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Sony Going More Casual With The PlayStation 4?

What is Sony's intention with the next PlayStation? We keep getting the feeling that the electronics giant will be shifting gears to the casual and mainstream markets.

Recently, we heard the PS4 might not be a massive technical powerhouse and in fact, it may not boast that much more raw power than the PS3. Then we get an interview with SCEE vice president James Armstrong (via GamingBolt), where he says the following:

"It’s hard to say right now.I do not think we’ll have a console with a lot better graphics than the PS3 currently offered.I believe the future will be to offer consumers better and more accessible experience .The aim will be to make more people enter the world of video games and try to design titles for women."

It's frightening for the hardcore gamers to realize that such a statement reminds us of the Wii... Nintendo's latest machine was such a tremendous success out of the gate that both Sony and Microsoft eventually dove into motion sensing. Furthermore, while the casual/mainstream crowd is typically familiar with the Xbox 360, the PS3 is frequently the hardcore gamer's console. And no, this isn't to say there are no hardcore gamers who only own a 360; that'd be absurd. What seems apparent is that if you're only a casual fan who plays every once in a while, chances are, you have a 360 and not a PS3.

So what's Sony doing here? What are they planning? The Wii was huge for a little while but definitely lacked staying power, primarily because a video game console needs games to survive in the long run. Gimmicks always wear thin with the consumer; it just gets boring really, really fast. Should we believe Sony is just going to release a new console that isn't much more powerful but more "social?" Designed to cater to those who aren't even gamers? I.e., the Wii? It really is a scary thought; Sony has always been synonymous with games, and to shift that focus in any way seems tragic.

But hey, we shouldn't jump to any conclusions. Nothing concrete is known about the next PlayStation yet. Let's remember that.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, sony, ps3

6/19/2011 8:33:52 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (136 posts)

sha4dowknight05
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:34:32 PM
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For ever console sony has ever made they have different media playing types:

ps1 - cd
ps2 - dvd and cd
psx- dvd, data and cd
psp - data and umd
ps3- all above plus blu-ray
psp go - data
ps vita - data and cards

wonder what the next one is going to be like?

I don't want sony to release another console until 2013 at least until then, minimum but longer if they could.

But with the Wii U out Sony and Microsoft are probably rushing to think if they are going to release a new one.

There is just so much to experience on the ps3 I don't think we'll ever be done with it.

Sony has way too many name franschises to aim for casual gamers.

The exclusives are earth-shattering awesome!



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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:08:05 PM

It will be blu ray with multiple layers

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mackid1993
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:51:08 PM

I've heard that they are working on multi-layer BD discs that have some insanely high capacities. I also wouldn't be surprised if the PS4 had a faster drive.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:15:19 PM

I've been hearing rumours that Sony plan on keeping Blu-ray, but just making the next console compatible with multiple layered discs.

Holographic discs are massive, but still way too expensive to implement on a consumer basis, so Sony are sticking with Blu-ray, which is a great thing since many are still confused about the difference between DVD and Blu-ray.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:35:48 AM

lol, I wonder if Microsoft will still use DVD's for there next xbox.

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sha4dowknight05
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:14:31 PM

correction ps3 does not support umd

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The Doom
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:36:10 PM
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I really hope something was taken out of context. I hope Sony isn't seriously considering ditching it's market to reach the non-gamers. It's bad enough the 360 is doing it now with the Kinect.

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FM23
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:38:01 PM

Couldn't agree more. I hate Kinect.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:20:14 PM

I think Sony are smarter than that.

Sony will keep the hardcore experience and advertise that at E3, TGS, gaming websites and other hardcore media sources. Casual experiences will be advertised on TV and in the papers or on Facebook.

Including casual will expand the market, meaning more cash for Sony, meaning more funding for hardcore developers taking chances with new IP's and RPG's or FPS'.

If Sony can successfuly balance both casual and hardcore on PS4, it will turn out win / win for all involved!!! Hardcore get more games and developers of hardcore games get bigger budgets thanks to Sony having plenty of cashiola from party or casual games exceeding in the market.

Let's not forget, there's a lot of competition ahead with MS, Nintendo and Apple, so Sony really have to wow the casual crowd to get them in.

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SayWord
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:04:54 AM

I agree with you dancemachine. Sony was all about the hardcore with ps3. They realize that the hardcore games is their market. Why would it be any different for the ps4?

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FM23
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:36:55 PM
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Wow...that isn't good news at all. Hope they keep making good games. If they want more people to experience games, they need to start advertising their exclusives more. Infamous 2 should of had a better opening week than what it had. Either way, no PS4 anytime soon please.

As far as incorporating women into gaming...that seems kind of odd and big indicator that Sony's going for the casual market. No women I know care about gaming beside Wii Sports...oh the future looks ugly. Hope Sony isn't going this direction. Hope they aren't listening to bullsh*t surveys.

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Karosso
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:50:34 PM
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KEN KUTARAGI PLEASE COME BACK!!!
If they really go that rout, might as well not change the basic design and just overclock the PS3, add tons of memory,newest HDMI standards, maybe add more SPEs. That way all games can run in 3D in 1080p.
But seriously thou, I don't see any chance of that happening. MS will come out with something much more powerful than the X360 and Sony would look really bad falling behind from being the leader in technology... Just don't see it happening.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:54:03 PM
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what a scary headline. don't tell me sony's going to pull a nintendo on us and not compete hardware wise.

when sony releases the ps4 it would have to offer a significant upgrade froim what the ps3 offers in terms of graphics. 1080p 60 fps and a hefty amount of ram would be a big leap over the ps3 alone. surely, this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about, i hope.

if sony does focus more on the casual side and doesn't pursue powerful hardware that's a big mistake imo. you need the hardcore gamers. especially early in a consoles life.

i want sony's system to be a beast of a machine with enough horepower to outperform anything ms comes up with.

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Clamedeus
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:48:11 PM

I agree.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:24:38 PM

Agree, but I'm sure Sony know better than to pull a Ninty and ditch the hardcore gamer who've supported them all these years.

Sony will no doubt make a powerful console, but let's not forget the PS2. It was the least powerful of the GCN and Xbox, but it was the most popular, why?

Cheap price, heaps of games, earlier launch over the competition, low-fail-rate and a DVD player that didn't "require" a DVD remote to work.

I honestly wouldn't blame Sony if they went down that same road again. Just look at the Wii!! Mario Galaxy 2 was incredible, impressive and sold quite a lot, even though the hardware was incredibly inferior to PS3 or 360.

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sawao_yamanaka
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:26:24 AM

But also dont forget the ps2 came out way before the GCN and the Xbox. That's the main reason it had less power than both of those other systems. The price wasnt so bad either. 300 when it 1st released.

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 5:53:41 AM

a) PS2 was only 1 year earlier.
b) PS2 was as capable if you used its quirks: compare GOW2 to any Xbox game.
c) the differences between last-gen systems in terms of raw power were not generational differences, like PS3 v. Wii (or the hypothetical PS4 v. a truly next-gen Xbox).

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cLoudou
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:54:44 PM
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'Design titles for women'? Tell me he's joking. Lemme guess, it will be called the PS She.

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:32:50 PM

Say whaaaat...? =<.<=

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:26:50 PM

LMAO!!!

Just use the extra storage of multi-layered blu-rays to make female lead characters optional, like Bioware do with their games. Same script, same story, just minute changes in character relationships and dialogue referring to "she" instead of "he".

It's an extra 2-3 months of development, but the extra sales would definitely pay-off.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:58:31 PM
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God I hope not. I prefer teh usual PlayStation combo. 75% hardcore, 25% casual. At least thats how I see it.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 9:59:40 PM
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I find it hard to believe Sony would just up and ditch core gamers like Nintendo did after building up such a huge library of hardcore games this generation. Also they are taking core gaming even further with the Vita, why wouldn't they with the PS4? Seems counter productive in my opinion.

I wouldn't read too much into what this guy is saying at the moment. SCEE isn't Sony Japan who seems to call of most the shots.

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The Doom
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:11:02 PM

Right. The PSVita is obviously geared towards the hardcore. Why would Sony suddenly make the PS4 for the non-gamers?

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Clamedeus
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:49:23 PM

Agreed with both, I don't see this happening.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:28:18 PM

Neither do I. PSvita is still aimed at the hardcore.

Vita and PS4 would go hand in hand, so why make the PS4 for casuals in that case?

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SayWord
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:06:58 AM

Haha was thinking the exact same thing.

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Dreno
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:00:37 PM
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I really hope sony does not make the ps4 with casual gamers as its root. Kee doing what your doing sony, make the ps4 bigger, faster and stronger.

If you want to apeal more to casual gamers, just sign with game devs that make game for the casual gamers. Use the games to bring them in, not the console.

Besides if they fall in love with the games with them in mind, than they will fall in love with the console, possibly change game preferance and try some harder games. Thus becomming part of the hardcore gamer type. Well it won't be THAT easy, but it shouldn't be too much more than that either.

If sony turns casual gamers into more hardcore gamers, that's an even bigger, faithful fan base for the future.

Please sony, PLEASE DO NOT GO the way of nintendo. Stay true to your roots of awesomeness.

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Fabi
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 9:16:53 AM

Cool Avatar.

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SolidFantasy
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:01:03 PM
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This doesn't sound like Sony at all. I hope they don't leave the us hard core gamers behind. They wouldn't do that? Would they? With Sony out of the hard core market what are the hard core developers to do?

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:07:33 PM

I'm hoping this guy is just an outlier in the company and is speaking without knowing what the hell he is talking about. I didn't see any evidence of Sony veering towards casual gamers at this years E3. With all the time, effort and money Sony has put into this generation trying to wow core gamers, it just doesn't make any sense that they would ditch us for Nintendo's market. I love the Wii but as Ben said, it lacks lasting power and Sony would be making a huge mistake if they went this route.

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Highlander
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 10:41:39 AM

The guy is one of several VPs in SCEE and has specific responsibility as the CEO of SCEE in Spain and Portugal. I'm not going to call him an outlier, but he's not the European head honcho, marketing head honcho, nor does he represent SCEA, SCEI, SCEJ or SCE corporate. Nor is he involved in the hardware development at Sony corporate. So, while he has an important job, his focus is on selling products to as many people as possible in Europe, and in particular Spain and Portugal.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:02:04 PM
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If this is true then the PS4 = no buy

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:29:24 PM

And ditch a PS4 Uncharted or Killzone?!?! Are you nuts?!?!?

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Danny007
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:07:36 PM
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The way I see it, the point of making a new console is so you can provide bigger and better looking games. If Sony isn't planning on toping the PS3's power in the best way possible I don't see the need to make a new console.

Anyways, I'm sick of all these PS4 rumors. I'm EXTREMELY happy with my PS3.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:32:33 PM

Agreed.

PS3 is only just hitting its stride now while the other consoles were tapped out years ago.

PS4 just needs to be like the PS3, just a bit faster and with an updated graphics card.

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:00:16 AM

Dance,

You're saying exactly what Armstrong did.

I want more than a small step. Supercharge that mofo, just like the Vita.

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TheCanadianGuy
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:08:18 PM
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indeed lets remember that. but i will say if thats the route sony decides to take then it'll likely be the day i jump off the good ship playstation. & it hurts me to say that i've been a proud member of the playstation community sense MGS1 back in 98. i love playstation. but i'm a hardcore gamer though & though. i likes my epic hardcore 30 hour GTA & assassin creed games.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:36:48 PM

It ain't gonna change Canadian Guy.

Assassin's Creed and MGS, Uncharted and Killzone will all be there for the PS4, it'll just have to share a little more shelf space with the cheaper casual games and Move party games.

Kids and adults alike loved the PS2. I say it's time we bring that love back with the PS4.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:11:35 PM
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No need to overblow this statement. I think he's just saying that the graphical leap won't be as huge (which is fair because how much better can it get without costing too much?) and that the platform will expand to include the casual market from the outset instead of trying to integrate it later on. Think of a broader scope that includes hardcore and casual but not a refocus.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:19:11 PM

Exactly.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:40:48 PM

World, you took the words right out of my mouth. Perfect.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:27:10 AM

We can say that.

But when's the last time you heard Sony say they want to target anybody BUT gamers? When's the last time you heard them target women? That's what's bugging me.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:36:07 AM

Ben, the last time was when they announced the Move.

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Claire C
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:36:39 AM

I'm not even sure what 'Targeting' women even means.. hee hee

DON'T SHOOT!!!!!!!

XD

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:49:54 AM

That's an accessory. And they actually made a very similar announcement with the Eye years before.

When it comes to hardware, we haven't heard any evidence in thousands of interviews for three generations that the next PlayStation would try to "expand" beyond the core gamer demographic.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 3:07:04 AM

Perhaps Sony can no longer afford to ignore this demographic. It costs a lot of money to make top tier hardcore games. Even a fraction of the sales Nintendo got with their buckets of crappy and cheaply made games would probably help Sony fund their 1st party studios.

I think they smell blood in the water with the Wii U too. I'm no analyst, but I don't see it taking off like the Wii did.

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Highlander
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 10:04:29 AM

Bingo.

This is less about the hardware than it is about the software and marketing. If it was anything else other than increasing the emphasis on more mainstream gamers, it would fly in the face of just about the entire E3 presentation by Jack Tretton and Kaz Hirai.

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 8:20:19 PM

@ Claire

You got an LOL from me again the second time I read your comment. Kudos.



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BikerSaint
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:13:43 PM
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I'm with Dreno,
make some of the game casual, not the console.

No more than 25% of the games, and PLEASE, PLEASE, never bundle a mic with the console, cause I don't want my beloved console infected with juvenile-acting smack-talkers, racists & other assorted A-hole, just like that other machine's infection.

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:39:42 PM

you can always mute people. i would love for sony to pack a mic, and add cross game chat. match the competition feature for feature. plus, i just find that online sessions with mics are more lively. no mic is almost like playing with bots. there's no way to communicate with your team mates in most games. the side that had mics is at great advantage. you should see how fast a side with mics vs a side without dominates on kz3. most people on psn are pretty nice, and i learned a lot from my fellow gamers. i'm glad i've never ran into any rascist people. the worst i encountered was some guy picking on a girl that beat him by getting more kills. to my surprise he got voted out of the match.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:46:26 PM

I can definitely see where you're coming from BikerSaint, but with gaming becoming more social than ever, a pack in mic just makes more sense than not to.

I hate the morons on Live as much as the next adult, but exelsior has a point. The mute button is there for a reason. Or you can report them to Sony and have them banned from PSN. :)

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DVE2k
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:13:56 PM
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I dont want a PS4 rite now until the year 2014-16 at least. There is alot of power under the hood in PS3 left. Wiiu is starting the Eighth generation, so there should be no need for Sony to make another console just yet. I think if PS4 were to come out will they invest in the HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) disk next? PS4 is gonna be expensive to what ever they come up with next. Will they use the same cpu as Wiiu or have a 16 core cpu? xD let me stop with the assumptions but you catch my drift lol.

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BIGRED15
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:17:29 PM
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lol really? I can assure you all this is simply taken out of context. Sony wouldn't do a total 180 becuase they know what would be at stake. And with the recent PSN fiasco, making a casual console would probably sacrifice all major gaming markets. It would be insult to injury to us actual gamers. Sony's doing fine where they are. Granted they have taken a step back... but are they really that um... desperate to gather a whole host of casual software? Sony will do what it has allways done, be a powerhouse with the best exclusives gaming has to offer. I think their biggest hurdle will be whether or not they can make a console that isn't too expesive to mass produce. If they can advance thier tech while making it affordable, the next gen of consoles will be a sony win

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VampDeLeon
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:20:49 PM
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I could see them doing this to save the costs of building an overpowered console since the price was one of the huge reasons people were turned off from the PS3.

I don't think they're going to out right ditch the hardcore gamers in favor of casual games with the PS4 since they do expect us to continue supporting them. Just as long as they keep backwards compatibility, the price isn't too high and it does indeed do everything and it should be fine. Oh yeah, and the games too.

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:12:06 AM

Highlander (with a little help) has discussed the causes of the PS3's high price fully.

Current circumstances allow the PS4 to be much more powerful than PS3 without the same huge initial price tag. In brief, the PS4's parts can be evolutions of PS3 parts (Cell, Blu-ray, etc.) while still providing the necessary performance upgrades.

It might not be PS2 to PS3, but it certainly doesn't need to be GC to Wii.

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BTNwarrior
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:22:58 PM
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hopefully the wii u will fail utterly and show sony that casual was only a fad, just like disco once the biggest thing in the world, now just a distant memory

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GuyverLT
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:06:21 PM

I don't care how many people dislike the Wii (which includes myself) but if it's one thing you don't do is make foolish statements like "hopefully the wii u will fail" especially when it's Nintendo, it's a nice dream to have and while I don't see myself playing the Wii-U(Gayest name EVER) It will more than likely be a huge success because that stuff appeals to Casual gamers.

Hell even Microsoft has seen a drastic increase in 360 sells... Know why??? Cause they've been marketing the hell out of Kinect, pushing the 360 as a casual gaming machine and sadly it's working in they're favor.

They don't seem to care that they don't have any strong exclusive titles for their main Hardcore audience anymore, all it took was for them to see that how much money Nintendo made in the casual gaming market and then boom! They wanted some of that pie.

Catering to the casual market has proven to be a success when you do it right, and I don't see the Wii-U failing I see it being just as or almost success as the Wii maybe more. IF it doesn't then it will surprise the hell out of me.

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Jawknee
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:18:50 PM

@BTNwarrior

That really doesn't make much sense considering the Wii U is targeting casual and core gamers.

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The Doom
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:25:09 PM
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I'm tired of developer's feeling the need to 'expand' their audience. Sony doesn't need to reach out to a bunch of women who call themselves gamers just because they play WiiSport's for 30 minutes a week. The ONLY women they need to appeal to are the ones who can get 10 straight kill-streaks on Assassin's Creed Brotherhood's Wanted without dying once.

If there's been less focus on expanding and more onto making better titles, we wouldn't be seeing so many crappy titles this gen, games that wouldn't need multiplayer wouldn't get them tacked on, or 4 hour campaign modes to only focus on multiplayer.

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:29:08 PM
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I think when he says that the PS4 won't offer all that better graphics he's just trying to illustrate to potential PS3 consumers how powerful the PS3 is right now.

I'm not too worried about anything he said. Once Microsoft releases a new xbox that's much more powerful that the 360 and PS3, I bet Sony will follow suit with something probably even better. It'd be dumb to think Sony's not interested in staying competitive with Micro. o.O

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:00:55 PM

You sure you don't want the PS4 made just for you Claire?

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:09:07 PM

He's obviously just lumping all women into the 'casual' group of gamers, or assumes women typically don't play games at all, which is really what most 'men' gamers think anyways so whatever.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:54:07 PM

Women as casual gamers is assumed, but the number of girls who play everything except war shooters is quite phenomenal!! Mass Effect and Dragon Age are heaps popular with some of my lady friends. Women characters as an option from the start are always more popular with my friends.

Shame those shooters are so popular this generation. I prefer games that are fun and entertaining rather than CoD.

BTW, if the aim at girls means more female lead characters who are realistic like Jade, the new Lara reboot or Alyx from Half Life 2, I am totally for it!!! Most female lead games are more emotionally engaging, I find, and I love it!!

I hope it doesn't mean more casual games aimed at women or fitness and health games, that's just enhancing a wrong sterotype and I REALLY DON'T wanna get into THAT argument. :)

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Claire C
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:29:31 AM

Yah! Most all of my friends play games in some form or another, one of whom is way more 'hardcore' than me with over 3 times as many platinum trophies (I have like 10 or so). LOL

I think Mass Effect's and Dragon Age's appeal is also in the relationships you're able to create with the characters in the game. It's quite amazing. RPGs in general are a big draw. Can't wait for ME3. =^.^=

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:39:41 AM

Forgot my sarcasm tags. I like to play those games as a women anyway :) Makes it more interesting.

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Claire C
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:51:36 AM

I knew it was sarcasm, I just wanted to answer regularly. =)

'Thumbs downers' forgot their thinking *tags* ;)

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cLoudou
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 7:01:23 AM

...never mind. Was just thinking about Claire and her friends...and the word hardcore being thrown around alot lately...... pillow fights ....

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Claire C
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 3:51:56 PM

*slaps cLoudou with a pillow of broken glass*

;)

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:36:14 PM
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I was looking for a big jump to graphics...oh well

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Claire C
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:38:25 PM

Never know. You don't have a crystal ball do ya? ;)

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Excelsior1
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:44:16 PM

i think there will be a big jump. just getting games up to 1080p 60fps will be a big jump. add some hardware based antialiasing and plenty of ram and i think that would be considered a big jump.

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LittleBigMidget
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:47:22 PM
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Yeah for next gen I'm hoping that 60FPS and 1080p is stone standard for nearly all games.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:01:37 PM

If it isn't then there was no purpose in beginning the next generation to begin with.

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:57:38 PM

Time will tell.

PS2's still selling means not everyone has got HD TV's and big wallets. I'm all for slowing the industry down a tad and just building our game collections on the systems we already own.
10- 12 year development cycles, anyone?

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Jawknee
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:07:13 AM

Doesn't the PS2 display HD video via component cable?

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Dancemachine55
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:51:21 AM

It was definitely boosted Jawk, especially when playing San Andreas and GT4 which supported a slightly higher resolution (540p or something like that?)

PS2 didn't sell on that premise though. Back then, it was all about graphics, not resolution.

Oh, how times have changed.

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:22:46 AM

PS2 was (with only one exception I know) not capable of HD (not even weak-sauce 720p HD).

PS2 could display 480p "Enhanced Definition" via component cables. It could also display 576i (PAL) content. I assume 576p was also possible via component cables.

The exception: GT4 could run in 1080i.

A few Xbox games ran in 720p, I believe.

Times have changed because TV resolutions were (essentially) the same for over 50 years and then they weren't.



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Bloodysilence19
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 10:59:58 PM
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to me this just seems to add more of a hype thing i guess. like having the consumers on the edge thinking what sony is going to do in their next console. people forget its Sony they try to push for the future in tech, though sometimes it doesn't work (betamaxx). clearly sony will upgrade things better than ps3, its just the matter of pricing. sony had another ps3 debacle with overpricing their new console it can be huge hit to sony. stupid thing is people say you can get decent pc for 600 dollars but when it comes to console they complain its to high. imo as long as its 500 or under and has some of new hardware out like the video-cards and upgraded ram im fine with it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:02:30 PM

Technically speaking Beta was better, it just wasn't most popular. VHS took off because that is the format that pornography went with.

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Bloodysilence19
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:53:12 PM

yes the tech was great, but im saying overall it was sorta a bad move on sony. yes the porn industry was part of the reason for BM downfall, but the pricing of the BM and to make the beta tapes were more expensive than vhs so it fell hard.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:41:15 AM

Blu Rays are more expensive than DVDs too, but they are taking off. Sometimes you just get lucky with the mood of the market. And right now its "More, better, faster, now"

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:04:12 PM
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If the quote about including women is true, that's just a fantastic thing!!!

Some of my female friends either love music games like Singstar or Rock Band, they love multiplayer games like Littlebig Planet or Motorstorm, and some of them love RPG's with female lead characters as an option.

I say PS4 will have a bigger Blu-ray, so just offer a female version of characters within most games, like Bioware does with their games.

Girls I know love RPG's with cause and effect mulitple-tiered pathways, relationships with other characters, action, action and more action with a woman being the hero as an option, a male lead character as the other option.

As for the PS4, if they do what Nintendo is doing and keep PS3 games, PSN purchases, Move and Dual Shock 3's compatible with PS4, they will be instant win!!!

What do people want most of their PS4?

1. Backwards compatability

2. Faster RAM and blu-ray disc drives

3. The same 8-core architecture (cos it will still be twice as much as the competition's, so why go further if it'll just cost more?)

4. (personal preference) Include in the box a wireless headset and a two-lens PSeye 3 camera that does what Kinect can do, but better!!

If Sony did all that, it would hopefully keep costs low, win over the hardcore gamers AND give MS nothing to fall back on but Halo (which most people will be over in 3 years time hopefully)

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:08:28 PM

Just want to add, the inclusion of a 3D camera that can do what Kinect does packaged with all PS4 consoles will not only push 3D TV's even more, but will allow developers to include 3D camera gameplay in their PS3 games since the camera will have a 100% install base.

Makes sense doesn't it?

I suddenly feel like applying for a PR job at Sony. :P

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:42:17 AM

More cores are necessary because 4 GHz is pretty much the max per core. Xbox 3 will likely have more than 4 dual-thread cores, however they choose to do it.

I'd be shocked if PS4 doesn't have *at least* 2 Cell's worth of cores/SPEs.

I will agree that the CPU is likely to be less "upgraded" than the GPU or RAM.

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Highlander
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 11:51:21 AM

CellBE is designed to run in multi-processor configurations, you can add an extra CellBE without much trouble. In fact if you were to do that and bump to the newer Cell design, you'd double the number of cores and more than double the floating point performance of the SPUs resulting in a larger performance gain.

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NoOneSpecial
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:23:25 PM
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Well, I think they will mix both Hardcore and casual. I.E. making it seem more casual, by also having the extra functionality available to those who want it (like the web browser or blu ray player on the ps3), while keeping the core functions that a hardcore player requires. It's the best of both.

Kind of off topic, but yesterday I was proud to be informed that I had convinced yet another former xbot friend of mine to take the leap over to the PS3. This is the second one in 4 months, and I feel good to give Sony this business :D

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Dancemachine55
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:03:04 AM

Good on you.

I feel my Xbox loving friend might be finally won over with Dust 514 linking to his EVE online account. He's a hardcore PC and Xbox loving gamer, so hopefully Dust 514 will be that final push to get him on the PS3 bandwagon.

As for my other friend, unless Halo comes to PS3, he ain't leaving Xbox.

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79transam
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 8:58:11 AM

I have the best of both worlds a 360 and a PS3 and I love them both. There are some things the 360 offers that I wish the ps3 did and I think the 360 is more user friendly but overall If I could only have one it would be the ps3, due in large part to the bluray

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JackDillinger89
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:26:47 PM
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"And try to design titles for women" Isnt microsoft doing that already with kinect?

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Dancemachine55
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:03:59 AM

What are you insinuating there, Jack? :)

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:44:59 AM

Only if women like games that don't work right.

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kingjose
Sunday, June 19, 2011 @ 11:27:30 PM
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They need to focus more on the single player games I don't mind the mmo games but im more of a single player campaign that's what the ps4 should be so that I don't have to worry about ppl that cheat on games like nfs or svr but who knows nobody can them self they always wanna fallow somebody

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Qubex
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:11:43 AM
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We need to stand back and look at how the gaming environment has changed, and how it will continue to change in the coming decades and beyond. Some of the points deliberated below may be useful in understanding why Sony is doing some "head scratching" when thinking about the future generally...

Overall, and broadly speaking, since the PS3 was released we have had some "major" paradigm shifts taking place within in the industry.

The advent of Apple and it's iOS devices, the iTunes app-store ecosystem, the birth of the Google Android operating system and it's "market" app store ecosystem, Android dual core devices with GPU accelerated graphics (standard in many of these devices), and the advent of motion controlled gaming within the realms of the console umniverse; has no doubt changed the landscape on how entertainment, particularly gaming, is being developed for, played and consumed.

One CANNOT underestimate the power of having mobile devices, that literary, do everything. Sony's own vision has become a reality on competitor devices. Bar the limited amount of storage memory on some of the devices, you can almost do everything on mobile devices that you can on a PS3!

Of course the bigger PS3 exclusive games are not possible yet, and not every service on the PS3 is available on mobile devices generally... but think about that pace of change, and current developments in the pipeline... how long will it be before your mobile device can basically do everything? The Vita, for example, is already there in a sense; if only it had a video out port - which I don't think it has.

The reality here, which is staring game developers and console manufacturers in the face is actually quite simple.

In a consumer led "play as you go" environment - where people have "broadband" internet in their pockets (or something similar); cheap gaming anytime and anywhere starts to have an interesting affect with "the big three". How they will market and publish gaming products for future systems if these very systems are now in question? How to best invest money into future console designs if the hardware needs to make a profit from the get go and attract the larger portion of the market that could make the winner a lot of money quickly, and not take half a decade to do so?

Let us entertain the idea that PC gaming may actually make a resurgence!

Not because people generally prefer it (the broader console market that is), but because the games themselves - and i think we can all agree , as we have done in the past, its all about the games right? - are becoming better and better as technology progresses.

Let's take Battlefield 3. Again we can agree it looks totally awesome, especially on the latest PC hardware; but what would be interesting would be to see the statistics of how many console owners decide to get a new PC rig for this game, or how it may influence non PC gamers to actually pick up a PC with the latest technology in order to play this game and future titles?

So is it possible then that new awesome looking PC games bend the gamin flock back toward mainstream PC gaming as people wait impatiently for the next generation of consoles?

Also, how would the gaming industry have changed by then when considering how mobile devices and casual gaming experiences are changing and developing as I type?

What will companies like Apple, Samsung, LG and HTC have in store in the future - quad core iPad's, iPhones, Tablets and Smart phones; and how will developers take on this hardware and develop for it? Well, we can already get an idea with some recently released titles.

The cost of games generally on mobile devices is 1/4th of full priced games... as Nintendo recently mentioned... these pricing points and casual "game consumption on the go" is debasing the very nature of the industry itself, sapping any value left in full priced gaming titles that deserve a high price for the gameplay experience, story and artistry that goes into making them.

I am sure then, the big three, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, are wondering to themselves; how do we create new platforms that retain our traditional markets and permit us to extend our homegrown IP's across to each new hardware generation?

There must be some head scratching going on... Hardcore gamers will always be around, but will the playing field have changed that much by the time the PS4 is released that people just won't care anymore... not for the hardware, but for the exclusive IP's; probably yes!

Essentially, gamers have their powerful PC setups that already propels them into the next generation, and, with some additional investment, they can "keep up to date" as needed - essentially they are in control of their "generic" platform. In addition they have their casual gaming fix on their mobile devices as needed too.

Sony, like Microsoft and Nintendo, may only offer updated versions of their current IP stock, and also brand new IP's, on next generation hardware as their UPS.

Is this enough to differentiate yourself from others and keep yourself, as a company and hardware platform, relevant going forward?

I guess only time will tell...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Qubex
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:34:24 AM

Just to add to my post above... this is an article from today on Bloomberg about how Nintendo core gamers are rejecting the idea of the WiiU because of similar reasons I mentioned above.

It will be interesting to see if Microsoft and Sony are similar affected in the future.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-19/nintendo-may-fail-to-replicate-wii-success-as-iphone-games-bloom.html

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:32:09 PM

I think that you're right in many ways, but I also think that this 'shift' in gaming is something that's happened over and over in gaming. the present focus on 'hardcore' gaming and action/shooters is actually a change from the previous gaming era dominated by RPGs or platformers or arcade games. And all the while there has been an undercurrent of more family oriented games.

I don't see the statements that are driving this article as anything more than an executive pointing out that as we mature the gaming market, the market develops, deepens and widens to include far more groups than simply the hardcore gamer. I've been preaching this for years now, mostly because I've seen my favorite genre languish because the industry became entranced with the hardcore shooter market as the be all and end all.

With a much bigger market, there are different market segments that have different needs. the hardware in the home has to try to serve as many of these as possible. Forgetting the hardware side of it for a moment, everyone should be able to see that Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft all want as much of that as possible. Historically Nintendo has pitched to the less hardcore end of the market, and Microsoft has pitched to the more hardcore end of the market and Sony has been pitching right down the middle to hit the majority of the market. If anything, this generation, Sony focused slightly more on the hardcore gamer market. If they were to re-balance that and go back to focusing on the wider market, no one really loses anything, it's a win for all gamers.

I'd hope that as the market continues to mature, that the segmentation of the market will be recognized and used as an opportunity to make games that address different market segments. To me, that's actually a recipe for greater variety of games.

On the hardware side, we'd discussed before that the PS3 already does full HD in some games. the PS4 will not go further than full HD in games, but it will make it possible for all games to hit that mark. The next wave of hardware is far, far less about the hardware than it is about the games and services. If the Ps3 merely evolved and adopted a more efficient Cell with the same basic configuration, added a modern GPU and modern amounts of memory, it would be several times as fast as the PS3, and offer 1080p60 gaming, and yet allow developers to continue their heritage of development from the PS3. That lets everyone focus more on the games, and less on the new hardware. But I don't see how that can be a worry for gamers, the hardware in the coming generation is far less of an issue than it was in the leap from SD to HD. Sony's PS3 jumped far enough ahead, that the PS4 need not be a totally new design to offer fullHD experiences.

I'm not in the least worried about all of this and see it (the coming few years and transition to an eventual PS4) as an opportunity to grow the entire market, rather than continually focusing on a specific segment in a larger market.

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BikerSaint
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:14:45 PM

BTW, Radio Shack has already been advertising the last 2 weeks about HTC's new 3-D phone.

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Dancemachine55
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:14:47 AM
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BTW guys, feel free to add me on PSN if you like. PSN name is same as here. Just leave a message saying who it is from here. :)

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Beamboom
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 4:52:51 AM

Done! :)

It's fun to have psxe names on the list, so everyone feel free to add me too! "Beamboom" is the psn nick, no big surprise there.

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SoulController
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 9:22:26 AM

Either of you guys have portal 2? Wow what a blast and the friends list with benefits trophy I need right now for my platinum!

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Beamboom
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 10:16:40 AM

Yeah got it, my coop buddy and I are enjoying every single map in that game. It's amazing; at first some maps seems to be *totally* impossible to solve, then *wham* it all comes clear to you.

Lovely with these kind of games where something else than your reflexes are tested.

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SoulController
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 11:06:14 AM

@Boom.
Yea I was just saying that to my buddy the other day its refreshing to play co-op without being required to blow someone's head off. Ha! I'll add both of you once I'm home. I unsurprisingly go by Soulcontroller for my psn id.

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gray_eagle
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:37:34 AM
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imo its a move to stay competive with MS & Nintendo.
i can'nt see sony selling the PS4 for $300.00 if it's to be more powerfull than the PS3.

if what was said is true, imo, that'll be a thin line sony will be walking on.

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A2K78
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:43:58 AM
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"I was looking for a big jump to graphics"

Anybody who is looking for a big jump in visuals is clearly kidding themselves because there in no realistic way that neither Microsoft or Sony can bring such a thing to the console market cheaply. To further add, given the fact that production budgets are the highest in decades there is no developers can committ to such plaforms economically.

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Underdog15
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:05:59 PM

Double negative means there is a way?

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main_event05
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 12:48:41 AM
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gaming is in its 7th, almost 8th generation, if people haven't caught on by now, i'm not sure they will. it's worth a try but this is shocking coming from sony, they are pretty much the standard in gaming and new tech.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:42:34 AM
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I have feeling will see more than 10 year lifespan for the PS4 but that's just me.

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Beamboom
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 4:53:48 AM

That'd be something!

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realmadpuppy
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:23:54 AM
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IDK, even if Sony played it safe there is no way it couldn't more powerful than the PS3. Just the fact that GPU's have advanced so much in the past 6+ years as well as the drop in ram prices. even if they just upgraded those two things and left the rest the same, there would be a dramatic increase in performance.

I take "news" about the PS4 going "casual" with a grain of salt. this early in the game I really don't see Sony showing their hand to the competition this soon.

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___________
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 2:55:41 AM
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does not remind me of the wii at all, reminds me allot of today.
next gen will be allot like now but more streamlined to everyone instead of having niche titles out there.
i miss the good old days where developers made games for a passion, not purely to line there pockets!
back then they were more willing to take risks on games that would have a real small market.
from now on though those things are dead, we can kiss goodbye our games like deamon souls and such.
:(

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Dancemachine55
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 4:32:12 AM

Don't be so quick to judge, _________

Those niche titles are now found on the PSN and Live. Big budget games have a harder time justifying the risk of doing something different or for the passion of it.

Don't forget, there are still many games out there that take risks and deviate from the norm. You can't push aside games like Heavy Rain, Child of Eden, No More Heroes, Braid, Limbo, Flower, and all little pet projects you find on PSN that are done out of love!!!

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___________
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 9:14:57 AM

there are some now but way less then what we use to see.
if the industry keeps moving in the way it is, ie driving budgets up, and looking for new fans, then what reason would developers have to release a niche title?
release a risky new concept and limit your sales, or release a tried and tested concept that appeals to a much broader audience?
allot of companies are not willing to take the risk, put upwards of 50+M bucks and not knowing if they will ever see it again!
games like LA Noire are sadly a dying breed.

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Beamboom
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 10:20:44 AM

I'd add Android too as a source to find niche games. That platform gets new titles almost hourly nowadays.

However I do agree with some of what MrConstanza says, I too wish there was a bit more of the full sized full priced creative games that stand out from the crowd, like LBP and Portal2.

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Fane1024
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 5:43:46 AM
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Simple explanation: he's talking about the PS Vita.

;D

(If someone beat me to it, I apologize; I haven't read all the comments, something I usually do before posting).

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karneli lll
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 5:48:15 AM
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No surprise there. Its easier to cater the masses rather than the select few individuals,Sony may have switched to survival mode like MS has. I personally have hit my console wall,i do not see myself buying another console.

On the brighter side of life, Redbox just started renting games out in my area this weekend and i must say the local Gamestop was unusually empty...i hope this turns into the blockbuster scenario

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parasitic
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 5:56:45 AM
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Hope it's not true. Surely when ps4 comes out, ps3 price can drop down to appeal to those 'casual' gamers, then start releasing some games to appeal to that market... well I know this wouldn't really work...but I don't want my next console to be all about cooking mama games...

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Deleted User
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 8:24:56 AM
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I'll probably be playing much less video games in the next generation but I certainly don't want the younger serious video gamer to have the PS4 be more casual-friendly. However, it seems every company wants to go this route for some reason. They think it's the best way to turn non-gamers into casual gamers and then hoping they will become like myself.

I still think the serious Sony video gamer will still have the lion's share of titles on the PS4.

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SoulController
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 9:18:14 AM
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We're in an interesting time right now in gaming. So many things are changing so fast but I see Sony creating there own lane, as they always do with every new generation. Sony will never turn their back on the hardcore but I believe they'll continue to attempt to bring in more casuals as well.

Who knows, maybe they'll try something gimicky while still keeping the hardcore satisfied.

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Fabi
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 9:30:53 AM
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I think for the first time since I've been a gamer, I'm not in a rush to see a new console.

I was around for the launch of everything after the NES, but I remember the N64 being the first console to get me super excited about graphics and new controllers. Even though I never bought one. I only owned Sega and Sony.

Since then, I've always loved the build up to a new console release. Watering at the mouth over screenshots and counting down the days.

I dunno what it is now though, but not only do I feel less excited over the thought of a new console, I really don't even want one for the next 2-3 years, at least.

Probably because this is the first generation where the graphics are still wowing me, and where we have options of different types of games. From fun little $5 games, online, to add-ons, to user-created levels and even motion controls. And of course the AAA games that blur the lines between Hollywood and gaming.

Give me a PS3 and a Vita for the next 4-5 years, and I'm good.

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bigrailer19
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 10:33:33 AM
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I don't like the sounds of that too much. If the graphics are only slightly more impressive than the current generation an we get sony's version of the wii, I'll be pretty upset.

With that said I dont think Sony would ever abandon the work they've put in, every console generation; to have the best running, the best looking, and the best exclusives for everyone to play. I don't think they would abandon what they are doing now... ...and how would a creative studio like ND, or GG, feel if they felt shackled and constrained to a system they can't further develop on or push their games to the next level? I just don't see this PS4 being a next gen sony version of the Wii. I see it being the PS4, the system we expect from Sony, but maybe with some features to broaden the experience. Hmm never thought I'd say "broaden the experience", when the PS3 does everything anyone could need! ;)

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Highlander
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 10:37:18 AM
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Folks, I honestly think we all need to read these comments and consider who made them and what their job is and where they are based.

The PS4 is not being developed by SCEE, it's higher up the corporate chain in a company that's fundamentally a hardware company. So, let's not take what the SCEE VP in charge of Portugal and Spain says as defining the global PS4 strategy for hardware and software, OK? The most he says is that the PS4 will not likely have graphics better than the PS3 can offer. not typically offers, "can offer". the PS3 is a 1080p60 capable device. Very few games use that resolution because it pushes the hardware very hard. But the point is, that the PS4 can't offer anything better than 1080p60 anyway because HDTV caps out at 1080p30 for things like movies and TV and 1080p60 for games. So, what's the problem ? His remarks do not in any way say that the hardware will not be better, more powerful or more capable, just that the kind of graphic fidelity offered by the PS4 will be about the same as the PS3 is capable of - in other words 1080p.

As for the increased focus on more casual gamers and female gamers, if you're really being honest you can already see that happening *today*. But, let's go back and look at the PS2. what were some of the better selling games, and what market were they aimed at? If you ignore GTA and GT games, you get games like Final fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Jak and Daxter, and of course Ratchet and Clank in that top echelon of games. These games are all games that in some ways address the gaming needs of more family oriented (casual?) gamers, gamers interested in a less violent game genre (female?). PS Eye sold 4 million on the PS2 and all of it's games were family entertainment. that doesn't even include the various Guitar Hero games, Shrek, Hot Shots Golf, SingStar, Lego Star Wars, Scooby Doo, Dance Dance Revolution, Harry Potter, the Incredibles, etc...

In Europe one of the leading Sony Studios is the London Studio, you want to know the games they are responsible for (there are also action games on their resume, but the majority are more mainstream like these)?

This Is Football (Soccer)
EyeToy Play (1, 2 and 3)
SingStar
SingStar Party
Eyetoy Chat
World Tour Soccer
Singstar Pop
EyeToy Kinetic (yes, that close to Kinect - MS copied anyone?)
EyeToy Operation Spy
Eyetoy Kinetic Combat
EyeTor Play Sports
SingStar Rocks!
SingStar Anthems

And on PS3 Singstar titles, PS Eye titles - such as EyePet and DanceStar Party (aka Everybody Dance)

My point being that Sony Europe has always had a more balanced view of gamers that included many more mainstream/casual titles and titles oriented towards gamers with a less macho/violent gaming preference. So I don't find it at all surprising that a SCEE executive would say that with the PS4 (which is likely to be an evolution of the PS3 and will not have graphics better than 1080p - the same as the PS3) there will be a greater focus on mainstream/casual gamers and female gamers. After all, with the PS3 Sony deliberately courted 'hardcore' gamers with a much larger number of shooters (Resistance was a launch title) and action games heavily targeted at hardcore and male gamers. That's not to say that female gamers don't enjoy a good shooter, of course they do. But if you are looking at the market as a whole, and the demographics, the vast majority of players of such games fall into the hardcore, male gamer category.

So perhaps this is more of a case of redressing the balance in terms of where the focus is?

The hardware is and will be the hardware. As we've discussed before, the new PS4 hardware is very likely to be an evolution of the PS3. If you took the PS3 as it is today, replaced the CellBE with the more modern PowerXcell8i design (same number of cores, far more efficient design) at a 3.5 GHz clock speed, put in a new nVidia GPU and merely bumped the RAM to 2GB System and 1GB video, you'd have a system capable of 1080p60 without any problems. That's about as much effort as it would take to take the PS3 to a performance point in the region of 50% faster (CPU) and several times faster (GPU). Anythign more than that, and the performance gains could be considerable. In fact if Sony simply put two integrated CellBEs in the system with updated SPUs along with a modern GPU the system would be about 3 times more powerful in CPU terms and 4 times more powerful (at least) in GPU terms. It really is that simple. so I don't believe that we should be concerned about the hardware. Everything else is the games, and in my opinion, it's time That Sony remembered that in this *huge* gaming market, the broadest reach wins. So perhaps widening the focus isn't such a bad idea?

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nath08
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 11:32:25 AM
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I think it will cater for both the mainstream market and the hard core. Sony NEED to get party chat.

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kevinater321
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 11:40:15 AM
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I just want it to be the exact same power as the next xbox. that way xbox gamers wont get pissed when the ps4 is bring there console down (like the ps2 and xbox) or vise versa(like with the ps3 and xbox 360)

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nilos95
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:05:33 PM
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If the average game is a little better looking than Uncharted 3 but in 1080p, I don't care about the rest. After all, my best bet is M$ will be the one going casual, Nintendo....well I don't know what the heck are they doing and Sony hopefully remains hardcore.

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Darwin1967
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 1:56:21 PM
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What I hear in this assumption is that Sony is realizing that social gaming is a cash-cow and is typically funded by women. My mother being one of them. She loves those search/puzzle games that she buys regularly through Game-Fish. They could easily bring in those gamers while still catering to their core base. A next gen system would, I hope, take those 'other' gamers into consideration as Social Gaming is a treasure trove of cash.

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7SM
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 5:14:27 PM
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Pc for me!

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Qubex
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 8:18:41 PM

Lol!

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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PS9
Monday, June 20, 2011 @ 6:36:03 PM
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What Karosso said... without Ken SONY has lost it's identity. PS3's potential exists *precisely* because Ken was pushing the envelope as hard as possible. He was Playstation's soul and as you can see, without him it's just not the same. =(

SONY is essentially stuck it seems. They can't offer anything that will not seem like a modest bump from what we have now. 1080p/60fps, increased texture detail, more polygons, etc... I agree that these elements alone will not create a true next-gen feel. Unlesss... they were increased to a *significant* degree. If I remember correctly, Ken initially wanted a 1,000 fold jump in processing power from PS2 to PS3. He didn't get that of course, but it's the drive and focus that counts. It's what made CELL, and experiences like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 3, possible in the first place. Everybody is talking about how they don't want next-gen yet, and who can blame them? Nobody (with the exception of EPIC and their Samaritan demo) is really trying to show something which will make people want to make that jump.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 12:56:03 AM

Last I heard Kutaragi was still a consultant, doing what he does best.

He didn't exactly do a great job as the public face of the company. Kaz is much better.

BTW I really miss Phil.

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Mukkinese
Tuesday, June 21, 2011 @ 12:12:28 PM
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I have no problem with Sony widening their appeal. First of all, they would be stupid to blow off their hardcore users, it isn't going to happen. Secondly, as someone who owns all three machines, I think the Wii has suffered more from outright prejudice than any other console. If third party devs had been more supportive it would have had a lot of "hardcore" games.

Don't forget the previous gen had lots of hardcore games with no more power than the Wii. It's a chicken and egg situation, the Wii couldn't build a hardcore market for itself because third party devs wouldn't create enough hardcore product for it. That was partly because porting to the Wii was so difficult and partly prejudice against what classed as a "casual gamers" machine and nothing else.

Well they don't have that excuse with the Wii U, there is no reason that machine couldn't have all the hardcore titles the other two have right now, and we know the "next-gen isn't going to be a huge leap ahead of the Wii U so let's see which devs have the balls to compete with Nintendo's own software head to head and which make weak excuses.

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Mornelithe
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:51:31 AM
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I personally don't think Sony's that stupid, imo. Nintendo as a company was positioned in a pretty good place to offer up the Wii to it's base. And Nintendo realizes who their base is, younger crowds, and of course, those who are diehard franchise loyalists.

Sony, on the other hand, has seemed to always view it's core as at least being semi-adult. Sure, during the PS2 days there were tons of kid friendly games, but...the PS2 was the only scene in town at the time.

Many of Sony's core franchises are also geared more towards adults than children, even moreso nowadays, although LBP and MNR are obviously well-respected entree's to the E category. But, Heavy Rain? God of War? Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, InFamous, Gran Turismo?

These franchises are really for Sony's core, and it's where Sony's bread is buttered. If people haven't liked Sony franchises up til now, launching a more 'casual' hardware unit is unlikely to change minds anytime soon, while at the same time risking those that helped them through the tough PS3 years.

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stevev363
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:53:01 AM
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So in other words still a 10 year cycle and at least 4 years before any real news on specs. You working for Sony now or did you plan for your article to be vague and newsless? By the time we hit the next console I hope the tech is better so we need less internally.

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stevev363
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:53:01 AM
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So in other words still a 10 year cycle and at least 4 years before any real news on specs. You working for Sony now or did you plan for your article to be vague and newsless? By the time we hit the next console I hope the tech is better so we need less internally.

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Razmoudah
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 6:32:45 AM
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I'll admit that I'm not taking the time to read all of the comments, but I seriously hope that the comment about "making games for women" was mis-understood. For an excessively sexist bullshit statement like that the company WILL lose a lot of respect from me, and I WILL put off getting a PS4 as long as possible. I have personally known a few gal gamers, and they didn't play little games like Harvest Moon, they were playing what some fools label "hardcore" titles (And just what is a "hardcore" title, one so difficult that only someone who has masochistic tendencies and an absolute desire to be able to play it in tournaments has a chance to make any progress worth mentioning?). I've encountered such sexist and asinine statements before, and after reading it reported here as fact I'm not going to have anything more to do with this piece of shit internet mag.

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Ather
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:37:50 PM
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"primarily because a video game console needs games to survive in the long run."

Nuh uh. It just needs a really cool controller. Nintendo's philosophy cna't possibly be wrong. Controlelr first. Games later, if you even care.

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phade2blaq
Saturday, June 25, 2011 @ 7:51:15 PM
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Whenever the PS4 debuts, I hope Sony addresses the following:

Overheating: This little phenomenon has effected every Playstation console since the PS1 !

Freezing: Ditto for this little beauty !

Skipping: Again, ditto !

DRE (Disc Read Error): I've had my fair share of this problem with all my Playstation consoles !

Backwards Compatibility: Either let us have BC or do not include it at all !

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Man10
Monday, June 27, 2011 @ 7:15:03 AM
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i wish the PS4 wouldn't come out in less than 7 years because the PS3 is already very POWERFUL so I don't think the PSQUATRO will change a thing. And I bought the PS3 not long ago so...PS4 DON'T COME OUT!!!!

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