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"If You're Not A Fan Of Multiplayer, You're No Gamer"

It's not the conversation I ever expected to have. But it only reminded me how much things have changed.

Anonymous Moron: "Wait...so you don't ever play multiplayer?"

Me: "No, I do when I have to. Like for reviews. But no, very rarely do I do it for fun."

Anonymous Moron: "...who the hell even lets you review games if you're not a gamer?"

Boy, I must've missed a meeting. I've been playing games for 27 years and now I'm being squeezed out of the group? I have to hand back my gamer card? I don't qualify because I'm not part of the mainstream? You will notice we weren't referring to any one particular game in that brief conversation; it was just online multiplayer in general. Things like this always make me worry about the future of the industry but developers will always say single-player campaigns can't possibly die out.

However, this got me thinking: the single-player and multiplayer elements of a game are often very different (although it stands to reason that if one is great, the other will be great, too). I mean, we see entire development teams for big-budget projects dedicated to one or the other...might critics and game reviewing sources soon have to take a similar approach? I.e., one person to review the single-player and another to handle the multiplayer? I admit, I find it difficult to give both the attention they deserve. There are only 24 hours in the day.

But I had never expected someone to say I'm not a gamer because I don't play online. That's a new one. But I suppose there are people out there who aren't surprised at all; the same people who ignore all campaigns and care exclusively about multiplayer experiences. Evidently, they're in the majority. ...either that, or this guy is just a colossal douchebag.

Tags: video games, game culture, gaming industry

7/26/2011 9:07:36 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (152 posts)

Geobaldi
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 9:42:50 PM
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For me multiplayer is more of an option than a requirement. I prefer playing solo but there are times when I do like to play with other folks online: MMO's, RTS, and some shooters. I much prefer the old days when multiplayer meant you and some friends would sit around the tv, each with a controller, all sharing a split screen. But those days are pretty much gone now as most games require that everybody own their own copy to play with other people.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 9:29:16 AM

Excellent post. Anti-Social gaming is the way to go sometimes!!

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Qubex
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 10:39:26 AM

"For me multiplayer is more of an option than a requirement..." - indeed Garibaldi, indeed...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Gravelight
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 3:29:26 PM

I agree with Geobaldi, online is just extra gameplay. A long time ago there was no internet and people played on their consoles at home or at the arcade. It's not a necessity and definitly doesn't make you a non-gamer if you don't play online. Someone's comment was kinda dumb...

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PasteNuggs
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 9:44:10 PM
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No Ben, your right, that guy is just a super douchebag. I will voluntarily hand over my gamer card if there are no stories in games. That being said, it will never come to that. Not with the likes of Naughty Dog, Quantic Dream and Hideo Kojima around.

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 9:53:51 PM

Quantic Dream and Hideo Kojima?? The guys that have put out ONE game each in the past FIVE years? Those guys? I'm all for stories too but come on, those two aren't saving the medium.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:19:50 PM

I'll take one really great SP experience over 5 half assed storyless patchworks that are really aimed at multiplayer fans.

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PasteNuggs
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:30:36 PM

It doesn't change the fact that they are great storytellers. Just because they have longer dev cycles doesn't mean they are taking anything from the medium. Also, QD is very much helping the medium by pushing how a story can be told. How much emotion can be displayed in games.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:18:27 PM

@PasteNuggs
Thumbs up for you, friend! Lovely reply.

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maxpontiac
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 9:28:34 AM

Alienange -

That should tell you something if QD and HK can only put out one game in five years and have that big of an impact.

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playaplus
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 9:49:16 PM
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multiplayer is there...I play alone most of the time...or when friends are over...sadly not enough games have online co-op or offline racing...thankfully fighting games do have offline multiplayer so we still crowd around a tv. a gamer doesnt have to play multiplayer imo

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 9:50:28 PM
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Colossal douchebag. Multiplayer is here and it's a form of gaming, but saying those who don't mp aren't gamers is not only ignorant it pretty much proves HE'S not a gamer.

Take a good hard look at mp. Devs are dying to figure out why some games have extremely popular mp while others are ignored. The thing is, mp itself is still in its infancy. Devs are still trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.

So to say you have to mp to be a real gamer is not only ignorance, it's proof that you don't play enough games to know what gaming is.

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dmiitrie
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 9:57:20 PM
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I guess I'm not a gamer either. Wish somebody could have told me that back in the late '80s so I wouldn't have wasted so much time on a hobby of which I, apparently, don't partake.

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hellish_devil
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:01:01 PM
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That guy has the COD disease.

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:06:58 PM

I don't know... I think he's just stupid.

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StangMan80
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:43:04 PM

yeah @ Alienange That's why he has the COD disease.

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johnld
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:43:30 PM

you gotta admit though, its kinda hard to tell those two apart, hahaha.

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SSRGohan
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:02:48 PM
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don't listen to those fools Ben, I have been very busy last couple of months and i haven't played multiplayer games in a little while, does that make me a non-gamer?? i don't think so, another thing too is that line between single-coop-multiplayer is getting thiner and thiner every year.

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Riku994
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:02:53 PM
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Collosal is an understatement. I don't always agree with everything on this site, but I know when something is total BS. I respect people's opinions but saying someone isn't a gamer because they don't play online is just dumb. If you say I'm not a gamer because I only own PS3, that's all fine and dandy but you're still wrong. (I do own more than that btw, I just play my PS3 most often.)This guy is entitled to his opinion by all means but that doesn't make him right
A gamer (whether hardcore or casual) is defined by traits like playing the games you like in the style you like and having fun doing it. By no means should anyone feel like they're being "squeezed out of the group." How does this guy feel about games with no multiplayer?
I won't lie, I DO enjoy multiplayer. I play Uncharted, Demon's Souls, Guitar Hero, ModNation Racers, and more games online, but by no means would I be absolutely devastated by the inability to do so. The single player experience is what gaming was founded on. If you play nothing but online, you are more than likely a casual gamer. And this being probably the longest comment I've ever written on this site, I'm gunna leave it at this: Don't even consider him to be right Ben, he has no idea what he's talking about.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:19:12 PM

Thanks. Personally, I just define a hardcore gamer as someone who says video games are their #1 hobby. They just have to love games; that's all. I don't put a time or genre requirement on them.

.....well, unless they only play the same type of game over and over.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:24:43 AM

Yeah Ben, that's what I believe I said it was too.

However I consider multiplayer a genre in itself. Does that mean I'm saying what I think I'm saying? :0
I mean, it's like people who play strictly play solo, are kinda like people who play COD..bear with me :P

Because, if they're not willing to go give multiplayer a try (and I know for a fact some people on this site haven't) then what seperates them from the COD addicts? They're both not willing to try another genre. Which in my books doesn't make them a proper gamer. So I think your little douchebag does have a point :)

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drortego
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 7:06:45 AM

I don't play alot of multiplayer with a room full of people. If I play multiplayer it's usually with a buddy and we'll play rock band or borderlands. I just don't see the appeal of hearing foolish annoying chatter as you're playing (I'll mute the room on any chance I get). Also, I'm not a teenager anymore with 8-10 hours after I get home from school to waste away on anything I please. So the few times I do try out the multiplayer aspect of say COD, I get killed almost instantly because some people live in there. Zero fun factor for me so I'll just stick to my single player campaigns thank you. Save multiplayer for visiting my buddies house passing the controller

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Teddie9
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:31:51 AM

yeah if anything you're even more qualified than all the other nonsense reviewers out there. By far my favourite at that.

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Danny007
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:08:33 PM
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First off, I would love to me meet this fool, just so I could laugh at him. I rarely play multiplayer, yet I buy at least one or two new games every month, maybe more. I am definetly a gamer, though. Its my favorite hobby and one that I'll never get tired of.

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Claire C
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:08:47 PM
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Gamestop employee?

Random person at Starbucks?

What was your reply to his last comment? o.O

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sirbob6
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:07:59 AM

A face palm perhaps or maybe Ben started to look for a tree...

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Alienange
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:10:44 PM
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Although I've got to say, maybe you SHOULD let someone else review the mp portion of a game seeing as how it's not a true expertise of yours. Let's face it, MoH's mp was utter crap and you didn't warn us.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:20:09 PM

No, I didn't. And that's a good example.

Like I said, it's a valid question. I DO try to be as accurate and helpful in all reviews, but clearly, times are changing. Times HAVE changed.

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iwillbetheone
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:17:58 PM

Why so many down votes? That was a good point.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:21:19 PM

I didn't up or downvote him, as I neither agree nor disagree, but merely find his comment interesting. (See, I've never played MoH. lol)

It's a good point, but perhaps it just means the downvoters liked the Multiplayer, perhaps. Never know. Downvotes don't mean it's a bad post, necessarily.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:27:30 AM

It kinda gets you down though.. admit guys it does LOL. Especially when everyone is being mean and gives you tons of them..xD

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 8:08:06 AM

Unless you're like _____, who gets them as general practice, or Beamboom who just loves playing devil's advocate ;P, anytime I've ever gotten a ton of downvotes are during a controversial issue where everyone on both sides of an argument are bound to get a bunch of downvotes.

In those cases, it doesn't bother me at all. Only on one, possibly 2 occasions, have I ever paid it any heed. And that's usually like 1 upvote to 10 downvotes. In those instances, I might actually re-evaluate what I've said.

As a rule, though, I pay more attention to upvotes than downvotes. A personality thing, perhaps. ;)

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 10:54:06 PM

Down votes sometimes just reflect a difference of opinion / perspective. They're also apparently also sometimes caused by bots. Don't take them personally.

It is occasionally perplexing why you got a down vote when you didn't really offer an opinion.

I also don't understand why people down-vote corrections. Do they relish errors? It must be the work of The Eye Of Moron.


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La_Bete12
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:16:03 PM
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I rarely if ever play multiplayer for multiple reasons, and the huge increase in CoD/other FPS gamers is really saddening. What happened to the good ol' days when stories and plots and character development were more important then Hit Ratios and Kill Counts and all that stuff?

I'm sorry, but if it gets to a point where I'm forced to play multiplayer, I'm gonna stop playing altogether. There are way too many disrespectful, immature gamers online nowadays, it's just disgusting sometimes...

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Palpatations911
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:22:51 PM

Wow you make it sound like we've all been enjoying steven king books for years and now all we get is highlights magazine?

Since when has gaming become a consistent source of story telling and character development?

There is a couple games periodically that actually have an interesting story line..Your mass effects, heavy rains, etc...most games (INCLUDING MGS SERIES) are convoluted and boring for most (very difficult to know what is going on).

I think gaming can be what you mentioned, but just like in the movies or in the books, not every title is going to be epic. You have your tops and you have your bottoms. For every mass effect 2 there is a two worlds 2.

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La_Bete12
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:33:57 PM

I'm just saying that the interest in plots and character development is greatly dropping. Just look at the sales, what is constantly topping the charts? Halo and CoD. I know a lot of people in my school who spend hours on end playing pointless shooters. IMO, games where multiplayer is the main focus are a waste of money. I like campaigns and stories and good AI systems.
I remember back in the PS2/gamecube days where games focused on single player and split screen.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:24:38 PM

I'm just trying to figure out how a story like MGS you can't follow well means it's boring or poorly written... I've never been into MGS, as I missed that bandwagon, but based on what I've heard from other respected members here, I find it extremely hard to believe from you it could be a boring experience...

Actually, makes you wonder what I might assume about you when you say you can't follow the story well. lol

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FatherSun
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:26:27 AM

@ A Capella, I wouldn't go so far as to call those games pointless. They are actually fulfilling their mission. Ultimately the players are ENTERTAINED. That is what it's all about isn't it? It's not for everybody though. Run, Gun, Die, Rinse Repeat! I can mess around in that environment for a few but I enjoy my single player experiences most.

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 3:54:34 AM

@Palpatations911

Thats a great way to put it and thats exactly how I feel. When I 1st started gaming, almost all the huge title and even most of the sleepers had decent stories with a few games on the lacking side, now seems the trend is reversed with storyless games overtaking the market. and to see people defend said games so militantly is just sickening.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 7:00:04 AM

How is it someone can't follow the story in MGS? That's new to me. Either you don't like the game, or you didn't pay any attention at all.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:01:23 PM

@Palpatations911

Your point is somewhat valid, despite singling out MGS, but....

Steven King is your example of *good* writing?

You need to read more.

No hate for King intended, but he's hardly top-notch.

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Underdog15
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 8:53:48 AM

lol, Fane, I didn't even notice he said that about Stephen King. Read too fast...

Oh dear....

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pillz81
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 11:11:08 AM

Some people are just unable to grasp the storylines of MGS games.
You do not wanna know what I think of people who couldn't understand MGS or think it is boring.

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Palpatations911
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:16:46 PM
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Ok we know you don't like multiplayer. What was the point of this article?

Your reviews would be more effective if you didn't let everyone know you don't enjoy playing games socially because your reviews will not be fair.

You gave dungeon siege 3 a positive review and didn't even review the multiplayer aspect which is what turned out to be the most important part of the game for most players, and that aspect was severely lacking. I do enjoy reading the site but this article makes it clear you have a predisposition towards the multiplayer aspect of games.



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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:23:09 PM

Considering the fact that you basically signed up to bash my Dungeon Siege III review - and continue to do so at every turn, with nothing else to add to any conversation - I would suggest just shutting up. Of course I reviewed the multiplayer; you just didn't like that I said it was fine.

I don't even know how DSIII pertains to this article, and I don't appreciate the insinuation that I invented the whole thing. Don't respond again unless it's to say something worthwhile or apologize.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:28:56 PM

Just my impression: The article is meant to draw attention to the gaming landscape, which is shifting in favor of stuff that most people over 25 aren't particularly interested in. As this is a gaming site, analysis of the gaming landscape falls within the acceptability range for publication in my mind.

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PasteNuggs
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:35:09 PM

@World

Spoken like a true writer. Not that I disagree in the slightest :)

Also, I'm not yet 25 and have barely any interest in MP

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johnld
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:41:26 PM

"the multiplayer aspect which is what turned out to be the most important part of the game for most players"

Wow, the multiplayer aspect should never be the most important part of a game unless it really doesnt have single player. Thinking like that got us rehashed COD after COD. In my opinion, if you need to have a multiplayer session to have the best experience in a game, you cant really be immersed in the game's world. i prefer to play campaigns single player so i can loose myself in the game. having someone else wandering around is just going to be a distraction to me.

wait..... are you the same person ben was talking to in the article?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:42:10 PM

World: Get out of town. That's just WAY too practical. That's not inflammatory at all...how BORING.

;)

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Palpatations911
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:12:14 PM

I apologize if my asking what the point of your article was perceived as "bashing", but quite honestly I did not see the point of your article other than to rant about a conversation you had regarding multiplayer games. As your audience we received no news, no updates, no reviews, no previews, nothing related to any specific sony products (your website is named psxextreme.com). One could wishfully think that the quote in the title of this article came from someone in the gaming industry...If John Carmack or anybody significant in the gaming industry said that and had reasons behind it, then it *could* have been an interesting read, but alas, it was some "Anonymous moron", so who cares what they think? Your anonymous moron could be a 12 year old at Dave and Busters for all we know, or were you just stereotyping people who thinks drawn out single player games are stupid, the same way you feel about multiplayer games? Pot, kettle, black; If that is the case. Dude, we live in a recession right now and people are looking to cut costs and finding a hobby that can engulf your time is a great idea. You have to have $$$ to be able to only play single player games and keep a steady stock incoming because once you finish the main storyline there is little reason to continue playing. Most single player games are approximately 10-12 hours, neglecting games like Oblivion, Dragon Age, etc. A solid multiplayer game can provide hundreds, if not thousands of gaming hours if you truly enjoy the game. I prefer a great MP game over single player and most single player games I play I do not finish with a few exceptions for high quality games. I would never provide an effective review on a game when I completely skip the single player portion.

Feedback is a gift, bashing is mean spirited.

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Palpatations911
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:20:21 PM

I mentioned DS 3 because in your article above, you stated " I admit, I find it difficult to give both the attention they deserve. There are only 24 hours in the day."

So you left out key elements in your ds 3 review and as alienage said, you also left them out in the medal of honor review so I guess I am agreeing with you and think someone who can appreciate multiplayer gaming should review every game that has a multiplayer aspect so it can receive the proper attention that it deserves.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:27:04 PM

Boy, am I ever glad I didn't sit next to Palpatations in math class when learning about proofs and logic....

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:18:02 AM

Whatever. You can think the "hundreds of hours" multiplayer gaming provides is everyone's preference. Then there's some random nonsense that implies people are idiots if they pay $60 for a 10-12 hour game. If you're not even going to consider the fact that your precious multiplayer is all about OPINION, don't bother to post. I can't stand people posting their opinions as fact.

You're just butt-hurt that I called multiplayer gaming into question and took it upon yourself to insult me. If you want an explanation as to what this piece is about, read World's post above. Notice how basically everyone else understands the article for what it is?

I'm sorry if you can't figure it out. But I won't reply to more of your assumptions and rhetoric.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:21:27 AM

There's lots of news, previews, and reviews here at PSXextreme. There is also editorial content and personal experience with the gaming world. We aren't afraid of that here; if you want straight up news that isn't provided in an entertaining format or thought provoking in the slightest you can head on over to PSU where nobody from the team will even see your post.

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 8:25:53 AM

And it's the editorial content that I tend to enjoy most. Ignore these comments, Ben.

Also, for what it's worth, it was Ben's DSIII review that convinced me to pick it up, and it has quickly become my wife's favorite game of the generation. We've been playing couch co-op for days and will very likely play through it multiple times to see all the different endings and conversation combinations. And we would have missed out on the fun if Ben had been as hypercritical as other reviewers. The man does a damn fine job!

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AssassinSteel
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:17:03 PM
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Wow, im no gamer then either. The last game i played online like it was my job was socom 2 and 3, played a little COD 1 online but got bored pretty quick. And on top of that, with the exception of any classoc systems i own, i only have Sony consoles. LOL that guy is a moron, ive been a gamer for over 15 years and have loved my hobby. People like him have no idea what he is missing if he only playes online. I know im missing a lot by being mostly single player but thats just what i like to do most.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:17:29 PM
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Eh, I say if they don't want to consider you a "gamer" after 27 years of playing games, even if mostly offline, then who gives a crap about what they want to identify you as.
With all the many game types out there I think it's hard to be a jack of all trades in gaming. Something, somewhere has got to slide. And online gaming in my experience is more about keeping points and playing competitively, rarely are those games offering the same type of gaming experience. I find single player oriented games generally to be much more content driven as part of the art of interactivity and directing emotional response for an intended purpose.

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Shiva369
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:25:55 PM
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My only mp experience of late has been Demons' Souls (if you can call it mp), which I thought was a really great use of online functionality in a game. Other than that, it's strictly local mp with the kids on LBP, Rag Doll Kung Fu etc.
I played MAG for a bit, but the whole run n gun thing gets old soon for me. So add me to our douchebag friend's list of not real gamers lol.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:36:01 PM

DS didn't get enough credit for its unique network experience. I mean yeah the game got great reviews but that aspect didn't get a lot of attention.

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FM23
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:46:17 PM

Demons Souls...one of the best games of the PS3. And that online feature was great...best way to experience it. Of course it didn't get the credit, but when CoD eventually copies it...CoD will be crowned the genius behind this genius online function...oh the irony of biased media outlets.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:35:08 AM

Is your Avatar from MOEBIUS Graphic Novels? Pure Genius!!! Gonna have to dig in the crates now! INCAL!

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Shiva369
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:29:25 AM

Imagine playing an FPS on one of the harder difficulties and all of a sudden a few of the enemies are "taken over" by real people dropping in on your game, Black Phantom style? Insane.
Yep, FATHASUN, that's a Moebius, well spotted. He is a genius, for sure. I've got the Incal series and have a flick thru now and then...quite an out there imagination coupled with amazing talent.


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Clamedeus
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 7:18:01 AM

Demon's Souls is one of my personal favorite games. I thought the multiplayer mechanic was pretty unique it worked pretty good. It's always a thrill ride when someone invades the world you are in, and trying to figure out where both of you are, what weapon he/she is using, what tactics might he/she use in battle.

It's just awesome, love the difficulty in the game of the bosses and when you beat the game. Although if you played a lot and never gave up, it's pretty easy once you get the hang of how everything works what weapons to use and the right gear to wear that will make the game a walk in the park. The most difficult will be the invaders though. :p

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allDFlavors
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:36:57 PM
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Sigh... that is just a soul-crushingly terrifying statement

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AcHiLLiA
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:38:48 PM
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Something tells me this Anonymous Moron or whoever never played any video game systems back in the 80's.

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FM23
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:51:23 PM

I never played games back in the 80's since I'm only 23, but even so...if someone said this too me...I wouldn't care the least...I just said you like one side of gaming, I prefer the other.

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 7:38:11 AM

I'm 23 as well, my father owned an Atari 2600 played it when I was little but I barely remember it though it's all fuzzy.

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pillz81
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 11:24:14 AM

The only multiplayer I have played was when I would visit my friend's house after school to play NES, SNES, GENESIS AND PLAYSTATION games or play Captain America and the Avengers, Street Fighter II, King of Fighters, and then Marvel Vs Capcom 2 in the arcades with whoever would be there.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:48:26 PM
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I think it's like a cultural thing. Currently MP is popular for a few very modern day reasons.

- You can be an anonymous horrible person like you can on the internet.

- People who are afflicted with short attention spans due to internet culture get addicted to tiny rewards for who twitches fastest.

- It gives the socially inept a chance to do something with people without ever leaving the house.

- And finally, it has the illusion of substance.

Remember, these are the same people who think a 5 hour campaign is a very long chore not worth doing. Who is the real gamer here? I think the old goats like us know.

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FM23
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:53:02 PM

LMAO...great post.

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TheAgingHipster
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:00:10 PM

Preach it.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:05:15 PM

Twitches fastest! Twitches fastest! TWITCHES fastest!

...man, that's surprisingly hard to type faster and faster. Try it. It's like all left hand.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:13:19 PM

World,
If you consider yourself an old goat at 30, then at 58, I must be a frigging Matterhorn by now. LOL

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Underdog15
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:29:27 PM

@Biker
Maybe we should get your Dualshock 3 a walker! XD

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:37:41 PM

Biker, I'm sorry my friend but in the world of gaming, and if you started your console experience when and where I did you are considered pretty old school. (The early single digits and the Colecovision)

You, personally, are considered like a Sage or something :) You can at least enjoy being a gamer who isn't prodded by the lovers of current trends into trying to change your established ways.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:39:02 AM

SAGE! World... You are a funny Motherf..ker.. LOL...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:49:59 AM

Sahasrahla up in this piece :)

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:07:12 AM

damn world, I knew biker was a bit older but I thought you were closer to my age. 24ish.

and while on the subject, Ben, in the profile thing, i can't change the year of my birth from 1902.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:32:04 AM

Actually I'm 30 on Saturday, and I'm scared.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 6:57:31 AM

Don't be scared World. I'll be 30 the following Monday. We'll do it together. ;)

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Clamedeus
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 7:42:44 AM

Time goes by fast doesn't it? I'm 23 and I felt like it was in a blink of an eye.

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AcHiLLiA
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 10:23:55 AM

Matterhorn I loved that ride, hahaha.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 3:14:36 PM

You got it Jawknee, oldness will fear the great oldboys.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:14:30 PM

B-day boys: 30's not as bad as you think it will be. Just wait until you get to 40 and you realize you're probably past half-way to dead. ;D

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MadKatBebop
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:48:55 PM
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What? honestly for me, when it comes down to MP, if its not the BF games I don't care about MP at all almost, its all about the SP experience.

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Twistedfloyd
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:57:15 PM
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Yeah Ben you're right. I love multiplayer and singe player, but have been playing just a ton of the original Bioshock lately and Resistance 2's campaign. There's nothing like a great single player experience.

That guy's a di** though.

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Highlander
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:57:37 PM
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The guys sounds like a complete douchebag.

However, though I am not sure you have to hand back your gamer card if you're not a huge fan of multi-player, I do think you have to be at least neutral on the subject. What I mean is that there are numerous online aspects of games that make them - in a sense - multiplayer without the head to head aspect. Think of online leaderboards and such. Hell, even trophies themselves effectively make every game multi-player since you can measure your progress against others.

On the other hand, I don't think that you have to be a online multi-player fanatic that skips single player. I could just as easily say to Mr Douche Bag that he's not a true gamer if he doesn't play the living crap out of the single player campaign in a game. Being a gamer is about playing games, and playing them the way you want to. To me, the only element of what makes a true gamer is that the gamer must not be a genre specific game fan. What I mean is that a true gamer is not the kind of gamer that plays one game for years on end until the next version arrives, or sticks religiously to a single genre, never venturing out. Whether you play multi-player or single player is not relevant. But if you only play one kind of game ever, you are not a true gamer. The broader the net you cast, the truer your gamer status.

All that said, Ben, you have to give multiplayer some time to maintain the legitimacy of your reviews don't you?

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:07:13 PM

Of course. In fact, I'll spend just as much time with the multiplayer as I will with the single-player, depending on the game's focus.

And I do honestly believe that without multiplayer, the entire industry would take a big-time header tomorrow. We need it. We REALLY need it. And like some developers have said, such revenues allow single-player fans to get some great gems, too. I'd like to think all the monies go into the same development pot so all gamers eventually benefit. :)

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FatherSun
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:42:15 AM

A true gamer can make a GAME out of almost anything. Crunch up a piece of paper and toss it in a basket. Keep score and BOOM! Do it with another and there you have it. Multiplayer.

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TheAgingHipster
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 10:58:48 PM
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Ooh, I like this game. Let's see how many grossly ignorant comments we can make about hobbies and competiton!

1) You're not a car fan if you don't race.
2) You're not a [insert sport] fan if you don't play the game.
3) You're not a runner if you don't partake in marathons.
4) You're not a pilot if you don't do aeronautic competitions.
5) You're not a sailor if you don't do speed challenges.
6) You're not a dog lover if you don't train for dog shows.
7) You're not a cook if you don't train for Iron Chef.
8) You're not an artist if you don't enter your work into shows.

I could go on, but why bother. I think that makes my point. To say you're not a gamer because you don't do multiplayer is just ridiculous, and borders on completely ignorant.

Additionally, feel free to contribute to my list.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:36:56 AM

9) You're not a grown up if you get offended by not being called a "real gamer"?

;)

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TheAgingHipster
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 8:30:10 AM

Touche, good sir. :)

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booze925
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:05:24 PM
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heres how i see it:
if a game has amazing single player, its a game. i play the game.
doesn't that make me a gamer?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:40:21 PM

Sure but maybe you're not a REAL gamer cuz only REAL gamers do Multiplayer

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Highlightreel
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:18:26 AM

How about this? Make it even more simple: I play games therefore I am a gamer.

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tes37
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:10:30 PM
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When I was younger I was easily deceived by people like this anonymous moron. I thought I was highly intelligent, but realized later I had only average intelligence, I was just surrounded by idiots.

I've been gaming for a long time and I prefer single player campaigns. I had an Atari when I was a kid and multiplayer was available then. I just couldn't find anyone who wanted to play. Single player has been the only means of gaming for me since childhood and it will stay that way.

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Helghast
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:16:14 PM
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Most people think that the definition of a gamer is someone who plays COD online all day, once in a while plays another game online like Halo, play one or two single player games a year, then......back to COD for a few moths straight.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:18:59 PM
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Oh yeah, I'm not down on MP, it's just like it's fun but it should always be something that is an added bonus ya know? At least unless the game is totally aimed at that.

I'd love to see games just split up, release the network version in MAG form and release decent SP with a 8-10 hour campaign that has some solid characters, a good script, and all the co-op goodies for local players.

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BikerSaint
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:30:03 PM
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Funny that when I played Pitfall, Stampede, & Snafu last week on my Intellivision, I don't remember seeing any multi-player modes what-so-ever on any of them, so hmmmm.

And while I'm closing in on age 59 this coming November 5th, I've been gaming since the very beginning(wanna play some Telstar Alpha?) & except for KZ3 MD modes, I've never once played any MP modes on the other 2119 game I have.

But no, I wouldn't call Anonymous Moron a colossal douchebag.......

.....but I DO call him a Super-colossal douchebag!

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Slime
Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 11:52:46 PM
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Quake 1,2 and 3 and UT got it right I bought those games just to play multiplayer. I know the single player bit of those games was not very good by todays standard and in fact Unreal Tournament single player was really a multiplayer style bot match.

But the point is people do buy games JUST for the multiplayer, COD has got it right for this generation MASS advertising to casual and Hardcore gamers alike I would say.

And once you get the right people playing your games (generally young people with cash to burn, although there are exceptions to every rule) then the game and the advertisin hype as well as the players themselves all keep there little universe rolling along nicelly and generally they tend to lose interest in other games and concentrate more on multiplayer or just that one game.

And while your game is top of the roost why not milk it for every penny you can any way you can.

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cLoudou
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:05:56 AM
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My whole life, I've been living a lie.

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:12:58 AM

I know what you mean. 17 years down the drain.

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FatherSun
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:15:29 AM
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Remember when you were just a kid. Playing the game of "TAG". A SIMPLE game. Fun as hell with your best friends and even with your not so best friends. Who's the fastest? Who can get the most tags? etc... Basically this is what multiplayer games are at the very core. It is a SOCIAL EXPERIENCE. And we all know that going Social is all the rage nowadays.

For instance, the most "POPULAR" experiences such as... The COD(OCD) series are perfect examples. I have learned that when someone who plays COD attempts to play another FPS any variation in gameplay that can affect a players Kill/Death ratio or other stats will almost instantly turn them off. A sure sign of addition to one particular game. The illusion of complexity lies with the perks systems and stats tracking yet the simplicity of the actual game is what has players locked in.

Therein lies the confusion. Recent generations cannot fathom playing a video game alone. It is simply not how they were raised. It's kind of scary when you think of it. How much the world has changed that is.

With that being said, I must ask you Ben. How old was this guy? The answer may clarify his ignorance.

Yeah, I still remember those long sessions of playing TAG with all the neighborhood kids. Heck, even the adults got into it sometimes. Hella FUN. But you know what, when it was all over and I got home on went the 2600. No multiplayer. Just good old fashioned video gaming.Single Player!

They can NEVER take away my GAMER CARD. It is in my HEART. I'm just worried that they will take away the actual games. Nah.. it'll never happen!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:47:37 AM

And by association it is scary how many people can't just BE alone. I mean like, quietly not check facebook or text or do multiplayer but just chill without feeling some massive anxiety that they are missing something.

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Russell Burrows
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:53:35 AM
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What I see from COD and other FPS:
Spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn,die,spawn, die.....whew! play a new game and five minutes later its the same!

Yawn.

Back to playing offline games with the only three important things for me story, story and story!

Eagerly awaiting Skyrim.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 10:56:32 AM

Unless you're me, then it's Spawn, kill, kill, kill, killstreak, kill many more, kill, kill, win. Phew! More of the same again...

;)

Yeah, still prefer the SP.

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FxTales
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:00:59 AM
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I've hardly even touched multiplayer, for me gaming is a personal thing. I prefer single player, it doesn't make me any less of a gamer.

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Mog
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:01:59 AM
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The answer is in the article itself..... That guy was a moron.

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Warrior Poet
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:11:09 AM
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Ugh. I mostly play single-player games. Most of the games I buy are JRPGs and one-on-one fighters. But I play racing games and platformers and adventure games and shmups...and sometimes some Battlefront 2 online!

I do like multiplayer, but I mostly like local multiplayer. A competitive Street Fighter setting is a lot more exciting for me than a Halo LAN party, too.

Let's not forget how important simple games are, either. Ben's article on the balance between casual and "hardcore" is very good because it highlights the need for both. Assasin's Creed could never be what it is if it wasn't for Just Dance. I think addicted COD players aren't much different than casual Wii player...

But the Wii player who likes Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3 and DKC Returns is someone I'd like to hang out with.

Someone who can appreciate a good game regardless of genre is usually someone intelligent.

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Warrior Poet
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:13:18 AM
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One other thing - I think it's absolutely ridiculous that we distinguish "real" gamers from...what? Fake gamers? Half-Gamers?

It doesn't really apply to any other kind of art, either. What's a "real" movie-watcher? A "real" reader? I know playing games is much more involved (usually) but I think my only definition of "gamer" is "one who games."

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Slime
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:36:52 AM
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If you have not got and played every single game ever released for every machine then you are not a gamer!

If anyone deserved a SHUT the **** UP reply its Anonymous Moron :D

I wonder in the future will there be a sad old gamer ranting on boards about how his beloved multiplayer has died and companies don't listen to the core gamer because of this new upsurge in single player turn based gaming lol :D

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Ignitus
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:43:32 AM
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I split my gaming 50% single player and online multiplayer.
I like both experiences and online multiplayer is what this generation is all about (Xbox Live is on it's second generation and PSN just got running).

Maybe next gen, when online multiplayer is not thet new hot thing and developers run out of online multiplayer game modes things will come back to normal. Or maybe I'm wrong and online multiplayer will be the norm and single player games the rarity.

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godsdream
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 2:41:47 AM
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I hate almost everything that has something to do with multiplayer, or better said, based hardly in multiplayer.

I like to play games to advance in campaign, do goals on my own, sneak upon 1000 soldiers alone (or kill them), race against impossible AI, finish a hardcore boss, watch CG scenes, follow an amazing story and all that related stuff with single player games, or sometimes co-op.

But dealing mostly with 12 year old kids who only live to play multiplayer, c'mon!!!

No multiplayer, no gamer??? I'll tell you what a gamer is, gamer is a person who's main language is not english and player Zelda 1 and 2 with a dictionary on a side to understand what was happening. Gamer is a person who understand the environment of a game and enjoys it as it is. A gamer is someone who 2 times was selected in a game to represent his country in the WCG. A gamer dedicates grand part of his/her life (hobby life, and sometimes job time) to videogames. Pff!! I could go on and on, but what is the point with these people, they are just as dumb as those who claim CoD is the best game out there... You call it.

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:15:51 AM

Zelda with a dictionary? That right there is deication.

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Gordo
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 2:59:45 AM
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We should be happy! I think the important word is "divergence".

The industry (or art form) that we love has matured to such a point that its adherents are splitting into different subgroups.

"Gamer" has as much meaning as "movie watcher" or "artist".

It doesn't tell you anything. Our art form caters for those gamers that appreciate story, graphics, atmosphere, single player and multiplayer etc.

We are not a homogeneous collective any more. If COD devotees are happy with their lot then fine. They can multiplay their little hearts out. As long as their is room for the rest of our interests then all well and good.

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Lawless SXE
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 3:07:24 AM
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For a second there, I was genuinely scared that you'd turned on us, Ben. But what an utter tool. I get how people can enjoy multiplayer, but there are some people that simply don't feel the same way about it. It's shallow, repetitive and derivative, while SP actually coaxes you onwards by rewarding you with story progression and a growing interest in the events and characters.

I honestly can't stand people who are in this mindset, and I honestly believe that if you aren't interested in playing through a ten hour + campaign, then THAT means that you aren't a gamer. The industry has changed since the days of the Atari 2600 when it was either go it alone, or make your own fun on the couch, but that doesn't mean that the single player experience should be regarded in a lesser light. It's just as important now as it was then.

Oi, I can't do this right now. Um... I don't think I'll post again until the Week in Review. World, Temjin, if you read this, let Nick know that the same goes for Velocity. Sorry.
Peace.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:03:08 AM

Uh, are you gonna be ok, buddy?

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___________
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 3:52:11 AM
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exactly, there in the majority so there right......... right?
probably not getting what he was trying to get at though, he was probably trying to say to be a real gamer you have to be super competitive which is really where only online can come into play.
gone are the days where games were super hard, i mean i remember playing N64, gameboy, megadrive games and they were so hard id only finish the ones i really, really liked.
now, well, i cant think of one game ive bought in the last 10 years that i have not finished!
there all just so god dam easy!
even if you bump the difficulty up there still not that hard, i mean i breezed through uncharted 2 R2, killzone, socom 4, and so on through hardest difficulty like i was asleep!
even GOW3, i was never able to finish 1 or 2, or even the PSP games on the highest difficulty.
3 though i finished it on the hardest, and got the plat in the matter of a few days!
its come to the point that the only place you can get competitive and try improve your skills is going online.
shame i cant do that without getting so pissed off i feel like hurling my ps3 through my freaking TV!

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:20:28 AM

I was just thinking that too. I haven't played the games you listed save for GoW I & II, but I have notice things like puzzles and backtracking and general thinking has almost vanished from games. No, you shouldn't have to be Einstien to complete a game, but come on if a game is rated T+, I want SOME challenge.

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___________
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 9:50:44 AM

its a good thing that games dont do much backtracking these days, except GOW3 and DMC4 most have removed that completley.
that was my biggest gripe with those 2, especially GOW3 i mean come on half the freaking game revolves around pandoras temple!
they finally took the battle to mount olympus, the holy grail of greek mythology, so you think they would explore it!

puzzles in games are normally quite well done, think of portal or dantes inferno, or darksiders even to a certain extent.
the puzzles in darksiders were easy it was just hard to figure out where to start, once you figured that out it was easy.
the difficulty of puzzles is fine, what i mean about games being so easy is the one hit kills that have been gone.
gone are the days where if you hit a spiked wall in a platformer you instantly died, todays games you would fall back and loose a small bit of health.
perfect example the brutality that use to be in games thats still there in a game from today is splatterhouse.
thats exactly why i loved it so much.
yes it was repetitive, yes it was buggy as hell, but its as old school as you can get!
so brutal, so unforgiving, makes me feel like im back on my megadrive!

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main_event05
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:26:20 AM
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That's stupid.

Anyway, with some many people hacking, glitching, and God knows whatever else they do, whats the point of playing?

I've been playing a hefty amount of MGO lately and it's just been pissing me off that someone can get a clean headshot off across the level through a solid wall.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:39:41 AM

Is it even possible (within a gamers reach) to hack a ps3 game?

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___________
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 9:52:10 AM

absolutely it is!
go onto COD BO for 5 minutes and you will see all the hacks you can do on the ps3.
if anything a little too easy!

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:07:31 AM

Well, Beamboom, ________ is half right...

No, you can't hack a PS3 with up-to-date firmware. You can exploit issues in the games, however.

For example, in MW2, in multiplayer, the auto-aim fritzes out when sniping. If you can time it right to fire a shot while bringing the scope to your face, and shoot just before you can see anything through the scope, but the scope is practically filling your whole screen, anyone on your screen will be hit. You can one hit KO someone quickly from across the map without aiming if they aren't blocked from your sight...

There's also a rock in one level you actually climb inside by jumping at the right spot over and over. You can shoot out of it, but no one can shoot into it.

Call of Duty is packed full of these types of exploits, and people use them cheaply to their advantage ALL the time. But they aren't hacks... they're design flaws people picked up on.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:23:20 PM

Aha - exploits. That's a different matter. But they are not patched away by now? That *sucks*.

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Fane1024
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:30:13 PM

Why patch when you're releasing a new iteration in less than a year?

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Vivi_Gamer
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:37:19 AM
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Wow that makes me feel quite sad, of course IMO it's quite the opposite. I see true gamers to be the ones who have followed games series like Final Fantasy, Mario, Metal Gear and so on (list could go on...).

People I would define as none gamers would be thoughs who play party games on the Wii or Wii-fit. While Nintendo has things like Zelda, Metroid and Mario there is a lot of generic party game people buy on that console...

I rarely play online games, If I do, I can never take it seriously to be honest. I'll always plant magazines and use the box ram on MGO. I find serious competitors a bit sad really. it's just the same day in day out, headshot here, head shot there... it bores me.

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13Pabs
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 6:58:38 AM
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Ben, everyone who plays games is a gamer. A non-gamer is someone who doesn't play games. It's the categories within being a gamer that defines where you sit. My brother plays WoW and has for many years so you could classify him as an online-gamer. This doesn't mean that's all he plays, he plays Res.Evil, Sonic, Halo etc, but designating someone by their preference can lead to a better understanding. I have over 1200 games from the Nes to this era and a substantial part of this number are RPG's (J-RPG's). I would classify myself as an rpg-gamer. I also own the entire series of DMC, Ace Combat, Onimusha, MGS etc which aren't rpg's but I still enjoy the diversity of what I play. Uncharted and Assassin's Creed are ace series and Heavy Rain gave me a genuine satisfaction of the medium. My rpg-gamer title comes from having all Final Fantasies, Star Ocean, Megaman Battle, Wild Arms, .Hack and that's just the series, plenty of other one off's. My current to play list features Einhander, Megaman Legends 2, MGS Peace Walker, Eternal Sonata as examples of what my core is and also what I branch out into. I have never played a Halo or GTA game (even though owning all of them) which could easily get me the same response from an anonymous douchebag in regards to me being called a gamer or not. What I have written so far may have strayed a bit but it's hopefully a way for justifying yourself under the banner or gamer. The person who plays Angry Birds is a gamer, who plays Farmville is a gamer, who plays CoD, who unlocks all trophies in Gran Turismo and crys over Zack Fair's final moments in Crisis Core are gamers. I have read all the above comments and I found them very inciteful and all valid in response to the article. Ben, your a gamer, your passion of the medium has led you to be able to enjoy it daily and it's also given you the opportunity to provide an honest point of view of your experiences whether single or multiplayer. Do I feel any less a gamer when I get asked what I'm playing and I answer Drakengard or Incredible Crisis, Shadow Hearts or Aerostar? Definately not, it just means I have experienced something that they haven't and on the flipside all the CoD, Zelda, Halo, and Mass Effect players have experienced something that I haven't.

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Jawknee
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 6:59:47 AM
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The guy is a douche. Some of my most memorable and entertaining experiences have been with single player games. I find MP fun every now and then but most of the time it's just cause for frustration and twitchiness. So screw em'.

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Maruf
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 7:23:09 AM
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If you're a gamer, you know yourself as a gamer and you're right. I don't play multiplayer anymore because the experience seemed difficult and all the haters and heavy breathers made me feel that the annoyance of multiplayer isn't worth it. I'd play a single player on varying difficulty levels and for games like Mass Effect, I can play the single player multiple times. I rather play the campagne of 3/4 games in a certain time in rotation than play multiplayer for one game for the same game for months on end. I like the variety.

Remember there are different genre in gaming and different gamers like different games. Thats ok. Now if you are an RPG fan, you basically don't need multiplayer. I love racing games but playing online I encounter player that won't race properly nor let you do so.

I noticed that some shooter players wont show much respect to players of other genres and vice versa. But that is nothing new. Take music for example. I like metal music and dislike Hip Hop stuff. So there was a time when if someone told my they liked hip hop, I'd say JGFY or something like that. But now I understand that what is music to me is noise or annoiance to others. It works the other way as well. Both types are music and I don't have the right to judge. I can say that I don't like Rap but I should not say what you listen to is crap.

Whoever told you you're not a gamer needs to grow up. Don't let that get to you.

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pavlovic
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 9:28:02 AM
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I discovered multiplayer the first time I loaded Socom on my PS2... countless hours on line having a blast.

Now, it's pretty hard to get me involved in any multiplayer game. Thera are too many single player games that I rarely go in MP. Sometimes I load MW2 and play a couple of rounds, but I into SP again.

Got sick and tired of racism and offenses all over XBL and PSN. I think I grew up.

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Hynad
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 10:59:15 AM
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So online is the way to go if you want to be a "real" gamer...

Seriously... Anyone spouting this "real gamer" shit is nothing more than a self-centered retard.

It's like saying that if you don't go to a cinema, you're not a real movie lover.

That's utterly ridiculous. For all I know, most of us here don't necessarily play online much (I mostly play Uncharted 2, did a lot of Killzone 2 back then, and played the hell out of Uncharted 3 beta)... But I'm pretty sure many here have been playing games for more than half of their life (I started at the age of 4, during the Colecovision era. XD). And I'd also wager that many of us here know more about the industries in and out than that douchebag does.

That kind of thinking is really pissing me off. It's like the whole annoying casual vs hardcore shenanigan that this gen has brought forth.

What that douche said is the same to me as if I were to say that you're not a gamer if you never played Valkyria Chronicles, Flower, or Tetris!

"You don't play my way? Then you're no gamer!"

Seriously, get out of here! Go to Wal-Mart, they have life for sales! Go get one!

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SaiyanSempai
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:20:11 AM
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Seriously, that guy is a COLOSSAL douchebag. I'm definitely the type that enjoys a good story in my games. I play multiplayer on occasion, but really only if I can link up with a friend online.

The thing I don't really like about multiplayer, is the fact that I'm spending so many hours with ONE game and not getting any closer to completion or a conclusion.

I like to experience a story, then move on to the next great story. (fighting games are the exception for me, of course).

In fact, I'm LESS likely to pick up a game if it lacks in the single player campaign department, regardless of how good the multiplayer is. The only COD I picked up was MW2, and I went through the campaign FIRST before jumping on multiplayer with friends. But the single player campaign was crap so I felt no need to get a COD since.

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Nickjcal
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:32:44 AM
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I've always thought..If I play video games, i'm a gamer...maybe not though.

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Fox hounder
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:39:05 AM
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I've been gaming since i was 3 years old, my first console was the nes and i have been playing mostly single player ever since. The problem is that new gamers don't know about the roots of gaming and the great single player experiences in the past. Online multiplayer is fine, but give me good gameplay and a great story in a long single player campaign any day.

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Deleted User
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 11:52:02 AM
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He's right. I'm not a "gamer". I'm a video gamer.

I'm not a fan of multiplayer but it doesn't mean I'll avoid it. In some games, it's integral to the fun factor. However, people my age have no interest in playing with bratty little kids who can't win fairly and need to cheat. Older gamers got into this hobby long before online multiplayer became chic. I'm more used to having another human compete against me than some stranger who sounds like Mushmouth or Justin Bieber. It's just me.

Too many younger gamers do not care about the past in video gaming. It's the here and now. They have to understand the idea of different strokes for different folks.

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Underdog15
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:23:18 PM
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If no one on my friends list is playing a multiplayer game, you will never find me playing multiplayer. The only exception will be WKC in the next few days, as the folks on my friends list that play that are a fair number of levels ahead of me. I gotta catch up so they aren't always babysitting me.

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wiley_kyotee
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 12:55:26 PM
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I do not play multiplayer for the most part except for Demon Soul's right now. Even then a phantom invaded my world the other day and attacked me. He/she broke all my armor and then killed me. It took a several hours for me to earn enough souls, close to 45,000, for me to fix all my armor. I would have much rather used those souls to level up my character and weapons. That was frustrating, but I do like the messages from other players, seeing ghosts of other players on-line, and viewing how others died (bloodstains). So I still risk it and stay connected to the network when playing Demon Soul's.

Having said that, I would call myself a gamer as gaming is my #1 hobby/pasttime even though the majority is single player gaming.

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Darwin1967
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 1:30:23 PM
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Wow, talk about generational war. The Anonymous douche sounds like me at 15 when I confronted my parents declaring if it ain't punk it's not music. Really?! Of course, I wish I could hit my younger self over the head with a lead pipe and bring me to my senses sooner than later, but sadly, my idiot self ruled for another 3 years until I wised up. same could be said for this MP generation when they realize that the quality of a game can as easily be found in a well produced SP game as it can MP. There are many...and I mean MANY wonderful single player games out there that truly are of the mozart of games just waiting to be discovered, but they will have to remove their blinders first!

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Radiohead
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 2:26:29 PM
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your not a true gamer if you think call of duty is the best game ever.

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Squirrelicus
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 2:50:02 PM
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I'd say a true gamer would rather play in a community that didn't include cursing twelve year olds and games that didn't feature player emblems of penis penetration and or boobs with bodily fluids. but thats just me.

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InBlackestNight
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 2:52:26 PM
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So my 1100 trophies (of which very few are from online) mean I'm not a real gamer. My hundreds of hours played on glorious single player games (Mass Effect 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Fallout 3, Assassin's Creed II, Ratchet and Clank and so on) mean nothing? I DON'T want online. I understand why it's popular but my gaming has always been a solitary experience which I enjoy. If a game doesn't have a solid, single-player mode then I'm not sold. I hate it when online is tacked in to appease the sheep (Bioshock 2, Uncharted 2). Online gaming us killing the games as those who have grown up with them know it. The companies need to quit catering to the 12-16 year olds who don't know real games. Games like COD need to be online only. The campaigns are insulting.

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thatguy6598
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 3:29:12 PM
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i have never played multiplayer where i used to live (no wifi) but i never felt like i was missing something. i want to play with real people i dont go online i invite my friends over. that guy was a douche.

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Crabba
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:16:02 PM
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That's just sad. I would almost say the exact opposite, if all you do is play multiplayer you're not really a gamer! A lot of the best games ever made are pure single player games, and most of the rest of the best games have both single and multiplayer options in the game.

If all you do is play the multiplayer portion of these games you're missing out on what I would consider the actual GAME portion, meaning the story, different gameplay and campaigns, not just the same deathmatch and capture the flag and whatever other modes that are all the same in every game...

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rjmacready
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 4:45:27 PM
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Couldn't agree more. I've been a gamer for 30 years, and I don't get into the online multiplayer thing. Its cool to play with a friend occasionally either online or better, in person, but in the limited amount of time I have, I've always enjoyed the single player experience. Whether it be solving something like Uncharted, or playing a season in MLB the Show or Madden, I primarily enjoy that 99% as a single player.

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Geobaldi
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 9:53:51 PM
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Just got my Battlefield 3 Alpha Test invite so tonight I WILL be playing multiplayer for a little bit.

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556pineapple
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 12:29:18 AM
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I was told "That's why you play games, to play with other people." I responded with "I play a game for the same reason I read a book, or watch a movie: to experience a narrative. It all comes down to storytelling for me." Multiplayer can be fun, but in order for me to really enjoy it, I have to play with people I actually know, and if they're in the same room, so much the better. I don't get much enjoyment out of playing with a bunch of anonymous strangers online.

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Spanky
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 4:04:35 PM

Bud you took the words out of my mouth. I play games to get away from the obnoxiousness of the world not to immerse myself deeper in it! :)

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Kai200X
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 12:59:33 AM
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Oh I'm 100 and 10 percent a gamer through and through, but I just don't care about multiplayer.

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Alexeon
Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 5:44:16 PM
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Correction: if you dont play games online, youre not a broGamer. I can live with that.

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JackDillinger89
Friday, July 29, 2011 @ 12:51:43 AM
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Yes that guy was a big douche but sadly most games nowadays dont survive without a multiplayer unless its a good rpg with lots a replay value.

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wryslok
Friday, July 29, 2011 @ 7:34:38 AM
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I like the structure of single-player campaign. Multiplayer is just chaos. I prefer the immersive nature of a campaign.

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