No New PlayStation Until Developers Max Out The PS3

DazeOfWar
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:16:29 AM
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This is good news to me because I'm just not ready for a new system. I use to always be excited for a new system but these days the PS3 is doing just great for me.

I do have the Vita that will fill my need for something new.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:49:52 PM

Me too, I was always ready for the next console. I don't know if it's because I'm older and set in my ways or what but I right now I feel like the PS3 has gotten about %50 of the love and attention it deserves so why leave it in the dust already ya know?

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Ignitus
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:03:47 PM

Agree.

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:51:33 PM

I'm totally content and happy with the PS3. There may be better graphics on the PC but the PS3 is great too. Its good enough. They just have to improve gameplay and story.

Perhaps by 2014-2015, the PS3 graphics will look dated in comparison to its comtemporaries. So if a new console will be needed by 2014-2015, Sony needs to have a prototype ready and in developer's hands by 2013. Give them a year to learn and announce it 2014 and show some game teasers and release it Christmas 2014.

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Temjin001
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:19:20 AM
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Hopefully Sony isn't waiting for the third parties to take it to the "max" because that day will probably never come considering the landscape.
I can at least look forward to Uncharted 3 stretching the virtual limits of the Ps3 through the more concentrated efficiency Naughty Dog will no doubt deliver. Sadly, Sony's premium efforts account for a modest portion of PS3's total software offerings. Hopefully Yoshida isnt assuming that the majority of devs are going to, or care to, as they don't appear to, "max" the PS3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:50:50 PM

You kiddin' me? Multiplat devs don't even have the slightest hope in the world of maxing the thing. They can't even understand it yet!

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FM23
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:30:57 PM

Yeah, after seeing the most recent UC3 gameplay on gametrailers...I can see the PS3 ahs alot of juice left in it...I can only imagine what the next GOW will look like and even play like.

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Danny007
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:22:37 AM
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I like the sound of this. Thanks for understanding Sony. :)

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shadowpal2
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:31:30 AM
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There we go! That's what I wanted to hear. I seriously felt it truly is way too early for a PS4. Besides...if the PS4 came out, there wouldn't be much room for PS3 & PS Vita compatibility would there? Of course...I guess they could design the PS4 to be compatible with PS Vita...but...seriously...no one has taken PS3 to its limit yet.

I have a feeling that Uncharted 3 will do well in pushing the PS3...but we shall all see in the developer interview afterwards.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:52:38 PM

I think when things DO go into the next generation and we say "But look at what PS3 achieved late in its life cycle" Uncharted 3 will be the first, early example of the top of the tier of what was an unbelievable achievement.

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BIGRED15
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:31:59 AM
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Woa wait a minute! I thought I heard someone say it was Maxed out already... Lol

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Temjin001
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:41:22 AM

Maybe for some devs, but until "The Strongest Warrior" game looks comparable to GoW3 don't get excited for a PS4. Sony will need to wait for them to catch up before we can move on =p
Let's just hope "we and our developers" doesn't include their third parties, otherwise it may be a very, very long wait ;)

Last edited by Temjin001 on 8/22/2011 11:41:55 AM

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totozero18
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:45:42 AM

@Bigred No no, that was the Xbox :)

Last edited by totozero18 on 8/22/2011 11:46:09 AM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:54:24 PM

They all said that except the first party devs, they said it because their games are full of junk code that's there to keep the PS3 from being bored while playing their last-gen games :)

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Ignitus
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 7:20:32 PM

Happy to see you back BIGRED.

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LimitedVertigo
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:38:34 AM
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The release of the PS4 has as much to do with what the competitors are doing then tapping out the graphics power of the PS3.

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Lord carlos
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:20:48 PM
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I like my ps3 just fine thank you.
Drake's fortune still looks better than most multi plats.

I sense something,something i have not felt since........

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leatherface
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:42:25 PM

remember the Force is around us, it penetrates us.

Last edited by leatherface on 8/22/2011 12:43:25 PM

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:55:01 PM

I don't wanna be penetrated.

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SixSpeedKing
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:02:34 PM

@ World you made lmao with that.

@Carlos I agree PS3 still has a ways to go with the multiplat developpers. I'm definitely satisfied with the PS3 for at least a few more years.

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maxpontiac
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:21:10 PM
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As exciting as the PS4 sounds, I am in no hurry for one. I am still waiting for the PS3 games outside of the exclusives to do exactly what Sony says.

Max the PS3 out first!

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:23:09 PM
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Sony is not going to talk up the PS4 in the run up to the Vita launch. 2012 is the year of Vita. Look for a PS4 announcement in late 2012 (Autumn) and a late autumn release in 2013.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:56:00 PM

I think it will be a year later than you predict, hype in 2012, announcement 2013, release in 2014.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 3:21:34 PM

I would prefer a year later myself. But 2013 is a *long* time for a piece of hardware, even one as advanced as PS3 is/was, to remain current. That's 7 full years. Waiting through to 2014 would be 8. Tech evolves generations roughly once every 18 months. 6 years is 4 generations, 7 is going on 5, and 8 is 5+ generations. Considering how processor power and GPU power increases with each generation, 5+ generations is an eternity. Would you buy a PC from 2003 today? Even if it was top of the range in 2003, it'd barely register as a base model today (if at all). Ps3 is obviously a slightly different case, but still, 8 years is an eternity in hardware terms.

All that said, I prefer 2014 because of many things;

1) Nintendo is catching up to PS3 in 2012, so in 2014, whatever Sony puts out would make Nintendo look toy like - again.
2) 2014 gives an additional year for PS3 to mature and for the hardware in the eventual PS4 to evolve and more importantly for manufacturing to mature. Sony had rough times with PS3 because Cell was so hard to make in 2006. I think they'll want the new CPU & GPU to be more mature in manufacturing terms.
3) More time for System software to be planned, implemented and tested, time for new games to be written, time for Vita to establish itself. time for experimentation with Vita connectivity, in other words, more time = good.
4) Going in 2014 lets Sony build a business plan for the PS4 that is not predicated on outselling everybody else, but instead is targeted at making PS4 profitable in it's own right, regardless of the rest of the market. Establishing Vita and PS3 deeply in the market, builds a foundation based on the continuity of services and software offered through PSN. Continuity of service = customer loyalty with hardware purchases.
5) Potentially allows Sony to see how both IBM and Nintendo want to play the next round of the video game cycle.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:47:59 PM

As always with technology I defer to you, the only reason I think it might go the way I think it might is because consoles and all that comes with them are getting too expensive (for the makers) to replace them with new generations as fast as they used to.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:09:17 PM

That's a REALLY good point. I don't think I've ever spent as much on consoles and games until the PS3, and definitely the longer we go until PS4, the more value I get from that investment.

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Qubex
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 9:25:36 PM

Highlander, I agree with you on the majority of your points. All I have to say is maybe a minority of tech heads may want newer hardware now and may compliment their PS3's with new gaming laptops or gaming rigs. There are people with money who are happy to have the best of both worlds... why not. It gives you more choice and better experiences all around.

I was saying to Temjin that work will purchase a new laptop for me early next year... an 8gig monster, with an i7 quad core processor and latest NVIDIA GPU. This will be great to have simply because it will be free. It will give me another perspective on gaming and enjoy multi-platform titles at a higher fidelity; and of course enjoy exclusives on my PS3.

On the PS3 side specifically. I am easy either way. If a PS4 was released tomorrow I would probably get it. If it is released in 3 years time I will have a laptop and PS3 to give me the best choice possible.

I am not interested in a WiiU and will probably not be interested in an xBox720. I believe Sony will push the bar again for the PS4, but we will have to see what they actually come out with in the end. Interesting times indeed...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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PS3addict
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:25:25 PM
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I only hope to see more RAM in the system once the PS4 is released. Several articles are stating that the limited RAM in the PS3 is the reason why cross game chat is not possible in the PS3. Once a game grabs the RAM, it never releases it, and this is by design.

This is not a feature that I see as "Must have", but it would make a lot of people happy and would also reduce the bad mouthing by others as well.

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Underdog15
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:32:55 PM

Yeah, that's how I feel too.

PS4 will definitely have it. They won't ignore consumer feedback like that. It'd be easy for them to put in PS4, too. No brainer.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:57:08 PM

I wonder why they don't just sell a cross-chat USB dongle that flashes some extra space for RAM.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 3:23:10 PM

Because the extra memory has to be system memory, so it's not really possible. As I've explained before, and Sony now confirms, adding cross game chat would reduce the amount of system memory available to games. Once they have given memory to game developers by reducing the firmware size, they can never take it back. So, no cross game chat on PS3.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:49:26 PM

There's no way to trick the CPU into thinking it has more available memory by adding some from outside the system?

Could plugging in the Vita with it's Cross Game Chat work?

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:10:47 PM

Vita could do it, but then it'd be kind of like having a phone on standby...

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:46:28 PM
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2012 to 2013-developers get prototype PS4
2014-announce to public and display new game demos
2015-grand release of ps4 with amazing titles developers had ample time to learn and optimize. Blow the public's expectation away.

PS3 biggest drawback was the price. $600 launch price is ridiculous when compared to the competition. Especially when the launch titles were at best comparable to Xbox360. You can't justify to the public paying double the competition when the games were comparable or in many instances worse and with only the promise that it will get better and $600 price will be vindicated. Ummm, no. I work too hard for my money. I think I'll wait 2-3 years for these great titles that you speak of and then buy it at the dropped price.

The whole point of paying a premium price is to get access now. Access to games that is way better and exclusively available. Why pay double for a machine that has the same titles as the competition and few launch exclusives are embarrassing (Genji, Lair). And many of the multiplatform titles perform much worse (madden 07).

Just imagine how much PS3 would have been if it launched with MGS4, Uncharted2, Infamous2, GT4, GOW, LBP etc. $600 price tag is justified. THose titles blow anything the Xbox360 had available at the time. Blows away any multiplatforms. These are killer must have platforms.

Look, the global economy is bad and people are even more frugal with money. They want value. PS4 has to be smart with the hardware. Joe public don't care about how technically amazing a new Cell version 2 is. PS3 Cell is a great piece of technology but could Sony have spent money more efficiently on a more game focused CPU and not a more general purpose CPU that frustrated developers and took them 2-3 years to finally understand it.

Sony should partner with Intel or AMD or Qualcomm to bring the most gaming VALUE. They have please the very important third party developers and gaming public.

I hope Sony learned from PS3 many mistakes and make PS4 that much more amazing. I think Sony got way too arrogant with the success of PS2 and thought the public will pay anything just because its a Playstation. PS3 has reset the gaming world. Its even between ps3 and xbox. No one really has a strong lead. If Sony is smart they can pull ahead again and lead the market. What do you think?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:58:34 PM

It won't launch with that high of a price this time, it simply cost a lot of money to create the technology inside the PS3. Now that technology is a lot cheaper and can be built upon. It wasn't as if they were trying to rip people off, each console cost more than $600 for them to make.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:03:13 PM

I think that the only way you learn is by making a mistake. That way you erase it and fix it. Problem solved.

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anjpikapp3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:06:55 PM

I disagree. The $600 price tag was a lot better then the $1000 one for any bluray player out on the market at that time. Remember, this was (and still is, IMO) the top of the line console. If anything, I bought mine as a bluray player first knowing Sony would get better (just like the PS2) and would produce a stellar library. Was that a risk, yes it was but a well worth one! The fact that I could play PS2 games on my HDTV as well as blurays under $1200 (price for a bluray player and a PS2 at that time) was worth every penny.

Note: I understand some gamers cannot afford such high end items on Day 1 but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be released. I can't wait for the PS4 and to see what it has to deliver though I am still very happy with my PS3. These are exciting times in the gaming industry as we go from standard definition into an almost surreal type of gaming.

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Killa Tequilla
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 12:56:27 PM
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"Gamers always need something new and more exciting. If they're seeing just similar types of games coming year after year, they will quickly lose their interest..."

Call of Duty was my 1st thought when I read that.

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BikerSaint
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:03:00 PM
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Great news!

Just keep the great games a-comin'

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:06:04 PM
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That really is a great way of telling developers who are clamoring for a new generation that they still haven't dented the PS3 so it's time to put up or shut up. Just because 360 has been maxed out for a while doesn't mean Sony should spend more money does it?

On that note though, I think what people wonder is if PS4 will release before 720, after 720, or around the same time? There are strategic advantages based on when they do it. They could hold this stance as a siege and just let the Xbox 360 starve from lack of games for a time in order to gain PS converts.

Bottom line: only Sony devs have a shot at maxing this system out in terms of squeezing every last ounce of power from it.

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:11:52 PM
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@ WorldEndsWithMe

I know Sony wasn't trying to rip ppl off. I know that even at $600 for the technology Sony was providing at the time was a great deal. Sony was taking huge losses with each sale early on because the freakin technology was so expensive. It was so expensive because they took the dumb route of lets put the most exotic technology. Lets develop our own CPU. Team up with IBM, Intel, Qualcomm. There are a lot of other brilliant ppl. Look for cost saving synergies. Make it more user friendly for developers and cheaper to produce. SOny can pass those savings to the public and not release with $600 price tag.

The current PS3 cell technology is a lot cheaper now but Sony could easily make a boneheaded move by trying to develop another Cell Version2 that will cost so much money and time. Just be smart. DOn't just dump money into the machine and be proud that is the most advance sophisticated future technology. I don't care. Developers don't care. Be smart on how you spend the money. Make the PS4 a well thought out smart user friendly design.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 2:01:23 PM

I'm sure things will come off well, look at Vita's price. Very accessible all technology considered.

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:22:59 PM
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@kapp3

You do make a good point there. At the time the PS3 was the cheapest and BEST blueray player compared to the $1000 players. I remember that. I think that's one example of Sony making an excellent call there. Having Blueray is a big plus. We don't have to worry about multiple disc and I have to admit I do enjoy collecting and watching HD bluerays.

I have to give Sony credit for that.

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FM23
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:32:14 PM
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Thank God for Smart Business!!!

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:50:58 PM
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I totally agree with "WorldEndsWithMe" The PS3 has really matured now and hitting its strides. The gap between exclusives is growing in terms of quantity and quality. The longer this generation last the more ppl will abandon the xbox and come over (or come back) to ps3.

With built in wireless, free network, non proprietary Harddrive, Bluray, bluetooth...why would anyone in their right mind buy a Xbox360 now? It doesn't make any sense. WHen I'm in bestbuy or futureshop, I want to ask these ppl why are you buying a Xbox? whats wrong with you? lol I feel like I have to preach to these sheeps and make the see the light.

WIth the recent PS3 price drops, hopefully more ppl will stop and think and realize the PS3 now is without any doubt the best platform to buy.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 2:02:11 PM

I'm not sure how any of that disagrees with me?

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:50:37 PM

er, woops, for some reason I skimmed that first line as "disagree" nevermind.

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Claire C
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 1:52:26 PM
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I want the PS4 to be backwards compatible with PS3, PS1, and please, please, please PS2.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 3:42:47 PM

Regarding PS2 compatibility, the PS4 might have a shot at this because of the increased power of the hardware. Theoretically, the cellBE could emulate some of the really difficult to emulate features of the GS, but it would be unable to do anything else. If the PS4 has twice as much CPU as the CellBE in the PS3 (say two Cells on one chip or something like that), that would make it possible to emulate the GS on one Cell and the EE on the other. Don't hold your breath though, nothing is certain on that score.

I'd like the PS4 to run PS1, PS2, PS3 and even PSP games.

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AcHiLLiA
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 7:56:31 PM

I swear I want that to happen.

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Eld
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:03:13 PM

I would also want that, but I get the feeling Sony or even MS have no intention to provide backwards compatibility after this generation.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 11:23:45 PM

Vita plays PSP games (the down loadable ones because no UMD). PS1 compatibility is present in all Sony gamin systems now. I wouldn't say backwards compatibility was gone.

Then again Nintendo just released a budget Wii with no GameCube compatibility...oh dear.

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 2:12:33 PM
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@ WorldEndsWithMe. I'm saying I totally AGREE with you on your previous point,"They could hold this stance as a siege and just let the Xbox 360 starve from lack of games for a time in order to gain PS converts." I think you misread me dude lol

@ Claire C. I hope the PS4 is PS3 backward compatible. PS2 and 1 would be nice but PS3 compability would be a must...but then again, I thought the same thing when ps3 came out but after playing ps3 games its very hard to go back and play ps2 games for any length of time. I can only imagine how outdated PS2 games will look after spending some time getting used to PS4 calibre games.

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gumbi
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 2:52:34 PM
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Well, I may not be an analyst... but here's my analysis anyway.

Sony needs to consider the competition as well. It's not just about how much life the PS3 has left in it, we all know it's got plenty. But they need to think about the next iteration of the xbox. Sony was late to the game this gen and it cost them big time early on. I think Sony really needs to beat or match the release of the next xbox with the PS4. They can't afford another late start, even with better hardware. This gen should have taught them that.

This next point may be entirely my opinion, but I think Sony needs to tame their tech ego a bit with PS4. Instead of pushing the limits and pioneering totally new technology, they should simply beef up the PS3. Better, faster hardware with the same (or at least similar) architecture as PS3. Developers will be thrilled and we'll have AAA titles from the get go. Not to mention the fact that it will be cheaper to make and faster to market. To me, that's the winning formula for the next Gen.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:26:44 PM

Either twin PowerXcell8i CPUs or some hybrid based on Power7 with Cell technology. New GPU from nVidia, current design, not older model. BluRay (including support for 33GB per layer discs with many layers), Build in HDD, using SATA, will support SSDs whenever they become cheap enough. System memory - 4GB, video memory 1GB - dedicated. Other than that the usual assortment of ethernet, bluetooth, USB and HDMI...

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gumbi
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:41:30 PM

Hey Sony! What he said ^

Do that!

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___________
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 4:09:42 AM

no!
please for the love of god dont go cell again!
it would be a waste, all the resources and stuff but developers will be slamming their heads against a brick wall if sony goes cell again!
ALL the problems sony have had this gen are because of the cell!
you would think if somethings causing you problems, well that would just be common sense.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 10:11:48 AM

Anonymous Cowherd, you're really off the mark here. Deciding to use something completely different to Cell would completely squander the experience and knowledge developed both in house in first party developers and in third party devs. You'd effectively be asking everyone to start at the bottom of the learning curve again on a new platform and wouldn't in any way build on what you have established. Sorry, but that is plain stupidity.

The last thing developers want is to learn yet another architecture at this point. Building on the Cell foundation allows everything that's been done on the PS3 to be incorporated and built on to quicken the pace of development. Why would anyone want to throw away 6-7 years of intense development effort?

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___________
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 @ 10:02:29 AM

which is EXACTLY what sony do every single time they release a new platform!

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 3:19:25 PM
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Next Killer Generation Feature: Multiple Screen Support.

I like Gumbi's idea. The PS4 could be beefed up version of PS3 but with faster Bluray, more ram, better GPU, faster and more SPU's. This will keep the cost down but bring it sufficiently up to date and with enough ummmpff to last another generation.

But I think the biggest next generation console feature Sony can put in is having 3 monitors :D Imagine the new gameplay possibilities having 3 screens like the PC gaming currently have. Imagine Skyrim, UC3, Killzone3, Grand Tourismo with peripheral vision.

Don't worry about having the most super duper faster exotic crazy hard to develop hardware. THink about how you can enhance gamer's experience.

PS4: Faster Bluray, more ram, more and faster SPU, better GPU, PS3 and PS2 BC, support for mouse and keyboard. And most importantly Multiple screens! $399 :D

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gumbi
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:24:14 PM

I love where you're going with the multiple screens idea but it poses one seriously big, and expensive problem. Most have to save up for one big screen HDTV. I don't see many consumers buying 3 HDTV's and setting them all up in their living room to take advantage of this feature. Plus you'd have to sit much closer than normal for it to have the right peripheral effect. It would be awesome no doubt, but I just don't think it's feasible to most consumers. (Even if I could afford it, my wife would never let me put 3 tv's in our living room ;)

I think Sony's better off pursuing their headset VR technology for that kind of effect.

thumbs up for creativity though ;)

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:27:31 PM

Multi-screen? No thanks, that's a PC way to game perhaps, but consoles sit in front of TVs and that's generally speaking 1 screen.

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 4:34:59 PM

Doh! I didn't think of that. I was thinking solely of myself and what I would want lol I have my PS3 hooked up to my 32" tv which doubles as a computer monitor and TV screen. 32" screen at Costco cost only $350 on sale.

But you're right, a lot of ppl have their PS3 hooked up in the living room to a $$$ big screen. Multiple screen would be worthless to a large number of consumers.

It wouldn't be a killer feature that will appeal to a everyone but it will to a large number of ppl like me. You have to see youtube videos of multiscreen setups? Its a totally new gaming experience. In all genres: FPS, RPG, RTS, Racing etc. There are a lot of ppl with their PS3 hooked up on a desk and not in their living room with a big TV.

The new GPU would be able to handle multiple screens and VR without extra cost. Its not a choose one or other. You can have both.

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:29:56 PM
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So, it comes out next year?

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:43:36 PM

Its out already. GO to Walmart and ask for the PS4

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CharlesD
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 5:31:15 PM
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Keep in mind we only just reached what is the supposed limit of the PS3. Games are only just getting to the point of using 99% of the systems potential, there's a lot more to explore within this bracket now that we're finally here. Hell, xbox leveled out years ago and they made it work... well for a while at least. We're only just reaching the point of leveling out and I can not wait to see what developers are going do with it :)

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godsman
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 6:23:47 PM
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My PS3 just suffered from YLOD. Anyone here that went through the same trouble can give me some advice?

4th Day without PS3....

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LittleBigMidget
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 7:05:24 PM

Buy a new one

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josephps3
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 7:06:00 PM

My ps3 had YLOD as well. You can bring it to a repair shop that will fix it for $60. Don't pay more than that cause its not worth fixing when you can now buy a new slim ps3 for $250.

As a last ditch effort, you can try fixing it yourself if you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu3QU8xWxI8
will show you how to open your ps3 and apply new thermal paste.

Then do a search on youtube, "ps3 YLOD fix". YOu'll see ppl using a hot air gun over the solder joint around the GPU. Apparently the PS3 overheats and the solder joint disconnects.

Personally I wouldn't try this method as you don't know where to apply the heat precisely and for how long. You're just shooting in the dark. BUt its free and if you were going to junk this one anyways. If you bring it to a repair shop and pay $60 and it only lasts 3-6 months you'll wish you save your $60 and just put it towards a new ps3 slim. Up to you to decide.

When my PS3 got YLOD I did bring it to a repair shop and its been working fine for over 2 years now but I'm told I'm really lucky. A lot of ppl only have it running upto 6 months and another YLOD.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 7:11:35 PM

Sorry to hear that man, 4 days is a long time. Mine has never faltered but I hear some do it yourself YLOD fixed from the youtube help. Barring that you might have to pay the fee for a replacement should she no longer be under warranty. Call Sony and they'll send you a coffin.

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Russell Burrows
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 7:48:45 PM
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@Highlander.

The PS3 is GAINING capability in the Cell chip with smaller chip dies that bring with it less heat and as a bonus the chip can run at a faster clock speed.

I.e. the same chip with 512 MB ram will perform better with a faster clock speed gained from a smaller chip die.

So the PS3 has more capability as time goes on.

On the software side better source code that performs better also gives the PS3 increased capability.

The computers that create the source code also improve as time goes on and thus some of the limitations to better looking and performing games and or movies are lifted.

Improved middleware for games and or movies also helps i.e. better subsurface light scattering comes to mind that gives more realistic CGI.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 10:56:09 PM

Russell,

Although the geometry of the chip is shrinking, it doesn't bring higher clocks, it brings lower power consumption and far less heat. The clock speed of the system remains at the same 3.2GHz it's always been.

The PS3 has gained capabilities (and lost some) based on the firmware, not different hardware (excepting the removal of the PS2 capability with the removal of the PS2 hardware).

The computers that create the source code? Um, no. Developers create the source code, they have tools to help optimize that code, but there is a limit imposed by the 'law' of diminishing returns.

Consoles are a fixed platform. The parameters are the CPU, it's clock speed, the GPU and it's clock speed and the physical memory, system and video. These things do not and cannot change. The only exception to that is the PSP which was built from the beginning with it's processor underclocked partly to save power, and partly because Sony knew they could unlock the extra 111MHz to give the system a boost later.

I think you're not really understanding the nature of software and of machine optimization. There is only so much the tools can do, and it actually takes specialist coders to optimize properly, the automated optimizers can only do so much. But no amount of further optimization will gain significant performance boosts comparable to a 50% increase in clock speed or doubling the memory.

Look, I'm as pro PS3 as anyone else, but there are limits to hardware and software that have to be acknowledged.

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sha4dowknight05
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 8:34:38 PM
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I don't think we need a new console until at least 2014. But I anticipate at least 2012 we'll get at least a new console besides the playstation vita.

To be honest, the ps3 could probably keep going maybe another 5 years.

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tes37
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 8:55:46 PM
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Sony's got the right idea. There are too many developers who aren't pushing the ps3 hard enough. How do you know, if a new console is introduced, that they'll do their best then, if they don't do it now?

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FatherSun
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 9:19:25 PM
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Sony may be thinking beyond the next few years of the Gaming Industry so I don't see a PS4 anytime soon. There are so many factors involved at this time so I see why they are taking this stance.

Also, Imagine those who are now purchasing a PS3 now only for Sony to announce the PS4 next year. That would leave a bad taste in peoples mouths and would definitely make them weary of purchasing a PS4. Unless you were there from the beginning then it is just too soon. It's just good economics.

If Sony debuts a new console sooner than later it would a monumental move. Right now the PS3 is on an upward swing so PS4 would need to significantly increase the capabilities of the console. It just doesn't seem viable at this time.

Right now is Vita time, and along with that we will see Sony expand the PlayStation Network to another level. That is in fact what will dictate the next Generation of Gaming. That is how I believe it will be defined. Will PlayStation 5 even be a physical console? We already know how 9 will be sooo....

The NETWORK is what is important right now and forever. In almost every aspect of life as well as the Gaming community. This is the EXACT reason why LIVE is ahead of the curve in this realm. Most will deny it but the simple ability for people to communicate through the Network is what give Live its edge. Over Facebook even with it's 750 million+.* Yes it also has voice and video chat ect... But Games are simply no where near what consoles are providing. Imagine when Sony gets the Network to Optimum performance. Now that will be when Gaming comes alive.

The End!

;>

* hmmmm, imagine if FaceBook or Google even bought Valve? It would be all out WAR!

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FatherSun
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 10:52:40 PM

Just to clarify. Live only has a SLIGHT EDGE over PSN! One that can easily be eliminated.

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Highlander
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 10:58:16 PM

You do know that the most recently quoted numbers for Live subscribers totaled around 36 million (globally), and only about 40% of them pay for the Gold subscription. Whatever anyone wants to say about Live, PSN has far, far, far more active users than Live does. Numbers rarely lie, and in this case they don't. PSN has the edge over Live - in reality.

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FatherSun
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 6:35:10 AM

I am aware of the numbers. I do not argue the numbers at all. It is only the contagious addiction that people on Live share. Mama Papa Sister syndrome. When you witness people repurchase a machine regardless of failure rates from a company that has damaged the Gaming Industry it makes you examine what they have to offer. I dont care for it but I can not ignore it either. And neither will Sony. Which is why I can not wait till the PSN is at Optimum level. In features and performance.

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johnld
Monday, August 22, 2011 @ 10:58:34 PM
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well, i hope they mean first party studios because if they're going by third party then the ps4 will never release. most are too lazy to put enough time and effort on their game.

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Russell Burrows
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 12:04:58 AM
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@Highlander.
IMHO and based on the responses I got when I asked why are games looking better and running better on comparable budgets of two years ago??(caveat: a lot of game budgets are growing larger than yester year)??

CGI movie or cutscene?
Computers.

A large set of computers to render is known as a render farm.??

In 2005 the hundred million dollar investment or a ten million dollar rental is now much less.??
2007 it was 50 million for the same power.
2009 it was 25 million for the same power
2011 it was 12 million for the same power.

Moores Law helps out a lot.??

All game Development comes down to a certain invest ment dollar amount in a certain time frame.??

When computers to render cgi, check source code, etc. drop in price/increase in speed this results in a game being either developed on a smaller budget or in most cases the same budget of a year or two ago gets more bang per buck resulting in a better looking game and sometimes also a better running game.??

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 3:46:28 AM

Moores law only helps with new designs as it relates to the number of transistors you can put on the chip, not what clock speed it can handle. If the design of the CPU is the same and the clock is the same it doesn't matter how small you make it, it only has so much performance.

Sony is hardly going to release a new PS3 SKU with a 4GHz clock that no other SKU can accomplish, are they?

Your game isn't running on a render farm, it's running on a single CPU/GPU combination. Render farms are only of use for pre-rendered cut scenes or movies, and have little to nothing to do with in-engine animation in a game.

Computers don't *check* source code, they compile it. Code verification - aka having a computer check your source code - is incredibly complex and difficult and not something that is messed with for games.

The reason game budgets went up and continue going up is that the additional art, video and audio assets needed for a high production value game need more people to make them. The kinds of motion capture for the animations in games like Uncharted take a crew the same size as would be the case for a movie, etc... Not only that, but when you were playing with an 8-bit CPU and 32KB of memory two guys in a garage could whip up a game in a week or two. Now you have teams of programmers working on different aspects of the game, from the graphics, to the AI, to the physics, audio, or just console related services. The complexity of a game to day is orders of magnitude greater than for a PS1 game, so again it's only natural for the team size to grow and costs to escalate.

However none of this has anything to do with Moore's law which states (for the record) that the number of transistors on a piece of silicon will double every 2 years (or is it 18 months?). Either way it is talking about the ever increasing level of complexity on the chip, nothing else.

The CPU and CPU inside the PS3 today are the same as the ones inside the launch models, except for being built at a much smaller size. They run cooler, but not faster than the original ones in launch systems.

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A2K78
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 12:48:05 AM
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"Sony worldwide studios boss Shuhei Yoshida told Eurogamer that the company will "seriously consider" launching the PS4 when developers can't make increasingly better games with the PS3."

Someone should tell Mr. Yoshida that the vast majority of game makers out there have neither the time, financial means or manpower to crankout a game on the scale of something like Gran Turismo or Uncharted. Of course it doesn't also help the fact that many of these very game developers are being put out of business at an alarming rate and that publishers that looked stable/untouchable in the past are being put on the brink of bankruptcy trying to make games at cost in the area of a mid-range motion picture.

"Bottom line: only Sony devs have a shot at maxing this system out in terms of squeezing every last ounce of power from it."

And there is a reason why Sony devs can get alot of the PS3, unlike the vast majority of the developers they can afford it, other developers can't.

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___________
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 4:17:05 AM
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i wish we could see the ps4 tomorrow, just so my PC can stop getting crappy outdated ports!
though when the ps4 does release i hope sony stops being the frenchmen IE being as different and difficult as possible, and just go with a PC centric design.
ALL the problems the ps3 has suffered, be it a really high price, to really high development costs, to really high team requirements, to poor ports, are all down to there obsession of making the hardware so different and hard to program for in a attempt to prolong its lifespan.
look at M$, they went the easy simple approach and its seeing improvements every title launched for it!
who said making a system easy to code for means it hits its stride 4 years into its lifespan?

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 10:13:05 AM

If it would end your inane comments I would be tempted to wish to see the PS4 tomorrow.

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