Sledgehammer Defends MW3, Takes Shot At Battlefield 3
In the ongoing battle between EA and Activision concerning the two biggest titles of the year (potentially), EA has been getting in a lot of shots.
But now that Battlefield 3 has plenty of support and hype, maybe it's time that Infinity Ward fires back and defends their upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. Well, don't forget that multiple studios are working on MW3, so in this case, it's Sledgehammer Games that comes to the rescue for CoD fanatics. Sledgehammer boss Glen Schofield spoke to AusGamers about the big new blockbuster, and he had a few jabs for DICE:
"You can go out and name your engine and call it whatever you want, right. You know, I've done that before, I've seen that trick and the bottom line is, this game will run at 60 frames a second. Not sure any of our competitors will.
Not sure I've seen any of our competitors on the console, especially running at 60 frames a second, and I'd be a little scared at this point - in June - if I was looking forward to a particular game that wasn't on the console and running at 60."
Schofield adds that 60FPS gives MW3 the "competitive edge" and at the end of the day, "you don't ship an engine, you ship a game." He has a point. Then again, many gamers have responded by saying they'd prefer 30FPS with Frostbite 2 rather than 60FPS with a 6-year-old engine. It's true that a developer doesn't "ship an engine," but isn't that kind of important?
At any rate, you can bet that both productions involved will be immensely popular; the only question that remains is- which one wins from a critical standpoint? It'll be interesting.
Related Game(s): Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
Tags: cod, call of duty, mw3, modern warfare 3
6/29/2011 10:54:42 AM Ben Dutka
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manofchao5
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 5:04:14 PM
bigrailer19
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:15:04 AM
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CrusaderForever
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:05:57 PM
ZettaiSeigi
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:18:48 AM
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It's just a tech query that I have. I am obviously no guru when it comes to this, so I'd like to hear some opinion from those who are more familiar with it.
Since I don't play a lot of FPS games, I can't really say which one of the two will be technically better. However, that's not gonna stop me from rooting for Battlefield 3 just because it's not an old game slapped with a new number.
Jawknee
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:34:03 AM
Him
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 2:26:15 PM
godsman
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 6:24:30 PM
Someone with technical background can shed some light in this topic?
Teddie9
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 7:07:27 PM
Eld
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 9:02:05 PM
faraga
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 11:31:44 AM
Jawknee
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:31:28 AM
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bigrailer19
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:34:56 AM
Jawknee
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:42:23 AM
Jawknee
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:51:44 AM
Highlander
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:11:32 PM
It's like HD resolutions. At a typical viewing distance for a large HDTV (50-60 inch)anything beyond 1080p is essentially pointless because the human eye can't distinguish it. I can't remember the exact math, but it has to do with the number of arc seconds that human vision is precise to and how that precision works out when 8 feet from a 55-inch 1080p screen (for instance). You really can't see any extra resolution unless you are sitting much closer to the screen.
That's why the next bunch of consoles won't go beyond 1080p60, human vision limits the benefit of additional resolution or frames per second. The laws of diminishing returns kick in and there's really not much reason to go beyond 1080p60 in the home environment.
Temjin001
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:44:01 PM
Let go of the text book twig of misunderstood info and just go turn on a 60FPS game and then go play a 30FPS game. Let your brain tell you the difference and stop reciting that crap.
Last edited by Temjin001 on 6/29/2011 12:44:12 PM
Doppel
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 1:19:56 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:03:13 PM
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You know, unless a game is unable to maintain 30fps, that's actually a decent framerate for a game as Uncharted has demonstrated very well indeed. The important element here could be the image quality rather than the frame rate,.
Then again, I agree with the thought; "you don't ship an engine, you ship a game." . Seriously, give your engine a cool name (pun intended), great, go for it. But, let's not make that cool sounding name the focus of the publicity for the game. I think we have seen enough of that BS with the unreal engine games. Instead, focus on your game, how it plays and what it actually looks like.
Jawknee
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:12:23 PM
Cesar_ser_4
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 3:01:47 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 6:04:09 PM
Highlander
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 9:25:09 PM
Personally I felt the best of the lot might have been 720p on that Viewsonic with the 1650x1080 native resolution. 1080p looks very nice as well, but the scaling on the viewsonic gave the 720p output a nice soft edge, like a CRT would, the effect was very nice.
ZettaiSeigi
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 6:37:30 AM
Believe it or not, I am still playing everything on an SDTV (shocker!) but I am definitely going to upgrade before this year ends. I was thinking of getting one of LG's 32" LED TVs (Full HD, but not 3D) but Sony's 3D TV has had my attention since it was announced last E3.
I guess the size shouldn't bother me much since my room is small. But then again, a certain VP said that "gaming is having a ridiculously huge TV in a tiny one-room apartment." LOL
Highlander
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 1:25:02 PM
WolfCrimson
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:12:14 PM
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Excelsior1
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 12:46:51 PM
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a high, and consistent frame rate is considered important for shooters. this gen of consoles just don't have enough horsepower to do it without sacrificing in graphical detail, and post proccessing effects.
i guess i prefer 30 fps games with better graphics, but it would be great to have both.
i think activision has a point about how little we have seen of bf3 on the consoles. i was really surprised it wasn't playable at e3 on the any of the consoles to my knowledge. it just seems odd. bethesda's out there showing off all that awesome syrim footage on the 360 even though it will be on the pc as well.
the only console footage i have seen was from the jimmy fallon show for the ps3. it looked good, but was by no means nearly as good as the awesome pc footage ea has been showing. i know this is to be expected, but i was hoping for a little better considering how much hype frostbite 2.0 was getting.
LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 1:16:25 PM
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SnipeySnake
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 1:19:27 PM
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Godslim
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 3:12:38 PM
Lawless SXE
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 1:29:17 PM
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Godslim
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 3:22:37 PM
Clamedeus
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 5:44:28 PM
Lawless SXE
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 1:44:10 AM
Godslim
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 3:11:22 PM
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see i think gameplay wise cod is the best its just so smooth to play
bf has however the destruction big maps and team work
k3 has the graphics and a mix of both cod and bf
MAKE IT LOL
Clamedeus
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 5:47:22 PM
AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 8:04:15 PM
Clamedeus
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 10:17:04 PM
I know I'm getting Battlefield 3, I'm not sure on MW3 though yet, still waiting on info for it, I really don't know if i want to go through the hassle with what happens in the game.
Excelsior1
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 3:54:02 PM
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UK_MrSim_UK
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 4:20:08 PM
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JMO_INDY
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 4:32:15 PM
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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 8:17:38 PM
bluedarrk
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 4:52:07 PM
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KNG201
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 4:58:54 PM
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Excelsior1
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 7:23:29 PM
i know cod isn't so popular here, but obviously the majority of gamers feel differently. it's delivering something that makes it sell exponentially more than it's competition. most fans don't seem to care about it's aging engine or even the developer. they want it so they can enjoy some arcade fps action with their friends.
the subscription service won't affect the core mw3 game. it's just a glorified stat tracking feature with some traning and tournaments thrown in. i can see some hardcore cod fans going for it.
i think one thing activision does right is they don't rely on download passess or gimmicky early dlc like ea, they make a game they people want to hold onto becuase they find its content compelling for some reason.
Danny007
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 8:07:40 PM
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Temjin001
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 8:31:56 PM
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Admirably, the FrostBite 2 engine has worked a bit harder with the PS3's architecture, having offloaded lighting and shader tasks to SPUs.
Excelsior1
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 10:36:55 AM
Bloodysilence19
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 9:28:08 PM
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Frostbite 2 engine pretty much does everything i said plus with 64 players, dedicated servers and depending on pc set up runs higher than 60fps flawless and smooth. Im not trying to be to much of bf fanboy but as of late cod games aren't that wow factor as when cod 4 first came out. Activision still using the same engine since 4 but with minor to little tweaks to it. So cod ends up looking horrible and not fresh at all.
The guy makes point you don't ship the engine, you ship the game but when the game ends up being the same thing pretty much with minor to little of nothing new 60fps doesn't mean crap. It's the gameplay, the new and fresh things, the whole package that comes with the game that makes the game great.
What dice is doing with the new frostbite engine 2 and more, it delivers all those things with new ungraded 3.0 real-time destructive environments, brand new shaders and textures, Upgrade real-time physics, Huge Maps, Multiple Vehicles, 64 players(pc) 3o players(consoles), Dedicated servers, full experience of war and still run smoothly what more can you ask for.
Im sure cod will smoke bf3 in sells cant denied that but when it comes to the full experience of new and fresh Bf3 leaves cod on the curb.
60fps is great but with these generation consoles now its better to go with 30fps if you want smooth gameplay especially if your doing things like dice is doing on bf3. Plus games like Uc or Gow3 both are 30fps 720p those games are powerhouses in visuals and smoothly gamplay.
Last edited by Bloodysilence19 on 6/29/2011 9:32:44 PM
kevinater321
Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:22:23 PM
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JAMKOR
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 9:01:08 AM
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Give me a consistent constant 30 fps and I am fine.
yuanyao
Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 9:25:22 PM
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Thursday, June 30, 2011 @ 10:00:49 PM
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CoD tweaks and updates their engine to achieve 60fps and BF3 creates a new engine to update their visuals, animation, particles, sound, and all the goodies in-between; but just as he says "you don't ship an engine, you ship a game." This statement makes his claim irrelevant because its the engine that makes it 60fps. Be my guess to choose which game would grab your attention and appeal to your liking...
I played CoD as my first shooter and online experience and personally don't appreciate the fast-paced action. Their perks and killstreaks are second-to-none with a great multiplayer component. Sadly, it feels too fake and has become more of a twitch game, ie. Unreal Tournament. Both games will be great and make lots of gamers happy though I only have money for one since there are a plethora of other releases this fall
p.s. If only money grew on trees...
Last edited by ransomink on 6/30/2011 10:05:49 PM
askubs94
Sunday, July 03, 2011 @ 11:55:06 AM
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Spec Ops, large scale city fighting with low detailed buildings, and double scope. The double scope is the only new thing, hardly even worth noting.
It all comes down to this: can you tell the difference between the prequel? Answer: No.
Last edited by askubs94 on 7/3/2011 11:55:56 AM

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Underdog15
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Wednesday, June 29, 2011 @ 11:13:51 AM
As the end of the day, you aren't shipping an engine at 60-frames-per-second. You should be shipping me a high quality game.
Take that from whatever angle you will.