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Sony Needs A First-Party RPG Like Legend Of Dragoon

Sony is well known for their exclusives.

This generation, Uncharted, inFamous, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone, MotorStorm, and Demon's Souls all became new exclusive IPs that cemented the PlayStation 3 as the hardcore gamer's platform. The continuation of already established franchises, like Metal Gear Solid, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, and Gran Turismo has continued to bolster the brand.

But once upon a time, there was a first-party RPG that fans of the genre really loved, despite the lukewarm critical reception. It was Legend of Dragoon, Sony's first role-playing attempt and one that boasted a decent story and a turn-based mechanic with a timing twist. I distinctly recall certain elements of the game; i.e., the strange contrast between the beautifully designed towns and the drab, linear world map. I also remember thinking that Sony probably should leave RPGs to the experts (like Squaresoft), but this was before I played it.

Much was made of the amazing movies included in the game; they surpassed just about everything else in terms of technical proficiency, and were the reason the game shipped on 4 CDs. We had heard about it for a loooong time, too, as it had been in the works for over 3 years and the development team consisted of over 100 members (big numbers in those days). And you know, we really don't have a lot of high-profile RPG exclusives in the PlayStation realm. There's White Knight Chronicles and Demon's Souls, along with a few other Japanese-developed RPGs, but where's our LoD sequel?

If you want action, you go to God of War. If you want chilling, innovative drama, you play Heavy Rain. If you want more innovation in the realm of player creativity and platforming, you go with LittleBigPlanet. Racing? Gran Turismo. Action/adventures? MGS, Uncharted, inFamous. But where's our first-party RPG? Why couldn't it be a LoD follow-up? Oh, I know...it's impossible. Yeah, we've heard that from Square Enix a million times before. Oh well. 'sigh'

Tags: lod, legend of dragoon, sony, sony rpg

8/7/2011 9:29:15 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (83 posts)

Kiryu
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 10:02:07 PM
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Legend Of Dragoon 2 please.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:05:04 PM

care to elaborate?

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Stabs88
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:59:32 PM

How about some Chrono Cross??! Anyone? I know they put it out on the JPSN but what about us in NA suffering from the LACK of RPGs. Hell ill even take a remake of chrono cross, I know that Trigger an Cross are "same kinda story" as in time travel. Altho that's like saying we need a FF remake..not just an HD collection.

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Riku994
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 10:12:09 PM
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I love you, Ben :P As anyone who reads my comments probably knows, LoD is my favorite game of all time. Yes the world map was linear but honestly that means nothing to me when I think of this game. Is it nostalgia talking? More than likely. But technologically, this game was amazing for its time. I would accept anything Sony added to this game with open arms. Although instead of a sequel, as I've mentioned before I would really prefer a prequel; to play through the Dragon Campaign first-hand as Zieg, Rose, Shirley and the rest of the old Dragoon squad. I would also more than gladly take a full-fledged remake, but with a few conditions.

1: DO NOT mess with the addition system. If I were to add ANYTHING to it, it would be the ability to choose which addition you use when you attack. But even that could derail the difficult curve of the game (despite my ability to play through without dying unless I fight Faust).
2: Allow Dart to be taken out of the party. I wouldn't do this, he's my favorite character and element, but I'm sure some people would appreciate it.
3: Keep the same music tracks, but update them. Don't make the music sound like it belongs on PS1, but keep the tune the same. Do you know what I mean?
4: More side-quests. In LoD, you had stardusts and Faust, and the Dragoon Ghosts. There were a few bonus bosses, but they were just dragon spirits really.
5: Fix the voice acting. Oh god fix the voice acting...

I don't know how I feel about a sequel. I don't know what they could do with the future of the story, and I don't want them to risk messing it up.

TL;DR: I'm nostalgic and I have conditions for a remake.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:57:53 PM

fix the translation as well, the english script was poor

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Riku994
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 10:15:06 PM
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Oh and I would also like to point out to Ben that Dark Souls isn't PS3 exclusive.

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Karosso
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:01:19 PM

Was about to say the same thing... Sad as it is :(

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:04:40 PM

Yes, I know. Edited.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:06:47 PM

Killzone is a continuing franchise too, but I know Ben doesn't count the first one :)

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Riku994
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:18:51 PM

We're talking about RPG's, World ;P

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:45:34 AM

Uh, you should probably read the article.

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Riku994
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:13:04 AM

He only really mentioned other genres in the last paragraph, the article was mainly about RPGs.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:22:43 AM

Second paragraph Riku, where he mentions new IPs and continuing ones this generation...

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gumbi
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 10:27:42 PM
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Ben... This may just be the best article you've ever written. I've been aching for another LoD game for an eternity and I agree 100%. It's time!

Please Sony, you've been ignoring my pleas for over a decade, but listen to Ben!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:11:18 PM
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I think we all know LoD isn't ever coming, but I too wonder why there are no first party RPGs or even RPG making studios. If they had people that could make the next Final Fantasy quality RPG now that Square has gone batsh*t crazy they could really grab a lot of fans that are just waiting for something in that realm.

Or if that is too risky imagine a Sony exclusive Mass Effect or Dragon Age killer, on a frigging blu ray. Imagine all the space they could work with. Why we are navigating menus this generation instead of huge worlds makes no sense to me. How is that a step up from world maps on PS1?

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 7:24:25 AM

i wish there was another jrpg developer that could rival square's production values. when i turn to level 5 or atlus for my jrpg fix i always find myself missing the great production values of square.

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Underdog15
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 8:31:38 AM

I think Level 5 has what it takes when they have the monetary backing to support them.

Dragon Quest 8 was a visual feast!

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 9:04:40 AM

that's a great point about dq8, but i don't think their hd titles look so great. i'm struggling to think of any other jrpg that even comes close to the production values seen in ff13 and i've yet to see a jrpg maker that can rival square's production values consistently. especially this gen. that's just my opinion, though. what's really sad is that we have so few titles to compare this gen. jrpgs are almost on life support.

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Teddie9
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:02:57 PM

Sony should buy Level 5, that should give them the resources they need.

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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 1:57:04 AM

I'm with teddie on this one.

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Abidan13
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:26:02 PM
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The Legend of Dragoon is one of my favourite RPGs, even now amongst the very limited selection.

It's funny that you bring up this title, Ben. I was on my break at work and we were having a conversation about classic RPGs including this title.

We discussed this very topic and some ideas on how to recreate the classic feel aside from the ordinary things like story and gameplay. I think games have lost a sense of progression and achievement. Yes, we have trophies and such but, to me, they have very little meaning. The thing that had the bigger impact to a game, including LoD, was the disc change. That new disc provided the ultimate sense of achievement.

It also provides something entirely different. If done correctly, it can provide to the cinematography of the game in the form of an edit. It can reinforce elements of the story like theme and separate them to show things like character foils and personality changes. I'm reminded of FFVII in this respect.

I believe reintroducing a simple thing like a disc change will provide a just little bit more than the competition at this point. What if we had 3 bluray discs? Higher resolutions and renders. More environments. More story (i.e FFXIII issue). Might see a slightly higher price but could be worth it.

It is strange though. I just gave you all an idea I plan to implement myself, being a game design student.

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Ludakriss
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:04:15 AM

You are awesome, b! I whole heartily hope this is going to work for you.

Seriously though. The plan you have laid out here seems so simple even to someone like me who doesn't have any experience in the game creation/design area. Just imagine what sony could do with this! If only, bro. If only...

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Warrior Poet
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:52:40 PM

Lol, 3 blu-rays - That would actually be really awesome...because it would add up to 150 GB of content! Even one dual-layer blu-ray is bigger than 10 Xbox 360 discs. It would have to be one huge game.

Most consumers don't know the difference between a blu-ray and a DVD, so the marketing ploy may be lost on them. But that's a really interesting idea you have...twice the discs, twice the fun!

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 3:12:48 AM

Your math is not good.

DVD-9 = 9 GB (minus a bit that M$ withholds).

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Dancemachine55
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:55:03 PM
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Thank God for Youtube!!

Checking out Legend of the Dragoon now. As a big RPG fan, I'm really looking forward to Dark Souls, Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim. I might check out White Knight Chronicles 2 when there's a drop in price.

And now to play Resistance 2. Need to catch up before the release of Resistance 3.

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Ludakriss
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:06:19 AM

Just be careful about the White Knight price drop. It's going to be cheaper, sure. But the thing you're gonna worry about is that you're going to have to pay for the ONLINE licence if you want to try out the questing online.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:04:01 AM

Ludakriss,
Only if you buy it second hand. If it's new, it doesn't matter how long it's been on the shelf, the unique code is still there.

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Fox hounder
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:56:08 PM
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Sony has 15 (or was it 16?) internal studios, i'm sure one of them could make a great RPG if they put their minds to it.

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sirbob6
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:00:00 AM

16 with Sucker Punch.

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Fox hounder
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:03:38 AM

Thanks, i couldn't remember for sure. A little bit off topic, IGN recently did an article about 10 studios sony should purchase, level 5 was mentioned. I remember reading some comments here at psx a while back saying sony should purchase level 5, I just thought that was interesting.

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aaronisbla
Sunday, August 07, 2011 @ 11:59:21 PM
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i enjoyed it back then, but it wasnt near my favs. I've been pretty darn critical of it acutally and although id welcome a new addition, id rather have something original

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:25:29 AM
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We need more RPGs, period. Sony or not, exclusive or not, we just need more RPGs! :D



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A2K78
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:33:02 AM
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Maybe Sony want to bring it back....but at the same time the current market condition don't favor it finacially.

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Ludakriss
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:07:57 AM

Harsh ain't it?

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:35:01 AM
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i believe world is correct. this is not going to happen. it seems publishers have lost faith in the rpg genre. releases have been few and far between. what we do get has trended towards faster and dumber. the fact that sony does not own a rpg studio says a lot. they must not think it is worth their time. what was weird is that for a big chunk of this gen the 360 had more jrpg material. games like blue dragon, lost oddessey, magna carte, and tales. star ocean 4 debued on the 360, and appeared much later on the ps3. i guess ms went out there and financed a bunch of these games. i would argue those titles were on the wrong system and would have done better on the ps3.

i'm a big jrpg fan so i find it somewhat strange to say my favorite rpg of this gen is fallout 3. the game had a huge world to explore, and featured a ton of depth. there is just so much to do in that game. absolutely loved it. the vats combat system was a lot of fun as well. i liked me2 a lot, too.

anyways, i think the idea of sony owning a rpg studio is a good idea. at the very least sony should try to finance a couple of rpgs. it is a genre missing in sony's exclusive line up. it would be great if someone could ask sony what they think of this idea.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:59:08 AM

I don't mean to sound like a broken record about MS, but I think they are responsible for the RPG climate. What PS2 had that made it king was the JRPGs, just like the PS1 before. Xbox1 had zero.

MS figured if they could steal that audience then they would be the kings this gen. What happened instead was they paid off Japanese companies for JRPG exclusives for a market that didn't want them. Namely Xbox 360 owners. So the result was either bad sales on good games like Lost Odyssey or just plain old bad games that tried to cater to the west like The Last Remnant.

Any market research done in that time when the PS3 wasn't out yet or was struggling because MS had made certain it wouldn't get any JRPGs would have told Japanese developers that JRPGs aren't popular any more because 360 owners aren't buying them.

Voila, now we have few JRPGs, which left a nice hole for WRPGs to flourish in and condemned the JRPG to either a tiny niche or a scary land where it has to become an action game to survive (Final Fantasy).

MS salted the earth with their greed yet again.

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Riku994
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:16:08 AM

Well said World.

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:27:25 AM

@world

i could not agree more. that's why i said i think those games were on the wrong system. that's probably why they did not sell. like you said now publisher's remain convinced rpg's aren't popular as a result. i think ms was a big factor in hastening in the death of rpg's. it probably did not help that the ps3 struggled so much out of the gate, either. we had the combination of a system where rpg's would have done better struggling, and a system where rpg's tend to struggle doing better. it's no wonder that the market got confused and now thinks rpgs won't sell. i would love to see how a game like lost odyssey would do on the ps3. i think there is a bigger market for this type of game than publisher's think.


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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:35:52 AM

But do we have any sales numbers to base our assumptions on? Any cold, hard, concrete facts? Cause I have a hard time believing that the market really is this uninterested in RPGs as so many claims. Even Xbox gamers. Hasnt both Fallout and Mass Effect received numerous GOTY awards? Did they still not sell? What about the Dragon Ages? DA2 were not as well received but it did still sell? Or?

If there are facts to support these claims then I am willing to accept it - othervice I can't help but thinking the reason must be found elsewhere...

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:58:19 AM

@beamboom

world is speaking of jrpgs which were very popular right up until this gen. lost oddysey has sold under 500,000 copies in the US. the other games mentioned above have done even worse so i understand why publisher's thought jrpg's are not popular anymore.

yes wrpg's have stepped into this gap, and some are considered popular. we still see evidence of developers wanting to strip rpg elements out of games even in these titles.

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:28:13 AM

Yes, but you spoke in more general terms in the beginning of this thread. Why limit the topic to jrpgs when there is a shortage of *any* subgenre of RPG for the Ps3?

In comparison the PC gamers are *swimming* in RPG titles to choose from, and has got just another RPG now lately that's supposedly of very high quality, The Witcher 2. If it is a proven fact that PS owners do love RPGs, why are none of them released also for consoles?
Lord knows I am no MS fan but I find it extremely hard to believe that the blame for this is mainly resting on Microsoft's shoulders. We can blame MS for a lot of things, but in this case we should cut them some slack. :D

I do not have any answers here, I just find it hard to believe that it is the market, us, that are to blame either. Obviously we'd buy it if it were released, and as I said, the few quality RPGs that *has* been released has all, afaik sold well!

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:20:05 AM

I took the liberty of moving the discussion towards JRPGs, feel free to sway it another way.

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:53:57 AM

@beamboom

i don't know much about pc gaming but i take you at your word. when i first bought up rpg's in this thread the games i cited were all jrpgs except for fallout 3. you are right there is no reason to limit the discussion to jrpgs, but i believe world is correct in pointing out how the way ms meddled in that particular market had a negative impact on the genre.

hey, i don't blame ms for trying to nueatralize sony's advantage concerning jrpgs. i do think that it distorted the jrpg market...many publishers drew the conclussion these games would not sell anymore. it's more the individual companies fualt, though. they should be smart enough to know that a console that has a huge shooter fanbase is not the ideal platform for jrpg's,

i think we all agree there should be more rpgs no matter what subgenre they come from. i think it is noteable the way jrpg market seemed to flatline this gen. ms probably hastened that, but is not entirely to blame. there are other factors involved. overall market preferences seemed to have changed a lot. the rise of twitch gaming has probably done more to kill off rpgs now that i think about it.

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:19:13 AM

Regarding PC RPGs: If you do a search on Gamerankings for reviewed RPG titles released for the PC within the last 12 months you will get a search result of 65 titles. Sixty five! That gives an average of more than 5 titles _every_single_month_.
Now, this search result includes DLC packs too, and some of the listed titles are not exactly hardcore rpgs, but still... It's quite the difference.

And I simply don't buy that Microsoft, a competing hardware manufacturer that has *nothing* to do with PS3 games, are to blame for this situation.
But again, it's not that I have an alternative explanation. I just suggest we keep searching. :)

Now, to the overall market: This is where I can only look at myself, my PS3 friends and my son at 12 and his friends. Two quite different categories gamers. But I believe we *all* own At least one of the BioWare games and one of the Fallouts, as a bare minimum. My son beat Dragon Age 2 this summer and absolutely *loved* it, asking when the next one is released. He and his friends also very often play around in Fallout - they prefer that open world to GTA, believe it or not.

So what I am trying to say here is that the way I see it there *is* a demand for RPGs, and we play the few RPGs we got to pieces, and absolutely *loves* them.
So why are there not more released? I have *no* clue!


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Underdog15
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 9:03:24 AM

@Beamboom
There is a shortage of jRPG's. And an even greater shortage of good ones. Plain and simple. The PC rpg's aren't exactly jRPG's.

World's description of the fall of jRPG's is pretty damn accurate. It isn't that there just isn't a market anymore... it's that at the start of this gen, many jRPG's released on 360 only. And sales were terrible.

It isn't that there aren't jRPG fans on PS3. It's that dev's don't want to risk it. I mean, games are made more and more to appeal to a larger audience. I personally think we'll see more jRPG's at the end of the generation when development costs are much cheaper and more risks can be taken.

It's why jRPG's are nearly exclusively made on handhelds. There's almost no risk. Cheaper to make games, and since handhelds are SUPER huge in Japan, a jRPG is almost automatically a decent seller.

RPG's aside from jRPG? yeah... sure... those are still made.

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 9:47:54 AM

There is a shortage of *all* RPGs on the ps3, Underdog, including the japanese ones! Heck, how many wrpgs are we blessed with the last... say, five YEARS? it's not like those of us who prefer western RPGs are that much happier...

The interesting question here is however "WHY"? When historically rpgs have sold well on earlier PS generations, the RPGs that *are* released for the ps3 have done well, and PS3 owners on a weekly basis complain about this ever since the ps3 launch, then *why*?

What you want me to believe is that because owners of a new console platform, the xbox, did not buy their jrpgs then the entire business assumed they would not sell on the PS3 either, a platform that was there LONG before the xbox (ps platform in general) and during those years sold bucketloads of rpgs? Now all of a sudden *all* of those devs suddenly find the Playstation platform to be too much of a risk?
I am sorry, but that does not make sense to me! There *has* to be another reason!


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shadowscorpio
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 2:05:30 AM

World, i'm thinking that you've got it in a nutshell.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 6:44:11 AM

LOL - I can't believe you all seem to think that *another* console platform is to blame for the current status on the PS3! I just... Can't believe what I am seeing here!
To me this is like saying that the xbox gamers are the decision makers in the gaming world and that they are who every developer, even traditional playstation developers, first and foremost listen to.
"If the xbox gamers don't want it, *noone* want it" - is that so?


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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 9:30:17 AM

No, Beamboom.

No one is saying Microsoft is to blame for PS3 success.

We're saying they're to blame for the failure of jRPG's.

Don't forget, the 3rd party exclusive is pretty much extinct. Almost all dev's seek to create games on all platforms. Which means, they will want to create a game that is successful across all platforms. So, when looking at market trends this generation, they see gaming as a whole... not PS3 would do this well, and XBOX will do this well. They see, jRPG's with a traditional jRPG style, has failed numerous times. (They don't care what console it failed on)

It's -not- PS3 developers saying, "It failed on 360, therefore it will fail on PS3." It's multiplatform devs saying jRPG's aren't working. (Again, considering systems doesn't matter.) And also, again, the 3rd party exclusive is almost no more.


It's very much not really "Xbox destroyed jRPG's for PS3". It's more "Xbox destroyed the jRPG." It just HAPPENS to be that jRPG fans have traditionally preferred the PS3, as World outlined.

Occasionally, we see a jRPG like WKC become exclusive to PS3. And it has done well. But if we're all honest, it definitely doesn't have the production values DQ8 or Final Fantasies have had on past platforms. You know?

So for now, we're stuck in this hole of jRPG's for PS3 are "risky" to make, so we never see a smash hit since no one is spending the big bucks on making one. We have average production values resulting in average sales. It's why I said I think we'll see some top notch jRPG's at the end of the generation when it's less expensive, and therefore, less of a risk, to make them.

Does that make sense? Just, when I hear you describe what you think you are hearing from us, it doesn't quite sound like what I'm trying to say.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:23:13 AM

Thanks for the reply Underdog! I *think* I understand you, however things are still a bit foggy here... So just to further clear things up:
These mentioned titles, blue dragon, lost oddessey, magna carte and tales, they were only released for the xbox, right? Ergo they are not "multiplat" then, but xbox games? Or is this wrong?

And my second question:
Are those developers known from the PS2/PSX-era or are they new jrpg devs? Ergo, are they playstation devs too? Did they release jrpgs for the ps2?

I feel this is the core here: They were never released for the ps3 (afaI understand)! The console that traditionally is *the* rpg console from earlier (judging from you guys other posts). This is what I find so utterly strange.

I mean, how many games do you have to sell to be profitable? Is it *that* unlucrative to release a ps3 exclusive?


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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 11:46:20 AM

Lost Odyssey was done by Mistwalker, which is financially backed by Microsoft. BUT, the creator is Hironobu Sakaguchi, who CREATED Final Fantasy (and says so on box art), the music is done by Nobuo Uematsu (responsible for Final Fantasy music), and the story was written by Kiyoshi Shigematsu, who is an award winning short story writer.

I don't have a 360 and haven't played it, but apparently it's absolutely dynamite. It had random encounter battles, too. It's got extremely well known staff, most of which worked mostly originally for Squaresoft in it's hayday. In fact, it's the first for many of them outside that company. Apparently Microsoft poured a ton of money into it (hense World's comments about Microsoft wanting a big chunk of the jRPG market).

The problem? Extremely low sales, even with critical acclaim!


Magna Carta 2 was released for Xbox exclusively, but the first was exclusive to the PS2. It has a mix of turn-based and real-time elements. It scored well, I believe, but also sold nilch.

Blue Dragon? ALSO developed by Sakaguchi (the FF creator). It was funded by microsoft early in the generation. It, too, flopped despite good values. It boasted traditional jRPG gameplay. In fact, reviewers are strange... Some praised it for bringing back a great traditional jRPG with all the same elements of past jRPG's, while others criticized it for the exact same reasons... :p

So as for your second question, yes, Magna Carta was a PS2 game. The other two are by a Microsoft exclusive developer recruited specifically for XBOX360, but the higher ups are all former PS1 and PS2 (and some as early as NES) developers for Squaresoft.

The first question, you are correct. They are xbox exclusives, as Microsoft funded all those projects. But that's the thing... they all failed financially, or at least had very little profit. Now Microsoft doesn't really sponsor jRPG's, and these devs aren't really making jRPG's. With reception being so poor on pretty much -ALL- the first jRPG's made this generation, no multiplat developers are really willing to make traditional jRPG's. At least, none have tried. World suggests that multiplat designers know from history, they will not sell on Xbox360. They -might- sell well on PS3 (as there is nothing really to prove they will aside from last gen's experience). It's definitely a risk.

Which leaves -ONLY- first party exclusives to SONY the only ones that -might- try it out. Xbox exclusives definitely won't. Multiplats almost certainly won't.

And in the end, that's Ben's point. Sony doesn't really have any first party dev's to make RPG's. (Of any kind, let alone jRPG's) So we're sunk because Sony doesn't have any first party studios that really do those kinds of games, and everyone else probably isn't willing to without trying to cater to a much larger audience. And all these reasons, considering the history and timelines, is why Wolrd suggests Microsoft's early attempt at jRPG's has dissuaded developers from making them. The strangest part of all, is that XBOX had ZERO jRPG's.

All of a sudden, early on, Microsoft decides it's wise to fund all kinds of them. And when you consider the fact that PS1 and PS2 both did -extremely- well with jRPG's, it's little surprise.

World suggests they tried to steal some of the market, but in the end, just killed it. They sort of succeeded in a way, but it's not like they made money off it. They just seem to have removed the genre, and thus, some of Sony's staying power. It wasn't intentional, but seems to be what happened none-the-less.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 12:37:23 PM

The ps2 era is one giant chapter in the history of gaming that I simply never were a part of. So thank you very much for bothering to explain all this to me in detail! I almost feel bad for it. And that's no kidding.

But now I better understand the reasoning behind it. I still think it's strange that these legendary Playstation developers apparently haven't even *tried* to do something similar for the Playstation 3, seeing how they've succeeded earlier on PS2, but at least I understand how you guys come to that conclusion.

It must have been major suckage back then to be a bystander and see these released exclusively for the Xbox just to fail...

Thanks again!


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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 1:19:06 PM

oh yeah, believe me, I find it strange these devs aren't making things for PS3 too. Lots of us are bewildered. It's why people bemoan Square so much, and it's why people get upset when titles like Dragon Quest go to portable systems. (Dragon Quest 8 is probably my favorite game of all time. I loved it SO much. It was PS2 exclusive.)

I probably would have bought a 360 just for those games had I the cash. At the time, I was engaged, had just sold my 360 for an engagement ring, in fact (got married in 2008), hadn't been out of university for very long, wasn't making a lot of money at my first job ($15/hour doing kids programming, which also had sporadic hours)... just couldn't afford the second system.

Now, if I didn't have so much to play on PS3, I might get a 360 just for those games. Problem is, I can't justify the purchase because I'm not exactly bored with my PS3 either. I'm loving White Knight, right now, plus I don't see a real promising future for 360 anymore this gen either. Plus, with a little one on the way, my wife would probably kill me if I went and bought another system. lol

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Beamboom
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 @ 6:13:01 AM

These replies you've written here made me think: Articles covering "The history of Playstation gaming" would have made an interesting read! At least for those of us who just recently jumped on the PS wagon.

If they are written with focus and without the traditional Sony praise, just straight out the way it was with all the trials and troubles, they would be a nice way to get to know the names behind the games, the companies, and "why things are the way they are".

Man that'd be totally awesome now that I think about it. Go for it! Go go go! :)

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:28:07 AM
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See, that's why Sony need to buy From Software. Hell, I'd be satisfied with Matrix Software. Better yet, why not just get one of the Japan studios cranking on it, rather than bizarre PSP games like Echochrome and even more so Move games, like Kung-Fu Rider.

I mean damn, they've got Team ICO among them... Use them to offer story and gameplay ideas. Ueda could work wonders for an RPG...

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:40:30 AM
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forgot about team ico. what's up with japansese developer's this gen? it seems they take forever to release a game. bioware and nuaghty dog will manage to release 3 or more games before we have seen even 1 game fom team ico.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:23:45 AM

Bioware are basically expanding on what they've done before, but improving the formula exponentially. Nevertheless, like Naughty Dog, they're working on games that stick to conventions.

The same can't be said for Team ICO. They're creating an entire new suite of physics and AI calculations for the creature in TLG in trying to make it act like an animal. Moreover, they're trying to build it so that the relationship between player avatar and creature builds over time, and so that it becomes more attuned to the player's desires. Team ICO are doing something entirely new, and that takes time. In case you can't tell, I reckon they can take as much time as they want :D

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:24:05 AM

you bring up many valid points, but i don't think they can take all the time they want. this gen is winding down. they are running out of time. also i would consider 3 mass effect games and 2 dragon age games as a pretty serious undertaking. hell just the amount of dialogue alone makes it a pretty complex undertaking. these are pretty deep games for the most part.

i'm worried that team ico does not really know what they want to do with this game from a design standpoint. i find it worrisome we know so little about it. anyways, i hope it comes out sometimes this gen. finally, i would say games that have 5yr developement cycles or more are becoming a thing of the past. a game would have to sell a ton of copies to cover the development costs alone. a game like gt5 might be able to get away with that but i don't think it is a sound business practice to have these insanely long devlopment cycles. that's a good way to put a company under real fast if their game does not sell.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:10:12 AM

Can't argue with that reasoning. Shorter dev cycles are definitely the wave of the future, but companies under an umbrella publisher are much better off than independents on that front. You must remember also that Team ICO isn't actually a seperate studio. They operate within the boundaries of Sony Japan, so that is where most of their funding comes from. But I too am worried about their seeming lack of direction, and I think that if it fails to make a showing at TGS, then there is no hope for The Last Guardian.

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FM23
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:41:24 AM
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Man this is another game I have never heard about until now. Man, back in the day...RPG's weren't my thing and even today they aren't except for this new action RPG genre like...Oblivion, Fallout, Demons Souls. I need to research this.

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Riku994
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:24:17 PM

I don't think I'd call Fallout and Oblivion action RPGs.

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FM23
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:49:40 PM

Oh...well everyone else on here does so I thought it made since...lol. what are they?

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Riku994
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:21:46 PM

They're what're commonly known as "WRPGs" or Western RPGs, meaning a developer in North America created it. It usually involves a big open world (not counting Dragon Age 2 Ben ;) ) with plenty of choices to be made, along with in-depth character creation.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 3:30:10 AM

For me, "Action RPG" refers to Diablo-style games like Champions Of Norrath, usually with relatively limited skill mechanics and not much storytelling.

Like Riku, I call games like Oblivion or Fallout 3 "WRPGs" or just "RPGs".

Riku...European developers, too.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 9:32:07 AM

Kingdom Hearts or Crisis Core would be Action RPG's.

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___________
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:07:49 AM
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id love to see a game like skyrim exclusive to the ps3.
if bethesda can do that with skyrim, imagine what a first party could do given a longer dev time and better tool support!
id love to see a neir like game too, the only RPG $Es actually done well this gen!
fantastic game, just needs the ambition and big budget of a typical first party game.
my pick though would be a game like alpha protocol.
done well that would be so freaking amazing, would turn the genre on its head and really kick start the industry!
its been such a long time since a game came out and set the mold, what half life did all those years ago.
alpha protocol is that type of game, but it has to be done by a studio who knows what there doing, and have the budget and time to match it, bring it fully to its potential.
if done well it could make heavy rain look like your average adventure game!

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:19:03 AM

I almost picked that up the other day... almost $32. Just needs to be a little bit cheaper.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:07:51 AM
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I have heard much praise for this game, Though due to it's rarity, If it ever was released on the PS Store, I would certainly give it a try.

As for a Sony RPG, well yeah, I like many here crave a new RPG experience which is clearly lacking this gen.

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Ludakriss
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:26:02 AM
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@Lawless SXE

SPEAK THE TRUTH BROTHER! Damn. See? This is what I'm talking about. Now put Team ICO into parallels with Square and the dev time for FFversus13.
Square - developing bunch of useless titles for PSP, spin offs for Wii and alike. Hence, slowing Versus dev time. NOW!
Team ICO - have you seen them make anything else whilst developing The Last Guardian? This suggests that it might be a truly spectacular achievement in gaming since FFversus13 looks seriously good and has many mechanics that are very appealing.

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:15:41 AM

Versus is a myth designed to keep PS3-only owners tided over until the FFVII remake drops before it. :P (Sorry everyone, I had to)

But you're right. They've had Nomura on the Dissidia games, the KH spin-offs, The Third Birthday. Agito is almost out, so he's free to kick Versus development into high gear, and then we'll see just how quickly S-E can get a game done. I'm thinking that it will be out in less than two years from now, I mean, FFXIII-2 took less than that.

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Ludakriss
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:34:22 AM
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My only disappointment with the "twitch" RPGs is that they're not even all that twitch. I mean I have been hoping for a game that would truly reflect the characters LEVEL. Yes! LEVEL damn it! So far all they are is - a number for you to carry, your health might grow, your MP, stats. BUT! What the hell is my character benefit from in IN PRACTICE, IN COMBAT? NONE. Look.

I thought that when you reach a say LVL 10 I'd be able to get access to a certain Riposte attack, to be able to push myself off the wall if pushed into one by an enemy. You know? Become wore aware of my surroundings, my enemy, my ABILITY...ACCORDING TO MY LEVEL. You get me?

Also the ish-turn based RPGs like say White Knight Chronicles, which I have been playing recently. The whole unsheathing of the blade while being stationary HAS TO GO! What the hell? So it's that minor inconvenience that makes the battle so non-smooth. Just run like you ran and UNSHEATHE while running. These things just have to be considered by devs.

Keeps the roots of old skool, use the tech and brain of new-skool. Not so hard, eh?

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 3:37:39 AM

Oblivion has benefits when your skills reach certain levels, but I like your thinking.

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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 9:36:57 AM

I agree about the start/stop of battle in WKC. I'm not sure what things have been made better, but I have read that battles are smoother and a little better executed in WKC2 (and thus WKC1 in the WKC2 release).

Might be worth looking into what the improvements are.

If you're looking for someone to party with, Highlander and I quest fairly regularly (although we've been missing each other by 10-15 minutes lately). My PSN is Underdog15. (Character's name is Fetch)

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Warrior Poet
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:59:43 PM
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RPGs are gigantic. They take forever to make even with large teams, especially if we want high production values...and unless they're big names, they don't sell extremely well.

I'm a big RPG fan and I would love to see a Sony first-party RPG, but whatever they made would almost definitely be an action RPG.

That said...I think Sucker Punch needs to make an RPG. Maybe even a Sly Cooper ARPG! Think about that...just think about it. That would be delicious.

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Ludakriss
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 4:53:06 AM

=) I like your choice of words - delicious. :D I sure agree with you.

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DrRockso87
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:40:56 PM
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At this point I'll take a PSN release of the original Legend of Dragoon already!! Seriously, what the hell, Sony? It's on the Japanese Playstation Store. Want 10 dollars? Then bring it here too!

Still, as much as I'd like to see a Legend of Dragoon 2, it just won't happen. Too costly, not enough fans, etc.

What Sony SHOULD do though is revive the Dark Cloud series! Seriously, I know that's now become White Knight Chronicles but it's not the same. I want to see a Dark Cloud HD collection and Dark Cloud 3, already Sony. Pleeeeease.

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Ludakriss
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 4:56:02 AM

Oh yes! A fellow Dark Cloud fan! The sad thing is a couple of years back I still remember an incentive created by the Japanese fans of the series and it failed still. OR at least, there was no mention that Level 5 even get the cry out of the community. So yeah. Chances are dim, friend.

Damn, I loved obtaining the Chronicle Sword...

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Robochic
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:59:57 PM
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I have never played Legend of dragoon but my husband said to tell you Ben Bravo it is the best damn RPG. I like baulders gate myself wish a new one would come out but I understand why not :(

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Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 9:59:18 PM
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Yeah, I've never heard of the game in this article Ben but I definitely agree that this gen could seriously use a AAA-quality RPG! Like you said, for most other genres, you could easily pick a great PS3 exclusive, but for some reason there's basically nothing in the RPG genre, at least at that quality level.

It's sad that you basically have to go back and play PS2 games if you want to play a really great RPG right now...

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Thursday, August 11, 2011 @ 2:33:38 PM
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It would be crazy awesome if they made a LoD 2 for PS3 and included the original LoD on the same Bluray disc with slight enhancements like up the resolution and smooth the jaggies, and add trophies.

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Draguss
Thursday, August 11, 2011 @ 3:20:10 PM
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A remake, a sequel, a prequel, anything. Man I'd love another LoD. I don't even have a clue why but I love that game so much, I've beaten it over 40 times now and I'm not exaggerating.

The only thing I'd liked changed is the Dragoon forms though, awesome as they looked they weren't all that useful.

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