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EA: We Can Still Get Plenty Out Of The PS3 And 360

See? Big publishers don't really want to deal with a new console cycle soon, either.

EA Labels boss Frank Gibeau told CVG that gamers are happy with the current generation, and he questions what a new round of machines would even be able to do.

Gibeau cited EA's own Battlefield 3 to prove that both the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 have plenty of juice left. And really, what might the PS4 be able to accomplish? Said Gibeau:

"It's hard for me to conceive what you would do on a PlayStation 4. The displays are already 1080p, you're already connected to the internet... You could make it faster, you could have more polys and you could up the graphics a little bit... but at what cost?

It'll be interesting to see how [Sony and Microsoft] think about it in terms of the next generation but it seems to me that customers are happy, and we're happy to build games on [360 and PS3] right now."

Gibeau went on to say that the industry has changed, and "big console transitions" just won't happen anymore. He says the lifespans of machines are much longer now, and the digital age is changing how consumers get their entertainment. But currently, the bottom line is that we can still get a lot of mileage out of the PS3 and 360. Finished Gibeau:

"One of the things that we like is that the technology is consistent, and we believe that there are still things that you can do on these systems... we haven't quite squeezed the last once of hardware horsepower out of these things, as you can see with Battlefield 3."

Like many gamers, this guy wants to "see the cycle last a little longer." And he doesn't believe consumers are "banging on the walls for a new platform." Based on what we've seen at PSXE, we'd have to say his observation is accurate.

Tags: next generation, next gen consoles, ps4, playstation 4, ea

8/30/2011 10:31:27 AM Ben Dutka

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Comments (30 posts)

Sogi_Otsa
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 10:51:40 AM
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look at a fps game? you mean a game that looks and fells like the one before it no matter what? Look at god of war 3, they are working on the next one, if that doesn't say the PS3 has more to it then nothing does!

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Qubex
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 10:53:20 AM
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This is not surprising at all, and expected from a big publisher such as EA. The PS3 and 360 are their bread and butter. Both consoles have a huge library of games and both consoles will eventually outlive the longevity of the PS2 in totality.

It seems to me that developers who were originally PC only developers are the ones with the bigger issues here. ID, Crytek and the like seem to indicate a certain frustration with the current tech. The claim is that it keeps them back from developing cutting edge. The problem is cutting edge costs money, and cutting edge may not be so cool in this economy.

If a PS4 was released tomorrow I would probably not buy it and wait. There is plenty of life in the current systems, and if people want an "inbetween" they can always pick up a gaming laptop so they have the best of both worlds...

How can gamers complain when there will be a slew of future titles in the coming 3 years that will blow people away - especially the Sony exclusives which will get more and more out of the current tech, and they will prove it too...

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 1:49:12 PM

Qubex, you sound like me when you say this;

"It seems to me that developers who were originally PC only developers are the ones with the bigger issues here. ID, Crytek and the like seem to indicate a certain frustration with the current tech. The claim is that it keeps them back from developing cutting edge. "

That point about cutting edge is an interesting one because for so long now the main driver behind GPU and CPU advancement in the PC has been the gaming industry, it was the driver behind much of the high performance, high price, gear around today. But the problem for those developers is that with consoles you cannot change the platform at that pace, that is simply not how it works.

In fact I would go as far as to challenge them by pointing out that relying on hardware for software performance makes the hardware cutting edge, not the software. If they are truly 'cutting edge' developers, where are their innovative algorithms and designs that wring better performance out of existing hardware with more sophisticated software design? Cutting edge developers make cutting edge software, but don't rely on the crutch of cutting edge hardware.

Crytek in particular relied heavily on a new generation of GPUs to make it's games work. That's all very well, but being a smart designer isn't just about wringing good performance out of exceptional hardware, it's about wringing exceptional performance out of good hardware. To me, that is what most PC devs have done for years and that is why they are the ones having the most trouble with the video game consoles and the PS3 in general.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 2:15:09 PM

PC devs need to shut up and stop complaining. If they want to remain in business they're gonna have to grin and bear it: consoles are more popular gaming machines.

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Qubex
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 4:11:35 AM

Yhea, that is pretty clear right there World and Highlander... good points made.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:00:17 AM
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Ha, yeah, way to downplay the horsepower thing EA dope. A little more polies? By little you mean 10x more right? A little hehe
1080p games already this gen, eh? Hehe oh man, he said so much right there.
I understand there's many things devs can do with the tools they have now to design their vision, but don't make stupid remarks that belittles what would actually be possible on hardware that could make the gap between the PS2 and PS3 larger than how it is now if PS4 launched in 2012 or 2013

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DemonNeno
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 12:46:39 PM

Poly count means little at this point. You are already looking at very impressive models. I'd say usage of potent FSAA will be the next great thing for the consoles. It seems that consoles are behind 4-5 years to the trends of the niche PC gamers. Rightfully so, as many of those gamers coughed out what console owner would need to have a very competent system and a vast library.

1080P has little impact on gaming, to be honest with you. True, it CAN look great, but 720 can looks just as good. I can see how his statement can be looked at as an exaggeration, but he didn't imply ALL games are. They are upscaled in most cases. Is it a bad thing? It depends on the products quality, that's all.

I think what you're intending to point out here isn't relevant to what the devs are trying to accomplish. 2012 is right around the corner, whereas devs optimizing these consoles to run what could graphically be equivalent to what we will see from the next gen is still far off in the future.

Games like Batman (multi-console bad ass-ery) & Uncharted (optimization at its' greatest) are prime examples of what the "norm" could become... Or at least close to it. Consoles still have plenty of air to breathe on their current gen.

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Temjin001
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 3:24:09 PM

Demon, theres so many holes in your reasoning I just dont care to respond to any of your points. If you don't believe 5-7 years of hardware advancements won't yield significant accomplishments in game design I think you're nuts and are in need of some head-meds =p or you just need to check the facts before preaching to me.

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DemonNeno
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 9:59:03 AM

All I'm saying is moving on to a new console when the hardware that is already available hasn't been optimized is a waste of hardware.

Of course a new console will look better, but my point is regarding a new learning curve. A new dev kit. Everything will start all over again. For some odd reason, I doubt Sony will use universal tools that'll mimick a PC dev kit or an Xbox dev kit. We'll be right where we're at with the PS3 as we know it. My comment about it's advancements were implying the next gens immediate improvements.

Hardware changes very fast, except in the consoles. I think that is what makes them attractive, after all. No need to update them every year or 6 months..

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Borderline
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:01:41 AM
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I am still amazed when I see the new big releases this generation of consoles. I really don't see a need to move on to the next for a couple more years.

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Qubex
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:14:37 AM

Only reason to move sooner would be if you want 1080p at 60fps de-facto on every game produced from this point on-wards.

A PS4, realistically, would need to be in the order of x4 what the PS3 is today to make an impression on current and future PC hardware. If a PS4 comes out in 2014, it would need to be pretty advanced to be unique.

Q!

"play.experience.enjoy"

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Borderline
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:56:06 AM

I agree with you Qubex and what I am looking forward to in terms of the next generation is that Sony generally doesn't fail to innovate and perhaps add features that many didn't think of.

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Highlander
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 1:51:18 PM

PS4 based on twin PowerXcell8is and the upcoming nVidia GPU architecture could do it...as could a Power7 based system. Though I don't think that PC performance is the definition of the envelope, I think that the 1080p at 60fps is the performance envelope that will matter.

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MRSUCCESS
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:36:52 AM
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I cannot speak for the masses, but so far I am satisfied with how the games are looking. I am sure the PS3 has more power in it. I mean why release a new console with the way things are economically especially if a console is going to cost more than $499.99? In addition new console usually comes more expensive games lol. I am finding it hard spending $60 + tax on a game I am on the edge about. Don't get me wrong I will get the games that are at the top of my list such as anything MGS, Resistance 3 or a Megaten game but games such as Crysis 2 and Killzone 3 I have not been able to get. They're great games of course but I have been playing other games.

I love me a lot of JRPGs and action adventure games. Where are all the JRPGs and Devil May Crys, Metal Gear Solids and God of Wars? We don't have much those which means lets give these consoles more time because at the end of the day game-play matters much more than graphics. At least in my book it does.

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Kiryu
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:52:44 AM
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'and 360' is what scares me.360 is way below PS3 interms of potential.How much more will they support that old generation hardware.

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maxpontiac
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 12:09:35 PM

As long as places like the USA and UK support it the way they do.

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Alienange
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 12:27:33 PM
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I'm getting mixed signals. EA is happy with this gen and points to BF3 while DICE is not content with this gen and points to BF3 ...

I'd say one of those two are definitely wrong.

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BigStack007
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 12:33:00 PM
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Ben Dutka:Didn't i post a week or so ago about no need for a new console almost exactly what Gibeau is quoted as saying?But you sir chose to shoot me down.Kinda.What up with that Ben?Some of us posting in here really do know what we're talking about.SOME..:)No offense intended.Just thought i'd point that out.I appreciate some of your articles.

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Ben Dutka PSXE [Administrator]
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 8:10:50 PM

Uh...I don't remember, but if you said we didn't need a new console right now, I would've definitely agreed. I wouldn't have shot you down at all.

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Eld
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 2:04:25 PM
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Of course big publishers like EA are saying this. They would be saying the same thing 10 years from now because they don't feel like spending 1 cent on figuring out new tech.

Some people are downright uninformed when it comes to tech news.

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WorldEndsWithMe
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 2:34:14 PM
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Anybody else see this for what it is? Yup, just a way to promote Battlefield 3. The game's gonna be good but this is starting to get annoying. It's really good they didn't start with this stuff a year ago.

As far as consoles go, he's right in some respects. I don't think we will see the huge jumps we once did, I think consoles will have longer life cycles, and really the next gen can only be a beefed up version of this gen. I hope the next gen uses 1080p but apparently nobody told this guy that only a couple games use it this gen.

That said, this gen can't last much longer, just a few years at most. The 360 and its DVDs are really holding everybody back. No, there's no more power in that thing.

We have come upon the age where games best played on PC now have the capability of being closer on the PS3 despite converting to 360 hardware better. And still they have to make those "identical experiences" for some reason. Imagine Skyrim or BF3 if they could give PS3 their all.

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NLCanada
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 5:26:40 PM

World, you talk as though the PS3 is light years ahead of the 360 in graphics.

You say Imagine Skyrim or BF3 if they could give PS3 their all.

Just look at the best looking games on the ps3 ( Uncharted, MGS, KZ, and compare them to Gears, Splinter Cell, Alan Wake. Although there maybe differences in terms of graphics, it is very very minimal, nothing huge.

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UbiEaActisuck
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 2:37:38 PM
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I don't think a PS4 is needed for awhile personally and quite honestly I rather have an average looking game with lots of content that plays well as opposed to even more expensive shorter games that are pretty. EA is probably the worst publisher when it comes to graphics and collision detection in games. While they brand there label on graphically impressive titles like Mass Effect 2 or Dead Space 2, the games that made them (NFL, NCAA, NHL, etc.) look like crap and play only slightly better. They need to just spend some of that money making a better game engine for the sports line, while the studios they have acquired keep making them look good with the hard work they do. I know it won't happen, but one can always hope.Could be worse they could be like Ubisoft pumping out shovelware.

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NLCanada
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 5:12:43 PM
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The graphics that you see today in games like Uncharted, Resident Evil, Gears, KZ etc are nearly maxed. I use the word "nearly" loosely because the improvement that can be made wouldn't even be noticeable. This hardware is 6 plus years old, what you see now is the best you're gonna get, at least until the next gen arrives. Which I think will be 2014.

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LimitedVertigo
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 5:58:18 PM
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I don't see anything left in the 360. I haven't seen anything wow me on that system since 08.

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Dancemachine55
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 8:18:21 PM
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PS3 - more RAM
- new 3D graphics card

= PS4


360 - new optical disc drive
- new graphics card
- more RAM
- built-in HDD
- Kinect processing chip (for performance)

= next-gen Xbox

If anything, it's the 360 that REALLY needs the upgrade to next-gen. Had the PS3 had a little more GPU and CPU RAM from the start (or better bridging between the two), there would be no reason AT ALL to upgrade the PS3 to a PS4.

Even Gears of War 3 continues to impress me!! Uncharted 3 is as good looking, if not better looking, than many PC games of this generation!!

Even if a new console was introduced next year (apart from the Wii U, which in my eyes is simply playing catch-up with PS3) I probably wouldn't get one until at least 2014. My PS3 and 360 have given me a lot of love this generation, and with online content and services being really big this year, jumping onto a new online service for a new console might be a big ask for many consumers. (That's if Live and PSN aren't incorporated for backwards compatibility into new consoles, which I'm sure they will)

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Darth Kain
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 11:40:27 PM
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You know I have to wonder how much more they could really improve upon the PS3. Its such a powerful machine already, and hasn't really been pushed to the max by most developers.

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___________
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 5:26:03 AM
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hes got a point though, what could you do with the ps4?
anything that would consider a massive worthwhile gap would not be concieveable on next gen hardware, ray tracing for example, or cloud gaming.
so what would next gen systems give us?
ok you could have better looking games but as insomniac and so many other developers have said, i dont think thats enough.
consumers are not looking for prettier games, there more so looking for totally new things to do.
thats what the next generations going to be about.
its not going to be about how pretty a game is, its more so going to be about new features.

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Highlander
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 2:44:10 PM

Cloud gaming doesn't require any specific leap forward in the home console though, present consoles would be more than powerful enough to handle cloud based gaming because much of the processing is off-loaded to the cloud.

Ray Tracing would be the 1 major advancement that would be worth a new generation of hardware. I don't even think an upgrade to be able to hit 1080p60 consistently is really worth an entire new cycle. I think it needs to be something really new and different from where we are now. Ray tracing definitely has that aspect of being really new and different and a big step forward. Whether or not the hardware can handle it is the question.

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___________
Thursday, September 01, 2011 @ 9:12:29 AM

no freaking way the hardware would be able to handle ray tracing!
my dual 570s heavily OCd and I7 OCd to 3.8GHz and 8GBs of DDR3 1333MHz struggles to run the nvidia garage tech demo!
let alone a fully fledged game.
as for cloud gaming, no we dont need new consoles, but we do need new hardware for that. well at least AU does.
no way were having cloud gaming on freaking copper lines!
ISPs need to relax allot too, even the 500GB+ plans have like 300GBs off peak and 200 during peak.
not to mention most are now counting uploads towards that.
then if you go over either the peak or off peak then your speed gets limited to 8kbps.
then you got the whole problem of server banks, and trying to allocate them worldwide to minimize lag.


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