Is Sony Altering The PlayStation 3?

StevieRV
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:26:59 PM
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component cables are no good anyway, so save money on production by removing the component out and then bundle a HDMI cable, simple

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 6:32:04 AM

There is no Component Out, just the proprietary A/V out which is common to all PlayStations. I doubt they'd remove it, since SDTV use wouldn't be possible.

Internal bits and bobs, maybe.

I'm dubious about the rumor.

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Nas Is Like
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:37:59 PM
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I already have an HDMI cable that I use on my HDTV with my PS3. Does that mean I'm safe?

I was also under the impression that you needed an HDMI cable to view content in HD.

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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:51:23 PM

nope, you can use component video cables to view high definition video at up to 1080p if the tv allows it. Difference over hdmi is that component is an analog signal whereas hdmi is pure digital signal, and the only one capable of transmitting dtshd ma, dolby truehd.

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:58:53 PM

1080p over component is also driving component video to it's limit, you'll get much better picture quality on the same screen via HDMI than component.

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Dancemachine55
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 3:30:33 AM

Last time I checked, componant cable could only do 1080i, not 1080p.

I hope this isn't true, cos many people haven't yet upgraded to HDTV's yet with HDMI. Not only that, but people like me have a surround sound system running on componant for Foxtel and 360, with no way to access the HDMI port on the TV (TV is wall mounted, very annoying)

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nath08
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 5:43:09 AM

I liked your comment, just because of your name and your picture. I love Nas!

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:30:24 AM

OK, no offense to those thumbing my comment down, and I really couldn't care less about the number of thumbs down, but clicking thumbs down to disagree with fact is like trying to tell someone the moon is made of green cheese.

The picture quality on a 1080p HDTV via component is dependent on the signal quality over an analog cable. Component video is not a digital signal, it's purely analog, so the signal is subject to attenuation, interference and synchronization issues that all hurt the quality of the video signal. With HDMI the interface is digital, the transmission of video and audio data is protected by error detection and correction mechanisms. There is no signal attenuation, no interference, nothing of that sort, so that the picture you see is exactly what was coming from the video source. Simply put there is no way what so ever that a component video source can produce better picture quality than HDMI for 1080p, it's simply impossible.

Why do people down vote simple fact? Ignorance must truly be bliss.

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tornado03
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:50:20 PM
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@ Nas, yeah that sounds pretty crazy if anything they should scrap the component cables. I know the Iphone 4 can display video on your tv without any wires connected unless there headed down that route then I doubt it is true.

Last edited by tornado03 on 7/12/2011 9:51:23 PM

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:51:57 PM
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As Stevie said, component cables are kinda blagh anyways. No reason not to get an HDMI cable in this day and age. They can be found for pretty cheap. Unless of course you have an old TV in which case you can't use HDMI or Component cables anyways.

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coverton341
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:07:21 AM

There are televisions out there with component input that do HD but don't have HDMI. I used to own one before I upgraded so I am sure there are still a few in use out there.

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Qubex
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:56:57 PM
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Its a shame to hear this again... one wonders if one purchases a PS4 what will be left of it 5 years after release... I can understand Sony is trying to cut here and there... it is the brave new world we live in. Every cent costs, BUT, what Sony need to understand, is this can also damage their brand.

This continuing hammering can hurt Sony in the long run; simply because of gamer vile that is thrown around when some negativity surfaces around Sony products... "ooh, here is some more poison I can spit on them and make it look worse than it is."

On the other hand gamers advocating we should all go across to the PC may use this as another example of proving that it is far better to have the future of your hardware in your control rather than in a giant corporate who can change specifications at a whim. With new devices coming out including HDMI a standard these antics do then raise the prospect of the necessity of having a "console" of sorts in the future.

There are 2 sides to every story; the PSN intrusion has cost Sony a great deal. Even though the computer entertainment unit is making money, the profits are not spectacular, and I think this generation has actually been a huge uphill struggle for Sony. The landscape is just not what it used to be... and in my opinion, from what I am reading about studios closing and costs associated in making THAT GAME... it is becoming ever more tricky to guarantee the kinds of return corporations need for future investment (and to make some money along the way for their shareholders).

We will see how this goes down, but be prepared for more vile against Sony which does show immaturity and stupidity.

Sony need to cut costs, like many other companies need to in this environment, and, I guess, Sony's present research (and future projections) point to the "majority of people" purchasing their console are doing so for HD (HDMI) gaming.

I don't know if removing the AC ports will compromise sales more in the developing world, but they are cutting out some percentage of the market. I guess their projections tell them it will not be a great loss...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

Last edited by Qubex on 7/12/2011 10:00:32 PM

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:50:37 PM

Sales of CRT TVs have fallen through the floor over the last few years in favor of much, much cheaper HDTVS - with HDMI ports. Someone inside Sony no doubt reasoned that they could save costs and power consumption by ditching the analog video signal generators and interfaces needed for composite and component output.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:11:30 AM

Yes, exactly Highlander. I was highlighting this in my post generally. I don't know why I was thumbed down but anyway, I guess they didn't understand the context of what I was saying...

In conclusion, what I was saying was this:-

1] The usual negative gamers who are typically against Sony will use this as another attack vector

2] The PC gaming crowd may use this as a point against owning consoles

3] This reduction in features could hurt the Sony brand

4] Sony internal projections - for whatever reasons - believe removing this feature will not impact on their overall sales in the developing world specifically, betting that most people who are going to buy the PS3 will purchase it to play via HDMI for HD gaming

That was the gist of my post... its quite simple... and merely to stimulate some discussion on these points...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Temjin001
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:36:27 AM

Brave New World was a good book =p

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:37:55 AM

I agree with you on the hardware topic and the thumbs down...people do it by reflex.

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dmiitrie
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 2:36:43 AM

@Temjin: damn good book. Possibly my favorite.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 2:54:13 AM

Highlander, maybe the start of my post about the PS4 sounded a little condescending I must admit... but I think it is a valid point that maybe in todays brave new world, console makers need to make hardware changes over time in order to remain competitive.

Sony could be readying the hardware for a price drop, so it plays into what you were saying a few posts below...

Whatever, there will be people on either side of this argument that will be for or against what Sony is doing - ultimately Sony will do what it must and if people want to continue to support them that is great for everyone concerned...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Temjin001
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:07:14 AM

diimtrie, it was good. It's hard for me to believe something like that was written in what? the thirties. My english 201 teacher had me read that and 1984 and do a compare & contrast essay on them a couple years ago. interesting stuff.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:38:13 AM

Indeed Qubex. Indeed. I think that Sony has grown a very thick skin over the last 6 years, I am hoping that is to their benefit and not their detriment.

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Claire C
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:57:54 PM
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An article at IGN said it might be due to the "AACS's Adopter Agreement (which) requires any officially licensed Blu-ray player manufactured after Dec. 31, 2011 (to) limit HD support to digital output only".

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:51:39 PM

Nice find. That could well be it, because I know that Sony was upgrading the security on the BluRay in the upcoming SKU, so that could be the root of this, or at least a major consideration for Sony.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 9:59:44 PM
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Who on Earth uses the component HD cables anyway? Get rid of it if it saves any money. Although I can't imagine it would save much.

Why the PS3 doesn't come with an HDMI cable is a mystery to me, they should make the people with old TVs make the extra purchase of a component cable instead.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:05:11 PM

Another PS3 price cut is around the corner I bet.

As for why the PS3 doesn't come with a HDMI cable...It's probably because Sony makes a killing on selling them individually. I think their cheapest one is $29.99. Though cheaper 3rd party HDMI cables can be found else where.

Last edited by Jawknee on 7/12/2011 10:06:25 PM

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:48:39 PM

Bet they come with an HDMI cable if this comes to pass...

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faraga
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 12:55:29 AM

I know a lot of recording devices only support component cables, thus people who want to record their games would be unable to do so if their PS3 only features HDMI out.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:09:56 AM

faraga,

While that's true, there is zero obligation on console makers to support such recording, in fact they are under contractual obligations to protect HD content on BluRay from being copied. Either way, the ability to record the HD output from a console is neither a feature, nor a right, and certainly not something covered by the warranty on the system. So, although people do it, Sony has no reason to continue to provide hardware capable of it.

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LimitedVertigo
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 2:28:18 AM

I recently had the HDMI port go bad in the PS3 I use in my bedroom so I currently have it hooked up via Component cables.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:40:40 AM

Bad HDMI port? Sounds like a repair issue - if it's still under warranty. My Son's PS3 defaults to 480p for anything over HDMI. I think it's no longer doing the HDCP checking correctly and so it defaults down to 480p instead of allowing the higher resolutions.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:11:38 PM
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Couldn't Sony just bundle an HDMI in with the new PS3's so this outrage would be near eliminated?

It doesn't really affect me either way. Were Blu Ray movies able to play back in 1080p with component anyway? Last I knew, 1080i/720p were component's limit.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:28:23 PM

They could and probably should but as I said above, I suspect they would rather get people to go out and buy their expensive cables instead.

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Cesar_ser_4
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:29:16 PM

it really depends on the tv. I was able to pull off 1080p with a component cable on my tv

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:48:16 PM

Well, perhaps but the components needed to drive the analog composite and component video outputs will be absent, saving some cost, some space on the motherboard and consuming less power overall. Sounds more like a cost saving all round to me.

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main_event05
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:26:59 PM
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While everyone is focused on the rumor. Lets focus where the rumor came from?

This is the site that when the PSN was down they tagged every article that dealt with the PS3 with "It only does offline".

'nuff said

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:31:43 PM

Indeed.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 12:17:02 AM

Oh, if Kotaku can find a way to toss Sony down the stairs and get a lot of traffic in the process, they'll do it.

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Eld
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:30:15 PM
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I guess they are trying to prevent recording of hd output through component cables.

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LittleBigMidget
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:30:30 PM
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Yay for feature removal

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:45:19 PM

Not sure I'd bother to count this as a feature when it comes to feature removal since it in no way affects the operation of the console or it's ability to play any media currently compatible with the unit. The sole impact of this is to require an HDTV, and most people (vast majority) with a PS3 are using a screen with an HDMI input, and this is not an issue. Particularly if it helps make the PS3 less expensive to build, and therefore less expensive to buy.

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iwillbetheone
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:33:39 PM
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Though it doesn't affect most gamers, it does affect those in the developing countries, which is a great potential market. The PS2 is still selling strong in these markets, and the 10 year lifespan of a playstation console depends on these markets, as they are generaly late adopters, and thus give Sony a reason to manufacture consoles even after so many years after launch at a time when no one gives a shit about that console in developed places like US, UK, etc. So, that may hurt them a LITTLE there.

But I read this is done due to a new policy regarding viewing of HD media only via a digital medium, so they are in that case justified in their action, as long as they keep the comoponent cable for sub-HD viewing.

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Milonakis
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:40:47 PM
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my tv only has component input. It's due to be replaced but why the hell would they remove that?

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TheCrazyMerc
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:42:41 PM
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Why would they discontinue it anyway, do they just want people to use HDMI cables, because I still use my component cable. :/

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:42:51 PM
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*sigh*
Cue the pointless outrage and self-satisfied "told you so" t-shirts. Tell you what guys, let's hold the party for now.

If you go and look at TV sales over the last 6 or so years, sales of CRT TVs have collapsed through the floor. I mean literally they are disappearing faster than VHS players. The default option for an HD console is an HD screen. If Sony include an HDMI cable with this, I can't honestly see how it makes a hill of beans difference to 99.5% (at a quick guess) of the potential buyers (cue the 3 people reading this with a CRT TV that will self righteously claim they might have wanted to).

Seriously, Sony wants to cut the cost of the PS3, so they can cut out the old video circuitry used for composite and component outputs and concentrate purely on the HDMI. Saves cost, complexity and reduces the number of analog components on the motherboard - saving power and heat - not a lot I'll admit, but still it is some. If this kind of move allows the PS3 to drop in price to $249.99 or lower, is there really a big issue here?

I don't honestly think this has anything to do with security or copy protection or anything of that nature. This is purely a case of streamlining the design to reflect the realities of an HD console selling to a market thoroughly dominated by HDTVs.

However, those who are looking for a reason to complain, you will complani, and those not looking will go "meh" and the rest of the world will look forward to cheaper PS3s.

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Jawknee
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:45:15 PM

You think this new model that Sony is set to release is going to look different than the current Slims? Slimmer maybe?

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:46:39 PM

Possibly, the unit uses less power, according to reports it's 20-30 watts lighter on the juice than the previous slim. That said, I also read that the upcoming SKU won't have different physical dimensions but will be lighter. So even if it's not physically smaller, it will feel less big because it's lighter.

Last edited by Highlander on 7/12/2011 10:47:05 PM

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faraga
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:06:05 AM

I personally know a lot of people who still play video games in CRT TV's. Though the sales of them may be sub-zero, you're forgetting that the install base of them is still huge. I, for instance, just made the jump from CRT to LCD a month ago, because I didn't have enough money for it before.

Thus for people who still have a CRT TV today and want to play PS3, they can't with the newer models.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:12:53 AM

faraga,

Indeed. But since the price of new 20-odd inch HDTVs has dropped quickly and continues to fall (I've even seen brand name 32-inch TVs for under $300); the cost of entry into the HDTV market is almost at the same point that entry into the non-portable CRT TV market was 5 -7 years ago. Times change, and Sony is changing with the times. Perhaps this will provide an incentive to some to make the leap to the newer TVs?

Last edited by Highlander on 7/13/2011 1:13:25 AM

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 6:54:24 AM

Case in point: my 26" 720p/1080i CRT cost $500 in 2006. I just replaced it with a (used) 32" 720p/1080i LCD. If the LCD were new, it would cost about the same as the CRT did ($448 to $649, depending on the exact model, most of which are 1080p).

My model comes with an integrated 5.1 sound system, so it's around $1000 new.

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Doppel
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 10:43:14 PM
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I use Component Out for Youtube Recording, but that's about it.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:00:03 PM
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The good news is if you use that component HD cable with your PS2 you can get better graphics out of it :)

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Warrior Poet
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:01:14 PM
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I have an older HDTV that supports 1080i, but came out before HDMI became common. I'm fine with this happening as long as they don't disable the feature on older consoles (and why would they?) But then, I still use my VCR too :P

The HD component out does have some other uses (like HD game reviews) but I can see how it would also prevent Blu-Ray piracy to a small degree. But this alone could never result in a $50 price cut. Makes me wonder what other hardware revisions are going on, since Sony is already selling the console at a loss.

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:10:38 PM

Not on it's own, no. But as part of an overall package of shrinking component count and removing things that are largely unnecessary it all mounts up to lower power consumption, lower component count, smaller motherboard, less heat smaller heatsink, lower manufacturing costs, lower shipping costs, lower price.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:18:12 AM

Only issue you could have is if your PS3 breaks down, like mine has. If they have stock of "older model" mother boards then you would probably get your board replaced (if that is what is wrong with it).

Usually these motherboards are refurbished ones, and the same red blinking light of death can resurface. Sony Singapore told me they will only guarantee the repairs for 3 months and they mentioned they will simply swap out the current faulty motherboard with a refurbished one of the same model type.

If after a number of years they run out of such boards, they may simply swap your entire PS3 model for a "newer" refurbished model that does not have the composite out as you have now.

Either way, with the passage of time, if your older unit breaks down, it may be difficult to get replaced by the same model type.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:42:01 AM

Sony US does a total unit replacement with a refurb. The thing is, unless the motherboard is toast, it's usually a reflow, or a fried GPU. Sony can factory refurb the board with a good reflow and/or possibly replacing the GPU. Although some third parties will do the reflow, I'm not aware of any that attempt the GPU replacement - but Sony might. Eithe way, it could mean that they can continue to recycle the same model refurbs for some time. Plus they offer attractive terms to take a refurb'd slim instead of a refurb'd phat which is no doubt extending their supply of phat replacements.

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Warrior Poet
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 9:30:46 PM

I have one of the b/c models and my ps2 broke, so I'd take the phat if it ever did break down. But Sony hardware is built pretty well so I'm not too worried about it breaking down. The PS1 still works fine :)

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BTNwarrior
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:08:49 PM
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so about 10 people who haven't adopted a hd gaming system and bought an hd tv the year they came out when some of them didn't have hdmi will be affected

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:11:33 PM

I have to admit my first thought was

Oh, an HD gaming system will require an HD display - what a shocking surprise...LOL!

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gray_eagle
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:16:18 PM
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this could hurt sony, if i have an older tv with no hdmi connection and i'm in the market for a game console. the choice will be easy, xbox 360.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 12:35:37 AM

No offense, but I suspect that the financial argument would go something like this;

If you have an older TV and can't afford the $250 for a new one, how many new games are you going to be buying anyway?

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tes37
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:29:05 PM
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I can't believe another seldom used feature is being removed. It sucks for the people that don't have $5 for a cable.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:46:07 PM
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HDMI cables are super cheap if you know where to look for them.

I picked up 10' color coded cables for less than $5 each at MonopriceDOTcom, the cable superstore.

Also if you subscribe to the DailyStealsDOTcom newsletter that comes out a few minutes after midnight, they run 24-hour deals(or until stock's all sold) on 4 different items every day, & they've had deals on gold-tipped 6' cables for $1 each.

And once they even ran a "free" deal on them along with their special "free shipping Fridays" too, making their cost, $0 for 4 cables shipped.

Last edited by BikerSaint on 7/12/2011 11:47:10 PM

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Russell Burrows
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:55:26 PM
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Yawn.

Notices S-video going from dvd players, phono in gone from receivers, component in going from some receivers.

Folks can pony up three hundred dollars for a game console but are unable to buy three dollar hdmi cables??

LOL!.

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 @ 11:57:57 PM
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Sony should just remove the a/v inputs instead, keep everything that's related to HD. These days, who plays their PS3 on a old analog TV.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 12:11:57 AM

I know more people who use the av cables than I do people who use component. Also the av cables can be used for audio with a sound system if it doesn't support optical out.

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:20:09 AM

Don't know if this is true or not, but do Sony want to remove the "optical out" or not. If not, but they want to remove the AV, then from an audio perspective that could be an issue for some people...

Will be interesting to see if there is a back lash or not...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:43:24 AM

Since they will not be disabling the features in existing consoles, it's hard to see where the source of a backlash could really be - except the fanboy ranks of N4G, IGN or Kotaku.

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 12:04:19 PM

I suppose so, what if your TV speakers stops working guess you have to rely on externel equipment.

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gray_eagle
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 12:53:34 AM
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@TheHighlander
lol but, but, but, a game costs less. :)

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:10:35 AM

I know, and I'm not arguing that - but I *know* that the folks in charge of selling consoles and HD screens would.

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Bloodysilence19
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:19:35 AM
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It probably just rumor since it is coming from Kotaku but like someone posted already AACS is making a license where all bluray players must be limited to analog video output and only support hdmi. here the link to one article talking about it

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/term.cfm/aacs_final_adopter_agreement

If people are looking for hdmi cable don't buy them in stores their complete ripoff. Go on amazaon they have great hdmi cables for good prices and I recommend getting Mediabridge Ultra Series had them for 2 years still working great.

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___________
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 4:17:36 AM
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ps3, it only does removing features YOU PAID FOR!
why does this not surprise me one bit?

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RadioHeader
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 5:12:11 AM

Why doesn't it surprise you one bit?

Because it's in compliance with a new law concerning blu-ray devices, and you're smart enough to realise that. Kudos to you!

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The Doom
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 9:50:45 AM

trollolololol :)

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 10:46:51 AM

Camp down George Cantstandya, they arent removing a feature YOU paid for. They are only moving it from new models which you obviously haven't bought.

Foolishness.

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nath08
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 5:44:28 AM
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What's the big deal, I mean. These people can surely afford to pay for a HDMI cable if they can afford the Playstation its self. Along with the games, movies and more than likely the broadband. Cheapo's

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Excelsior1
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 6:12:37 AM

any move that limits consumers options i'm against. what about people who have older tv's? i guess no ps3 for them. bad news for sony.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 10:47:18 AM

They can still use AV cables.

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gray_eagle
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 6:08:16 AM
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@TheHighlander
i was just being a smart a$$, or trying to

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Temjin001
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 6:42:36 AM

Hey there sharp shooter, why don't ya take aim at the reply button on the conversations you originally start ;)

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Ray186
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 7:25:02 AM
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Sony does not have a choice in the matter.

All new players sold after December 31, 2010 "must limit analog video output of BD content to interlaced standard definition (480i/576i). Then, 2013 is the expiration date for analog video: no player that passes "Decrypted AACS Content" to analog video outputs may be manufactured or sold after December 31, 2013," says Blu-ray.com.

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/term.cfm/aacs_final_adopter_agreement

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slugga_status
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 9:04:58 AM
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It's a must so it is what it is. I still use my component cable for the ps3..but that's primarily b/c my digital cable is using my HDMI. People shouldn't panic...there are tons of places where you can get HDMI cables that aren't very expensive. HDMI provides a sharper picture and sound quality..

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The Doom
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 9:53:06 AM
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Apparently this only affect Blu-ray movies. The games themselves won't be changed.

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PS3addict
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 10:17:34 AM
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My problem is that this will require me to get a new stereo. I run the dual audio feature so the HDMI goes to the TV and the analog to the Stereo (No HDMI connection). Wont the wife be pleased!!

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 10:48:27 AM

You can use the AV cables that came with the PS3. No need to get a new stereo.

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Highlander
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:43:38 AM

It only requires anything like that if you get a new PS3 once this rumored design change makes it's way into retail units.

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gumbi
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:20:26 PM

I do the same thing, and you should be fine. This is only for HD video output. The rumour says they're changing it to HDMI only for HD video out. They said nothing about removing the Composite AV option for SD viewing/listening.

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PS3addict
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 7:10:55 PM

Shh Highlander, you are a blow it... If she thinks the PS3 really does need the HDMI cable for the stereo... 7.1 here I come!

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Zorigo
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 10:31:01 AM
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Im confused, what exactly theyre doing... someone wanna explain in leymans terms?

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jimmyhandsome
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:09:01 AM

It sounds like they're eliminating future PS3 models from supporting component cables. Component cables can are capable of carrying HDTV/Games signals, however the sound usually sucks, and depending on the game, you won't really experience full HD.

Up until recently when I bought a new LED TV, I was using component cables for both my PS3 and 360 because the HDMI outlets on my crappy LCD tv were fried (btw there is a HUGE difference with certain games). This may or may not even be a big deal, I'm guessing most people who purchase a PS3 already have HD TVs anyway

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sha4dowknight05
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:17:38 AM
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uh no.... this is not happening?

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AnonymousPoster
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 11:37:38 AM
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I'll tell you one person who isn't happy about this: Me.

I still use component cables regularly, and I'll tell you why. I have a video channel over at Justin(dot)tv, where I play games and chat with people. PC capture cards have DRM protection built-in over HDMI (thanks again, Hollywood), so I must use component, since it won't capture my PS3 performing /ANY/ function with HDMI. And I'm sure that that is what this new BS requirement is all about: Hollywood forcing DRM on a small subset of people with capture cards, to no purpose, since the pirates they're worried about can simply rip movies from the BD in the first place.

I guess I know what models to buy now, if my launch PS3 ever goes bad.

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Gone
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:28:04 PM
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Joystiq - "The new CECH-3000 series PS3 requires HDMI only for BD movie output in HD, in compliance with AACS standards," Sony told Ars Technica. "PS3 continues to support component output for HD gaming and streaming content." The restriction is just on high-definition video from Blu-Ray discs. So this isn't a cost-cutting measure like the removal of PS2 hardware -- it's to conform to the Advanced Access Content System, a standard for DRM developed by a consortium of media companies including ... Sony. The standard requires that devices restrict analog outputs to 960 x 540 to prevent recording from analog capture devices.

The strange part, then, is that the PS3 ever supported HD Blu-ray playback through component. Digital Foundry speculates that the rule didn't kick in officially until the AACS Final Adopter Agreement in December 2010, and thus only affects PS3s produced after then. That would mean that Sony (and pretty much every other electronics company) skirted its own rule for as long as possible."

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Bloodysilence19
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 @ 1:29:54 PM
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according to ign Scea Pr Manger Al De Leon said this

"The reports aren't accurate," "The new CECH-3000 series PS3 requires HDMI only for BD movie output in HD, in compliance with AACS standards. PS3 continues to support component output for HD gaming and streaming content."

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