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Explore Sewers In RAGE, But Only If You Buy It New

Well, it isn't an online pass but it's another incentive to purchase a game new rather than pre-owned.

During an interview with Eurogamer, id Software creative director Tim Willits confirmed that certain areas of RAGE would only be open to those who bought the game new. See, there are these sewer hatches scattered around the environment and you won't be able to jump in and explore if you got the game used. Basically, you'd have to pay for the privilege of checking 'em out. But Willits clarified:

"Most people never even see it. I can tell you, some people will buy Rage, download that, and still never set foot in those things. They just won't. I think that's fair. It's cool. It's outside the main path. We're not detracting from anything. But I know some consumers, when you can't avoid it, then you get a little touchy subject."

So it's not like we're losing anything, but you can bet those who often buy games used will be a little miffed. We'll have to see the game before passing judgment but for now, those sewer hatches don't sound all that significant. It's not like they're cutting out whole landscapes, ya know?

Related Game(s): RAGE

Tags: rage, id software, used games, rage ps3

8/12/2011 12:17:30 PM Ben Dutka

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Comments (105 posts)

maxpontiac
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 12:25:55 PM
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Wow. It's now going to singleplayer?

This does not look good.

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Karosso
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:24:58 PM

This game has just become a "DNP" (Day Never Purchase).
Tim Willits, Carmack and ID can go lick themselves in a sewer for all I care.

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___________
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 3:30:07 AM

your loss your going to miss out on one of the generations best games!

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Mounce
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 11:56:20 AM

I think people are going to overreact about this. They make a 'What if' scenario as if 'What if I were to be one to buy this used' - Knowingly now, you'd know that you'd not get the full game so the company can protect themselves from the Used-Game-sales bullsh** of the gaming industry, and people like Karosso will only think selfishly as to OH BAWWWWW They're doing something to protect themselves and it's not DRM or something! And then add some immature insult towards the developers.

Karosso and to anyone else like him. Grow the fu** up. It's either you support the developer and buy their game, or you don't buy it at all, or wait til it goes to $29.99 or something. Whining about how they try to ensure less people buy used, which is to say, people buying used games, they get ZERO PROFIT when it's still their game.

Beyond that then, it goes to ________________ whom said what anyone else should say, 'Your loss', it's your fault you're whining over something so miniscule, and am sure it's people like Karosso who use these moments as a retarded excuse to say it's okay for them to pirate games to 'Fight the big bad corporations'.

Again, grow the fu** up.

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 @ 1:26:30 AM

Mounce, I'll tell you what gets me. It the games industry whining about used game sales when no other industry does anything about it.

They should NOT be doing anything to stop it.
That is why some of us are objecting.

Support the Dev?? I'm sorry, when did they stop being just another business and become my best friend?

This is the only industry where it happens and I just cannot see why there are gamers oout there who go along with it. Would you support this restriction if it was applied in some way to ANY other industry? EVERY other industry?

Games are no different to cars or books or movies imo. They should not get a free pass on this sort of nonsense just because some gamers build a wierd personal attachment to a handful of Devs or publishers.

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PAKINIPS
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 12:33:22 PM
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This is the way to do it

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Cuetes
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 12:38:02 PM
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Gotta say this does feel like the beginning of a bad thing. I don't believe this is a good move and the more time passes the more I feel these companies need to rethink their strategy, Pennie pinching the gamer to fatten your wallet seems like bad business. I really feel companies need to be reminded of who gave them that money to build these games and who bought them, without us they are nothing.

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johnld
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:30:55 PM

let me drop some common sense a bit, if it sounds offensive, i'm not trying to. just trying to get my point across.

This isnt really penny pinching. every new copy comes with everything. from what he's saying, it seems like the sewers arent really a big deal. i'm assuming of course that the sewers are most likely just a different and faster way to travel accross the map like in other games. if you're pissed because you are getting "shafted" when you buy used. all i have to say is that you get what you paid for. you believe you're getting the shaft when you lose stuff when you buy used. however, you're basically giving the developer the shaft by purchasing the game used in the first place.

now to my main point.

"I really feel companies need to be reminded of who gave them that money to build these games and who bought them, without us they are nothing."

In this context, this statement seems like a complete joke to me. Why the hell should game devs care about you? if you buy games new, this is no problem for you. the only ones this affect are used game purchasers. The fact that you buy used means you dont support the game developers. they dont get any profit from potential customers. which means YOU arent giving the game developers money to build games at all. so basically they are favoring the customers who buy the game new, which are the people who are giving them money to build new games.

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bearbobby
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:33:12 PM

@Cuetes

If you buy the game new, not necessarily $60, just new, then you have access to the full experience including these optional areas. If you buy it used you don't get access to the optional areas, not affecting the main story at all.

How are they penny pinching? If you don't buy it new, but rather a used copy, they don't see that money at all. Maybe you need to be reminded that they don't owe you anything if you don't pay them anything.

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bearbobby
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:34:43 PM

johnld got there first looks like. Good on you friend.

lol

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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:38:07 PM

Johnld, is that to say you'll be upset when it's something significant?

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maxpontiac
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:51:43 PM

johnld -

Speaking of common sense..

Sewers today, wasteland tomorrow.

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Cuetes
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:13:40 PM

@johnld....I understand perfectly whats going on, I can read. Second your common sense is two headed, that is to say devs don't owe me but I don't owe them either. As far as the rest of your comments I choose to see it my way and ignore yours:) I buy games new all the time, my point ( which totally went passed your head) is simple, it start here and ends with you paying for every small thing, because of what? Are devs starving or something? So why should I care if they don't get jack from a resold item?
@maxpontaic......glad to see somebody was truly looking at common sense.

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johnld
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:01:48 PM

@clair
yes, i believe i would be upset if they have taken out significant things, who wouldnt. however this situation doesnt really affect me because i buy new. i dont have to buy the game day 1 but i still buy it new when it goes on sale. my problem was with the statement cuetes made about companies needing to learn where the money comes from to pay for building games. he made the comment on an article that says if you buy new, you get access to this extra stuff. however, the only ones that would really be affected with this decision are the people who buy used games. these are the people that buy the games but doesnt support the developer financially. so in basically, its like a person who buys used games telling the developers that i buy your games so i'm entitled to whatever you make. however, none of the money he used to buy the game went to the developers. although i have to say that they shouldve gave more detail on what we will miss without the sewers.

@maxpontiac
i'm not an english major but i believe sewers and wasteland are completely different by definition. so if you're saying that the sewers can become part of a wasteland, it could be true. but in this situation, the wasteland and sewers in the game seem to be different locations.

@cuetes
if you buy your games new, you get the full experience. my point was that the ones affected by this decision are the used game buyers. when you said that they need to learn where the money are coming from to build these games, it started to fall apart. when you look at it objectively, if you buy a used game, it doesnt help the videogame industry. by the way when i say videogame industry, i'm talking about the flow between the developers and customers who actually support them by buying new copies. you can basically see used game customers as leeches in this industry. No offense to anyone by the way, just trying to come up with a visual. they enjoy the benefits in the industry and sometimes expect more from it but never really contribute to it. when people buy used, they get to enjoy a product that the developers worked so hard to create. however, the way they see it is that you are a loss of a potential customers, profit wise of course.

look, if you buy new thats good for you, there shouldnt be a problem. the fact is that taken from the article, they arent charging you for the sewers. when you buy the game new, you get access to the sewer section, nothing lost. i understand what your worried about, that they're going to start cutting more and more from the game just to "fight used game sales". but the thing is that most of the people that will have a problem with this are the ones who buy used games. you cant really say that the money they get to build their games comes from you if you are buying games used. fact is that devs dont get anything from that used purchase.

"Are devs starving or something? So why should I care if they don't get jack from a resold item?"

Theres a problem right there. Do you really believe that they all have huge amounts of resources to keep making videogames? i guess you havent heard of development studios closing left and right recently.

why should you care if the devs dont get jack from a resold item? really.... are you blind or just choosing not to see it. cost of game development is going up, ben even touched on it on the last psxextreme home video. These costs are what game sales are used to cover. every used game sales to them is lost profit. profit that they can use to either cover the cost of development or funding/improving their next game. first party developers may get funding from companies like sony but third party devs mostly have to do it on their own.

think of it this way devs make their game, customers buy the game, dev gets profit and makes more/better games, and the cycle continues resulting in better/more games. the used game market is like a leak in this cycle. developers makes games, customers buy it, profit leaks out due to used game sales, devs lose money making a game so they need to cut back on things, cycle continues until the development studio closes.

i just have to stay, i have no problem is people buying used games at all. my problem mainly the entitlement that people feel while buying used. They want all these things but does nothing to support it. kinda like people in politics who say they want this and that but dont even bother to vote but gets pissed if the results dont favor what they want. this is just a comparison by the way, i really dont like talking politics but seems like a good comparison. i hate politics.

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mastiffchild
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 5:39:27 PM

Look, I'm a musician and I lose out top piracy every day of the week-and it's still as bad as theft because if someone gets your stuff for free they won't then buy it so lets not have semantics over that one. However, if someone has bought my CD and doesn't feel they want to keep it I should have made a better recording to begin with. Simple as that and the same for game developers and used game sales, online passes and this BS too.

I'm sure most of us prefer, as do I, to buy games new but, also, i'm certain many of us have been in dire financial straights from, time to time when we couldn't have stayed in touch with gam,es had we nopt been able top get used games. Used games profit developers in two ways as I see it-they kleep existing gamers gaminmg when otherwise they might leave during tight times for more inclusive hobbies and they also allow kids to become fans of developers and these kids are the big game buyers of tomorrow too-don't tell me that used salwes hurt gaming any more than someone selling on my CD hurts mde yet not once have I heard an industry figure do anything LIKE say "well, should've made a game they wanted to keep!".

As for this particular shenanigan-it might effect what your GS/trophy is at the end of the game and also makes the poor gamer feel left out of the loop which might alienate them against THJIS dev or even against gaminbg which is an expensive hobby to start with. Other industries complain WAY, WAY less about used sales than gaming and some of the ways they're going about this is just going to excuse more piracy in the long run. "the industry is just greedy and rips us all off when they can! Why shouldn't we pirate games?"-this is what moves like this allow pirates to say and also makes used game buyers feel close to criminal when they're just, often, victims of circumstance and finance.

Another thing: iD are charging to go in the sodding sewers? THAT'S the bonus for buying new?? Why not go the whole hog and have dockyard DLC with loads of crates!! Seriously, SEWERS? Haven't we kind of done sewers already? Kind of makes me feel I'll buy it used just to avoid a cliche! O)therwise I just think all this stuff to combat used sales is short sighted and will be very counterproductive and lead to fewer future core gamers and fewer ardent fans of great developers who give in to their greed and don't pick up the challenge of making experiences so good we might want to keep them, like other industries would do without crying about it all the damn time. Poor, poor devs!

Loads of my gaming mates recently got made redundant from the local shipyard and now they can no longer afford new games they're forced to feel like criminals just to stay in touch with their hobby? And if it's "no big deal" why bother anyway? I think publishers and developers have some skewed idea about who buys used games because it's generally poor people who won't have the cash for a new game and thus won't magic up the money for an online pass etc just because Insomniac or EA want them to. They'll just buy something else or move away from gaming.

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dual soul
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 5:46:34 PM

My main problem is the fact that these areas have to be downloaded. If you don't have access to the internet, you are effectively being punished even if you buy the game new.

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 12:39:21 PM
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The more I hear about companies battling against the pre-owned industry, the more furious I get, Youd don't see film or music companies getting angry and they have been affected far more than the gaming industry with pirated and used goods.

Personally I think full retail is a joke, its 3 times as much as a music Cd or Film. I simple cannot afford money on a new game everytime, infact I only buy certain games I am obbssed with like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Tekken and so on. most other games I wait for a price reduction.

What really gets my goat is that they expect you to pay full retail price, when most of the time they hide DLC until a later date, so when it comes to people buying games used I can only see it as fair nowadays.

As for RAGE... I won't lie I don't care for it, so in light of this event I hope it flops.

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Temjin001
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:07:35 PM

What will you do when the next major Tekken games have playable characters locked out from play if it's purchased used? Hmmmm hmmmm?

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Vivi_Gamer
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:22:59 PM

What you mean like Mortal Kombat? Well one of Tekkens new gimmicks is is massive roaster, so I dont think it will happen with that series.

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Temjin001
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:32:16 PM

Devil Paul and Jungle Law you know you'll want 'em =p

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Excelsior1
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:26:50 PM

good point ultima. what makes games so special they are allowed to double dip? i think it is just arrogant presumption by the publishers. what about the people who do not even have the internet? i thought about that a lot when i was trying to redeem my damn mass effect 2 code for 4 days. ea had the comic and all the add on missions locked out by the stupid code. you are missing out on many hrs of gameplay without that code.

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Beamboom
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 12:47:54 PM
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I knew it! I just *knew* this whole online pass idea was going to affect single player games too, not just multiplayer. The single player devs would want a piece of the pay too. I just knew it.

This is indeed only the beginning and it is *not* to our advantage, no matter what kind of gamer you are or how you twist and turn it. It just isn't!


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Excelsior1
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:13:48 PM

@beamboom

no kidding. i hate to qoute myself but back on the ubisoft jumps in the online pass thread i said: "i have a strong feeling this online pass system won't end at the multiplayer. it's only a matter of time before it makes its way into sp experience."

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Beamboom
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:17:16 PM

I know, Excelsior! This is one giant "what DID we say". This has nothing to do with online gaming or maintainance costs or whatnot, this has to do with greed, plain and simple. They are doing it because they can.
The technology is there so it is only *one* challenge left: To gain our acceptance.


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Qubex
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:10:33 PM
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Pretty disgusting... I guess they like to insult their customers and make us feel like idiots... I am sorry... the online pass was already a stretch... Probably best if they never mentioned anything like this...

I guess Rage will enrage a few people...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:12:08 PM
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So f-ing lame! I absolutely HATE the idea of single player content being locked online. It makes more sense for MP because in order to play multiplayer you have to have an online connection anyways. But with single player, anyone who doesn't have an Internet connection gets screwed. Locking SP content is a horrible idea, and one that will probably catch on. This was a game I was very interested in. Now, I'll think about it at bargain bin.

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maxpontiac
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:56:10 PM

Of course closing off the sewers, while sounding harmless, will in all likelihood house some advanced weaponry or armor.

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Beamboom
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:16:05 PM

Next time it's just some minor "boring" side quests that "no one really wanna do anyway". So it goes. Slowly, but surely.


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Temjin001
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:16:26 PM
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All of the world owes me to do things my way. I dont care if it's business. I'm entitled. I used to be able to get full games used, therefore I should ALWAYS be able to get full games used. Any deviation from this model is an ATTACK against me and how I want things. I'll scream and shout all I can about how Id sooner quit playing games before being a victim of economic adaptation. That is, until I realize my worthless efforts at upholding my offenses will eventually succumb to paying and doing whatever is asked of me, because, in the end, I'm ultimately playing games for the entertainment I'm hooked on.

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WolfCrimson
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:25:15 PM

The moral of the story is, a sense of entitlement doesn't get you anything, but thinking straight does. And in this case, thinking straight tells me this is a pretty disgusting move by the guys behind RAGE.

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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:32:44 PM

Companies enjoy customers like you. :/

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Excelsior1
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:47:04 PM

i must stand with temjin on this. games should never get segmented in this way. i agree with the poster above who said dnp(day never purchase). never liked carmack or id, anyways. they've never shown much rrespect for the ps3 platform.

i told you guys it would only be a matter of time before this bs impacted sp games, too.

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Temjin001
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:51:44 PM

No they don't Claire. Because not all of their customers will whine and moan about injustice before giving them their money ;)




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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:53:49 PM

Well, sarcastically whine anyways..

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DIsmael85
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:27:09 PM

Well don't we all know that devs make no money off of used games? So let's all buy used take the money away from the Devs. Oh wait look, we can't have high quality games anymore because they aren't making money. Folks it's how we get the crap we get. You know games cost money to make. If folks don't spend the money companies lose out, and then guess what. They shut their doors. Then what do we do? We complain and complain that all the good companies are making crap. We guess how that happens.

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Beamboom
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:45:13 PM

So how can the movie business still exist then, DISmael? Or music industry? Or furniture companies? Car manufacturers? Toys, watches, houses, boats, books, tools, clothes, audio equipment, games consoles, video cameras, PCs, or *any* other manufacturer of things we trade second hand?
How can they even exist, when they don't get a share of the second hand market? Surely they must all have had to shut their doors by now, this long after Ebay was created?


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DIsmael85
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:53:45 PM

@Beamboom. You know I thought about bringing up the movie business. :P You pose good questions there my friend, however, I don't see Warner Bros. hurting over making crappy movies since they make so many. Yeah I suppose game companies could just bring out a crap ton of games and hope to make money off of one of them and bank, but I believe the movie industry and game industry work a bit different. However, since we aren't on a movie, music, etc website I wont jump into my opinion on all that. Since this is about Rage and what the Gaming companies may do down the road with in-game content I'll stick to that. I'm not saying folks shouldn't buy games used or rent them. What I am saying is that people complaining about something you are being provided, assuming you buy the game "NEW", is weird. They are providing their customers with something for buying the game new. If you don't buy it new then you don't deserve to get what they are providing. Yeah it sounds harsh, but I don't get the awesome 10 dollar off coupon if I buy this special boxset used. (Not pin pointing that at anything in particular just saying). Buy it new, get the content, buy it used maybe purchase the content later. I doubt this content will be ground breaking, but if you really have to have it, buy it new.

I bet if you bought this game "New" on Ebay you'd get that content.

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Beamboom
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:08:17 PM

You are evading my point completely, Dismael.
Fact of the matter is this: They only do this because they can. It has nothing to do with the quality of their products. Their only focus is to milk as much out of us as technically possible. It's not like games have the smallest margins out there. Just look at what they can sell their games at and still earn money just a few months after release. This is *not* out of need, but greed.

And regarding movies, I have seen *way* more artistic integrity and fantastic creations on the silver screen over the years than I've seen from my gaming screen. To even imply that all movies are trash since they don't get a share of the second hand trading is... Well... It's beyond silly, with all due respect.


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DIsmael85
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:20:31 PM

@Beamboom. Cool your jets homie. Never said movies are trash. Don't really, personally, care how many movies you have seen. That's great. I want you to take a step back for a second. As for the "need and greed" situation, I think folks are being greedy to expect a company to give give give when we feel like we don't need to give anything in return. Let's read what johnld posted. It actually sums up my feelings about this:

"Theres a problem right there. Do you really believe that they all have huge amounts of resources to keep making videogames? i guess you havent heard of development studios closing left and right recently.

why should you care if the devs dont get jack from a resold item? really.... are you blind or just choosing not to see it. cost of game development is going up, ben even touched on it on the last psxextreme home video. These costs are what game sales are used to cover. every used game sales to them is lost profit. profit that they can use to either cover the cost of development or funding/improving their next game. first party developers may get funding from companies like sony but third party devs mostly have to do it on their own.

think of it this way devs make their game, customers buy the game, dev gets profit and makes more/better games, and the cycle continues resulting in better/more games. the used game market is like a leak in this cycle. developers makes games, customers buy it, profit leaks out due to used game sales, devs lose money making a game so they need to cut back on things, cycle continues until the development studio closes.

i just have to stay, i have no problem is people buying used games at all. my problem mainly the entitlement that people feel while buying used. They want all these things but does nothing to support it. kinda like people in politics who say they want this and that but dont even bother to vote but gets pissed if the results dont favor what they want. this is just a comparison by the way, i really dont like talking politics but seems like a good comparison. i hate politics."

I'm not on here personally attacking anyone in particular. I am just giving my feedback and opinion on the article and comments. I personally see nothing wrong with id's decision to do this. You lose out on nothing if you purchase new. Please do not deviate from this. To me it only seems as if it's about grasping at thin air now.

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johnld
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:30:25 PM

they may still exist but they are all in decline. remember when gm, i think, was saved because of that buyout thing. i never paid much attention to it. all i remember was that they were going bankrupt and i think it was the government who decided to save them by some sort of buyout. movies, yeah, theyre in decline to. its the reason why we keep getting recycled stuff right now. theres probably a lot of cost cutting going on there too. as for toys, aside from babies, i dont see a lot of them playing toys anymore. at least not like when i was young.

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Excelsior1
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 12:41:02 AM

@dismael

i notice you totally sidestep the question about used sales in every other industry. they are still in business. what about people who do not have their consoles hooked up to the internet? the ps3 has about 80% of its console hooked up to the internet. the 360 close to 70%. that adds up to lot of people.

most good publisher's have managed to thrive as the game business has grown. sure, it's a tough business, but the fact is very few developers that make great games are hurting for money. if they are i'm willing to bet they made poor decisions along the way. la noire 7r development cycle anyone?

hell there are game companies that don't even make good games that are still in business. finally what makes games so damn special they deserve to be exempt from part of a free market system we have?

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backatcha00
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:27:30 PM
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I was going to purchase new, now i'm crossing it off the list. Not that my measly purchase sends any sort of message.

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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:29:19 PM

Well, me too so that makes 2.

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Excelsior1
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:50:02 PM

count me in as well. so that's 3 who will never buy this game. it does add up you know.

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Clamedeus
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:59:32 PM

Me 4. :o

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Him
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:57:48 PM

Me 5

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matt99
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:09:29 PM

Statistically you're right, losing one customer is not that big of a loss, but as you can see one person saying they wont buy a game can have an influence on others and pretty soon the number of lost customers becomes significant. So to stop this kind of thing from spreading to other games, we as gamers must make it loud and clear that we are not going to buy products with these kinds of restrictions. If a big enough stink is made then gaming companies may re-think some of these scams.

...oh and me 6

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Beamboom
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:10:07 PM

Count me in: 7

What else can we do... At least we can say we tried. No matter how hopeless an attempt. :)


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ColTater
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:46:29 PM

I'll still rent it.

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Crabba
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:52:08 PM

Me 8! I will NEVER support this type of behavior, and as we can all see, as long as people go along with it and don't take a stand, it's only going to get worse!!

Give them a finger, and they'll take your hand, that's how it works.

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Pandacastro
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 5:28:34 PM

They already lost $480!!

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onyotix
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 6:33:25 PM

me 9! so this year uc3,ico collection and bf3 are my day1 purchase

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Fane1024
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 7:16:37 AM

Unfortunately, none of your boycotts will send the message you want to send if iD doesn't know that *you* didn't buy their game and *why* you didn't buy their game.

People are over-simplifying the relationship between used game sales and developers, but I have to agree with those who feel this sort of incentivization is reasonable, even justified. I also think the accusations of avarice are baseless. The companies don't actually want customers to pay the extra fees (e.g., online passes or the DA:O release-day DLC); as in this case, they just want them to buy the game new, whether immediately or after price-drops.

My only concern is that these incentive programs tend to have unforeseen side effects like the inability for members of the same household to share a game or the inability to play the game when your internet connection (or PSN!) is down.

p.s. I won't be buying Rage because it's (mostly) a FPS.



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Spanky
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:30:26 PM
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...and I though DLC was bad! :P

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Oxvial
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:30:41 PM
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People are going to Rage at Rage for this.

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BikerSaint
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:32:01 PM
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Wow, way to f*cking stick it to the SP mode players who can't afford to buy new anymore due to to job loss(like myself), or many other factors beyond their control.

Consider me enraged!

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maxpontiac
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:54:08 PM

Indeed BikerSaint.


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DIsmael85
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:22:44 PM

I don't see how that's their fault. Sorry man, I feel for you on not having a job at the moment. It's pretty tough, maybe gaming shouldn't be at the forefront for now.

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Teddie9
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:33:37 PM
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I think he should've elaborated on those sewers - It doesn't feel like much of an incentive at the moment.

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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:39:25 PM

It seems like he's playin it down like it's nothing. If it were nothing, it wouldn't be locked and no one would care.

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BeezleDrop
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:42:40 PM
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Perhaps, there is really great loot to be found in the sewers. Or some Easter Egg somewhere. Regardless this doesn't really make me feel like the "incentive" really wows me. Perhaps if id locked out the Vehicle Battle Warfare instead of any SP aspects it would have been more accepted. By me anyway.

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Karosso
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:47:50 PM
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What an aptly named game...
Might wait until they are selling it new for like 10 dollars, that's how much their sewage... I meant sewer is worth it :)

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High187
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:55:49 PM
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What happens when the game is no longer available new or people who play sp because they have no internet.

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maxpontiac
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:57:15 PM

Uh oh..

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Claire C
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 1:59:12 PM

When you approach the sewer a message should pop up saying, "guess what kid, you just got f**ked!"

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Gordo
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 10:47:17 PM

Exactly. My work pays for my Internet at home and so I can't hook my PS3 up. That doesn't worry me normally as I don't play multiplayer.

My single player experience however,is now frequently being degraded.

I bought Mass Effect 2 new. Start with the comic? Not without downloading it you can't.

I fancied Borderlands GOTY edition. What's on the disk? The original game. All the DLC had to be downloaded... What's the point of the disk!!!

Now Rage. Pay full price and get penalised for not being on the net.

By all means penalise me for buying used. I can understand the rationale. Penalise me for not connecting to the net? Your game falls off my "buy new" list.

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Ludicrous_Liam
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:06:58 PM
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I don't even buy games anymore, never mind pre-owned LOL...

I just cannot afford them, what with no job and the fact that my mom thinks buying me a game is £40 down the drain... :/

But it does make your appreciate games alot more. LBP2 has allocated practically all of my gaming time the past couple of months, mainly because thats the only new game I've had for ages, but also because I've (had to) played it so much, I have passed that initial barrier, that screen that obscures the depth beyond; my extra time with it has let me see that it has REAL depth to it, I could play this game for neons..it just keeps on giving. I think I'll do this with all games from now on, because I think I could quite as easily pass up on games that I could, with relative ease, could come to love. Anyway, slightly off-topic..

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Fane1024
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 7:25:43 AM

Great game to have if you can't buy more because you're skint.

p.s. "skint" is in the PS3's lexicon. 8o

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Soultaker
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:15:28 PM
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From what I am understanding from what he said was that unless you buy it new from them you don't get access to the sewers and even if you did get the DLC or whatever you STILL won't get the access.

That's what I got from it. Unless i've misread something.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:49:16 PM
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Trust me, it was cut out for this purpose.

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Karosso
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:40:09 PM

Exactly, how long until they block the last level of the game? If you bought it used, you won't be able to beat it... I hope they get a huge backlash from this.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 2:58:47 PM
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If it upsets so many people so much then don't buy the game. It's that simple, if you hate this business model don't support it. How do you not support it.....don't buy the game.

This is going to really piss some people off to the point they will put that $60 towards one of the other AAA titles coming out this October. If I was on the fence between Dark Souls or Rage and I read this article I would go with Dark Souls. This is bad business because it won't stop at sewers. This is a nightmare, and if it works whole cities will be omitted due to the game being bought used. Wait until they start omitting main parts of single player campaign not allowing you to complete the game if you bought it used!! Id Software what are you doing, why you of all devs!!!? Don't you remember your shareware days? :(

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DIsmael85
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:13:41 PM
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Guess I'll be buying this game new. Like I do with all my games that I want to play really bad. Don't see any problem with this and quite frankly making a big deal out of seems so insignificant. Unless this turns out to be something like "Oh you can't access the sewers unless you absolutely purchase this ultimate limited one time only edition" then I don't see a big hooha over buying it new. Were folks not planning to do this from the get go? Why even be interested if you weren't planning to buy it new.

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CrusaderForever
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:23:52 PM

Please tell me you aren't serious!!!! Read my post about THE FUTURE of idiotic ideas like this! "Were folks not planning to do this from the get go? Why even be interested if you weren't planning to buy it new." This is a funny statement especially with 3000 AAA titles coming out between Sept and December 2011! I wish I was you and could afford them all new. What really pisses me off is that the Heaven that was single player has now been tainted forever!

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DIsmael85
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 3:32:23 PM

Well guess it's time to save. It seems you have your priorities on other games. I'm not rich, however, I will pick and choose and this game happens to be on the list of games I want. Why are you complaining, not solely you, but the community if you weren't planning to purchase it anyway? That's like complaining about the government yet you didn't vote. (Not stating you in particular, just a generalization). All I see lately this gaming gen is "Complain Complain Complain". Don't buy it! Simple as that. If you decide to I am most sure later down the road once everyone has had their fill, the game will be lowered in Price. It happens all the time. You can pick up Brutal Legend for 9.99 new at Frys. I mean come on folks.

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 @ 1:49:25 AM

Dismael85. Therein lies the problem. This is just the start. All those who say this is ok and support this approach are giving the publishers the go ahead to make even worse cuts and restrictions down the line.

Important SP content only available in the Suber-Uber edition costing $150? I can see that happening.

End level bosses only available if you buy the new game, now standard priced at $80? I can see that happening.

By buying into the idea that restricting content based on purchase model is acceptable, you start off down a slope that's going to get slippier and when you hit the point that you think "now that's gone a little too far" it'll be too late to do anything about it. That is why gamers need to put the brakes on right now.

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Crabba
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:01:35 PM
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I was really looking forward to this game, but after reading this, there's no way I'm buying this new. $5 Bargain bin/Ebay, maybe, in a couple of years.

It started with online pass for multiplayer, now this, what's next? It's time to put a collective foot down.

Sad thing is, they don't even realize the economics behind this. It's not like people will suddenly have a gazillion dollars to spend on video games all of a sudden, and if people can't sell their old games anymore, they will have EVEN LESS money to spend on *NEW* ones. Sigh.

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FM23
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:40:59 PM

Gotta agree with you. I had to sell a few keepers just to buy what I want this fall, but at the same time...you can still trade these games in, but I assume these online passes devalue them.

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FM23
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:40:04 PM
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This is smart from a business standpoint, but also stupid because like someone said earlier...what happens when you can only find this game used...now your forced to buy it and pay to unlock these sewers.

But people complaining about this need to really use common sense...just buy the game new and really, used games are usually much cheaper so the pass shouldn't be that big of a deal.

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DarthNemesis
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:40:27 PM
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I guess these companies don't think about the people who borrow games or games that were given to them from someone else? This idea is absolutely stupid.How about dropping the price of games 9which are over priced) if you want people to buy them brand new.

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FM23
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 4:43:17 PM

Haha...that's the point, they don't want people borrowing "their" game for free. Very annoying yes? It's like me buying a blue ray and then showing the film to 100 people at an event, but your not making a profit so at the end of the day (unless you are)...we are getting f*cked.

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tlpn99
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 5:28:26 PM
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2 words Key Gen. (as in key generator) Do they still exist and do they still work simples :)

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bebestorm
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 6:02:31 PM
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I won't be bothered by this because I always buy games new. I really don't see what the big fuss is about but to each its own.

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Dancemachine55
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 6:59:31 PM
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These companies are making these games to make money. It's a business, you can't blame them for wanting to see profit for all their hard work.

But I do think this strategy of locking people out of single player content is just wrong, even if it is insignificant content. Locking out Multiplayer is a different thing, they're supported by servers and additional costs. I see sense in paying for multiplayer when buying games used, but single player content?!?!

If other developers catch onto this, we are heading on down a bad road that will only further alienate people from the games they love.

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chedison
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 7:40:43 PM
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Hahah oh well. I'm buying it new anyways so makes no difference to me!

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robinhood2010
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 8:14:03 PM
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You know, id would not have had this problem (the complaints being made here) if they worded it differently.

Instead of locking features for used games, there is content coming with new games. Because its not like other games haven't done so before. Assassins creed, fir example.

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Fane1024
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 7:31:15 AM

This really isn't so different from pre-order bonuses.

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Ignitus
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 8:20:34 PM
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Let me guess... The best weapons will be hidden in the sewers, right?

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Clamedeus
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 11:45:33 PM

That's usually how it is, a Cave, Sewer, Mountain top etc.

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Geobaldi
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 9:10:11 PM
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I preordered my copy last week and this news doesn't change my mind at all.

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NoSmokingBandit
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 9:13:25 PM
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If it isnt a big deal like they are saying then why not just remove the block? They put the effort into creating the block mechanism then they tell us its stuff that people wont want to see anyway? How does that make any sense. A: It doesnt. If they felt so embarrassed about it that they have to make excuses and backpedal then they shouldnt have put the DRM in to begin with. Is nobody proud of their work any more?

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AshT
Friday, August 12, 2011 @ 11:22:34 PM
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wow that sucks

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___________
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 3:34:21 AM
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dam, i was just about to say bethesda are one of the only ones not to to come to this pass BS!
i paid for the game so i should be able to play the whole freaking game!
funny how everyones tone on this is different then resistance 3.
$ony announces locked content if you buy the game used, reaction is meh thats fair they dont get paid if people buy it used.
id announces locked content if you buy the game used, the reaction is well they just lost a sale!
hmmmmmmmmmmm.............

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PAKINIPS
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 4:25:03 PM

I remember people saying the same about resistance but whatever

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Excelsior1
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 12:24:44 PM
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there are a lot of disgusting quotes from this tool. he's a big fan of always on drm for example and he thinks it would be great if customers could be forced into it. i would love to have the contact info for id. this is 100% id'd idea btw. they came up with it.

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Minishmaru
Saturday, August 13, 2011 @ 2:23:07 PM
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I don't like the idea, but I don't hate it either. Too many things have changed over the years and for gaming companies to survive, they'll just have to change for the better...or worst. Piracy wasn't a big deal before but now its definitely gotta be hurting sales all around. I've played Fallout 3 and while I like the game, I didn't really need or want to go into every house/sewer/cave/etc. If it doesn't effect my enjoyment of the game and they wanna charge, then so be it. As long as they are being honest about it up front...

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peace425
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 11:19:03 AM
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There's nothing wrong with this, any of you who said that you were going to buy it and now your not are just missing the entire part of supporting the gaming industry, there's nothing wrong with trying to get people the incentive to spend a couple dollars more to buy a new copy and support the people who made this instead of gaving the profit to gamestop, if you want to buy it used go ahead but why should you get the exact thing, im not going to buy a used car and expect to get 0 miles on it. Its not greedy if you want compensation for what you made and someone is using it.

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Gregaman64
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 11:41:08 AM
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I disagree with the view that buyers of used games contribute nothing to developers and hurts the industry. Most people I know sell their older games so they can afford to buy new ones. Killing off the used game market would just mean they'd end up buying fewer new games. How many people would be willing to buy a brand new game for $60 in the first place if they knew they couldn't sell it afterwards if they didn't like it or got bored with it, especially if that game is not part of an already existing, proven franchise?

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Gabriel013
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 @ 1:57:36 AM

Exactly, There'll be plenty of gamers out there who took a puint on buying a game new, knowing they had the 2nd hand market to fall back on when they didn't want it anymore.

Those gamers won't buy it new in future if the used game market dies.

Gamers who bought the first in the series 2nd hand, loved it and so buy the latest installments brand new also possibly wouldn't have made that initial purchase if full retail was the only option.

It's annoying to see gamers saying "Don't effect me so don't care!".

I too buy a lot of my games new but I still think this is a bad business model and shouldn't be supported.

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DeathOfChaos
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 1:16:35 PM
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So there's a whole area that people will have to buy if they get a new copy of this game, enter the code, and then something happens to their account and lose everything... has no one ever thought about what happens if you lose your PSN account? You put in all your online passes and whatnot, your account is compromised and the possibility of the person stealing that account getting it banned, making that account useless.. then you just lost your right to play what you already had the right to access. *facepalm* I'm sure people will disagree with my point but that's ok, I guess.

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firesoul453
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 1:38:19 PM
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another game I will not be buying...


I hate how the industry is now messed up. So many good games I refuse to buy....

Not just my loss. If we support these horrible business tackticks it will keep getting worse as it has been.

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Ather
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 2:58:07 PM
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The problem seems to be the mistaken belief if you buy used (or download for free) you never buy. While true for some, it's more of an investment. Download a full CD, like it, and you buy the actual CD. if not, you might have just discovered a new band/singer, and will buy future releases. Buy a game sued, and you might like the series enough to buy new when sequels re released. Maybe to get a preorder bonus. Maybe to get the game as soon as possible. Not everybody is a buy used only, download for free only. For a lot of people, it's an investment. Without these cheaper alternatives, there'd be no sales to these people at all. A concept the RIAA can't grasp. People who buy cheap/free would not have bought it new if there was no alternative than new. They'd have bought nothing. Either way, a sale is lost. Only one way enables the chance for future sales. That way is not new, new, new.

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Caanimal
Sunday, August 14, 2011 @ 10:08:01 PM
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You people crack me up(the "I'm no longer buying this game because...." individuals), especially those who claim they were going to buy this game NEW and now aren't going to buy it at all because the game company is doing something that DOESN'T EFFECT YOU IN THE LEAST...

You people do realise that unlike 99% of other industries the game companies rely nearly 100% on NEW games sales to make money, which goes to pay off current bills and goes towards making the next game, buying used prevents gaming companies from getting more money to make the games you and I love to play. Other markets (such as movies) rely heavily on aftermarket sales such as affiliated items like toys, clothing, etc...

People complain about prices they have to pay for games, yet what most people don't realise is that the cost of making a game have gone up exponetially while game prices have stayed relatively the same (and YES games have stayed about 50-60 USD since I started playing back in the late '80s), yet there is no room for price drops because so many people do buy used thus providing 0(zero) money into the gaming industry and providing zero room for game companies to lower game prices.

If you want a game but don't want to spend "so much money" buy it once it goes down in price, but PLEASE, buy it NEW so the game company sees some of your money and are able to continue making games you and I enjoy playing...

To all those who say used game sales provide to new game sales, well I have bought EVERY game "new" since I started buying my own games back in the late '90s. I make these things called decisions, I decide if I can afford to make a day 1 purchase or if I need to wait until the game has dropped to a more reasonable price. If I want a game day 1 I start planning well in advance (like when a game is first announced, many times a year or more before the game is released) and start saving up money or planning around said purchase.

One last thing, people need to stop thinking they are really going to lose out on anything... Think of it this way, the game is at 100% whether bought new or used, but if you buy new you get an extra 10% of material, it's that simple. Buying used doesn't make you really miss out on anything in the base game, you just miss out on some extra stuff that you may not have even taken advantage of in the first place.

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Crabba
Monday, August 15, 2011 @ 2:26:59 AM

Umm, what industry does not rely on NEW sales exactly? Your entire post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Sure, you can look at it the way you see it that you get 100% of the "base" material. I'd like to sell you my "base" model car, oh btw FYI rear view mirrors are extra, so is the brake pedal, oh and you can only turn on the headlights if you buy my extra Headlights Pass, but hey, it's a *one time purchase* so what's the biggie!?

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