PSXE Home Show Debut: Nice Turnout, We'll Do It Again

LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:15:23 PM
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Can't wait :) had a lot of fun in Home for a change. Will be there next time if work allows again!

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duomaxwell007
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:33:02 PM

wolfeh gtfo!!! :p

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Highlander
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:48:13 PM

@duomax...

SayWhatNow?

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:40:11 AM

LOL, don't worry Highlander. Just joking around from PS Home still :) i hope D: LOL

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Victor321
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:17:10 PM
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When I read "PSXE.Plus" I assumed you have guys had some sort of premium subscription going on with your services O.o

I then later realized it was a typo =P you guys are the best!!!

P.S. I actually wouldn't mind subscribing to you guys; the content's more than worth the money.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:21:03 PM

Lol, don't bring a PSX+ Service up now. lol. We're already talking about just buying shirts. haha

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Victor321
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:57:13 PM

Lol alright you have my word =D

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jaybiv
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:17:51 PM
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Sorry I missed it BD. I will try to catch you next week. I will pop in and check this week out.

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Temjin001
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:23:52 PM
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I sort of wanted to be there just to support the team.

But then I thought how I don't have a chat pad or blue tooth headset thing or like 10GB of spare HDD space for Home. Plus I think the last time I used Home I thought, "man, never going here again"

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Scarecrow
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:35:31 PM

Don't be so lazy Temjin. I mean come on that's a cheap excuse, just get your ass there next time.

We had everything from Pyramid head, to the white knight, to plain old real people. Plus the psxe show is exclusive to the PSHOME so it makes the gathering even more exciting. Sure it'll appear on their youtube page but catching the show at home is pretty nice. Kinda like an youtube gathering*

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:08:27 AM

You can just hook up any USB keyboard. If I can do it, it can't be that hard. :)

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:52:28 AM

Yep, just make sure you have some modern keyboards...It took me awhile to find my extra, I found another one in my closet but it was one of the older keyboards that wasn't a usb input, lol.

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Fane1024
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:12:34 AM

I was going to say "It was hard for Wolfeh." ;D

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Excelsior1
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 5:13:23 AM

@temjin

that's kind how i feel. swore i'd never step foot in home again. i was there around march of this yr and i thought it was a pile of you know what. gotta be one of clunkiest and most inefficient programs out there. it just sucks and it's reputation for sucking is well deserved. download after download ruins the whole experience of home.

it's not psxe fualt that home sucks so bad, and its interface is so damn clunky.

Last edited by Excelsior1 on 6/17/2011 5:14:17 AM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:17:11 AM

Once you've downloaded stuff, you don't download it again and you just run around doing what you want. No offense, but you'd know that if you were there more than once a millenium.

If it's all downloaded, it takes maybe 30 seconds to get into the Community Theater and watch the video, which plays instantaneously.

Last edited by Ben Dutka PSXE on 6/17/2011 10:52:23 AM

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:15:12 AM

Temjin and Excelsior,

Many of your complaints have been addressed with the recent updates. Excelsior, if you're pre-disposed to disliking home, there's nothing anyone can do to help that, but you're wrong in material aspects of your view of Home.

How is Home supposed to let you transfer to an area you have not yet downloaded? So of course it has to download. if you haven't been in Home in a long time, the area has undoubtedly been updated (most are regularly updated with fresh content). But once you have downloaded an area it persists on your hard disc allowing you to move from area to area far, far more quickly. In fact the transition time between areas has been improved greatly over the years.

As for a reputation for sucking, I find that's very much overstated. Rather klike the negativity that you have previously noted about the PS3 and Sony, it's one of those things that was perhaps, at one point partially true, but no longer. So why retain the irrational dislike when in fact your complaints about Home no longer have merit?

Excelsior, perhaps it 'sucks' - for you - because you already believe that it 'sucks' and therefore unless it begins 'blowing', it will always 'suck' for you?

:D

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:19:30 PM

Lol, w/e Fane xD

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Excelsior1
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:40:22 PM

@ben

out of respect for this site i did redownload home. after many network errors i was finally able to watch your show which was a good show. i could barely hear your brother, though. sounds like he like ff13, too.

i guess that was old footage regarding dnf. i'd love to hear what you have to say now that you've reviewed it. seems like you were pulling for it so it's interesting you scored it so low. maybe you could talk about that for awhile on next show. good job.

i will try to overcome my dislike of home and be there next time.

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Scarecrow
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:26:20 PM
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Solid intro psxe! Loved the rpg/Final Fantasy discussion. And hell yeah to psVita! Some worry about the games but those games will come along. Pretty nice lineup so far with Uncharted, Modnation, and even LBP. Hope to see brand new games for it next year though. But so far the price is good and the technology behind it is innovative.

I liked the theater, great to see the psxe family there. Wish we could choose a theater location though. Would be nice to sit at the beach or something. Nonetheless, prepare to get tons of questions from me.

If I'm getting the "open ended gaming" idea right imagine if in a game like GOW you get to the ending but the game doesn't truly end. The game itself will evolve after you beat the game and you can track through those environments with new puzzles, new challenges, missions, etc. It would definitely add more rpg elements which is always nice imo.

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mk ultra
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:26:43 PM
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Yeah that was fun. PSN ID was EuRoRaT. Dont comment much but have been reading this site for about six years. By far the most I've ever done in Home. Thanks again.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:32:28 PM

Lol, nice ;)

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Scarecrow
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:39:09 PM

Hey man thanks again for the tip about the instanced rooms.

And welcome to the comment side of psxe, it can be chaotic but we get our points across :D

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mk ultra
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:30:25 PM

No problem, thanks man

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Qubex
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:28:14 PM
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Sadly I couldn't be there due to the time difference... it is a shame really. What can be done? I am hoping next time for me :(

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:32:37 PM

We missed you there!

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:09:39 AM

I'm thinking for our friends overseas and in other countries, I'll set up a smaller meet and greet. It could be hard, though...with everyone scattered all over the place. :)

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tridon
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:35:48 PM
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I popped in... took me a while, though. I was hit with numerous network errors and glitches before the ball got rolling.

As for the PSXE video itself, I thought it was a very good first try. I think the audio needs quite a bit of work and I'd recommend a little less handheld camera work to give it a more professional look, but overall it was quite entertaining. Congrats, Ben! :)

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:38:34 PM

Yep, remember you there haha. Didn't really know you tho :D but next time obviously will.

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CharlesD
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:18:19 PM

Yeah, mic quality may be a bit off till we get the shotgun in.

Thanks to everyone who dropped in and enjoyed the show or even hung around for a bit of a chat with myself and Ben. It was a great time and as we continue to gather we can watch the episodes evolve, discuss new topics, and of course enjoy a few new tips and tricks from Ben as he joins us for the debut of each new show. :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:10:21 AM

There are no such audio issues in show #2; I know that. :)

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DazeOfWar
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:55:51 PM
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Wish I could of been there. Got called into work for a water leak. Hopefully next time.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:57:43 PM

Dang, that sucks. I was lucky and somehow got let out of work just in time today, I'm sure I won't be so lucky next time. haha. well, hope to see you next time!

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Zemus101
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:58:32 PM
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How do you guys set up in the same theater? Was that an issue? Are all you guys on each others PSN list? Hmmm watching the vid now, finally got into Home. It seems quickly jumping into your personal space, and THEN going to the in-game navigator and choosing the theater (or wherever) worked fine that way for me. Of course, I'm way late to the party heh maybe next week! (or the week after?)

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:04:05 PM

Most are on PSN lists, so we were able to just Go To the same instance as everyone else. But yeah the network problem was annoying and I did the same, just when to my home and then i Go To'd someone who was in the theater :)

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WNDRTWN1
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 10:59:38 PM
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I was hindered by the network errors so I couldn't stay in or even get back in. I was in there before Ben got in and there was some troll constantly saying BORING. Freaking douche. Then I got booted off. Like I said before I don't comment here that much but I do go into HOME at least once a week so I will be in there in the future.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:04:49 PM

Yeah, I muted anyone who just spammed anything. It's not hard to do, just open the chat with L3 and then click their name and go down to mute :D never hear from em again. haha.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:06:40 PM
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Zemus,

I didn't even use that navigator.

The way I got in(finally, after all those frigging error messages), was right after I closed the daily message, I just scrolled straight down on-screen to the theater(it was the very last item for me, but might be different for others, just not too sure).

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SvenMD
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:24:09 AM

That's what I did too.

To be honest, I don't use home often, so i didn't know there was any other way...

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Fane1024
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:35:48 AM

That is the navigator. You default to it when you start Home and can open it at any time with Start.

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BikerSaint
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:08:43 PM
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I spent about an hour & a 1/2 last night installing Home, the theater, & bunch of other places, then visited the theater ahead of time just to check it out, and also walked around in Home last night, all without one iota of a problem.

But Home suddenly went buggy as soon as I D/L'ed that new update this morning & has been that way ever since, so I'd say that update itself, has to be the problem.

For tonight's PSXE show, I must've tried logging in Home at least a good 35 times before I could even get in, and once I did, it kept kicking me out another 10 times or so as soon as I sat down in the theater.
Finally, on my last time it finally let me stay, but I was afraid to even move or touch my controller in fear of getting kicked off again.

FYI, I did see a few of you guys there, Fane, Chinook, Scarecrow, EuRoRaT, Doumaxwell(?), Jawknee's log-out, & a few other guys/gals, but I didn't respond for 2 reasons, 1. afraid of getting kicked off again, & 2. the main reason, fact that I'm new to Home(only been there for mere minutes a couple times), & dummy me doesn't have the damnedest clue on how to find that on-line text chat typewriter thingie.
So Silent Bob mode, it was for me.

Anyways, it was still nice to see all you guys there..

And to Ben,
good first start man...you seemed a bit nervous but those 1st-time jitters(?) will soon fall by the wayside as it becomes second nature to you.

Anyway, Kudo's & Bravo to you, the rest of the staff, & to the whole PSXE community for getting us where we are today!

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LegendaryWolfeh
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:19:41 PM

Haha, if you have a USB keyboard, you can just type. If you're using the controller, Triangle will bring up the onscreen keyboard, or r1 and l1 will bring up different pre-made options for you to pick through. No wonder when everyone kept yelling at you you never said anything back! lol

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Highlander
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:50:09 PM

Still unable to connect - stupid update...

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:06:21 AM

LegendaryWolfeh,

Thanks for that 411, I thought I was going to have to go buy some of those "Hi, I'm a deaf mute" cards to hand out next time.

Anyway I'll have to remember your info & try it out sometime beforehand, as I rarely go into home.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:11:54 AM

I had the networking problems, too, and so did others.

But no worries, Biker. There's always next time...and the time after that. :)

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Fane1024
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:21:59 AM

There was a female in a red dress that didn't say anything. We all wondered if that was you, High.

@ Biker

Good to know you weren't just snubbing us. ;P

The L1/R1 options make basic communication easy for those who aren't as practiced entering text with the on-screen keyboard as years of using the PS3 browser have made me.

It's actually a much better system than, for instance, DCU Online.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:20:31 AM

Sadly it was not, I wasn't able to get into Home at all during the evening. I was able to get in briefly later in the night. I cleared my settings and am trying to re-org my inventory. Most of the errors that happens with Home - especially after an update - are in some fashion related to the inventory database. the majority of people were being kicked during the start up phase where it checks your purchased content. That hits your local inventory database, and makes sure that it synchronizes with the live one online in Home. The error almost seems like some kind of time-out where the system cannot fully synchronize the databases, and the system then bounces you back out of Home.

I deleted my settings and was able to get in twice and record my inventory a bit. I think that may have helped, but we'll see. I'll bet that Sony has to do a further update with a fix of some kind PDQ, because I don't think that individual users fixing their inventory will be a full or permanent fix.

Last edited by Highlander on 6/17/2011 11:20:50 AM

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somethingrandom
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:20:30 PM
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I shall be back in the future if the network and/or work permits.

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Dancemachine55
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:22:49 PM
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Dammit, I missed it? Was it even in the Australian version of Home?

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Fane1024
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:33:39 AM

The Community Theater is only in NA Home (at least the one which includes PSXE; I don't think other regions have implemented the idea). You could create a US account and use it to access Home, but if you use the Aus Home, I think your downloaded Home data (not saves, areas) gets overwritten.

p.s. I'll try to invite you next time, but I doubt it'll work.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:22:59 AM

No, the Home data won't be overwritten. My wife used to play in all three major Home regions and there was never any indication of having o re-download the central plaza in NA after going to Japan or the UK - for instance. Remember if you create a NA account, it has it's own save files and settings. Home just has a big cache on the HDD of your system for Home data, it doesn't really care what region or user it's for, those specifics are stored in your settings and save files - that are specific to each user.

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Fane1024
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:34:36 AM

Maybe it's better now (or I'm remembering my experience poorly), but I remember having some problem when I used the UK Home a (long) while ago. Perhaps the change in the cache (v.1.3?) improved things. Good to hear.

I knew that the save files would be separate.

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somethingrandom
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:27:25 PM
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Also I guess you have to have some ultra high speed internet to actually watch video in home.

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mk ultra
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:34:23 PM

You couldn't watch the video?

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somethingrandom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:38:33 AM

It was really jumpy and had only loaded to the half way point during the entire time I was there.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:32:34 AM

DSL will work for video, but the faster the better for sure. Home caches video, so if you enter a space and it's having trouble with the stream, simply hang around a bit, it will settle down.

I upgraded from DSL to cable this spring, and remember the frustration of waiting for video in crowded spaces. There's really not a lot sony can do about it, it's a fact of the Net, that you can only push so much data down a pipe and if you're streaming data at the same time as an environment is populating and people are moving around and interacting in the same environment (generating more data)...well, there are bound to be issues.

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somethingrandom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:07:29 PM

I just recently upgraded to 3Mb/s WiMAX from previously having 512Kb/s satellite. I was there for about an hour and the 13 min 44 sec video was only loaded half way through. I can't even pause and wait to watch it cleanly.

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somethingrandom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:49:37 PM

Also, it's $90/month and the best internet I can get here. If I lived in a nearby town I could have cable at 25Mb/s for cheaper.

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556pineapple
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:27:58 PM
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Disappointed I couldn't be there tonight, but I'll check it out sometime soon. If you do have the new episode next week, I'll probably be there, barring some unforeseen circumstance, but two weeks, hard to say. My schedule doesn't go that far ahead.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:53:12 AM

Always next time man ;) everyone can't be there all the time!

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Dreno
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:31:53 PM
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I was late and missed you guys in the theater...

Next time ill be on time for sure

Psn dreno138

See y'all soon

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:53:38 AM

The party's never over man! haha, did you at least get to check out the PSX video? :) it just loops and all.

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Dreno
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:19:53 AM

Yeah I definately still watched the show. I just got into the theater shortly before 7. My girl watched the show with me too. That was pretty cool. I'm hoping that seeing all the game info on the shows will make her want to game some more though. That would be nice. She games a little, but its not often.

Anyways, great first show ben. I'm definately gonna have to pick up ff13 and give it a try and see where I stand on it.
Looking forward to the next show.

Oh and how are we gonna know when the next episodes are? Will there be like a topic on the website telling us when the new one goles up? Or do we just check the theater periodically?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:18:33 AM

I'll always post a headline on the site when a new episode goes live.

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Dreno
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:29:21 AM

Sweet deal. Thanks ben.

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Fane1024
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 3:37:49 AM

It will also always be on a Thursday (unless they change the day Home updates, of course).

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mackid1993
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:39:08 PM
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The meet up was great as well as the show. I can't wait for the next episode. Great work guys.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:39:11 PM
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Sorry I missed it, boo on me. I'll try to be there next time.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:42:00 AM

We were all wondering if you were going to show or not, haha.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:40:26 AM

yeah? Woops, I kind of assumed I would not be missed.

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Jawknee
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:46:11 PM
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It took me awhile to get connected. I missed the meet and greet. Good job though guys. Ben you should grow out your beard.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:53:53 AM

Dang didn't see you, apparently you were there long enough to log out? lol

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Jawknee
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:03:57 AM

Other mentioned that you had just left as I got in. We just missed each other.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:12:06 AM

Dang! haha, well, guess there's always next time.

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cLoudou
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:49:36 PM
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Missed it too. After numerous errors I just gave up. Home servers wasn't ready for PSXE.

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Highlander
Thursday, June 16, 2011 @ 11:50:50 PM

I think Biker may be right, the problems appear to be more related to the update than anything else.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:12:52 AM

Yeah, it happened to me after I DL'ed the update. That shouldn't happen again when we do show #2.

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:37:34 AM

Yeah, something is definitely wrong with the update itself.
Home worked perfect right up until D'L'img it ahead of time in the early AM, then "BAM" it threw me right off no sooner than it was D/L'ed, and it's been that way ever since.

Hopefully Sony gets right on it & comes up with a quick patch for that buggy hellified update.

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somethingrandom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:42:58 AM

I got a lot of errors during E3 and have still been getting quite a few so I don't think it was the update because I'm getting the same errors.

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:52:15 AM

somethingrandom,

I don't think so, I'm on a tortoise-slow 756DSL line & have had no problems with anything what-so-ever, except for this one Home update yesterday.

And I've been in Home at least 4 times this week just checking out some of the differences now, than back from the 1st time I was there in mid-09.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:36:07 AM

Biker, I think that the update is a timeout issue related to the item database synch that happens when you start Home. The new update makes this process slower somehow (or there is a bug) and when home is busy (which it was last night) the synch is too slow, and you get bounced out of Home.

I delete my settings file which forces Home to reset your local item database. When I was able to get on Home later, I set about re-orging my items in the hope that the re-written local item database would sync more quickly and not cause a problem. I was able to get back into Home again, but it was late and I haven't been able to test if that has made a material different to the error rate yet.

I suspect that Sony will make some kind of update to the servers or the client PDQ because even if there is a work around for users, it's extremely frustrating to do, and I don't think many will bother.

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SvenMD
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:29:27 AM
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I feel bad for everyone with a connection problem. It was a good time. But I'm sure next time will be even bigger.

Looking forward to some more up to date videos, where you can now talk about how completely miserable DNF was.

Great topics and way to show some clips from the site! It must have been from a while back though because my old avatar made a cameo!!!

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bigrailer19
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:29:31 AM
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I seriously wish I'd have been there... I've been part of this community for a while, and I'd love to support it anyway I possibly could. But I got tied up tonight and was away from the ps3 an unfortunately the premier of PSX in home! But I'll catch tHe next one! Glad it turned out well!

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hald
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:36:34 AM
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Unfortunately, I couldn't make it. But I'll go to the home theater to watch your show today. Very cool that you have got that deal with Sony!

I'm looking forward to future shows and meet-ups! :)

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:46:56 AM
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FYI, Not positive on how Home 's theater works, but I think the PSXE show(along with those other short shows) will keep showing in a continual loop just like it did tonight, and probably for a couple more days at least, so the NA folks should still be able to get their chance to see it too.

Also, although it won't be an actual meet & greet now......who knows, you still might bump into a few others here who haven't got the chance to see it yet either.

Just saying

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:49:52 AM

Yeah that was probably the most frustrating thing for me, I didn't care about any of the other crap that showed up, I just wanted to see Ben talk.

Hey Ben, in ep 3 (since two is pretty much done) you should totally do a parody of throwing a 'guy' into a tree. It'd be great because only the PSX guys will get it and it'd just be funny to have in the random chat-off topic kind of stuff near the end or so.

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Fane1024
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:47:07 AM

The loop was 2 1/2 hours, which is probably normal. There was about a month of content (not counting the outage) stacked from newest to oldest.

I like about half of the shows. Little BIG Podcast, PS Nation, and some of the Gamer Indepth shows are usually good. It is a shame you can't skip to the next show, though.

You can restart at the top if you leave and return.

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RockhounD
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:49:47 AM
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Accursed network errors!
I was there in spirit though.
And I'll be there next time.

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:51:33 AM

Yeah, it was the only blunder of the whole thing, but that wasn't PSX's fault at least :(

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BlinkBoy
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:01:21 AM

I am sure you will Wiseman :)

hope i cant catch the show even though i am European, but i do have a U.S account too.

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Riku994
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:04:47 AM
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I'm sorry I missed it, I was at my girlfriend's birthday party...

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:12:44 AM

GF's bday party ;) that's an OKAY excuse I guess, but come on...psx is top priority, haha

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:58:36 AM

Well that's a very good excuse. Unless the PSXE folk have a problem with women...

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:42:15 AM
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Nooooo, I missed it, couldn't make it on time. And the weird part is that I feel a little like if I let someone down or like I didn't support the team. Won't happen again, you can be sure of that.

Hey Ben do you guys have something to measure the flow of people this site carried over to theater or something like that? Or Sony will be measuring and letting you know, or maybe they know but they are not telling you anything?? It would be nice to have like a table of quantity over the time as more shows get into theater. I mean, obviously there will be random people that join who didn't even knew about the show and only enter by curiosity, which is good also. But lets hope in the future almost everyone in the PS3 scene, or at least in Home knows about it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:20:29 AM

We'll know if things are working out, I'm sure. :)

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:42:58 AM
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Sorry guys but I just have to vent regarding this "Home" thing that I've now experienced again:

/rant ON
Network problems when zones get crowded?... This is just *so* ten years ago. And what's up with those huge downloads every time I enter a new area? Do I have to download the entire zone every time I go there? How much bandwidth do they waste on that? The areas look the exact same each time? It behaves like a website that need to download the pages over and over!

Sorry Sony, but I've never experienced a more crappy "mmo" than this, and I've tried a few. If any other commercial software product had a technical solution like this the entire project would have been scrapped at birth.
Rating: 2/10

As long as this is what Sony has to offer when it comes to "virtual gatherings" then I'd say PSXE would be better off spending time on developing the website further instead. That would have gained everyone, every day, regardless of geographical location or bandwidth!

/rant off
Don't kill me, it's just my sincere opinion.

Last edited by Beamboom on 6/17/2011 2:03:36 AM

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:54:03 AM

Dude, the problem seems to be the new update with the connection errors. I've used Home a lot and almost never had issues. And for the areas, tell me just one recent MMO (BTW Home is not an MMO) that has big areas of 30 or 20 mb???? Do you realize that there are a lot of mobile apps that weigh more??? That being said, stop seeing Home like a game, and just have it as it is. And finally, yeah, I guess a virtual world that shows you real and sometime live (like in e3) embeded videos are 10 years ago tech.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:18:09 AM

Get' yer rifles boys, there's gonna be a lynchin'!

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:46:46 AM

I know of *no* other mmo (let's just for simplicity call it that) that require 20-30mb downloads _every_time_you_change_zone! Never ever have I experienced that, ever. It simply is a solution that has no logical explanation other than to treat the ps3 as a thin client, something that it kind of is with the extremely small disks it sometimes has been shipped with. But for those of us with enough disk space, why not let us use it! This is a software design issue, Godsdream.

And now I compare Home with mmos's where one single map cover an area that more or less equals the *entire* Home. My references include Anarchy Online (launched almost 15 years ago!!), City of Heroes, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft and Matrix Online.

And not to be blunt, but streaming video is piece of cake now. That's all a question of bandwidth. The video codex is already on the machine, and the ps3 is *engineered* to glue stuff on 3D objects. And all the areas/rooms in Home are like small flats. That makes scaling easy.

If you are fine with how Home works, Godsdream, then good for you! But if compared with other similar products, Home simply *suck*. It's almost an undeniable fact.

Last edited by Beamboom on 6/17/2011 2:52:59 AM

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Fane1024
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:58:26 AM

Beamboom,

You should only have to redownload an area if it has changed since you last visited it. This can include changes as simple as something added for a scavenger hunt, however, which was the case in a lot of spaces this week.

If you're experiencing something different, that's not the norm. Trust me...I'm in Home nearly every day. If you're jumping between EU and NA versions, that could be the cause of extra-frequent downloads.

There does seem to be a limited number of areas kept "stored" at one time, though, even if you use the maximum 12 GB cache like I do. 12 gigs should hold all of the 30 MB spaces, but it doesn't seem to do so.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:35:04 AM

Fane1024,

I kinda knew that would be brought up and it should be specified in my post, I just wanted to avoid my reply to become too long and technical.

If you jump back and forth the same few areas it's faster once it's downloaded. It's cached just like a webpage, to continue that comparison.
But as you too state, the *entire* zone seems to have to be downloaded, again and again and again, if the slightest little thing is changed. And *that* is what I address here. I have never experienced anything as download dependent like this, ever!
Usually changes to already installed maps are done with patches, and a patch typically contain only the difference between old and new version of the areas, to be patched into the install. But the Home downloads appears not to be patches to me, but a reinstall of the entire area each time anything, minor or major, is done. how else can you explain these huge downloads?

And from a software developers point of view this just looks like incredibly weak, unscalable and inefficient design, and from a users point of view it makes exploring the world almost unbearable.

Last edited by Beamboom on 6/17/2011 4:39:17 AM

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Excelsior1
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 5:21:34 AM

@beamboom

those issues with long downloads and clunky interface ruin the entire experience of home. it just such a clunky program. i agree with every crtism you level at home. waste of space imo. it's such a mess.

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:57:30 AM

One word for you, and lets stop this: BETA. Done.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:59:03 AM

BeamBoom & Excelsior,

Both of you appear - to me - to be ultrasensitive to the load times in Home. Once a Home space has been downloaded, it persists unless there is a change to the space that requires an update. In fact, there are changes to the spaces that do not require s total re-download. The Central Plaza - for example, only requires a new download if there is an environmental change, like when they re-skin the entire space to theme with some game or other. However, the space is dynamic as well in that the area in the middle of the plaza that is normally the SaucerPop game can be replaced with another game or interactive element without forcing a new download of the whole space.

Both of you appear to be pre-disposed to disliking Home, which is fine, it's not everyone's cup of tea. However you are also both very much overstating the issues with downloading new areas and load times.

I also think it extremely unfair to compare Home to a PC based MMO game. For a start MMO games typically run a much thicker client than Home does. Much more of the environment in those MMOs is procedurally created by the PC than is the case with Home. Part of that is the amount of memory available (yes, I know, dog the PS3 for it's memory again), and part of it is simply the differences in the platform. Home is intended to be more of an open and flexible platform, so there are limits to the kinds of optimizations possible. When a sponsor wants to add something, Home has to facilitate that easily, when a publisher or developer wants to add a new space, or update one, Home has to handle that too. Home is constantly changing, your typical MMO does not change the environment anything like as frequently as Home does. The procedurally generated environments in an MMO can be very dynamic, and appear changeable, but the change is more like a re-decoration, than it is material changes to the space.

However, Home is simply not an MMO, and so comparing it against a current PC based MMO is really an Apples to Oranges comparison anyway.

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:02:33 PM

Exactly Highlander, but some people refuse as seeing this product as a different and unique one from every currently existing. Once you get in, the downloading is over (unless an update occurs), and the loading times, you can put the biggest disk space to cache (which I did) and the times are amazing, they are pretty small.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:47:03 PM

Highlander: "Home is simply not an MMO" -> no it's not, it's something *much* simpler! That's what I try to say. When I compare it with mmo's it *should* easily win as a social virtual world, simply because it's so much smaller and *all* Home has to do is display the avatars in the 3D world, plus some streamed videos. That's it!

Also, I've not been predisposed of not liking it. When I first heard about Home I was delighted! Cause I really, really missed the social aspect of the mmorpg's when I left the PC platform. That's also why I have returned to Home frequently over the years too - to see if it's improved. Cause once I consider it good enough I'd LOVE to use it!

But I guess I have to ask you all to go install a MMO, "Anarchy Online" has freebie accounts, just to compare. Just run around and chat with people and play around. Witness a patch (usually once or twice a month). Then return to Home and tell me what you think of their solution.

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Gripheenix
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:49:03 AM
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Been coming to PSXE for a couple years now, as it's become my favored source for game related news, but never really got into participating. I would have been at the meet, but I had to work. (Working until 1AM tanks pretty hard.) But I did manage to get into the theatre, and see the video, (after a good number of connection errors). It was quite good, and I look forward to the next one. Unfortunately, my connection isn't fantastic, so it kept pausing, briefly, every few seconds, but it wasn't too hindering. Would be nice if there was a pause button, though, so I could let it pre-buffer. (If there is such a feature, I was unable to find it.)

Hopefully, I'll be able to make it to the next one. (I actually have an excuse to use Home now.)

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:00:08 AM
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*cries* I feel all left out...

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LegendaryWolfeh
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:24:02 PM

You should! >o why didn't you show up?

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Lawless SXE
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 7:15:08 PM

No broadband... Bane of my PSXE existence.

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SolidFantasy
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 6:45:07 AM
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I thought it was neat. I had a few sound issues during the video, but other than that it seemed pretty smooth.

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frylock25
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 7:00:22 AM
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i couldnt even get in home. every time i try to log into it i just get kicked out from a server error. i managed to pop in once but kicked right away.

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Gabriel013
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 7:46:25 AM
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I'm glad it was a success but I think that's roughly 1am my time so will need to give it a miss.

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gumbi
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 8:18:07 AM
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Sorry I missed it guys. That time slot is exactly bath/bed time for my kids, which has always been Daddy's job. Maybe next time I'll get Mommy to sub in for me so I can join the party ;)

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Clamedeus
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 8:24:33 AM
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I was going to go, but I was falling asleep in on my couch, and ended up falling asleep there. =/ I missed it. I'll definitely have to go another time, I'm disappointed that I fell asleep.

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Underdog15
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 8:38:32 AM
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I was an hour late to the party, but I had network issues and missed all of you. I tried logging in 10-15 times and then called it quits. Next week, I'll try to make it happen. ID is the same as PSXE id.

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Dustinwp
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 8:39:07 AM
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I thought the show was good! I really do hate how sometimes peoples avatars are not visible until you're standing right next to them. Also,I would have been more social but didn't have a keyboard and totally suck at typing on the on-screen home keyboard.
Hell I didn't even know how to make public comments at first,just private messages.:(
So sorry for all the pm's Ben.

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Mista
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 8:59:27 AM
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I haven't been in Home since the Red Bull Sky Race 1st came out. I will say it was a definite improvement from what what I remembered. It only took me maybe 30 mins to download almost all the major places and even got to play a few rounds of Sodium 1, didn't get to try 2. I saw a few others there, Wolf, Scarecrow, Duo, Jawk, EuRoRaT and Biker being a mute, lol. I was there early also and must have been there when WNDRTWN1 was cause that annoying guy was spamming BORING over and over. I kept getting the same error at 1st also and almost just gave up, after the umpteenth time I got in. Content was cool and I kept wondering why ppl were seeing different things at different time but we ended up figuring out it starts from when u enter. Cant wait for Vita and I meant to ask this last night, is there a physical media for the Vita? I have not seen a price for games or anyone actually put one in or out. I hope it is not all digital downloads like the PSPGO was, Sony should of learned from that failure. I am gonna invest in another chat pad for sure, I sold mine cause it was not getting used at all, thankfully I had an old keyboard laying around. Can't wait for the next episode, see you all there.

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Arvis
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:13:13 AM
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I walked in at 12:10 EST. Sorry I couldn't make it on time. But I did watch a goodly portion of the show. Then my wife looked up at what I was watching, then looked at me, then looked back and said "What IS this?"
I didn't know how to answer. "uhh, it's a show from a website about video games, errr...."
And then some "girl" started talking to me, so I left.

Anyways, it was interesting, and a little surreal. I'll try and be there on time next time, but Thursday's aren't great for me.

-Arvis

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Underdog15
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:05:28 AM

lol, I know where you are coming from. lol

I wouldn't have even answered. I would have just said either, "I dunno. Some thing that seems kinda cool." or "Is there something you'd like the tv for?" Then just let her have the tv. lol

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:01:24 PM

LOL! Well, you can disable local communication so when someone tries to talk to you, they look like they're just standing there because you see and hear nothing from them. That's my default setup in Home. But I will enable text for PSX events...

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Looking Glass
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:30:09 AM
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I managed to show up. And for whatever reason it looks like I didn't have as much trouble getting in as some other people did. I just got kicked off twice early on but it was all smooth sailing from that point on. Anyway, it was definitely interesting. I wonder if there's going to be an influx of new people to this website some time in the near future.

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dante_zero
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 9:57:03 AM
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it's an amazing step in the evolution of PSXE but its just a shame that this isn't in th EU home aswell.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:27:00 AM
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Just a few things-

Firstly, for the few people who are complaining about Home, you may notice that you are the ones who never go there and have to download everything. Once that's done, you really shouldn't have to be waiting around for much. Furthermore, considering the vast size of the area and what's now involved - which again, you're not familiar with, as you've never been there and visited the different spaces - the technology required to make it all run smoothly for 20 million active users and potentially over 50 million (whoever has a PS3 can get in for free) is pretty advanced. As I said above, if you have the Community Theater downloaded, for example, it shouldn't take any time at all to jump in.

Secondly, yes, each show runs on a loop and will continue to do so for 2 weeks. So you should be able to see it whenever you like. Our first show may only run for 1 week as the second episode is done, but we need to get them the third ASAP so we can stay ahead. If we're a little late on the third show, this first episode will run the full 2 weeks.

And as I said, we'll definitely do this again and without the network error thing. For the record, I've been in Home several times in the past few months and I've never had that happen until last night. Anyway, looks like the second party will be even bigger!

We'll tell you right here at PSXE when every new episode arrives, and when the Theater get-together is.

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:16:07 PM

Ben,

People pre-disposed to disliking Home will continue to say it is teh suck, or whatever. It's really one of those love it or loathe it things for some people.

Anyone who was put off by the early implementation of Home, might bring with them a sizeable chip created by years of bemoaning Home's shortcomings as well as very high expectations of improvements over the years. Sometimes those expectations do not meet well with reality. Plus, as you are no doubt aware, when people become emotionally invested in the chip on their shoulder - which tends to happen over time - they become very resistant to anything that challenges that chip or belief that rides on it.

The fact is that Home is several orders of magnitude better in just about every way than it was at launch. More content, more users, more spaces, more features, faster downloads, faster transitions, better and more games, and on and on... Home has changed a lot, and continues to change (just as Sony said it would). The platform is technically sound - as you point out Ben. It has a substantial regular userbase and can dynamically scale to cope with millions more users.

Sometimes I think that people forget that to make an interactive space with up to 64 local users all of whom are wearing different costume elements and have different appearances and are moving and communicating in real time, along with the interactive elements of the space itself, generates tons of data. That data has to be handled by the server running the instance of the space, and the data for avatar appearance, movement and communication, along with environmental changes has to be constantly sent to all users of the space.

That's a lot of data, and you have to have broadband to use it. On any system, that can be slow. You can see the issues for yourself when entering a crowded Home space. Home renders the space, and the avatars. Before it can fully render an avatar it needs the information about the avatar's appearance and costume, so avatars appear as ghostly figures initially. then as the information is retrieved for each avatar, it is rendered. Because your local home instance doesn't always have all the clothing items that are being used by other avatars, that data has to be retrieved as well, prior to being able to render the avatar properly.

It's a very exhaustive process involving tons of data, and that's merely the stuff needed to render avatars in a space.

Ben, is it time to do a review of Home as it stands now? It's improved out of all recognition from the early days. What about reviews of the in-Home games like salt Shooter of the new racer in Sodium 2?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:28:40 PM

Highlander: IF they don't like it, they don't like it. But the thing that bothers me is that people will talk about it like they're familiar with it, and all they did was jump in for the first time in 2 years and go, "oh gee, I have to download it all; damn, this sucks!"

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 1:12:10 PM

Highlander,

I always wondered why some of the avatars were ghosts, as I thought that they could've done so in order to check out Home without others interrupting them, but what the heck do I know, LOL
So thanks for clearing that up, at least fior me, LOL

Oh while I'm at it, I've seen the word "Instance" used in conjunction with Home's theme numerous times in the last 3 Home threads, so exactly what what does "Instanced" mean in the Home sense????

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:37:47 PM

If you refer to me then it's not right to say I've not been there in two years. Also, I've explored more than a few areas. And every single time I've entered Home, I've had to download each area all over again. The entire areas!

What I do want to ask thiugh, is if you have tested any alternatives? Other similar programs? Something that put Home into a perspective?
I guess Home may appear good to someone who is new to the concept of social networked virtual worlds.
But again, I've *never* "played" anything that require me to not only patch the software when logging on, but in addition download huge chunks of data before enter every single new area. This is *not* impressive.

Last edited by Beamboom on 6/17/2011 2:44:24 PM

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:39:23 PM

There's nothing comparable to Home. The comparison to an MMO is - I'm sorry - extremely stupid. That's hardly how this works.

But like I and Highlander said, if you don't like it, you don't like it. Nothing we say is going to matter.

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:50:30 PM

It is shame that people judge with just 2 minutes within Home. And on top of it, they judge it like they know or understand it. I guess that is why some can't review things. But it is more like a style of life more than just understand something (in this case Home). You can tell how they are in real life just by the fact. Bottom thing is that it is not fair to judge Home just by less than 10 recently logging-in's, and even more fair that you joined long time ago also, so you could tell differences. I've enjoyed it since day 1 until today. Of course I ain't joined every day but still, I think I can understand it quite more than people who are complaining, that is what bothers.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:57:26 PM

To say that I judge it from two minutes within Home is really unfair and to underestimate me!
I refer to my post further up here where I originally complained: I've frequently visited Home cause I *want* it to be good! it just... Is not.

And Ben, no mmorpgs cant be directly compared, but it's the closest we got. And mmorpg is a *lot* more complex than Home. So a comparison should be in favour of Home by a good margin, in my opinion!

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Highlander
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:58:54 PM

Biker,

Home is 'instanced', or uses instances, in this way.

Think about the Central Plaza space. Say you can host a maximum of 64 users in that space, but you have 64,000 users trying to access it at one time. Oops. So, what happens is that the Home server spawns multiple copies, or instances, of the central plaza and allocates users to them dynamically. As each newly created copy, or instance, fills up with users a new instance is created.

Home can create and drop these 'instances' of spaces as needed to dynamically grow or shrink the capacity of Home to match the number of active users. The servers themselves are relatively powerful with each one managing very many instances. Because all the rendering itself is handled by the PS3, a server can cope with a relatively large number of instances of Home spaces.

The reason for the limit on the number of users in a space isn't based on the size of the servers. That limit on users in a space is more related to the Home client. The Home client has to render everything happening in the Home space, and 64 avatars plus the rest of Home is a lot of data to maintain and render objects from. With the limited (by today's standards) amount of RAM the system has, Sony decided to cap the number of simultaneous users in a space (I believe the number is 64) to ensure that the user experience is not adversely affected, but also to keep the number of instances manageable. If you drop the number of users per space, you increase the number of instances to manage. If you increase the number of users per space, you put too much pressure on the client making performance suffer for the user. It's a balance.

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Excelsior1
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:07:18 PM

my first experience with home was in march so i guess i'm lucky since many say it improved. i wasn't impressed then, but did go back to view psxe show today after getting kicked out with networking problems 5 times. the way it's set up is just wrong. why can't they have us do one big install and patch it for different areas as they change instead of making us face a barrage of downloads just to explore the world? i don't think the way it's set up is very intuitive at all. there should be an option to download the whole damn thing at once.

out of love for this site i will keep home installed and try to join next time if it lets me.

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:11:28 PM

No I didn't mean you directly BeamBoom, I meant just general. And also as as said above in a post, Home it is not an MMO nor I must say an MMORPG, at least I'm glad you understand it. But I disagree with you saying a MMORPG is more complex than Home.

MMORPG's have every single aspect of it predisposed to be used (expansions included) lets say weapons, skins, maps, towns, etc etc. But in Home there are a lot of updates like new areas, new games, new shows, new ads, new campaigns, new missions (Xi), new merchandise, etc. The list is quite long. So it is natural it has more loading times (just sometimes, as I pointed before, if you choose to have the option for biggest cache, it gets quite faster, and by far more faster than MMORPG's I've seen like Dark Age of Camelot), and the fact that a simple general update to Home gets you loading times faster, as they already did in the past, is quite fascinating and far more complex, than just update it with a patch to close a glitch or a bug like in MMO's or MMORPG's.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:19:54 PM

now we are getting somewhere in this discussion. Good post, Godsdream.

Yes you are right, there are a lot more often added items and frequent updates in Home compared to a typical mmorpg. You are absolutely right. But with that being the case, the technical framework for Home should reflect this - and it does not as far as I can tell. It looks more like they've designed something that is *not* supposed to be so frequently updated.

That being said, *when* new items, quests etc is added in mmorpgs (for example every xmas, eastern, halloween, summer etc - there's always special items, quests and events released at those holidays) you do not have to download the entire game/maps all over again - the very idea is *insane*.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:31:27 PM

Let me also add, that when new stuff is added in the mmorpgs it's handled exactly how Excelsior suggest, it's *one* patch before login and that's it. And then you download only the changes (db addons, icons, skins etc), not the entire game.

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godsdream
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 3:38:07 PM

Well yeah, I guess it was conceived differently. Another point in favor that this is not an MMO or MMORPG. This project started as the "HOME" for PS3 users, lets say, the Home interface, but with time it changed little by little. They noticed not every one would be glad to launch Home before so they could launch a game or talk to people. It has a very different gut inside than a game. That is what makes it so special. And the fun keeps coming because Sony and publishers are pushing it very good. I can see in a bright future this could end very well with Sony, as intended since the beggining. In fact, stats say more and more new people join to Home. Not saying because more consoles are sold, but players who are new to Home. This tells people are starting to understand it, and are liking it. But there are some who for some reason refuse to enjoy a FREE feature Sony offers to their public.

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Beamboom
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:17:27 PM

The irony here is that all this talk about Home has made me want to go and check it out again.
And if my opinion change I will not be not afraid to admit it.

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BikerSaint
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:54:44 PM

HIghlander, Thanks for the info, now I understand a little better.

But that "Instanced" brings up another question.

Say that you are in the 1st instance of the Plaza but I when I log in, it puts me in the 5th Plaza instance.
So even though we're both in the Plaza during some part of the same time, then being in separate instances, also means that there's no chance that we can even wind up bumping into each other, so am I correct in that thinking?
Just curious

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Highlander
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 12:27:10 AM

Friends can 'go to' a friend's location (specific instance) or invite their friend to their location. The instances have some level of 'spare' capacity to accommodate that kind of additional player being invited in. You can set up a big gathering by having one or two people send invitations, or simply by people gathering around one or two friends in a specific instance.

Last edited by Highlander on 6/18/2011 12:27:36 AM

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Beamboom
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 4:15:29 AM

Yeah this is also a very typical issue in instanced areas in MMORPGs, most commonly with shops.

If you try to meet up with a friend in Home and you find out that you are in two different instances (can easily happen if you've been in one zone for a while when the other one shows up) a good advice is to try and solve this by entering another zone (area) approximately at the same time, or back to the same zone by just jumping in and out of it.

My coop buddy and I have frequently experienced this in Home over the years, but this is *not* something I hold against Home, this is how these things work, simple as that.

Last edited by Beamboom on 6/18/2011 4:19:11 AM

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Beamboom
Saturday, June 18, 2011 @ 6:31:04 AM

Now that I think about it, to call a comparison with Home and an mmo "extremely stupid" is, well, extremely stupid, especially coming from one who has very sparse, if any experience with mmorpgs at all.
Fact is that the more I think about it, the more apparent the comparison is.

mmorpg VS Home:
Multiple users - BOTH
User interaction - BOTH
Shops - BOTH
Instances - BOTH
Multiple maps - BOTH
Vicinity/channels/private chat - BOTH
Customizable avatars - BOTH
Emotes/animations - BOTH
Quests - BOTH (although... The "quests" in Home is not really comparable to real quests, but still)

Differences:
Heavy use of video clips - HOME
NPC interaction - MMO
Storylines - MMO
Item crafting - MMO
Level system - MMO
Skill system - MMO
Weapons/armor items/stats - MMO
Additional game mechanics - MMO

The differences are all *additions* to this concept, not really differences.

So explain to me how Home is not just a good chunk of a traditional mmorpg...
But I guess I'̈́m just "extremely stupid".

Last edited by Beamboom on 6/18/2011 6:41:50 AM

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CanadianGuy420
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:46:44 AM
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good times good times! look forward to the next one

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Simcoe
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 10:56:42 AM
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Way to go PSX and PS Home! This show will give me a good reason to visit PS Home more often!

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dante_zero
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 11:09:38 AM
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any chance of opening the discussion about bringing it to EU home aswell. ???

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duomaxwell007
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 12:41:42 PM
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Well the EU users could always just make US psn accounts and to access the US Home for these events.. I have plenty of EU friends that do it.. just as i have plenty of US friend that have EU and JP accounts

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Jed
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:00:01 PM
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Hey everybody, I had a great time hanging out last night. I'm Buzzkiller, I had the Barakka hair on. I'll do my best to make it to the next one too. Great show!

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CHAOS THEORY X
Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 4:40:52 PM
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i missed it :(

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AbsoluteZer0
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 11:58:53 AM
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I actually don't currently have access to my PS3, haven't since last August since my family is currently living in South America and my dad forced me to leave the PS3 behind :(. I don't know if anyone missed the local outspoken Ninty fanboy, but when I do get back to the states in July I'll try to be there for an episode or two.

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GustaveXIII
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 5:51:51 PM
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i missed it =(

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