PS3 News: Will Gamers Ever Like Activision Or Square Enix Again? - PS3 News

Members Login: Register | Why sign up? | Forgot Password?

Will Gamers Ever Like Activision Or Square Enix Again?

If there are two publishers that take a gigantic amount of heat from gamers, it's the Call of Duty mega-company Activision and the ailing one-time RPG gurus at Square Enix.

The question is, will the majority of gamers ever learn to love either publisher again? There was a time when Square Enix was Squaresoft during the first PlayStation generation, and everything Square touched turned to gold. I'm referring to more than games in the Final Fantasy franchise; let's not forget about Vagrant Story, Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana, Xenogears, and even Einhander (a side-scrolling space shooter, for crying out loud). They were all pretty damn amazing. These days, RPGers are wondering what Square Enix has done to their precious FF series and other projects they've tried have fallen flat.  The fans just don't like their constant emphasis on appealing to Western tastes.

During Squaresoft's reign, Activision was suffering, as they were struggling with bankruptcy right around the time the PlayStation debuted. Now, Activision rules the world, but at the sacrifice of the hardcore gamer crowd that despises the publisher's apparent money-grubbing ways. The outspoken majority also sees Activision as really only having two massive successes in CoD and World of Warcraft, despite what Hirshberg says. The strange part is that because CoD seems to cater to a great many casual gamers, who really don't care what company publishes the games, Activision gets no love from those millions. Fisher Price could produce CoD, for all the fans care. But the older gamers who aren't quite so enamored with either CoD or WoW are a little miffed for a number of reasons.

So the questions is- will either company ever break free and become loved in the eyes of the avid game enthusiast? If so, which one?

Tags: activision, square enix, call of duty, final fantasy, gaming industry

6/23/2011 9:08:42 PM Ben Dutka

Put this on your webpage or blog:
Email this to a friend
Follow PSX Extreme on Twitter

Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Share on Google Share on MySpace Share on Delicious Share on Digg Share on Google Buzz Share via E-Mail Share via Tumblr Share via Posterous

Comments (79 posts)

Oyashiro
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:30:59 PM
Reply

I really want nothing to do with Activision. I find it sad that they became what they hated most when they first formed.

As for SE... I want to love them again... But they are making it to hard to even look at them this generation.

Agree with this comment 11 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Teddie9
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:35:47 PM

Yeah SE still has a chance but it feels like that window will close on them soon.

Agree with this comment 9 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Claire C
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:01:11 PM

Maybe Square will have a triumphant return with the PS4.

Agree with this comment 7 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

cLoudou
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:51:11 PM

Yes, SE triumphant return to the PS will be highlighted by yet another FFVII tech demo on the PS4. That's their highlight for the PS3 so far.

Last edited by cLoudou on 6/23/2011 11:53:59 PM

Agree with this comment 8 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

GuernicaReborn
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:32:11 PM
Reply

I remember wondering the same thing about EA last gen...

We're hard on them now, but I don't think it's because we hate them. I'd say it's more disappointment than hate.

If S-E could go back to their old JRPG awesomeness that everyone loved, people would flock back to them. They changed their formula, and in effect, they lost what made them special in the first place.

Activision, on the other hand...

Agree with this comment 11 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Teddie9
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:37:15 PM

EA's got Bioware, so they're alright in my book.

Agree with this comment 7 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Fatcat3788
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:57:21 PM

They also got Visceral Games which means they have the DEAD SPACE franchise. EA definately climbed themselves out of the hole they dug them selves into.

Agree with this comment 10 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Riku994
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:44:26 PM
Reply

SE will come back with FFv13 and KH3.... Just you wait...

Agree with this comment 3 up, 3 down Disagree with this comment

Claire C
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:06:28 PM

Yah, what's the deal with Versus XIII? Coming 2012 maybe?

Agree with this comment 6 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

cLoudou
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:46:23 PM

I feel SE doesn't want to make KH3 because it will have to stay exclusive unless they will be making a KH collection that will also be on the 360. I think they would like to make an all-new KH if possible, complete with new characters fresh for Multiplatforms.

But what the hell do I know?

Agree with this comment 2 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Riku994
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:55:52 PM

Versus is most likely going to release in 2012, given their current release sleight.

Nomura WANTS to make KH3,but all his time is going into Versus.

Agree with this comment 5 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Claire C
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 9:55:27 PM
Reply

I think Square should step away from Final Fantasy for a while (once they finish all the FF games currently in developement) and just give us some fresh new rpg series with that PS1/PS2 flavor. I've been playing a ton of PS1 rpgs lately and they totally trump anything this gen.

Agree with this comment 7 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Excelsior1
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:01:29 PM
Reply

the simple answer is yes it's possible. ea was in the doghouse awhile back and seemed to able to turn their image around.

i would argue that the 20 million copies of cod bo sold shows it's pretty irrevelant if activision is loved or not by the majority of gamers. it's pretty obvious a lot of people love activision's games enough to make a purchase.

squaresoft is in a tough spot becuase everbody whines and moans about every change they have made to its ff games. the last game still managed to sell a lot of copies. as long as it looks like they are making an effort to address the fans concerns then it's possible they can turn around their image as well. i don't think square is disliked nearly as much as activsion. i think some of the dislike for square stems from their "betrayal" of sony by supporting the 360 as much as they have.

i still like square. one off final fantasy games isn't enough to get me to hate them. as much as i dislike their decision to back ms this generation, i understand it was a business decision based purely on the amount of marketshare ms has picked up this generation.

they have made a lot of great games for the handhelds, and their production values are still top notch. i eagerly await ffvs13, and ff13-2. i still think it's tough to find another developer that can rival square's production values and art design. square can fix some of the design choices they have made. as long as the kill tubes are out and there is some exploration along with the traditional elememts we have come love in the ff games i'll be happy.

we'll soon find out if square has any intention of addressing its fans concerns. if they do, that will take a lot of the heat off of them.



Agree with this comment 6 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

Highlander
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:23:13 PM

EA has remained relatively quiet, and it has served them well, they also made great efforts to improve their PS3 output about a year before other 3rd parties even realized that they might need to.

Agree with this comment 7 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

A2K78
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:03:12 PM
Reply

"Squaresoft during the first PlayStation generation, and everything Square touched turned to gold."

Even in their day Squaresoft/SE put out some crap, much of it you had to import. Other than that I don't know how you can say everything the company put out turned to gold given the crappy nature of a title like Driving Emotion Type S.

As for will gamers like Square Enix or Activison again, gamers already like them and you can see in the fact games like COD, FF, Dragon Quest, WOW, Starcraft continue to sell in droves.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 8 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:08:53 PM

Nitpicking doesn't somehow erase the overwhelming truth of the whole.

Agree with this comment 7 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

matt99
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:04:43 PM
Reply

I really don't think Activision cares if people like them as long as they make money...and that says it all.

Agree with this comment 7 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Drake_RB3
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:06:38 PM
Reply

I'm tired of seeing customizable characters justifying a game being an RPG. My hat's off to Bioware and similar game makers but let's have some traditional JRPGs on next-gen systems.

My patience is running out with Square Enix.

Agree with this comment 6 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Fane1024
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 3:45:07 AM

customizable characters
Role...Playing...Game

If you aren't *playing* a role in some meaningful way, it's not a role playing game.

Bioware's games are RPGs because you control the decisions of your character. Well, some of them at least.

I'm not sure which aspect of JRPGs you think makes them role playing games, but I can't think of one that makes them *more* "justified" than western RPGs.

I'm all for more (any) JRPGs this gen, though.


Last edited by Fane1024 on 6/24/2011 3:47:14 AM

Agree with this comment 1 up, 3 down Disagree with this comment

Drake_RB3
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:51:51 AM

True. Guess I'm just old-fashioned.

Agree with this comment 2 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

tes37
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:20:16 PM
Reply

I think Activision would have a harder time gaining the favor of gamers because they're in a better position financially and less likely to make any concessions.

Square Enix is sitting on a mountain of great franchises. There are a lot of fans that I believe are willing to forgive and forget, if Square would deliver a game that's true to their roots. Square Enix has a better chance of being liked by gamers than Activision does, in my opinion.

Agree with this comment 8 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Highlander
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:21:15 PM
Reply

In a word, 'No.'

But, for the heck of it, I'll consider what it would take...

It'd take a real AAA JRPG from SE to regain any respect from me. Activision would have an easier time because Although I think they are a perfect example of a money grubbing corporate, their biggest perceived offense is distorting the gaming world with CoD. If they were to start being more creative with new IPs that were not dependent on shooter style action, gore or horror, then I could actually see them regain some respect quite readily - Assuming that Bobby Kotick stops speaking to the media.

Last edited by Highlander on 6/23/2011 10:21:39 PM

Agree with this comment 7 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

AnonymousPoster
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:31:38 PM
Reply

It's always possible for a company to turn things around. I remember a while back, EA was seen as being about as terrible a game company as there could be; perceived as obsessed only with cash flow, and treating employees badly. But they've turned it around, and they did it by sponsoring original and innovative games, like Mirror's Edge and Dead Space. There was even an almost literal "passing of the hate" moment, when EA rescued Brutal Legend from being killed by Activision. Now EA's not such a stink in the room, and all within only a few years.

Can Activision do the same thing? That's up to them.

I doubt SquareEnix will ever be an RPG powerhouse again. They've made it clear enough that they want to go in another direction. But that direction might not be so bad. The new Tomb Raider is looking fantastic, for starters, and I never cared about that series 'til now. I'd say they have to choose either one way or the other, not both. Quit half-assing the RPG side, and leave it to people who know what they're doing. They clearly don't know what that fan base wants any more.

Agree with this comment 5 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

LimitedVertigo
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 10:59:48 PM
Reply

I still love SE. It's going to take making one mediocre game in a fantastic long running series for me to jump ship. I'm enjoying their support of the PSP and hoping for to see them turnaround.

Agree with this comment 5 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

oldmike
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:32:39 AM

the last 3 FF were sub par to me
X-2 and the dress up girls
XII the the chore it was to play thou(it was not fun at all)
XIII 20 hours in then you get to play the game but its all speed baced game play

Agree with this comment 2 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

LimitedVertigo
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:38:40 AM

X-2's job system was great. Reminded me of FFV and I loved the gameplay, sure the storyline was a mess and it could be girly but I loved battling.

FXII to this day is my favorite FF in terms of grinding. I love the gambit system and I enjoy tinkering with it and refining it more and more. I also enjoyed the setting and the characters.

FFXIII had abysmal gameplay but I kept wanting to play to get the entire story and it had amazing production value.

Agree with this comment 5 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Vivi_Gamer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:35:15 AM

X-2 - I was expecting to dislike this game and I did. Once again I will refer towhen I chucked the disk out of my window after the poopie line...

XII - The biggest disapointment for me in gaming history the 1st proper FF title to let me down, Which I am still heavily bitter about >:(

XIII - A thrill ride, I simple loved it from start to finish, but since I platinumed the game I have not replayed it.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 5 down Disagree with this comment

Jawknee
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:42:46 AM

Indeed Limited. They have released some gems on the PSP this generation.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:38:17 AM

For sure, LV. PSP games have been great.

FFX-2: I agree. Although I hated the dialogue (despite a decent story for a sequel), that battle system may have been the best battle system of the entire FF series. It was excellent, and that's something too many people overlook just because the often girly dialogue made their insecurities come to the forefront.

FFXII - Although I was unsure about the MMO feel of the battle system, I actually felt it lent itself to a high degree of customization and strategy. Most people played that game making everyone above average at everything instead of giving each character a job and bringing the strengths of that job to the forefront. Most people struggle against a boss at level 50 with their sub-par strategies that I would own easily at level 35 because I understand the importance of having differing jobs between healers, damage dealers, support jobs, and tanks.

And you're right. Grinding was actually fun!

FFXIII: I enjoyed it very much as well and also platinumed it. (also haven't touched it since. lol) But I didn't enjoy it for the gameplay. I'm a sucker for impressive HD graphics. More often than not I found myself stopping and just moving the camera around to look at the view! But gameplay wise... it completely lacked the variety and opportunity for personal strategy both of the other 2 mentioned games had in abundance. (Although, I did appreciate the passive abilities associated with having all 3 party members the same class. ie. Tortoise (all damage cut in half))

Anyways, SE has only had one big let down for me. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried.

Agree with this comment 2 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Lenoxseer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:40:03 PM

I dont care what any of you all say because its all our own personal opinion and prefrences, but Final Fantasy XII was the funnest FF since FFVI on the SNES.

Im done here. lol

Agree with this comment 3 up, 2 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 4:29:48 PM

With an intro like that, what makes you think any of us are invested into considering your reasoning? I mean...what did you like about FFXII and FFVI besides the fact that it's the most fun (or "funnest", in your language). Perhaps we don't care what you think either.

So lemme get this straight. You don't care what we think because it's personal preference. So... logically... the next step is to then tell us what your personal preference is?

Agree with this comment 3 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

allDFlavors
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:57:56 PM

X-2: I have to disagree. I wanted to like it, but the fighting system besides what they took from X was a bit of a pain with having to switch jobs in battle. The story was a mess, and pretty bland from what I remember. It was also the first final fantasy I didn't try to bother finishing.

XII: The story never delivered on the potential it showed in the first 10 hours or so, but that was easily the most addicting battle system I've seen in an FF game. I did more grinding and put more hours into one play through of that game (around 130-140) than I put into any game in one play through. Everything was going great until I accidentally had a full-heal reflected off of one of my guys and onto Yiazmat.... yeah, wasting 2 hours and failing a battle kind of ended the fun.

XIII: I still feel disappointed in this one. I can't even bring myself to boot it up again after I beat it the first time. I tried once, and then I remembered that I didn't like it and it felt more like an obligation to play than fun.

Agree with this comment 2 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Lenoxseer
Saturday, June 25, 2011 @ 3:01:01 PM

To Underdog15,
Its all just fun and games. Me and most of everyone else are here to have a good time and read some great articles. There is really no need for you to get like that. Just have fun and don't take everything so seriously. Thank You and remember have fun.

P.S. Me saying funnest is poking fun. I don't actually talk like that. Maybe, you never saw the 'lol' at the end. Oh and 'lemme' is not a word. lol :)

Last edited by Lenoxseer on 6/25/2011 3:08:14 PM

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Monday, June 27, 2011 @ 10:17:00 AM

"So, lemme get this straight." is a pretty famous saying all the way back to 1950's television. No shit "lemme" is not a word...

Face it, you came on here and weren't just joking around. You said you don't care what anyone says. Man up. Dick thing to say in a comments section. I assumed it wasn't a joke because it wasn't funny.

Please don't try to start a debate with me.

Most of us are here to have a good time, read some articles, and comment with one another. We don't appreciate people telling us our thoughts are irrelevant. Somehow placing an "lol" at the end of a comment doesn't make it any less rude or abrasive. That's extremely elementary thinking.

Face it. I called you out on a stupid thing to say. Either apologize or give me a legitimate reason about how I mis-read what you wrote. If I read it wrong, I'll apologize.

And if you don't mind... this time... try to actually respond to the things I wrote. You didn't even say anything, really, in your reply.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 6/27/2011 10:22:48 AM

Agree with this comment 0 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

FM23
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:02:06 PM
Reply

Well I never had anything against either one of these companies. Activision doesn't make games, they support them to make profit. Nothing against that. Never been a fan of Square since I don't care for FF like that (not sure what else they make), but I'm guessing the fans hate them and people like me don't even care about them. Either way, no one cares about them...lmao

And I'm pretty sure people like CoD so Activision isn't really hated. Funny thing, most people who play CoD know nothing about the company behind the game. It's pretty obvious and they don't care. Personally I hate Activision and CoD's DLC overpricing, but in the long haul...they make games people love and play forever. That in itself is very positive for gamers. Everyone so negative to CoD, but CoD is the game the will expose casual gamers to other games like GTA did to casual gamers in the PS2 days. I was one of them.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 3 down Disagree with this comment

PasteNuggs
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:12:22 PM
Reply

I really hope SE can return to their former glory. I think we will find out when some of upcoming projects are released. To see if they have actually listened to the fans like they claim.
As for Activision they will never change. They been doing the same thing since Tony Hawk and are now the biggest publisher in the world. I guess there doing something right even if many of us hate it.

Off topic, I was wondering if we could expect a review for the new Transformers game Ben.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Claire C
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:15:44 PM
Reply

PS: Square, can you please bring Dragon Quest to an f-ing Sony platform? What are you worried about, appeasing us and selling a ton? =>.>=

Agree with this comment 10 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Lenoxseer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:40:53 PM

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Agree with this comment 4 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

cLoudou
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:18:39 PM
Reply

SE, gimme FFVII remake and I'll think about it. Make FFXV exclusive, and I'll definitely forgive you.

Agree with this comment 4 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Lenoxseer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:47:01 PM

I am with you on FFXV being exclusive, but I dont really want a FFVII remake. Sure I'll take it if they do make it, but its not high on my list. Its actually not even one of my favorites. Dont get me wrong FFVII is still an amazing game, but I guess after playing FFVI on SNES nothing can trump the experience I had with that gem of a game. I kind of go back and forth between wanting a remake and not wanting one for FFVI. I want to see it made for the current generation of gamers to see, but I am afraid of it being tarnished.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Excelsior1
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:25:18 PM
Reply

Ben,

for tour next psxe show, could you walk us through your favourite rpg's of all time? you could talk about what makes them great, and maybe hit on the topic of square's glory days.

Agree with this comment 6 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 12:34:27 AM

Maybe.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Vivi_Gamer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:31:34 AM

I second this :)

Agree with this comment 4 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Bloodedge
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 3:13:04 AM

I too would like to see that on the show. I'm sure FF Tactics would get a mention.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

556pineapple
Thursday, June 23, 2011 @ 11:50:06 PM
Reply

As I mentioned in the Call of Duty article, I really want to like Activision again, but they haven't done anything to make that happen. They just keep making the same mistakes over and over. They had a hit with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, so what did they do? They released a new title every year and slowly beat it to death. Once Guitar Hero became a hit, they bought it, and beat it to death 3x as fast. Now they're doing the same with Call of Duty. They're so obsessed with making money, they destroy the games which I would like them for in the first place.

As for SE, I was never that into RPGs during their heyday, but have recently discovered such gems as FFVII, Xenogears, and Parasite Eve (all pre-Square Enix, btw.) Though I find it hard to devote the time to actually get into the games, once I do, I have a hard time stopping. The stories are so ENGAGING! I haven't played any of their newer games, but judging from the negative reaction, I think I'll remain in the glory years, thank you very much.

I hope these companies can recover their image. SE should be producing great games, and Activision does, they just don't know that the cow needs some rest between milkings.

Last edited by 556pineapple on 6/23/2011 11:55:44 PM

Agree with this comment 3 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Mog
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:05:32 AM
Reply

"Every story must have an ending" Auron, FFX. I have lost faith in square enix..... They were once great but no more.

Agree with this comment 5 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Bloodysilence19
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:29:18 AM
Reply

i have no hate for both companies really just don't like what activision is doing by relying so much on cod that there's hardly any new ip from them. Squarnix needs to go back to their roots and make a real ff with real depth story like ff7,8, and 10 was. Give us a actual open world ff like its always been really and last make kingdom hearts 3 already

Last edited by Bloodysilence19 on 6/24/2011 1:32:27 AM

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Russell Burrows
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:33:07 AM
Reply

Call of Noob: Yawn Ops???
Not buying that garbage!! ever!!

Garbage in, garbage out.
Square-Enix, garbage out.
GIGO!! not buying any more GIGO!!!!!

Agree with this comment 1 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

JDC80
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:48:01 AM
Reply

The only games I ever get from Activison are the Spider-Man games can't help it big fan of Spidey. And the last S-E game I brought for me(gf is a big kingdom hearts freak)was FF 10-2.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Vivi_Gamer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:04:49 AM

That is unfortunate...

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:39:49 AM

Good battle system in that last one. Possibly the best of the series.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Vivi_Gamer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:03:46 AM
Reply

While they're not at the peak of the squaresoft days S-E is still going strong. In one year alone we have have Nier(might be a bit over ayear but meh), FFXIII, FFIV (A great! PSP re-release), The 3rd Birthday and Dissidia 2, all games I have enjoyed thoughly, Still my favourite company...

Last edited by Vivi_Gamer on 6/24/2011 2:04:16 AM

Agree with this comment 3 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:46:29 AM

Level-5 is my favorite now. (although I recognize SE is more likely to publish and Level 5 is more likely to develop)

Nier was pretty good. Third Birthday was pretty good too. I love FFIV, but that's recycled. Dissidia 2 is also good, but also most of that is recycled too, from the first dissidia.

But neither Nier nor 3rd Birthday were AAA quality. It's not that SE is completely crap, or anything. They have continued to release the occasional good game, for sure. But they no longer release 9.0+ games on a regular basis anymore. That much is obvious.

Of course, I'm admittedly a little butt-hurt about there not being a single 9+ jRPG this gen on consoles. Not one! ah well... Maybe in a year or two when PS3 games are cheaper to develop for we'll see some good ones. DQ8, afterall, didn't come out until the latter part of the PS2 generation, for example.

Agree with this comment 2 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Vivi_Gamer
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 11:46:37 AM

FFIV is not just a recycle, though It's far more replayable than the older versions same as the PSP FF1 and 2, its an essential re-release.

As for an AAA game, XIII satisfied my need for that, The story was just so captivating I literally could not put it down, played through 50 hours in a week for the main campaign and then the other adding another month of playability, for a singleplayer game thats pretty good.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:22:43 PM

See, for me, I need good character development for it to be a good story. Character development in FFXIII was incredibly poor. If you're the type of person who would be intensely interested in History, for example, then character development is likely not a major factor for you. In that case, I can understand the story grabbing you.

I, personally, found it frustrating that in order to know all the backstory, I had to read through the archives for hours. The portrayal of human brokenness and the motivations for why people are the way they are, are what motivate me to indulge in a story. The synopsis is there, but that's not enough. To use FFVII as an example, you, the player, are forced to live out the past that made you what you are. You don't just read about it in the start menu if you feel like getting around to it. Know what I mean?

As for FFIV, I'm pretty sure the after years and the main game was playable in other ways other than the PS1 remake. Either way, it's still a rehash and far from an original entry.

Personally, I see AAA as being a 9+ title. A score FFXIII could not attain with any consistency. But I can accept it being seen as that way, to be fair to you. Still though, I can't help but be bothered by the fact that in nearly 5 years, there has been only 1. Like I said earlier though... I'm a little biased towards the genre, and I have clear memories of times when I couldn't even get around to all the top notch jRPG's out there. I'm sure I'll get over it someday, though.

Last edited by Underdog15 on 6/24/2011 1:24:52 PM

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Oyashiro
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 5:31:13 PM

Don't forget that Nier was not developed buy SE, they only published. Cavia made Nier, but their gone now.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Jawknee
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:45:09 AM
Reply

I have never liked Craptivision and never will. Square's console games this gen have been Blagh! But at least their PSP titles have been somewhere between great and fantastic.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 3 down Disagree with this comment

Fane1024
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 3:32:15 AM
Reply

"So the questions is- will either company ever break free and become loved in the eyes of the avid game enthusiast?"

Only if they lose their current "leadership".

Agree with this comment 4 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

bentl78
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 3:59:08 AM
Reply

Hum..i dont get it.. i just feel, people always say how great the old games are and how bad the new ones are.. i think we felt that way about the games back then coz it grew up with us, and expectations were lower due to technology..

i for one, still roots for squareenix... i like FF13. it was the best game, but i still truely enjoyed the experience. Vanille's voice was a bit too much to handle, but then... that was that..

activision on the other hand.. never liked them.. never will i guess.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:49:39 AM

You are right about one thing. People have always complained "the games now are not like the games of old". I remember some people took a REAL issue with FF7 being a bit of a departure from the older FF's. (It wasn't very medieval, for example)

But the difference is, Squaresoft did remarkably well as those thoughts weren't in the majority. Square-Enix, on the other hand, I don't think it's any secret they are struggling financially in the wake of recent leadership.

Agree with this comment 3 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 10:18:31 AM

...I don't see anywhere in the article where it says or even implies that "old games are good and new games are bad."

Nobody really even believes that.

Agree with this comment 5 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

bentl78
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 4:00:20 AM
Reply

As for poeple mentioning EA. EA is good in my books. Lots of good games from them!

Agree with this comment 3 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

___________
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 4:12:47 AM
Reply

absolutely!
IF antivision stop treating people like banks,and IF they actually put out a multitude of awesome games, and not milk them to hell IE take more then a year between sequels.
IF they can do both those things then yea i dont see why not.
IF $E can stop being so money grubbing and be happy with a small market, and go back to there old ways and make a distinctly japanese RPG, then yea i cant see why not.
likelihood of either of those ever happening?
well, id say its more likely to see kratos on the 360!

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Lawless SXE
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 5:10:36 AM
Reply

Activision just need to make some TRULY top notch, diverse games and support new IP development, rather than building on old ideas, ie. Prototype basically doing little more than building on the old Hulk: Ultimate Destruction game. And not shutting down studios because their games don't quite manage to hit sales targets (I can never remember if that was the Blur or the Split/Second: Velocity developer...). Also, stop milking your bloody franchises. 18 Hero games in five years, a new CoD every year with overly expensive map packs, Skylanders with its toy line, Tony Hawk with little innovation is spite of consistently declining review scores and sales and finally yet another useless plastic peripheral device.

Follow EA's example, and you'll drag yourself out.

As for S-E, they were before my time, but I'd say go back to what worked before, rather than trying to cater to a new crowd. It's not that difficult. Oh, and a FFVII remake would certainly help *wink wink * *nudge nudge*
But yeah, show me a TRUE JRPG, with an intense, emotional and engaging storyline, memorable characters, a slower ATB, full control over your party, the works. I may just fall in love.
Peace.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Dustinwp
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 8:49:33 AM
Reply

I haven't bought an Activision game since Marvel Ultimate Alliance. They really produce nothing of interest to me. EA on the other hand, I've bought crap loads of their games! I bought two EA games this month actually, Alice:The Madness Returns and Shadows of Damned. If Activision put more emphasis on quality like EA has, I might be able to tolerate them.
As for S-E, I really don't care for them but at least they're still producing a few games of interest.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Deleted User
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 10:11:14 AM
Reply

I'm done with Activision.

S-E, maybe if Yoichi Wada or whatever his name is goes away, maybe things will turn around. Kingdom Hearts 3 would be nice, even though Disney is obsessed with lame pop stars/actors.

Agree with this comment 2 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

DVE2k
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 11:00:22 AM
Reply

They are the drug dealers of gaming xD

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Radiohead
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 11:50:57 AM
Reply

I miss squaresoft!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree with this comment 3 up, 1 down Disagree with this comment

sirbob6
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 12:57:11 PM
Reply

Unless they do something that is completely amazing, that revolutionizes gaming and puts them onto the pedestal of awesomeness, shattering the world as we know it, that will be a no.

So in short... no

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

dmiitrie
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 1:39:26 PM
Reply

Sure, both companies can absolutely get back the love of the fans, easily too. It just takes making good games.

Activision used to make good games. If I could get it to work, I would play Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries today, 15 years after it came out. And Squaresoft's glory days for the SNES and PS1 are well known here.

If either or both companies can go back to making good, quality, AAA titles for home consoles, then I don't see a reason why all would not be forgiven.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Slime
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 2:10:03 PM
Reply

Of course gamers like activision and Square enix its just not the same gamers as a few years ago.

You lot is all too old get yer pipes out and tell it to the grandchildren lol :P

now where did i put me slippers ..grumble grumble..

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

trumpetmon65
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 3:29:56 PM
Reply

honestly, square's biggest failure was ffxiv. Other than that, sales wise, and even ratings wise, square is still doing some great things. They're publishing some very promising games such as the new tomb raider (which looks great), and the new deus ex (which also looks great) and they published Just Cause II which is an amazingly fun game. EA hasn't ever looked better as a developer as they do now. ffxiii was still a fine game, they just missed a few steps and so it wasn't the masterpiece we all expected to play over and over again. I still put in about 90 hours into the game and didn't even realize it until I got to the very end. They still do plenty of things right. They're trying to do new things, and they've messed up in a few areas, but they're trying. 3rd birthday anyone? remember that? latest release? kinda great? yeah? sheesh.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

tlpn99
Friday, June 24, 2011 @ 6:18:05 PM
Reply

Activision possibly if they do things right. Squeenix from what I have heard what they have done to Final Fantasy for a lot of you then I would say no. I came to FF late having only gotten 13 but it seemed to lack things like villages.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Roneel
Sunday, June 26, 2011 @ 12:52:32 PM
Reply

IVe been in denial ever since Squaresoft and Enix merged, trying ever so hard to like what they brought me, being more and more disappointed. I pray for a day when i enjoy playing Square games again :'(

Activision and EA on the other hand seem to have switched sides in the who's hated most category.

But I guess it could come down to leadership, because while Bobby Kotick is a businessman through and through (hides wallet, John Riccitiello is apparently a lover of games, so i guess when it comes down to it, its better to have someone who is an actual gamer, i guess you can trust them a bit more, that and Kotick has a weasely face >.>

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Underdog15
Monday, June 27, 2011 @ 10:21:28 AM

Your avitar... it ees huuuuge.

Agree with this comment 0 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

MysticJon
Sunday, June 26, 2011 @ 3:27:50 PM
Reply

Square Enix, I want to love once again. They still have a chance to win their fans back, but eventually that window will close and SE will become "just another company."

Activision, I'm done with. Absolutely done with, they have zero chance of regaining my trust.

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Senergized
Sunday, June 26, 2011 @ 5:11:35 PM
Reply

Man that FFVII tech demo was a big TEASE lol I think the two companies should go back to basics and for them to do some soul searching.... and find out what made them GREAT... from where i'm seeing there future looks bleak, who knows if they are waiting for the PS4 that's a long shot as Sony didn't mention on when the PS4 would be out. So for now I guess it's back to the drawing board for SE and Activision peace :)

Agree with this comment 1 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

GamerO1
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 8:43:42 AM
Reply

Square has been going down the wrong path since FFIX... Slowly but Surely !!!
They acquired and Ruined Enix to follow their path of glory, which has become their death march.
For some reason they think that Graphics is all they need to sell a game, but they are sooooooooooo wrong. I'll gladly play a 16 bit choppy graphics game any day, over Final Fantasy 99 !!!
I want to see the return of the old FF games on our main stream consoles, like the PS3 & Xobx 360. Like remakes of FF 1 - 8, DQ 1 - 8, Cosmic Fantasy, Arc the Lad, Breath of Fire, Fire Emblem, Lufia, Grandia, Shining Force, SaGa Frontier, and a lot of others...
Goodbye Square !!!

Agree with this comment 0 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

zensaturn
Friday, July 01, 2011 @ 11:04:32 PM
Reply

i'm sure i'm just beating a dead horse here when i say squenix went downhill when sakaguchi left. i really wish mistwalker would come to ps3, if you haven't played lost odyssey then your missing a great traditional jrpg, the moment i picked it up it felt like the old final fantasy style, turn based gameplay, great story, at least 80 hours and towns... look into it

Agree with this comment 0 up, 0 down Disagree with this comment

Leave a Comment

Please login or register to leave a comment.

Our Poll

What do you think about The Last Of Us: Remastered?
Fantastic! Can't wait to get it!
Good, not sure if I'll buy immediately.
Eh, not bad, but I don't care.
It's just a stupid money grab.

Previous Poll Results