Pachter: Vita Was "Solid" At E3, Wii U "2 Years Too Late"
See Full ImageE3 is over and done with; it's time for the analysts to weigh in.
Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter touched on various highlights for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo; as for Sony, while he believes the PlayStation Vita has the "second-dumbest name for a device after the Wii U," he says the company still had a "solid presentation." He also expressed surprise at the agreeable price ($249 for the non-3G model and $299 for the 3G-enabled model). Pachter added:
"We expect the 3DS to sell well at holiday, due to a phenomenal lineup of content, but think that the PS Vita will capture some share early next year. Solid sales of each device should bode well for GameStop, which will likely receive preferential allocations. Sony also continued to try to integrate its other consumer electronics products into its E3 presentation by announcing a 3DTV PlayStation-branded bundle priced at $499, which we expect to sell exceedingly well."
Regarding the Wii U, Pachter said it was "the most impactful' announcement at the show, but it's coming "two years too late."
"The most impactful 'reveal' at the show was the Wii U, which, in our opinion, is arriving two years too late. Depending on pricing, the system will be either a phenomenal success or a phenomenal failure, as competitive bundles for Xbox 360 with Kinect and PS3 with Move are likely to be priced below $300 by the time the Wii U launches."
For Microsoft, Pachter said the company seems to be "making several sound business decisions that will position its console with Kinect as the media center of the living room." He finished by saying the game lineup wasn't "particularly surprising," but the "integration of Bing search into Kinect was perhaps the most impactful announcement of the show."
...we have to assume he's talking specifically about Microsoft's conference.
Tags: e3 2011, michael pachter, playstation vita, wii u
6/13/2011 2:21:11 PM Ben Dutka
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godsman
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 6:38:52 PM
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Crabba
Wednesday, June 15, 2011 @ 5:20:57 PM
Of course, if he was talking strictly about the MS show that doesn't really say much since their presentation had no highlights whatsoever...
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jimmyhandsome
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:32:12 PM
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He really didn't say much out of the obvious here, though, and I agree with just about everything he said.
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Jawknee
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 5:49:26 PM
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jimmyhandsome
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 5:53:57 PM
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godsman
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 6:42:55 PM
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dlte
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:32:45 PM
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except that Bing is a joke...
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Fane1024
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 10:14:23 PM
Bing is the greatest search engine in the history of the universe.
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Excelsior1
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:34:53 PM
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as for nintendo. it would be really foolish to underestimate them at this point. the wiiu will be popular. if nintendo makes a serious effort at the core gamers, and has a decent online componet it's day1p for me.
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bigrailer19
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:41:46 PM
If it does then thats great I'm not rooting against them, but personally I'm not looking at this as some sort of nintendo dominance. I can't praise something I'm not looking forward too, but I admire what they've done. After the wii, Nintendo lost me. They've made some great moves, they've done some good things, but Nintendo isn't what I remember growing up. Ive moved on, because Nintendo, despite what they say are not catering to me. They havnt impressed me this generation one bit. I guess we'll always have Mario though!
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BikerSaint
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:48:00 PM
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godsman
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 6:50:21 PM
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BikerSaint
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:50:39 PM
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Clamedeus
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:02:32 PM
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ColTater
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:40:25 PM
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Highlander
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:53:00 PM
Biker....*I* am the Pachter....
</Vader>
Well, not really.....
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Clamedeus
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:36:23 PM
LOL
@Highlander
xD Or are you? O_o dundundunn
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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 12:24:16 AM
That's actually Nathan Drake's latest find
Nathan has finally found SE's hidden slush fund vault, with the money given by M$ to make FFXIII a multiplat.
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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:56:52 PM
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vicious54
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:59:51 PM
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Haha, underestimate the power of Nintendo, that was hilarious.
For Sony and Microsoft it really wouldn't be that much of an issue to have one controller, but for Nintendo with their games they would be insane to limit the controller to one per console. There would seem to be balancing issues between the tablet vs wiimote controllers especially if they use the controls for Street Fighter for the 3DS. Using the touchscreen to fire fireballs would be way too easy compared to using the wiimote.
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Excelsior1
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:12:47 PM
i never used the word power. i just meant it would be foolish to underestimate nintendo. look at how popular the wii was. no one expected nintendo to pick up the marketshare they have this gen. they really came out of nowhere. i think they have momentum on their side, and know what they are doing. now, it's possible they might not have the same success with wii u. i'm just saying don't count them out.
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vicious54
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:58:09 PM
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Temjin001
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:17:34 PM
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Pachter's line right there secured him his next year's subscription to Xbox Live curtesy of MS =p
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Ludicrous_Liam
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:28:11 PM
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Excelsior1
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:45:58 PM
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Highlander
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 3:51:05 PM
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...we have to assume he's talking specifically about Microsoft's conference.>>>
If Bing integration with Kinect was either the most impactful announcement at E3 in general or at the MS presser alone, there is a major problem. Seriously, my phone already let's me do voice based search and gesture controls on the multi-touch screen. Integrating a search engine with Kinect is impactful? How? Seriously. How?
Regarding the media center point, the PS3 can do all of that and more since it plays CD, DVD and BluRay, as well as Hulu, Netflix et al. Since the Xbox 360 cannot play BluRay at all, it hardly qualifies as a media center, since you at least will need a standalone BluRay player to supplement it. Not seeing the soundness of the Kinect business decisions either. to be honest him claiming the Bing thing as the most impactful from MS rather tells us all we need to know.
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Excelsior1
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:15:08 PM
you mentioned blu ray. you would not believe the misconceptions a lot of people have. a lot of 360 owners swear the video quality of their upscaled dvd's is superior. i was having a debate with a guy while playing kz3. he hardly uses his 360 to play online anymore, but swore the video output quality of his 360 was superior to the ps3. netflix looked better on his 360, and so did movies. he said the ps3 upscaler was crap, and he didn't need blu ray. he was using his 360 as a media hub mainly. i don't know if there was any truth to what this guy was saying, but i have had similar encounters with people who say they don't need or want blu ray.
anyways, here's to hoping ms screws up, and looses some those hardcore gamers with kinect.
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Scarecrow
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:25:53 PM
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Highlander
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:29:59 PM
360 fanboys have been pedaling that line about the scaler since the misconception was around that the PS3 has no hardware scaler. It does, in fact, have a hardware scaler to scale DVD output to HD resolution. It does a pretty good job of it and offeres several options for noise reduction. As for Netflix being better....rubbish. It's the same. And if anyone honestly thinks that the video quality of an upscaled DVD on the 360 is superior to even the upscaled DVD output of a PS3, never mind BluRay output, they need their head examined - for scars and bumps.
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DjEezzy
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:10:37 PM
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Scarecrow
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:28:09 PM
I said it first!
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Excelsior1
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:44:14 PM
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jimmyhandsome
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:46:03 PM
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Excelsior1
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:54:23 PM
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Highlander
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:31:05 PM
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JMO_INDY
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 4:45:32 PM
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jimmyhandsome
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 5:18:37 PM
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Highlander
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:32:03 PM
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Simcoe
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:20:14 AM
lol "Sony-Defense-Squad" that's awesome!!
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Highlander
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:39:03 AM
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jimmyhandsome
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 11:29:19 AM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 5:20:43 PM
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BikerSaint
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 12:36:54 AM
It lasted there 1 day(and only that long cause I was too lazy to uninstall it the last 12 hours)
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StangMan80
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 5:50:15 PM
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Nintendo's path this gen is a joke. They need to get more on the "hard core" gaming side a bit more and come out with games that can compete with quality and not by names.
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StangMan80
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 5:51:37 PM
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Fane1024
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 10:24:40 PM
I can remember when I thought "Xbox 360" was as bad as it could get. Kudos to Ninty. Truly abysmal.
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zabak74
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 7:04:58 PM
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DjEezzy
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 7:09:09 PM
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Jawknee
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 7:37:44 PM
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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 7:51:44 PM
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Jawknee
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 8:06:20 PM
I think I finally agree with PorkChop on something. I can see potential in the Wii U. I think he used L.A. Noire as an example. Brilliant idea in my opinion.
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GuyverLT
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:06:12 PM
REALLY???
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Qubex
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:10:26 PM
I thought Wii was weak, but I think the WiiU could have something here with its updated graphics.
The Nintendo exclusives should look gorgeous on it and may entice a whole new generation of Nintendo fans. There is more than enough space in the market for Nintendo.
I have been doing a lot of reading across the interweb and too me it is interesting to see so much developer support, especially for the bigger franchises and titles. Some developer even went on record saying "bet against Nintendo at your peril".
I think we will all be pleasantly surprised when WiiU is released. I actually hope it does well... Why? Because competition is good. It will keep Sony and M$ on their toes, and keep prices down.
For this round I support Nintendo - I think the industry needs a competitor like Nintendo. Pachter has made a valid point, but we will see if his analysis turns out to be correct. I hope it doesn't!
Q!
"play.experience.enjoy"
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Highlander
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:35:30 PM
Go on, guess.
I'll give you a hint, it's less than 50%.
OK, less than 25%.
Are you getting the picture yet?
Since there's not even a finished specification yet, I could say that none of it was, but I'll stick to less than 25% and be generous.
What I'm annoyed with Nintendo for is showing the WiiU without really having anything to show for it. And none of the video presented is really very accurate since it's all supposed to be representative of the quality of output we can expect. Representative? You only do that when you haven't got a way of showing actual output.
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Jawknee
Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 9:53:33 PM
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 12:27:43 AM
Nothing about the Wii U makes me want to change my bet.
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bigrailer19
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 12:44:03 AM
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Jawknee
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 1:01:35 AM
That's debatable. Nintendo's first party software routinely outsells Sony and MS's software. Now I know sales don't always equal quality but it says something. Also some of Nintendo's franchises like Metroid and Zelda are two of my personal favorites. Even over the best Sony has to offer. Which is just my opinion of course.
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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 9:22:00 AM
Considering the retarded amount of shovelware on the Wii and the fact that it produces about one elite title per year, of course everyone is going to buy that one title. It also helps that there's 10 gajillion Wiis out there, which further skews the sales total.
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Simcoe
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:43:06 AM
I will say it's not surprising, when you look at the DS, that Nintendo has added an additional screen for a home console. It was pointed out that having that extra screen to use as a map for any number of games would be very helpful or to keep track of inventory in an RPG.
Since the NES days, Nintendo has been mainly focused on younger gamers, as those of us who had Nintendo's in the 80's and 90's became adults, Nintendo didn't keep up with out tastes so Sony and MS filled that niche with more mature games. From the press conference, I go the impression that the Wii U will be able to play games that we now only see on the PS3 and 360, and Nintendo has been actively reaching out to those developers and publishers.
Remember a lot of what was shown with regards to the Wii U were only demonstrations of it's functionality. I don't think it'll be out before next years E3.
I do expect it's hardware will enable developers to make games that can easily output 1080p resolutions at 60fps, anything less would be too little for a home console coming out six years after the PS3. I'd also expect storage to be blu-ray range capacity.
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Highlander
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 11:22:07 AM
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Simcoe
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:45:56 AM
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___________
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 5:51:48 AM
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i was really impressed with the stupidly named wiius reveal.
everything i wanted from ninty, and more!
same with vita, really shocked how reasonably priced it is after the ridiculous price of the ps3 and PSP Go and all there limited editions.
was really looking forward to getting one, but after the piss poor customer service they have been giving me the last 2 weeks over my account ive decided im done with the way they treat there customers!
6 f*cking months since i first rang them trying to get my account sorted and they STILL have not done jack sh*t!
rang them 2 weeks ago and they said we can re open your account and replace the funds from there, then rang them every day for updates and today they send me a email saying they cant do that.
so why the ^%$# did they waste my 2 weeks, why not tell me that in the first place?
fine, if this is how they want to treat a loyal customer since the first playstation then they can take the vita and shove it where the sun dont shine!
my lord, and i thought M$ had poor customer support!
i actually had to ring them last week because of the EXACT same problem im having with my PSN account!
foxtell charged my account when i signed up to a first month free subscription.
3 days later they had contacted my bank and sorted everything out i did not have to lift a finger!
full refund, AND i got a months free gold subscription for the inconvenience!
$ony wont give me what i paid for, let alone anything for inconveniences!
3 days, not 6 f*cking months and counting!
what pisses me off the most is i bought infamous 2 hero edition since they told me my account would be opened by the end of last week, now they refuse to give me a refund so thats 200 bucks down the drain!
then theres the 100 i spent for my + subscription.
eh thats fine if $ony want to go to court over a stupid measly 66.20 thats fine so be it!
might as well file a law suit over not keeping my personal details safe either.
ninty, epic games, eidos, bethesda have all been hacked and they let there customers know within DAYS not the WEEKS $ony took!
NEVER did i think it was possible for a company to care less about there customers!
well, i had to see it to believe it!
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Sir Dan
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 7:18:59 AM
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___________
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:00:56 AM
best feature M$ ever added!
foxtell would usually cost a 200+ buck installation fee, minimum of 40 bucks a month subscription fee.
for 50 bucks a month you can get the full xbox catalog, something that would cost you 120 i think it is on a normal box.
making a MASSIVE saving!
ps3 here only has channel 7, ABC and SBS.
360 has every TV channel available!
if thats not media gaming news, then nothing is!
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Highlander
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 11:20:37 AM
"because $ony are to tight a$$ to purchase features like bing and foxtell over to the ps3."
Excuse me? Bing? Who in the he.l sees that as a major need or feature? Seriously, why would Sony *pay* for Bing when they have a perfectly good web browser that can go straight to google, Bing or Yahoo as required? You only have to integrate these things if your console lacks a browser.
As for this BS about media center. Microsoft has been pushing this lie about the 360 being a media center since the early days. Oh, did I say lie, I meant line, but both are appropriate.
I'm not sure why you or anyone else will be watching TV on your Xbox, apart from the compression artifacts that are inevitable, you are chewing through your bandwidth cap. I have cable TV and cable internet. And what most people don't realize is that there is a bandwidth cap of 250GB a month on my account (and everyone else's). However TV and phone services, including HD TV and on demand TV via my cable operator do not count to my Internet use. If on the other hand I decided to kill my TV subscription in favor of watching TV via the Xbox 360, every last thing goes onto my bandwidth cap, and if I am a multi-user household, that cap could well be exceeded. Really, there's no point in funneling TV through your Xbox 360 unless you're a true fanboy, or would rather pay Microsoft instead of your cable operator. Personally, I find that's like choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea.
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___________
Wednesday, June 15, 2011 @ 10:00:52 AM
bings as required a feature as everything else thats been added.
did you even read what i wrote?
1st foxtell is unmetered to bigpond customers, which happens to be about 68% i think the last study showed so you can watch as much crap in HD as you want and not a single KB will be counted towards your download usage!
2nd as i said before its MASSIVELY cheaper to get it through the XBLA gold subscription because the gold subscriptions covering most of the costs.
the sports package alone on the 360 was 10 per month but i know with our IQ2 box were charged 40 a month for the sports package!
ok you might be spending more due to higher download usages, even though as i said around 68% wont due to it being unmetered, but at the end of the day the cost of that is returned twice fold in the savings from the foxtel packages.
excellent quality too, i thought it would look crap and be heavily compressed but its not the qualitys quite good.
did not slow down the net either, i was streaming the state of origin tonight (WOOOOO TAKE THAT YOU SNOBBY MAROONS!) and had no problems logging online checking my emails and doing some gaming news updates.
i thought id take it to a crawl but streaming techs been improved allot!
would be really interesting to see if we could get onlive here.
and if it was unmetered......
see how far we really are from saying goodbye to 3K PC rebuilds every few years, and finally going fully cloud.
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Highlander
Wednesday, June 15, 2011 @ 10:31:07 PM
You're right about the end of the expensive PC builds. I'm very glad to see the back of them. Still, here in the US, live TV on the Xbox is going to eat up the Internet caps on most ISP accounts, and the trouble is, most people don't even know they are there.
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Mornelithe
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 9:55:43 AM
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The PS3 has been the media center gadget for quite some time, Microsoft simply rips into it from the get-go, then quietly adds similar functionality when all the mouthrunning quiets down.
I'll take the web browser...if I really _have_ to have some kind of net functionality shoehorned into my console. Would still much rather use my PC w/ twin monitors though.
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AshT
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Monday, June 13, 2011 @ 2:28:40 PM