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Why I Wouldn't Buy A New PlayStation Or Xbox In 2012

It's a good thing Sony and Microsoft probably don't intend to introduce new pieces of hardware next year, because I probably wouldn't buy 'em if they did.

For work purposes, I'd obviously need the PS4 but left to my own devices, I wouldn't get anything. And it's strange, too. Historically speaking, we should all be begging for new consoles; in 2012, the Xbox 360 will be approaching its seventh year and the PlayStation 3 will be in the midst of its fifth, and approaching the sixth. In any other generation prior to this one, new hardware would probably be slated to launch this holiday season.

But regardless of what Sony or Microsoft could produce, it just feels as if the current generation is nowhere near finished. I can't really put my finger on it, but I'm firmly convinced developers can do a lot more with the current hardware. Furthermore, maybe it's because consoles took such a huge leap in terms of overall entertainment appeal (Internet, movies, music, etc.) this generation; I mean, at this point, it feels like replacing a computer. Price is almost irrelevant; I really couldn't see myself buying anything new in 2012, and it's primarily because I'm plenty happy with what I have. I think many gamers are.

We also shouldn't forget that new games continued to arrive for both the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 after the successor arrived. I mean, God of War II and Final Fantasy XII came out after the PS3 launched in North America. Well, not quite with FFXII; it released a few weeks before the PS3 came out, but you get my point. And more amazing games could easily be released on both the PS3 and 360, as developers continually say more can be done. They stress that point. In years and generations past, I was always more than read for a new round of consoles. I think we all were.

But there's definitely something different about this particular generation, and I'm in no rush whatsoever to upgrade. So take your time, hardware making people.

Tags: ps4, playstation 4, sony, next gen, next generation

8/8/2011 10:44:55 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (94 posts)

Kiryu
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 10:57:54 AM
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u buy an xbox?

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WolfCrimson
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:10:09 AM

Yeah, Ben does not really discriminate when it comes to good games. He said so himself long ago.

I'd buy an Xbox too if it were a good idea to do so, but it ain't.

Also, I feel the same as Ben, it feels too early for the next generation of consoles to hit the market. If I were to draw up an analogy with food, if I'm eating a full meal with appetizers, main course and dessert, it's still like I'm halfway through the main course. That's what it's like with the PS3, anyway.

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BTNwarrior
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:08:31 PM

he has to play alan wake on something

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slugga_status
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:25:43 PM

nothing wrong with owning a xbox. Why limit yourself to one console when you can have both

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anjpikapp3
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:35:36 PM

I have all 3 consoles yet my PS3 is the only one that see's the power grid...I'm almost afraid to turn my 360 bc I'm sure I'll get the RRoD (been about 18 months since I've turn it on and the 2nd one prior to my first RRoD). As for the Wii...annoys me more that its not HD so haven't played it since Mario Cart. O.O

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:40:56 PM

Well, I have it for Gears and Alan Wake but these days, that's about it.

The exclusive lineup between the two platforms isn't even remotely close to comparable, but so long as the Xbox has even one franchise I really want to play, I'll own the platform.

...I'd just never pay for it on launch day. It'd be a while.

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:36:56 PM

Think about Alan Awake is that you have to get DLC to get the full ending, as the DLC is a continuation. Not that I have played it because this news has put me off it completely...

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 4:36:08 PM

Ben is one of the lucky ones, he hasn't been through 5 of them, he got one that works.

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NoSmokingBandit
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:13:01 PM

"Yeah, Ben does not really discriminate when it comes to good games. He said so himself long ago."

Unless its on the Wii.

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___________
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 5:15:46 AM

or PC...........

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 6:31:50 AM

... Or Android...

:D

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Underdog15
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 9:13:21 AM

Yeah, it's true. Hard to blame him though. Android, PC, and Wii all suck balls.

esPECIALLY pc.

XD XD XD

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___________
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:35:58 AM

no ios love?
:(
anyone who has a apple device and has not played infinity blade should be jailed for a minimum of 15 years!
freaking awesome game!!!!!!!

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kevinater321
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:10:34 AM
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I think it's the age of the gamers on this site, i'm raring to go but that because i'm a teen. The older you get the more conformable you are and the less you want change. That's what i think anyway.

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maxpontiac
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:15:43 AM

That's a good point, but I also believe it has to do with the ability to recognize value you when you see it.

With the Playstation 3, there isn't a better value on the market.

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gumbi
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:49:52 AM

You make a great observation. But, as one who's getting 'older' (sigh). I can attest that it's not so much about comfort, or reluctance to change. It's about time, it's all about time.

Wife, kids, house, job all adds up to not having even a fraction of the gaming time I had when I was younger. So despite having owned a PS3 since launch, I've spent considerably less time with it than I had with PS2, and PS1. The novelty still hasn't worn off, and I still have a serious backlog of great games to play. If I still had the gaming time I had in my teens, or even early 20's then I'd probably be a lot more receptive to a new console.

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Fabi
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:57:57 AM

Goodness, I never thought about it in that way.

I too feel no need for a new console. Hell, I'm still amazed by the graphics in most games.

BUT just like you guys, I too only game for a couple hours a week. Maybe if I was on the PS3 3-4 hours a day, I too would want something else.

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Warrior Poet
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:37:42 PM

Dunno. I'm a teen too but I'm not getting a new PS4 even if it comes out. The PS3 is so powerful and it hasn't been fully used - and most of the games we're playing today are really just HD versions of PS2 games. It was nowhere near the difference between PS1 and PS2, or SNES and PS1.

At this point the hardware is still ready to push out more and the games themselves aren't ready for a PS4 - we'd still be playing PS2 games on it. Besides that...I have too many great games to play already :P

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Random_Steve
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:16:48 PM

I'm a teen and I'm not excited for a new generation, think about the groundbreaking games yet to release - we don't need to get new hardware

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maxpontiac
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:13:22 AM
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Well, the only reason I would buy a PS4 is if Gran Turismo was a launch game.

Xbox? Wouldn't buy one anyways. The PlayStation takes care of everything.

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Clamedeus
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:18:38 PM

I'm with you on this.

The games that the 360 has I'm not interested in, I don't like Halo, I don't like Gears, not interested in Alan Wake. So, what would be the point in spending money on a console that doesn't have games that appeal to me? I would probably buy one if a game came out that I liked though. It depends on how good the game is.

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Temjin001
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:17:40 AM
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Right now I'm beginning to feel it. The feeling for wanting more. This is due in part because I know 6 years of hardware advancements can make for some tremendous improvements in game design. I think because right now the idea of the the next gen is more of what conceptually exists in my mind it doesn't become quite as wanting just yet. The desire for something that hasn't been unveiled yet.
Though, I have zero doubt that once the next gen hardware debutes, with game demos showcasing the next gen of assassins creed, metal gear and more, gamers by and large will be salivating to have a play. The carrot has yet to dangle in front of the herds' faces. And when it does, store shop campers will populate city streets to have one.

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 3:49:58 AM

Good point. We haven't seen next-generation games yet. Opinions may change when we have.

I lean towards sooner rather than later, providing it plays PS3 games.

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:25:18 AM
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"it feels like replacing a computer" -> That's exactly how it feels. It's just so much more than "just" a games console.
It plays my blu-ray movies, music CDs, series on DVD, stream playback from the media server, it's my music video player...
One gets attached to such a device!

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Temjin001
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:02:31 PM

Beamboom you should know that's like saying the motorcycle will replace the automobile ;) Where in realty the motorcycle is an automobile too. Sony has pushed hard to convince some governmental authorities that their Playstation consoles are categorically computers and not toys. Taxation reasons.

The thought that traditional desktop PCs are being replaced by phones, tablets, and game systems isn't inaccurate, but the scope of those statements shouldn't be made in blanketed generalizations. Ps3's may replace home media entertainment PCs in some homes, but seeing that PCs are functionally used in so many other areas of life, PCs aren't going away anytime soon.


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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:45:59 PM

No no, it feels like the ps3 *itself* is a computer that's being replaced (with a newer ps). At least that's how I understood that statement?

If not then I retract my first post here. :D Cause the PS3 will never become a PC substitute... Oh no!
But the PS3 itself is so much more than just a games machine, so my relationship with it is almost like if it was a computer. That's how I meant it. Well, it *is* a computer. It's just too closed to ever become as useful as a "real" computer. :)


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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 3:52:57 AM

Give the PS3 an e-mail client and a functioning browser and I'd (almost) never touch a PC.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 5:46:10 AM

Really? Wow, then you don't use your PC for much, I must say...!



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Eld
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:26:41 AM
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After Vita delay, it's clear there will be no ps4 next year, but MS may decide this a good opportunity to push xbox out the door toward end of next year.

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Stabs88
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:34:45 PM

Maybe....but it could all be that we are still in a depression. People are still hurting for money unlike the last few consols that came out. The specs are fine an i agree that we don't need another new system (Microsoft or Sony) for at least another 4 years. Sure start looking at what is out there....but no need to spend boocko bucks on something that wont be fully tapped into until a few years in.

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anjpikapp3
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:27:19 AM
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I am satisfied with my PS3's and if Sony released a new console I would definitely buy it (I'm a tech freak) but would really wonder why when the fall line up for the PS3 is utterly amazing.

As for the 360...I don't think Microsoft needs to release a new console but would like to see some more games as I have not purchased a game for it in about 2 years...? Anyone else having this problem? Gears 3 is the only game I have on my list and not seeing anything in the future line up that would make push me for a day 1 purchase.

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Carlight
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:52:03 AM

I have that problem also....I've had a 360 for 3 years and only have 5 games, I do not see any that I want in the future.

Now a PS4 I would buy on day 1 since there's usually something extra in the 1st version of the console

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slugga_status
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:14:58 PM

I hear you man. I only have Gears 2, Alan Wake, Mass Effect, and Halo Reach and ODST...really not to choose from out there...

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SoulController
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:28:25 AM
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Development time & cost are almost twice as much as the last generation. I think that's the biggest factor

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Vivi_Gamer
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 11:29:02 AM
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I'm not ready yet due to the lack of games this gen. I knw thats harsh But I am still expecting big things from developers, I want to see FFXV before the PS3 is finished or Tekken 7, a new Dead Space, Resident Evil. I would not expect the PS4 to be released untill 2014 and I cant see myself buying one until it goes down a bit so we're looking at 2015-16...PS3 still has far much to accomplish to reach the level of selection the PS1 and PS2

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OxyFenix
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:30:18 PM
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I'm not ready to buy one, I'm ready for an unveiling. Please just tease us! I wouldn't mind a ps4 unveiling for E3 2012 and a release date way later, like a year late in 2013-2014. But at least tease us, that's all I'm asking. I don't want a price tag, or a release date.

Sony should just aim for a early release date this time, right next to the next Xbox. If ps3 was released earlier, I bet it would be doing much better right now.

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BigStack007
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:37:32 PM
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Since we're already at 1080p there's nothing new graphics wise that a new console can do.We're already at the top of the graphics mountain.Only thing they can do is maybe add a better internet browser to the ps4 or some kinda apps program.I have both a PC and an i phone so i don't see anything that a new console would offer that i don't already have.I could see a NEW Xbox with a windows based OS & internet browser but that's about it.But as far as graphics go we're already there folks.1080p

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:42:13 PM

It's a gigantic mistake to assume we're at the "top of the graphics mountain."

1080p is hardly the max. And those who are old enough said, "can't get any better than this" with just about every new generation, starting with the original Nintendo.

If there's anything this industry's history has taught us, NOBODY can predict the future.

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anjpikapp3
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:30:25 PM

@ BigStack: just bc the current TVs can't handle the resolution does not mean the resolution can't get any better. Plus, most games are still only at x720 and we have barley tipped the x1080 aspect of gaming...you find me a 'good' game (on disc) at FULL x1080 and we can have this conversation again.

Side note: just think, x2160 is out there and a high possibility.

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:51:19 PM

A few months ago BBC got demonstrated a TV that has the same resolution as the human vision. They reported it was like looking out of a window.

We have hardly begun climbing that hill.


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___________
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 5:19:25 AM

ray tracing...........
nuf said!

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:31:42 AM

1080p is the top of the hill for now. There are multiple factors that make it likely that increasing resolution beyond 1080p will not happen for some time.

First of all, 1080p is not yet even nearly the ubiquitous standard that good old SDTV was, broadcasters haven't even moved t it yet, we're lucky if they even hit 1080i. HDTVs are just now beginning to hit the price points that drive mass adoption into every living room and then into the secondary rooms of the house. Until 1080p screens are in every room of the house, it's ridiculous to talk of higher resolution than that.

Secondly, a higher resolution than 1080p starts to hit the physical limits in terms of the resolution the human eye can perceive at a given distance on a given screen size. So if you take a 40-inch screen and quadruple the resolution (2160p), you will have to view it from a much shorter distance than for 1080p. You'd be close enough that you may have to turn/tip your head to look at different portions of the screen. There is an equation for deriving the smallest element the human eye can perceive and at what distance, basically it comes down to the human eye being good to about 1 arc second. You can use that to figure out the horizontal resolution detectible and at what distance. I remember reading a large and detailed analysis of this that showed that for full 1080p you need a screen in the 45-50 inch range and a viewing distance of about 8 feet was the ideal, and the point at which the eye can properly resolve the screen. A smaller screen cut the distance, and a larger screen increased it. If you double the horizontal resolution of the screen, you will have to sit considerably closer to be able to see the difference on a 'normal' sized screen.

there are other factors such as BluRay adoption, no one in Hollywood wanting to supply content at such fidelity (they were nervous of BluRay for that reason), and 3D adoption happening at 1080p which drives the video data flow requirements to quite high levels already.

PCs have higher resolution screens and graphics cards capable of driving that, but then we set 2-3 feet from our 19-26-inch monitors and so we can perceive the additional resolution - up to a point. Perhaps we ought to remember that console games are played on TVs, not desktop monitors? What a PC can do when maxed out is not a determinant of what a games console should do.

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Mamills
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:38:43 PM
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Nah, it would be stupid to release a new system now.

the jump in graphical fidelity would not be high enough. (The PS3 can still handle a lot of what devs are throwing at it)

but for SONY's Sake they better have something in the works, because launching late is a serious problem.

what they need to focus on is making it super easy for developers to create for it and ease of use for the general public. oh and PSN (Needs a major overhaul)

either way i said this b4 n im saying it again, im happy with my PS3 not buying another console until at least 2015

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BigStack007
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:47:17 PM
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Where are you getting a TV that runs higher than 1080p Ben?
Let us know when you find one cause i want one.If your suggesting that i'll have to buy a NEW TV to go with a NEW console then i'll keep my $$$.

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Eld
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:17:02 PM

Resolution is irrelevant at this point. What matters is various graphical effects current gen of consoles can not do. There is also issue with small memory, and having more processing power never hurts.

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slugga_status
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:17:43 PM

Use the reply button bro

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:26:16 PM

Maybe not TVs, but you read around the web of people whose monitors go up to 2560-ish.

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Beamboom
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:58:30 PM

How many games do you have that runs at 1080p?


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BikerSaint
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 12:50:47 PM
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My PS3 is in it for the long haul.

And I'm not even thinking about, or ready, for any next gen consoles yet.

And if my new sweetie should ever need repairs(knock on wood), those f*cking package bungling primates at the USPS will never get their hands on this one!!!!

BTW, they recently denied my insurance claim for my Phat Princess that they smashed.
They outright baldfaced lied & said I didn't send them all the info when I sent everything f*cking thing that they requested, so now I have to figure out what my next move against them is going to be.


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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:27:23 PM

Sorry to hear that. Threaten legal action, if that doesn't work, I'm out.

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BikerSaint
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:34:39 PM

Lawless,
I've got no money to sue.

But I'm seriously thinking of going over to my local congressman's office to see if he can light a fire under the USPS claims dept's a$$es helping me make them cough up the money to replace my smashed 60GB'er.

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Lawless SXE
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 3:34:30 AM

I know, that's why I said threaten ;P

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Lawless SXE
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:31:11 PM
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I keep feeling that there should be more in games, but whether any sense of satisfaction in that aspect would be derived from new consoles I don't know. I really don't think so. We've seen so many games that just aren't quite there yet on the PS3, and I think that there is still some way to go. Carmack and Guillemot can talk all they like about 'needing' new hardware but it's not essential yet, and I know that I wouldn't buy one. I mean hell, we've still only seen one GTA game this gen. We need another.

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slugga_status
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:31:15 PM
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I have to agree with something Ben said. It just seems that there's so much more that can be done with the PS3 right now. I still don't believe that we've seen the best game that the system can produce yet.

I think the 360 is pretty close to being maxed out if not maxed out already. But they're really trying to push kinect for system longevity.

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Helghast
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:36:18 PM
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Im not in a rush for new hardware, but if the PS4 is on it's way next year, so be it. For some reason the time between PS1 to PS2, then PS2 to PS3 felt so much longer, even though it has been about the same. I feel like I just got my PS3 two years ago for my birthday, but in reality I was a freshman in high school when I got it, now im about to be a freshman in college. This generation sure has flown past, and I still have a few games I need to play before next gen. Even if PS4 comes out next year, I think ill still wait about a year when the next model comes out and has any bugs worked out as well as cooler processors, and a bigger game library.

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Eld
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:51:29 PM
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Everyone keeps saying that they "feel" ps3 can do so much more. What exactly is it you feel ps3 can do so much more?

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BigStack007
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 1:58:49 PM
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Ok so there is a 2160p Tv.It's a Westinghouse and it's got a $50,000 price tag and nothing will run on it currently.lol.$50,000 for a TV + $600 to $800 for a next gen system.TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES..OK?

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BigStack007
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:35:56 PM

And BTW 2160p TV's are currently not available to regular consumers and are several years away from the consumer market.Sony probably won't ever allow another OS on a PS4 since the hack.But i could see a PS4 with a faster processor,better internet browser,maybe an apps program.Little stuff like that but there's still alot of life left in our PS3's.As far as Xbox maybe most of the same as stated above with a Windows based OS & internet browser and something to do with Skype.That's probably about it.Not much to do with gaming at all.Those of you who are waiting for Uber-Vision graphics got a while to wait and better have a ton of cash to shell out for it when and if it does come.

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Underdog15
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:49:41 PM

So... then you agree... we are not at the peak of graphics, then?

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:36:29 AM

2160p is currently in the pointless technology stage. There's no content at that resolution - and precious little at real 1080p for that matter. The only ones calling for 2160p are PC graphics whores who spend $1000s on multi GPU rigs to run their PC games at that resolution. I don't see why console gaming or consumer TV resolution should be driven by some elitist PC owners.

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Excelsior1
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:15:27 PM
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i'm sorry but with games struggling to reach even 30 fps 720p...that makes me very much want an upgrade. the current gen of consoles don't have a lot of ram either. i think that severely holds back what developers can do. the ps3 only has 256mb of video ram.

i think people sometimes forget just how much better a 60fps game plays, too. they just feel more responsive it would be nice to get to 1080p 60fps as a standard. then throw in a ton of ram, and some hardware based antialiasing. i think people make the mistake of thinking games can't look any better. i think that is wrong. we have a long ways to go, and i think next will offer a significant upgrade.

the current gen of consoles had their time. they had a good run and did their job. next gen will be on us soon. 2013 feels about right. i will be there day1 for sony's next system. i'm very excited to see what sony's game studios can pull off next gen.

i do understand some people are satisfied with the current gen. there is nothing wrong with that.

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Qubex
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:39:35 PM

"i'm sorry but with games struggling to reach even 30 fps 720p...that makes me very much want an upgrade."... totally agree...

My honest opinion is that most of us believed we were really buying into true HD hardware but it has fallen short to some extent. Yes, we can squeeze some incredible results from our current machine, but it is a squeeze. In fact, many of the multi-platform engines are giving us sub-par 720p graphics. The exclusives are better at optimising for the PS3, but it was never supposed to have been a squeeze if we were to believe the Sony hype.

Like Ben, I believe there is some more room to get some good quality games out of the system, but I too wouldn't rush out to get a PS4 if it were released tomorrow... unless the bar was significantly raised, like a true HD 3D VR headset for gaming was available with VR games too boot.

Anyway, we will see what gives in the next 24 months.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:13:56 PM

I'd be surprised if the next gen offers a lot of 60fps + 1080p games. It's going to cost developers significantly more money to make games that do that.

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Qubex
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 1:42:35 AM

That is true World... there is always the cost element... maybe that is why this generation will last longer than expected...

Q!

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 4:05:13 AM

I don't see how higher resolution and frame rate drives up production costs. Sure, textures might take more work, but I don't think anything else really needs to change. Current models are detailed enough and most animation is mo-capped.

And if ray tracing is possible, it might take *less* work on new systems.

Can you explain your reasoning? Or Highlander. ;D

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 6:24:23 AM

"I don't see how higher resolution and frame rate drives up production costs" -> Me neither... Other than *hardware* production cost. :)

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:22:12 AM

Higher framerate and resolution increases development costs because of the increased complexity of the data assets used to drive the graphics as well as the greater level of detail involved in rendering so many more detailed frames. I don't see how anyone can say that they don't see why that increases costs, look at the difference in game development costs going from the 480i gaming generation of the PS2 to the 720p generation of the PS3. Get real people increased framerates and resolution cost money.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 11:03:57 AM

If you go long enough back in time a typical game were developed by *one* person. Of course development cost were smaller then. Now it's like a rooster of 150 persons, but that has hardly much to do with how many pixels and frames the engine is able to push through the hardware?

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 12:32:31 PM

BeamBoom, of course it has something to do with that. The artwork is now far more important because of the resolution. So you need the artists, and checkers and people to digitize it and clean it up digitally. Then you need characters animators, background animators, physics specialists, database programmers, physics programmers, AI programmers, all of the solid physics, animation and AI are totally necessary for higher framerates and resolution.

Sorry, but you're way off base if you;re thinking that a small team can pull off a game like Uncharted 3. But, if that game was running at PS1 resolution you would absolutely require fewer people because the demands of the animation, physics and all other aspects of the game would be so very much more limited. If you scale the graphics and framerate in the other direction, you can see the costs escalating as they always have when there has been a leap in resolution.

All this is pointless since higher than 1080p is pretty much pointless in the home anyway, and no where near happening.

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Beamboom
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 @ 1:59:15 AM

No I am not thinking a small team can pull off todays top games. You are misunderstanding. You brought up the size of the teams. I am just saying that has very little to do with resolution, but, as you say, animations, physics, the sheer fact that the new hardware offer more capacity in ram, cpu, gpu etc.
It would be more precise to blame higher cost on faster cpu and more ram, than on resolution!

The earlier teams were not smaller because of the number of pixels, but to the fact that the *games* were so much simpler conceptually - regardless of resolution.
To put it this way: Had Pacman or Space Invaders run at 1080p it would *not* require a larger team to create that same identical game. It's just rendered at a higher resolution.

Allow me to use a very simple example to illustrate my point:

If we wrote some code to draw a sphere on the screen, glued a bitmap image onto that, placed ten light sources evenly spread around that sphere, and let the camera rotate around the sphere at a given speed, those lines of code would be *identical* regardless of the hardware rendering this at 360, 720 or 1080p. That is a hardware challenge, not code. If this animation ran smooth or not depends on the hardware - how the light reflected on the sphere likewise - the amount of coding work is identical.
If you see what I mean?


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Beamboom
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 @ 3:42:48 AM

... To further elaborate: This is why all relevant PC games has resolution as one of the game settings - not just because it is needed cause of hardware differences, but also because it is so easy to implement, it quite literary is just a variable setting!
To allow that game to be run in a wide range of resolutions do *not* add much to production cost.

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Warrior Poet
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:47:22 PM
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Let's take a look a Legend of Mana. Look at that ridiculous beauty...

http://ui21.gamefaqs.com/1620/gfs_50597_1_11.jpg

It runs at 320x244, and it was one of the last games released for PS1.

Graphics and smooth framerate are very important, I agree with you - but there's more to technical and artistic mastery than throwing more RAM at it.

Although I don't need a PS4 antyime soon, I can't wait till we get really late in the generation and we really see what the PS3 can do :)

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:11:35 PM

LoM's hand-drawn artistry remains an absolute triumph for any generation of gaming.

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Beamboom
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 6:26:36 AM

Yeah, the quality of graphics and artistry has little to do with resolution. A higher resolution is just a bonus. :)

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sha4dowknight05
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 2:51:30 PM
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I would get one if I was really dying to play other games, but for now I think I am satisfied with the playstation 3 and what it has to offer. But really I hope new console don't come out until 2014 or 2016 at least because the ps3 and xbox 360 are still going very strong.

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Nlayer
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:02:09 PM
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I'm very ready for the PS4 to come out right now so that when I'm ready to buy it there will be a large price-cut. Haha.

Joking aside. I'm really looking forward to the next generation of gaming. I think it's somewhat correct to think we don't need one next year. I just hope that when it does come out they make sure it's very advanced. Right now I think it wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

Which is why I just bought a $1400 PC so I can future-proof myself until the PS4 comes out. I am contempt on using my PS3 for most all games, but certain games like "Battlefield 3" I will only play on the PC so that I can partake in the "complete" experience. (Games like "Battlefield 3" seem like PC exclusives to me, just my opinion). =]

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Fane1024
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 4:11:10 AM

"contempt" oops ;)

So, you'd drop $1400 on a PC, but cheap out on a PS4. For shame.


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Nlayer
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 @ 4:20:24 PM

Oh wow, I totally didn't mean "contempt". I was in a rush! "Content" is the word I was looking for, lol. Sorry about that.

Haha. Oh don't worry, just like the PS3 I'll be there on day one that the PS4 releases no matter what the price is. The PC is a good machine to entertain me with awesome graphics and such until the PS4 comes out though. :D

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 3:29:00 PM
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I think there is a misconception that with the next generation all our troubles will be fixed. By troubles I mean both unforgivable technical problems on behalf of multiplat devs and the scaling back of our gaming experience.

You know the former, so of the latter I'll say this: we are not supposed to be navigating menus instead of worlds, we are not supposed to be simplifying gameplay, we are not supposed to be focused on gimmicks like motion and 3D, we are not supposed to have 90% of games be shooters, we are not supposed to leave behind genres that are good like horror, jrpgs, brawlers, and sealth, our games are not supposed to sacrifice single player for multiplayer... and on and on.

A new console won't magically fix these things and the things that are wrong could easily have been made right during THIS generation.

So I say no, I don't want them to release a console generation too soon because it would just be an ineffective panacea to shut up lazy devs and extort gamers who wanted more out of this generation but didn't get it.

Fix what's wrong now, then make it greater next gen, don't fix things WITH the next gen. That's the lesson we are left with when gaming decided not to build on what the PS2 had accomplished.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:19:54 AM

As you say, new console hardware will not solve crappy programming.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:53:10 PM
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dammit i want that 2160p tv someone was talking about....

1080p not enough

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Qubex
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 1:43:49 AM

Lol!

Q!

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:19:13 AM

My eyes hurt just thinking about that.

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Robochic
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 5:54:36 PM
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Not ready for the "next gen" console still enjoying my this gen console :)
Would never get an xbox due to the issues I have seen across the board and nothing interests me.

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Zen_Zarab
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:03:20 PM
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I'll be getting a xbox and a laptop for myself during the holiday season. I've been meaning to play some of those exclusive dlc games on the xbox and I can't wait to play Guild Wars 2 on mah PC. :P

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I007spectre
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 6:57:30 PM
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Im upgrading from psp to vita.

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Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 9:35:21 PM
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I get the same feeling that it's only been a few years and systems haven't been pushed to their limit although I *know* in some cases it has been. It's a strange feeling I've never had in all my console enjoying history.

I'm not ready to buy a next gen system but I do want things to progress.

Musing... If the next system was compatible with this system, same OS, migration included can play all the same games and publishers still focused on this gen system it might feel different.

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Crabba
Monday, August 08, 2011 @ 9:48:11 PM
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There are so many games out there already I still haven't had time to play, so I'm certainly in no rush for a PS4, but I can't lie and I would still love to see some tech specs for the PS4, and maybe a teaser tech demo video :)

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___________
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 5:30:05 AM
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i most definitely want new consoles, only then will we have half a chance of seeing what our 4GHz I7s and dual 590GTXs can really do!
im sick of these crappy console ports, its time to stretch the limits of what hardwares out there, regardless what platform it is!
console wise every month almost were seeing a new benchmark!
PC on the other hand its barely moved in 6 f*cking years!
but the industry nor the hardware is ready for a new launch.
so many types of arch out there its impossible to pick whos gonna win, and we dont want another HD DVD vs bluray debacle!
no one likes betting on the wrong horse, especially when that much moneys involved!
hell, toshiba were so confident in HD DVD every laptop they sold came with it!
oh boy, what a mistake that was!!!!!
to be honest developers are not ready for them yet!
yea they say they are, but look at 99.9999999999% of engines today!
most of todays games are still running on old engines, FB2, cry engine 3, and a few small independent engines are really the only ones out there really specifically made for this gen!
release hardware now and will get the same thing we got this gen.
next gen hardware running on a modified last gen engine.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 09, 2011 @ 10:43:50 AM
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Personally, I am content to wait another 2-3 years for a new console. First of all, even if the 360 is tapped out - which it is - the PS3 is not - yet. PS3 will likely begin to hit the peak of it's capability with the coming round of '3' games such as Uncharted 3. There may be further improvements possible, but you are getting into diminishing returns territory there. So I think that 2012 will be the year that PS3 peaks, and 2013 will be the year everyone really starts looking for the PS4. That said, just like the PS2 before it, as smaller game makers continue to develop their expertize and obtain better tools, games from the smaller dev houses will continue to improve in quality through 2012 and beyond. Even the 1st party studios and other AAA game makers will still put out major games with slight improvements, but I don't think that we will see any major leaps beyond this coming wave of games.

But either way, this is academic to me because Sony wants 2012 to be the year of Vista, and MS has to somehow pay for all that Kinect marketing and the free Xbxo360s it's giving away like happy meal toys with Dell PC purchases. Microsoft has continued to buy market share in NA, and it's costly. I don't think that their upper management or shareholders will stomach another major financial bath during 2012.

Not to mention it looks rather like we are headed for a second recession (thanks Republicans). If that is the case, 2012 should be a year for consolidating on your success and not making a large investment in a major new product.

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Thursday, August 11, 2011 @ 3:07:07 PM
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If it's not broken, don't fix. Companie supgrade for upgrades sake, and to make more money. The current gen works fine, cna still be improved on. What could a next gen system do that these can't? Without fulfilling a need, nobody will buy them except the ultra diehard fans. I have yet to see anybody offer up a need.

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SS4
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 12:27:06 AM
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I'm sounding like a broken record now but if you look at the Horsepower in a cheap PC (Lets not even compare to a gaming PC because its world apart), you can see that our current gaming console are hurting really badly, especially on the graphic front with Video card in them that would get outperform by today's 20$ OEM cards...

They have done great to last 7 year on the same hardware because hardware double in power every 18 months, but now it is really time to move on to something from this day an age and let the old hardware get a well deserved rest.

I know some wont agree but do a bit of research and you will see that the hardware of current consoles is obsolete and some new consoles would just increase performance so much.

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