactly like in Borderlands: When a new player is added the game just instantly increase the mob difficulty (more mobs taking and dealing more damage) and everything else remains the same.
Simple formula, but it works like a charm.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 2:48:32 AM

Borderlands is a game that was built around coop though that's the difference. I love borderlands my roomates and I still put it in for some LAN fun. But it was built for coop. The elder scrolls is not. As I said in my post above the moment you add a second player, your character within that world becomes less relevant to the story, and surroundings and the choices you make no longer are yours, so any morale system is then deterred by the second player. Games built for single player just don't work well when adding coop more specifically story driven games and games with any choice or morale system. Which is why ND was smart by implementing co op as an alternate to the single player campaign, in UC2, and the upcoming UC3 because those games are built for and around Drakes stories!



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Beamboom
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 4:50:12 AM

I do not agree with that BigRailer, as long as two conditions are met: Firstly that coop is an OPTION in the game, secondly that you play the game with a buddy motivated to play the game with you - not just some random network gamers.

When you are two playing a campaign in cooperation, you are of course together in deciding the course ahead and the eventual moral decisions that is to be made.
But that's a given the moment you decide to indeed share this experience with a friend instead of going solo.
In Saints Row a similar challenge were solved in that the host's stance with the different "factions" (gangs) were used when playing coop. Simple solutions are often the best.

So instead of being one character with it's relevance to the story, you are now two. We could go into a lengthy discussion about how this could be implemented from a rpg point of view, and I think that is an interesting topic indeed, but I guess that's far beyond the scope of this thread.

Bottom line is that I believe rpg is a really good genre for some *quality* coop gaming.
Not many rpg's other than mmorpgs offer that today, but it would be awesome if they started doing so... In my opinion, of course.


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bigrailer19
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 10:24:09 AM

I would love it if they could incorporate coop into more rpg's. I think borderlands did it very well. I also really want Dragon Age series to have co op, there is already a party system. I'm not against it, but it better work, and it better not take away from the story, and the decisions you make have to be substantial still. Otherwise it will completely ruin a game like oblivion, and from what I understand Skyrim.

I'm not a single player elitist, but I do enjoy a great single player experience. If that experience has to be downplayed for the sake of coop, count me out. That's my stance on the issue, not that coop isn't a good idea.

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Beamboom
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 11:24:58 AM

I think we agree on everything. The single player experience must not be hampered with. And you got a good point about rpgs with party system, it should be a lot easier to implement coop there.

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CaptRon
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:35:57 PM
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Looked amazing to me. Bunch of haters.

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Clamedeus
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 12:44:04 PM
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I can't wait for Skyrim along with Dark Souls. :P

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effective
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:16:01 PM
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Well, TES IV: Oblivion sold:

3.23 million copies on 360, &

2.14 million copies on PS3

The Elder Scrolls series has more fans than this article implies.

What's funny is citing "SarcasticGamer" and nothing else. Who is this "whole lot" you speak of?

Maybe the author here is among the few that simply "doesn't get it." If True, that's really too bad.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 3:04:01 PM

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

I was implying exactly the opposite; that the original article's author "didn't get it."

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:52:34 PM

maybe that's who he meant? Hard to tell, his writing is off too.

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 3:39:16 AM

Communication not very effective.

;P

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Beamboom
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 5:12:17 AM

Well, in "effective"'s defence, Ben did write "it has received a whole lot of backlash". That could be understood as "backlash from several different sources" in addition to the referred source.
Actually that's how I read it too.

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Claire C
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:34:00 PM
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I think Skyrim looks amazing, NOT boring. Can't think of anything else to say. =^.^=

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 5:53:41 PM

Definitely amazing, some folks can't appreciate the environment and depth in a game because when they watch the footage there aren't bullets flying and bodies falling the whole time.

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Alienange
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 1:59:24 PM
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They saw a half-hour of Skyrim and they're complaining that it's boring? Wow. Personally, it only took a single minute long trailer to tell me it's going to be great.

Besides, everyone knows it's not how you use your spells that make this series great, it's the world they put you in. No other open world game can touch Elder Scrolls in depth and detail. For those who know how to role play and don't need to be led by the nose, it's an insta-buy.

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JonahFalcon
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:04:10 PM
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I attended the E3 press briefing and it was ANYTHING but boring.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:42:37 PM
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It's all about immersion into a detailed world with endless possibilities. Just like some people aren't qualified to pass judgement on a detailed racing simulator like GT5, some people aren't qualified to pass judgement on this kind of experience either. "Boring" is extremely subjective. I was amazed and must own this game.

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Zen_Zarab
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:48:17 PM
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It was amazing! The major graphical improvement from Oblivion alone, was enough to keep me hooked.

Why do I feel like i've said this before.... O.o

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Scarecrow
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 2:57:31 PM
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Reminds me of the unqualified Gran Turismo 5 reviewers.

If you don't know anything about the genre and are completely unqualified and clueless then don't pass judgment*

I don't like Elder Scrolls but I do acknowledge its quality.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:08:13 PM

great minds..

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:35:57 PM

I agree. I can't stand Elder Scrolls games, but i respect the amount of effort that goes into it.

Personally, i just dont like a game that doesnt have a strong central story. Elder Scrolls games just feel too open and i dont feel like theres any force driving me forward. I can't just di** around in a game for hours.

But i do respect the amount of time and resources that go into making a world that huge, that actually feels alive. The AI is great, the cities feel like people live in them, and the plethora of different items make treasure hunting actually rewarding.

"Do not like" isnt the same as "is not good."

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JROD0823
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 4:50:56 PM
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I had never played The Elder Scolls before Oblivion, but that game single-handedly transformed my viewpoint on RPGs. I don't care who thought Skyrim looked boring, all I care about is the fact that on November 11, I will be playing a spectacular game and all of those who pass on it are going to be missing out.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:02:32 PM

Same here about oblivion changing my mind about them also. At first I was literally thinking "wow how can people get into this?" Then the pacing, story, leveling and quests picked up and I couldn't put the game down. That world I was put in was amazing, and so dang big. I never got bored, and I certainly have a different view on rpg's because of oblivion. So many hours logged in and to think after every character I had I still loved experiencing that world.

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NoSmokingBandit
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:37:22 PM

I'm going to pass on it, but i wont be missing out. I just dont enjoy that style of game so the only thing i'd me "missing out" on is something i dont enjoy anyway.

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bigrailer19
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:09:09 PM

Nothing wrong with not liking it. Like I said I had trouble when first starting the game (oblivion). In fact I'm pretty sure I put it down for a week or so here and then, mainly because I wasn't an rpg fan, and the pacing was slow after leaving the sewers. But I kept going back because I was intrigued regardless and about 3-4 hours in I realized I was absolutely hooked. Because of Oblivion I understand rpg's and ultimately realized why I wasn't into them before. Now I can play the crap out of them and in many cases many playthroughs. I still go back to oblivion here and there, especially the shivering isles expansion, what a world that was! Wow I just realized how much I do miss playing this game when I'm not!

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SixSpeedKing
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 11:42:36 PM

As JROD and Bigrailer previously said, Oblivion was my first real RPG and man was I blown away!
The world that you are thrust into is so "living" and it sucked me in completely for many hours. It remains one of my all time favorite games and I can't wait for Skyrim.

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DarthSayver21
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:21:58 PM
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You know what surprised the hell out of me? One of my best friends who hates the MGS series, GT, Uncharted series, anything related to Star Wars, But he treasures the CoD series (no hes not an xbot, doesnt even own a 360) He saw the skyrim gameplay and i was thinking to myself 'Bet he thinks this boring'. Out of no were he jumps and screams 'AWESOME' now he cant shut up about SKYRIM. Hes even considering trying FF, and there you have it people that was what surprised the hell out of me. :)
thank you for your time if you read this.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 6:38:05 PM
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Definitely subjective. I'd hardly consider myself a hardcore role-playing fan, but Oblivion drew me in like few other games can and although Skyrim won't be a day 1 for me, I'm really hoping that it can be a chrissy game. Flashy, fast paced gameplay isn't necessary if you have an adventure that will last over a hundred hours, and that is why some people will find Skyrim boring... although maybe someone should have told Level 5 that. Me and WKC2 ain't gellin' at the moment. Back to it, I guess.
Peace.

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GuyverLT
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:30:59 PM
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I haven't tried out any of the Elder Scroll games, cause I thought they were all FPS style titles and I've already said I don't care For FPS titles, but it was brought to my attention that you could actually play the games in FPS or 3rd person.

So now after I'm finished with my current games I'll be checking out Oblivion and Skyrim when it comes out.

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Lawless SXE
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 9:47:01 PM

First person is not the same as first person shooter... And either format works equally well, unlike Fallout. But yeah, FPS ES most certainly is NOT!

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bigrailer19
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:11:40 PM

Even though the main view is first person there is an alternate third person view as well. If that's what's been holding you back I suggest picking up the goty edition and trying it out.

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Fane1024
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 3:45:41 AM

I played Oblivion almost entirely in 3P view. The animations aren't ideal, but the game plays better that way IMO. Like you, I am, however, not a fan of 1P view.

p.s. Get the 5th anniversary version; it will come with all extra content, which is still expensive on PSN and not easy to find separately on disc.



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GuyverLT
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 12:36:41 PM

@Lawless I know that much it's just I don't like playing games where I can't see my ENTIRE character.

I just like playing games from the 3rd person view.

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bigrailer19
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:12:02 PM

Oblivion will take you a long while to play it thoroughly including "the shivering isles" expansion. I'd suggest giving yourself atleast 3 months to play through oblivion. I have over 250 hours of gameplay with just one of my characters.

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GuyverLT
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:57:22 PM

WOW! REALLY??? I remember people saying how long the game was...

Right now there are just TOO MANY games that have my attention right now so I'll just wait to Skyrim comes out then I'll get them both.

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sirbob6
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 7:35:22 PM
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Boring? Blasphemy!
Okay so I probably won't pick this up until I have Dark Souls under my belt but it is on the list.

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SympoziumPawa
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 8:20:39 PM
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Oh god....... I can't wait, in the meantime Dark Souls will destroy me, that games going to be insane. Yeah!, I'm ready to die but I won't fall that easily to the creatures of darkness!!

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ima420r
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 8:31:37 PM
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Who DIDN'T like Skyrim?!?! Really, it was one of the best things at E3.

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FM23
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 8:41:09 PM
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Well I want this badly so I think I dont care about it's E3 downfall.

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godsdream
Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 10:25:48 PM
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My guess is that it has a lot more features, or lets say details. This game is just for certain type of gamers, and those will enjoy every kb written on that disc.

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___________
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 2:40:46 AM
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id say sleep inducing, but then thats exactly what elder scrolls did to me!
watching freaking Opra is more entertaining then playing elder scrolls!
BF3 demo really disappointed me too, after all the really cool demos they have showed off, the decide to bring to the worlds largest gaming convention 10 minutes of tank battles?
that describes perfectly what was wrong with E3 this year!
biggest gaming convention of the year, and 99% of the stuff showed off was pretty lackluster.

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bigufofoot
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 4:39:03 AM
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Hmm... No offence to anyone reading, or the author. It seems to me that everyone just expects big flashy CGI trailers and booth babes, in order to appreciate the time and effort of game developers. Todd Howard did an excellent job of showing the actual game, and trying to show E3 and fans how much time and effort was put into Skyrim. We should take a step back and consider what's more important? The flashy trailer of a crappy game, or the demo showing the improvements of a great series...

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 4:53:27 AM
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it has been a while since i played oblivion, but i certainly can understand how some might view it as boring. there were a ton of boring side quests. go talk to bob, and get a potion for mary. zzz...

this game looks a lot better. my main concern is bethesda's past work on the ps3 has not been so great. buggy as hell. even after patches. there are parts in the fallout games that i swear ran at 5 to 10 fps. i thought my ps3 was going to explode.

i hear it's a new engine, but all they keep showing is 360 footage. if thre ps3 version is ok then i think i'm getting this game.

as for boring footage. that falls on the developer. they need to make sure what they show is exciting. some developers seem to know how to knock people's socks off, while others seem to know how to shoot themselves in the the foot. sounds like bethesda just gave a bad demonstation of the game. at least that's what i hope.

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Beamboom
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 5:19:37 AM

Dude, I agree with every single word you write there.
Of all the anticipated titles for 2011, Skyrim is the one I will most carefully read the reviews on before I decide to buy.

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Robochic
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 8:22:19 AM
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Ya my husband was not impressed either, he's really looking forward to the new star wars game for the PC though he just thought that Skyrim would be amaizng but say's he'll be reading reviews way before he puts his money in to this game.

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Jotun
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 12:13:09 PM
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I've been an Elder Scrolls player since Arena and I've absolutelly started to despise Bethesda's cookie-cutter mold for the series since Daggerfall. Everything from the skills, to the weapon/item sets, to the enemies, and even the story direction(you start as a prisoner in every single one of them...) has been the same for almost 20 years and yet gamers seem to want to swallow them up and call this series the best rpg series ever. I don't think that in the least. Oblivion and Morrowind were great games, but they're the same exact great games that preceeded them 10 years prior.

Now here comes Skyrim, a game I wasn't all that excited about because I knew it was just going to be more of the same from old Bethesda. But then I started to see the completelly redesigned interface(finally), new and HUGE enemy types(finally), an evolved combat mechanic/system(finally), a luscious, colorful world(somewhat finally), up to snuff facial expression animation(FINALLY!) and perhaps a story that, while still not mind-blowing, could be much more interesting than their previous offerings. I'm sorry here folks, but I've literally followed this series from day 1, played all the Gaidens like Redguard and Battlespire, and this is actually the first time Bethesda is taking chances and expanding a series left to stagnation. I don't understand in the least how anyone who's played the previous outtings could ever consider this game "boring".

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CrusaderForever
Sunday, June 12, 2011 @ 1:25:37 PM
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I am sad, I wish they would re-release Oblivion with trophy support. I would leave my house right now and buy it! I beat Oblivion on the PC but cannot play through a 100 hour game again with so many good games out. If there was trophy support, I would do it. Skyrim is going to be amazing! This dork just wanted to be different and say it looks boring. Everything I have seen looks amazing! I will be my own critic on this one. D1P for me!

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Crabba
Wednesday, June 15, 2011 @ 5:42:06 PM
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I wasn't overly impressed with the Skyrim demo, that's not to say it won't be great, but it didn't look better than Oblivion, and the gameplay shown wasn't overly exciting either.

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Yup, I'm nabbing this one now.
Yes, but I'm waiting for a while.
Maybe...not sure yet.
No, not interested.

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